Mitsubishi L200 2.4 DID Super Select - 4x4 test on rollers

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  • @mikehzz9848
    @mikehzz9848 4 роки тому +14

    Many comments here from people who know nothing about 4x4. This was a good result.

    • @alex-craft
      @alex-craft 4 роки тому +5

      It's a not good result for a car specifically designed to be off road, it should be able to lock all 4 wheels.

    • @mikehzz9848
      @mikehzz9848 4 роки тому +4

      @@alex-craft there are only a couple of 4wd's that can lock all 4 wheels standard off the showroom floor. A Wrangler Rubicon or a G-Wagen off the top of my head.

    • @alex-craft
      @alex-craft 4 роки тому +2

      @@mikehzz9848 yes, I understand, what I meant is that it's really strange that cars with price ~30-50k, specifically designed for off road doesn't have this capability. Like - for a comparison this is 60y old cheap truck (see video link) that cost ~3k$ and yet it has full locks. It's hard to understand why modern off road cars with high price doesn't have this locks. The link to cheap car (it's not reliable and I don't meant that people should buy it, just a comparison how cheap are those locks to implement) ua-cam.com/video/tjbR_gA3Ycc/v-deo.html

    • @FoxHotelLima
      @FoxHotelLima 3 роки тому

      @@mikehzz9848 Almost every Toyota land cruiser and Mitsi Pajero have a diff lock as standard. 4x4 without diff locks are not as useful one would think, as its shown in the video.

    • @mikehzz9848
      @mikehzz9848 3 роки тому

      @@FoxHotelLima wrong. I go driving with two mates, one with a Landcruiser 200 series, the other with a Landcruiser Prado, and neither has front or rear diff locks.

  • @projbud
    @projbud 2 роки тому

    Super test. Jedna uwaga. Powinniście również testować na przełożeniu 4LLc.W przełożeniu 4LLc uruchamiana jest automatycznie blokada przedniego mostu. (dotyczy tylko Super Selsct) W Easy Select kierowca może włacznikiem blokować tylny most

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  2 роки тому

      Dzięki. Blokady przedniego mostu nie ma w standardowym wyposażeniu L200.

    • @projbud
      @projbud 2 роки тому

      @@4x4.tests.on.rollers Otóż właśnie jest. Dla mnie też to była niespodzianka.(L200 2009r wersja napędu Super Select) Na przednim moście zamontowany jest siłownik który właśnie tą blokadę aktywuje. Jeśli masz emial to chętnie prześle zdjęcie przedniego mostu z siłownikiem. Pozdrawiam

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  2 роки тому

      @@projbud Miałem L200 2007 z Super Select i nawet tylnej blokady nie było... Zerknę w wolnej chwili na serwisówkę i zobaczę, jak to wygląda. Podeślij proszę fotkę na stacjakontrolitrakcji@vp.pl. Pozdrawiam
      Edit: zapraszam na test, sprawdzimy, czy jest czy nie ma ;)
      To, co widzisz to siłownik od przedniego napędu, blokady nie ma.

    • @arturwojtkowiak9159
      @arturwojtkowiak9159 10 місяців тому

      to jest siłownik załączania przedniego mostu a nie siłownik blokady. Zadne L200 nie jest wyposażone fanrycznie w blokadę przedniego mostu @@projbud

  • @dalecarlia_jakt2519
    @dalecarlia_jakt2519 3 роки тому +2

    Great test thx man, needed to see this. I have a fiat fullback. And it works great here in Northern Sweden specially with snowchains on al 4.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  3 роки тому

      Here in Poland it is very hard to find Fiat Fullback, people decide to get it under Mitsubishi brand.

  • @saylsalcan2610
    @saylsalcan2610 6 років тому +2

    You did the test :)..thank you..thumbs up

  • @gord7476
    @gord7476 6 днів тому +1

    Very impressed

  • @KS-kb4zt
    @KS-kb4zt 11 днів тому +2

    Where is filn with rear axe lock ?

  • @zxspeccy48k
    @zxspeccy48k 4 роки тому +3

    I watched this and thought the truck wasn't very good, but after I did some reading and watched again I realised it's actually fine.
    4H is for on road driving - the centre diff is meant to be open, and the TCS isn't meant to be working hard. This is in the vehicle literature. On 3 rollers in 4H it's not designed to get off the rollers - it hasn't failed!
    In 4HLc on 3 rollers (1F/2R) you see both rear wheels spinning in the correct direction - this is the TCS simulating an LSD. If it wasn't the opposite wheel wouldn't turn, or go slightly backwards.
    When he does 3 rollers (2F/1R) it drives off immediately - switching off the TCS/ESP actually makes it worse by the looks of things.
    Watch it again and ignore the 4H videos and it makes more sense.
    Yes, it doesn't have a front diff, and I guess the TCS could simulate one (not sure why it doesn't) but that's the same with most pick-ups...

