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Gotta say, following all these sponsorships I've now tried Kryonaut and Aeronaut. Both were very disappointing. Kryonaut got my GPU into the mid 80s after a year and Aeronauts max temp was already at 81°C. Both were significantly worse than the cheap chinese stuff for under 5 bucks in a huge tub (GD-2) which got my GPU down to 77°C max. Even tried them back to back on the same day cause I couldn't believe it. I originally bought the GD-2 for my 3D printer but it ended up trumping both of these very expensive Thermal Grizzly pastes on my PC as well. Turned out to be quite the waste of money when I thought these ought to be excellent.
Your last vid reminded me that I'd missed the efficiency deep dive, so I went back and watched it-it's really good! Nice to see the uplift-or lack thereof-expressed concretely as frames per second per Joule-per-second (this is cheeky but not sarcastic-that is the *objectively correct* unit).
I last upgraded my rig in summer 2022, and I always planned to skip AM5 and stick with my 5900X for the duration. But if AMD ever decided to go "f*** it, let's put those prototypes into production" and released a 5950X3D, I'd probably jump on it.
@@GSBarlev This September coming up and it's 5 years since I last upgraded, by far the longest I've not upgraded which is usually every 3 or so years. But the irony is in all this, my hardware isn't really struggling with new games and I see little reason to need to upgrade and I'm not going to upgrade because they want me to upgrade, there needs to be a solid reason to upgrade with software doing things we can't do on older hardware, but I will admit, I will have upgraded by now if these companies didn't get so greedy over the last few years, especially in the gpu market, and it's probably that greed on why hardware is lasting much longer as far more are holding onto there existing hardware much longer and developers will always target what most can afford. To be fair, 4k/120 is helping a lot when I'm fine with playing games at 1080p/60, it also helps with all these upscaling tech and frame gen, but that is another avenue to extend the life of my PC, but in any case, I suspect I've got another 2 years with this rig before I have to upgrade if I want to play the latest games.
@@GSBarlev I started with the 3600 just when it came out, relatively recently upgraded to 5800X3D because I found it super cheap (less than 5700X at the same store). I probably waiting for AM6 or something. I'm more than happy with my current rig.
The year is 2124, society has moved on from the need for silicon. AMD has announced their new cpu, the 5675x3D, a more efficient version of the 5650x3D
@@ChrisGR93_TxS Intel has been doing OK in terms of platform usage lately. LGA 1700 has survived 12th gen, 13th gen, and 14th gen. The processors themselves don't appear to be surviving though 😆
@@bjarnis Nah I like stability. If I truly need something faster for work, then fully understandable. Though x3D chips have been great for gaming. Might actually see something that can run 1000 fps for once.
Unfortunately, UA-cam would much rather have engagement for their unblockable ads. It's quickly becoming an ad platform instead of A video sharing platform...
Yes but... in a better way than they did... Right now it's rather frustrating if you engage a discussion and every other comment you post just gets deleted because some dumb algo decides you're a bot... Had the absolute majority of my comments being deleted for months - I know its just an anti bot mechanism, but it impacts like censorship.
My hypothesis with AM4 is that motherboard manufacturers wanted revenge on AMD for keeping such a long support of AM4 platform and made AM5 motherboards ridiculously overpriced which greatly hurt AMD's CPU sales. AMD got angry so they keep releasing AM4 CPUs as revenge to their revenge.
So, A motherbord manufackturer can sell the same bord at the same price for 5 years, is worse then selling it for 3 years? Were did you get that logic? They do have a cost of developing the boards. And after they made that cost back, it's pure profitt. It's better to keep selling those boards then to start over again. If you buy a new board with your upgrade, then you're selling you're old board. The person that buys your old board will not be buying a new board. So sales wise, it is 1-1=0. Also. Where i live, AM4 motherboards are often as expencive or even MORE expencive than the AM5 conterparts.
@@Audiosan79 You can sell new shiny stuff with higher margin or old stuff with lower margin. The logic is simple. MOBO manufacturers tried to force AMD to NOT prolong AM4 support what didn't happen. Pricing now is much better than it was 2 years ago. But at the beginning pricing was crazy for far too long (over a year AFAIK) hurting AMD and at the same time MOBO manufacturers. They didn't play it well and AMD outplayed them. In the end they want to make money so they WILL sell those AM4 motherboards because now they have to keep cash coming in somehow.
@@ilove2learn783 It normal that new things are more expencive when it first hit the marked. But it has little to do with margins. It has to do with development cost and the timeframe they have to make that money back. Also, it was the exact same thing with DDR5. Do you want to use the same exuse on that one too? Or maybe that was a revange act aganst Intel for supporting both DDR4 and DDR5 for 2 gens? Get real. If motherboard manufackturers were to force AMD off of AM4. they would keep there AM4 boards high and lower there AM5 board prices. Not the other way around.
@@ilove2learn783It's actually the other way around. AMD tried to force MOBO manufacturers FROM updating the BIOS to support newer AM4 CPUs, even though they could support them just fine. Eventually AMD reversed course after much outcry.
I love AM4...it's brought decent CPU performance to a lot of people on a tight budget, especially the huge second hand market created by people having so much choice for upgrades. I hosted a LAN last weekend and 11/12 of the people attending had AM4, ranging from a 1600, to a 5600X. They did us good...
A few years back I bought a 3600 with the intention of upgrading to a second-hand 5900 or 5950 later. After they announced the second x3d part I decided to hold out a bit longer and see what they're cooking up. AM4 continues to be a great platform lol
@@Blade_of_Tomoe yeahh it's a bit weirding me out how none of these 'consumer' focused reviewers are talking about that quietly increasing the price of all their cpus by removing the lowest and adding a new highest 3200g was so good
@@ThylineTheGay The Ryzen 5 5500 currently costs the same as the launch price of 3200g ($99). The highest end gaming CPU 7800x3D is less than $400. Prices are currently very good.
Yeah, I was thinking the same -- this isn't from (major/legit) board partners or officially from nVidia but frankensteined boards in China because they're desperate to do whatever they can to reclaim more affordable GPU's for AI training and the like.
I had my i5-2500k till early this year, basic overclock to 4.3GHz. People told me there was no way it would serve me for very long but it was still chugging along fine! If I can find a place to use it I will!
@@doubledigital_oh god just upgrade already. I saw huge gains going from my 2700k to 1st Gen Ryzen. I hated how stuttery games felt on that cpu back in 2017, I could only imagine what it’s like now. Go grab a 7800x3d and sit on it for 8 years lol
Remember, Valve doesn't make their money on selling Steam Decks. They make their money selling games. So having other companies' handhelds running SteamOS ties them a bit tighter to the Steam ecosystem, which means more Steam game sales. Also, Valve may be putting in the work for software support for the next generation Steam Deck. Win-win-win!
That and all their work on the steam deck carries over to other RDNA cards under linux. My 5700xt was so fucking stable under linux AND I COULD GO READ WHAT WAS WRONG WITH IT STRAIGHT FROM VALVE AND AMD engineers and now that im on a 4070 super i miss it. I'm having to wait for Nvidia's support staff to give me any update on them fixing VRR.
Wait, where am I winning? Valve is tightening their monopoly on PC gaming, the desktop client has gotten worse with each update designed to make it more like Steam Deck, my library is constantly full of ads, community features are useless because of spam and right wing bigots that don't get moderated, games are tied to Steam DRM instead of being DRM free on GOG. Valve is winning, customers are losing.
I was curious why nvidia needed to downgrade to gddr6 on the 4070, and an article by digital trends on July 30, 2024 titled "The storm clouds for another GPU shortage are brewing " says "It appears that a batch of GDDR6X memory, made by Micron, failed to pass various quality checks. That’s pretty disastrous, as the entire batch is said to be good for nothing but being replaced. Take this with some skepticism, though, as it all appears to be a rumor - albeit from what seems to be a credible source." That must have been a hell of a big batch.
