I'm noticing several people have mentioned feelings a bit disappointed that the combo at the end of the deck relies on Thassa's Oracle to win. If this bothers you, don't worry! Any two-card combo that relies on creatures being on the battlefield together will work. EDIT Mikaeus and Triskelion actually DON'T work because unearthed creatures go to exile instead of going to graveyard. It isn't as consistent, but you could use The Mindskinner and Syr Konrad, The Grim to potentially mill out the rest of the table. Also, it turns out you don't even need 8 mana to combo off, it's cheaper than I thought. Unearthing a creature like Peregrin Drake or Great Whale after you unearth Dregscape Sliver allows you to combo off at only six mana, rather than eight.
Two card combos aren't super interesting in general, but considering all the hoops you have to go through to make it happen, it's a lot more acceptable. This is about the only way I would tolerate a Thoracle combo in a casual pod
Two Card combo?? Booo. Those are pretty uninteresting (lack style and fun) in my view. Also, they exist for literally any EDH deck so creating a list to durdle until you get there is also uninteresting.
@dwpetrak Get over yourself dude. What would you do with a deck that can't cast spells? You can't use Gravecrawler, because that also needs to be cast. You're severely limited. I agree that this is not an interesting way to win most of the time, but you already have a very difficult combo to pull off here, so might as well limit the hoops to jump through for the win.
@@SwedeRacerDC Yeah... it is a 2 card combo as a wincon, but the self-imposed restriction makes him need another 2 card combo to put the combo in play AND a ninjutsu attack to not cast the ashes... it's really a 5 card plus an unblocked creature combo that costs 8 not including the unblocked creature and needs to pass interaction check on creature, artifact and graveyard removal. And the dude got till there without playing any spells. You have to downplay a LOT to call this lacking in style and uninteresting, this is not a list to durdle until it gets a 2card combo, it's a list trying to accomplish basic needs for a reasonable deck while not casting anything, it's more of a fun deckbuilding experiment with a ridiculous constraint rather then a durdle pile of tutors and control and a thoracle combo with countermagic backup. People just hate combos without even thinking about anything else
Yeah no as I said in the video this is one of the weakest decks I've ever made. Don't bring it to a table you actually want to win at, though a win is technically possible and would be incredibly satisfying.
13:30 For reference, even if Thassa's Oracle is removed in response to the trigger, it doesn't help. Devotion 0 still wins the game on the spot with an empty library (which is dumb, but certainly powerful).
Psychology tricks to fool anyone: - Introduce yourself as the guy who never casts spells - If someone says you are lying, say you're not casting spells - Use psychology tricks - Never cast spells
Mirrorshell crab is a channel counterspell that also counters abilities and harvester of misery is a discard to make something minus 2 minus 2. Like there are a lot of cards like this that are decent.
I would add some channel lands, good animating lands, reanimation/creature to top of library lands, and carrionette. I also suspect the low power of the deck as a whole can cause some whiplash when you pull of a hard to interact with thoracle win. Like Snail mentioned a while back. Replacing with Lab Man might help that a bit. Adding green would let you use shifting woodlands and golgari grave-troll but it might requre a commander that can't reanimate itself or put itself in play from hand/command zone. Adding white would allow using Decree of Justice and spell taxing effects.
i do understand the shock that the table may face if they're presented with this win. Although, I think that the moment I start seeing some of these cards get milled to the grave it becomes pretty clear what's happening. In addition, the whole combo has to be done in 2nd main following combat, at sorcery speed, so its hardly difficult to interact with if you have a removal spell for the sliver.
@@StragetyMTG idk, I just expected there to be some point to the not casting spells other than the exercise itself. If I make the deck I might not hard restrict myself to the not casting spells, and put in some stacks pieces that lock out spells but I can play through with my abilities.
@@Telomerase9 My Derevi deck is like that. I cast spells as needed, but combo Hivemind with Eternal Dominion to force every player to not cast spells for the rest of the game.
Note on Decree of Pain: in the video, it is said to be sorcery speed; however, it can be activated at instant speed since it is a regular cycling ability with a triggered ability on top
Definitely an interesting deck. I appreciate the inclusion of a significant number of cards that can cause you to draw cards in some way. WIthout them, I'd be concerned how you'd get your combo pieces to hand in the first place beyond the handful of tutors. Secondly, there's the fact that you have a few ways of getting the technician back from the graveyard if it gets milled in a dredging or killed on the first attempt at combo-ing. There's even buried ruin to get back the ashes if it's lost to the graveyard. I once built a deck that used a great deal of overlapping packages with this deck. It had thrasios and tormod as the commanders. It's objective was to get as much value out of tormod's ability as possible while also utilizing a number of cards that got value out of lands leaving or entering the graveyard. It'd be difficult to utilize tormod in this build unfortunately, because his swarm of zombies would be useful to help enable ninjutsu.