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  4 роки тому +2

      Yes, that's very good analysis, many people don't get that. Furthermore - this system is designed for versions with rear diff locker, this L200 was some basic version without it.

    • @zxspeccy48k
      @zxspeccy48k 4 роки тому +1

      Actually, watching the video again, the TCS does pull the front wheels forward. 4HLc on three rollers (2F/1R) @2:55 and at @3:10 you can see both front wheels running... It's just not super aggressive like a manual diff locker - which might work better in practice. Lots of people think a diff locker is infallible and just end up digging a whole axle into the ground in no time.
      Great video by the way OP - really nicely done with seeing both sides. I actually bought one of these trucks based partly on this test (a 2015 Titan) which doesn't have the manual locker and works like the truck in the video.
      Honestly, you can feel it work when you're stuck in the mud. I've had a few 4x4's (King Cab, Navara d21, P38 Range Rover, GR Patrol,..) and this thing is as good as any, and better than most.

    • @krebgurfson5732
      @krebgurfson5732 2 роки тому

      no, failing 3 rollers means you're lacking front or rear lockers/limited slip. Has nothing to do with the center differential. If the front had LSD or a Locker he could drive off three.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  2 роки тому

      @@krebgurfson5732 It has a lot of to do with center differential. Center one is the first to split the torque, then you have front and rear.

    • @tamero52
      @tamero52 2 роки тому +1

      @@zxspeccy48k Hi man,first of all, i would like to thank the owner of the video. Great video. I also owned range rover p38, kia sorento, vw amarok, mitsubishi l200(triton) 2014, jeep g.cherokee wj. After all these adventures, i am planning to buy this version of L200, automatic trans.
      i was sceptical deeply. Coz the one i am planning does not have rear diff lock. Now, i clearly see that, rear diff lock is not infalliable! And i am also not a hard offroader. I am just a camper. I just do not want to get stucked in a 2200 metre mountain, in the middle of nowehere and lonely. So, i have to own a vehicle which can get out of the mud or sand by its own.
      I think, this facelift of l200 is a good option many ways.
      Thank you once again. This kind of sharings are really helpful! Comments also unites offroad passionate people together!
      best regards from Istanbul

  • @emersonuy7231
    @emersonuy7231 4 роки тому +2

    For the scenario where 4HLC is engaged and only one front wheel is on the ground, should the traction control on the front axle have kicked in and braked the front wheel on the roller, hence giving drive to the other front wheel on the ground?

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  4 роки тому

      Yes and that's exactly what it did.

    • @emersonuy7231
      @emersonuy7231 4 роки тому

      @@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thanks, very good video. I should have asked, should the traction control have kicked in sooner? It seemed to have taken some time before the truck was able to get off the rollers.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  4 роки тому +2

      @@emersonuy7231 Well, it could be a little bit quicker. But that's how it works in many Mitsubishi cars.

    • @emersonuy7231
      @emersonuy7231 4 роки тому

      @@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thanks. I am a Pajero Sport owner and was looking for videos on Mitsubishi's traction control. Understand that the system sensitivity can vary across brands. That is a very good test you did.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  4 роки тому

      @@emersonuy7231 Thanks. Sensitivity may vary not only across the brands but even inside one brand. There's quite a lot of of Mitsubishi cars tested on my channel so you can compare them.

  • @redoctober918
    @redoctober918 2 роки тому

    thanks for the info, appreciate!

  • @imbtmn9836
    @imbtmn9836 21 день тому

    Why did traction control off work in the second test with 2 rear rollers?

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  20 днів тому +1

      Engine TC goes off so there's no power cut but brake TC remains active.

    • @imbtmn9836
      @imbtmn9836 20 днів тому +1

      ​@@4x4.tests.on.rollersThank you. I downloaded the manual and read the same. Great ute. I am buying a 2022 GLS next week.

    • @imbtmn9836
      @imbtmn9836 20 днів тому

      ​@@4x4.tests.on.rollersJust watched again. Interesting that 4H and 4H ESC off did not work with 2 rear rollers and 1 front roller. But 4H worked with 2 front rollers and one rear roller. Any thoughts?

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  20 днів тому +1

      @@imbtmn9836 It's probably due to not symmetrical center torsen differential, sending more torque to the rear.

