I like the 4Runner. Bombproof, ultra reliable and simple. 500K mile vehicle with proper maintenance. No turbo and no massive hybrid battery to replace in 10 years.
@@verlaryder What the boomers really mean to say is, legendary reliability while they neglect maintenance and don't change their oil for 15,000 miles 😄everybody always tells one story, then the sales statistics tell another, some people will just never be happy
@@zoombadkHopefully that trend will continue. Toyota seems to be having some unexpectedly serious issues with their new trucks at the moment. I’m not sure I would jump into any newly released vehicle from any manufacturer right now.
thats assuming you can find a dealer that will sell it to you at MSRP... I called around to every lexus dealer in my area before buying a 2024 LC, they all said it would be 8-12 months to get one and a 15k markup.
@@wedemmoez our dealership promised MSRP on a GX550 Overtrail, but they're sitting with a list of about 300 potential buyers ahead of us, and no clear answer for when the vehicle might actually be available. We ultimately opted for the tried and trusted 4Runner, and we'll reevaluate in a few years once the new versions have been sorted out a bit more. At the very least, the last for the 5th Gen 4Runners should hold value pretty well, since it seems like a lot of people are attached to that trim level, its history, and its reliability.
Just got the new first edition. Have 4Runners as well and I am really impressed with the new Land Cruiser. Power is way smoother and kicks in right away on highways etc. so far it’s my fav toyota and I have had them all over the last 20 years. . Power diff is huge. Huge.
I sat in one of these Land cruisers when waiting to sign for my 5th gen runner. I thought , this is gorgeous. But didn’t feel regret. I’m happy with my 4Runner. Maybe in a decade I’ll get into a Land Cruiser. But today I’m loving 4Runner.
When you sell the same GREAT car for over a decade, you create a massive community of die hard fans. I’m looking at you 5th gen 4Runner owners! It’s going to take a lot to win over this community. My hope is that the TOYOTA community as a whole can come to appreciate and applaud change. The 5th gen didn’t get to where it is today without its predecessors and the same can be said about the Land Cruiser.
I would still pick the 4Runner...although I love the new LC. I just think in 10 years, everyone will look back at the 5th Gen as the epitome of Toyota engineering & reliability. No complicated electronic systems, just buttons where buttons should be with an engine & transmission, simple, straightforward & reliable at a reasonable value. (though I'd be coming from my FJC, so the 5th Gen IS a relative luxury upgrade for me) Having said all of that...the new LC is sweet.
I’ll never get rid of my FJC by choice! That said, with a bun in the oven, I may need an additional hauler when they get older! Maybe the LC 250 will be proven/dekinkified
And this is precisely why I went with a CPO LX 570 over the new GX/LC. When you sit in them back-to-back, you find that the LX/LC 200 is objectively a better built machine. Engineered and built in a different world than today's.
Just bought a 2013 GX... I originally had the Land Cruiser on order, but interest rates and overall lack of desire for a car payment led me to a cash car. The Land Cruiser is sick though. I will own one in the future most likely.
Great choice! The GX460 is one of my favorite vehicles ever. I wanted one but ended up with its Toyota variant (Land Cruiser Prado), the previous gen of the one in this video, offered with the same V6 the 4runner had.
@@Marvilalove The 4runners doesn’t look cheap, but when you feel the land cruise om how thin/light the trunk is, that’s a different story. I suggest you feel both and compare both and you’ll know what I’m talking about. Otherwise you’re just in denial.. that 4runner also has better quality than a Tesla too. Just give it a feel. I do it every day working at a body shop. The only fool here is the ones that are being fooled with just looking at their eyes.
I am not a fan of what they've done with the hybrid battery here. It is in the cargo area, which is not good if you have wet items in the rear or something leaks back there. It requires you keep several vents clean and unblocked in a cargo area in order to have airflow to keep the battery cool. And I have heard that the deck lid at the very rear, designed due to the battery location, can only support 150 lbs; again in the cargo area where that little area could see some weight, though it might be in only odd circumstances.
Nice to see you break out the tape measure on the ground clearance. I have been questioning the details across the different trims for a while now. Thanks for that but of info.
Ryan! I am stoked for you. This is a great choice for you for all the reasons you chose it. Vehicle buying should not be 1 size fits all. A LOT of people won't agree this was worth the money, and for them, that is true. For you, I think it was. Primarily because of what you said about features. I would not take the 2024 TRD Pro for what it is over the LC you just bought. I hope it gives you years of reliable fun. Are you going to swap out tires? Are the wipers rain sensed? Did you say it has adaptive cruise? In our state, those things have become features I would very much like to have had on my old 2018 4R TRD OR. But I did not buy it for amenities, I bought it for its rugged long lasting capabilities.
We have a lot of vehicles- we have a horse farm and love our Toyota 4Runners/Tacomas for daily driving and around the property. Other than towing it’s hard to beat the 4Runner. The Pro models (we have Tacoma and 4 Runner Pros) are fantastic off road. To me the cameras are just unnecessary. I prefer the older LandCruisers and wish they still had a V8. Good luck, I think you made a good choice, considering you have a channel for reviews. There isn’t much need to review a bullet proof 4Runner. However if I were giving advice to most consumers - looking for ONE long term vehicle- I’d definitely recommend the 4Runner.
got the chance to buy my dream truck almost 2 years ago, a TRD OFF ROAD 4Runner. I found your videos while researching it and thanks to you it made me want it even way more! Seeing one in the channel always makes my heart warm lol. havent stopped watching since. in future videos would like to see how the sway bar disconnect behaves in already stressful situations.
It's wild that we are now in an age where for $55,000+, we get a cloth interior and 8" screen and expertly marketed as a "heritage" edition. Even wilder that people are willing to pay that price. It seems so long ago that I bought my 2020 4Runner at MSRP. Couldn't dream of buying anything else.
