I liked Raihan’s solution of “team that lets Dragon types do their best under weather”. It’s still the type, but it’s something, and it’s a viable team strategy in actual competitive.
@@onetallpheeeshexcept it wasn't a "hot" team. It was a "fire type" team. But even if it was a "hot" team, care to explain to me, using *only* pg terms, how a lopunny is a "hot" Pokémon?
To answer questions about Keldeo being the only choice: Deer are more closely related to whales than to horses. This means Wyrdeer, Sawsbuck, and Xerneas don't count. Verizion likely also is a deer. This is also true for giraffes and camels, so no Farigiraf or Camerupt. Most other potential choices don't actually have hooves: Arceus, Cobalion, Terrakion. and Dialga, for example. Giratina is legally an insect due to its 6 legs, which are not horses. Bastiodon is likely based on ceratopsid dinosaurs, whose closest living relatives would be birds. Heatran is like a shell-less turtle or something. And as much as I'd like to ride on one, Scolipede is definitely not a horse either. The real question is, is Revavroom a horse? It can learn High Horsepower...
@@onetallpheeesh Cetaceans are also *Euungulata*, which is what I meant by being more closely related to whales than horses. Thus, if you include any ungulates, you'd also open up the option for Wailord, Cetitan, and Palafin to be horses. You'd also be counting all pigs as horses - Grumpig, Emboar, Oinkolonge - and Hippopowdon, who I think is the only hippo we have. Also, rhinoceroses in Rhyperior,, which are more closely related to actual horses than anything else I've listed. So yeah. I'll accept "all ungulates count" if you can look me dead in the eye and tell me Wailord is a horse.
Thank you for the positive feedback! This is indeed our first attempt at such a video, and, due to the warm response, we'll definitely make this a series!
If Pokemon had more big trainers that used strong Pokemon/favorites or a theme more often that'd make for tougher battles. That way people wouldn't be able to destroy important trainers as easily. Trainers like: Red, Blue, Cynthia, N, Ghetsis, Namura, Getta, certain professors, etc.
This is a such a great concept I am glad you are making it. Two things I would like to ask: - 1st Why not use Galarian Rapidash also? It is different enough in both design and typing to earn a spot on the team and Fairy type could have been a boost to the team. Though looking at the data you seem to handle well all typess that fairy is good against. I am just interested in your reasoning. 2nd - Have you considered also making, for a future series, the "best possible team of every type" Like design powerful viable Gym Leader teams? That would be fascinating to watch.
Thank you so much! And great questions! 1st: Since Rapidash and Galarian Rapidash are classified as the same species, we can't use both due to Pokémon Showdown's "Species Clause" which states that you can't have two of "the same Pokémon species" on the same team. 2nd: We haven't considered making such a series, but that's a good idea!
I I love Mudsdale so much, I use it in every game its in but real question tho, I noticed you didn't use Heavy slam for mudsdale? Mudsdale weights like 2800 (If I remember correctly) Is there a damage number threshold for the move? and I cannot wait for that dog team cuz that the team I used on my first S/V play through (I didn't like the final evos of the starters very much)
Great taste, pal! Mudsdale is so awesome ^_^ We were considering putting Heavy Slam on Mudsdale; however, we found Body Press, Stone Edge, and Earthquake to be more useful overall. The only advantage Heavy Slam-a Steel-type move-would give us is being able to one-shot most Fairy-types, but since we have Heavy Slam on Glastrier, it would be a bit redundant. As for Ice and Rock-types, Stone Edge and Earthquake are more reliable for tackling such threats (except for Stone Edge's accuracy, lol). Also, Ice and Rock-types can sometimes be heavy, which would decrease Heavy Slam's base power against them. We're so happy that you're looking forward to our dog team video! Due to the positive response to our horse team video, we've decided to bump up the dog team video in our work priority to get it out a bit quicker! If you haven't subbed, please consider doing so so that you don't miss it when it's published ;)
Wonder how much success the team would have with G-Rapidash replacing Spectrier, and playing in NatDex UU instead? Maybe Spectrier did more harm than good 😛 Also, turtle team next? Blastoise Torterra Turtonator Carracosta Terapagos Drednaw
Zebras are biologically, true horses. Horses orginate from North America, and when they became isolated in the different biomes of Africa, it became the multiple Zebra speices that existed.