  • @jaygarcia777
    @jaygarcia777 4 роки тому +2

    very informative.

  • @saylsalcan2610
    @saylsalcan2610 6 років тому +3

    Can you also test 2011 pajero iv?

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  6 років тому +2

      Sayıl Salcan Not yet, but probably it will be tested during summer.

  • @ujjwalghosh3097
    @ujjwalghosh3097 2 роки тому +1

    Great video can you do this on toyota hilux or fortuner

  • @bernardhossmoto
    @bernardhossmoto 6 років тому +6

    Cool test, you could also use the rear locker.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  6 років тому +3

      +hossguitar This was version without rear locker :) We also tried low gear, results were the same.

    • @dominicpetter7087
      @dominicpetter7087 6 років тому

      duszaniespokojna as I know, there should be in the mid version of the L200 a automatic locker (80%) for the rear axle

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  6 років тому

      Dominic Petter What do you mean by automatic locker, some lsd?

    • @dominicpetter7087
      @dominicpetter7087 6 років тому

      duszaniespokojna not sure how it is called in english or how to explain it correctly but it should be like this: if one wheel of the rear axle doesnt have enough traction and the RPM is high enough, there should be a electronical differential locker, whick locks it about 80% for the time it is needed (only in middle version, top and basic have a manual lock system for the differential)

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  6 років тому +1

      Dominic Petter Oh I know what you mean - that is LSD (limited slip differential), that is a part Mitsubishi SS system (Super Select). It works like you said, but it is fully mechanical (viscous coupling differential). Above tested L200 had it, ES versions (Easy Select) have only front-rear manual locker (no differential).
      I thought you were talking about rear diff, but that is for the center one.

  • @sebasGST45
    @sebasGST45 6 років тому +7

    Pajero Sport 2018 Please!!

  • @kartmanzloy8267
    @kartmanzloy8267 6 років тому +6

    I think it's 2H on the first attempt

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  6 років тому

      Kartman Zloy Nope, 4H. ESP limits the power, so center LSD can't lock.

    • @skramar1
      @skramar1 6 років тому +1

      It was in 4H mode wich is bassicliy usles when on rollers. It has torsen center diff and if you dont have any resistence on wheels (rollers, ice ...) acts like open diff. The same thing as quattro. Best thing in normal conditions but usles on rollers

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  6 років тому

      skramar1 I can't see any official info that it is torsen. I think you didn't notice that L200 passed first test when there was some wheel spin (with ESP off), so it worked like LSD, not torsen. But maybe it was intervention of traction control, I don't know, I'd like to see some official info from Mitsubishi.

    • @skramar1
      @skramar1 6 років тому +1

      torse is a type of lsd that need some resistance on both ends to work, pasing the first test was due to greater speed of the rear wheels on rollers so car just went away from them. Observe closeley the test when one front whell was on the roler. In 4h you didnt get constant speed of the front tyres. When you lose traction on one end completley (rear end) torsen sends all of power to that end, acts like an open diff. Make another test on 3 rollers in 4h and pull the handbrake a litle bit up, you will give some resistance to the rear wheels and torsen will divert power to the front wheels even on low throtle

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  6 років тому

      skramar1 I know what torsen is, you don't have to explain it.
      Car will not drive away from rollers just because of greater speed. There must be some locking force in center diff, that can be visco (in diff) or traction control (on wheels).
      If there is torsen diff, it means that traction control is working when ESP is off. Like in low gear.
      Please link official Mitsubishi info about torsen, otherwise that is all just a surmise.

  • @kaanco35
    @kaanco35 6 років тому +5

    Why did not you try in 4LLc mode?

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  6 років тому +1

      +Hilmi Kaan Çolakoğlu We did, no difference in such test.

    • @tureckie
      @tureckie 6 років тому

      Araba En düşük versiyon. Kilit Yok !! 4LLc yok

  • @metallica886
    @metallica886 5 років тому +2

    Amarok V6 please!

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  5 років тому +4

      That would be interesting, especially that it is based on torsen if I remember well. I will try to find some.

  • @bp6837
    @bp6837 3 роки тому

    Will the traction control work?

  • @alexproz6368
    @alexproz6368 2 роки тому

  • @LMO169
    @LMO169 4 роки тому

    Do you know if the Pajero has the same drive train?

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  4 роки тому

      This was basic version of L200 (no rear diff locker). As far as I am concerned - Pajero has rear diff locker as standard equipment. When it comes to center diff - up to 2015 it was the same (viscous coupling differential). Then it was changed in L200 into torsen but I don't know if it was also chanhed in Pajero.

