Game Theory: Is A Shield Your BEST Weapon? (Assassin's Creed Valhalla) DEBUNKED!
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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An armour (spelled armor in the US) is a protective covering that is used to prevent damage from being inflicted to an object, individual, or vehicle by weapons or projectiles, usually during combat, or from damage caused by a potentially dangerous environment or action.
The word "armour" began to appear in the Middle Ages as a derivative of Old French. It is dated from 1297 as a "mail, defensive covering worn in combat". The word originates from the Old French armure, itself derived from the Latin armatura meaning "arms and/or equipment", with the root armare meaning "arms or gear".
Armour has been used throughout recorded history. It has been made from a variety of materials, beginning with rudimentary leather protection and evolving through mail and metal plate into today's modern composites.
Significant factors in the development of armour include the economic and technological necessities of its production. For instance, plate armour first appeared in Medieval Europe when water-powered trip hammers made the formation of plates faster and cheaper.
Well-known armour types in European history include the lorica hamata, lorica squamata, and the lorica segmentata of the Roman legions, the mail hauberk of the early medieval age, and the full steel plate harness worn by later medieval and renaissance knights, and breast and back plates worn by heavy cavalry in several European countries until the first year of World War I (1914-15). The samurai warriors of feudal Japan utilised many types of armour for hundreds of years up to the 19th century.
A sword is a bladed weapon used for cutting and thrusting the enemies. The precise definition of the term varies with the historical epoch or the geographical region under consideration. A sword in the most narrow sense consists of a straight blade with two edges and a hilt, but depending on context, the term is also often used to refer to bladed weapons with a single edge.
Maces are blunt weapons, a club-like that uses a heavy head on the end of a handle to smash enemies with powerful and devastating blows. A mace typically is made of a strong, heavy, wooden or metal shaft, reinforced with metal, with a head made of stone, copper, bronze, iron, or steel.
They sometimes added flanges or knobs to the head of a military mace to allow greater penetration of plate armour. Maces were developed during the Paleolithic from the simple club, by adding sharp spikes of flint or obsidian. During the Middle Ages armour made of metal such as mail protected against the blows of edged weapons. Metal maces and war hammers though proved able to inflict damage on metal armoured knights, as the force of a blow from a mace is great enough to cause damage without penetrating the armour. Iron was often the main choice to build this kind of weapons but copper and bronze were also used, especially in iron-deficient areas.
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Thanks for the correction mate. I guess it comes down to how we define what a battlefield weapon is. I don’t really consider the longsword a battlefield weapon either, even though it was used on the battlefield, because that is not it’s sole purpose or use, whereas a poleaxe is far more designed for the battlefield. I guess I should stick with, not a “primary” battlefield weapon to be clearer ^_^
LOVED the video, especially since you touched on several things I skipped, and elaborated farther on others, all depending on what we’re more studied in. I noticed you skipped the archery decapitation part but were also able to share more information on the Japanese elements. Just makes both our videos complement each other even more.
To be fair, from the period pictures I've seen, longswords with shields appear to be mixed into spear lines; whether it's to protect the spear bearers, or so officers could move through the line more easily, isn't so clear.
I hope Matt sees your video and this one and makes his own response video admitting he was mistaken.
Hey Shad! Yes I didnt talk about the archery part because you did extensively and I didnt feel I could really add anything to It also because I'm not an Archer like you or Matt Easton. Anyhow I'm glad you liked my video and Great job on yours! As for the Battlefield weapon I consider a Battlefield weapon a weapon that was used on a Battlefield, since all Samurai during the time the katana was in use carried them on the field I would consider It as such, but I do see your point of view too.
@@metatronyt Can I just say that if you are in Italy rn, you are really staying up late. Lol. Gn
This is wholesome content
"A glorified stick with a blade at the end" describes every single melee weapon on its most basic level, except for a club, that's just a glorified stick.
This is truer than I am comfortable with.
@@huntclanhunt9697 agreed
Yeah. And a sword. Which is a glorified tiny stick wrapped in leather and fitted with a large blade
I like glorified sticks that fire antitank ammo at enemies. for self defense. *cough*
@@szarekhthesilent2047 oh you mean those that are meant to combat (among others) glorified Cars with giant Glorified Pipes on them to shoot glorified Fireworks? Jup those are nice.