@@abufrejoval And I'm sure nvidia won't pass the savings from the lower price of gddr6 to the consumer but they'll be sure to keep calling it a 4070 to make people think they're getting the original unless they know exactly what to look for which the majority don't. That's sleazy of them to do this. They should call it a 4069 or something. The general public doesn't know the difference between gddr6 and gddr6x. You're sleazy nvidia!
That's pretty horrific, considering we NEED cards with more than 8gb of onboard ram. Tests have shown how severely gimped 8gb cards are nowadays, and even as little as 2 more gb can make a massive difference.
@@AC3handle Yes, and I'd feel like nvidia would be being less sleazy if instead of swapping out gddr6x that has dwindling stock with gddr6 on the 4070 while probably not lowering the price, if they would use slower gddr6 but give extra ram. That would be a worthwhile trade I suppose but I know I'm dreaming.
@@pf100andahalf lol you just wanna hate and dunk on Nvidia for the FOMO and hate train do you, the new G6 4070 is literally using tweaked G6 and there's literally NO performance downgrade compared to the G6X version go watch the review its out already and on news outlets
For Adobe, if you forget to cancel by the renewal date, you have 10 days that counts as a trial period where you can cancel any time. Mention this next time, tell them you're in a trial period, and it's not for you.
Hey I wanted to clarify the 4080 and 4090D situation. I too have access to private cloud providers from Nvidia and the like. I can see which GPU's I'm using, however they're all tagged as 4080 in logging and identity software. As a test I decided to run a few tests and check the speccing, and surely enough the specs were perfectly in line with data-center oriented GPU's, not 4080. So it's most likely the case that for whatever reason the software that reports the tags is making a mistake. And those are just L40's, L40G's, and L40S's. Especially the latter might be tagged as 4090D.
Thanks! Will ask around and confirm. Edit: Another commenter suggests it's a 3090 Ti PCB with 4090 GPU and extra VRAM. This is also plausible and would work, especially in China. Not sure though if that's how it's actually built.
It is true that such misidentification does happen. I didn't see it with 4090D TBF, but I did see it with 4080 and 4090. Wendell should also know. I'm not even sure if I didn't see him or Patrick from STH share something like this. Likely latter, since he talked about L40's and whole family.
@@damianabregba7476 Because it doesn't have the same power budget "increase" relatively to 9950X. CFD is all core, max power load. Meaning that CPU will take as much power as it needs to boost as high as possible and will only throttle on temps and power available.
Typically Finite Volume CFD is memory bandwidth bound, which tends to be the opposite of something that benefits from AVX. But then I have sparse linear algebra in mind and compressible Euler is less likely to be solved with an implicit method requiring a sparse solver. Have you go insight into the algorithm under Rodinia CFD?
Yes, the doubled throughput for avx512 in zen5 comes at a power cost, so avx512 both explains the uplift, and the reduced uplift when the TDP limits things. People have commented on, and tests have redone on, power efficiency, but I'd much prefer benchmarks at similar TDPs. People looking at high CPU usage like video compression will use PBO anyway.
When it comes to CPU naming schemes nowadays its sounding more and more like how Jayztwocents used to say the names of CoolerMaster's products. Except instead of CoolerMaster master max core box max, it's any combination of X's, ultra and AI with a healthy amount of number jumble to drive home the semantic satiation.
5500X3D would be huge if it ends up being launched worldwide and at a decent price. And from the leaked specs I assume that maybe even a measly A520 could handle it.
im running a 5600 non-x in a asrock a320m-hdv r4.0 motherboard, absoulute bottom of the barrel with no problems, even running 3733mhz memory overclock. This board does support the 5600x3d according to the cpu support list so there will likely be a bios update for 5500x3d support.
Steam Deck doesn't have a regular driver update cadence on Windows. There are some small movement to run Mesa drivers on Windows and Steam Deck is the only device I can think of that will benefit from that. Outside of that nvk driver for nvidia is quite new addition to mesa, but I don't know how fully it is piped together with kernel drivers and all. Maybe they wait for it to mature a bit to release it to desktop too. Or they want to release their own this time Steam Machine 2.0 with VR headset and blackjack and hookers before that.
Eh, it used to be simpler, but Windows does lots of fancy pants stuff to the bootloader these days and that's before you get into secure boot and TPM shenanigans, so I expect it's as annoying as dualbooting an Intel macbook to run Linux used to be. "Oh, Mac OS has updated and I now have to rebuilt the whole bootloader again, yay" I expect they want something as 'zero touch' as possible for consumers, so they're probably looking at ways to integrate into what Windows does as cleanly as possible, without compromising the Windows side, either. Be a bit embarrassing if a Windows update broke SteamOS on a ROG ally. If SteamOS breaks Windows though, that might be legally actionable on Asus' part, in terms of clawing back costs of lost businesses if they refuse to do warranty repairs on them, or something equally Asus-like.
Great news this week. I really am excited about strix point in the upcoming handhelds. I’d love to get my hands on the GPD Pocket 4. GPD has been putting out some super interesting and clean looking handhelds.
I'm dual booting Win10 and Linux Mint. Pretty easy and prevents games requiring kernel level anticheat from embedding themselves on your system (e.g. Helldivers 2 and Game guard)
Am4 is the gift that just keeps giving, I can't remember a platform that remained this relevant for that long. AMD's nomenclature is confusing though, because the normal R5 5500 is quite cut down, while this X3D version looks like a 6 core version of the 5700X3D
TBF. The 5700X3D is a cut down version of the original AM4 X3D. The 5800X3D. 5700X3D = 5800X3D with lower clocks. 5600X3D = 5800X3D with lower clocks and 2 cores dissabled. 5500X3D = 5600X3D with even lower clocks. They all started there jurney with a goal to become a 5800X3D or a 5800X
@@Audiosan79 I think the point is that the 5500 wasn't just a down-rated 5600. The 5600 was the usual dual CPU/IO dual-die part, while the 5500 was a 6-core monolithic APU die with a failed GPU and only half the cache that was just sold as a regular CPU. It was salvage from a completely different product altogether with a confusing name, which is even more confusing now the X3D variant of that confusingly named 5500 failed-APU part actually IS a down-rated 5600X3D.... or is it? The 5600X3D was salvaged parts, but the production lines for those are likely so mature by now that AMD would need to just down-clock and laser-cut two cores off of otherwise perfectly healthy dies in order to satisfy global demand if they don't restrict availability...
If only it was nomal to have that kind of integrity about testing and provided data. Waiting to confirm your own data from multiple sides before making the public/validated, is great to see. For everyone else, please follow the standard.
The pocket SD card slot should be integrated, it is a shame to waste the ONLY extension slot on a single card reader. You can't have LTE modem and SD card at the same time?
Yup. The company doesn't care about you. Reward companies for doing good things by choosing their product. Punish them for doing bad things by choosing the competitor or nothing at all. Thats how all consumers should act.
True it's just a sign of like shallow and noob hardware enthusiasts who watch slop like LTT versus us men of culture who watch GN, I find a lot of folks just desperately try only to advocate for whatever they bought, as if their paranoia and phobia of anything approaching buyers remorse or other options besides exactly what their build has gives them such a high degree of irrational anxiety it completely clouds their judgement and distorts their behavior almost to the point that you would be better just trusting Amazon's recommendations... almost...