    • @tranvasily8139
      @tranvasily8139 11 місяців тому

      I am driving L200, but I think it doesn't have Torsen. Could you share me any infor about L200's torsen?

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  11 місяців тому

      ​@@tranvasily8139What production year is your L200?

    • @tranvasily8139
      @tranvasily8139 11 місяців тому

      @@4x4.tests.on.rollers hi, my triton 2022.

  • @nisarbazmi7402
    @nisarbazmi7402 6 років тому

    Why the vehicle faced difficulty in 4HLc mode. Does it disengage traction control.

  • @dreamtouchpriyarajcv
    @dreamtouchpriyarajcv 5 років тому

    pls show how this pajero climb steep tar mac road with full cargo and with passanger .and try to show how this pajero climb when it stop between the steep road .and also mention the gear

  • @ElsonCypi
    @ElsonCypi 3 роки тому

    W163 mercedes benz ml please

  • @markcottierkw950
    @markcottierkw950 3 роки тому

    Auto Crack 🤣🤣🤣 Woops,, I mean Auto Krak Haha,,, 🤣🤣

  • @eklazhward4739
    @eklazhward4739 3 роки тому

    co to za rolki ?

  • @thekuca8077
    @thekuca8077 5 років тому

    Great test now you showed me torsen does not spin all 4 wheels at same time

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  5 років тому

      There is no haldex in L200. Actually there's a torsen in current generation.

    • @thekuca8077
      @thekuca8077 5 років тому

      @@4x4.tests.on.rollers sorry i did not know that

  • @japitanacarljason8400
    @japitanacarljason8400 7 місяців тому

    4Llc?

  • @mariuszgwi1948
    @mariuszgwi1948 2 роки тому

    Chętnie bym przetestował moje Pajero z 2019roku na tych roleczkach

  • @maghnaurs2686
    @maghnaurs2686 4 роки тому

    👍

  • @koike28
    @koike28 4 роки тому +1

    Wygląda na to, że nawet Octavia 4x4 jest bardziej terenowa...

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  4 роки тому +1

      Dla ścisłości. Możliwości, jakie daje L200: RWD lub AWD poprzez torsena lub 4x4 z zablokowanym centralnym dyfrem lub 4x4 z zablokowanym centralnym dyfrem i reduktorem lub (kiedyś opcjonalnie, obecnie w standardzie) 4x4 z zablokowanym centralnym dyfrem, zablokowanym tylnym dyfrem oraz reduktorem. W najnowszej wersji także wybór trybu pracy TC (gravel, mud/snow, sand, rock).

    • @koike28
      @koike28 4 роки тому +1

      @@4x4.tests.on.rollers No ok. Tylko czemu tak słabo wypadł na rolkach? Robicie testy "zwykłych" aut, i jakoś lepiej im idzie... Nie rozumiem tego.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  4 роки тому +1

      @@koike28 Gdyby ta wersja L200 nie była okrojona z blokady tylnego dyfra, to prawie we wszystkich testach samochód nawet by nie zarejestrował, że stał na rolkach tylko po prostu ruszył. I przypuszczam, że to właśnie jest powód, dla którego elektronika nie ma żadnego agresywnego sterowania - bo i po cóż, jeśli są blokady. Z drugiej strony w najnowszej wersji wprowadzili różne tryby kontroli trakcji, ale jak działają - jeszcze nie wiem...

    • @koike28
      @koike28 4 роки тому

      @@4x4.tests.on.rollers Dzięki.

  • @megateen7939
    @megateen7939 5 років тому

    👍👍👨

  • @500kofi
    @500kofi 5 років тому

    I want this car

  • @HuiloPu
    @HuiloPu 4 роки тому +1

    Lock

  • @xboxice2005
    @xboxice2005 6 років тому +1

    Super select 2 would have done better :)

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  6 років тому

      Junior Ellis What is the difference between the one from the test and SS2

    • @xboxice2005
      @xboxice2005 6 років тому

      duszaniespokojna only real difference is you can drive on pavement in 4H,im not sure if that truck had traction control,my Pajero does and it would have pass that test.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  6 років тому

      Junior Ellis I checked, SS-II is 33/67 front/rear, SS-I is 50/50. The rest is the same. This L200 has SS2, there is of course traction control. Pajero would probably get the same result (unless you lock rear diff).

    • @xboxice2005
      @xboxice2005 6 років тому

      duszaniespokojna 🤔I have done a diagonal test in 2WD one rear wheel off the ground and I still made it up the small Hill traction control enabled.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  6 років тому +1

      Junior Ellis There is no diagonal test here, L200 would pass it easily. Problems are in more challanging tests, meaning three wheels with no traction (three rollers). There is also no possibility to turn the traction control off (at least on low gear).