I just bought a 2024 4Runner TRD Offroad Premium. I love it. I really thought about waiting for the 2025 or grabbing a land cruiser, but those 4 cylinder engines just worry me considering the problems some people have had with the new tundra's. I'm just not sure these new Toyotas are built with longevity in mind which is why I bought a Toyota. I think many new cars have been engineered to be obsolete and replaced within a decade. I love my 2024 4Runner so much, I'm considering buying one of the old 8 cylinders because the 4runner is that great.
It's a 4 cylinder?!? I have a 98 RAV4, other than it being a 4 cylinder with a manual transmission, I love it. On flat terrain, it's fine. But climbing the Andes mountains, It is terrible. You just sold me on the 4runner TRD PRO.
You are literally paying for a downgrade for this cheaply quality made vehicle. Did you feel the trunk? MAN toyota got you big time😂 not only that and it’s smaller
@@drivingsportsjust say what everyone knows, I bought this junk because it will help me make more money with my channel you . I will see how fast you will flip when it’s going to be recalled like tundra
Neither one of these makes me want to trade in my 2017 Cherokee Trailhawk! So far the best one I've had for here in Alaska!!! But I wish I would've kept my Nissan Xterra!
Thank you for the excellent videos and car reviews! Could you please do a snow review video for the new Land Cruiser and GX550 at some point? It would be great to see how these vehicles perform in snowy and icy conditions.
VERY relevant comparison! I am a 2 time 5th gen owner, so I love this! I put a Magnuson supercharger in my 2019 4Runner TRD Off Road, and no more slow lol. It wasn't cheap though lol
Glad you bought a Land Cruiser. I’ve had a first edition for 2 months and it’s been so great. Just took it off-roading today. Your channel is 1 of only 3 I subscribe to. Thanks for the great content
Just trying to make yourself feel better that you aren’t the only one that is a sucker for paying so much. You know this so don’t deny. You guys are the reason why Toyota keeps raising prices. This is a freaking Prado dudes for $80k and that’s IF you didn’t pay mark up which Toyo UA-cam fan boys usually don’t. Just unsubscribe. Sorry.
@@frankc5739 I don’t need to make myself feel better about anything. You clearly do. I can tell you watch all the negative click bait on UA-cam targeted towards stupid people that are easily influenced. Sorry you can’t drop 80k on a truck bud, write it in your diary. I don’t want to have to reply to your pathetic, insecure, loser bullshit. Get a life
Tell me how you justify getting a Land Cruiser when the 2025 4Runner will have the same engine. Toyota is shooting themselves in the foot by killing all their reliable vehicles
@@bobsacamano6402 I don’t have to justify shit. Bought it and love it. How do you justify buying a 14 year old truck with an interior of a public bus that rides like ass? It’s under warranty and it’s just a truck. Not my whole life ;)
Haven’t seen much yet diving into the 2.4kw onboard power. Any chance to do a demonstration of that feature, like using it while the vehicle is off and seeing how the engine can start automatically to fill the battery back up?
It’s like any other Toyota hybrid. You have to have the vehicle on. You have to push the button every time you start the vehicle. It’s an inverter that works off the high voltage battery. So if you’re running all 2.4kw I suspect it will run often.
@@TobyCostaRica sorry yeah I meant engine off with the vehicle in whatever accessory ignition mode it needs to be in. I just think it’s super useful when out camping or similar. Can even lock the car up and have an extension cord out to a tent for running a fan or heated blanket all night. Pulling 2-400 watts continually would last a good few hours before the engine would kick on, charge up the HV battery before turning back off automatically for another few hours. Or run a host of morning essentials like coffee maker, electric griddle etc and just let the vehicle turn on for a few minutes every so often without any additional input by the user.
@@ALMX5DP it won’t let you lock the car, with the size of the battery, and the specs I can have AC running inside my Sienna van for 15-20mins depending on ambient temp before the van starts for 5 mins. Best use based on my knowledge is to transfer power to a portable battery like a Delta Max 2
I have anticipated a comparison video like this one! I was contemplating between the new LC 1958 and the last year of the 5th gen 4Runner and I put down a deposit on a 4Runner TRD offroad premium this week. I’ve always wanted one and figured I could always sell it down the road and get near what I paid for it new. I want to see how the LC performs over the next few years.
Nothing moonman said had anything to do with another generation. 2010 4runner $10-12k 2024 4runner $60k+ Same engine amd mostly everything else. I'd get a 2010 too for the price they're at now
@@Blvck0ne oh yeah, all day long. If you need a loan to buy something you are either broke or buying a vehicle you can’t afford. Easily write a check for a rust free 2010 in great shape.
Thanks for the info. As a 2013 FJ Cruiser owner- not ready to buy the FJ Hybrid Yet-, but am impressed with the updates. I like that it's 4 door, and also all of the electronic updates. But part of me still respects and loves the straight forward no fuss.
LOL at some of these comments. For the vast majority of 5th Gen 4Runner owners, the top complaints have been how the 4Runner is hopelessly outdated and underpowered in 2024 standards. Now that they have seen the 6th Gen (and the LC250), the 5th Gen is suddenly back to being Toyota's irreplaceable chariot of the gods. You simply can't squeeze any more power and torque out of that naturally aspirated V6. Toyota gave what the whiners complained about - more power. The result? Even more whining than before. LOL!!!
The new one is still under powered, so there’s no really improvement. Plus it takes premium gas so now you pay just as much at the pump.🙈😉 BUT WAIT! only difference is you’re paying over 50 grand, the gas tank is smaller, and the interior is smaller too! THE ENGINE SOUNDS LIKE AN ECO VEHICLE! Only youre still PAYING OVER 50k!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 😂😂 😂😂😂
4Runner for the win. I really want to like the LC, but to expensive and to gimmicky. No one will use all the gimmicks. Get old after a month, forget they are even there. Love the white roof paint, but I think i like the 4runners hood scoop better.
