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The Bionicle GWP: LEGO's Last Laugh
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2023
- LEGO's Bionicle gift with purchase promotion recently ended, and as a LEGO UA-camr that also happens to be somewhat involved in the Bionicle scene, I thought it'd be fun today to talk about The Bionicle GWP: LEGO's Last Laugh
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They should have just made a $100 bionicle set if they wanted Bionicle fans to spend $100.
Lol, I like that idea. Or, introduce a whole line of system Toa. Whatever. Only the best is good enough for system fans.
Non of the 2001 iconic bionicle sets are big enough for that type of build
Heck, might ha buyed one ive it is good.
It's so fascinating how despite being a Lego property, Bionicle has evovled to become it's own self sustaining ecosystem. Even though we say we've wanted more from Lego, Bionicle has the ability to survive without it. I think that's a testament to how pure in interest there is to continoue the legacy and story. Few if any franchises can boast that sort of versatility and timelessness.
Lego: so lemme get this straight you think you are better than these( Lego licensed themes)
Bionicles: I don't think that............ I know it
Yeah... Lego is currently not interested in Bionicle. But the designers tried their best with the parameters given. GWP don't have budget to have a lot of printed or new/remade pieces. So doing it accurately was already impossible from the beginning. I got my Tahu today and I am happy with him. Lego seems to not have interest in Bionicle. And by now I doubt whether a Bionicle without Faber or Farshtey could actually work. Bionicle G2 had good sets, but the marketing and story were lacking. It didn't seem to have a fixed creative vision. A lot of people working on it were not familiar with the source material. The story itself was a repeat of the first five story years compressed into two years, but without any of the mythological aspects that made early Bionicle compelling, nor the Sci-Fi elements that made later Bionicle. Faber worked on G2 in the beginning but left the project. Some of his ideas made it into the final product, but they were so distorted that the intention of these ideas were barely recognizable. It's so strange. Does The Lego Group understand Bionicle?
There are people working for Lego that actually were Bionicle fans, like the people designing this GWP. But the people making business decisions seem not so fond of it. Not that hard to see why. Bionicle's popularity continuously dropped after the conclusion of the movie trilogy in 2005. It's expensive to produce and is not really that self-explanatory as other Lego products. Lego is a business and business right now means licenses, few original themes and focus on the Lego brick as part of the company's identity.
G2 sets were pretty good, even the worst sets were no where near the worst G1 sets.
Speaking of licenses. Would it be impossible for legoto license bionicle to another company to make toys?
"Bionicle's popularity continuously dropped after the conclusion of the movie trilogy in 2005"? Really? I thought that 2006 and 2007 were super successful years.
@@doktawhawee9870 So i looked into it a couple of times since then. 2002 was Bionicle's most successful year, 2003 Bionicle saved Lego despite a 20% drop in sales, simply because it was the only theme that year that was still making money. According to Wikipedia it stayed Lego's most successful theme every year until 2006.
In 2004 the Lego Group reformated itself and started to focus more on the Lego brick and less on other projects, like for example the Bionicle movies.
After that it gets more speculative. We know from Greg Farshtey that the decision to cancel Bionicle was made in 2008. We also know that before that the story team tried to make 2009 a hard reboot, until Greg Farshtey vetoed that idea. That must have been around 2007. So, why did that question to do a new story come up around 2007? Maybe because the Bioniclestory website and convoluted online serials popped up around that time, or maybe because the sales declined?
I recently saw a comment under Nick from Planet Ripple's video (the comment is about a month old by now), where the commenter claimed to have seen internal documents which he or she supposedly got for a research paper (source of course questionable and not really credible because of that). The commenter claims that Bionicle G1 always had been successful and the sales of Lego action figures only dropped significantly once the CCBS building system was introduced in the second year of Hero Factory.
I feel like the bionicle fans that saw this incredibly well thought out set as a slap in the face are extremely close-minded. Lego cannot sell bionicle as a retail set because the last time they did that, "real" bionicle fans dumped on the product. They don't have the data to support the idea that bionicle can sell on it's own. Should they have locked it behind such a high price? Yes actually because of the way the gwp system works. It's shocking to me how people that were such super fans of bionicle in 2001, and are now fully grown adults, can act so childish even when presented with something that is purely meant to celebrate bionicle. This set was so jam packed with details and references to Bionicle not just as a toy, but as a fantastical world, I truly don't see how you missed that this set was made by bionicle fans, for bionicle fans.
