Exposing The Ugly Truth About Live Shows & Touring

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  • @pjbpiano
    @pjbpiano Рік тому +27

    I think most music people do not realize that creating music is basically an entrepreneurial activity and they think that their musical creativity is enough.
    As long as musicians do not take entrepreneurship courses, people with business acumen will always take advantage of starry eyed musicians who do not know that “full time music career” = “a sales person who’s product is their brand of music”.

  • @Marcustrh
    @Marcustrh Рік тому +52

    She’s gotta take in account she’s only been releasing music according to Spotify since 2020 alongside content. Fans don’t come overnight Curtis is proof of that. It’s a grind. Touring is a marketing trip unless your huge. Best example is Paramore, played warped tour parking lots no pay for a whole summer, it ended they got signed to fuel by ramen.

  • @drum877
    @drum877 Рік тому +36

    She got finessed. They brought her on tour to make money off of her. She should be in the black doing local shows before ever thinking of taking it on the road. She should do presale on her shows and work out a guarantee dollar amount with the venue. If you do not have the fanbase for it then you should not go on tour. It’s the age of social media you do not need to go on the road and lose money to get a fanbase. People are just impatient or unwilling to suffer staying in a van or hardly eat. Because that’s what it took before social media.

    • @StreetfighterU
      @StreetfighterU Рік тому +3

      The comment on the first part of your statement, that’s essentially what the weeknd did. His manager turned down world tours in the beginning because he wanted The Weeknd to feel comfortable on stage and tour. It’s a lot of mental and physical energy and investment, and it requires small steps and a level of serendipity before you can make it big.
      I feel like nowadays, you don’t necessarily need to your THAT much depending on your intentions as an artist. You have social media and connect with fans easily. People prefer to listen by themselves than go out but if you wanna make it big, you do have to slowly step out on the stage.

    • @keeptrxllbeats4201
      @keeptrxllbeats4201 Рік тому +3

      Plus she is not that known to be touring that’s hella risk for a averageto get on your when you’re sure how many person will pull up at your shows tour are only made for mainstreams artists !

    • @thetruthhurts9296
      @thetruthhurts9296 Рік тому +6

      You my friend hit it EXACTLY on the head. People want to be superstars without doing the grind and the work and doing the business. People who have 50 -11 million subs and likes on thier "video" yet can't draw 2 dead flies to come to a show and then complain how hard it is to "make money on the road".

    • @asole100
      @asole100 5 місяців тому

      @thetruthhurts9296 Nah 50mill subs is allot for anyone on YT, you're trippin if you don't think more than 2 people will show up or purchase something.

    • @drum877
      @drum877 5 місяців тому

      @@asole100 how many people’s music do you listen to that you buy merchandise or show tickets to. Do you even have a UA-cam premium account. How much money do you contribute directly to musicians. Let’s be honest most people just will be down if it’s free.

  • @skizzyskitzo
    @skizzyskitzo Рік тому +5

    This is why back in 2012. I made it my mission to stand my ground. I did my very last show and I said for me to perform again you go have to pay the piper my last show I was the opener hi had the crowd energetic excited And in tune to my lyrics, my flow, everything the main event at the end of the night people were bullying him off the stage. That’s when I realized the quality I have as an artist. Money is not worth compromising my creativity.

  • @knowone4267
    @knowone4267 Рік тому +8

    Bro I find your content invaluable. I walked away from music several years ago and recently discovered my love for creating songs is still there. Not exactly sure what I want to do with it yet. But the landscape has changed so much I’m grateful for content creators like yourself that inform old farts like myself of the new blueprint. Thanks for everything.

  • @realjravage2871
    @realjravage2871 Рік тому +12

    Being an artist in general cost money and it can be expensive, that’s why not a lot people actually survive doing music and eventually give up on it and find a different career path. Regardless of how much money it cost for me being a producer I still do it because money isn’t my total focus I just enjoy doing it. If no one buys my beats that’s fine one day someone will and then the money will come along with it. This is a great video I didn’t know how expensive touring can be but I know now. And touring can be both financially and mentally exhausting that’s why shows get canceled all the time.