It's worth noting that Campfire pulls both partners to hand, so it isn't like you can't get them both out eventually. Also, two cards in hand gets you closer to discarding down to seven, in an emergency.
Sorry it didn't turn out how you hoped. Someone sent me a link to a 5 color version of this deck they created, which uses a combo I've never even seen before. I'd encourage you to check out archidekt and see what people have on there.
I came up with a meme win-con to match the meme playstyle. Follow the same steps to self milling and unearth combo, except get divining witch instead of leveler to mill your whole deck. Then unearth a palinchron to untap 7 lands, float the mana, then unearth a clone copying the palinchron to untap them again. Repeat enough times and you'll be able to unearth your whole deck and hopefully swing for the win thanks to unearth haste.
P.s. I know this is gonna take a lot more cards and mana to pull off, but this was already a silly combo deck anyway lol. Necrotic ooze is also perfect for ability-based combo wins and would take fewer cards than the palinchron clone setup
People brushing this off because the Win Con is Thassa's Oracle seem to be really biased by their hate of Thass's Oracle. The sole reason Thassa's Oracle is hated is because it's just 2 mana and can be easily combod with other cards like Demonic Consultation while being difficult to interact with, since it's a ETB trigger; while only requiring 2 cards. This deck literally has to go through so many hoops to get Thass's Oracle out and it can be easily interacted with like many other combos. This deck doesn't cast any spells, requires 5 specific cards + 1 attacking minion and is sorcery speed. By having any spot removal you can clear the sliver creature while leveler is on the stack to stop the combo while the whole deck just got exiled. You can also use any sort of graveyard hate. And it's not like it's too late to stop it once people notice the combo is going off. As soon as the sliver creature get's on the board with Ashes of the Fallen, people can immediately recognize the situation and respond accordingly. And what difference does it really make to just use 2 other creatures instead, like Mindskinner and Syr Konrad for example? Those are just 2 different creatures that just win the game when not being interacted with. Just like Thassa's Oracle. But then you wouldn't bet an eye, would you? Edit: Oh and the mana investment for the combo to be done, is 8 mana. Unlike how it's usually done with Demonic Consultation + Thassa's Oracle for 3 mana.
Having just built a Braids, Conjurer Adept deck I have to wonder if that could enable a more "standard commander" style play pattern. Getting her out using the same methods described here then mostly relying on sneaking creatures and artifacts in to pull in the win. Certainly a less brainy strategy though, if thats where the interest lies
I like it, but you'd be limited to mono-blue for your color identity. I think the rest of the deck would suffer, though you could easily fill in the missing slots with big deadly creatures. It might be worth investigating.
Leveler's ability states remove from game. Doesn't that mean exile? Since exile used to be simply known as this. I even went to companion to confirm this and that is true. Exile is totally different than from graveyard.
My reaction to the first 5 seconds of this video was "hahaha he mispronounced strategy" looking down at the channel name and going "Huh." Made me laugh, good gag
ive tried to make the same idea work before but i never finished, mine also didnt use the commander, and generally i think this sounds more fun. Im going to take some of your ideas and revisit my own, looking forwards to another dumb deck idea that somehow works occasionally
Me and my friends have been brewing this idea for maybe couple years now with derevi. The basic idea was to be this weird reanimator deck with creatures that return from graveyard. Stuff with eternalize etc. We just never built the deck because it seemed like a waste money for a deck that probably doesnt do anything. Few months ago I put the deck together and I won a game. I think I might be the best mtg player of all time.
It is an incredible deck tech. But I'm quite frankly personally disappointed as in the end it is a very interesting way to do the exact same thing as most cEDH decks - win with Thassa.
Awesome, I like your style. Not your magic play style as I like a big creature smash em up game but each to their own. I like that you present your deck idea and don't muck around with silly nonsense. So I am good sir writing a comment and subscribing and doing all that nonsense that every other deck building video has begged me to do with the sad desperation of a truck stop glory hole, [no Offense Darren it's a fine career choice and I'm sure you'll go far.] The win combo is probably best saved for the dying moments of the game but if time right and the counters and artifact smash cards are away I would hate to lose to this.
I think the unearth sliver plan is kinda bad. You need 8 mana to combo and it loses to almost any creature removal (just kill the sliver while leveler is on the stack and you can't reanimate oracle). If you add Aether vial you get an extra way to win. There is also some cards that wizards cycle which allow you to tutor Oracle. Lazotep Quarry also can "reanimate".
Ohhhhh I see the problem here. I read it as "mana value 1 or less." Thanks for pointing that out 😁. Like I said, I didn't love it in there even when I thought I could tutor it out.