No that was legos fault
They didn't market g2 enough and then it failed
@@Mistawaffle while that is true, it also didn’t help that so many diehard bionicle fans that lego was hoping to target did not support g2
@@yacinealimi7808 they thought the g1 pieces where better and didn't buy them
@@Mistawaffle yeah how is that lego’s fault? Lego can’t just remake the g1 pieces because those molds were very limiting
@@yacinealimi7808 i know that
I DID buy every g2 set btw
Yeah either Lego really hates the fact that Bionicle carried them outta bankruptcy throughout the early 00's (while their core product lines were failing them), or they're woefully clueless of the brand's popularity oof
I honestly think both.
The former tbh.
In a documentary, they literally said they dont like bionicle, cause it's not part of their "system".
My honest opinion? They don't want to go through the effort of bringing back the Constraction system. I don't think it's either malice or stupidity, just a lack of willingness to bring back a system that basically died with its flagship theme. If they brought back Bionicle in its Constraction system form, they would solely be bringing back Constraction _for_ Bionicle, they wouldn't really be able to do anything else with it. The other three independent Constraction themes, Slizers/Throwbots, Robo Riders and Hero Factory, all failed or at best only managed to break even, and the tie-in sets for Chima and Star Wars were complete flops. Bringing it back would require all new tooling, I highly doubt they would have kept molds they had no intention of using again.
@@joegomez5463What's the name of the documentary?
“Planned 20-year tenure.”
Since when? It was extended from 3.
He got that from Wikipedia, so the 20 year thing was probably a lie.
the constant white text over black background fades is so distracting
it's pretty hard to watch
I can see where you are going with this. But idk, me personally I like it. And don’t get mad when I say this but…
I feel people like you were talked down so much as a kid. With adults telling you and other bionicle fans that it wasn’t “real Lego” because it wasn’t system. Now their adults insisting that System isn’t real bionicle.
Funny how poetic that sounds huh?
Thanks for the nickonplanetripple quote
You bring up a lot good points in this video that I never really thought about for the Bionicle gift with purchase set and on another point, this is a phenomenal video man. :)
I think there's two sides to his opinion his is definitely not definitive but I do agree on Legos motivations being done out of greed but I feel like this is the best they can do. We have to admit is Bionicle Fans are plentiful but not as plentiful as say... Star wars and Marvel
Reminds me of gamesworkshop
If this how Lego treat their own savior, im not surprised how Lego treat their own customers...
So true! Thanks for the support, UnitedEarthEmpire
It's a common theme amongst modern corporations.
@@mattd5240 Yup. Abandoning passion for profit and mistreating consumers. No wonder why most of us can see how capitalism is on its way out.
No
Lego can't just bring back old pieces that have been melted or destroyed allready especialy for gwp sets
Similar situation: for the longest time, hasbro handled beast wars not that much better, even though beast saved transformers, their most popular brand, the relationship between fans of best wars and fans of the rest of transformers can be very similar to the relationship between system fans and construction fans
if you thought they would make new molds just for 1 bionicle set you're on mad copium
When I was a kid I had no idea that Lego and bionicle were not just by the same company but actually compatible 🤣😂 I'm still a Lego system fan but I can never get excited over any technic sets. It's just never felt as good as Bionicle
That’s crazy to hear! Did you play with both as a kid and simply never knew they were made by the same brand? This comment truly reveals how out of the box Bionicle was when compared to system LEGO.
It was pretty sad that they just brought it back as a garbage with purchase. For a theme that is all about the masks the face print tile was a shame.
Glad we agree, Stud Sidious. Thanks for the support!
Look lego gwp sets have almost no budget for prints let alone New pieces or a retired pieces getting PU back into production *for one set* is kinda insane
I don't think the first year of G2's run was particularly lazy, but man did it take a nosedive in the second.
The text you use is way too flashy. Get a better animation for the transitions.
The Tahu GWP is a slap in the face for og fans. Would have bought one if it were in bigblock stores or even a Lego store
Absolutely, and that's my problem with it. The Bionicle GWP is nothing more than a lazy cash grab.
