Scoring with World Instrument Samples
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- Today we take a musical journey to Southeast Asia exploring the instruments, scales and unique and inspiring sounds of this extraordinary part of the world. The sample library we’re looking at is called Sangara and it comes from Orchestral Tools as part of an ongoing partnership with composing legend Richard Harvey. But we're diving into the whole process of working with world instruments and how you integrate them into a modern cinematic score.
In this extended tutorial we will:
• Hear from Richard Harvey on the creation of this new library
• Have a quick tour of the library itself
• Discuss the pentatonic scales of South East Asia
• Write a piece of music using the library and some of the scales
Learn more about scoring cinematic music for Thinkspace Education - www.thinkspaceeducation.com
Sangara from Orchestral Tools - www.orchestraltools.com/store...
"Musical Scales of the World" - Michael Hewitt (Author)
Richard Harvey's website - www.richardharvey.net/
00:00 Hello Everybody
01:55 Richard Harvey
4:33 First look at Sangara
06:54 Musical Scales of the World
12:18 The idea
16:27 The Scoring Bit
42:43 Playthrough
44:27 Final thoughts
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Hi Guy,
I could not stop smiling while watching this clip. As a Thai person (who is joining the TSE MFA program this month), your coverage of the Thai flute (your pronunciation of “Khluy” was pretty spot on), Thai dulcimer (“Khim”) as well as other instruments from the SEA region was very informative and accurate. Your explanation in regard to the pentatonic scale, which is very distinctive to Gamalan music but is not always as clear in traditional Thai music is accurate (due to how the notes are spreaded with different frequency in a scale compare to the western music). I can also hear “Issan” (Northeastern region of Thailand) dialect in the flute demonstration, especially at the beginning.
Linguistically speaking, different region of Thailand has its own distinctive dialect, which, I believe, contributed and gave rise to distinctive musical styles specific to a particular region. Hence, you may hear music compositions that contain different compositional elements despite being played by the same instruments etc.
Thank you for sharing this video showcasing another angle of the Thai culture and the SEA region. I have also recently came to realize that you can also speak a little bit of Thai (as evident in one of the YT videos) and was pleasantly surprised and super impressed 🙏
Thank you Fab and welcome to you MFA!
Thank you for the warm welcome 🙏
I originally found you channel because I wanted to create some game music. This year I became interested in creating meditation music and you suddenly post this video! Tremendous gratitude❤. You just saved me from searching the internet for many hours. Thank you ☺🙏
I had the lucky chance to meet Richard Harvey when he was a Gryphon member, and we became friends.
As an Indonesian, this library is such a gem. Gonna have to get it sometime! Thank you for the review, Guy!
Fantastic sounds! I love hearing Thai traditional music on traditional instruments. That 7-Equal scale is a real ear-bender, but it works when they do it, somehow.
I have been following your channel for several years. I love that you show the entire creation process, without shame or mistakes.
Absolutely loved this video, Guy. I think Ennio Morricone probably wrote the book on how to fuse ethnic instrumentation with a Western sensibility with his beautiful score for the movie 'The Mission' (it is a blissful composition), and ever since I've been fascinated by ethnic instruments played within a Western orchestral context (we used to call this 'Fourth World' music back when dinosaurs roamed the Earth). Other notable composers in this genre include Ryuichi Sakamoto (RIP) and Gabriel Yared (his stunning theme for the film 'The Lover' was without doubt the best thing about that movie). Anyway, enough babbling. Thanks for introducing me to this amazing sound library. A high-quality *SE Asian-specific* sound library is such a rare beast! I'm putting this on my shopping list!
The Mission is my favourite score and one of my very favourite films
I believe there are micro-tuning plugins that could map musical scales, other that the western 12-tone", to a standard keyboard so that the correct frequencies are actually played instead of approximations,
After watching your video I purchased musical scales of the world. Thanks for the tip. A great reference book and well documented.
Very helpful! Thanks for posting!
This is fantastic. I love the sounds and how you described how they work. Thank you for this review.
Another excellent video Guy, thank you. I've just bought the book you mentioned 'Musical Scales of the World' for my Kindle. £2.50. Bargain.
I'll be writing music using the Kora scales of Western Africa, before you can say 'Guy Mitchelmore is a great teacher!'
Excellent Tutorial! Keep up and well done.
Well done as usual sir. Great walk-thru on World instruments and their application. Inspired me to go listen to these instruments in their authentic settings. Thanks
Super cool approach from Richard.