I'm going to swap it out with Codex Shredder. That way it can still function as a source of mill, and can also be used to pull a key combo piece out of the graveyard in an emergency.
Not sure if i missed it, but you have ways to recur covert technician and ashes right? I know you had the one land with the artifact safety net but any time you mill its scary right?
There are a few redundancies to get the combo pieces back from the graveyard. Fortunately they're both artifacts, so Buried Ruin, Sequestered Stash, and Codex Shredder can pull them out. Covert Technician is also a creature so all the cards which return a creature from graveyard to hand (I count 5 not including the artifact recurssion) can pull it out. In an emergency, Campfire can shuffle our graveyard back into our library as well, if we have it sitting out.
That's so crazy, it just might work. The other problem with Yuriko I found was that most of the cards in the deck are lowish CMC. I can't really squeeze many big hitters in the deck, there just isn't room IMO.
Wow, that would be awesome! I don't really have any socials or anything, unfortunately. Maybe we could message over the Archidekt discord, or if you have one that works for me.
its worth noting that Urzas Saga does *not* say mana value 0 or 1 the examples you gave are legal choices, yes, but not because they have mana value 1 Urzas Saga says mana *cost* 0 or 1. The card must cost exactly 0, or exactly 1 generic. X spells, or coloured pips, or anything else that isnt exactly {0} or {1} are not legal choices for the third ability
Cool idea. However, this was so anticlimactic. This is the equivalent of playing dwarf tribal with the sole intention of getting Magda out of the 99 to win with a Magda combo lmao.
You could always try to win through creature combat. I don't think it would do very well, however. I do think that Death Tyrant and Skeleton Crew can do some work though, so it's possible.
@Hakaze I agree that empty library wincons are common these days. They don't feel as special as they used to. That being said, I think because this deck is already doing the "no casting" thing, it's just too restricted to pull off a win another way. I invite anyone to try though. As I said, restriction breeds creativity.
So I couldn't help but notice your "casual fun" list of things to include in your deck as Musts... Is everything that people would try to put into a competitive, not casual at all deck. Especially interaction and boardwipes... Every piece of interaction and boardwipe you add to the deck homogenizes the deck's strategy and turns it into basically every other deck that's out there. Yes, it'll win more, but it's not very creative or innovative. It's just repeating the same boring crap all competitive people put into their competitive decks. Which is a perfectly fine way to play the game... With likeminded competitive people. But, yet again, I am disappointed with yet another content creator who doesn't truly understand the casual mindset. It's not supposed to be about winning, it's supposed to be about "doing the thing". So unless "the thing" happens to be stopping everyone else from doing their thing, why run wipes when you could just be doing more of the thing? Yes, we've already established that adding these things improve competitive viability. But that's not a good thing if you're trying to make a "fun casual" deck... Making a better deck makes it worse to play in a casual setting. Edit: I see what you mean about your options not being "good" now -- it still manages to mostly look janky aside from thoracle. Not bad
You could really put in any combo with two or more creatures you like. Somebody took the deck and redesigned it to be 5-color with Kenrith, and they used a completely different combo. I'd look on archidekt and see what they've got.
@StragetyMTG For sure. I'm sure it took time building it and putting together something like that I'm sure was fun, learning the card interactions. I actually have a lot of fun building decks online, about as much fun, if not more than actually playing some of them haha
Of course the combo in the “no spells” deck is thoracle. No matter how someone does it, a thoracle win never feels earned, even here. Extra steps beforehand cant make thoracle look impressive to me, hope she gets banned.
I agree with you that Thoracle should be banned as it is easy to combo with and having a low mana cost. But with all due respect, the deck doesn't cast a single spell and the Thoracle Combo is also really janky since it requires you to have 5 specific cards + 1 attacking creature. It's sorcery speed and has to be done in 2nd main phase. And unlike other Toracle combos, it get's countered by simple spot removal (clear the sliver creature). Honestly what difference would it make to just use 2 other creatures to combo with instead? Like as he stated The Mindskinner and Syr Konrad. Both equally win you the game, but require the same effort. Would you then say it's not a earned victory?
People like you just confuse me, like why would you write that? Why would you be rude to a stranger bc he said something about a card game. Just be nice. And btw in an non-cedh pod yuriko is an kill on sight imo.
@nuclearfuzzbomber I don't use a script, I usually just record my thoughts as they come. I think the problem is that I'll do five or ten takes for each sentence. My apartment is extremely busy and noisy, and I also cut out a lot of the "um"s and "so"s. I also get sick a lot and have to cut out the coughs and sniffles. I wonder if reading from a script would help with that, or make the dialog sound even more artificial. It could also be that I was speaking slower in this video than usual. I wonder if that's just because it's been a while.