It's true that Horses, Zebras, and Donkeys are in the genus Equus-all of which can breed without too many issues. However, true horses branched off from Zebras and Donkeys sometime between 2.1 and 3.4 million years ago. Source: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4284605/
@@vgkami its also true that gamefreak HATES Zebstrika. Refusing to buff it or give it an evolution in the last 4 gens is a crime. Physical electric types are so bad
The funny acronym is definitely how this formerly unofficial tier started! It later got a few more meanings behind the letters. We chose "perfectly useless" in this video to describe the concept to people who are unfamiliar with Smogon's tiers. But, yes, the letters "PU" don't have a concrete meaning-they have multiple pseudo-meanings. Check out this article for the history of the tier: www.smogon.com/articles/pu-the-making-of
Question, why use Body Press when you are not EVing Mudsdale for defense? To me it feels like this pokemon is now trying to do two things, with stamina and curse trying to make it bulkier and bodyslam to hit harder. But all of it's EV's are shoved into attack. To me that makes no sense. If you are using these "low" tier pokemon. Should you not go "all in" on the one thing they are good at? Or if you want to go Attack, why not give it Super Power or Close Combat? And if you really want to use Body Press why not take iron defense and go all out on the defense stats. To me this feels like an unfocused set choice for Mudsdale.
Great questions! For your first one: during the pre-test tests, we found that people would try to burn Mudsdale often (usually with Will-o-Wisp), which hindered it immensely in battle. By allowing it to fallback on its Defense stat and Body Press in such cases, it could still be a big threat when burned. We found this versatility to be useful. On top of that, moves like Superpower and Close Combat would result in debuffs that would decrease Mudsdale's longevity. I regards to Galarian Rapidash, it's technically the same species as Rapidash, so having both on the same team would no be possible thanks to Pokémon Showdown's "Species Clause" which states that you can't have two of the same Pokémon on the same team (in most formats). As such, we had to choose between G-Rapidash and Rapidash-we chose the latter because we like it more :)
I think galar rapadash is more of a horse than zebstrika. But i think u cpuld have both on team instead of one of the legends.also surprised u didnt give one of the horse a calyrex rider. Whats a horse team wihout the rider
Due to Pokémon Showdown's "Species Clause," we cannot have both Rapidash and Galar Rapidash on the same team due to them counting as the same species. Also, we didn't want any riders involved-only free horses! Down with horse oppression! Up with horse liberty!!
this is something i legit dabbled in. my conclusion was that i don't have any competitive experience and the horse pokemons are bad in the sense that there are other pokemons that can do the same things but better Edit: i think Galar Rapidash is strong and should be used
True, most of the horse Pokémon get outperformed by other Pokémon for their respective niches. We chose Rapidash over Galar Rapidash because we simply like the original Rapidash more. We can't have both on the same team due to Pokémon Showdown's "Species Clause." Rapidash and Galar Rapidash are technically classified as the same species.
@@vgkami so i take it that Original Rapidash was just better for the role it fulfills, to be fair, i don't know the rules for competitive (don't play it), so in my theory crafting i used an almost identical team, i just used both the Rapidashes rathern than Keldio, feels a bit amazing that there are enguth horse pokemens to create a team with, i will certainly check out any more animal themed teams like this one
Technically, the Species Clause is only a rule on Pokémon Showdown, but yeah; no two "Rapidashs" of any variety are allowed on the same team. We do wish we could have used both, though! Galar Rapidash is a lovely Pokémon and would have been better for our team than a few of the other options. There is a tier where multiples of the "same" species are allowed, but it's called "Anything Goes" and its full of teams like 6 Arceuses and other nonsense, lol. We don't want to go there. If you haven't already, consider subscribing for more animal themed team Pokémon videos! We're working on an all-dog team right now and have an all-turtle one planned afterward :)
I wish that some of the gym battles had teams like this instead of just a single type.
I mean, when Flint did it, everyone had a heart attack because he only had 2 fire pokemon despite having a "hot team"
@onetallpheeesh but “hot team” is to vague, nobody is gonna have a heart attack when the horse team has horses
I liked Raihan’s solution of “team that lets Dragon types do their best under weather”. It’s still the type, but it’s something, and it’s a viable team strategy in actual competitive.
@@iantaakalla8180 yeah I think it's time to move past monotype specialists, and start having themed gyms and a Competitively Viable Pokemon League
@@onetallpheeeshexcept it wasn't a "hot" team. It was a "fire type" team.
But even if it was a "hot" team, care to explain to me, using *only* pg terms, how a lopunny is a "hot" Pokémon?
Are we finnally seeing the Horse Council in action?
Yes, finally, after far too long!
This is the strongest possible team because you have more of the most valuable resource on Earth, Horse Power.
Controversial.
Jim Cool collecting Horsepower for Magcargo on other channels. This is insane.
Thanks for the support, Jim! We hope our controversial team meets your approval, haha.
To answer questions about Keldeo being the only choice:
Deer are more closely related to whales than to horses.
This means Wyrdeer, Sawsbuck, and Xerneas don't count. Verizion likely also is a deer.
This is also true for giraffes and camels, so no Farigiraf or Camerupt.