@@drivingsports there's your next video. Old vs new. I personally would still take the last Gen. I think it looks better and has unmatched reliability.
@@drivingsports yeah, that was a premium compared to the low quality of the new land cruiser. You can feel the low quality on that light trunk of that cheapily made cruiser. NOT THE SAME
I actually passed on my allocation I received for the exact same LC and bought the exact same TRD Pro 4runner. I love both but I want to see what they will offer in the packaging on the LC and the new 4runner over the next couple years.
New subscriber here, loving your videos. We're still waiting on the new Prado over here in Australia, but we've already got the 300 series LandCruiser. We never got the 4Runner, other than the first and second series. I love my FJ Cruiser, it sounds a lot like the TRD Pro you're driving in this, but I have put a sports muffler on it. As for the 4.0 V6 being slow, I think they're sufficiently fast for the suspension. Any faster and they'd be dangerous.
Just curious, for the money, why did you end up skipping over the Lexus GX 550 Overtrail? Its in the same price ball park, Lexus generally has better quality standards and overall it has better performance then the LC, larger tires, more trunk space and better towing numbers. Love the look of your Land Cruiser though better than the lexus and Land Cruiser is a better nameplate in my opinion haha.
There's a few reasons to go with the LC trim + Premium Package over the GX. The LC is equipped much better than the GX550 OT, but is roughly $12k cheaper than the similarly equipped OT+. The GX also has abysmal real world mileage, whereas the LC can exceed 20 mpg. I also prefer the physical HVAC controls. Admittedly, the First Edition trim is a bit overpriced.
Same 265/70r18 (32.5 or "33s") tyres on LC250 and GX. Only the lowest LC trim has smaller 245/70r18 (31.5"). Of course you don't need to swap the OEM ATs on Overtrail, whereas the LC ones can go off right on dealer's lot. Rest is true of course. But the way Toyota market segments is that you can never have all the features you want :- )
Your videos are the best, thanks for taking the time to do them and walk us through everything. I want to buy a Toyota Land Cruiser as well so can't wait for coming content!🎉❤
You never should have gotten rid of the grey TRD Off Road you bought. Should have driven it until the wheels come off. Newer designs are becoming too focused on tech and not the basics like engines that work and reliable transmissions.
What is your opinion on the Land Cruiser requiring 91 octane while the Tacoma with the same i-Force Max only requires 87? The premium gas may be a dealbreaker.
@@montechie The strange thing is both the Tacoma and LC are rated for the same HP and torque figures. I wish Toyota would address this and let us know what the discrepancy is.
The 4.0 L V6 is under tuned for longevity. The 2.4 is over tuned for 2023 emissions standards. Turbos recycle exhaust for combustion. Use premium fuel and let the oil cool down after a minute or so before turning off and you can still get longevity out of the 4 cylinder’s though. Toyota still makes a good engine.
I hope you'll redo this video when the new 4Runner comes out. I know you said you're preferring the new comfort and tech stuff. As my vehicles have leaped forward in tech over the last decade (newest was a 2020 Stinger GT2), I've started heading in the opposite direction. The older tech/design of the 4Runner kind of appeals to me.
It'd be nice if you took the same line for the articulation section in both vehicles. Also, as you must surely know, the best 4Runner model for articulation is the TRD Off-Road with KDSS, as it disconnects (hydraulically) both swaybars below 12 mph. I've never given two hoots about all of the electronic nannies as I enjoy driving my vehicle and having as much control over it as possible. The only thing that I like on the new Prado is the Torsen centre-diff, but again, only for paved road, mixed condition (snow and rain) driving , as you still want to lock the centre diff for maximum slow speed, technical and difficult off-road conditions. Funny how we are - 3 years ago you could buy the best (non-70 series) Land Cruiser in the world (the LC200) for $86000 in the US, and now you're paying $77000 for a Prado :) Imagine getting rid of the top of the line Supra and giving consumers the GR86 for the same price and having them thank you for it - good one Toyota!!!!
What is the technical difference between 4L in the forerunner and 4L in the Land Cruiser? Doesn’t the Land Cruiser have the axles locked at that point as well so it functions more as a 4wd than an awd at that point correct?
I wouldn't touch those new vehicles with a 10-foot pole especially when something reliable is available. Some people are just too trendy and can't help themselves because they care too much with other people think & say... Got to think for yourself haha
Previously had a 5th gen 4 runnner, now have a GX460. In the future when we get another SUV (keeping the 460) the LC is the one I'd be interested in. The improved MPG and the physical interior controls are more appealing to me than the GX550. Also the first editions round headlights look great.
Ok Bryan, I’ve had about enough of your 4Runner hating. Not everyone wants all the bells and whistles and new “tech”. Well shit, it does seems like everyone wants that now days. I’m the odd ball out I guess. Eh, they’ll bury me in my 5th gen. Never giving it up!
Put a peddle Commander on the 4Runner and it feels much peppier. I have the 2021 TRD Pro 4Runner and I like it. Only reason I would upgrade to the next gen would be if they significantly increase the MPG
Huge trade-off with that. People buy the current gen 4Runner for its reliability. Reliability comes with naturally aspirated engines that have been perfected over the years. Look at the new tundra engine. People complained about the outgoing V8’s mpg, and the new turbo V6 gets maybe 2 mpg better and will not even come close to reliability of the V8
Thank you, you are probably the first one to discuss GC, would appreciate if you can please confirm what is the minimum ground clearance because Toyota is providing all confusing numbers, not sure what is correct?
Panhard bar mounts could be a reason why the LC flexed better on this test. The 4Runner's panhard bar mounts to the axle on the driver side which might limit driver side droop. The LC's passenger side droop might be limited for the same reason.
