If you missed it, we reviewed the AMD R5 5600G APU here: ua-cam.com/video/KycNI1FxIPc/v-deo.html You can see our previous IGP testing with Intel’s UHD 750 & 630 here: ua-cam.com/video/2H1B7ibjJZg/v-deo.html We also previously discussed the specs on the whole Ryzen 5000 APU line here: ua-cam.com/video/6gok9J_kbA8/v-deo.html Mourn the GPU shortage in style with our new PC Shortage T-shirt: store.gamersnexus.net/products/pc-shortage-tshirt-tri-blend-black Buy GN's Red & Black Mouse Pad: store.gamersnexus.net/products/gn-charge-redblack-mousepad Blue & Black Mouse Pad: store.gamersnexus.net/products/gn-component-blueblack-mousepad Wireframe Desk-Sized Mouse Mat: store.gamersnexus.net/products/gn-wireframe-mouse-mat
Had the 5600X and now the 5700G in a fanless build. In terms of frugality, it's night and day. The 'Vermeer' 5600X is built for performance and has high idle consumption due to its chiplet design and PCIe 4.0, while the 'Cezanne' 5700G is a monolithic chip with PCIe 3.0 that doesn't waste a single watt and sips rather than swallows. The impressive thing is, the 5700G doesn't feel one bit slower. I can highly recommend it for fanless or power constrained builds 👍
i got it in my extreme build with 1080ti/980ti in cuz also for videorendering, had to trade my 3800X with this with a friend cuz his 5700G wouldnd work on his board and yeah, so i got that one instead and yeha, ppl overwhelm a lot, 5700G is dope AF :DD ccant even feel anythiing that would be slow on this one :) kk bit slower in gaming but slashes in multicore, with at least I need so yeah, decent CPU :))
exactly... downgraded from a 5800x to 5700g on my main home office / gaming PC. 8-12h/day this PC has only minimal workload. Some programming, microsoft teams, etc... like before, i disabled all boosts and unclocked / undervolted it. i.e. 4.1 GHz @ 1.16V, (prime95 AVX stable), which still results in 13.5k cinebench r23 multi score, but only consumes 70 watts in doin so. Furthermore. When doing light workload this CPU consumes 9-15 watts. Thats less than half of the 5800x fully idle. amazing! Furthermore i can connect my 2 monitors to the mainboard now, so my 1080 TI stays fully idle at 13watts while working. If using the 1080TI for display out, some stuff like microsoft teams likes to send the 1080TI in the higher poer state so it consumes 60-70 watts. This way my setup including 2 monitors only uses 90-110 watts while working, in contrast to the 130-190 watts with the 5800x. Then, if gmaing (3h/week maybe) the hybrid grafics function works flawless and my games run on the 1080 TI despite the monitors connected to the mainboard. wonderful. all in all i am super happy with the "downgrade". especially as i could sell the 5800x for only 20€ less than i bought it used 6 months ago (170€). and now i boughtthe 5700G used for 140€
As a user of an R5 3400G I much prefer display scaling to GPU scaling, a clear picture without input lag is obtained, but setting it up requires some research. 720p display scaled to 1440p looks especially good.
"If you had a sufficient supply of potatoes, you could probably build a computer that could run F1 2020" What do you think would be the minimum specification there?
ETA Prime has a few 5700G videos with a couple RAM configurations and a lot of games tested. I'd recommend those. As for myself, I've run it with Corsair 3600MHz that I could only clock up to 3800MHz, and with Patriot 4400MHz that wouldn't run at that speed for me. (But it worked at the 3800MHz settings recommended by the Ryzen DRAM Calculator.) With a modest overclock to the iGPU (2300MHz at 1.19v), I was able to score 20,900 in Night Raid (and 23.9% in Userbenchmark). Unfortunately Gigabyte hasn't updated the BIOSs yet for this chip, so they don't allow increasing the iGPU framebuffer beyond the stock 512MB of dedicated RAM. With older chips, like the 3400G, it's nice to be able to dedicate 3 or 4GB to the iGPU.
Also had high hopes for Steve to test OC iGPU with 2x8GB 4400Mhz Patriot Vipers DDR which are still in the price/performance sweetspot for these APUs. Inf. fabric can also reach much higher freq. since it it monolithic design (perhaps 4400Mhz in synchronous mode). But just slight OC of iGPU and using 4400Mhz would bring GPU perf. to another level. Because of situation on dGPU market I think that this kind of stop-gap solution is exactly what people are looking for. So slightly different approach suppose to be taken to test such product. This is not budget APU like 4C/8Ts 3200G/3400G were. This is much more expensive mid-range product, so people can throw few bucks for 4400Mhz RAM to have maximum GPU performance out of this before they buy actual dGPU. Unfortunatelly such option wasn't covered by using only 3200Mhz DDRs
@@rozzbourn3653 slight better gpu performance for a worse cpu? No, he should stick with his part for a good cpu and get a dedicated part when the time comes
I honestly like integrated graphics mostly for trouble shooting and ease of use when swapping systems. Its just so nice to be able to work on a system without worrying about a graphics card.
The onboard graphics on my 7900x didn't work so that didn't help me when I was setting up my PC. But it does work well for video encoding, when it works.
@@addictedtoRS I am not a "apu" or "gpu" user - I want a cheap multi-thread CPU. And I got my 4750G for next to nothing on ebay. if the 5700G nails my cpu in CPU-intensive apps I will buy it. I do not play games.
Not much I expect, in past Vega cores didn't and 5000 series doesn't leave much on the table, perhaps under-volting can deliver faster clocks at the same power. The memory though ought to offer more gains
@@RobBCactive Overclocking the CPU is pointless, but overclocking RAM and GPU makes a big difference to IGPU performance. (at least it does on the 4750G, should be the same for the 5000Gs)
@@franklehmann3785 We don't know for sure about overclocking the CPU. The G SKUs are different from the X SKUs in several ways, maybe overclocking is one of them.
I like it. If it were available today i'd recommend it to my friend that wants to build a gaming PC but refuses to pay more than MSRP (i agree with this principle). Being able to play many older PC games(2013 or older) at 1080p60fps (perhaps even 1440p) at medium settings while waiting for GPU prices to go down to msrp or below and also having 8 cores seems like a decent deal.
Completely out of topic, but I just love how GN directly and humbly interacts with their fans/commentators in YT video comments. That is just amazing, especially considering the size of this channel. Hats off!
I love this as it proves what I thought, and yes a 5700g could never touch the 5800x. The fun part is you get roughly 15% less performance for 25% less price. If you want AMD and 8 cores this is a banger for your dollars. Plus if anything goes wrong and you need to troubleshoot even with a dgpu having the igpu is very helpful.
These processor do not have integrated graphics, you will need a separate graphics card. Comparing their value against an APU which comes with integrated graphics comparable to a 1060 is moot. Add a 1060 to the cart and try again...
@@iterminator309 i meant it just as a processing unit, but yeah if you add the gpu prices and market nowadays then the "g" series is by far the better one when it goes to value, i actually have a r5 5600g myself for my system and when gpu prices goes down am gonna snatch one
Actually more like 20-25% loss in gaming performance specifically, which makes the entire purchase for most people an inefficient waste, so I tend to agree to Steve on this. Not recommended. The 5600x is much better investment for gaming in at this particular time. I'm amazed AMD is getting away with selling these 5700G's without fully disclosing the massive performance loss in comparison to the 5800X, which supposedly runs off the same core design and architecture. AMD lost my business when they sold reference Radeon VII's with 1 year warranties, well knowing ahead of time the cores would run into memory controller failures (i.e. core failures / error code 43).
They tend to hold their value pretty well. I bought a 3400g while waiting for availability for the processor and GPU I wanted. When I swapped it out I sold it on ebay for exactly what I paid for it. So even if it's a placeholder for a very short period of time, it might be worth it. You might lose a couple bucks, but at least you'll be able to put your rig together and use it.
