It is amazing that the improvement was obvious even on a YT recording. As mentioned, not for everyone. I'll continue to invest in digital playback with its crazy set of problems. There you can spend $20k on a low phase noise clock.
As I read it even if you enlarge the hole you need to use this device every time you play a record with an off-centre hole. Surely someone can come up with a protractor like device that enables you to cut an enlarged and properly centred hole into which you can drop a new centre spindle like on a 7 inch record giving a permanent fix at a fraction of the cost.
Thank you for your review. But I am a little bit surprised about your almost reserved review. In my small collection a tall number of records have a too big center hole. Only the price is too high for too many of us. But it is the most important device of the decade. Not one of the many 50.000+ Dollar million dollar turntable has such a function :-)
Big difference, especially the second record. I'm wondering if it would make as big a difference with direct-drive turntables, which I find have a certain relentless quality to them?
Great device, but they need to get that price down. I understand it's a precision tool, but it seems very high- It has laser tracking software and determines eccentricity. Not sure why it's that much.
So the net is - for $6K you can ensure your records are cut dead center. I think I'll sit back, relax, pick whatever playlist of digital music from millions of songs available to stream for continuous playback. Nothing against vinyl except another reason to not go back to it. Happy listening everyone!
That gadget is as close to audio foolery you can,It will depend on how centered the pressing you have. If the record was not perfect centered when pressed. it will work on some records.
Two questions. (1)When you remove the DS Audio ES 001 and replace it with a record stabilizer, do you think the record moves? (2)When you record, do you go directly from the phono preamp to the recording device or do you go through a line preamp? Thanks
They need to come up something where once centered, you press a button and it lasers on 8 dots around the hole.....after you play the record, you take it off and fill your burred out hole with quick setting liquid plastic and then you draw lines connecting the dots it made and take it out on your audiophile drill press and drill a brand new hole that's centered. Based on what people will pay for this fun device, they'll probably be able to sell the goop for 500 a bottle and the drill press for a hundred grand!
Would prefer an ABA test, where you go back to the un-centered condition after having listened to the centered condition. The second, badly off-center, LP sounds like music from "Young Frankenstein".
You need to place your camera (phone?) on a stable stand. It looks like the whole turntable is swaying back and forth, so it’s hard to tell if the record is off-center or not from the camera’s view.
The Nakamichi Dragon CT Turntable seem to do the same thing in an easier convenient way ( I just realized it functions similarly to balancing car wheels). But it never took off. Maybe price, I recall $7700.00 in the eighties at a local dealer. Seemed to work but they had better-sounding tables for a lot less. ua-cam.com/video/G0UKRLYgEk8/v-deo.html
Or enjoy it as is, I could hardly hear the difference, you think a starving artist that's trying to play what's on this record note for note gives a damn about this?, enjoy the music as is.
In a way, the ES 001 is a ridiculous device. Why don't turntable manufacturers make turntables that center records? The SME 60 is a $66,000 turntable! Insane! And yet records sit wildly off balance?
Its BS, that's why, anything to get a fool to part with his money, if you really appreciate music this wouldn't matter, I could hardly hear the difference.
Are you going to pick one up for yourself? I'll wait for something that does a similar job, permanently applies the fix, and sells for less than a hundred bucks.
This is just a repackaged $50 Chinese security camera with IR motion detection. it's a low-res camera that detects motion shift from the IR LED light from the inner grooves reflected. It's the same logic as motion detection in those cheap $50 Chinese security cameras where the moving subject is framed in the playback. I guarantee that if this thing was taken apart you would find the insides of a Wyze-type security camera... but cheaper because worse image sensor and no wifi.
Very interesting indeed! I might be crazy but I am hearing better dynamics and more detail after correction. Many thanks for sharing.
There is probably an app that could do the same thing for 30 dollars.
Shocking results! I wish the price wasn’t what it is.
It is amazing that the improvement was obvious even on a YT recording.
As mentioned, not for everyone. I'll continue to invest in digital playback with its crazy set of problems. There you can spend $20k on a low phase noise clock.
I don’t normally have problems with expensive hifi gear but the price tag is just ridiculous.
That thing is amazing. It’s worth every penny.
Where do I send a contribution to the tripod purchase fund?
As I read it even if you enlarge the hole you need to use this device every time you play a record with an off-centre hole. Surely someone can come up with a protractor like device that enables you to cut an enlarged and properly centred hole into which you can drop a new centre spindle like on a 7 inch record giving a permanent fix at a fraction of the cost.