No front locker for 77k lmao...so overpriced...you really need to compare it to the new gen 4-runner coming out and the off road models... although those prices will be ridiculous also
Toyota separated them by making this off road capable with full time 4wd whereas the off road, trd, trailer hunter new 4Runner is only part time. The limited and platinum get full time but are street oriented in the new 4R
Just bought a 2016 4R TRD Pro that I'm picking up today. I sold my 2008 200 Series Land Cruiser about 2 years ago. Haven't owned a 4R since my 2005 model but I'm looking forward to it. The new pricing and less "luxe" is probably the way to go for Toyota and I'd love to have one someday but not at these prices. Luckily both being 500k mile vehicles built at Tahara the used market now is the way to go since it has "settled" down from the insane 2022 prices. I still wish Toyota would bring the 70 series here with safety features so it could be sold for around $45k. I don't think it would cannabalize too much. Its even more utilitarian
I had a dream i sold my 4Runner. Woke up in a panic and went straight to my garage and made sure it was still there. My 4Runner is my 4Ever truck
I'll sell my 3rd gen eventually. But I've had dreams it was stolen
😂😂same here 😂😂😂
That ain’t no dream buddy that’s a Nightmare 😂funny I had the same one only I found a jeep in my garage 😅
I dreamt I sold mine as well one time, I woke up so relieved it was a dream lll
My 80 is my forever lol
I like the 4Runner. Bombproof, ultra reliable and simple. 500K mile vehicle with proper maintenance. No turbo and no massive hybrid battery to replace in 10 years.
yep i just bought the trd pro in terra last weekend because of that
My Prius hybrid has been running well for 15 years no replacement
Thanks Boomer. Time for bed.
@@iamthedutchbro Lol! Bet I’m younger than you bruh. Grow up
10000000%!
$60K for cloth seats, and $80K for some buttons, under armor, and changing lights. What upside world are we living in that a Toyota costs that much!?
I'm going to get a slightly used Nissan Frontier Pro-4x and call it a day at 36k. People gotta wake up
@@oliverallen5324Yeah, Toyota has always been expensive.
I'd pay extra for cloth seats. Besides, the previous Land Cruiser was over $100k, so thats progress.....
😂 tell me you don't offroad without telling me.
@oliverallen5324 4x is nice but it's no toyota
4R has legendary longevity. Can’t say the same about these new Toyota turbo charged vehicles. Only time will tell
def not this generation, new stuff tends to have problems. Once they fixed it in the following years then were back to business.
Were you alive in 1986? There were Turbo 4Runners back then: ua-cam.com/video/hMt6i13UP7o/v-deo.html
@@verlaryder What the boomers really mean to say is, legendary reliability while they neglect maintenance and don't change their oil for 15,000 miles 😄everybody always tells one story, then the sales statistics tell another, some people will just never be happy
If you are talking legendary longevity that is Toyota Land Cruiser the longest lasting car out off all cars in the world.
@@zoombadkHopefully that trend will continue. Toyota seems to be having some unexpectedly serious issues with their new trucks at the moment. I’m not sure I would jump into any newly released vehicle from any manufacturer right now.
I asked my wife if she wanted to get rid of her 4Runner and get a GX or Land cruiser. "Absolutely not" was her reply.
I asked mine if she wanted 4Runner, GX, or Land Cruiser and had the same response.
Smart wife, better life 🙂
I asked my wife if she wanted to get rid of her GX 470 or my LX 470 and get a 4 runner. “Absolutely not” was her reply 😂😂😂
Lx 470 blows the 4Runner out of the water
Once you get up to the $77 thousand plus range I think I would just go with the Lexus GX 550 Over Trail.
thats assuming you can find a dealer that will sell it to you at MSRP... I called around to every lexus dealer in my area before buying a 2024 LC, they all said it would be 8-12 months to get one and a 15k markup.
@@wedemmoez our dealership promised MSRP on a GX550 Overtrail, but they're sitting with a list of about 300 potential buyers ahead of us, and no clear answer for when the vehicle might actually be available. We ultimately opted for the tried and trusted 4Runner, and we'll reevaluate in a few years once the new versions have been sorted out a bit more. At the very least, the last for the 5th Gen 4Runners should hold value pretty well, since it seems like a lot of people are attached to that trim level, its history, and its reliability.
@@wedemmoezthen you mine as well get an LX if there marking up the GX. How do you like your LC?
@@wedemmoezhave you asked around Cleveland?
Just got the new first edition. Have 4Runners as well and I am really impressed with the new Land Cruiser. Power is way smoother and kicks in right away on highways etc. so far it’s my fav toyota and I have had them all over the last 20 years. . Power diff is huge. Huge.
the craziest thing, the 4R still looks good!
It's the better looking vehicle in this comparison
I'll keep my 1st gen sequoia. Bulletproof V8!
I sat in one of these Land cruisers when waiting to sign for my 5th gen runner.
I thought , this is gorgeous. But didn’t feel regret.
I’m happy with my 4Runner. Maybe in a decade I’ll get into a Land Cruiser. But today I’m loving 4Runner.
When you sell the same GREAT car for over a decade, you create a massive community of die hard fans. I’m looking at you 5th gen 4Runner owners! It’s going to take a lot to win over this community. My hope is that the TOYOTA community as a whole can come to appreciate and applaud change. The 5th gen didn’t get to where it is today without its predecessors and the same can be said about the Land Cruiser.
Love the 4Runner TRD Pro
How much is your monthly payment including full coverage insurance... i need an idea of what im saving up for.
I would still pick the 4Runner...although I love the new LC. I just think in 10 years, everyone will look back at the 5th Gen as the epitome of Toyota engineering & reliability. No complicated electronic systems, just buttons where buttons should be with an engine & transmission, simple, straightforward & reliable at a reasonable value. (though I'd be coming from my FJC, so the 5th Gen IS a relative luxury upgrade for me) Having said all of that...the new LC is sweet.