@stragetyMTG rereading my comment I sound a bit harsh so apologies I don't mean to dissuade! I did rewatch and it's interesting. Imo just work on the tone a bit, don't need to sound like those overly-stoked tiktok-slop guys but sounding a bit more energetic/excited goes a long way! I do some video content for my job and I create my script with a speech-to-text generator then manually edit it. Then I record using the script as a basis - the key is to keep paragraphs short and clear. Added benefit of cutting down the time it takes to edit out the umms and ahhs. Liked and subbed, always happy to see creative MTG content.
I must admit, seeing such a cool and unique deck finish a game with "leveler, thassa's oracle" is insanely disappointing. Don't get me wrong, it's hard to win under the deck's constraints. It's just IMO, decks that focus on getting rid of the library to play Thassa's Oracle are some of the laziest decks, and the antithesis of what commander is about (that being everyone has 99 cards that are all different). It reduces the game to, "you guys have fun, I'll be doing my thing over here playing a different game".
I'm noticing several people have mentioned feelings a bit disappointed that the combo at the end of the deck relies on Thassa's Oracle to win. If this bothers you, don't worry! Any two-card combo that relies on creatures being on the battlefield together will work.
EDIT Mikaeus and Triskelion actually DON'T work because unearthed creatures go to exile instead of going to graveyard.
It isn't as consistent, but you could use The Mindskinner and Syr Konrad, The Grim to potentially mill out the rest of the table.
Also, it turns out you don't even need 8 mana to combo off, it's cheaper than I thought. Unearthing a creature like Peregrin Drake or Great Whale after you unearth Dregscape Sliver allows you to combo off at only six mana, rather than eight.
Two card combos aren't super interesting in general, but considering all the hoops you have to go through to make it happen, it's a lot more acceptable. This is about the only way I would tolerate a Thoracle combo in a casual pod
Two Card combo?? Booo. Those are pretty uninteresting (lack style and fun) in my view. Also, they exist for literally any EDH deck so creating a list to durdle until you get there is also uninteresting.
@dwpetrak Get over yourself dude. What would you do with a deck that can't cast spells? You can't use Gravecrawler, because that also needs to be cast. You're severely limited. I agree that this is not an interesting way to win most of the time, but you already have a very difficult combo to pull off here, so might as well limit the hoops to jump through for the win.
@@dwpetrak you mean four-card combo? Five with commander
@@SwedeRacerDC Yeah... it is a 2 card combo as a wincon, but the self-imposed restriction makes him need another 2 card combo to put the combo in play AND a ninjutsu attack to not cast the ashes... it's really a 5 card plus an unblocked creature combo that costs 8 not including the unblocked creature and needs to pass interaction check on creature, artifact and graveyard removal. And the dude got till there without playing any spells. You have to downplay a LOT to call this lacking in style and uninteresting, this is not a list to durdle until it gets a 2card combo, it's a list trying to accomplish basic needs for a reasonable deck while not casting anything, it's more of a fun deckbuilding experiment with a ridiculous constraint rather then a durdle pile of tutors and control and a thoracle combo with countermagic backup. People just hate combos without even thinking about anything else
Light Wizard Poverty Gang: We Hate Casting Spells
Incredible comment 10/10
That's literally the first thing I thought
donating to an NGO
Light Cleric Vow of Poverty Sect.
Light warlock poverty single
When someone in your playgroup draws Rhystic Study one too many times:
"counterspell this you filthy casual"
>Cool new commander deck with new limitations and an interesting premise!
>**look inside**
>Thoracle combo
Finally, a ThOracle combo deck that I don't hate
How do you feel about primal surge thor?
Yeah, Primal Surge, thor
thanks for the shoutout. you have some really neat deck ideas.
Thanks! It means a lot.
This is one of those ideas that sounds amazing in my mind, but in reality, it is an absolute dumptser fire.
Yeah no as I said in the video this is one of the weakest decks I've ever made. Don't bring it to a table you actually want to win at, though a win is technically possible and would be incredibly satisfying.
13:30 For reference, even if Thassa's Oracle is removed in response to the trigger, it doesn't help. Devotion 0 still wins the game on the spot with an empty library (which is dumb, but certainly powerful).
15:36 so about having 0 cards in the library 🙃
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leveler exiles
@@NoOne42 Leveler exiles the library so Nexus will never go into the graveyard when you do that.
@@h1xis278 Yes, I saw the previous comment correcting that 😅
Psychology tricks to fool anyone:
- Introduce yourself as the guy who never casts spells
- If someone says you are lying, say you're not casting spells
- Use psychology tricks
- Never cast spells
It's a good thing Bojuka Bog and Scavenging Ooze aren't popular!