I was a big fan of EVGA at one point, even bought a bunch of EVGA shirts on sale to wear when I worked at Geek Squad lol cause I didn't like the other Tshirts I could wear, but then the way they screwed me on the Z690 Classified I paid $330 for on Amazon, which granted is like about 50% of MSRP, but I guess I dodged a bullet by them dropping BIOS support after that bastard CEO Andrew Han in his butthurt razing of his own company fired the Mobo and BIOS teams, because I couldn't upgrade to 14th gen, and I was going to buy a 13900KS as the price went down but then this news came out about 13/14th gen issues with esp the i9s, so now I am waiting for 9k Ryzen X3D... I really wanted to believe Intel was a good CPU choice for a hybrid of running engineering software because AMD is occasionally not so stable in the more niche stuff where they don't test AMD as much because of it's lower share of enterprise machines, as well as 1440p gaming, but yeah happy with my 12900K, got it discounted from Intel Retail Edge Program, going to be even happier building my new Ryzen PC, I had a few before, last was a 5800X3D which I gave to my pops as an upgrade for his AM4 PC... Anyway sleep deprived ADHD rant aside... F*ck loyalty to any hardware maker just get the stuff that seem reliable and in your budget and requirements at the time and trust only unbiased reviewers who aren't getting paid off!!!
Thanks Steve (and co) lol. It is so rare to get disclosure, research, investigative journalism, and from Magic nerd who speaks a dialect of Chinese... The breadth, depth, and humour of this channel is as amazing as the consistent output and integrity. Add to that all the brilliant staff working behind the scenes and extra time out in that we don't even get to know about. This is the stuff I want to support and reward. GN sets the bar. You should be so proud of every bit of success this channel has earned.
19:14 Hoping for the SteamOS running in Ayaneo Air or any smaller handhelds as the deck is a bit too large (although comfy) in my opinion and I like it better if the handheld is nearer to a PSP form factor.
Glad to see you're collaborating with Wendell for these verifications. After HUB's last "GPU benchmark" video that showed the 4060Ti out performing the 7900 XTX in the first 3 charts in the video, I wouldn't sully your rep with them at all.
I am tempted to get an Am4 as i am not to bothered about upgrade paths as i upgrade rarely...but a 5000x3d would be a massive upgrade on my current system plus the Am4 has been so well tested by now
Do it with how you’re talking sounds like it won’t be an issue for you! It is a dead platform quote on quote but I’m I just decided to go in house upgrades I thought about switching myself to am5 did the math and it a lot more sticking to am5 on top of having to build a whole new pc pretty much! I got an upgrade form an 3600 2060 super I got an 5700x3D and an 4080 super! And my game plays anything I throw at em at 4k maximum no problems! Anybody on am5 have way more powerful components than some might even need. I was able to squeeze an 4080 super by just staying am4 with the price savings
@lightest2385 cool and I only play at 1080p lol I got a 4060...not the best choice I know but the price I got it was a steal, I also have a lot of sata drives and noticed am5 was stingy on them, plus I can reuse my ddr memory
@@EastyyBlogspot the 4060 isn’t bad I’m pretty sure you can definitely play comfortably at 2k resolution in pretty sure my old 2060 super could of play 4k low settings I’m pretty confident the 4060 can do a lot! Mostly since you on the new dlss and stuff! My 2060 super was aging and starting to struggle😂 I just got an oled tv last year and wanted sometime to show it off in all it glory
Just ordered one of your Green silicon work mats! Thank you Steve! Comment for better engagement and whatnot but very stoked to use that mat for my builds of PCs, Gunpla and Warhammer, plus beyond that!
Windows on a handheld is hilarious, steam os finally getting officially blessed on other devices is a very good thing. Hurry the hell up valve and release a proper steam os distro, it's been valve time already.
@@silvio3d Look mate i've been on Linux for over a decade, my primary interest of any device is can I install Linux on it. Games I play run on most anything, always on Linux.
@@silvio3d almost every game is "a small number". When in fact Linux runs more games than Windows 11 since many older games don't run on Win11 but work fine on SteamOS. Nice try.
Wow, 4090 D with 48GB for 2500$ is not to bad at all. Guys are filling their PC with 3-4 4090 just to get more memory to be able to run bigger models. These would make that way easier.
@@Shadow__133 There is no limit. The bigger the memory the stronger the reasoning and depth in the model in all aspects. If you can get more memory you can make bigger and better models. This will help with the whole ecosystem. Including all those who run smaller trained on versions of the big models. Right now there models over twice of those 4 48GB cards. And those are not even out yet for "consumer" prices. By the end of the year I bet we will see even larger models available. The data those models are distilled from is enormous.
For the average consumer, motherboards are not that expensive. I would never buy a new CPU for a 8 year old MB, RAM and hardware. The longevity of a platforms upsides are subjective at best.
Meh. Once a motherboard makes it to 8 years.. it'll last another 8. I get the concern if you use it for work but gamers just want frames for a decent price. Age is irrelevant
@@christophermullins7163 Meh? I'm running a i7-12700 DDr4 MB. In 8 years when DDR6 or DDR7 is available I'll be ditching the the motherboard and running the newest RAM and CPU. And stomping your FPS into the ground, so theres that.
I run an unraid server with a 5950x cpu, that I game on frequently. so high core count, decent gaming performance is what I care about. Glad you still test these parts in gaming
Due to a short supply of GDDR6X. I don't know the details but it appears that there aren't enough GDDR6X dies, so the remaining ones are more expensive. In other words, nvidia is saving the most amount of money possible on a 600$ card. Pretty typical of Nvidia
A 48GB 4090 for $2500 is actually an insanely good deal. If anyone knows how I can get my hands on one of these I'm ready to buy it IMMEDIATELY. Yes, I need the VRAM. No, not for gaming.
I create my own proprietary art and photography models, experimental scripts and workflows for Stable Diffusion and, now, FP16 Flux with guidance embedding disabled (basically close to what Flux Pro is), and the struggle is real. I was about the pull the trigger on an A6000 but then I saw these 48GB 4090's exist, so now I'm doin a wait&see.
@@roo1538 Why not? Sanctions don't prevent GPU's being shipped from China, and I assume the Chinese aren't the only people on the planet that can transplant DDR modules on a 4090. I'm gonna ask @northwestrepair and a few other people, because this mod is in massive demand right now. There are a ton of us that need it and are willing to pay for it.
If you hate Capitalism that much, maybe you should join the party that wants to get rid of it, anyway, the government should not do anything, the consumer has only themselves to blame. In the free market, everything profitable, is justified, it may not be morally correct but the market economy was never about morals, it was always about profits.
@@SMGJohn And thats supposed to be a good argument against government interference? Because its the status quo of free market capitalism we should just take it? Frick the free market if what corpos can get away with is the result of that. American capitalism is a plague that only benefits the top 1%, i dont understand why normal people defend it still.
@@Gnarfendorf Dude, just cancel the subscription after buying it. That's literally how you defeat auto subs. Just don't be an idiot and do a single click.
No thanks keep it up please Steve. I already watch him now at 2x. If i could I would use 3x. And I used to back when modded UA-cam Apps worked. I am not a native speaker. You get use to it. You know if you want him to talk slower. You can just activate the 0.75x or 0.5x speed, right?
@@FalloutPL I am not flexing, I was explaining from the other side about using the inbuilt speed control to solve your problem. I like to consume lots of information fast, because then I can consume more information in my valuable time. If he talks slower it will take longer to watch his videos. I don't like that, that is why I watch them faster. And that is why I asked him to not do what you asked. You already have your solution to run the video slower if you actually need to, you are just lazy to use the option. And as I said you will likely improve with time.
Use case, compile and run in fat docker containers with separate builder and runner containers. So think build a virtual environment of coupled components inside containers and inter container across multiple running alongside an entire dev environment. We use multi core systems to build and smoke test this way. Compilation tests and concurrent container environments.
I'm glad to see you featuring Louis Rossman so much, he's such a great consumer advocate. But he spends all of his time angry at the injustices of corporations and needs a friend.
