Mitsubishi L200 2.4 DID Super Select - 4x4 test on rollers
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Mitsubishi L200 2.4 DID Super Select- 4x4 tests on rollers
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Many comments here from people who know nothing about 4x4. This was a good result.
It's a not good result for a car specifically designed to be off road, it should be able to lock all 4 wheels.
@@alex-craft there are only a couple of 4wd's that can lock all 4 wheels standard off the showroom floor. A Wrangler Rubicon or a G-Wagen off the top of my head.
@@mikehzz9848 yes, I understand, what I meant is that it's really strange that cars with price ~30-50k, specifically designed for off road doesn't have this capability. Like - for a comparison this is 60y old cheap truck (see video link) that cost ~3k$ and yet it has full locks. It's hard to understand why modern off road cars with high price doesn't have this locks. The link to cheap car (it's not reliable and I don't meant that people should buy it, just a comparison how cheap are those locks to implement) ua-cam.com/video/tjbR_gA3Ycc/v-deo.html
@@mikehzz9848 Almost every Toyota land cruiser and Mitsi Pajero have a diff lock as standard. 4x4 without diff locks are not as useful one would think, as its shown in the video.
@@FoxHotelLima wrong. I go driving with two mates, one with a Landcruiser 200 series, the other with a Landcruiser Prado, and neither has front or rear diff locks.
You did the test :)..thank you..thumbs up
very informative.
Super test. Jedna uwaga. Powinniście również testować na przełożeniu 4LLc.W przełożeniu 4LLc uruchamiana jest automatycznie blokada przedniego mostu. (dotyczy tylko Super Selsct) W Easy Select kierowca może włacznikiem blokować tylny most
Dzięki. Blokady przedniego mostu nie ma w standardowym wyposażeniu L200.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Otóż właśnie jest. Dla mnie też to była niespodzianka.(L200 2009r wersja napędu Super Select) Na przednim moście zamontowany jest siłownik który właśnie tą blokadę aktywuje. Jeśli masz emial to chętnie prześle zdjęcie przedniego mostu z siłownikiem. Pozdrawiam
@@projbud Miałem L200 2007 z Super Select i nawet tylnej blokady nie było... Zerknę w wolnej chwili na serwisówkę i zobaczę, jak to wygląda. Podeślij proszę fotkę na stacjakontrolitrakcji@vp.pl. Pozdrawiam
Edit: zapraszam na test, sprawdzimy, czy jest czy nie ma ;)
To, co widzisz to siłownik od przedniego napędu, blokady nie ma.
to jest siłownik załączania przedniego mostu a nie siłownik blokady. Zadne L200 nie jest wyposażone fanrycznie w blokadę przedniego mostu @@projbud
Can you also test 2011 pajero iv?
Sayıl Salcan Not yet, but probably it will be tested during summer.
thanks for the info, appreciate!
Great test thx man, needed to see this. I have a fiat fullback. And it works great here in Northern Sweden specially with snowchains on al 4.
Here in Poland it is very hard to find Fiat Fullback, people decide to get it under Mitsubishi brand.
For the scenario where 4HLC is engaged and only one front wheel is on the ground, should the traction control on the front axle have kicked in and braked the front wheel on the roller, hence giving drive to the other front wheel on the ground?
Yes and that's exactly what it did.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thanks, very good video. I should have asked, should the traction control have kicked in sooner? It seemed to have taken some time before the truck was able to get off the rollers.
@@emersonuy7231 Well, it could be a little bit quicker. But that's how it works in many Mitsubishi cars.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thanks. I am a Pajero Sport owner and was looking for videos on Mitsubishi's traction control. Understand that the system sensitivity can vary across brands. That is a very good test you did.
@@emersonuy7231 Thanks. Sensitivity may vary not only across the brands but even inside one brand. There's quite a lot of of Mitsubishi cars tested on my channel so you can compare them.
I watched this and thought the truck wasn't very good, but after I did some reading and watched again I realised it's actually fine.
4H is for on road driving - the centre diff is meant to be open, and the TCS isn't meant to be working hard. This is in the vehicle literature. On 3 rollers in 4H it's not designed to get off the rollers - it hasn't failed!