Depending on the price this could be a solid alternative to the 5600X. You get the upgrade to 8 cores, paying less than the 5800X and have an IGP as a freebie in case you ever need it for troubleshooting or bridging a dead GPU. Would be interesting to see how far you can push the APUs in terms of overclocking compared to their R5/R7 counterpart.
5600G @ $269 vs $299, is better value. The 5600X may fall further in price, but the $70 for extra under-utilised cores gimped by ½ the cache just isn't value.
You can buy a 5800X for $400(edit: ON AMAZON, who gives a fuck about your microcenter deals), this CPU seems like poor value unless you absolutely need an 8 core CPU with integrated graphics better than what Intel offers.
@@gatocochino5594 As I said it depends on the price and on how far you can get with OC on the 5700G. You probably wouldn't spend the 100-120$ to go from 6 to 8 cores but for 50 bucks? I think quite a few people may be tempted. You could almost see the 5700G as a missing 5700. Also this is MSRP, we don't know where it will end up.
@@GamersNexus Oh, I won't dream of you guys putting the memory OC stuff in one video! Just take your time and have fun with it! The engineering samples of these things can already do 2300mhz FCLK easily, and Id reckon these retail samples can do even better!
@@GamersNexus I think keeping that separate to put proper focus on the OC is better. Me and I'm sure others are interested in plug and play numbers so it's nice to keep that separate. Just my opinion
Im the IT dept. im upgrading our whole office with Ryzens, 1 workstation at a time. HP has a z2 mini class that has ryzebs, but only at 4000 series., laptops tho is a different story.
@@xavdeman our IT department does the same. They blame it on budget and availability. And when it comes to AMD, upper management has basically said the old quote, "no one has ever been fired for buying Intel" :(
Having integrated graphics and a discrete GPU is actually very useful for anyone that uses virtualization, and wants to have a GPU accelerated virtual machine. Otherwise you need to have two discrete GPUs installed in your system, which is a bit ridiculous.
Planning to buy 5700G purely for running CISCO VM images which are CPU intensive and require more core count. Good choice? Planning to drop in 3060 down the track.
I just bought a 5700g for C$ 270. Paired with a B550 Tomahawk it has a 460% improvement in file compression speed compared to my 4790k. Color me very pleased!
@@BravoSixGoingDark You'll have to look at more charts and take some educated guesses. I used to be an Intel fanboy until I saw a vid by AdoredTV on what Intel did to AMD. Now I won't buy an Intel chip if it cost 10 cents and cured cancer. ua-cam.com/video/osSMJRyxG0k/v-deo.html&
Hey Steve! Can you look into DLSS 2.2's .dll file from Rainbow 6 Siege being used in other DLSS 2+ games (Cyberpunk, Control, Metro Exodus)? The nvidia subreddit locked the thread down because it was "unsubstantiated" info. I loaded it up into Cyberpunk at 4k and I'm getting a pretty big performance boost RTX On (Shadows, Reflections, Lighting Ultra) with my mostly high custom settings from before. I was having to keep RTX lighting off to get 60+ frames. I'd like to know I'm not popping placebos over here lol. Also it seems like balanced and performance mode are much crisper now.
this is the chip my prebuilt came with, paired with a 3060, I've upgraded to an rtx3080 and went from a prime b550m-k asus board to an msi b550 gaming plus the ryzen 7 5700g is basically the only part I kept from the pre-built rog strix and I've always thought it is a very capable chip, I've only ever used other people's pc's before and this setup of G-APU along with the RTX3080, 32gb ram is by far the fastest computer I've ever used, I KNOW there are MUCH better setups but me personally best PC I've ever used
I got a 5700G instead of a 5800x because it was almost 2/3rd the price at the time ($240 vs around $380) and with the savings you can put that money towards more ram, an extra NVME, or higher tier video card. Yes it has about 10% less performance, but it runs much cooler and can boost all cores almost 100% of the time with a 240mm AIO cooler. Boost can be overclocked to 4.8Ghz and even though it's using pcie 3.0 (with a 3060 ti, 2 1tb nvmes in raid 0, 32Gb Ram, using an Asus B550 motherboard) you can't even tell it's not using pcie4. Everything runs great and at full speed. You have a back video card if you ever need it. All things considered it's good enough for almost any game or application that's going to be developed for the average consumer for quite sometime. It's also faster than most Intels previous generations which would cost way more. Plus when you're done with it or looking for a cheaper chip, it has enough power to be a stand alone server with decent processing power, a great mame build, or both at the same time.
@@UniverseGd actually, early DDR5 won´t make much difference from current high-performance DDR4. Just as DDR4 wasn´t any better than DDR3 at its start.
Glad this is getting some coverage since it's a beast of a chip, especially if you overclock it and give it some fast RAM. I felt the GPU comparisons didn't paint it in the best light. You'd never run modern AAA games at max quality settings with this, and you'd be doing it an injustice pairing it with only 3200MHz memory. Running it with memory at 3800MHz and a modest iGPU overclock, it performs really well, and can beat a bunch of common discrete GPUs (1030, 750Ti, RX560), and even the new Intel DG1. Compared to the current cost of those, and considering there are $700 "gaming PCs" that have GT 710s in them, it certainly makes the 5700G seem attractive. It also gives me a lot of hope for the next gen platform with RDNA cores and DDR5 memory.
Thanks for the review, always really enjoy the APU content. Would be keen to see some memory scaling tests, overclocking and tuning APUs is some of the most fun you can have with your clothes off. Some comparisons to older APUs like the 2400G/3200G would also be fantastic, I'm sure there's some previous gen owners out there that might want to do a BIOS update and drop one of these in.
Hi Steve, One thing I would really like in the future is multitasking studied. I'll be honest, I most often watch your videos and youtube while also gaming, in my setup two 1440p displays. When i upgraded from a 4770K to a 3700X, I noticed a real problem with the lack of an IGP in some games. What I've found is that there is a framerate / frame pacing hit to the gaming screen when the GPU is stressed since it's also trying to do GPU accelerated tasks such as video rendering on the other screen. Turning off GPU acceleration in Chrome creates a different problem, which now stresses the CPU to maintain Chrome video while trying to game, and renders some things nigh but impossible that are relying on GPU acceleration and do not function well (if at all) with only CPU. Honestly. I would love to see some multi-tasking benchmarks, ex... running a game and say a GPU accelerated task such as watching videos on youtube in Chrome, comparing like for like across games and hardware configurations. Basically pitting the mainstream ryzen parts (w/o igp;s) and intel KF sku's vs APU's and Intel's processors with IGP's to understand what really is the performance loss, and for people in my situation, what would be the best purchase in the future?
Great video Steve! I wanted to say, I've been watching your content for quite awhile now, and you have some of the most in-depth PC review video's I have ever seen. I think you and your team do an amazing job at this, and I'm so glad I found your channel! I've watched all of your 'old' moving vlog video's to your office you're in right now and I loved those. And I am SO looking forward to your new vlog video's for your new office. The new office looks amazing, and 3 times the size; I also can't wait to see future video's about your new fan testing machine too!
As someone who used a 2200G as my main pc for a year, APU gaming sweetspot is 900P + GPU scaling so the game is scaled to native monitor resolution. 720P only if the game cant run on 900p.
These are perfect for general,low maintenance “family & friends” builds-gives em nice modern machines that can still do light-medium gaming.People can be building new,full machines again.
I really enjoyed watching this video! I feel like its been a while since ive watched a video like this. I always like seeing new and old hardware comparisons.
First, great video as always and thanks for all of the data - it's incredibly thorough. Regarding your closing remarks, I'm not sure I necessarily agree that having an APU in combination with a dgpu is bad value. It's always good to have a backup gpu (would be the apu) in case a discrete graphics card fails imo.