Wow, good to see a single use-case where you get a substantial improvement switching from Ryzen 7000 to 9000, but I wonder what drives this massive uplift in 9950x - 7950x was 32% faster than 7900x, somewhat linear to core count increase, but 9950x is 55% faster than 9900x and 33% than 7950x, while 9900x gets only 10% increase compared to 7900x. I would guess that TDP comes into play - 9950x, 7950x and 7900x have 170W TDP, 9900X has it clipped to 120 W. Perhaps you might consider 9900x results as "nerfed" or rerun this with normalized TDP (all set to 120 or all to 170) to compare apples to apples. I'm down for 5500X3D, if it comes to Poland, that would be a hell of a fun to bench.
About the service thing. 100% correct, I worked for an ecom company that stopped you every time you wanted to cancel. You HAD to call. They did this on purpose to make it inconvenient and then upsell/retain you. This is by design I promise you.
On the 5500X3D: while I definitely don't have any insights into the real AMD production constraints, I can imagine that while CCDs and IODs can be kept around without packaging for a while so volumes can be shifted between EPYC and Ryzen parts a bit after the initial waves have been made and sold. But the decision between making a CCD a V-cache enabled part needs to be done a little earlier, especially since TMSC is doing that part, too, while packaging is done elsewhere, potentially far away in distance and time. I also keep hearing that TMSC is often enough storing dies that aren't quite finished for their customers and potentially for a rather long time in order to optimize money flow e.g. for taxation reasons or stock market reporting. So if these are stored dies manufactured long ago or if these are batches of wafers newly started, if these were already packaded or freshly made... I'd love to know just out of curiosity, but that's obviously privileged information. The really cool aspect of how AMD does its business is that they have plenty of options and a large degree of flexibility, but also plenty of places where things can go wrong or bottlenecks can pop up. the logistics around product launch and supply have gotten way more complex than with monolithic dies! And actually I was surprised to see that 6-core V-cache CCDs were actually made... First off AMD most likely needs to start with some of the best (voltage) bins for V-cache CCDs, because they need all the thermal headroom they can get. Now if these lesser V-cache CCDs are then the result of non-perfect cache die mountings ruining some previously near perfect chips, or if they are in fact lesser chips originally allocated to go into some custom EPYC niche, I simply have no way of knowing. But at scale quite a lot of niches have customers ready to pay a bit of premium and rumors has V-cache really make a difference in some HPC workloads. Somehow it doesn't seem all that likely that they set out to create 5500X3D chips from the start, to me it really looks like leftover inventory being swept up and out where packaging and thus the choice between EPYC and Ryzen is something they can do much later than die manufacturing and where niche V-cache EPYC parts are much less likely to have market value (while stock guarantees needed to be met until around now).
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Steam OS on ROG Ally nice!
Gotta say, following all these sponsorships I've now tried Kryonaut and Aeronaut. Both were very disappointing. Kryonaut got my GPU into the mid 80s after a year and Aeronauts max temp was already at 81°C. Both were significantly worse than the cheap chinese stuff for under 5 bucks in a huge tub (GD-2) which got my GPU down to 77°C max. Even tried them back to back on the same day cause I couldn't believe it. I originally bought the GD-2 for my 3D printer but it ended up trumping both of these very expensive Thermal Grizzly pastes on my PC as well. Turned out to be quite the waste of money when I thought these ought to be excellent.
8:49 - Lmao.
Golden Mango. I can't stop laughing. "golden m4 ng 0..."
Love your videos bud, keep on keepin on. What you do with NO BIASE'S IS SIMPLY AMAZING THANKS my mans!
Your last vid reminded me that I'd missed the efficiency deep dive, so I went back and watched it-it's really good! Nice to see the uplift-or lack thereof-expressed concretely as frames per second per Joule-per-second (this is cheeky but not sarcastic-that is the *objectively correct* unit).
This is the year 2040, amd has just released the brand new 5350XTX3DXT
you forgot the "+" at the end^^
And ”AI Turbo“ at the start
From xfx
No AI in it ,? Can't be true .
Love it, can't wait 😎
AMD does some nonsense that makes everyone mad.
AMD: Time to release another AM4 CPU.
I last upgraded my rig in summer 2022, and I always planned to skip AM5 and stick with my 5900X for the duration.
But if AMD ever decided to go "f*** it, let's put those prototypes into production" and released a 5950X3D, I'd probably jump on it.
Time to cram a bunch of AM4 cores into an AM5 die and call it a year.
@@GSBarlev This September coming up and it's 5 years since I last upgraded, by far the longest I've not upgraded which is usually every 3 or so years.
But the irony is in all this, my hardware isn't really struggling with new games and I see little reason to need to upgrade and I'm not going to upgrade because they want me to upgrade, there needs to be a solid reason to upgrade with software doing things we can't do on older hardware, but I will admit, I will have upgraded by now if these companies didn't get so greedy over the last few years, especially in the gpu market, and it's probably that greed on why hardware is lasting much longer as far more are holding onto there existing hardware much longer and developers will always target what most can afford.
To be fair, 4k/120 is helping a lot when I'm fine with playing games at 1080p/60, it also helps with all these upscaling tech and frame gen, but that is another avenue to extend the life of my PC, but in any case, I suspect I've got another 2 years with this rig before I have to upgrade if I want to play the latest games.
Reminds me of the socket 7 days.
@@GSBarlev I started with the 3600 just when it came out, relatively recently upgraded to 5800X3D because I found it super cheap (less than 5700X at the same store). I probably waiting for AM6 or something. I'm more than happy with my current rig.
The year is 2124, society has moved on from the need for silicon. AMD has announced their new cpu, the 5675x3D, a more efficient version of the 5650x3D
with only a 35w tdp!
@@FiveMissiles by that time it better be at 0.34 watt tdp
this is how you build reputation, not like Intel with a different platform every generation
With silver traces on a sapphire substrate for optimum performance and thermals
@@ChrisGR93_TxS Intel has been doing OK in terms of platform usage lately. LGA 1700 has survived 12th gen, 13th gen, and 14th gen. The processors themselves don't appear to be surviving though 😆
AM4 is gonna live forever
It does seem that way!
I don't see where they go from here. I don't think that a 5400x3d or 5300x3d would sell well or even be worth the effort
One day in a far future my grandchildren will upgrade their AM4 system for the 27th time.
@@Takintomoriinb4 5950x3d reveal
@@Apollowram "the new Ryzen 5 10600... for the AM4"
at this point AM4 is really going to outlive the AM5 architecture 😭
Seems like it, performance is all that matters if gaming is your priority with PC.
Honestly AM4 will die when AM6 is a thing and then AM5 will hopefully serve the same role as AM4 but for AM6.
I'm honestly all for it
@@the_spicy_orange Now that would be something I'd be hyped for
@@bjarnis Nah I like stability. If I truly need something faster for work, then fully understandable. Though x3D chips have been great for gaming. Might actually see something that can run 1000 fps for once.
Calling Louis Rossmann your anger translator really got me LOL
Louis Rossmann is probebly getting on the industry leaders' nerves in just the right ways. He can be so bitchy in his videos, and I am so here for it.
being bitchy is part of a job as consumer advocate, i think.
To Steve's line at 14:44, I think Louis is the "Anger Translator" for _all_ of us rn.
Rossman is a good dude
He says what we're all thinking.
He finds a way to be both insufferable and right.
"Dammit Jim, I'm a reviewer, not a doctor"
The amount of obvious spambot posts when a video is freshly uploaded is unreal. UA-cam needs to step up with their antispam algorithms.
UA-cam: but we need engagement
@@GamersNexus 😂
At the same time, UA-cam occasionally deletes my posts right away, and I have no idea why.
Unfortunately, UA-cam would much rather have engagement for their unblockable ads. It's quickly becoming an ad platform instead of A video sharing platform...
Yes but... in a better way than they did... Right now it's rather frustrating if you engage a discussion and every other comment you post just gets deleted because some dumb algo decides you're a bot... Had the absolute majority of my comments being deleted for months - I know its just an anti bot mechanism, but it impacts like censorship.