In 4HLc on 3 rollers (1F/2R) you see both rear wheels spinning in the correct direction - this is the TCS simulating an LSD. If it wasn't the opposite wheel wouldn't turn, or go slightly backwards.
When he does 3 rollers (2F/1R) it drives off immediately - switching off the TCS/ESP actually makes it worse by the looks of things.
Watch it again and ignore the 4H videos and it makes more sense.
Yes, it doesn't have a front diff, and I guess the TCS could simulate one (not sure why it doesn't) but that's the same with most pick-ups...
Yes, that's very good analysis, many people don't get that. Furthermore - this system is designed for versions with rear diff locker, this L200 was some basic version without it.
Actually, watching the video again, the TCS does pull the front wheels forward. 4HLc on three rollers (2F/1R) @2:55 and at @3:10 you can see both front wheels running... It's just not super aggressive like a manual diff locker - which might work better in practice. Lots of people think a diff locker is infallible and just end up digging a whole axle into the ground in no time.
Great video by the way OP - really nicely done with seeing both sides. I actually bought one of these trucks based partly on this test (a 2015 Titan) which doesn't have the manual locker and works like the truck in the video.
Honestly, you can feel it work when you're stuck in the mud. I've had a few 4x4's (King Cab, Navara d21, P38 Range Rover, GR Patrol,..) and this thing is as good as any, and better than most.
no, failing 3 rollers means you're lacking front or rear lockers/limited slip. Has nothing to do with the center differential. If the front had LSD or a Locker he could drive off three.
@@krebgurfson5732 It has a lot of to do with center differential. Center one is the first to split the torque, then you have front and rear.
@@zxspeccy48k Hi man,first of all, i would like to thank the owner of the video. Great video. I also owned range rover p38, kia sorento, vw amarok, mitsubishi l200(triton) 2014, jeep g.cherokee wj. After all these adventures, i am planning to buy this version of L200, automatic trans.
i was sceptical deeply. Coz the one i am planning does not have rear diff lock. Now, i clearly see that, rear diff lock is not infalliable! And i am also not a hard offroader. I am just a camper. I just do not want to get stucked in a 2200 metre mountain, in the middle of nowehere and lonely. So, i have to own a vehicle which can get out of the mud or sand by its own.
I think, this facelift of l200 is a good option many ways.
Thank you once again. This kind of sharings are really helpful! Comments also unites offroad passionate people together!
best regards from Istanbul
pls show how this pajero climb steep tar mac road with full cargo and with passanger .and try to show how this pajero climb when it stop between the steep road .and also mention the gear
We do not make such tests.
Great video can you do this on toyota hilux or fortuner
Thanks. If we find Hilux - we will test it for sure.
Cool test, you could also use the rear locker.
+hossguitar This was version without rear locker :) We also tried low gear, results were the same.
duszaniespokojna as I know, there should be in the mid version of the L200 a automatic locker (80%) for the rear axle
Dominic Petter What do you mean by automatic locker, some lsd?
duszaniespokojna not sure how it is called in english or how to explain it correctly but it should be like this: if one wheel of the rear axle doesnt have enough traction and the RPM is high enough, there should be a electronical differential locker, whick locks it about 80% for the time it is needed (only in middle version, top and basic have a manual lock system for the differential)
Dominic Petter Oh I know what you mean - that is LSD (limited slip differential), that is a part Mitsubishi SS system (Super Select). It works like you said, but it is fully mechanical (viscous coupling differential). Above tested L200 had it, ES versions (Easy Select) have only front-rear manual locker (no differential).
I thought you were talking about rear diff, but that is for the center one.
Will the traction control work?
It works.
Amarok V6 please!
That would be interesting, especially that it is based on torsen if I remember well. I will try to find some.
Why the vehicle faced difficulty in 4HLc mode. Does it disengage traction control.
Traction control is always on.
if the differential is activated, the traction control is desactivated
@@juanesyt3140 Differential activated?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers active sorry
@@juanesyt3140 I have no idea what you mean.
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Pajero Sport 2018 Please!!