The 5700G is actually very interesting for me. I'm looking for a cpu with intergrated graphics for troubleshooting purposes. If my gpu dies, or I have to pass it to a friend, I can still used my pc as a media machine and light gaming.
Honestly with the the current ridiculous gpu pricing situation the the 5700g is for me a good pickup especially to help ride out the craziness that I'm seeing now until you can get close to MSRP pricing. Then you could always swap it out for a 57-5900x and gpu combo and use it for a sff build for the kiddies.
I really hope the RDNA apus are released at a good time in the market because if you think these apus are great, the rumored rdna will probably blow it out of the water
“Display Port: Yes… HDMI: Yes” Thank you AMD for these greatly detailed specifications! And goddamn, please get HDMI 2.1 working, if not fully up to 120 Hz then at least to 60 Hz to be able to get better image quality without chroma subsampling like you get with HDMI 2.0 from 31 Hz upwards when using all other features like 10 bit per channel colors and HDR…
Yeah, I read something similar - then the borderline-scamming motherboard manufacturers should also stop advertising “HDMI 2.1” for their motherboards (with that little asterisk telling you that you can actually only use resolutions and refresh rates that have already been possible since HDMI 2.0b). 🤬
if the GPU market doesn't get well soon, I am looking forward to an AM5 Ryzen APU with a RDNA (maybe even RDNA2) graphics chip. Paired with FSR this probably will be a beast and outperform even the lower end of midrange dedicated GPUs I assume?
@@yasu_red APU = Accelerated Processing unit for most people. As you can see above that was a really dogshit method of conveying your point. But even so I do still get it and your right. Just because someone called it an iGpu doesnt mean their an informed intel leaning customer admitting that Amd has an advantage. And I maybe shouldnt so goofily point at the term as if that were the case. I was memeing and dropped the punchline and you thought I was serious, thats on me.
@@yasu_red Ah I had it comin. Quite literally invited it like. I knew it was a bad meme and someone was gonna be like: .... Calling it an iGpu doesnt also mean "Im an engineer at intel and know what im on about btw" eeee. I must admit the heresy within my meme. Such heresy as a failure to funny, so heinous that I appear to simply not know what subject Im speaking on, I must go wash myself of this failure to dodge the dunning Krueger effect like one tries to dodge a supermassive blackhole. ewe
@@0UR0US I wouldn't say Vega loves more power. More like you can force feed it and squeeze it dry. But Vega is at its best I low power/constrained power scenarios. This is partly why they're still using them in all of these APU's (other one being die size).
It's not limited actually. It's 8 Vega cores at max or 7 not sure but that is an absurdly low amount of CUs so don't spread bs info like this. You also saw the power use and it wasn't even breaking 50watts total while gaming. The Vega is running at its max potential right here stop the fud
This CPU is almost 50€ cheaper than the 5700X here so it perfectly fills in the gap between the 5600X and 5700X while being closer to the 5700X and sporting an iGPU. Solid deal!
Counterpart just means something that performs a similar function to the subject. That could be a lot of things, including a cheap CPU + dGPU, a competitor, or another product from the same company.
@@johnm2012 I know what the definition of counterpart is... Applicable to all people and things, but in relation to pc components, traditionally, it's used in a specific context. Like I said, I can dig it... Don't need a vocab lesson.
@A Google User Just because you are a snob in gaming, most people cannot afford that. You can see that the 1060 is still the most popular GPU in the steam survey. If we could get 1060 like performance in an APU for around the 300-400 USD mark with decent 8 core CPU beside it, a lot of people would be happy. And you can buy your 3080, and let people be happy what they have.
The biggest thing I want tested from these APUs, is when FSR is released. I'm curious on how much of a performance boost they can get from it, and what the quality looks like. Aside from also seeing them pushed to their maxed performance. Good stuff, thanks again!
Will there be a video where you show how different RAM speeds impact gaming/FPS (OEM stock speeds - 4000Mhx+) on these APUs? Is there a noticable impact? Is it worth getting faster RAM if buying a 5600G/5700G to use the APU for 6-9+ months? Thanks
It typically is worth it! I own a 4750G which basically has the same GPU. Here some numbers: With 3200MT/s RAM and no GPU-overclock I get in the internal benchmarks of: Rise of the Tombraider at 1080p low settings: 44 FPS Shadow of the Tombraider at 900p low settings: 42 FPS With 4000MT/s RAM and GPU overclocked to 2360MHz I get: Rise of the Tombraider at 1080p low settings: 51 FPS! Shadow of the Tombraider at 900p low settings: 48 FPS! This can make the difference between playable and not playable at e.g. 1080p. So @Gamers Nexus: Yes, please do test APUs with >=4000MT/s RAM AND GPU overclock! And BTW: I overclocked my cheap 3200MT rated RAM to 4000MT and it works. So you usually do not need to buy expensive 4000MT rated RAM. Also the latencies have only a minor impact on performance, the MT/s are important.
another creator has posted a video addressing this, in short you can gain about 8-10 fps in most titles by going from 3200 to 4000 if im remembering correctly.
I think AMD should come back with their hybrid crossfire technology combining an APU with a compatible dGPU. They didn't have much success with this at first but that was a long time ago and things are different for AMD now.
Would it be possible to include the Ryzen 5 3400G, as many people simply looking at the 11 gpu cores might make the conclusion that it is "better" when that might not be the case
@@joshj88 For what it's worth a few people online have done comparisons vs the 4th gen apu's, and the 3400G wins some and loses some with it's 11 compute cores vs 8 compute cores. I'd like to see the 3400G included out of curiosity too, as my kid's computer has one, but realistically as it's only Zen 2 based I don't think it will fare particularly well due to it's more limited access to the systems RAM
I have the R5 3400G as a cheap stop gap since October. It's not in the same league 4c/8t, around NV 860M graphics performance but not hot n loud like that gaming laptop GPU. I am display upscaling 720p to 1440p on a new monitor rather than do native 1080p to run games at higher quality settings. The 5000G series Vega are 7nm and have much faster clocks, cache & cores.
What I don't understand, probably because I know too little about processor design, is that once you install a dedicated GPU and switch over to that, the integrated GPU sits back, relaxes, and does nothing ever after. Why do those then idle compute units not get put to use as co-processors? It seems like a wasted potential.
Thank you for your review. With my new 5700G when running Blender Classroom Render along with Unigine Valley, Blender will give a time out error after about 5 minutes. I also tried CPU-Z stress test also with Unigine valley and again got a timeout after 5 minutes. This was with the latest drivers installed. I have made 2 bug reports to AMD. The 5700G is over 1 minute faster than the 4750G to complete the Blender Classroom render - the one time it was able to complete the render without a timeout.
Steve, would you be able to compare it to a 3200G/3400G? The OEM 4 series were difficult to get, trying to decide if I should pop the extra $130 for a 5600G vs 3200G (in particular for 1080P gaming FPS since it's still Vega).
I'd compare benchmarks, because the 4700G was a pretty big performance increase over the 3400G. I'm curious to see how the 4700G compares to the 5700G.
Hey, not sure how is your setup but keep in mind the reduced numbers of PCIE lanes, so maybe, if you start stacking up mixers, racks, IO Cards etc you may find yourself short on banwidth pretty soon.
I wish there was collaboration between Gamers Nexus and Project Farm, couldn't think of a test that would make sense though haha. I just love how much effort both put into testing as well as they do.
I get that AMD used to be small and didn't have the money to develop multiple product lines simultaneously, but that shouldn't be the case anymore. How amazing would it be to have a APU next year based on Zen 4 and RDNA 3, with a decent amount of on-die cache or hell, even a stacked HBM module!! Sadly, for whatever reason, AMD won't give us this until probably 2024!! By which time I won't be remotely interested in it.