  • @keirancuneo2823
    @keirancuneo2823 6 років тому +1

    Wow tho an and in the rear and centre with a locker in the front like the old pagero and u will never get stuck this thing as a pice is shit for off-road

  • @fatihfatih9592
    @fatihfatih9592 6 років тому +16

    Bad

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  6 років тому +5

      +fatih yurttas I don't think so. This car is designed and configured for offroad and heavy load, not for slippery flat roads.

    • @saylsalcan2610
      @saylsalcan2610 6 років тому +1

      fatih yurttas fren çok geç devreye giriyor... katılıyorum...

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  6 років тому +1

      The point of late intervention of brakes is keeping the momentum. That is offroad feature (deep mud, sand etc.), not efficient on ice, light snow or... rollers. However you can turn the esp off, while traction control remains on, so indeed it could be faster with esp on.

    • @saylsalcan2610
      @saylsalcan2610 6 років тому

      duszaniespokojna was the engine noisy ?... and what about the wind noise on highway... did you have a chance to test that ?

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  6 років тому

      Sayıl Salcan I did not test that, I test only 4x4 systems :)

  • @nisarbazmi7402
    @nisarbazmi7402 6 років тому

    How a Toyota Prado will do in such a test, better than mitsubishi

    • @anthonyramdin1037
      @anthonyramdin1037 5 років тому

      Prado has a more high end tc system than this. Plus this vehicle is built for heavy loads which the Prado isn't so it would perform better with a load in the back. And if you've ever see this same test done with the Hilux, you would notice that is doesn't do quite as well as the Prado. Cheers brother 👊.

  • @marcomelgarejozeballos4631
    @marcomelgarejozeballos4631 6 років тому

    La ranger la destrosa

  • @Rudis_Garage
    @Rudis_Garage 6 років тому +5

    Not really a 4x4. I real 4x4 must drive on every wheels with 100% lock.

    • @Schmicky96
      @Schmicky96 6 років тому +5

      Rudi #23 incorrect.. A 4wd only has to be able to spin all 4 tyres, doesn't have to do it all at the same time.

    • @anthonyramdin1037
      @anthonyramdin1037 5 років тому +3

      @@Schmicky96 if all were to move at the same time then the vehicle will be locked front and rear. You are absolutely correct my friend.

    • @mikehzz9848
      @mikehzz9848 4 роки тому

      Rudi #23.....you know nothing about 4x4.

  • @only1battman
    @only1battman 5 років тому

    Definitely not a 4wd system, and its even a poor performing All wheel drive system.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  5 років тому +5

      Can't agree.
      Center diff locked - 4wd system.
      Optional rear diff lock - 4wd system.
      Center diff open - torsen - good awd system.

    • @only1battman
      @only1battman 5 років тому

      @@4x4.tests.on.rollers I do agree with your above statements, but if this was a true 4wd system it would have a locked center diff aka the transfer case and this would have allowed cross spin. One front and one rear spinning this vehicle did not demonstrate that functionality.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  5 років тому +3

      @@only1battman 4HLc means that center diff is locked.

    • @zxspeccy48k
      @zxspeccy48k 4 роки тому

      For anyone reading this and thinking about buying this type of car it is a proper 4WD. Think of 4H as a very, very light four wheel drive system for on the road at high speed. Go back and watch only the 4HLc videos and you'll see it's absolutely working. The TCS effectively gives you front and rear LSD's...

  • @trl510
    @trl510 6 років тому +6

    fail....

  • @atoscania
    @atoscania 6 років тому +2

    Porquería de tracción

  • @angrynas9668
    @angrynas9668 6 років тому +1

    Bad,so--->toyota

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  6 років тому +4

      Argiris Milonas Toyota awd systems? Like this one? ua-cam.com/video/so8JLIYc1yU/v-deo.html

  • @jetrex1986
    @jetrex1986 4 роки тому +1

    Worst 4x4 I have seen on the rollers -- ;-(

  • @mazdar100
    @mazdar100 5 років тому +1

    Pretty shit result. I own one of these and am now scared to take it offroad

    • @averagedriving3979
      @averagedriving3979 3 роки тому +2

      The results was actually pretty good, you just don’t know how 4x4 work
      4H gear in this car isn’t meant for off road and brake traction control isn’t working hard. In 4HLC and 4LLC the traction control is working at maximum and you can see the results is completely different.