  • @taylorstep8135
    @taylorstep8135 Рік тому +12

    this is how labels get you to sign the cost of things but you have to believe in yourself as a independent artist.

    • @thetruthhurts9296
      @thetruthhurts9296 Рік тому +2

      If you believe in yourself as a independent artist is fine but you better know business. You better have your ish together. You can be independent all you want but if you can't balance a bank account, make plans, negotiate, read the terms of agreement, have a contract, your own contracts, access to a Entertainment Attorney for more complex matters that is all you are. Independent and by yourself.

  • @onyaschweiz5334
    @onyaschweiz5334 Рік тому +11

    This is why I love busking i don’t have to wait for a corporation to validate me I just go straight to the heart of the streets and perform for the love of it.

  • @KaineMarqo
    @KaineMarqo Рік тому +11

    I definitely have spoken to my bro about this. He tours quite a bit with his band (Theyre called Restraining Order, look them up) and hes told me so many horror stories on the road that its kinda made me reconsider my whole stance on touring and performing. I never had any idea how bad it was until he actually told me.

  • @Pericles777
    @Pericles777 Рік тому +10

    In the drop down menu when I go to pay rent, I have yet to find the payment method labeled "exposure"

    • @najee2123
      @najee2123 8 місяців тому

      Lmao 😂 bro I’m cracking up at this rn

  • @EliteBlackSash
    @EliteBlackSash Рік тому +33

    Merch tax on-the-spot is wild 😭

    • @CurtissKingTV
      @CurtissKingTV  Рік тому +9

      Fam…I was bewildered 🤣

    • @norfsidedre3333
      @norfsidedre3333 Рік тому

      Tell the ass we made $15 nothing more

    • @oneplatformonevoice6905
      @oneplatformonevoice6905 Рік тому +1

      @@CurtissKingTV Greetings fam! I love ya content!!! It’s beyond informative & empowering!!!
      I’m an indie artist from the Bahamas 🇧🇸 & I have an idea that I wrote down ✍️ on paper a while back. This episode of your show not only sparked that idea but you gave me an addition to add to it.
      I would love to reach out to you personally if that’s kool. If you’re up to it, please allow me to shoot you an email 📧 with what I have & if you’re feeling it, we can go from there!
      But I’m so confident that you’re gona love it!!
      Kind regards

    • @jurassicthunder
      @jurassicthunder Рік тому +1

      that doesn't sound real. IRS only gets what you report on tax seasons

    • @tyturner5870
      @tyturner5870 Рік тому +1

      Can't you get a tax write off?

  • @itzdm0r3
    @itzdm0r3 Рік тому +14

    With the way things are going these days; you can add medical bills to list too!

  • @KelvinBlessedTheBeat
    @KelvinBlessedTheBeat Рік тому +12

    Thank you for the new video! Everything you been putting out has been super educational & inspirational bless my brother!

    • @CurtissKingTV
      @CurtissKingTV  Рік тому +2

      I appreciate you watching and absorbing the content. Glad it’s been enjoyable for you 🙏🏽🛠️

  • @GrandNoble
    @GrandNoble 5 місяців тому +1

    Shout out to the clip of big orca over here. 🙌 noa james

  • @macavelli8905
    @macavelli8905 Рік тому +3

    The event host will automatically be in your pocket in the merchandise department and also get a cut on certain tickets sold over a certain point..

  • @KaineMarqo
    @KaineMarqo Рік тому +6

    Mfs hit you with that "because I said so" tax. 😂 Good lord.

  • @1RichPark
    @1RichPark Рік тому +7

    Oddly enough my homie went on tour wit Marc Rebillet last year😂😂 😂 Good Show

  • @carboy101
    @carboy101 Рік тому +7

    Live shows aren’t going anywhere. People like enjoying things they like in groups

  • @flyingsuitcase5275
    @flyingsuitcase5275 Рік тому +1

    A great video! You just popped up in my feed.