I like the set, especially the Takua since it calls back to MNOG.
Would be cool if they just remade the original sets or popular sets with new molds.
New molds are actualy not allowed for gwp sets
They should respect bionicle more it literally saved the company from bankruptcy
Absolutely. They don't need to bring back the theme but there's no reason to treat it as a cash grab when it's so much more than that.
CEO are nothing but money
Tbh and don’t be surprised when I say. But did you know new molds aren’t allowed in GWP’s most don’t even have new prints
And this got TWO!!!
Here’s the deal with this one. For a multitude of reasons, I don’t think bionicle would work in the current toy market climate as far as young buyers. The only way it would make money is from old fans, who want it for nostalgia purposes. This would never be a line. It could only have ever been some kind of one off set. The reality is it would not be profitable for Lego to have machines built to make constraction pieces because Lego has already retired them and probably scrapped the machines to mold them. Usually as that may have a couple new uniquely molded pieces, but this would literally be an entire set of new unique molds. That would only get used once. I do not agree with Legos choice to make it a gift with purchase, but other than that this is probably the best they can do that makes sense for them.
Bionicle would most likely thrive as a franchise if it wasnt just a Lego IP. Lego is notorious at putting their own themes down under, not properly utilizing their full potential. Just imagine, a line of Bionicle model kits done by Bandai, or detailed collector models, or a comicbook series done by IDW, DC, Marvel, or any manga creator, or animated series, etc. The sky is the limit with this IP, and yet Lego is squandering it. I wish it was in public domain by now, fans have shown to care more about the IP than Lego at this point, may as well allow them to get payed for their efforts as well instead of constantly tip toeing over copyright legality issues with Lego.
@@Bionickpunk I second this, cross licensing should be a thing for Bionicle and they should've done that earlier.
Bionicle vould work I think even in the modern toy market. However after watching this video I think I'm confident in that I don't want LEGO to touch the franchise again. They don't care enough to invest in it even if it was a system line. This is the entire reason Bionicle under LEGO won't work again, LEGO won't properly fund the marketing to make people/kids want constraction. I don't think the gwp being system is as big a problem as the video makes it out to be, what riles me up more is definately how coordinated and malicious the likely intent of the gwp was. So no I do not want a company that does this to its fans to handle Bionicle
You say "Bionicle could work in the modern toy market", yet Lego stopped making Bionicle because older fans stopped buying them, and new kids weren't buying them. Bionicle was originally supposed to last one-ONE year, but was extended due to sales being extremely high.
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Well, now that I think about it, there was also other Lego themes and some guilty pleasures I enjoyed watching videos and had sets of growing up besides Bionicle, like...
1. Exo-Force
2. Power Miners
3. Knights Kingdom
4. Hero Factory
5. Nexo Knights
and
6. Chima
I would add Ninjago,City,Marvel,DC, and Star Wars but due to complications I sorta outgrown those themes sadly even tho' as a Constraction ethusiast, the Ultrabuilds/Buildable Figures were my favorite guilty pleasures of LEGO Marvel,DC, and Star Wars since imo some of the Buildable Figures' parts would make nice parts or weapons for my Bionicle MOCs when I make them in the future, thanks to the help of eBay lol.
Bionicle will never be te same just like the good old times.
And it looks horrible? Right? I can't be the only one who sees that? I literally didn't believe it's a real set when I saw the first image.
Same. And then all the bionicle simps gave into it because they know there GF lego wont give them what they want....only teases and high prices lol.
Grift With Purchase.
Absolutely. Thanks for watching, Pickchore.
And that's why I regrettably bought some expensive old sets for the same amount I'd have to spend for that joke of a "gift". Wish I held onto my old pieces but you know about growing up.
Lego can't just bring back the entire lego bionicle theme pieces like snapping a 2008 bionicle socket
If they'd released the original 6 sets, I'd probably buy all of them at once. Spend 100 to get this garbage, no thank you.
Some people are saying that the reason we don't have a proper Bionicle anniversary set is due to Lego destroying most of their Bionicle technic moulds
yeah it would be like pennies to them to remake all of it....
@@maszkalman3676yeah, but would it be to us?
@@spenceralvarez7548 Probably still would be cheaper than some mint condition 20 year old bionicles which i try to collect them all at the moment and i tell you the prices are nuts...