I actually think its hilariously poetic that one of the wildest, jankiest decks ive seen, wins with thoracle. I love it so much.
Mirrorshell crab is a channel counterspell that also counters abilities and harvester of misery is a discard to make something minus 2 minus 2. Like there are a lot of cards like this that are decent.
I would add some channel lands, good animating lands, reanimation/creature to top of library lands, and carrionette. I also suspect the low power of the deck as a whole can cause some whiplash when you pull of a hard to interact with thoracle win. Like Snail mentioned a while back. Replacing with Lab Man might help that a bit.
Adding green would let you use shifting woodlands and golgari grave-troll but it might requre a commander that can't reanimate itself or put itself in play from hand/command zone. Adding white would allow using Decree of Justice and spell taxing effects.
i do understand the shock that the table may face if they're presented with this win. Although, I think that the moment I start seeing some of these cards get milled to the grave it becomes pretty clear what's happening. In addition, the whole combo has to be done in 2nd main following combat, at sorcery speed, so its hardly difficult to interact with if you have a removal spell for the sliver.
Meanwhile the blue player ... cries. lol
That idea is original enough to forgive that combo wincon :)
Not me, I do run three ability counters because yes my tables are that level of degenerate
congrats on the video success dude. i paused like 3 hours ago and came back and you got like 150 more subs and thousands more views. keep it up lol
Thanks! I'm really surprised too, this is crazy!
Should also maybe consider the land Echoing Deeps. Enters tapped as a copy of any land card in a graveyard.
8 mana thOracle combo? Perfect.
Welcome back! Cant wait to see what youve been cooking
My man!! Welcome back. Glad to see content from you again 🎉
With ~15 basics, terrain generator is still on the table for a ramp package
awesome, just awesome. i love your takes on deck building, great work!
I LOVE this. Ordering singles as we speak
Superb jank! Top shelf actually. That's worth a sub.
All of that setup for it to just be a Thoracle combo in the end.
You could use all sorts of creature combos in there. Bloodthirsty Conqueror + Defiant Bloodlord + some way to gain life to go infinite.
And it's extremely easy to shut down, with unearth being sorcery speed. It's a big flaw unfortunately
@@StragetyMTG idk, I just expected there to be some point to the not casting spells other than the exercise itself. If I make the deck I might not hard restrict myself to the not casting spells, and put in some stacks pieces that lock out spells but I can play through with my abilities.
@@Telomerase9 My Derevi deck is like that. I cast spells as needed, but combo Hivemind with Eternal Dominion to force every player to not cast spells for the rest of the game.
i clicked on this video by accident but it was so cool that i stuck around. nice one dude
Note on Decree of Pain: in the video, it is said to be sorcery speed; however, it can be activated at instant speed since it is a regular cycling ability with a triggered ability on top
I love EDH deck building i remember when his channel first started I shared it in like 3 EDH groups
dang all this went over my head but this has gotta be the most interesting deck ive seen in a minute XD
Definitely an interesting deck. I appreciate the inclusion of a significant number of cards that can cause you to draw cards in some way. WIthout them, I'd be concerned how you'd get your combo pieces to hand in the first place beyond the handful of tutors. Secondly, there's the fact that you have a few ways of getting the technician back from the graveyard if it gets milled in a dredging or killed on the first attempt at combo-ing. There's even buried ruin to get back the ashes if it's lost to the graveyard.
I once built a deck that used a great deal of overlapping packages with this deck. It had thrasios and tormod as the commanders. It's objective was to get as much value out of tormod's ability as possible while also utilizing a number of cards that got value out of lands leaving or entering the graveyard. It'd be difficult to utilize tormod in this build unfortunately, because his swarm of zombies would be useful to help enable ninjutsu.
It's worth noting that Campfire pulls both partners to hand, so it isn't like you can't get them both out eventually. Also, two cards in hand gets you closer to discarding down to seven, in an emergency.
Very good video, it inspired me to put my idea of making a commander deck with 200 cards into practice.
Interesting idea, great vid, keep em coming
You dare jumpscare me with Thassa's Oracle after 13 minutes of buildup...
add an epic spell to this to make sure you never cast anything
How can you without casting one of the sorceries with epic?
Great ideas, I won't be using it in cmd but it will help a lot in my group's format os tribal decks
Could even make use of the Forecast mechanic, and play Writ of Passage, which can help assure your attacking creature isn't blocked for the Ninjitsu
Man I was so excited for this really interesting and unique deck building idea only for it to turn into just another thoracle combo.
Sorry it didn't turn out how you hoped. Someone sent me a link to a 5 color version of this deck they created, which uses a combo I've never even seen before. I'd encourage you to check out archidekt and see what people have on there.