AM4 Will outlive AM6
Just don't buy any used AM4 motherboards...
@@pirojfmifhghek566 ???
There should be a "days since an AM4 announcement" counter every time you get news about an AMD CPU
its ok to pirate Adobe
It's ok to pirate many things in the state that society and companies are today.
and it's morally correct to pirate Disney contents.
@@Dan-rt6bc And that is just a waste of space.
@@Dan-rt6bc wth would you wanna do that?
Yes
calling Louis an anger translator is so on-point.
I came from the future, this is the year 2054, AMD has just announced the 1700x3d, and rumors of a 1600x3d and 1500x3d.
My hypothesis with AM4 is that motherboard manufacturers wanted revenge on AMD for keeping such a long support of AM4 platform and made AM5 motherboards ridiculously overpriced which greatly hurt AMD's CPU sales. AMD got angry so they keep releasing AM4 CPUs as revenge to their revenge.
So, A motherbord manufackturer can sell the same bord at the same price for 5 years, is worse then selling it for 3 years? Were did you get that logic? They do have a cost of developing the boards. And after they made that cost back, it's pure profitt. It's better to keep selling those boards then to start over again. If you buy a new board with your upgrade, then you're selling you're old board. The person that buys your old board will not be buying a new board. So sales wise, it is 1-1=0.
Also. Where i live, AM4 motherboards are often as expencive or even MORE expencive than the AM5 conterparts.
@@Audiosan79 You can sell new shiny stuff with higher margin or old stuff with lower margin. The logic is simple.
MOBO manufacturers tried to force AMD to NOT prolong AM4 support what didn't happen. Pricing now is much better than it was 2 years ago. But at the beginning pricing was crazy for far too long (over a year AFAIK) hurting AMD and at the same time MOBO manufacturers. They didn't play it well and AMD outplayed them. In the end they want to make money so they WILL sell those AM4 motherboards because now they have to keep cash coming in somehow.
@@ilove2learn783 It normal that new things are more expencive when it first hit the marked. But it has little to do with margins. It has to do with development cost and the timeframe they have to make that money back. Also, it was the exact same thing with DDR5. Do you want to use the same exuse on that one too? Or maybe that was a revange act aganst Intel for supporting both DDR4 and DDR5 for 2 gens? Get real.
If motherboard manufackturers were to force AMD off of AM4. they would keep there AM4 boards high and lower there AM5 board prices. Not the other way around.
Silicon Wafer Rising: Revengeance
@@ilove2learn783It's actually the other way around. AMD tried to force MOBO manufacturers FROM updating the BIOS to support newer AM4 CPUs, even though they could support them just fine. Eventually AMD reversed course after much outcry.
14:45 Louis translated it to fluent angry New Yorker
I love AM4...it's brought decent CPU performance to a lot of people on a tight budget, especially the huge second hand market created by people having so much choice for upgrades. I hosted a LAN last weekend and 11/12 of the people attending had AM4, ranging from a 1600, to a 5600X. They did us good...
Unfortunately they dropped the ryzen 3s so if you are low end you can't buy current gen anymore
A few years back I bought a 3600 with the intention of upgrading to a second-hand 5900 or 5950 later. After they announced the second x3d part I decided to hold out a bit longer and see what they're cooking up. AM4 continues to be a great platform lol
@@Blade_of_Tomoe yeahh it's a bit weirding me out how none of these 'consumer' focused reviewers are talking about that
quietly increasing the price of all their cpus by removing the lowest and adding a new highest
3200g was so good
@@ThylineTheGay The Ryzen 5 5500 currently costs the same as the launch price of 3200g ($99). The highest end gaming CPU 7800x3D is less than $400. Prices are currently very good.
@@ColdMoongg note the missing 'G' a decent igpu is _vital_ for it to actually be a low end part
Aren't the double VRAM 4090s frankensteined locally from 3090s, where physically increasing VRAM hasn't been locked off yet?
iirc its a 4090 core on a 3090ti pcb with alternate vram chips, because for some fucking reason all of that is mechanically possible at the same time
@@quantum5661 wasnt the 3090ti like a beta version of the 4090 to test things maybe thats why?
@@quantum5661 unintentional socketed GPU
@@diabolesit was to make sure that they could supply the wattage and have viable thermals. The 3090ti board has better voltage regulation too.
Yeah, I was thinking the same -- this isn't from (major/legit) board partners or officially from nVidia but frankensteined boards in China because they're desperate to do whatever they can to reclaim more affordable GPU's for AI training and the like.
AM4 5800X3D is our 2020s Intel i5 2500k.
lols i still have my intel 2700k xD
@@doubledigital_ amazing how well 2nd gen i7s held up
Yup, I'm not changing that bad boy unless they pay me to.
I had my i5-2500k till early this year, basic overclock to 4.3GHz. People told me there was no way it would serve me for very long but it was still chugging along fine! If I can find a place to use it I will!
@@doubledigital_oh god just upgrade already. I saw huge gains going from my 2700k to 1st Gen Ryzen. I hated how stuttery games felt on that cpu back in 2017, I could only imagine what it’s like now. Go grab a 7800x3d and sit on it for 8 years lol
The year is 2040 AMD just released the 5950x3d Z1 Extreme Black edition 😮
base clock at 6,9 GHz, boosts to 9,001 GHz
not enough X's in the name of the cpu
5969(nice)Extreme Black Edition 3DXTX
Remember, Valve doesn't make their money on selling Steam Decks. They make their money selling games. So having other companies' handhelds running SteamOS ties them a bit tighter to the Steam ecosystem, which means more Steam game sales. Also, Valve may be putting in the work for software support for the next generation Steam Deck. Win-win-win!
That and all their work on the steam deck carries over to other RDNA cards under linux.
My 5700xt was so fucking stable under linux AND I COULD GO READ WHAT WAS WRONG WITH IT STRAIGHT FROM VALVE AND AMD engineers and now that im on a 4070 super i miss it. I'm having to wait for Nvidia's support staff to give me any update on them fixing VRR.
Wait, where am I winning? Valve is tightening their monopoly on PC gaming, the desktop client has gotten worse with each update designed to make it more like Steam Deck, my library is constantly full of ads, community features are useless because of spam and right wing bigots that don't get moderated, games are tied to Steam DRM instead of being DRM free on GOG.
Valve is winning, customers are losing.
@@mjc0961nobody said customers were winning or losing either one.
@@mjc0961 hi timmy, still mad your store flopped?
I was curious why nvidia needed to downgrade to gddr6 on the 4070, and an article by digital trends on July 30, 2024 titled "The storm clouds for another GPU shortage are brewing " says "It appears that a batch of GDDR6X memory, made by Micron, failed to pass various quality checks. That’s pretty disastrous, as the entire batch is said to be good for nothing but being replaced. Take this with some skepticism, though, as it all appears to be a rumor - albeit from what seems to be a credible source." That must have been a hell of a big batch.
That's what I've been reading, too: GDDR6X is in short supply so they're downgrading to what they're able to get.
@@abufrejoval And I'm sure nvidia won't pass the savings from the lower price of gddr6 to the consumer but they'll be sure to keep calling it a 4070 to make people think they're getting the original unless they know exactly what to look for which the majority don't. That's sleazy of them to do this. They should call it a 4069 or something. The general public doesn't know the difference between gddr6 and gddr6x. You're sleazy nvidia!
That's pretty horrific, considering we NEED cards with more than 8gb of onboard ram.
Tests have shown how severely gimped 8gb cards are nowadays, and even as little as 2 more gb can make a massive difference.
@@AC3handle Yes, and I'd feel like nvidia would be being less sleazy if instead of swapping out gddr6x that has dwindling stock with gddr6 on the 4070 while probably not lowering the price, if they would use slower gddr6 but give extra ram. That would be a worthwhile trade I suppose but I know I'm dreaming.