+Sebastian Gutierrez Not available in my country :-(
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers even now?
@@xboxice2005 Yes.
Do you know if the Pajero has the same drive train?
This was basic version of L200 (no rear diff locker). As far as I am concerned - Pajero has rear diff locker as standard equipment. When it comes to center diff - up to 2015 it was the same (viscous coupling differential). Then it was changed in L200 into torsen but I don't know if it was also chanhed in Pajero.
I am driving L200, but I think it doesn't have Torsen. Could you share me any infor about L200's torsen?
@@tranvasily8139What production year is your L200?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers hi, my triton 2022.
Great test now you showed me torsen does not spin all 4 wheels at same time
There is no haldex in L200. Actually there's a torsen in current generation.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers sorry i did not know that
Why did not you try in 4LLc mode?
+Hilmi Kaan Çolakoğlu We did, no difference in such test.
Araba En düşük versiyon. Kilit Yok !! 4LLc yok
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co to za rolki ?
O co dokładnie pytasz?
Chętnie bym przetestował moje Pajero z 2019roku na tych roleczkach
Zapraszam 🙂
4Llc?
We didn't try low gear.
I think it's 2H on the first attempt
Kartman Zloy Nope, 4H. ESP limits the power, so center LSD can't lock.
It was in 4H mode wich is bassicliy usles when on rollers. It has torsen center diff and if you dont have any resistence on wheels (rollers, ice ...) acts like open diff. The same thing as quattro. Best thing in normal conditions but usles on rollers
skramar1 I can't see any official info that it is torsen. I think you didn't notice that L200 passed first test when there was some wheel spin (with ESP off), so it worked like LSD, not torsen. But maybe it was intervention of traction control, I don't know, I'd like to see some official info from Mitsubishi.
torse is a type of lsd that need some resistance on both ends to work, pasing the first test was due to greater speed of the rear wheels on rollers so car just went away from them. Observe closeley the test when one front whell was on the roler. In 4h you didnt get constant speed of the front tyres. When you lose traction on one end completley (rear end) torsen sends all of power to that end, acts like an open diff. Make another test on 3 rollers in 4h and pull the handbrake a litle bit up, you will give some resistance to the rear wheels and torsen will divert power to the front wheels even on low throtle
skramar1 I know what torsen is, you don't have to explain it.
Car will not drive away from rollers just because of greater speed. There must be some locking force in center diff, that can be visco (in diff) or traction control (on wheels).
If there is torsen diff, it means that traction control is working when ESP is off. Like in low gear.
Please link official Mitsubishi info about torsen, otherwise that is all just a surmise.
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Super select 2 would have done better :)
Junior Ellis What is the difference between the one from the test and SS2
duszaniespokojna only real difference is you can drive on pavement in 4H,im not sure if that truck had traction control,my Pajero does and it would have pass that test.
Junior Ellis I checked, SS-II is 33/67 front/rear, SS-I is 50/50. The rest is the same. This L200 has SS2, there is of course traction control. Pajero would probably get the same result (unless you lock rear diff).
duszaniespokojna 🤔I have done a diagonal test in 2WD one rear wheel off the ground and I still made it up the small Hill traction control enabled.
Junior Ellis There is no diagonal test here, L200 would pass it easily. Problems are in more challanging tests, meaning three wheels with no traction (three rollers). There is also no possibility to turn the traction control off (at least on low gear).
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Wygląda na to, że nawet Octavia 4x4 jest bardziej terenowa...
Dla ścisłości. Możliwości, jakie daje L200: RWD lub AWD poprzez torsena lub 4x4 z zablokowanym centralnym dyfrem lub 4x4 z zablokowanym centralnym dyfrem i reduktorem lub (kiedyś opcjonalnie, obecnie w standardzie) 4x4 z zablokowanym centralnym dyfrem, zablokowanym tylnym dyfrem oraz reduktorem. W najnowszej wersji także wybór trybu pracy TC (gravel, mud/snow, sand, rock).
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers No ok. Tylko czemu tak słabo wypadł na rolkach? Robicie testy "zwykłych" aut, i jakoś lepiej im idzie... Nie rozumiem tego.