Most other potential choices don't actually have hooves:
Arceus, Cobalion, Terrakion. and Dialga, for example.
Giratina is legally an insect due to its 6 legs, which are not horses. Bastiodon is likely based on ceratopsid dinosaurs, whose closest living relatives would be birds. Heatran is like a shell-less turtle or something. And as much as I'd like to ride on one, Scolipede is definitely not a horse either.
The real question is, is Revavroom a horse? It can learn High Horsepower...
Ungulates, all of them.
Yup, exactly!
And we forgot about Revavroom being a horse (albeit a mechanical one)! We should have included it on our lineup, haha.
@@onetallpheeesh Cetaceans are also *Euungulata*, which is what I meant by being more closely related to whales than horses. Thus, if you include any ungulates, you'd also open up the option for Wailord, Cetitan, and Palafin to be horses.
You'd also be counting all pigs as horses - Grumpig, Emboar, Oinkolonge - and Hippopowdon, who I think is the only hippo we have. Also, rhinoceroses in Rhyperior,, which are more closely related to actual horses than anything else I've listed.
So yeah. I'll accept "all ungulates count" if you can look me dead in the eye and tell me Wailord is a horse.
@@pyritenightmare all I said was they were all ungulates and you went off on a college thesis adding words and your own context to my 4 word sentence
There's a little ungulate in all of us, surely :)
Solid presentation skills and pacing. This could be a fairly beloved series if this is only the first attempt at it.
Thank you for the positive feedback! This is indeed our first attempt at such a video, and, due to the warm response, we'll definitely make this a series!
If Pokemon had more big trainers that used strong Pokemon/favorites or a theme more often that'd make for tougher battles. That way people wouldn't be able to destroy important trainers as easily. Trainers like: Red, Blue, Cynthia, N, Ghetsis, Namura, Getta, certain professors, etc.
We totally agree!
1:41 Zebras are in fact Wild Horses.
Horses are back for a limited time
Horse girls pulling up to the Pokémon tournament
mudsdale fucking rocks look at that beautiful lady horse
Yessir, LET'S GO!!!
This is a such a great concept I am glad you are making it.
Two things I would like to ask: - 1st Why not use Galarian Rapidash also? It is different enough in both design and typing to earn a spot on the team and Fairy type could have been a boost to the team. Though looking at the data you seem to handle well all typess that fairy is good against. I am just interested in your reasoning.
2nd - Have you considered also making, for a future series, the "best possible team of every type" Like design powerful viable Gym Leader teams? That would be fascinating to watch.
Violates species clause
Thank you so much! And great questions!
1st: Since Rapidash and Galarian Rapidash are classified as the same species, we can't use both due to Pokémon Showdown's "Species Clause" which states that you can't have two of "the same Pokémon species" on the same team.
2nd: We haven't considered making such a series, but that's a good idea!
I I love Mudsdale so much, I use it in every game its in
but real question tho, I noticed you didn't use Heavy slam for mudsdale?
Mudsdale weights like 2800 (If I remember correctly)
Is there a damage number threshold for the move?
and I cannot wait for that dog team cuz that the team I used on my first S/V play through (I didn't like the final evos of the starters very much)
Great taste, pal! Mudsdale is so awesome ^_^
We were considering putting Heavy Slam on Mudsdale; however, we found Body Press, Stone Edge, and Earthquake to be more useful overall. The only advantage Heavy Slam-a Steel-type move-would give us is being able to one-shot most Fairy-types, but since we have Heavy Slam on Glastrier, it would be a bit redundant. As for Ice and Rock-types, Stone Edge and Earthquake are more reliable for tackling such threats (except for Stone Edge's accuracy, lol). Also, Ice and Rock-types can sometimes be heavy, which would decrease Heavy Slam's base power against them.
We're so happy that you're looking forward to our dog team video! Due to the positive response to our horse team video, we've decided to bump up the dog team video in our work priority to get it out a bit quicker! If you haven't subbed, please consider doing so so that you don't miss it when it's published ;)
Jimothy Cool needs to ladder with this
He's in the comments of this video, so hopefully he sees your suggestion and indeed ladders with this team, lol.
The Horse Council loves this video
The Horse Council, if you see this, we'd totally take you on as a sponsor! :D
Wonder how much success the team would have with G-Rapidash replacing Spectrier, and playing in NatDex UU instead? Maybe Spectrier did more harm than good 😛
Also, turtle team next? Blastoise Torterra Turtonator Carracosta Terapagos Drednaw
Maybe, lol. We're happy with the results though.
Next is a dog team-but we're definitely doing turtles after that!
More videos like this!
Zebras are biologically, true horses. Horses orginate from North America, and when they became isolated in the different biomes of Africa, it became the multiple Zebra speices that existed.