Think people will always look at the previous generation with each iteration
I’ll never get rid of my FJC by choice! That said, with a bun in the oven, I may need an additional hauler when they get older! Maybe the LC 250 will be proven/dekinkified
And the 4runner doesn't spy on you while you drive , like some creep in the bushes.
And Toyota will be unreliable by then.
Oh, how the car world gets worse every year…
And this is precisely why I went with a CPO LX 570 over the new GX/LC. When you sit in them back-to-back, you find that the LX/LC 200 is objectively a better built machine. Engineered and built in a different world than today's.
I just got an off road premium in may and love it. It’s my third 4Runner and am very happy!
I love your videos. You are one of the new car reviewers who actually reviews the cars instead of making it feel like a paid ad by the manufacturer.
Just bought a 2013 GX... I originally had the Land Cruiser on order, but interest rates and overall lack of desire for a car payment led me to a cash car. The Land Cruiser is sick though. I will own one in the future most likely.
Nothing wrong with a 2013 GX! Solid choice.
Great choice! The GX460 is one of my favorite vehicles ever. I wanted one but ended up with its Toyota variant (Land Cruiser Prado), the previous gen of the one in this video, offered with the same V6 the 4runner had.
Honestly, it looks like Toyota just made our '15 4Runner SR5 with 60K miles worth a helluva lot more money. We'll be keeping it, thanks
The First Edition is so sick!!! Happy for your, Ryan!! So rad!
The 4unner looks 100 times better!
SPOT On ! And Engine will Have Longevity and Reliability that all the vehicles on this new platform will never ever SEE !
No it does not, it looks cheap
@@Marvilalove The 4runners doesn’t look cheap, but when you feel the land cruise om how thin/light the trunk is, that’s a different story. I suggest you feel both and compare both and you’ll know what I’m talking about. Otherwise you’re just in denial.. that 4runner also has better quality than a Tesla too. Just give it a feel. I do it every day working at a body shop. The only fool here is the ones that are being fooled with just looking at their eyes.
They both look bad ass to me
Lc looks much better
Both not worth the money😅
With all regards to the progress been made...
1. The 4R looks so much better and sexier than the LC!
2. All the tech on the 4R is old? GOOD !!!
Agree!!!!! I don't even want the computer crap that's on my 24 TRD off-road premium 4 runner!!
I am not a fan of what they've done with the hybrid battery here. It is in the cargo area, which is not good if you have wet items in the rear or something leaks back there. It requires you keep several vents clean and unblocked in a cargo area in order to have airflow to keep the battery cool. And I have heard that the deck lid at the very rear, designed due to the battery location, can only support 150 lbs; again in the cargo area where that little area could see some weight, though it might be in only odd circumstances.
Preach!!!!
Ryan didn’t even try to sleep in his new LC. The uneven cargo area floor of these new vehicles are just ludicrous
I just love the sound of that old 1GR. Makes me want to jump in my FJ and go flat out everywhere while going faster than the speed of smell.
Perfect Choice I got my LC FE 3 months ago! Thanks for the tips!
Didn’t think I’d find one of my favorite artist on a Land Cruiser Video lol , congrats to both yall
Nice to see you break out the tape measure on the ground clearance. I have been questioning the details across the different trims for a while now. Thanks for that but of info.
Got my heritage blue FE this week, I’m really happy at how good they drive, it just feels right
This makes me want a FJ Cruiser even more I don’t know why. Congrats on the buy!!
At dinner yesterday parked next to an FJ with the similar sand/white paint.
@@drivingsports yup I think the two toned roof is what did it. Love the color you chose.
Are they making again in 2025?
congrats on the new buy. hopefully we see more of it so we can make informed choices. give us bad and good
Ryan! I am stoked for you. This is a great choice for you for all the reasons you chose it. Vehicle buying should not be 1 size fits all. A LOT of people won't agree this was worth the money, and for them, that is true. For you, I think it was. Primarily because of what you said about features. I would not take the 2024 TRD Pro for what it is over the LC you just bought. I hope it gives you years of reliable fun. Are you going to swap out tires? Are the wipers rain sensed? Did you say it has adaptive cruise? In our state, those things have become features I would very much like to have had on my old 2018 4R TRD OR. But I did not buy it for amenities, I bought it for its rugged long lasting capabilities.
We have a lot of vehicles- we have a horse farm and love our Toyota 4Runners/Tacomas for daily driving and around the property. Other than towing it’s hard to beat the 4Runner. The Pro models (we have Tacoma and 4 Runner Pros) are fantastic off road. To me the cameras are just unnecessary. I prefer the older LandCruisers and wish they still had a V8. Good luck, I think you made a good choice, considering you have a channel for reviews. There isn’t much need to review a bullet proof 4Runner. However if I were giving advice to most consumers - looking for ONE long term vehicle- I’d definitely recommend the 4Runner.
Love those headlights on the landcruiser
Excellent review! Crazy how the wheel just hung in the air on one, stayed put on the other. Thanks for your fun hard work!
got the chance to buy my dream truck almost 2 years ago, a TRD OFF ROAD 4Runner. I found your videos while researching it and thanks to you it made me want it even way more! Seeing one in the channel always makes my heart warm lol. havent stopped watching since. in future videos would like to see how the sway bar disconnect behaves in already stressful situations.
Thanks!
Both great trucks, I say get what you like who cares what anyone else thinks. The technology on the newer vehicles is amazing.
4runner will always be the better value at this point. No contest 😂
It's wild that we are now in an age where for $55,000+, we get a cloth interior and 8" screen and expertly marketed as a "heritage" edition. Even wilder that people are willing to pay that price. It seems so long ago that I bought my 2020 4Runner at MSRP. Couldn't dream of buying anything else.
Yes inflation comes as a shock to privileged people.