They already have a great APU from their consoles. I wonder if Sony has an agreement where they own some of the patents and won't let AMD make a great APU on the PC side
@@timothygibney159 I doubt Sony/Microsoft have many IP patents on these APU’s if any. But it was developed co-operatively so there are contracts in place which undoubtedly give them exclusive use of the chips. AMD could theoretically develop a third APU design that’s different enough to get around those contracts but it likely isn’t worth the R@D cost and potentially pissing off their two most important partners. They’d probably need a whole new platform for these to slot into anyway which would be expensive and unpopular for consumers.
I don't think there's enough space on the substrate for HBM. Would also be really expensive. Let's just hope DDR5 gets a strong start (unlike DDR4 and 3) and AMD to stop reusing Vega for the graphics part. That's when APUs should really take off. Also note that AMD may keep the performance rather low so they don't internally compete with their graphics devision and ultimately their AIB partners.
@@-eMpTy- I don't know, the AM5 socket looks pretty big. If you had a monolithic 8 core Zen 4 with 60CU RDNA 3 on the N5P node it wouldn't be that big so there should be space for some HBM too, maybe 8GB but 16GB would be immense. Even if they charge $1000 for the chip I think it would sell well.
@@samuel5916 Why do you think nvdia 3xxx came out first? Sony ordered AMD not to release it and Sony strong armed AMD when it was about to go under in the PS3 days for patents. Sony paid for Navi and owns it according to them as they would be out of business without them. True AMd owns fidelity FX and freesync and other technologies but Sony Music is a patent company first and a music company second and are assholes in this. They own too much or rdna3 unfortunately and the reason why Nvidia beat them as the Sony PS5 had to come out first according to agreement
Would this be ideal to make a tiny form factor emulation station with maybe a little gaming on the side once it's out or are there better choices out there for that?
You might want to check ETA prime's channel, it's all about emulation and mini PC/android devices/single board computers. He has done builds with both the 5600G and the 5700G, for pc gaming and emulation testing. In short, for the use case you mention the 5700G is not worth it. The 5600G will give you most of its performance for a lot less money.
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 Thanks for the suggestion, this is a perfect channel for what I was looking to build. Thanks for the advice on what to go for as well.
If you missed it, we reviewed the AMD R5 5600G APU here: ua-cam.com/video/KycNI1FxIPc/v-deo.html
You can see our previous IGP testing with Intel’s UHD 750 & 630 here: ua-cam.com/video/2H1B7ibjJZg/v-deo.html
We also previously discussed the specs on the whole Ryzen 5000 APU line here: ua-cam.com/video/6gok9J_kbA8/v-deo.html
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You covered with tape serial number (HRI), but didn't covered serial number DataMatrix (MRI). I can scan it and get serial number.
Increase the memory speed, please. They are almost completely memory limited.
Can you add earlier APU's to your comparison, instead of all intel? I'd like to see the 3400G for example, to see the growth in the line.
No mention of vram allocation in any of the specs; this will affect performance...
The best part about the 5700G is that you can literally see it
MY COWORKER WENT DOWN TO THE RIVER
THANKS STEVE
@@GamersNexus this went right over my head.
Back to you, Steve!
@@GamersNexus to do what?!?....
If there's anything we've learned from these reviews, it's that no matter the situation, the 11900k is always a joke and a complete waste of sand :D
It’s made from quartz silicon not sand
@@snoflahke6575 sand is quartz silicone
And your and Intel's own money!
It is quite pathetic (and impressive) how close this little APU is to the 10900k & 9900k on the charts
@@snoflahke6575 sand is not a material, sand means a material that is ground into small tiny dust-like particles.
Had the 5600X and now the 5700G in a fanless build. In terms of frugality, it's night and day. The 'Vermeer' 5600X is built for performance and has high idle consumption due to its chiplet design and PCIe 4.0, while the 'Cezanne' 5700G is a monolithic chip with PCIe 3.0 that doesn't waste a single watt and sips rather than swallows. The impressive thing is, the 5700G doesn't feel one bit slower. I can highly recommend it for fanless or power constrained builds 👍
i got it in my extreme build with 1080ti/980ti in cuz also for videorendering, had to trade my 3800X with this with a friend cuz his 5700G wouldnd work on his board and yeah, so i got that one instead and yeha, ppl overwhelm a lot, 5700G is dope AF :DD ccant even feel anythiing that would be slow on this one :) kk bit slower in gaming but slashes in multicore, with at least I need so yeah, decent CPU :))
@SharQ 90 on a 3600x on a 360 aio?
exactly... downgraded from a 5800x to 5700g on my main home office / gaming PC. 8-12h/day this PC has only minimal workload. Some programming, microsoft teams, etc...
like before, i disabled all boosts and unclocked / undervolted it. i.e. 4.1 GHz @ 1.16V, (prime95 AVX stable), which still results in 13.5k cinebench r23 multi score, but only consumes 70 watts in doin so. Furthermore. When doing light workload this CPU consumes 9-15 watts. Thats less than half of the 5800x fully idle. amazing!
Furthermore i can connect my 2 monitors to the mainboard now, so my 1080 TI stays fully idle at 13watts while working. If using the 1080TI for display out, some stuff like microsoft teams likes to send the 1080TI in the higher poer state so it consumes 60-70 watts.
This way my setup including 2 monitors only uses 90-110 watts while working, in contrast to the 130-190 watts with the 5800x.
Then, if gmaing (3h/week maybe) the hybrid grafics function works flawless and my games run on the 1080 TI despite the monitors connected to the mainboard. wonderful.
all in all i am super happy with the "downgrade".
especially as i could sell the 5800x for only 20€ less than i bought it used 6 months ago (170€).
and now i boughtthe 5700G used for 140€
Going to see FSR's impact on Apu's. That's the real grab that could affect laptops and low power applications.
We hope to look at FSR on the APUs!
Would be interesting to see apu with rdna architecture and fsr.
FSR is supported on Polaris and Vega...
@@shadowopsairman1583 these apus are Vega based so it will 100% work on them. The performance benefit of the software on an igpu is unknown tho
As a user of an R5 3400G I much prefer display scaling to GPU scaling, a clear picture without input lag is obtained, but setting it up requires some research.
720p display scaled to 1440p looks especially good.
"If you had a sufficient supply of potatoes, you could probably build a computer that could run F1 2020"
What do you think would be the minimum specification there?
Uses Linus has root access
@@DailyCorvid Root access neat
About tree fiddy
Vodka
Ask Dr Ian...
would love to see some 5700G testing with different RAM brands/configurations
It would be great if they tested the right kinds of games with it also. Single player AAA games released before say 2019 or 2018 would be perfect.
@@NatrajChaturvedi Nailed it. APU buyers aren't out there playing the latest and greatest. It would be nice to see them running older titles.
ETA Prime has a few 5700G videos with a couple RAM configurations and a lot of games tested. I'd recommend those. As for myself, I've run it with Corsair 3600MHz that I could only clock up to 3800MHz, and with Patriot 4400MHz that wouldn't run at that speed for me. (But it worked at the 3800MHz settings recommended by the Ryzen DRAM Calculator.) With a modest overclock to the iGPU (2300MHz at 1.19v), I was able to score 20,900 in Night Raid (and 23.9% in Userbenchmark). Unfortunately Gigabyte hasn't updated the BIOSs yet for this chip, so they don't allow increasing the iGPU framebuffer beyond the stock 512MB of dedicated RAM. With older chips, like the 3400G, it's nice to be able to dedicate 3 or 4GB to the iGPU.
Also had high hopes for Steve to test OC iGPU with 2x8GB 4400Mhz Patriot Vipers DDR which are still in the price/performance sweetspot for these APUs. Inf. fabric can also reach much higher freq. since it it monolithic design (perhaps 4400Mhz in synchronous mode). But just slight OC of iGPU and using 4400Mhz would bring GPU perf. to another level. Because of situation on dGPU market I think that this kind of stop-gap solution is exactly what people are looking for. So slightly different approach suppose to be taken to test such product. This is not budget APU like 4C/8Ts 3200G/3400G were. This is much more expensive mid-range product, so people can throw few bucks for 4400Mhz RAM to have maximum GPU performance out of this before they buy actual dGPU. Unfortunatelly such option wasn't covered by using only 3200Mhz DDRs
Yes, this! Higher speed memory.