@@pf100andahalf lol you just wanna hate and dunk on Nvidia for the FOMO and hate train do you, the new G6 4070 is literally using tweaked G6 and there's literally NO performance downgrade compared to the G6X version go watch the review its out already and on news outlets
For Adobe, if you forget to cancel by the renewal date, you have 10 days that counts as a trial period where you can cancel any time. Mention this next time, tell them you're in a trial period, and it's not for you.
Hey I wanted to clarify the 4080 and 4090D situation. I too have access to private cloud providers from Nvidia and the like. I can see which GPU's I'm using, however they're all tagged as 4080 in logging and identity software. As a test I decided to run a few tests and check the speccing, and surely enough the specs were perfectly in line with data-center oriented GPU's, not 4080. So it's most likely the case that for whatever reason the software that reports the tags is making a mistake. And those are just L40's, L40G's, and L40S's. Especially the latter might be tagged as 4090D.
Thanks! Will ask around and confirm. Edit: Another commenter suggests it's a 3090 Ti PCB with 4090 GPU and extra VRAM. This is also plausible and would work, especially in China. Not sure though if that's how it's actually built.
This is interesting. Please show us more evidence on your claim.
It is true that such misidentification does happen. I didn't see it with 4090D TBF, but I did see it with 4080 and 4090. Wendell should also know. I'm not even sure if I didn't see him or Patrick from STH share something like this. Likely latter, since he talked about L40's and whole family.
Steve + Louis collabs ar a bundle of joy to watch
3:47 the speedup probably comes from AVX-512
But 9900x doesn't have this level of speedup.
@@damianabregba7476 Because it doesn't have the same power budget "increase" relatively to 9950X. CFD is all core, max power load. Meaning that CPU will take as much power as it needs to boost as high as possible and will only throttle on temps and power available.
Typically Finite Volume CFD is memory bandwidth bound, which tends to be the opposite of something that benefits from AVX. But then I have sparse linear algebra in mind and compressible Euler is less likely to be solved with an implicit method requiring a sparse solver. Have you go insight into the algorithm under Rodinia CFD?
Yes, the doubled throughput for avx512 in zen5 comes at a power cost, so avx512 both explains the uplift, and the reduced uplift when the TDP limits things. People have commented on, and tests have redone on, power efficiency, but I'd much prefer benchmarks at similar TDPs. People looking at high CPU usage like video compression will use PBO anyway.
When it comes to CPU naming schemes nowadays its sounding more and more like how Jayztwocents used to say the names of CoolerMaster's products. Except instead of CoolerMaster master max core box max, it's any combination of X's, ultra and AI with a healthy amount of number jumble to drive home the semantic satiation.
XFX RX 7900 XTX
That smile at 1.08 , when mentioning Adobe :D
As an engineer, I must thank you for pronouncing "Euler" correctly.
JuLer
You-ler
Nope. "Oiler".
Uh-lur
AMD is apparently determined to X3D every AM4 cpu they ever released. Can’t wait for them to release the 3800X3D
Why not?
Can't wait to get my hands on a Ryzen 3 5300x3d next year.
There is a mod using a 3090 Ti with a AD102 Core and soldered mem chips on the back of the board.
5500X3D would be huge if it ends up being launched worldwide and at a decent price. And from the leaked specs I assume that maybe even a measly A520 could handle it.
Worldwide launch is the key. If they do another Microcenter launch then it's another product that doesn't exist for over 99% of people.
im running a 5600 non-x in a asrock a320m-hdv r4.0 motherboard, absoulute bottom of the barrel with no problems, even running 3733mhz memory overclock. This board does support the 5600x3d according to the cpu support list so there will likely be a bios update for 5500x3d support.
Steam devs : Dual booting is still a priority for us but we haven't gotten around to implement it just yet.
Me : Define priority
In the meantime you can check out 3rd party SteamOS clones. Like Bazzite or nobara
Steam Deck doesn't have a regular driver update cadence on Windows. There are some small movement to run Mesa drivers on Windows and Steam Deck is the only device I can think of that will benefit from that.
Outside of that nvk driver for nvidia is quite new addition to mesa, but I don't know how fully it is piped together with kernel drivers and all.
Maybe they wait for it to mature a bit to release it to desktop too.
Or they want to release their own this time Steam Machine 2.0 with VR headset and blackjack and hookers before that.
@@damianabregba7476mesa drivers on windows?? Huh?
Id like to introduce you refind, its a single command to install on your disk, uefi, whatever it goes to xpp.
Eh, it used to be simpler, but Windows does lots of fancy pants stuff to the bootloader these days and that's before you get into secure boot and TPM shenanigans, so I expect it's as annoying as dualbooting an Intel macbook to run Linux used to be.
"Oh, Mac OS has updated and I now have to rebuilt the whole bootloader again, yay"
I expect they want something as 'zero touch' as possible for consumers, so they're probably looking at ways to integrate into what Windows does as cleanly as possible, without compromising the Windows side, either.
Be a bit embarrassing if a Windows update broke SteamOS on a ROG ally. If SteamOS breaks Windows though, that might be legally actionable on Asus' part, in terms of clawing back costs of lost businesses if they refuse to do warranty repairs on them, or something equally Asus-like.
Great news this week. I really am excited about strix point in the upcoming handhelds. I’d love to get my hands on the GPD Pocket 4. GPD has been putting out some super interesting and clean looking handhelds.
Hopefully they get a steamos for desktop before windows10 end of support
I'm dual booting Win10 and Linux Mint. Pretty easy and prevents games requiring kernel level anticheat from embedding themselves on your system (e.g. Helldivers 2 and Game guard)
Thanks for the news update Steve. Now, back to you.
Am4 is the gift that just keeps giving, I can't remember a platform that remained this relevant for that long. AMD's nomenclature is confusing though, because the normal R5 5500 is quite cut down, while this X3D version looks like a 6 core version of the 5700X3D
TBF. The 5700X3D is a cut down version of the original AM4 X3D. The 5800X3D. 5700X3D = 5800X3D with lower clocks. 5600X3D = 5800X3D with lower clocks and 2 cores dissabled. 5500X3D = 5600X3D with even lower clocks. They all started there jurney with a goal to become a 5800X3D or a 5800X
@@Audiosan79 I think the point is that the 5500 wasn't just a down-rated 5600. The 5600 was the usual dual CPU/IO dual-die part, while the 5500 was a 6-core monolithic APU die with a failed GPU and only half the cache that was just sold as a regular CPU. It was salvage from a completely different product altogether with a confusing name, which is even more confusing now the X3D variant of that confusingly named 5500 failed-APU part actually IS a down-rated 5600X3D.... or is it? The 5600X3D was salvaged parts, but the production lines for those are likely so mature by now that AMD would need to just down-clock and laser-cut two cores off of otherwise perfectly healthy dies in order to satisfy global demand if they don't restrict availability...
as a CFD and FSI methodology engineer, thank you for including Rodinia!
Thank you for covering #sinkclose!
If only it was nomal to have that kind of integrity about testing and provided data. Waiting to confirm your own data from multiple sides before making the public/validated, is great to see. For everyone else, please follow the standard.
The pocket SD card slot should be integrated, it is a shame to waste the ONLY extension slot on a single card reader. You can't have LTE modem and SD card at the same time?
8:35 Space comma!
Thanks Steve.
The amd vulnerability thing just shows me why fanboyism is stupid on both sides of the cpu fanboy war.
Yup. The company doesn't care about you.
Reward companies for doing good things by choosing their product. Punish them for doing bad things by choosing the competitor or nothing at all. Thats how all consumers should act.