If they released a set that was just a bunch of lime-green socket replacements with higher quality plastic than back in the day it'd sell like hotcakes.
@@maszkalman3676 And that's if you can even find them in mint condition. I've been searching on and off for 4+ years for my first ever Bionicle - Piruk - in mint condition, and I just can't find one new unopened.
I hear all your comments and in a business sense you are right but A legend is not based on what you can buy. This 23 model is a tribute and a test and the look comes close to the flashgame look of MNOG. Lets build the future legend from that. The legend will be like (never) before🤩👏❤️🔥✏️🗿🦾🚀
First off, thank you for watching Mr. Faber, and for taking the time to comment. It means a lot.
While we can agree to disagree, I do appreciate and admire your optimism. This isn't the 2000s, or mid 2010s anymore. We're in a whole new decade, and while it may not be perfect, LEGO has, in a way, brought back Bionicle for fans new and old to enjoy.
"G2 which was the laziest..." outside of set design (and maybe the books, haven't gottne to them yet) I agree. But the set designs are pretty solid, imo.
I'm mixed on the system set. I think the design is neat, considering there are a lot of parts that they couldn't remake...but the gwp method was really weird. It seemed to be motivated to try to get Bionicle fans into those other themes...but it just feels like a miss. nd I can't help but wonder if it would've sold more by being a standalone set on shelves or online. As for the design itself...I'm still trying to figure out when I can get one aftermarket, budget-wise. (Note, I cannot even find the instructions in the Lego Builder app...though they are on the website.)
Ha! Immediately after typing that, you said the exact same point XD
Finally a reasonable fan who actually understand why this isn't bionicle anymore...
Thank you for the support, Masz! Hope you enjoyed the v id
@@OurToyWorld I did.... i hope you will make more videos on bionicle topic or technic in general...
@@maszkalman3676 I will definitely revisit the topic at some point, though I can’t promise when.
In the meantime though, please check out my “Why Does Bionicle have a Cult Fanbase?” And “Did LEGO Backstab Bionicle fans?” Videos
@@OurToyWorld i will also there is a yes answer to the: did lego backstab the fans well of course they did...
It still is bionicle
G2 was great
And the gwp set was amaizing
Literally TAHU is legos god and they treat him like trash. Tahu deserves the best remake not some stupid shell of himself. This will somehow backfire on lego on day.
You do know why Lego discontinued Bionicle right? I'll tell you, its because Bionicle WASN'T selling well. Hell, it wasnt selling well during G2, so why would they want to make sets of things that won't sell. Crawl back up your mothers womb, and don't come back out until you grow up.
Honestly imo the gwp set is better than the original line it’s based on. It’s better built and has much more pose ability. The main reason why Lego won’t bring Bionicle back a second time is because of the failed reboot. Lego ended the theme in 2010 the first time when it was still moderately successful and profitable, specifically for other retailers. Which made it easier to convince them of the reboot. However because the reboot was such a financial loss, trying to convince retailers to sell Bionicle a third time would probably be next to impossible. The brand has been tarnished in the eyes of those businesses
Hahahahhaha no....
Hahahahahahaah yes...
I have no idea what they were thinking
I do
Trying to appeal to bionicle fans but with bricks because gwp sets can't have new molds
I brought all of the g2 sets. Its not the same i want to get set from the old days
In 2001 system fans were saying that bionicle is not lego because it doesn't have brick built models
And now you guys are saying the same thing for system
Lego is most likely not interested in bringing Bionicle back (too much fan baggage and expectations), but constraction lives in a new form of the Marvel brick built figures, along with Ninjago titan and sccbs mechs.
I mean it’s a year later, and if Lego doesn’t make an entire line of new bionicle sets by a certain time in 2025 they’ll lose the trademark on it
I guess they don’t mind
it isnt legos fault that they couldnt use millions on bringing back the old mold. they still made something for the bionicle community that means they care
That's fair, but if they really cared it wouldn't be a GWP, a sales driver. This could've and should've been on store shelves instead.