Now available at Microcenter ~$230. At that price point, it's a hell of a value
just picked one off amazon for $185, very excited to use it. hell of a deal
High end cpus are getting cheaper and the lower ends are getting more expensive.
Update $160 now.
@@spitperson69i got if for 100 usd
Mine is 150€ now
9:50 "It's better value than the 3080 Ti, so there's that..."
I'm looking forward to that CPU as an alternative for my son's pc since I can't buy a GPU.
newegg has rx550's for $125 which should be better than the igpu's
@@rozzbourn3653 slight better gpu performance for a worse cpu? No, he should stick with his part for a good cpu and get a dedicated part when the time comes
@@rozzbourn3653 link?
I think the best deal right now for power vs price is used 3400g
@@Durkhead i would search for a used 4650g. Will work great with a gpu unlike a 3400g
I honestly like integrated graphics mostly for trouble shooting and ease of use when swapping systems. Its just so nice to be able to work on a system without worrying about a graphics card.
The onboard graphics on my 7900x didn't work so that didn't help me when I was setting up my PC. But it does work well for video encoding, when it works.
It would be nice if you included older Ryzen APU Models for comparison. Great stuff as always though ❤
Yup my 4750G...is it worth replacing with this?
@@TheDesertsweeper No, buy a CPU and GPU that will last several years instead of upgrading an APU every year.
@@addictedtoRS I am not a "apu" or "gpu" user - I want a cheap multi-thread CPU. And I got my 4750G for next to nothing on ebay. if the 5700G nails my cpu in CPU-intensive apps I will buy it. I do not play games.
@@TheDesertsweeper He did CPU-only benchmarks in the video.
@@bardacuda82 indeed he did. Sorry for being lazy...:)
I do wonder how much performance is to be had through overclocking.
We'll check!
Not much I expect, in past Vega cores didn't and 5000 series doesn't leave much on the table, perhaps under-volting can deliver faster clocks at the same power.
The memory though ought to offer more gains
@@GamersNexus I've been working with APUs for a few years. Memory clock > GPU clock > Memory latency
@@RobBCactive Overclocking the CPU is pointless, but overclocking RAM and GPU makes a big difference to IGPU performance. (at least it does on the 4750G, should be the same for the 5000Gs)
@@franklehmann3785 We don't know for sure about overclocking the CPU. The G SKUs are different from the X SKUs in several ways, maybe overclocking is one of them.
I like it. If it were available today i'd recommend it to my friend that wants to build a gaming PC but refuses to pay more than MSRP (i agree with this principle). Being able to play many older PC games(2013 or older) at 1080p60fps (perhaps even 1440p) at medium settings while waiting for GPU prices to go down to msrp or below and also having 8 cores seems like a decent deal.
paused the video for a minute and came back to Steve with his finger in the air lecturing the absolute fuck out of me about cpus
Completely out of topic, but I just love how GN directly and humbly interacts with their fans/commentators in YT video comments. That is just amazing, especially considering the size of this channel. Hats off!
As a 4650g owner I am really grateful for AMD making APUs with usable igpu's
As someone that likes to run emulators on a mini PC I am also grateful.
I love this as it proves what I thought, and yes a 5700g could never touch the 5800x. The fun part is you get roughly 15% less performance for 25% less price. If you want AMD and 8 cores this is a banger for your dollars. Plus if anything goes wrong and you need to troubleshoot even with a dgpu having the igpu is very helpful.
If it is about value then i5 10400f/11400f is the winner
These processor do not have integrated graphics, you will need a separate graphics card.
Comparing their value against an APU which comes with integrated graphics comparable to a 1060 is moot.
Add a 1060 to the cart and try again...
@@daynight6021 my bad, I was addressing you.
@@iterminator309 i meant it just as a processing unit, but yeah if you add the gpu prices and market nowadays then the "g" series is by far the better one when it goes to value, i actually have a r5 5600g myself for my system and when gpu prices goes down am gonna snatch one
Actually more like 20-25% loss in gaming performance specifically, which makes the entire purchase for most people an inefficient waste, so I tend to agree to Steve on this. Not recommended. The 5600x is much better investment for gaming in at this particular time. I'm amazed AMD is getting away with selling these 5700G's without fully disclosing the massive performance loss in comparison to the 5800X, which supposedly runs off the same core design and architecture. AMD lost my business when they sold reference Radeon VII's with 1 year warranties, well knowing ahead of time the cores would run into memory controller failures (i.e. core failures / error code 43).
I kinda want to see versions of these APUs with 3d v cache AMD just showed off.
complete waste of resources, much better would be to simply put rdna2 ins this APUs, like the steam deck has done.
They tend to hold their value pretty well. I bought a 3400g while waiting for availability for the processor and GPU I wanted. When I swapped it out I sold it on ebay for exactly what I paid for it. So even if it's a placeholder for a very short period of time, it might be worth it. You might lose a couple bucks, but at least you'll be able to put your rig together and use it.
Good advice [thumbsup]
I am still using that exact apu , 3400g is great for me but thinking on upgrading to 5700g
Catch me camping outside of microcenter August 5 for that DIY launch
"If you have a sufficient amount of potatoes, you can probably build a computer capable of running F1 2020. It doesn't take much"
*cries in 3 potato*
DOWNLOAD MORE VYAM !
Are Amd and Nvidia servers down beacuse I couldn't download a graphics card.
*cries in Dr. Ian Cutress
I've been doing lots of 5700G testing. It's an amazing little APU. I have some DDR4 5333 on the way to push it further :)
Any input lag sir? In game like with the i gpu,having input lag with my gtx 1660
@@minhajuddin4638 did you disable vsync?
Depending on the price this could be a solid alternative to the 5600X. You get the upgrade to 8 cores, paying less than the 5800X and have an IGP as a freebie in case you ever need it for troubleshooting or bridging a dead GPU.
Would be interesting to see how far you can push the APUs in terms of overclocking compared to their R5/R7 counterpart.
5600G @ $269 vs $299, is better value. The 5600X may fall further in price, but the $70 for extra under-utilised cores gimped by ½ the cache just isn't value.
You can buy a 5800X for $400(edit: ON AMAZON, who gives a fuck about your microcenter deals), this CPU seems like poor value unless you absolutely need an 8 core CPU with integrated graphics better than what Intel offers.
@@RobBCactive Microcenter has had the 5600X at $279 for about a month now. The 5800X even hit $369 last week.
@@gatocochino5594 As I said it depends on the price and on how far you can get with OC on the 5700G.
You probably wouldn't spend the 100-120$ to go from 6 to 8 cores but for 50 bucks? I think quite a few people may be tempted.
You could almost see the 5700G as a missing 5700.
Also this is MSRP, we don't know where it will end up.
@Roland I’d go with the 5600X. Faster gaming performance and way more efficient, thus easier to cool.
Great video steve! Although I really wish you guys can do some memory OC. These guys have crazy FCLKs that can boost igpu performance
Will look at that separately! Not everything can go in one video. This is already half an hour long.
@@GamersNexus Oh, I won't dream of you guys putting the memory OC stuff in one video! Just take your time and have fun with it! The engineering samples of these things can already do 2300mhz FCLK easily, and Id reckon these retail samples can do even better!
@@GamersNexus I think keeping that separate to put proper focus on the OC is better. Me and I'm sure others are interested in plug and play numbers so it's nice to keep that separate. Just my opinion
@@tangfranklin1730 Appreciate your understanding brother and hype for that OC vid 👍 this is what I like to see on UA-cam, not all the usual drama lol
Finally, a graphics solution you can actually buy
Refreshed at like 4 seconds ago, no notifications. Damn youtube, but you can’t stop me from watching this
Man, if only my IT department would see this and replace my old I5 4gb ram workstation with one of these. One can dream amirite?