It's true that Horses, Zebras, and Donkeys are in the genus Equus-all of which can breed without too many issues. However, true horses branched off from Zebras and Donkeys sometime between 2.1 and 3.4 million years ago.
Source:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4284605/
@@vgkami its also true that gamefreak HATES Zebstrika. Refusing to buff it or give it an evolution in the last 4 gens is a crime. Physical electric types are so bad
Very true! Maybe Zebstrika will get some love in the next generation. Probably not, but we can always hope!
You sir, are a true nerd 🫡
A badge we wear with pride! Thank you!
PU just means PU!(like what you say when something stinks). it isnt an acronym
The funny acronym is definitely how this formerly unofficial tier started! It later got a few more meanings behind the letters. We chose "perfectly useless" in this video to describe the concept to people who are unfamiliar with Smogon's tiers. But, yes, the letters "PU" don't have a concrete meaning-they have multiple pseudo-meanings. Check out this article for the history of the tier:
www.smogon.com/articles/pu-the-making-of
Question, why use Body Press when you are not EVing Mudsdale for defense? To me it feels like this pokemon is now trying to do two things, with stamina and curse trying to make it bulkier and bodyslam to hit harder. But all of it's EV's are shoved into attack. To me that makes no sense. If you are using these "low" tier pokemon. Should you not go "all in" on the one thing they are good at? Or if you want to go Attack, why not give it Super Power or Close Combat? And if you really want to use Body Press why not take iron defense and go all out on the defense stats. To me this feels like an unfocused set choice for Mudsdale.
Oh.. and where is Galarian Rapidash?!
Great questions!
For your first one: during the pre-test tests, we found that people would try to burn Mudsdale often (usually with Will-o-Wisp), which hindered it immensely in battle. By allowing it to fallback on its Defense stat and Body Press in such cases, it could still be a big threat when burned. We found this versatility to be useful. On top of that, moves like Superpower and Close Combat would result in debuffs that would decrease Mudsdale's longevity.
I regards to Galarian Rapidash, it's technically the same species as Rapidash, so having both on the same team would no be possible thanks to Pokémon Showdown's "Species Clause" which states that you can't have two of the same Pokémon on the same team (in most formats). As such, we had to choose between G-Rapidash and Rapidash-we chose the latter because we like it more :)
I think galar rapadash is more of a horse than zebstrika. But i think u cpuld have both on team instead of one of the legends.also surprised u didnt give one of the horse a calyrex rider. Whats a horse team wihout the rider
Due to Pokémon Showdown's "Species Clause," we cannot have both Rapidash and Galar Rapidash on the same team due to them counting as the same species.
Also, we didn't want any riders involved-only free horses! Down with horse oppression! Up with horse liberty!!
The horse council
All glory to the Horse Council!
try to make a whole ice type team
Lol, we'll try!
You forgot Ariados. Otherwise, nicely done.
Of course! We forgot everyone's favorite eight-legged horse. How silly of us, lol. And thanks!
this is something i legit dabbled in. my conclusion was that i don't have any competitive experience and the horse pokemons are bad in the sense that there are other pokemons that can do the same things but better
Edit: i think Galar Rapidash is strong and should be used
True, most of the horse Pokémon get outperformed by other Pokémon for their respective niches.
We chose Rapidash over Galar Rapidash because we simply like the original Rapidash more. We can't have both on the same team due to Pokémon Showdown's "Species Clause." Rapidash and Galar Rapidash are technically classified as the same species.
@@vgkami so i take it that Original Rapidash was just better for the role it fulfills, to be fair, i don't know the rules for competitive (don't play it), so in my theory crafting i used an almost identical team, i just used both the Rapidashes rathern than Keldio, feels a bit amazing that there are enguth horse pokemens to create a team with, i will certainly check out any more animal themed teams like this one
Technically, the Species Clause is only a rule on Pokémon Showdown, but yeah; no two "Rapidashs" of any variety are allowed on the same team. We do wish we could have used both, though! Galar Rapidash is a lovely Pokémon and would have been better for our team than a few of the other options. There is a tier where multiples of the "same" species are allowed, but it's called "Anything Goes" and its full of teams like 6 Arceuses and other nonsense, lol. We don't want to go there.
If you haven't already, consider subscribing for more animal themed team Pokémon videos! We're working on an all-dog team right now and have an all-turtle one planned afterward :)
Can you do this on pokerogue ?
We checked the biome spawns for PokéRogue, and, yes, it looks like you can! All of our horse team members are in PokéRogue.
Calyrex is on the team
Easy win
Calyrex is not a horse! As such, it cannot be on this team. No riders-all free horses FTW.
Honse
1 secont into this video and i already hate it
Thanks for sharing.
@@jimothycool its not the video itself, its the fact it Has horses
Horses are top-tier animals!