Great video! Feels good to be validated as a bonk fan, but there are some thoughts that come to mind:
1. The system build is definitely more of a necessity, since it seems like ALL technic-based constraction pieces, as well as CCBS were retired. I would have loved to see Tahu and Takua in the signature pieces, molds are likely destroyed by now
2. GWP thing really is infuriating. Bricklink and sticker printing are definitely a thing, but it does leave a bad aftertaste after seeing Castle and Space fans being so spoiled.
Happy for the Space and Pirates fans as a fellow dweller of The Shelved IP Basement though, they needed a W
a great video
Thanks for the support, Merser!
It would have cost a lot for them to bring back all the molds they would have needed for a proper Bionicle set, let alone a GWP.
Some good things about what we got…
Two new prints where made specifically for the gwp and not stickers. Which is very very rare.
And had some of the original graphic designers work on the box art. :)
Been waiting for this one.
It's been six years since I've been wondering why LEGO completely blows off fans of technical buildable figures. I'm not just talking about BIONICLE. LEGO killed the entire building system. Since the withdrawal from the idea of releasing buildable Star Wars figures, not only have we not gotten any BIONICLE or HF-style figures, but we no longer get any parts that we need to build our own MOCs. No armour, no heads, no masks, no limbs... Only the Ninjago mech weapons and technic panels, which, combined with the last remaining ball joint bricks, keep the prices of our most important bricks on Bricklink relatively stable. And here comes my question: if LEGO is so stubbornly unwilling to bring back either BIONICLE or any of its related series, why don't they at least release something in the style of LEGO Classic, but with CCBS-like elements that would allow us - fans of this specific LEGO building system - continue to create the things that drew us to start buying bricks?
awesome job man
Thank you MotM!
Last laugh ha!
In the end it looks like Bionicle will be having the final last laugh, lol
This was a Painful cash grab, but you did a great breakdown of this set 👏
Absolutely! Thanks for the support, SD!
Banger video, bro. It's a damn shame the way Lego treated Bionicle fans.
Blame the CEO who incharged
well this is going to be interesting
good thing that i'm early
I honestly wouldn't even consider this "bringing back" Bionicle, even less than the other GWPs. All it is is a tribute set, nothing more. It's not even using the same system that the original theme used - at least the Forest Hideout and Blacktron Cruiser were System sets to begin with, Bionicle was a technic/constraction theme.
First of all those molds for the pieces of the g1 sets are Long gone
@@Mistawaffle
That would be an issue for a lot of smaller companies, but LEGO has gone out of their way to create new molds for one-off sets in the past.
@@VestedUTuber yes but that was in the 1999
And the tahu gwp is a limited release
@@Mistawaffle
They've done it since then and for limited releases as well. In fact, they did it with this one - GWP Tahu's sword is unique to this set.
@@VestedUTuber gwp tahus sword is Just 3 pieces
Great Video! Ya, Lego could have done better than this Bionicle Mixel GWP
The Brick out room did a Bionicle themed video, a bit based on the fall of Brionicle and a bit of the history. @Ourtoyworld did you already do a historical video on Bionicle ? Because - I’ve been a LEGO fan all my life and have seen Bionicle In stores and never paid attention to that line or it’s cartoons.
Can you or anyone please explain how Bionicle became so popular, yet I never really seen or heard of it being so relevant to Lego over the years.
A lot of this just sounds ungrateful and misunderstanding of Lego's intent. It takes millions of dollars to recreate molds that they destroyed years ago because they no longer served a purpose, and you want Lego to bring them back for one celebratory set *as a bare-minimum requirement??* I'm really sorry that the past few homages have only ever been brick-based, but I promise you they were done to not break the bank - not because they don't care.
I understand that the brick-based puritans used to bully Bionicle, and I'm lucky to have not been exposed to that scrutiny during my time with it - but please be mindful of how you perceive the world, and make sure you don't end up internalizing your grievances & lashing to people who probably don't deserve it. Corporations aren't your friend, but neither are they all man-eating sharks that you always need to be wary of. Not every business decision Lego makes is done to make fun of you or pretend you don't exist. I'd go as far as to say none of what they do is done to be lazy or make fun of you! They probably made the brick-based Tahu a GWP because they knew they would fly off public shelves and *stay* off shelves indefinitely. At least this way, they can control the supply & demand better.
Based on how strong things are going, I'd say Bionicle is better off without Lego, anyway. It's a miracle that this brand still has a life force beyond the toy shelf, which tells me that it doesn't need toys to validate its existence, anymore. What little official tribute they do get is just nice little icing to a legend that served its purpose.