Im the IT dept. im upgrading our whole office with Ryzens, 1 workstation at a time.
HP has a z2 mini class that has ryzebs, but only at 4000 series., laptops tho is a different story.
It departments that torture employees with the dreaded "single stick of 4GB ram" but expect them to use web apps, should be fired.
@@xavdeman our IT department does the same. They blame it on budget and availability.
And when it comes to AMD, upper management has basically said the old quote, "no one has ever been fired for buying Intel" :(
@@chadbizeau5997 It's insane they don't realizd that when people have fast instead of slow computers... Their productivity may increase.
@@xavdeman unfortunately I work in the wonderful world of government...
The more cpus they release the more 5600x seems like a good buy
Definitely! Especially at $279 Microcenter pricing the past month.
@@andrewmorris3479 Even more worth it for $179 at Microcenter just now.
Having integrated graphics and a discrete GPU is actually very useful for anyone that uses virtualization, and wants to have a GPU accelerated virtual machine. Otherwise you need to have two discrete GPUs installed in your system, which is a bit ridiculous.
Planning to buy 5700G purely for running CISCO VM images which are CPU intensive and require more core count. Good choice? Planning to drop in 3060 down the track.
or you can do single gpu passthrough. Works pretty fine with my ryzen 5 5600.
Now with the 5700X announced, it would be cool to see a head-to-head between the two.
Replaced 2200g with 5700G. HUGE difference. Worth it.
I just bought a 5700g for C$ 270. Paired with a B550 Tomahawk it has a 460% improvement in file compression speed compared to my 4790k.
Color me very pleased!
Hey i have the same intel CPU i7 4790k, i am wondering if the 5700g is worth it over the i5 13500?
@@BravoSixGoingDark You'll have to look at more charts and take some educated guesses. I used to be an Intel fanboy until I saw a vid by AdoredTV on what Intel did to AMD. Now I won't buy an Intel chip if it cost 10 cents and cured cancer.
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Hey Steve! Can you look into DLSS 2.2's .dll file from Rainbow 6 Siege being used in other DLSS 2+ games (Cyberpunk, Control, Metro Exodus)? The nvidia subreddit locked the thread down because it was "unsubstantiated" info. I loaded it up into Cyberpunk at 4k and I'm getting a pretty big performance boost RTX On (Shadows, Reflections, Lighting Ultra) with my mostly high custom settings from before. I was having to keep RTX lighting off to get 60+ frames. I'd like to know I'm not popping placebos over here lol. Also it seems like balanced and performance mode are much crisper now.
You are calling RT - > RTX so the marketing placebo certainly worked on you.
Thank you for including the GTX 960 in the video.
this is the chip my prebuilt came with, paired with a 3060, I've upgraded to an rtx3080 and went from a prime b550m-k asus board to an msi b550 gaming plus the ryzen 7 5700g is basically the only part I kept from the pre-built rog strix and I've always thought it is a very capable chip, I've only ever used other people's pc's before and this setup of G-APU along with the RTX3080, 32gb ram is by far the fastest computer I've ever used, I KNOW there are MUCH better setups but me personally best PC I've ever used
I got a 5700G instead of a 5800x because it was almost 2/3rd the price at the time ($240 vs around $380) and with the savings you can put that money towards more ram, an extra NVME, or higher tier video card. Yes it has about 10% less performance, but it runs much cooler and can boost all cores almost 100% of the time with a 240mm AIO cooler. Boost can be overclocked to 4.8Ghz and even though it's using pcie 3.0 (with a 3060 ti, 2 1tb nvmes in raid 0, 32Gb Ram, using an Asus B550 motherboard) you can't even tell it's not using pcie4. Everything runs great and at full speed.
You have a back video card if you ever need it. All things considered it's good enough for almost any game or application that's going to be developed for the average consumer for quite sometime. It's also faster than most Intels previous generations which would cost way more.
Plus when you're done with it or looking for a cheaper chip, it has enough power to be a stand alone server with decent processing power, a great mame build, or both at the same time.
Can't can't for DDR5. Imagine actually being able to crank up the settings on integrated graphics
Wait a year to get it and then another 2-3 years for lower prices.
Still waiting on AM5 here. Im back on Intel HD 3000..
@@UniverseGd actually, early DDR5 won´t make much difference from current high-performance DDR4. Just as DDR4 wasn´t any better than DDR3 at its start.
AM5 is LGA
@@Morpheus-pt3wq Still a better investment,
R7 5700g is currently $178 from Lord Bezos.
Once again, AMD brings excellent technology to the table. Thank you, AMD!
Glad this is getting some coverage since it's a beast of a chip, especially if you overclock it and give it some fast RAM. I felt the GPU comparisons didn't paint it in the best light. You'd never run modern AAA games at max quality settings with this, and you'd be doing it an injustice pairing it with only 3200MHz memory. Running it with memory at 3800MHz and a modest iGPU overclock, it performs really well, and can beat a bunch of common discrete GPUs (1030, 750Ti, RX560), and even the new Intel DG1. Compared to the current cost of those, and considering there are $700 "gaming PCs" that have GT 710s in them, it certainly makes the 5700G seem attractive. It also gives me a lot of hope for the next gen platform with RDNA cores and DDR5 memory.
I’m pretty sure in the video it says the 5700g will support up to 3200MHz
@@PostcastPosters 3400G can handle 3266 in my experience. That was with G.Skill 3200-CL16 Samsung B-Die's.
Thank you, Steve
Thanks for the review, always really enjoy the APU content.
Would be keen to see some memory scaling tests, overclocking and tuning APUs is some of the most fun you can have with your clothes off.
Some comparisons to older APUs like the 2400G/3200G would also be fantastic, I'm sure there's some previous gen owners out there that might want to do a BIOS update and drop one of these in.
Um, I believe the phrase is, “the most fun you can have with your clothes *on*,” lol.
@@TH3C001 I must be doing it wrong. Pretty sure my Fire Strike score went up though.....
I was just about to search this for any updates, perfect timing.
I think when Navi goes MCM, we'll see APUs get even better.
6000 series APU sounds great. 1080p (high/ultra) gaming is in reach ;)
@@TuskForce Especially some of the speeds that they're talking about getting with ddr5.
A Navi iGPU and ddr5 RAM may be pretty damn good..
I built my first PC with a 2400g. Ah memories...
Still using it as we speak
2200g checking in, still rocking it since 2018, absolute monster of a cpu thinking of upgrading to 5700G now
Hi Steve,
One thing I would really like in the future is multitasking studied.
I'll be honest, I most often watch your videos and youtube while also gaming, in my setup two 1440p displays. When i upgraded from a 4770K to a 3700X, I noticed a real problem with the lack of an IGP in some games. What I've found is that there is a framerate / frame pacing hit to the gaming screen when the GPU is stressed since it's also trying to do GPU accelerated tasks such as video rendering on the other screen. Turning off GPU acceleration in Chrome creates a different problem, which now stresses the CPU to maintain Chrome video while trying to game, and renders some things nigh but impossible that are relying on GPU acceleration and do not function well (if at all) with only CPU.
Honestly. I would love to see some multi-tasking benchmarks, ex... running a game and say a GPU accelerated task such as watching videos on youtube in Chrome, comparing like for like across games and hardware configurations. Basically pitting the mainstream ryzen parts (w/o igp;s) and intel KF sku's vs APU's and Intel's processors with IGP's to understand what really is the performance loss, and for people in my situation, what would be the best purchase in the future?
Great video Steve! I wanted to say, I've been watching your content for quite awhile now, and you have some of the most in-depth PC review video's I have ever seen. I think you and your team do an amazing job at this, and I'm so glad I found your channel! I've watched all of your 'old' moving vlog video's to your office you're in right now and I loved those. And I am SO looking forward to your new vlog video's for your new office. The new office looks amazing, and 3 times the size; I also can't wait to see future video's about your new fan testing machine too!