  • @Juan-be5zi
    @Juan-be5zi Рік тому +2

    Appreciate the perspective fam 🙏🏽

  • @nineixb616
    @nineixb616 Рік тому +4

    I’ve seen plenty of touring bands play venues in NYC that local musicians who draw a crowd barely make any money in. Not as much after the pandemic, I know playing cities like NYC and LA are seen as bragging rights, and May look good on social media but considering the amount of money that can be lost I don’t see the point.

  • @thahyst
    @thahyst Рік тому +1

    Damn you played at the Crocodile!? In Seattle. Wish I was there fam!

  • @iAmL3J3ND
    @iAmL3J3ND Рік тому +3

    I think I’m a little bit crazy cause this making me want to get to this level even more. Thank you Curtis King we need your honesty and straight-forward assessments/ experience! 🙏🏽

  • @alldayhustle3050
    @alldayhustle3050 Рік тому

    Time well spent. Thanks bro

  • @cordellfarmer8220
    @cordellfarmer8220 Рік тому +1

    I'm so glad I watched this because it confirmed all my thoughts and my own personal strategy towards my own music. It's about business first and foremost, why even spend money touring when your focus should be on creating a brand and basically using your music as the "jingle" to that product or service. I find it hilarious that artist really be hoping to get merch sales its funny because online you would swear these dudes are balling smh scam. But if you take it in every big artist has a big brand. Think like an entrepreneur not an artist

  • @jujuthaguru
    @jujuthaguru Рік тому +1

    Loved this! ❤ I’m an astrology geek with Leo (entertainment) in the 4th house (home). EVERYTHING you said was music to my ears lol I’ve already set up my own studio… live set next 🤷🏽‍♀️

  • @Shay416
    @Shay416 Рік тому +2

    Yeah Big K.R.I.T mentioned this too, but he said its a necessary evil to get exposure to a new fanbase.

  • @skizzyskitzo
    @skizzyskitzo Рік тому +2

    I’ve been doing music for 22 years. I have made more money as a recording engineer, and producer than me as a recording artist, and I own all my Publishing and all of my masters. I’ve had labels, offer me a chunk of money for my master recordings, and I refuse.

  • @denequia
    @denequia Рік тому +1

    Good video love her transparency 💪🏾💪🏾🙏

  • @MiketheNerdRanger
    @MiketheNerdRanger Рік тому +6

    God it's like everything in the music business *sucks.*
    So then how DO you make money performing?

    • @keeptrxllbeats4201
      @keeptrxllbeats4201 Рік тому +2

      It will be hard to get money as a underground artist if you mainstreams it will be easy

  • @SarisChannel18
    @SarisChannel18 Рік тому +4

    Dev Lemons reminds of this one kid who ate a worm at a party to win a cassete tape of his favorite band. He was a stoner and a good friend.

  • @jmartyofficial
    @jmartyofficial Рік тому +1

    Thanks fo the knowledge 💯

  • @Airic
    @Airic Рік тому +6

    very true. Live streaming is the way artists can *own their venue* ... vertical integration 101.

  • @barrytheartist.
    @barrytheartist. Рік тому +5

    So is the answer merch, sync licensing, and services like mixing? Ik not everyone has the access or information to get to those means of income and at scale, takes time to set up syncs and compete on that level cuz it is like that . Music industry is NOT attractive unless you are OBSESSED with everything about it.