I just bought a 2024 4Runner TRD Offroad Premium. I love it. I really thought about waiting for the 2025 or grabbing a land cruiser, but those 4 cylinder engines just worry me considering the problems some people have had with the new tundra's. I'm just not sure these new Toyotas are built with longevity in mind which is why I bought a Toyota. I think many new cars have been engineered to be obsolete and replaced within a decade. I love my 2024 4Runner so much, I'm considering buying one of the old 8 cylinders because the 4runner is that great.
Don't buy the 8cyl, to replace the starter you have to remove the engine.
6 cyl for the win
You can use the key fob for remote start. Double tap the lock button then hold the lock button.
Well duh you bought a land cruiser you’re a youtube channel. 4runner still the better choice unless you need views on videos.
Boom!
Why is it a better choice?
Damn straight. LC is straight trash.
No way 77k for a 4cyl....
Laughable
Image the price tag people paid for the JAG XJ220 with a V6 instead. Of a V12 the vehicle was still amazing for the price same difference here
It's a 4 cylinder?!? I have a 98 RAV4, other than it being a 4 cylinder with a manual transmission, I love it. On flat terrain, it's fine. But climbing the Andes mountains, It is terrible.
You just sold me on the 4runner TRD PRO.
@@robertwhite1181 not all 4 cylinders are alike. the 4 cylinder hybrid in the land cruiser makes nearly 100 more horsepower and 200 lb-ft more torque
No for a toyota
As a current 4Runner owner and potential Landcruiser owner; this has been the best and most helpful review video by far! Thanks.
You are literally paying for a downgrade for this cheaply quality made vehicle. Did you feel the trunk? MAN toyota got you big time😂 not only that and it’s smaller
this review has me even more convinced to go 4runner 5th
There is no wrong answer. 👍
@@drivingsportsjust say what everyone knows, I bought this junk because it will help me make more money with my channel you . I will see how fast you will flip when it’s going to be recalled like tundra
Neither one of these makes me want to trade in my 2017 Cherokee Trailhawk! So far the best one I've had for here in Alaska!!! But I wish I would've kept my Nissan Xterra!
Cherokees are great. Disappointed Jeep discontinued it.
I don’t like that the LandCruiser requires premium fuel.
Premium fuel in USA is basic petrol in the rest of the 1st world.
Huge detail that needs to be mentioned more often
In Europe it requires diesel and not much of it either.
And I don't like cheese.
@@Levi-mg4nf agreed
@@Offshore1977 same powertrain is in the tacoma hybrid and that runs regular
I bought the 1958 version, but honestly really wish I spent more. The surcharge is insane tho.
Sell it and get it from one of 4 Toyota dealers in California that have 0 markup on this LC250 😮
Thank you for the excellent videos and car reviews! Could you please do a snow review video for the new Land Cruiser and GX550 at some point? It would be great to see how these vehicles perform in snowy and icy conditions.
VERY relevant comparison! I am a 2 time 5th gen owner, so I love this! I put a Magnuson supercharger in my 2019 4Runner TRD Off Road, and no more slow lol. It wasn't cheap though lol
Smart choice for the channel, but if for 100% personal I know you would pick 4Runner
Yes. Agree. Ryan good choice for the channel
If they just put a V6 in the land cruiser I would have bought this shit in a heartbeat.
Thank God I got my 4Runner when I did.
Glad you bought a Land Cruiser. I’ve had a first edition for 2 months and it’s been so great. Just took it off-roading today. Your channel is 1 of only 3 I subscribe to. Thanks for the great content
Just trying to make yourself feel better that you aren’t the only one that is a sucker for paying so much. You know this so don’t deny. You guys are the reason why Toyota keeps raising prices. This is a freaking Prado dudes for $80k and that’s IF you didn’t pay mark up which Toyo UA-cam fan boys usually don’t. Just unsubscribe. Sorry.
@@frankc5739 I don’t need to make myself feel better about anything. You clearly do. I can tell you watch all the negative click bait on UA-cam targeted towards stupid people that are easily influenced. Sorry you can’t drop 80k on a truck bud, write it in your diary. I don’t want to have to reply to your pathetic, insecure, loser bullshit. Get a life
Tell me how you justify getting a Land Cruiser when the 2025 4Runner will have the same engine. Toyota is shooting themselves in the foot by killing all their reliable vehicles
@@bobsacamano6402 I don’t have to justify shit. Bought it and love it. How do you justify buying a 14 year old truck with an interior of a public bus that rides like ass? It’s under warranty and it’s just a truck. Not my whole life ;)
@@PuddingReserve So many jealous dudes in the comments. Mad they can't afford it. Props to you, enjoy your new LC!
Haven’t seen much yet diving into the 2.4kw onboard power. Any chance to do a demonstration of that feature, like using it while the vehicle is off and seeing how the engine can start automatically to fill the battery back up?
It’s like any other Toyota hybrid. You have to have the vehicle on. You have to push the button every time you start the vehicle. It’s an inverter that works off the high voltage battery. So if you’re running all 2.4kw I suspect it will run often.
@@TobyCostaRica sorry yeah I meant engine off with the vehicle in whatever accessory ignition mode it needs to be in. I just think it’s super useful when out camping or similar. Can even lock the car up and have an extension cord out to a tent for running a fan or heated blanket all night. Pulling 2-400 watts continually would last a good few hours before the engine would kick on, charge up the HV battery before turning back off automatically for another few hours. Or run a host of morning essentials like coffee maker, electric griddle etc and just let the vehicle turn on for a few minutes every so often without any additional input by the user.
@@ALMX5DPI got one I can’t wait to see how that works as far as powering stuff
@@ALMX5DP it won’t let you lock the car, with the size of the battery, and the specs I can have AC running inside my Sienna van for 15-20mins depending on ambient temp before the van starts for 5 mins. Best use based on my knowledge is to transfer power to a portable battery like a Delta Max 2
I have anticipated a comparison video like this one! I was contemplating between the new LC 1958 and the last year of the 5th gen 4Runner and I put down a deposit on a 4Runner TRD offroad premium this week. I’ve always wanted one and figured I could always sell it down the road and get near what I paid for it new. I want to see how the LC performs over the next few years.