MatPat: *makes medieval theory*
Shad, Meta, and Skall: How many times do we have to teach you this lesson young man?
lol I get the reference
Game theory: lemme teach you medieval stuff
Metatron, Shad, and Skall: *pillar men theme*
AYAYAYAYAAAAY
So lindybeige is Santana?
shad: awaken my masters
_touches metatron and skall's nipples_
*AYAYAYA*
@@pougetguillaume4632 here, have my upvote
Now someone has to draw them as the Pillar Men.
mat: "look at how tightly packed they are"
me: they look like they are practicing social distancing
We call that "hero" formation. In a movie directed by meatheads.
me: If those are "tightly packed" then armies in the Lord of the Rings movies were black-hole levels of "tightly packed".
@@atraxian5881 "Why are their shoulders touching? How are they supposed to swing in a 180 degree telegraphed strike?"
Such considerate warriors! Good for them!...
@@PacMonster0 Actually even in artillery times tight was still better than loose - see e.g. Napoleonic Wars, Crimean War, or American Civil War. Only the introduction of the machine gun loosened the infantry formations.
MatPat: "Dual wielding is illogical."
Musashi: "Hold my oar."
Musashi: "... Wait, what am I doing, give it back, I need it."
MatPat: Makes a history-related video
Shad, Metatron, and Skall: Allow us to introduce ourselves
*(aztec dubstep/trap music starts playing)*
@@Magus_Union pillarmen jojo theme?
... we are men of wealth and taste, we been around for long long years and take many theories to waste.... please to meet you, hope you guess our names.
Don’t you mean “re-introduce ourselves”
Shad, Metatron, and Skall: the Holy Trinity
Screw it, Imma add Matt Easton to that even though it would no longer be a trinity with four people. How about the Four Horsemen?
Honestly I'm impressed. I thought when I saw this video it was going to he a guy who had absolutely no idea what he was talking abt a video that was popular to make a quick buck. BOY WAS I WRONG I actually really really enjoyed this and it was fun to learn about it. You were very humble and nice when talking abt his mistakes and described the actual answer with loads of info. Keep up the great work man. I look forward to your next vid!
I'm glad to hear, thanks!
I kinda hope Game Theory keeps making these videos on historical weapons/armor, if only because UA-camrs like Metatron and Shad make great response videos.
Indeed. The first 2 minutes had me crying.
I still keep my hand on my face...
Agreed
While I fo like these response videos, I don't like MatPat posting blatant misinformation.
Only issue is they are on thin Ice if Game Theory complains. Some new YT laws actually forbid making reply videos.
The way Matt talks with such confidence and certainty when giving false or misinformed information is painful to watch
I still have PTSD from that For Honor video
If matt isnt careful he will end up like lars anderson. The king of cherry picking information.
@@elijahbrewer1820 Nah, a bunch of kids, preteens, and adolescents will eat up his content, such as FNAF.
He needs to just shut up and just cover more FNAF videos
But that's how all the people who do videos professionally talk - and as the Metatron prefaced the video with: every history youtuber has been wrong about something they, too, probably said with confidence(maybe even mocking something that was actually correct).
History community on UA-cam is just the best.
@EpicMetalWarrior Yep
Agreed. Reminds me of the community of old school youtube lol
This community is more of the ancient an medieval history community rather than a history community. In general they trend around that era leaving out more recent times.
The most passive aggressive at the very least lol
Truly.
He suffers from the Dunning-Kruger effect. He knows so little of the field he talks authoritatively about that he doesn't know how wrong he is, and that he should not talk like an authority.
Ha Ha, great video. I'm avoiding talking about this as I know loads of game developers! One day I'll let you know why my channel is oddly called Modern History TV!
wtf?
Mate what?