    • @barrytheartist.
      @barrytheartist. Рік тому +4

      stay starving for a longg time and you gotta get comfortable in that and loving what u do n living for that. If you not like that or can’t take the lifestyle then it’s not for you. It’s more work doing what you love but it’s more torture to not follow your passion. If you really want it then it’s there for you to chase after it.
      >ONLY ONE CHANCE AT LIFE

  • @Becauseimme
    @Becauseimme Рік тому

    Shalawam Ahch keep up the great work on the videos and music.✊🏾

  • @charlesedward313
    @charlesedward313 Рік тому

    Those versus battles year or two ago pretty entertaining that's an example way of the future looks like

  • @Avetinga
    @Avetinga Рік тому +1

    I believe this is the start of more online and metaverse tours.
    These are your reasons. On top of all the different things you can do online and in the metaverse that you would never be able to do in the real world.

  • @LifeJourneyus
    @LifeJourneyus Рік тому

    Awesome enlightenment 👍👑

  • @warnutztheloser
    @warnutztheloser Рік тому +3

    It seems theres a mission to do anything in music

  • @casitrek
    @casitrek Рік тому +4

    Robert Kraft (Owner of the New England Patriots) was able to get the team and assets because the former owner making a few bad investments, including one of Michael Jackson's Tour.

    • @koreylr
      @koreylr Рік тому

      michael jacksons tour was the last straw, if they would have held on for 2 more years man

  • @simplyelwin
    @simplyelwin Рік тому

    sharing this one big bro

  • @onyaschweiz5334
    @onyaschweiz5334 Рік тому +7

    There should be more high quality online concerts no one has to worry about getting hit with a bottle and if people really want that they can tip for someone to throw a bottle at the artist on the live stream. Tours are too expensive for the artist and the concert goers. Online concerts should be pushed more in the future.

  • @Alexa-uk8lj
    @Alexa-uk8lj 5 місяців тому

    Definitely competing with my sofa!

  • @dazeja
    @dazeja Рік тому +2

    Its hilarious how the con artist record labels have made everyone think they can’t make money off of streaming when they ,in fact , are making money off of streaming.

  • @jaybae7315
    @jaybae7315 Рік тому +1

    Mmmh. A lot of people don’t realize that the music industry is not what they think it is.

  • @6stringbeats397
    @6stringbeats397 Рік тому +4

    Being an artist is a business. Just like any other business it takes money to keep it moving forward. No one hands you free money.

  • @vanityposh6348
    @vanityposh6348 Рік тому

    It’s terrible to see how much you artists are losing on tours. But as far as the solution, I cannot agree with that. I just went to see Jodeci and Dru Hill perform live. I was on the six row too. It’s a different type of feeling to be that up close and personal with your favorite artist versus sitting in my room watching them from an electronic device. I felt like I was high for two days from that concert alone. I had to stand in line forever and parking was high, but that was a sacrifice that was worth making.

  • @Klatyno256
    @Klatyno256 Рік тому

    If i was to go on tour as a new artist i would only want to do small venues with other different artist very many ..something intimate for hoping to get some new fans.Tour is only a cash grab for top artist like drake taylor nicki eminem kendrick kanye cole beyonce.People who we want to see regulary .

  • @coldfacejay
    @coldfacejay Рік тому +9

    Dude its called show business.... its a business the venue makes all the money

  • @arkitekmrj
    @arkitekmrj Рік тому +10

    It’s a lot safer to be at home as well. Sometimes things that are out of your control happens at live shows that put your safety at stake.
    I can see this streaming live shows being the norm soon.

  • @michaeliniga7958
    @michaeliniga7958 11 місяців тому

    ........Subscribed!

  • @GRINDETHIKSMIXTAPESHOW
    @GRINDETHIKSMIXTAPESHOW Рік тому

    u can also rent out a studio to make the experience look professional

  • @VividFilmProductions
    @VividFilmProductions Рік тому +8

    This is why it’s important to have a separate career to make money. I’m working on opening a barbershop while doing music on the side along with sync licensing.

    • @chuckytherapper
      @chuckytherapper Рік тому +4

      idk bro sync licensing yes. But I would hope you can be succesful keeping those two businesses seperate. I wouldnt want one career to fuel the other career forever. Thats whats already going on. At some point i want this music to be paying for its own studio time. The $100 per hour i pay right now is well worth it, but hard to come by. Cus its never an hour. its like 3 hours, plus album art and videos. Which is every hour after that forever.