I dunno. Maybe I truly don't understand the frustration. But that's maybe because I did something you may consider heresy...
*I moved on.*
THANK YOU FOR TYPING OUT MY OPINION
Like this Man that made this video is kinda crazy
Preachin' to the choir there pal.
It's very probable indeed that Bionicle didn't come back in a constraction form because LEGO scrapped constraction systems entirely following the simultaneous failures of G2, the second wave of Chima ultrabuild sets, and the Star Wars ultrabuild sets. All of these failures were on LEGO themselves, and not constraction as a whole; but ultimately, the simple fact alone that constraction literally no longer exists in a current form means describing a system Bionicle set as "blasphemy" comes off as not only single-minded and mulish, but frankly _entitled._
With that one point alone, I could tell why this video had a disproportionately high dislike:like ratio.
Constraction is not dead
It's still alive
@@mrnubwafle Constraction-specific systems are. As of right now at least, system and technic are all there is.
@@purplehaze2358 but still it lives with the marvel and DC sets
@@mrnubwafle The video itself implied that system was "heretical" to constraction.
@@purplehaze2358 whitch is not true
Another great video. While the set they released was alright, it's just disappointing to see how lego treats Bionicle.
Thanks for the support Tree! You're absolutely right.
Power rangers ripped off voltron and bionicle ripped off power rangers
Didn't power Rangers Ripoff super sentai?!?!?!?
Art comes from inspiration, and it funny that you say Bionicle is a ripoff of power rangers YET the only thing that is remotely close is just the multi colored heros.
Bad take honestly
Hey, to each their own, right? Regardless, thanks for watching :)
Bionicle is THE WORST Lego theme of all time. Period. It (as well as some other themes) single handedly almost bankrupted the number 1 toy company in the world. And on top of all of that, the builds are awful at best using a completely new system which didn't work at all with system. Pirates was the rightful winner of the 90th anniversary set.
You do know that Bionicle was the most profitable Lego theme between 2001 and 2005, right? Alongside Star Wars and Harry Potter it was one of the few themes that actually sold well. If Lego hadn't randomly brought up Bionicle in the early 2000s the company would probably not have made it, as the other themes just mentioned were products where Lego had to pay more money for the licenses than they eventually profited from the sells.
The rightful winner of the 90 years vote (before castle took over) was iIrc space. Pirates already had the Barracuda bay, which is still within a reasonable price range compared to original pricing.
@@Makutros Pirates of Barracuda Bay wasn’t a 90th anniversary set, also bionicle introduced way to many new pieces which is the reason lego almost went bankrupt.
@@AydenTheCarrot No, Barracuda Bay was not an anniversary set. But it was pretty much the same in concept. A big adult collector's set representing the theme. Now Space, Castle and Pirates all have one such set. Pirates and Castle also currently come in Lego creator sets. It is not as though Lego is punishing Pirates fans right now, despite losing the vote. The only difference is that they got their big collectors set a couple years earlier, what probably could also have been a reason why adult collectors voted for other themes despite liking Pirates.
If Bionicle was that bad for Lego's business it wouldn't have continued for 9 years (longer than any other original fantasy theme until Ninjago came along) be replaced by a successor theme and then come back 5 years later.
@@Makutros True, they all do have a large set for each respective theme, but the creator sets don’t do Castle and Pirates justice. Lego creator is taking over Lego’s original ideas and only giving us ships and castles. That is not all we want from a pirates and castle wave, we want other things too. Also, the original pirates run lasted 8 years, plus the 2009 reboot that lasted 2 years and the 2015 one that lasted 1 year, so pirates in total lasted 12, 3 years longer than Bionicle.
@@AydenTheCarrot Took me a while to get what you meant with the second point. I didn't consider Pirates to be a original fantasy theme. I was talking more about the themes with original story, like Knights Kingdom, Chima, Mixels, Exorforce, Atlantis, Nexo Knights, Hero Factory and so on. For me Pirates files under classic theme. The only point I was trying to make is that Bionicle was profitable, at the very least at the time when Lego was truly in financial danger. Though Lego had expected that Galidor would the big success and not Bionicle. And probably lost a lot of money because of that.