Cultural context is really important! Honestly I've been kicking myself for not paying more attention to this in my previous years of music productions .
Awesome video! I love new age-world music! Makes me want to travel across the globe! ✈🌍
When you switched on the lights, the studio looks so cosy
bravo!
Print and send it!
Love the sunglasses.
Vey impressive collection, but as a sample library developer who lives in South East Asia, I’m happy to see they still left a few gaps for me to fill in…like the Ty Ba.
29:06 suddenly starts sounding a bit like parts of the catchy Age of Empires 2 soundtrack.
Very Very Good
Love ya Guy!
Every time I watch your UA-cam videos or course content (done your trailer course and bootcamp orchestration), I want the libraries that you use! This gets expensive! However, it's how you use them that makes them great. €399 plus tax is not feasible at the moment, so I may just buy one or two of the instruments for now. Also been looking at Pigments and rather keen on that too!
My mantra needs to be 'You don't need more libraries, you don't need more libraries'
Hmm. I loved the music and it was a nice library. I don’t usually go in for non-western instrument libraries because I don’t feel the library format does them justice but that changed my mind. Also, your orchestration course looks awesome. Odd that I hadn’t paid attention to the full ad before. I might check it out too. Thanks Again!
Hiiii Guy, one more time, you’ve inspired a way to start from nowhere to somewhere 😊! That was very cool !👍🏼
Hi Guy, this is great!!! As someone who studied composition of traditional Korean instruments in South Korea I would say the description to the scales and temperaments can be very tricky. I love what Richard has done. I just wish someone would come up with this for Korean traditional Instruments. They are so many and living in London now means I do not have access to those sounds. I wish the world could hear them. Simply amazing. Just like Ricard said. Thank you for the review.
I think Richard Harvey certainly has a lot up his sleeve, especially in co-operation with Orchestral Tools. Their collaboration has so far brought us three very extensive and acclaimed collections (Andea, Abacus and Sångara). I'm still amazed that despite the number of instruments, they have sampled them in such detail. At first glance there may not seem to be that many articulations, but on the one hand there are variations/variants of these controlled by CC and on the other hand they are all also played traditionally. I think that these three libraries, and hopefully more in the future, outperform the UVI World Suite with the way they have been sampled. Yes, this collection still covers more regions of the world, but it comes with far fewer instruments per region and a smaller number of articulations. Furthermore, I am convinced that with a view to the future, OT can build up a huge smorgasbord, almost an archive of world instruments that could be unrivalled.
It is not unrealistic that there may be a collection of Korean instruments in the future.
If I recall correctly, "Discovery Series: East Asia" by Native Instruments should have a few Korean instruments you could check out!
'Welcome Princess Leia' 😂 Spat out my coffee hahaaa
I hope it warms up for you in the not too distant future, Guy! (It's Summer here). I've often made the physical journey to SE Asia, as my wife comes from there. As I write, beside me on my deck is a bamboo shaker which I picked up in the island of Palawan, that I used on my most recent track.
Bello/Magnifico.🎂🎂🎂🎂🎂🎂
where has the Native Instruments S88 MK2 gone?
To the other studio - I swapped it with the arturia for a bit
@@ThinkSpaceEducation oh good, I thought that it failed you. Do you suffer from the keys becoming noisy? Clicky? Just wondering. As I am having these issues after 2 years.
@@rdalcroft3934 I have the MkII S88 and i have had it about 16 months and some of the keys have started to click and it is almost as if they have tiny lateral movements that cause it...quite frustrating considering the cost of them!
@@ZoolsEpicMusic Yes a simple re-grease, using the Yamaha Blue grease, will fix it. The lateral movement, is caused by the grease wearing our over time. If you search the Native Instruments forums, I have a guide on how to do this there. This is the third time I have replied to you. I gather external links are not allowed. Second reply, just got deleted. We will see if this one sticks.
Thanks I will search it out!@@rdalcroft3934
That's a gorgeous chord progression, can I steal some of it for a trance track? I think I will. Thanks Guy, you're the best 😘 Inspiration Gained.
@ThinkSpaceEduction, Sup Guy and greetings from Sydney Australia.
I'm a guy who was diagnosed with ADHD in his early 20s turning 40 this year, I love to make music for fun but I always get stuck in a loop, I find it hard to follow certain videos, but I can create various genres. I'd love to see you produce some Hardstyle music hehe.
Btw Happy New Year.