Love your decks, it gives me a lot of inspiration
2:55 this is exactly why my Oloro deck has “Sigma Grindset” written on the box. He just sits there and gives me passive income while I combo off
i love edh deckbuilding!
Me too!
gawddammit, you just cannot escape the ThOracle even in a fun edh build.
I came up with a meme win-con to match the meme playstyle. Follow the same steps to self milling and unearth combo, except get divining witch instead of leveler to mill your whole deck. Then unearth a palinchron to untap 7 lands, float the mana, then unearth a clone copying the palinchron to untap them again. Repeat enough times and you'll be able to unearth your whole deck and hopefully swing for the win thanks to unearth haste.
P.s. I know this is gonna take a lot more cards and mana to pull off, but this was already a silly combo deck anyway lol. Necrotic ooze is also perfect for ability-based combo wins and would take fewer cards than the palinchron clone setup
People brushing this off because the Win Con is Thassa's Oracle seem to be really biased by their hate of Thass's Oracle. The sole reason Thassa's Oracle is hated is because it's just 2 mana and can be easily combod with other cards like Demonic Consultation while being difficult to interact with, since it's a ETB trigger; while only requiring 2 cards.
This deck literally has to go through so many hoops to get Thass's Oracle out and it can be easily interacted with like many other combos. This deck doesn't cast any spells, requires 5 specific cards + 1 attacking minion and is sorcery speed. By having any spot removal you can clear the sliver creature while leveler is on the stack to stop the combo while the whole deck just got exiled. You can also use any sort of graveyard hate. And it's not like it's too late to stop it once people notice the combo is going off. As soon as the sliver creature get's on the board with Ashes of the Fallen, people can immediately recognize the situation and respond accordingly.
And what difference does it really make to just use 2 other creatures instead, like Mindskinner and Syr Konrad for example? Those are just 2 different creatures that just win the game when not being interacted with. Just like Thassa's Oracle. But then you wouldn't bet an eye, would you?
Edit: Oh and the mana investment for the combo to be done, is 8 mana. Unlike how it's usually done with Demonic Consultation + Thassa's Oracle for 3 mana.
We’ve done it folks. We broke Thassa’s Oracle!
yo! love the deck. cheers man!
Having just built a Braids, Conjurer Adept deck I have to wonder if that could enable a more "standard commander" style play pattern. Getting her out using the same methods described here then mostly relying on sneaking creatures and artifacts in to pull in the win. Certainly a less brainy strategy though, if thats where the interest lies
I like it, but you'd be limited to mono-blue for your color identity. I think the rest of the deck would suffer, though you could easily fill in the missing slots with big deadly creatures. It might be worth investigating.
Leveler's ability states remove from game. Doesn't that mean exile? Since exile used to be simply known as this.
I even went to companion to confirm this and that is true. Exile is totally different than from graveyard.
Yes it just exiles the library
What happens if you mill ashes of the fallen or covert technician
There are a few cards that can be sacrificed to return an artifact from graveyard to hand or top of the library
Vedalkan aethermage dream package.
My reaction to the first 5 seconds of this video was "hahaha he mispronounced strategy" looking down at the channel name and going "Huh." Made me laugh, good gag
I feel like there’s a good manifest/manifest dread non casting deck that would be actually powerful but I don’t have the brain power to make it.
ive tried to make the same idea work before but i never finished, mine also didnt use the commander, and generally i think this sounds more fun.
Im going to take some of your ideas and revisit my own, looking forwards to another dumb deck idea that somehow works occasionally
Me and my friends have been brewing this idea for maybe couple years now with derevi. The basic idea was to be this weird reanimator deck with creatures that return from graveyard. Stuff with eternalize etc. We just never built the deck because it seemed like a waste money for a deck that probably doesnt do anything. Few months ago I put the deck together and I won a game. I think I might be the best mtg player of all time.
Trassa’s Oracle on the stack, response?
Cast Peerless Recycling, giving the gift and targeting these two
It is an incredible deck tech. But I'm quite frankly personally disappointed as in the end it is a very interesting way to do the exact same thing as most cEDH decks - win with Thassa.
I built a hoggak deck that’s whole theme is to not hard cast any spells so if I can cast a spell by not spending any mana it’s fair game.
Awesome, I like your style. Not your magic play style as I like a big creature smash em up game but each to their own. I like that you present your deck idea and don't muck around with silly nonsense. So I am good sir writing a comment and subscribing and doing all that nonsense that every other deck building video has begged me to do with the sad desperation of a truck stop glory hole, [no Offense Darren it's a fine career choice and I'm sure you'll go far.]
The win combo is probably best saved for the dying moments of the game but if time right and the counters and artifact smash cards are away I would hate to lose to this.