@@koike28 Gdyby ta wersja L200 nie była okrojona z blokady tylnego dyfra, to prawie we wszystkich testach samochód nawet by nie zarejestrował, że stał na rolkach tylko po prostu ruszył. I przypuszczam, że to właśnie jest powód, dla którego elektronika nie ma żadnego agresywnego sterowania - bo i po cóż, jeśli są blokady. Z drugiej strony w najnowszej wersji wprowadzili różne tryby kontroli trakcji, ale jak działają - jeszcze nie wiem...
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Dzięki.
I am not an expert and I am asking to understand. This is a bad result, right? Because sedans with awd systems performed better. This truck is a off-road machine and should be more off-road capable.
No, this is not bad result. There are a few modes of awd system, you just need to know which and when should be used. The only missing thing in this L200 was rear diff locker, but you can get it in other versions - then you have full offroader.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thank you for your explanation. But for example dacia duster has no rear diff locker too and duster performs better on this test. Don't you think that L200 should outperform duster? Because duster is a daily drive compact SUV and L200 is a offroad machine.
@@giraykamilkaya Duster also needed some specific setup to pass three roller tests. I think that electronics of L200 are designed to work with two diff lockers. This was "street" version with only one locker, so it was struggling a bit. But when it comes to offroad, there is much more features than awd system, like low gear or solid axles, which L200 has.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thank you for your explanation. Now I understand better. You have a great informing channel by the way.
How a Toyota Prado will do in such a test, better than mitsubishi
Prado has a more high end tc system than this. Plus this vehicle is built for heavy loads which the Prado isn't so it would perform better with a load in the back. And if you've ever see this same test done with the Hilux, you would notice that is doesn't do quite as well as the Prado. Cheers brother 👊.
Wow tho an and in the rear and centre with a locker in the front like the old pagero and u will never get stuck this thing as a pice is shit for off-road
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+fatih yurttas I don't think so. This car is designed and configured for offroad and heavy load, not for slippery flat roads.
fatih yurttas fren çok geç devreye giriyor... katılıyorum...
The point of late intervention of brakes is keeping the momentum. That is offroad feature (deep mud, sand etc.), not efficient on ice, light snow or... rollers. However you can turn the esp off, while traction control remains on, so indeed it could be faster with esp on.
duszaniespokojna was the engine noisy ?... and what about the wind noise on highway... did you have a chance to test that ?
Sayıl Salcan I did not test that, I test only 4x4 systems :)
Not really a 4x4. I real 4x4 must drive on every wheels with 100% lock.
Rudi #23 incorrect.. A 4wd only has to be able to spin all 4 tyres, doesn't have to do it all at the same time.
@@Schmicky96 if all were to move at the same time then the vehicle will be locked front and rear. You are absolutely correct my friend.
Rudi #23.....you know nothing about 4x4.
Definitely not a 4wd system, and its even a poor performing All wheel drive system.
Can't agree.
Center diff locked - 4wd system.
Optional rear diff lock - 4wd system.
Center diff open - torsen - good awd system.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I do agree with your above statements, but if this was a true 4wd system it would have a locked center diff aka the transfer case and this would have allowed cross spin. One front and one rear spinning this vehicle did not demonstrate that functionality.
@@only1battman 4HLc means that center diff is locked.
For anyone reading this and thinking about buying this type of car it is a proper 4WD. Think of 4H as a very, very light four wheel drive system for on the road at high speed. Go back and watch only the 4HLc videos and you'll see it's absolutely working. The TCS effectively gives you front and rear LSD's...
fail....
Jeff Dungca It passed all tests, where do you see fail?
Bad,so--->toyota
Argiris Milonas Toyota awd systems? Like this one? ua-cam.com/video/so8JLIYc1yU/v-deo.html
Pretty shit result. I own one of these and am now scared to take it offroad
The results was actually pretty good, you just don’t know how 4x4 work
4H gear in this car isn’t meant for off road and brake traction control isn’t working hard. In 4HLC and 4LLC the traction control is working at maximum and you can see the results is completely different.
Worst 4x4 I have seen on the rollers -- ;-(
It passed all tests.