Very interesting Guy - I'm a fan of 'world' instruments and music from across the planet. My ambition is to combine an English Morris Dance tune with Algerian Rai. Oddly enough I haven't managed it yet 🙂 The Orchestral Tools instruments are always excellent though I am picking them up one at a time through their annual 25 euro voucher. It may take a while. They also have an excellent tutorial series on composition and other aspects of music production - a great companion to your always very engaging videos.
This is great. One of the best things about visiting a new country is discovering new instruments.
What bugs me about these lovely VST libraries is that I have to spend hours building templates and mapping articulations for Cubase. Why don't more companies supply such things for popular DAW? Surely they have such things for testing, why not just give them away?
Perfect timing. I just bought Jade Ethnic Orchestra by Strezov Sampling. Have you reviewed this Library in the past? Somehow the eastern instruments resonate so much for me. I must have a past life connection or something! lol. Side note: Did you trade-in/retire your MK2? This is the first time I saw the Arturia Keylab on your desk!
Just noticed someone already asked you about the MK2 being M.I.A. Got my answer...
Jade is wonderful so original and well executed
Glad you drop the strings.
which headphones do used ? HD600 ?
Looks like Sennheiser HD 600. I have Beyerdynamic DT 990 Pro, which I really like: Also open backed and about half the price of Sennheiser HD 600.
I have 600 and 650s can’t remember which they are
@@ThinkSpaceEducation thanks
@@ThinkSpaceEducation Looks like HD 600 (blue tab), HD 650 has (I think) a white tab. What you mean this is wandering off into the weeds.
It never really looks like winter where you are. Always green grass, green leaves. 🙂
South coast - I know
You can release this on any New Age album...😉
Sounds like something captain Picard would play on his flute
Wonderful samples. But I think you should be well known for being patient in order to use them.
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I looked this library. The very interesting thing is that you can buy seperatly each instrument. I'm living in north-east Thailand beside Lao. The most traditional instrument is the Khao which is very used in much modern songs. The real sound is between harmonica ( bringed by american soldiers delivering Europe in 1944 ) and accordion. I listened this instrument in this library but ther's a problem, it's played with tremolos I never heard in traditional or modern songs of Thailand. Even the price of 30$ isn't expensive, but I have doubts about the real authenticity of its recording. Wasn't it done to be better by using with occidental instruments in occidental scale ? I am not sure. So sorry to this man, I will not get this sound. Flutes or other instruments may be real, but this sampled sound is not as it is used in Lao or Thailand ... 🤔 About other instruments, you can make comparison with many instruments used in 29th november 2002 by indian orchestra playing Ravi Shankar's music in first part of Concert for George ( Harrison). The video is wonderful.
Hey! Being from Thailand, you may have heard of Kun Sombat Simla, who played the Khaen for us in our recording sessions for Sangara. We recorded all possible articulations like single sustains, staccatos, chords, etc. we also recorded some swells and tremolos that are not too common, but I can say for sure when I’ve heard the live Khaen playing before you do hear some tremolos for effect, tremolo chords at the ends of pieces, little flutter-tongues and so on. The main thing is, as Sombat is so respected, we’d never ask him to do something impossible, or out of his comfort zone. He was happy to provide everything the instrument can do. I hope recording a couple of extra useful articulations doesn’t put you off buying the instrument if you have a use for it! 👍🏻
Quick tip to improve your English grammar. The past tense of "bring" is "brought" (not "bringed". Not a big deal, given that a lot of American native English speakers also have terrible grammar.
Sometimes it's helpful to change perspective. Am I cooking british if I put vinegar on my french fries and call them chips? Serving mince sauce and porridge? I was often to the UK and had very good food there, but I am not a Brit and therefore my interpretation of the cusine will always be a chlichee unless I spend years and years to get the whole thing.
Are Congas Latin percussion instruments? Sure they are! Are the Linn Congas and thier usage in Franke Goes to Hollywoods tunes authentic? Surely not. But stilll i like them. And millions of people danced to it. Is that disrespectful? I don't know. Vinegar and potatos go good together, even if I can't recite Shakespeare.
In that sense: Your tune is like potatos with soy sauce. I like it but it's not about "going down a river in Thailand", it is what western people would expect to hear in a BBC documentary about "going down an river in Thailand" ... and there's nothing wrong with that, unless you claim that that tune is "authentic Thai" ... "somwhere nice and warm" as you put it.
PS.: Potatos are originally from South America. Cucumbers from the Himalaya. Apples from China. This is indonesian music: ua-cam.com/video/9EXA-dzsn_Q/v-deo.html
If only I had hundreds of dollars