@@strongbear3369 Modern History is Jason Kingsley, OBE , CEO of Rebellion Developments. Yeah, he knows "some" people in the game industry ;)
when are you guys making a medieval game btw( and here i mean your game studio, not your YT channel ). kinda like kingdom come but of course done your own way. with you at the helm it would be the most accurate game ever. and warhorse has proven that there is a market for such things. please im begging you :) love your channel BTW
medieval history youtube
"You can only be offensive with one side of your body at a time"
Public flashers use both hands to open the trenchcoat.
Lol
Cursed comment
Not the sneaky ones.
@@retardcorpsman not if you do it as a Catholic Priest on a Sunday School
Lmao
Metatron is truly an angel, super kind to inform Mat, spends hours to teach us and stops misinformation!
*MattPat makes a GT video*
Everyone is fine.
*MattPat makes a GT video featuring medieval weaponry*
Medieval channels: I feel a disturbance in the Force.
If my opponent were armored I would rather have an empty off hand than a twig.
Very good point!
If your open hand has any kind of armor, sure; otherwise, the stick is still better, since you can at least throw it at their face.
@@bubbasbigblast8563 as opposed to grappling, making unbalancing shoves and pulls, or other free-hand techniques that are available?
@@HenshinFanatic If someone has a sharp object, approaching it with an unarmoured hand is an incredibly good way to lose your fingers, or the hand itself. It would never be worth the risk.
@@bubbasbigblast8563 Better to lose a hand than your life. Also ever heard of G R A P P L I N G?
Very good debunking video Metatron!
I wanted to add that blade grabbing as an option happens quite a lot during a fight. The requirements is only grabbing the opponent's sword while it stops (which requires good timing), if the sword doesn't move it is possible to hold it bare handed, of course a pair of "simple" leather gloves is recomended, it'sfar more than enough to decrease the chance of being slashed by a twitch, a twist or a pull (which are three common ways of trying to free the sword by a grab).
Anyway Fiore dei Liberi tells us that while duelling (and most probably also while traveling and as a Fashion tool) people was wearing "Guanti di Camussa" chamuis leather gloves, to protect the hands. Armor doesn't increase the safety in this specific act, but increases the chance of stopping the sword (you can stop it whit almost all your body) and so increases the number of chances to actually grab the sword.
Thank you for your comment!
Me: Stop, Metty, he is already dead!
Metty: That's not even a templar.
You also have to remember that the Vikings used axes alot in their daily lives, when not raiding (I.e making firewood, plankmaking, boatmaking etc.). So they where extreamly proficient with this weapon.
And it's what you have on hand. Spending a ton of money on a sword that you only really use on raids? Makes sense if you are really wealthy, sure, but if not, why not just get a good axe, that you'll use every day, and it will also do it's job when you do need to fight.
"You can hit people with 1 hand" lmao
I love how this video is reaching "people die when they are killed" levels at some points, to think you need to explain such obvious things lol
No it's not, *"people die when they are killed"* makes totally no sense and I agree, but saying *"you can hit people with 1 hand"* doesn't mean he think you didn't know it, its just a way to support what he is trying to say adding something YOU already know so it is mor understandable
22:20 actually, according to the Livonian Rhymed Chronicle, a rubber duck deals exactly 0.0762 damage, but when paired with a kite shield it gets a x750 damage multiplier
There are HEMA techniques on how to dual wield a spear and sword, while wearing a shield. It's pretty cool. Check out Paulus Hector Mair's manuals for reference :D
I think I've seen that one. Definitely wouldn't try it at home though.
Spear AND Sword AND Shield?... Jesus Christ i would run away immediately
Yeah but it is still only a niche technique and practicing it demands kinda master skills level in spear and sword to begin with.
@@HanSolo__ yeah but I can immagine it being absolute cancer
@@eraimattei Don't let Kassandra smell your fear
"Son were are you going?"
"Over to the Yakeda's, they got a new goat"
"Okay Son, but dont forget your Wakizahsi just in case if you have to comit harakiri"
"Oh yea, thanks Dad, you're the best!"
Crush his theories, Sir Metatron, in the name of historical accuracy!
if no one does, this plague of weebs and misinformation will continue.