We did it! We broke Thassa!
Bit disappointed that the win con is Thassa's Oracle, but still really neat.
I think the unearth sliver plan is kinda bad. You need 8 mana to combo and it loses to almost any creature removal (just kill the sliver while leveler is on the stack and you can't reanimate oracle). If you add Aether vial you get an extra way to win. There is also some cards that wizards cycle which allow you to tutor Oracle. Lazotep Quarry also can "reanimate".
Ngl might build this and see people's reactions to a deck that doesn't cast spells at my lgs
Love the idea i may try it
same destination...different route...im here for different destinations and scenery...not just a change of pace
I may have missed something but wouldnt one have to cast those artifacts that let you tutor the lands to go get narfi? Maybe i am missing something
Urza's Saga puts them onto the battlefield without needing to cast them. That would be the only way to access them.
@StragetyMTG gotcha. Seems like you'll have to aggressively mulligan with this deck. Pretty cool though man, liked and subbed.
This is super cool!
Question: did you put Waterlogged Hulk in because you thought you could fetch it with Urza's Saga?
Yeah, that was the thought. Admittedly It's the one card I had the most doubts on including.
Ohhhhh I see the problem here. I read it as "mana value 1 or less." Thanks for pointing that out 😁. Like I said, I didn't love it in there even when I thought I could tutor it out.
I'm going to swap it out with Codex Shredder. That way it can still function as a source of mill, and can also be used to pull a key combo piece out of the graveyard in an emergency.
@@StragetyMTG My thoughts exactly!
I really wish the win con was something more interesting/exciting. Oh well, you take what you can make
what if you played one spell and it was stand still
Sounds like a fun deck theme on it's own. Unfortunately it is absolutely impossible for me to ever cast a spell in this deck.
I like the deck's creativity, and I hate dredge in other formats, so this jank is ok with me
Not sure if i missed it, but you have ways to recur covert technician and ashes right? I know you had the one land with the artifact safety net but any time you mill its scary right?
There are a few redundancies to get the combo pieces back from the graveyard. Fortunately they're both artifacts, so Buried Ruin, Sequestered Stash, and Codex Shredder can pull them out. Covert Technician is also a creature so all the cards which return a creature from graveyard to hand (I count 5 not including the artifact recurssion) can pull it out. In an emergency, Campfire can shuffle our graveyard back into our library as well, if we have it sitting out.
Uriko can be put in from a man land😮
That's so crazy, it just might work. The other problem with Yuriko I found was that most of the cards in the deck are lowish CMC. I can't really squeeze many big hitters in the deck, there just isn't room IMO.
@StragetyMTG don't forget the plant token from garden and the can't be blocked from thieves passage lol
@@joeaquilino19 If I was running green I would SLAM Khalni Gardens into this deck.
leyline of the void
Awesome video! Do you have any socails? would love to reach out for a colab :)
Wow, that would be awesome! I don't really have any socials or anything, unfortunately. Maybe we could message over the Archidekt discord, or if you have one that works for me.
@@StragetyMTG Awesome, ill look for you there
but how do you get cards in the graveyard? :(
Cycling, lands that allow you to draw and discard, or just draw and discard down to seven to start. Dredge and mill lands work for incremental mill.
so basically you reinvented manaless dredge, but with mana
Kindof! Flashback requires you to cast, so obviously that wouldn't work in here. Plus manless dredge us usually more than two colors I believe.
2:04 creature lands!!
HES BACK!!!!1!
Was genuinely intrigued... and then the fish wizard showed up :( Good idea tho.
its worth noting that Urzas Saga does *not* say mana value 0 or 1
the examples you gave are legal choices, yes, but not because they have mana value 1
Urzas Saga says mana *cost* 0 or 1. The card must cost exactly 0, or exactly 1 generic. X spells, or coloured pips, or anything else that isnt exactly {0} or {1} are not legal choices for the third ability
ive made a deck that also doesnt cast spells that runs all 5 epic spells. p funny deck concept
subbing bcus 650 subs and 11k views feels criminal
This is omega brain
Bro said spells are for nerds
Cool idea. However, this was so anticlimactic.
This is the equivalent of playing dwarf tribal with the sole intention of getting Magda out of the 99 to win with a Magda combo lmao.
glorpulous
This deck loses to a triple stifle
Boo, I was on board until Thoracle win. Not gonna be fun at a casual table, too bad for competitive. This deck belongs nowhere
ur voice is really abrasive sometimes
Empty library wincons are so boring
You could always try to win through creature combat. I don't think it would do very well, however. I do think that Death Tyrant and Skeleton Crew can do some work though, so it's possible.
@StragetyMTG Not dunking on the deck, it's just such a over used wincon these days. Thassa, Jace and Lab Man.