  • @BigVolcano314
    @BigVolcano314 Рік тому +2

    A.I nd covid made soul worthless..as time go on music will be more on tone i stead of flow nd growth ..the future is here .. performing wont matter in person no more

  • @ssmfetti
    @ssmfetti Рік тому +2

    16:03 Name of these websites?

  • @insomniacfirehorse6425
    @insomniacfirehorse6425 Рік тому

    Wow, so the likes of EZ Mil an indeoendent music creator are extremely lucky, 1 in a million, no wonder hes getting a lot of hate. I feel sad for these talented independent musician that never reach their goal. Keep on working, keep showing your talents till you get the opportunity.

  • @elijahworden219
    @elijahworden219 Рік тому +1

    I live in portland. Find this story funny

  • @gemgirl2000
    @gemgirl2000 Рік тому +1

    “exposure dollars” FOH 😂

  • @mellotones
    @mellotones Рік тому

    Definitely gotta livestream more, but not gonna lie this video got me discouraged.

  • @ponderingsfromthemothercit8347

    She looks like Leighton Meester

  • @Eliburgo
    @Eliburgo Рік тому

    Things id like to help y'all with the 6 to 7 grand for a white van rental for 2-3 months even with a discount its cheaper to spend that money on just buying a van and selling it later if need be Used 2006 Ford Econoline E-350 Commercial
    $8,875| 220,517 even if you sell it for 5 grand you cut your cost if you can get two tours out of it and sell it a year later you really winning. Mext the hotel thing get a chain that has a hotel in every city you have a tour date then get their credit card world of Hyatt Bon Voy marriot etc you get 20 to 30% off and accumulate hotel points by the 3rd tour you'll be staying for free at least half them nights. Lastly negotiate a rate with the promoter directly not the group you open for cuz $250 a night aint it 😂.

  • @priztucker
    @priztucker Рік тому

    Fact is that Musicians are not business people who do not have any real business model behind what they do. So they don’t understand what it really takes to be profitable. With ANY business you have to pay to learn especially if you are DIY.

  • @Dulzothegreatmusic
    @Dulzothegreatmusic 9 місяців тому

    So surely that means busking is the best way to tour

  • @Roccofan
    @Roccofan Рік тому

    People barely talk to each other in person. Going to a live show seems a bridge too far. :) :(

  • @liqwidmediaworkztv
    @liqwidmediaworkztv Рік тому

    I knew who she was gonna say soon as she said “one major company”

  • @johncollins3046
    @johncollins3046 Рік тому

    Valuable info ℹ️
    A billion times out of a billion I would prefer the hard lessons on other peoples experiences 😳🤣🔥

  • @bamnjphoto
    @bamnjphoto Рік тому

    These people thought they would drop a track and money would fall out the sky

  • @arrnendogarcia2189
    @arrnendogarcia2189 Рік тому +1

    So touring is like getting a degree got it😂😂

  • @earlebell9874
    @earlebell9874 Рік тому +3

    2pac was an actor and rapper look what his worth when he died
    He had less than $105,000 in a checking account, two cars, and a five-figure life insurance policy in his half sister's name. Despite selling 60 million records and scoring several hits, he was actually in severe debt at the time of his death, owing an estimated $4.9 million.Sep 12, 2019

  • @DeisonProd
    @DeisonProd Рік тому

    Will I Am said something about this.

  • @festivisionstudios8789
    @festivisionstudios8789 Рік тому +1

    Didn't even know you rap😅

  • @GRINDETHIKSMIXTAPESHOW
    @GRINDETHIKSMIXTAPESHOW Рік тому

    promoters are supposed to pay for all of that , i would never go on tour with my own money

  • @ChennouneMedia
    @ChennouneMedia Рік тому +3

    here for it

  • @insearchofhome6451
    @insearchofhome6451 Рік тому

    Very interesting….