18:26 Oh, he really lost me by calling an axe a glorified stick. I now agree wholeheartedly this guy has zero combat training or experience. 21:03 As you said, I'd rather be punched than hit with the boss of a shield. And the Romans used their shields offensively. Correct me if I'm wrong. Smashing that boss into their opponent to open them up for a gladius thrust. I remember reading about a Spartan who drew a close to life sized fly on his shield, and when chided by his peers, said something along the lines of, "it will be the size of a giant in my enemy's face." Clearly this Spartan had intentions of using his shield offensively.
I find it hilarious that you claim HE's the one doesn't have any combat experience when at the same time you say that a shield is used offensively
@@NoName-yw1pt have you ever used a shield? They can be used offensively. Shields with a boss can be used to strike with the boss, broken nose, broken bones, etc. Strike with the edge using the mass of the shield and your body, again, could possibly break bone. Not even mentioning things like the spiked pavise.
"You can only really be offensive with...one side of your body at a time."
Sure brand deodorant would like to know your location.
I'm glad you touched on the fact that a free hand is not a useless hand. I'd go as far as a stick doesn't beat a free hand but I digress
I agree!
25:40 that's not really a battle. it looks more like a disorganised skirmish
Looks more like a rout than a skirmish even one turned a tad chaotic
Well, as Metatron said, I think it looks like a movie set, really :/
"He thinks of something that makes sense in his head, then says it authoritatively as though its backed up by some sort of evidence"
This sums up my problem with matpat in general
This sums up the problem with our society in general.
Sure it’s a problem but he says something authoritatively because he’s talking about nothing pretty much most of the time so saying fuck all in a timid tone isn’t going to get people to watch your content.
@@keeganbell6224 this is fine if you are someone who just spit balls and spouts anecdotes and historical vignettes off the cuff, but Matpat fancies himself an educator. This paired with the fact that so often he doesn't know what he is talking about (often outsourcing his scripts to freelancers who he relies on to do their own fact checking), his authoritative voice just comes off as smug.
@@keeganbell6224 that's a pretty hot take dude, spreading misinformation is okay because hes doing It for money. Does this apply to other unethical behaviors?
@@legwah1576 no I’m saying he had another incentive to make a video because it seems like people are disappointed that he made another one
"It is important to reach out to people more knowledgeable than you"
Yes! It does work on ANY field of work.
It is waaaay better than blindly doing stuff.
MatPat: "in the valhalla trailer they are tightly packed"
Metatron: "my dissapointment is immesurable, and my day is ruined"
This is why I ignore any of GTs videos that have anything to do with a video game set in a historical period.
My two cents. Not only with weapons, but when fighting barehanded we use two hands when we fight ... (7:30 oh. You mentioned it. Well done metaboy) and let's consider some kicks that we use when we attack on close quarters. You can attack with multiple limbs at the same time (brings me back memories of training american kempo)
I love the fact that Metatron is wearing armor while sitting at the computer, something about it seems funny
Dual wield tower shields adorned with spikes to really dominate the enemy
Big brain move for ultra-chads
Why not just get a war wolf
@@chasedean4032 is it a portable hand held war wolf though?
Actually, why not try this: you could make an early handgun, likely just a simple timed fuse that you can pair with a think wooded shield, and a dagger as your other weapon?
Yes but you need 20 in endurance and 20 in strength to wield it for more than 2 minutes.
That message is useless because Mr.Mat takes literally all criticism as “hate”
Anyone who makes money off any odd bit of garbage they put out will tend to do this. Most likely because it's too much work coming up with anything else to say.
I mean, at this point he probably has staff to do everything not related to actually filming videos, staff to write scripts, staff to do minimal "research", staff to edit...
You read these comments? Tell me how many of them seem "constructive". Yeah. Thought so. The history community is great. But they also have a terrible case of self importance.
@@johnathanera5863 Why do the comments on this video have to be constructive criticism? The youtubers have done a fine job of it already. And I'd hardly call the comments section "the history community". Some of us might be educated, but most of us come here *to be educated* , and also entertained. If matpat ignores this video because the comments on it are mean, then that's pretty sad.
I didn't watched yet, but to summarize: shields aren't shape and was not projected to kill, even being possible by pushing somebody into a cliff, using swords or axes works better when attacking.
I mean.