Often, I have found, no enlargement is necessary. There’s sufficient play to correct the eccentricity.
And yes you need to use it each time but as I continue using it the time it takes is minimal…like stylus cleaning…
Did I miss where you actually show the process to alter the spindle hole ?
Expensive? Perhaps, but that is an insane improvement!
Thank you for your review. But I am a little bit surprised about your almost reserved review. In my small collection a tall number of records have a too big center hole. Only the price is too high for too many of us. But it is the most important device of the decade. Not one of the many 50.000+ Dollar million dollar turntable has such a function :-)
looks like an item a record store or audio shop could invest in to provide a chargeable service to collectors.
That’s a good idea.
A 30 dollar app could probably do the same thing.
Big difference, especially the second record. I'm wondering if it would make as big a difference with direct-drive turntables, which I find have a certain relentless quality to them?
Great device, but they need to get that price down. I understand it's a precision tool, but it seems very high- It has laser tracking software and determines eccentricity. Not sure why it's that much.
Very cool device!
So the net is - for $6K you can ensure your records are cut dead center. I think I'll sit back, relax, pick whatever playlist of digital music from millions of songs available to stream for continuous playback. Nothing against vinyl except another reason to not go back to it. Happy listening everyone!
His floor is probably uneven.
That gadget is as close to audio foolery you can,It will depend on how centered the pressing you have. If the record was not perfect centered when pressed. it will work on some records.
Two questions. (1)When you remove the DS Audio ES 001 and replace it with a record stabilizer, do you think the record moves? (2)When you record, do you go directly from the phono preamp to the recording device or do you go through a line preamp? Thanks
hmm, on the first record, after the centering, it sounded as if someone had tuned the piano
They need to come up something where once centered, you press a button and it lasers on 8 dots around the hole.....after you play the record, you take it off and fill your burred out hole with quick setting liquid plastic and then you draw lines connecting the dots it made and take it out on your audiophile drill press and drill a brand new hole that's centered. Based on what people will pay for this fun device, they'll probably be able to sell the goop for 500 a bottle and the drill press for a hundred grand!
Would prefer an ABA test, where you go back to the un-centered condition after having listened to the centered condition. The second, badly off-center, LP sounds like music from "Young Frankenstein".
You need to place your camera (phone?) on a stable stand. It looks like the whole turntable is swaying back and forth, so it’s hard to tell if the record is off-center or not from the camera’s view.
It is off center.
The Nakamichi Dragon CT Turntable seem to do the same thing in an easier convenient way ( I just realized it functions similarly to balancing car wheels). But it never took off. Maybe price, I recall $7700.00 in the eighties at a local dealer. Seemed to work but they had better-sounding tables for a lot less. ua-cam.com/video/G0UKRLYgEk8/v-deo.html
Got to be out of your mind to spend 6k on this thing. How about record companies press the records correctly
Or enjoy it as is, I could hardly hear the difference, you think a starving artist that's trying to play what's on this record note for note gives a damn about this?, enjoy the music as is.
Or love the music as is, what do you think the greatest musicians were listening to?, the same off centered records.
In a way, the ES 001 is a ridiculous device. Why don't turntable manufacturers make turntables that center records? The SME 60 is a $66,000 turntable! Insane! And yet records sit wildly off balance?
Its BS, that's why, anything to get a fool to part with his money, if you really appreciate music this wouldn't matter, I could hardly hear the difference.
Eccentricity stabilizing device? Can you use it on yourself?
@@edd2771 Depends whether your eccentricity is mechanical or mental…
I kept yelling “ Michael! Behind you! There’s a killer robot!”
Cool thingie . Not for me though
My sister is eccentric. I hope she's not remounted.
Are you going to pick one up for yourself? I'll wait for something that does a similar job, permanently applies the fix, and sells for less than a hundred bucks.
it does not look 100% centered
This is just a repackaged $50 Chinese security camera with IR motion detection. it's a low-res camera that detects motion shift from the IR LED light from the inner grooves reflected. It's the same logic as motion detection in those cheap $50 Chinese security cameras where the moving subject is framed in the playback. I guarantee that if this thing was taken apart you would find the insides of a Wyze-type security camera... but cheaper because worse image sensor and no wifi.
6000 Euros !!!
couldn't focus much on differences since I was distracted by that horrible buzz, noise and pops, how can people listen to music like that in 2023
Too much hassle and too expensive