As someone who used a 2200G as my main pc for a year, APU gaming sweetspot is 900P + GPU scaling so the game is scaled to native monitor resolution. 720P only if the game cant run on 900p.
These are perfect for general,low maintenance “family & friends” builds-gives em nice modern machines that can still do light-medium gaming.People can be building new,full machines again.
I really enjoyed watching this video! I feel like its been a while since ive watched a video like this. I always like seeing new and old hardware comparisons.
First, great video as always and thanks for all of the data - it's incredibly thorough.
Regarding your closing remarks, I'm not sure I necessarily agree that having an APU in combination with a dgpu is bad value. It's always good to have a backup gpu (would be the apu) in case a discrete graphics card fails imo.
The 5700G is actually very interesting for me. I'm looking for a cpu with intergrated graphics for troubleshooting purposes. If my gpu dies, or I have to pass it to a friend, I can still used my pc as a media machine and light gaming.
Honestly with the the current ridiculous gpu pricing situation the the 5700g is for me a good pickup especially to help ride out the craziness that I'm seeing now until you can get close to MSRP pricing. Then you could always swap it out for a 57-5900x and gpu combo and use it for a sff build for the kiddies.
This would make a beast emulation machine... i wonder how it stacks up to pure pci-e slot powered gpus like the 560.
18:43 How many potatoes are we talking about here? Asking for a friend.
This is the one I’ve been eyeing this review will be quite interesting
I really hope the RDNA apus are released at a good time in the market because if you think these apus are great, the rumored rdna will probably blow it out of the water
AMD can't even make enough RDNA iGPUs for Xbox and PS, there is so much demand, Vega will stick around for 1 more year probably
RDNA based APU with AMD's vcache and DDR5 RAM, heck yes!
@@Falcon5ive AMD's next APUs have RDNA2 graphics, confirmed by patches sent to their Linux driver.
When can we expect some overclocking results? Will the 5700G support higher memory speeds?
At $178 the R7-5700G should be revisited.
Apparently the IF can go crazy high on these (+4400). Would be good to look at their memory OC performance relative to the X series.
It would certainly be interesting.
Please do a "GPU" extreme overclocking video om 5700G's igpu when it launchs on DIY market
“Display Port: Yes… HDMI: Yes”
Thank you AMD for these greatly detailed specifications! And goddamn, please get HDMI 2.1 working, if not fully up to 120 Hz then at least to 60 Hz to be able to get better image quality without chroma subsampling like you get with HDMI 2.0 from 31 Hz upwards when using all other features like 10 bit per channel colors and HDR…
Yeah, I read something similar - then the borderline-scamming motherboard manufacturers should also stop advertising “HDMI 2.1” for their motherboards (with that little asterisk telling you that you can actually only use resolutions and refresh rates that have already been possible since HDMI 2.0b). 🤬
if the GPU market doesn't get well soon, I am looking forward to an AM5 Ryzen APU with a RDNA (maybe even RDNA2) graphics chip. Paired with FSR this probably will be a beast and outperform even the lower end of midrange dedicated GPUs I assume?
Lower end of current mid range gpus would be able to use fsr as well.
@@MrMilkyCoco sso get a series x
series x has the rdna2 apu with a 5
700x equivelent cpu
AMD's iGPU's have always been massively better than Intel's. No contest.
THIS COMING FROM SOMEONE THAT CALLS IT AN I-GPU SPEAKS VOLUMES
(i-Gpu is what intel calls them. Amd calls it an APU)
@@vortraz2054 iGPU = integrated graphics processing unit for most people
@@yasu_red APU = Accelerated Processing unit for most people.
As you can see above that was a really dogshit method of conveying your point. But even so I do still get it and your right. Just because someone called it an iGpu doesnt mean their an informed intel leaning customer admitting that Amd has an advantage. And I maybe shouldnt so goofily point at the term as if that were the case. I was memeing and dropped the punchline and you thought I was serious, thats on me.
@@vortraz2054 my bad for that lol
@@yasu_red Ah I had it comin. Quite literally invited it like. I knew it was a bad meme and someone was gonna be like: .... Calling it an iGpu doesnt also mean "Im an engineer at intel and know what im on about btw"
eeee. I must admit the heresy within my meme. Such heresy as a failure to funny, so heinous that I appear to simply not know what subject Im speaking on, I must go wash myself of this failure to dodge the dunning Krueger effect like one tries to dodge a supermassive blackhole. ewe
HAHAHA, in my neck of the wood, shops are selling 1660 for 670 EURO!
So much work and testing that is absolutely appreciated, keep up the good work. Over to you Steve
when need an episode where you overclock the crap outta these 2 cpus!!
The iGPU is also limited by the 88 Watts PPT it has to share with the CPU cores.
There must be some way to unlock the power limits on Zen 2/3 APUs 🥵
It's a shame seeing how much Vega loves extra power.
@@0UR0US I wouldn't say Vega loves more power. More like you can force feed it and squeeze it dry. But Vega is at its best I low power/constrained power scenarios. This is partly why they're still using them in all of these APU's (other one being die size).
It's not limited actually. It's 8 Vega cores at max or 7 not sure but that is an absurdly low amount of CUs so don't spread bs info like this. You also saw the power use and it wasn't even breaking 50watts total while gaming. The Vega is running at its max potential right here stop the fud
Wanna see a AMD apu comparison between all the apu’s performances gains after AMD FSR drop. Come on Steve make it happen bro!
This CPU is almost 50€ cheaper than the 5700X here so it perfectly fills in the gap between the 5600X and 5700X while being closer to the 5700X and sporting an iGPU.
Solid deal!
In marketing, isn't the "counterpart" the competitor's offering that serves a similar purpose at a similar price?
Counterpart just means something that performs a similar function to the subject. That could be a lot of things, including a cheap CPU + dGPU, a competitor, or another product from the same company.
@@GamersNexus Using words by definition? I can dig it... Guess I'm just used to the context specific marketing mumbo jumbo
@@johnbagley8211 It just means an alternative part (quite literally, a counter-part).
@@johnm2012 I know what the definition of counterpart is... Applicable to all people and things, but in relation to pc components, traditionally, it's used in a specific context. Like I said, I can dig it... Don't need a vocab lesson.
DDR5 + 3D Cache + RDNA Cores.... Actually in 1-2 years we might get a really good apu, what is more than a stopgap or office pc.
@A Google User Just because you are a snob in gaming, most people cannot afford that.
You can see that the 1060 is still the most popular GPU in the steam survey. If we could get 1060 like performance in an APU for around the 300-400 USD mark with decent 8 core CPU beside it, a lot of people would be happy. And you can buy your 3080, and let people be happy what they have.
Awesome! I was expecting this one from you guys....Thanks!
Why on earth they just give this 8 gpu cores and the 3400G has 11 gpu cores.
I just got an asus prebuilt from a guy (who seemed to not know what he had) with this cpu, 16gb ram, 1tb HDD, 256gb m.2 SSD, and a 3060 for $750!!
Probably just change the motherboard and the PowerSupply and you have a beast on your hand
@@lordrefrigeratorintercoole288 I swapped out my 1660 ti for the 4060 then sold the system for what I bought it for.
The biggest thing I want tested from these APUs, is when FSR is released. I'm curious on how much of a performance boost they can get from it, and what the quality looks like. Aside from also seeing them pushed to their maxed performance.
Good stuff, thanks again!
Thanks for those comparisons that were requested!!
Welp, I'm running an R7 3700x and a RX570 Gaming. Since GPU prices are so freaking insane, looks like the 5700g is a good way to go.
Glad to see you came to a similar result as me. It'll be interesting to see how FSR helps this APU
Will there be a video where you show how different RAM speeds impact gaming/FPS (OEM stock speeds - 4000Mhx+) on these APUs? Is there a noticable impact? Is it worth getting faster RAM if buying a 5600G/5700G to use the APU for 6-9+ months?