I still would take a 2010 used 4Runner over anything new at Toyota.
This comment makes zero sense. So if given the chance to have a used 2010 4Runner or a 2024 4Runner you’re going to take the used 2010?
2010 4runner was the 1st year of the 5th gen 4runner 😂😅
The first gen 5th gen 4runner is good looking
Nothing moonman said had anything to do with another generation.
2010 4runner $10-12k
2024 4runner $60k+
Same engine amd mostly everything else.
I'd get a 2010 too for the price they're at now
@@Blvck0ne oh yeah, all day long. If you need a loan to buy something you are either broke or buying a vehicle you can’t afford. Easily write a check for a rust free 2010 in great shape.
Thanks for the info. As a 2013 FJ Cruiser owner- not ready to buy the FJ Hybrid Yet-, but am impressed with the updates. I like that it's 4 door, and also all of the electronic updates. But part of me still respects and loves the straight forward no fuss.
LOL at some of these comments. For the vast majority of 5th Gen 4Runner owners, the top complaints have been how the 4Runner is hopelessly outdated and underpowered in 2024 standards. Now that they have seen the 6th Gen (and the LC250), the 5th Gen is suddenly back to being Toyota's irreplaceable chariot of the gods. You simply can't squeeze any more power and torque out of that naturally aspirated V6. Toyota gave what the whiners complained about - more power. The result? Even more whining than before. LOL!!!
The new one is still under powered, so there’s no really improvement. Plus it takes premium gas so now you pay just as much at the pump.🙈😉 BUT WAIT! only difference is you’re paying over 50 grand, the gas tank is smaller, and the interior is smaller too! THE ENGINE SOUNDS LIKE AN ECO VEHICLE! Only youre still PAYING OVER 50k!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 😂😂 😂😂😂
4Runner for the win. I really want to like the LC, but to expensive and to gimmicky. No one will use all the gimmicks. Get old after a month, forget they are even there. Love the white roof paint, but I think i like the 4runners hood scoop better.
$80k/ $1500 a month land cruiser is just something I cant wrap my head around.
The last one sold in the USA was the 2021 Heritage and it sold out at $90k MSRP.
@@drivingsports there's your next video. Old vs new. I personally would still take the last Gen. I think it looks better and has unmatched reliability.
Prado
@@drivingsports yeah, that was a premium compared to the low quality of the new land cruiser. You can feel the low quality on that light trunk of that cheapily made cruiser. NOT THE SAME
These cars r mostly for company tax Wright off😅
Toyota has really dropped the ball on quality And pricing! I’d take the 2024 4Runner any day of the week.
I actually passed on my allocation I received for the exact same LC and bought the exact same TRD Pro 4runner. I love both but I want to see what they will offer in the packaging on the LC and the new 4runner over the next couple years.
So effortless on the trails. Love this thing! Can't wait to see more off-road adventures from your first edition.
Ryan could you take a 22 or 23 GX460 and GX550 through the same trail?
4Runner craw control noises at least tell you the thing is doing something lol. Its like tesla vs combustion. It feels so mechanical
Had ro rush back to my office to watch this 😂
4Runner all day! Bulletproof with timeless design!
New subscriber here, loving your videos. We're still waiting on the new Prado over here in Australia, but we've already got the 300 series LandCruiser. We never got the 4Runner, other than the first and second series. I love my FJ Cruiser, it sounds a lot like the TRD Pro you're driving in this, but I have put a sports muffler on it. As for the 4.0 V6 being slow, I think they're sufficiently fast for the suspension. Any faster and they'd be dangerous.
Just curious, for the money, why did you end up skipping over the Lexus GX 550 Overtrail? Its in the same price ball park, Lexus generally has better quality standards and overall it has better performance then the LC, larger tires, more trunk space and better towing numbers. Love the look of your Land Cruiser though better than the lexus and Land Cruiser is a better nameplate in my opinion haha.
We have another video coming that will cover all these questions...and then some. 👍
There's a few reasons to go with the LC trim + Premium Package over the GX. The LC is equipped much better than the GX550 OT, but is roughly $12k cheaper than the similarly equipped OT+. The GX also has abysmal real world mileage, whereas the LC can exceed 20 mpg. I also prefer the physical HVAC controls.
Admittedly, the First Edition trim is a bit overpriced.
The GX has engine recalls……
Same 265/70r18 (32.5 or "33s") tyres on LC250 and GX. Only the lowest LC trim has smaller 245/70r18 (31.5"). Of course you don't need to swap the OEM ATs on Overtrail, whereas the LC ones can go off right on dealer's lot.
Rest is true of course. But the way Toyota market segments is that you can never have all the features you want :- )
Your videos are the best, thanks for taking the time to do them and walk us through everything. I want to buy a Toyota Land Cruiser as well so can't wait for coming content!🎉❤
You never should have gotten rid of the grey TRD Off Road you bought. Should have driven it until the wheels come off. Newer designs are becoming too focused on tech and not the basics like engines that work and reliable transmissions.
This is the review I needed in my life.
What is your opinion on the Land Cruiser requiring 91 octane while the Tacoma with the same i-Force Max only requires 87? The premium gas may be a dealbreaker.
I wonder about that too, must be a different tune. 91 gets expensive fast. I imagine the new 4runner will run 87 as well.
@@montechie The strange thing is both the Tacoma and LC are rated for the same HP and torque figures. I wish Toyota would address this and let us know what the discrepancy is.
Fulltime 4wd robs more power from the engine due to drivetrain. Premium mostlikely makes up for that loss in hp and trq.