True it's just a sign of like shallow and noob hardware enthusiasts who watch slop like LTT versus us men of culture who watch GN, I find a lot of folks just desperately try only to advocate for whatever they bought, as if their paranoia and phobia of anything approaching buyers remorse or other options besides exactly what their build has gives them such a high degree of irrational anxiety it completely clouds their judgement and distorts their behavior almost to the point that you would be better just trusting Amazon's recommendations... almost...
@@Erowens98 Preferably choose nothing at all. Consumerism is how we destroyed climate equilibrium to begin with
I was a big fan of EVGA at one point, even bought a bunch of EVGA shirts on sale to wear when I worked at Geek Squad lol cause I didn't like the other Tshirts I could wear, but then the way they screwed me on the Z690 Classified I paid $330 for on Amazon, which granted is like about 50% of MSRP, but I guess I dodged a bullet by them dropping BIOS support after that bastard CEO Andrew Han in his butthurt razing of his own company fired the Mobo and BIOS teams, because I couldn't upgrade to 14th gen, and I was going to buy a 13900KS as the price went down but then this news came out about 13/14th gen issues with esp the i9s, so now I am waiting for 9k Ryzen X3D...
I really wanted to believe Intel was a good CPU choice for a hybrid of running engineering software because AMD is occasionally not so stable in the more niche stuff where they don't test AMD as much because of it's lower share of enterprise machines, as well as 1440p gaming, but yeah happy with my 12900K, got it discounted from Intel Retail Edge Program, going to be even happier building my new Ryzen PC, I had a few before, last was a 5800X3D which I gave to my pops as an upgrade for his AM4 PC...
Anyway sleep deprived ADHD rant aside... F*ck loyalty to any hardware maker just get the stuff that seem reliable and in your budget and requirements at the time and trust only unbiased reviewers who aren't getting paid off!!!
Spoken like a true paid ARM shill
Steve Steve!!!! Your steel/copper mugs are delivered .... awesome!!!!
12:47 Bruh, why is he logging in as root user to update packages and then using sudo anyway?
Well he is also using the tablet upside down so...
Thanks Steve (and co) lol. It is so rare to get disclosure, research, investigative journalism, and from Magic nerd who speaks a dialect of Chinese... The breadth, depth, and humour of this channel is as amazing as the consistent output and integrity. Add to that all the brilliant staff working behind the scenes and extra time out in that we don't even get to know about.
This is the stuff I want to support and reward. GN sets the bar. You should be so proud of every bit of success this channel has earned.
19:14 Hoping for the SteamOS running in Ayaneo Air or any smaller handhelds as the deck is a bit too large (although comfy) in my opinion and I like it better if the handheld is nearer to a PSP form factor.
Don't think there's enough coffee/sugar for me - Can't listen as fast as Steve talks 😝😲
AMD might as well get started on backporting Zen 4 to AM4 at this point.
Glad to see you're collaborating with Wendell for these verifications. After HUB's last "GPU benchmark" video that showed the 4060Ti out performing the 7900 XTX in the first 3 charts in the video, I wouldn't sully your rep with them at all.
Waiting for the 5950x3D.
but made out of bad dies that failed Ryzen 10000 tests
now with even crazier thermals
@@Mugnum_ No, Zen 6 dies are 16c/die.
That “space comma” felt incredibly personal
I am tempted to get an Am4 as i am not to bothered about upgrade paths as i upgrade rarely...but a 5000x3d would be a massive upgrade on my current system plus the Am4 has been so well tested by now
Do it with how you’re talking sounds like it won’t be an issue for you! It is a dead platform quote on quote but I’m I just decided to go in house upgrades I thought about switching myself to am5 did the math and it a lot more sticking to am5 on top of having to build a whole new pc pretty much! I got an upgrade form an 3600 2060 super I got an 5700x3D and an 4080 super! And my game plays anything I throw at em at 4k maximum no problems! Anybody on am5 have way more powerful components than some might even need. I was able to squeeze an 4080 super by just staying am4 with the price savings
@lightest2385 cool and I only play at 1080p lol I got a 4060...not the best choice I know but the price I got it was a steal, I also have a lot of sata drives and noticed am5 was stingy on them, plus I can reuse my ddr memory
@@EastyyBlogspot the 4060 isn’t bad I’m pretty sure you can definitely play comfortably at 2k resolution in pretty sure my old 2060 super could of play 4k low settings I’m pretty confident the 4060 can do a lot! Mostly since you on the new dlss and stuff! My 2060 super was aging and starting to struggle😂 I just got an oled tv last year and wanted sometime to show it off in all it glory
@@lightest2385can I buy your R5 3600 and 2060?
@@derekisthematrix
14:36 Louis is awesome. Glad he speaks his mind so candidly. Rock on, Louis. 🍻
12:00 -> Revenge of the Netbooks
I always look forward to these news videos. I love watching them while I cook.
R3 5300X3D is going to be coming at this rate
Hey! Been waiting for about a month but you've finally righted your GN logo coaster that was upside down for so long!
Just ordered one of your Green silicon work mats! Thank you Steve! Comment for better engagement and whatnot but very stoked to use that mat for my builds of PCs, Gunpla and Warhammer, plus beyond that!
Thank you! Hope you like working on it!
There's one thing I will always love about HW News space comma and it's the writing.
14:17
all I can picture is a goblin in World of Warcraft saying "time is money, friend!"
Always has been
Never mess with a goblin, when debt is on the line! - Gazlowe
I could have sworn, I saw the Quest 3 in Ghost in the Shell!
What would happen if Steve was 1 year without technology, in the forest? He would be so lost when I'd come back
I like the new increases in fast paced below the radar humor. Keep it up 👍
Windows on a handheld is hilarious, steam os finally getting officially blessed on other devices is a very good thing. Hurry the hell up valve and release a proper steam os distro, it's been valve time already.
valve os support only a small number of game windows is every tyme the best os in this hardware
@@silvio3d Look mate i've been on Linux for over a decade, my primary interest of any device is can I install Linux on it. Games I play run on most anything, always on Linux.
@@silvio3d almost every game is "a small number". When in fact Linux runs more games than Windows 11 since many older games don't run on Win11 but work fine on SteamOS. Nice try.
I've loved all the recent crossovers between you and Mr. Rossmann.
Wow, 4090 D with 48GB for 2500$ is not to bad at all. Guys are filling their PC with 3-4 4090 just to get more memory to be able to run bigger models. These would make that way easier.
192gb of GPU on a single consumer CPU. 🔥🔥
Jaysus, how big a model are you running? Claudia Shiffer? 😂
@@Shadow__133 There is no limit. The bigger the memory the stronger the reasoning and depth in the model in all aspects.
If you can get more memory you can make bigger and better models. This will help with the whole ecosystem. Including all those who run smaller trained on versions of the big models. Right now there models over twice of those 4 48GB cards.
And those are not even out yet for "consumer" prices.
By the end of the year I bet we will see even larger models available.
The data those models are distilled from is enormous.
Perfect for people to generate a full erotic novel within the day 😂😂😂
I love how Louis Rossman can always put the anger of all of us in a very understandable way.
For the average consumer, motherboards are not that expensive. I would never buy a new CPU for a 8 year old MB, RAM and hardware. The longevity of a platforms upsides are subjective at best.
Meh. Once a motherboard makes it to 8 years.. it'll last another 8. I get the concern if you use it for work but gamers just want frames for a decent price. Age is irrelevant
@@christophermullins7163 Meh? I'm running a i7-12700 DDr4 MB. In 8 years when DDR6 or DDR7 is available I'll be ditching the the motherboard and running the newest RAM and CPU. And stomping your FPS into the ground, so theres that.
I run an unraid server with a 5950x cpu, that I game on frequently. so high core count, decent gaming performance is what I care about. Glad you still test these parts in gaming
20:23 - But why would Nvidia do that?
Due to a short supply of GDDR6X.
I don't know the details but it appears that there aren't enough GDDR6X dies, so the remaining ones are more expensive. In other words, nvidia is saving the most amount of money possible on a 600$ card. Pretty typical of Nvidia
@@lucazani2730 wait, does nvidia supply the ram modules for partner boards?