  • @jamorychance8992
    @jamorychance8992 Рік тому +3

    she look like she was crying

  • @mobbindavid7359
    @mobbindavid7359 Рік тому

    Musicians need a better way these days fr

  • @earllangham2024
    @earllangham2024 Рік тому

    Well that y’all news artist. If you have a Ryder all that is cover. But it always Artist messing if up for other artist. Which is why you do not have promoters any more. Because crazy ryders. They need to be small

  • @Raisedbywolves13
    @Raisedbywolves13 Рік тому +1

    Thats why 80 DEKA does not tour.....
    80 DEKA was MF DOOMS little brother
    I heard it was 80 DEKA he was sending to be the DOOMBOT!

  • @beatvillainz
    @beatvillainz Рік тому +4

    Y’all doing it wrong ; DJs do it better!

  • @youngiconzent246
    @youngiconzent246 Рік тому

    what these younger artists needs to do is do a small circuit small tours, get some weekend shows, do the bookings & advertising of the tour dates, travel make some money & be home after the tour, after breaking even, get some sponsorship to do a slightly bigger tour & do the same until it's time to fly out & do major cities.. But Never go into your pockets to do a tour..

  • @eafortson
    @eafortson Рік тому

    How many of y’all came here just to make sure some Respek was getting out on Devs name. 😂

  • @lisasykes624
    @lisasykes624 Рік тому

    If your fan base is world wide you probably can't get enough fans together in your city... unfortunately.... it's a lot of kids making millions and people in America never even heard of them...ex... juice world..🤔😐

  • @michaelmitchell5098
    @michaelmitchell5098 Рік тому +1

    The industry has been the worst since the record industry collapsed. That industry just found another way to starve the artists. Dev is cute though 😊!

  • @channelseven8092
    @channelseven8092 Рік тому

    If you just gone break even what's the point? You might as well keep your a s s home.

  • @RoomAtTheTopStudio
    @RoomAtTheTopStudio Рік тому

    I've arranged tours for myself and my label artists a few times over the decades and we've always made money. The travel, hotel and food are expenses that the promoter pays, as well as the fee for the actual show. How can you not make money? The promoter takes the risk. Payment is always made in advance of the show. Needless to say you shouldn't be touring anywhere if the audience doesn't know your music and your brand doesn't sell tickets and bring heads through the door. As for marketing your music, that's done by getting your music played in the clubs and the top radio shows for your genre in the territory. Performing live only gets one venue, even though they get to see you live. Having a viral song/track that is being played by a lot of djs gets you played in multiple venues over a weekend. That generates interest over time in those territories for them to see the artist who does that song. When you get interest from those territories you negotiate the deal so that the promoter takes on the expenses and pays you.

  • @Poor_Georgie
    @Poor_Georgie Рік тому

    Travis had a show on freaking fortnite

  • @jaklair
    @jaklair Рік тому

    68

  • @soupmoney5738
    @soupmoney5738 Рік тому

    🥷😂😂😂😂😂💎💎💎💯👌🏾

  • @GRINDETHIKSMIXTAPESHOW
    @GRINDETHIKSMIXTAPESHOW Рік тому

    streaming is a very bad business model

  • @user-yr4mo3iz4d
    @user-yr4mo3iz4d 5 місяців тому

    wtf go on tour and not earn money. cmon you earn on tour. no one tours to lose money. go bankrupt. set gurantees. ffs.

  • @zorro18759
    @zorro18759 Рік тому

    i don't like her attitude. if u don't like it do a 9to5.... she acts like she been in the game for 20+ years and just now found out about this like it's some kind of big secret/conspirancy...

  • @jayhinz5150
    @jayhinz5150 Рік тому

    oh shit curtis did a tour with murs, making the universe recognize and submit mid city los angeles living legend murs? whhhhhat? probably the pay your fuckin dues tour, i hope he does another one and comes to portland and curtis is on it, ill definately come check it!