Thanks
lots of people requested this on the 5600G video, will most likely happen.
It typically is worth it!
I own a 4750G which basically has the same GPU. Here some numbers:
With 3200MT/s RAM and no GPU-overclock I get in the internal benchmarks of:
Rise of the Tombraider at 1080p low settings: 44 FPS
Shadow of the Tombraider at 900p low settings: 42 FPS
With 4000MT/s RAM and GPU overclocked to 2360MHz I get:
Rise of the Tombraider at 1080p low settings: 51 FPS!
Shadow of the Tombraider at 900p low settings: 48 FPS!
This can make the difference between playable and not playable at e.g. 1080p.
So @Gamers Nexus: Yes, please do test APUs with >=4000MT/s RAM AND GPU overclock!
And BTW: I overclocked my cheap 3200MT rated RAM to 4000MT and it works. So you usually do not need to buy expensive 4000MT rated RAM. Also the latencies have only a minor impact on performance, the MT/s are important.
another creator has posted a video addressing this, in short you can gain about 8-10 fps in most titles by going from 3200 to 4000 if im remembering correctly.
@@MrLukhut1 I saw that video. It was Hardware Unboxed, and it was a very good video.
I think AMD should come back with their hybrid crossfire technology combining an APU with a compatible dGPU. They didn't have much success with this at first but that was a long time ago and things are different for AMD now.
I think they did that for the laptops where the APU and the dGPU work together in some workloads
I really hope all these 5000 series APU’s will have sufficient stock come the fifth of august.
Would it be possible to include the Ryzen 5 3400G, as many people simply looking at the 11 gpu cores might make the conclusion that it is "better" when that might not be the case
I’d love to know. I’m running a 3400g, but got it for $140 US on Ali express just before it’s price escalated to crazy levels.
@@joshj88 For what it's worth a few people online have done comparisons vs the 4th gen apu's, and the 3400G wins some and loses some with it's 11 compute cores vs 8 compute cores.
I'd like to see the 3400G included out of curiosity too, as my kid's computer has one, but realistically as it's only Zen 2 based I don't think it will fare particularly well due to it's more limited access to the systems RAM
@@joannaatkins822 zen 2 or zen +?
@@ska4dragons R5 3400G is ZEN+
I have the R5 3400G as a cheap stop gap since October. It's not in the same league 4c/8t, around NV 860M graphics performance but not hot n loud like that gaming laptop GPU. I am display upscaling 720p to 1440p on a new monitor rather than do native 1080p to run games at higher quality settings.
The 5000G series Vega are 7nm and have much faster clocks, cache & cores.
What I don't understand, probably because I know too little about processor design, is that once you install a dedicated GPU and switch over to that, the integrated GPU sits back, relaxes, and does nothing ever after. Why do those then idle compute units not get put to use as co-processors? It seems like a wasted potential.
Thank you for your review. With my new 5700G when running Blender Classroom Render along with Unigine Valley, Blender will give a time out error after about 5 minutes. I also tried CPU-Z stress test also with Unigine valley and again got a timeout after 5 minutes. This was with the latest drivers installed. I have made 2 bug reports to AMD. The 5700G is over 1 minute faster than the 4750G to complete the Blender Classroom render - the one time it was able to complete the render without a timeout.
Yea no comparisons between last a 2 generations of Ryzen Apus? Wtf?
Steve, would you be able to compare it to a 3200G/3400G? The OEM 4 series were difficult to get, trying to decide if I should pop the extra $130 for a 5600G vs 3200G (in particular for 1080P gaming FPS since it's still Vega).
I'd compare benchmarks, because the 4700G was a pretty big performance increase over the 3400G. I'm curious to see how the 4700G compares to the 5700G.
This is probably finally the first integrated graphics that can....ALMOST run VR. We're getting closer to micro pcs that can run VR!
One on these cpu's will be running solely a dedicated music mix mastering PC, fingers crossed on getting one at launch.
Hey, not sure how is your setup but keep in mind the reduced numbers of PCIE lanes, so maybe, if you start stacking up mixers, racks, IO Cards etc you may find yourself short on banwidth pretty soon.
@@josephjuanaliagavalenzuela2345 I should be good cause I keep my setup simple and clean.
Wait, someone might use a computer for something other than gaming! Mind blown!
I'll rather wait for the 5700G-Tie version 👔
No no those are the 5700x.... wings :)
Hey Steve, can you do a list of comparisons of all the previous AMD APU's with these new ones?
I wish there was collaboration between Gamers Nexus and Project Farm, couldn't think of a test that would make sense though haha. I just love how much effort both put into testing as well as they do.
"LET'S SEE IF THIS THERMAL PASTE WILL WORK AS MOTOR OIL!!!"
*10 minutes and several mm of stripped metal later*
"IT DOES NOT!"
I wish for their sake that they launched these chips much earlier into the shortage.
I loved your bit on power consumption! I'd love to see this as a focused topic... How to make A low power consumption gaming PC?!??!
I get that AMD used to be small and didn't have the money to develop multiple product lines simultaneously, but that shouldn't be the case anymore. How amazing would it be to have a APU next year based on Zen 4 and RDNA 3, with a decent amount of on-die cache or hell, even a stacked HBM module!!
Sadly, for whatever reason, AMD won't give us this until probably 2024!! By which time I won't be remotely interested in it.
They already have a great APU from their consoles. I wonder if Sony has an agreement where they own some of the patents and won't let AMD make a great APU on the PC side
@@timothygibney159 I doubt Sony/Microsoft have many IP patents on these APU’s if any. But it was developed co-operatively so there are contracts in place which undoubtedly give them exclusive use of the chips. AMD could theoretically develop a third APU design that’s different enough to get around those contracts but it likely isn’t worth the R@D cost and potentially pissing off their two most important partners.
They’d probably need a whole new platform for these to slot into anyway which would be expensive and unpopular for consumers.
I don't think there's enough space on the substrate for HBM. Would also be really expensive. Let's just hope DDR5 gets a strong start (unlike DDR4 and 3) and AMD to stop reusing Vega for the graphics part. That's when APUs should really take off. Also note that AMD may keep the performance rather low so they don't internally compete with their graphics devision and ultimately their AIB partners.
@@-eMpTy- I don't know, the AM5 socket looks pretty big. If you had a monolithic 8 core Zen 4 with 60CU RDNA 3 on the N5P node it wouldn't be that big so there should be space for some HBM too, maybe 8GB but 16GB would be immense. Even if they charge $1000 for the chip I think it would sell well.
@@samuel5916 Why do you think nvdia 3xxx came out first? Sony ordered AMD not to release it and Sony strong armed AMD when it was about to go under in the PS3 days for patents. Sony paid for Navi and owns it according to them as they would be out of business without them. True AMd owns fidelity FX and freesync and other technologies but Sony Music is a patent company first and a music company second and are assholes in this. They own too much or rdna3 unfortunately and the reason why Nvidia beat them as the Sony PS5 had to come out first according to agreement
Curious to see if overclocked the 5700g can come close to the 5800x
the fact that it's faster than the 3700 is crazy
You did a great compilation about all the important info we must know before getting a Ryzen 5600/5700G processor. Thanks!
Would this be ideal to make a tiny form factor emulation station with maybe a little gaming on the side once it's out or are there better choices out there for that?
You might want to check ETA prime's channel, it's all about emulation and mini PC/android devices/single board computers. He has done builds with both the 5600G and the 5700G, for pc gaming and emulation testing.
In short, for the use case you mention the 5700G is not worth it. The 5600G will give you most of its performance for a lot less money.
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 Thanks for the suggestion, this is a perfect channel for what I was looking to build. Thanks for the advice on what to go for as well.
5600g or series S would probably be better
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 Thanks! I subscribed to this channel. 👍