@@damianich4824 Yes, for quite a while the "partners" aren't allowed to use any other memory
@@Krymzonnet huh, I had no idea
I hate how much I love tiny laptops. Pocket 4 looks sweet!
A 48GB 4090 for $2500 is actually an insanely good deal. If anyone knows how I can get my hands on one of these I'm ready to buy it IMMEDIATELY. Yes, I need the VRAM. No, not for gaming.
May I ask what you’re planning to do with it? LLMs?
I create my own proprietary art and photography models, experimental scripts and workflows for Stable Diffusion and, now, FP16 Flux with guidance embedding disabled (basically close to what Flux Pro is), and the struggle is real. I was about the pull the trigger on an A6000 but then I saw these 48GB 4090's exist, so now I'm doin a wait&see.
@@xilix sorry but it's not happening
@@xilix gamers done have a clue what you said but I'm glad you know.
@@roo1538 Why not? Sanctions don't prevent GPU's being shipped from China, and I assume the Chinese aren't the only people on the planet that can transplant DDR modules on a 4090. I'm gonna ask @northwestrepair and a few other people, because this mod is in massive demand right now. There are a ton of us that need it and are willing to pay for it.
15:03 Sounds more interesting than most things Marvel had put out before Deadpool & Wolverine.
Ryzen 4070 luckily is immune to any downgrades
JOKE IS DEAD
@@d9zirableidk where it came from but.. I've seen about 100 comments. It is indeed dead.
@@d9zirableRyzen 4070 will live forever
15:09 Got to see that movie!! HA!! "The Unsubscribers!!!"
the govt should flat out BAN Auto subscribing and make it illegal for software of any kind gaming included to be ONLINE only.
Why? It's got nothing to do with the government. Just don't buy crap.
If you hate Capitalism that much, maybe you should join the party that wants to get rid of it, anyway, the government should not do anything, the consumer has only themselves to blame.
In the free market, everything profitable, is justified, it may not be morally correct but the market economy was never about morals, it was always about profits.
Please don’t advocate for the government to control anything
@@SMGJohn And thats supposed to be a good argument against government interference? Because its the status quo of free market capitalism we should just take it? Frick the free market if what corpos can get away with is the result of that. American capitalism is a plague that only benefits the top 1%, i dont understand why normal people defend it still.
@@Gnarfendorf Dude, just cancel the subscription after buying it. That's literally how you defeat auto subs. Just don't be an idiot and do a single click.
Steve and the GN team bringing great reporting, perfect comedic timing and comprehensive data. Excellent work!
Are you late somewhere? :) Sometimes you speak too fast, almost inaudible for non native speakers. Please try slow down a little :)
No thanks keep it up please Steve. I already watch him now at 2x. If i could I would use 3x. And I used to back when modded UA-cam Apps worked.
I am not a native speaker.
You get use to it.
You know if you want him to talk slower. You can just activate the 0.75x or 0.5x speed, right?
@@cajampa Of course I know. It’s annoying to change speed as flow of speech changes, especially on tv. Not everyone is you. Stop flexing, it’s silly.
@@FalloutPL
I am not flexing, I was explaining from the other side about using the inbuilt speed control to solve your problem.
I like to consume lots of information fast, because then I can consume more information in my valuable time. If he talks slower it will take longer to watch his videos.
I don't like that, that is why I watch them faster. And that is why I asked him to not do what you asked.
You already have your solution to run the video slower if you actually need to, you are just lazy to use the option. And as I said you will likely improve with time.
@@cajampa You are not worth my time to explain it to you. EOT.
Shout out to Louis Rossman as your "Anger Translator", I love it!
My MSI B450 motherboard just got a new BIOS for the security vulnerability 2 days ago, so at least they seem to be getting it out there quickly.
Good on MSI. I guess some manufacturers will be faster than others.
Louis Rossman as anger translator is an ambitious crossover that would be great.
Thanks for the new benchmark
Holding out for my 5104x3d
Now this brings us closer to getting an X3D chip in a handheld. Imagine the fps gains in that form factor. 📈
i'd actually LOVE to see 5500x 3D in some prebuilts since so many are using the 5600g still.
could you somehow please add a test or two for audio, dsps or stuff like that?
I hear physics simulation is one area AVX-512 comes in handy, so the fact rodinia in SPECworks benefits a lot from Zen5 makes sense.
Thanks Steve!
Use case, compile and run in fat docker containers with separate builder and runner containers. So think build a virtual environment of coupled components inside containers and inter container across multiple running alongside an entire dev environment. We use multi core systems to build and smoke test this way. Compilation tests and concurrent container environments.
would be great if you guys included vray, cpu, gpu and both
I'm glad to see you featuring Louis Rossman so much, he's such a great consumer advocate. But he spends all of his time angry at the injustices of corporations and needs a friend.
AM4: There can be only one. (Cue Queen.)
Wow, good to see a single use-case where you get a substantial improvement switching from Ryzen 7000 to 9000, but I wonder what drives this massive uplift in 9950x - 7950x was 32% faster than 7900x, somewhat linear to core count increase, but 9950x is 55% faster than 9900x and 33% than 7950x, while 9900x gets only 10% increase compared to 7900x. I would guess that TDP comes into play - 9950x, 7950x and 7900x have 170W TDP, 9900X has it clipped to 120 W. Perhaps you might consider 9900x results as "nerfed" or rerun this with normalized TDP (all set to 120 or all to 170) to compare apples to apples.
I'm down for 5500X3D, if it comes to Poland, that would be a hell of a fun to bench.
I wish you would add the i5 2500k to the results for reference. People with archaic rigs like myself need love too!
And the iconic 4790K, still a beast over a decade later.
Eagerly awaiting the 1200X3D
About the service thing.
100% correct, I worked for an ecom company that stopped you every time you wanted to cancel. You HAD to call. They did this on purpose to make it inconvenient and then upsell/retain you. This is by design I promise you.
On the 5500X3D: while I definitely don't have any insights into the real AMD production constraints, I can imagine that while CCDs and IODs can be kept around without packaging for a while so volumes can be shifted between EPYC and Ryzen parts a bit after the initial waves have been made and sold.
But the decision between making a CCD a V-cache enabled part needs to be done a little earlier, especially since TMSC is doing that part, too, while packaging is done elsewhere, potentially far away in distance and time. I also keep hearing that TMSC is often enough storing dies that aren't quite finished for their customers and potentially for a rather long time in order to optimize money flow e.g. for taxation reasons or stock market reporting.
So if these are stored dies manufactured long ago or if these are batches of wafers newly started, if these were already packaded or freshly made... I'd love to know just out of curiosity, but that's obviously privileged information. The really cool aspect of how AMD does its business is that they have plenty of options and a large degree of flexibility, but also plenty of places where things can go wrong or bottlenecks can pop up. the logistics around product launch and supply have gotten way more complex than with monolithic dies!
And actually I was surprised to see that 6-core V-cache CCDs were actually made... First off AMD most likely needs to start with some of the best (voltage) bins for V-cache CCDs, because they need all the thermal headroom they can get. Now if these lesser V-cache CCDs are then the result of non-perfect cache die mountings ruining some previously near perfect chips, or if they are in fact lesser chips originally allocated to go into some custom EPYC niche, I simply have no way of knowing. But at scale quite a lot of niches have customers ready to pay a bit of premium and rumors has V-cache really make a difference in some HPC workloads.
Somehow it doesn't seem all that likely that they set out to create 5500X3D chips from the start, to me it really looks like leftover inventory being swept up and out where packaging and thus the choice between EPYC and Ryzen is something they can do much later than die manufacturing and where niche V-cache EPYC parts are much less likely to have market value (while stock guarantees needed to be met until around now).