The owners manual on the land cruiser clearly states 91 isn't required.
It's not different, modern engines can adjust timing to account just fine. They did that in the 2000s
The 4.0 L V6 is under tuned for longevity. The 2.4 is over tuned for 2023 emissions standards. Turbos recycle exhaust for combustion. Use premium fuel and let the oil cool down after a minute or so before turning off and you can still get longevity out of the 4 cylinder’s though. Toyota still makes a good engine.
Longer term 4Runner all day!
Excellent review!
But since 80% of my driving is city, I believe part-time 4WD would be best. It would give me better mpg while in 2WD.
Opinions?
It just needs a roll down rear window and it would be the perfect replacement for the 5th gen 4Runner.
I hope you'll redo this video when the new 4Runner comes out. I know you said you're preferring the new comfort and tech stuff. As my vehicles have leaped forward in tech over the last decade (newest was a 2020 Stinger GT2), I've started heading in the opposite direction. The older tech/design of the 4Runner kind of appeals to me.
When your done with the 4 runner I’ll take it 🙏🏻
😂
It'd be nice if you took the same line for the articulation section in both vehicles. Also, as you must surely know, the best 4Runner model for articulation is the TRD Off-Road with KDSS, as it disconnects (hydraulically) both swaybars below 12 mph. I've never given two hoots about all of the electronic nannies as I enjoy driving my vehicle and having as much control over it as possible. The only thing that I like on the new Prado is the Torsen centre-diff, but again, only for paved road, mixed condition (snow and rain) driving , as you still want to lock the centre diff for maximum slow speed, technical and difficult off-road conditions.
Funny how we are - 3 years ago you could buy the best (non-70 series) Land Cruiser in the world (the LC200) for $86000 in the US, and now you're paying $77000 for a Prado :) Imagine getting rid of the top of the line Supra and giving consumers the GR86 for the same price and having them thank you for it - good one Toyota!!!!
60k for cloth seats?! Whaaaaat
I’ll pay extra for cloth over leather.
@@jysmtlcloths seats will last 3 times than leather seats
What is the technical difference between 4L in the forerunner and 4L in the Land Cruiser? Doesn’t the Land Cruiser have the axles locked at that point as well so it functions more as a 4wd than an awd at that point correct?
I wouldn't touch those new vehicles with a 10-foot pole especially when something reliable is available. Some people are just too trendy and can't help themselves because they care too much with other people think & say... Got to think for yourself haha
I like the direction Toyota has taken with the styling on this and the fact that there are meaningfully distinct trim levels.
Previously had a 5th gen 4 runnner, now have a GX460. In the future when we get another SUV (keeping the 460) the LC is the one I'd be interested in. The improved MPG and the physical interior controls are more appealing to me than the GX550.
Also the first editions round headlights look great.
Congrats Ryan! Land Cruiser and Raptor you are set for any and every off road adventure! Rock and Roll! Ready to see where it takes you
I’m going with 4runner before watching. At least I hope you did lol
Good choice
Ok Bryan, I’ve had about enough of your 4Runner hating. Not everyone wants all the bells and whistles and new “tech”. Well shit, it does seems like everyone wants that now days. I’m the odd ball out I guess. Eh, they’ll bury me in my 5th gen. Never giving it up!
Put a peddle Commander on the 4Runner and it feels much peppier. I have the 2021 TRD Pro 4Runner and I like it. Only reason I would upgrade to the next gen would be if they significantly increase the MPG
Huge trade-off with that. People buy the current gen 4Runner for its reliability. Reliability comes with naturally aspirated engines that have been perfected over the years. Look at the new tundra engine. People complained about the outgoing V8’s mpg, and the new turbo V6 gets maybe 2 mpg better and will not even come close to reliability of the V8
The 4Runner was the clear winner.
Nothing like a midday Driving sports drop
Thank you, you are probably the first one to discuss GC, would appreciate if you can please confirm what is the minimum ground clearance because Toyota is providing all confusing numbers, not sure what is correct?
Love love love my new LC !!!! Most amazing vehicle ever !!! Will be getting another for my wife
I loved my little old dodge nitro which was the same size but without paying over 50,000. Feel sorry for that wallet of yours🙈
the front sway bar was what got me!!! incredible!! compared to connected, need that mod. thx
My 23 TRD Pro has one MTS setting in 4H.
Mud Sand and Dirt has always been available in 4H
@@crisbeveridgewhat about snow
Panhard bar mounts could be a reason why the LC flexed better on this test. The 4Runner's panhard bar mounts to the axle on the driver side which might limit driver side droop. The LC's passenger side droop might be limited for the same reason.
Kinda looks like a modern day Honda element
I have 2017 Land Cruiser, simply the best, this 2024 LC no comments!
I will go for 2024 4Runner. :)
The 4Runner is so good and bulletproof I just can’t justify the land cruiser other than the need for the next new thing.
No front locker for 77k lmao...so overpriced...you really need to compare it to the new gen 4-runner coming out and the off road models... although those prices will be ridiculous also
Toyota separated them by making this off road capable with full time 4wd whereas the off road, trd, trailer hunter new 4Runner is only part time. The limited and platinum get full time but are street oriented in the new 4R
Just bought a 2016 4R TRD Pro that I'm picking up today. I sold my 2008 200 Series Land Cruiser about 2 years ago. Haven't owned a 4R since my 2005 model but I'm looking forward to it. The new pricing and less "luxe" is probably the way to go for Toyota and I'd love to have one someday but not at these prices. Luckily both being 500k mile vehicles built at Tahara the used market now is the way to go since it has "settled" down from the insane 2022 prices. I still wish Toyota would bring the 70 series here with safety features so it could be sold for around $45k. I don't think it would cannabalize too much. Its even more utilitarian
A Pedal Commander gave me five throttle modes for my 5th Gen 4Runner.