@Hakaze I agree that empty library wincons are common these days. They don't feel as special as they used to. That being said, I think because this deck is already doing the "no casting" thing, it's just too restricted to pull off a win another way. I invite anyone to try though. As I said, restriction breeds creativity.
I hate counter spells the deck
So I couldn't help but notice your "casual fun" list of things to include in your deck as Musts... Is everything that people would try to put into a competitive, not casual at all deck. Especially interaction and boardwipes... Every piece of interaction and boardwipe you add to the deck homogenizes the deck's strategy and turns it into basically every other deck that's out there. Yes, it'll win more, but it's not very creative or innovative. It's just repeating the same boring crap all competitive people put into their competitive decks. Which is a perfectly fine way to play the game... With likeminded competitive people. But, yet again, I am disappointed with yet another content creator who doesn't truly understand the casual mindset. It's not supposed to be about winning, it's supposed to be about "doing the thing". So unless "the thing" happens to be stopping everyone else from doing their thing, why run wipes when you could just be doing more of the thing? Yes, we've already established that adding these things improve competitive viability. But that's not a good thing if you're trying to make a "fun casual" deck... Making a better deck makes it worse to play in a casual setting.
Edit: I see what you mean about your options not being "good" now -- it still manages to mostly look janky aside from thoracle. Not bad
Booo, all that for a leveler/oracle combo? Lame.
You could really put in any combo with two or more creatures you like. Somebody took the deck and redesigned it to be 5-color with Kenrith, and they used a completely different combo. I'd look on archidekt and see what they've got.
Good God I'm sorry but this deck is so bad... xD There's just too many what if scenarios.
I can agree to that, it's not likely to win often at all. But the challenge is part of the fun!
@StragetyMTG For sure. I'm sure it took time building it and putting together something like that I'm sure was fun, learning the card interactions. I actually have a lot of fun building decks online, about as much fun, if not more than actually playing some of them haha
Of course the combo in the “no spells” deck is thoracle. No matter how someone does it, a thoracle win never feels earned, even here. Extra steps beforehand cant make thoracle look impressive to me, hope she gets banned.
I agree with you that Thoracle should be banned as it is easy to combo with and having a low mana cost. But with all due respect, the deck doesn't cast a single spell and the Thoracle Combo is also really janky since it requires you to have 5 specific cards + 1 attacking creature. It's sorcery speed and has to be done in 2nd main phase. And unlike other Toracle combos, it get's countered by simple spot removal (clear the sliver creature).
Honestly what difference would it make to just use 2 other creatures to combo with instead? Like as he stated The Mindskinner and Syr Konrad. Both equally win you the game, but require the same effort. Would you then say it's not a earned victory?
you do not kill on sight yuriko noob.
People like you just confuse me, like why would you write that?
Why would you be rude to a stranger bc he said something about a card game.
Just be nice.
And btw in an non-cedh pod yuriko is an kill on sight imo.
Was pulled in by the thumbnail and video proposition but the robotic AI voice made me bail.
Fair criticism. Just to confirm, that IS my actual voice. I've often been told that my voice is very monotoned, even beyond UA-cam.
Are you reading from a script? That may be why the cadence is stilted.
@nuclearfuzzbomber I don't use a script, I usually just record my thoughts as they come. I think the problem is that I'll do five or ten takes for each sentence. My apartment is extremely busy and noisy, and I also cut out a lot of the "um"s and "so"s. I also get sick a lot and have to cut out the coughs and sniffles.
I wonder if reading from a script would help with that, or make the dialog sound even more artificial. It could also be that I was speaking slower in this video than usual. I wonder if that's just because it's been a while.
@@StragetyMTG i didnt see much of a issue keep it up gang you got this
@stragetyMTG rereading my comment I sound a bit harsh so apologies I don't mean to dissuade! I did rewatch and it's interesting.
Imo just work on the tone a bit, don't need to sound like those overly-stoked tiktok-slop guys but sounding a bit more energetic/excited goes a long way! I do some video content for my job and I create my script with a speech-to-text generator then manually edit it. Then I record using the script as a basis - the key is to keep paragraphs short and clear. Added benefit of cutting down the time it takes to edit out the umms and ahhs.
Liked and subbed, always happy to see creative MTG content.
I must admit, seeing such a cool and unique deck finish a game with "leveler, thassa's oracle" is insanely disappointing. Don't get me wrong, it's hard to win under the deck's constraints. It's just IMO, decks that focus on getting rid of the library to play Thassa's Oracle are some of the laziest decks, and the antithesis of what commander is about (that being everyone has 99 cards that are all different). It reduces the game to, "you guys have fun, I'll be doing my thing over here playing a different game".