You absolutely can beat the fuck out of someone with a shield especially smaller ones if you punch someone with the edge of a shield shits gonna fuck you up
Metal boss? Built in steel knuckles. Heavy hard thing hit man real gud.
@Meba yeah the boss wouldnt work to well unless its a buckler.
But the edge? Absolutely and you can defend at the same time if you time it right
@Meba yes because we all know its basically rock paper scissors right? Because its not like theres a million different exigent circumstances and variables or thst sometimes you just have to improvise.
First of all.i wasn't saying be faster or some shit im saying if your opponent swings high with his axe and you go to punch him in his neck you are also blocking his swing.
But im pretty sure you implied an axe would go through a shield which....no
@Meba wtf are you on about? No shit you csn kill better with an axe that's not the argument were just saying you can use a shield offensively in a very effective manner its not purely defensive or even close to it.
And saying that using a shield offensively can work on a situational basis is like saying a bone can kill a knight is well
Thats fucking stupid and not anywheres near a valid comparison.
Like even if im arguing dude with shield can beat dude with axe.
Thats still fucking stupid to equate that.
A guy with a shield vs a guy with an axe has a bit of a disadvantage but still has quite a bit to work with(for one he can block the axe while axe guy cant really block the shield)
Its not anywheres close to "because he misses %100 of the time" its closer too "shield guy just has to be a little clever a little lucky and kinda strong)
Mat: *Makes a medieval video *
Metaboy: and I took that personally...
That intro is pure Gold XD
Ah yes, Brittany is a glorious place. Fellow Celts👍
@@tireachan6178 much love Gaelic (I assume ?) friend !
Can someone tell me all the names he mentioned in the intro? ._.
@@ghastly9901 With pleasure :)
Schola Gladiatoria
Skallagrim
Knyghterrant
Shadiversity
LindyBeige
Here you are, if I forgot any, anyone feel free to correct me :)
@@gwennblei I think there was one more name which started with "th" I'm not sure...but thanks man appreciate it!
I do love it when a community actually works together when debunking inaccuracies. It just makes things easier to understand
I remember in the show "Deadliest Warrior" (I know, I know) they did a great job showing how deadly a shield can be on its own. A hoplite shield could knock out, if not outright kill, an unarmored person if struck in the head. Sure a lot of the show was complete bs, but credit where credit is due, seeing the real thing go up against realistic analogs was pretty cool.
This is the second time he’s had a historical video debunked. Honestly he needs to do better or stip
Dont you see its all a work? One makes a video and all the others make a response so they can all make money from eatch others content.
@@mortenjacobsen5673 Lol no. Massive channels like GameTheory have massive audiences and couldn't care less if they get half their "facts" wrong, because they know their fanbase are mostly impressionable children/teens and will defend them anyway.
Controversy does increase traffic and keeps that algorithm rolling, but I don't believe for a second that this is some "work" like a wrestling angle. They just don't care, and if they rustle some feathers from small channels, so what.
Nah, the views (which =more adsense and being paid more for sponsorships) will keep coming in from children and young teens, no matter how much misinformation he spouts. He's gonna keep going because his young audience doesn't give a fuck.
@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 well the patern repeats
He needs to stop.
When it comes to the concept of spikes shields, in collaboration with another crusader like myself who is a guy who has made some weapons and studies history, like me, though my primary focus is the Crusades, he mentioned Spiked Shields were a decorative piece. They were Decor and not weapons, which fits them. And after the third time Mat has done this, well... I’m not willing to help him. But, my crusader comrade has made a good argument with dual wielding and he does seem proficient with it. And as a minor correction, Mat has some weapon experience. In choreography because in the same damn month you, Skall, and Shad made responses to him, on his TV Show, Game Lab, he hired a Choreographer to teach him swordplay, which me and my lad were rather offended by as sword enthusiasts. And also people who practice in the art of swordplay.
I've watched dudes in plate armor get knocked right out by a buckler punch... shield punching is a completely valid tactic.
Where do you see something like that these days?
@@rikgales123 imcf compations
@@rikgales123 Full contact sparing. Look up HEMA, god knows you're on the right part of UA-cam
@@MAXIMILLIONtheGREAT as a boxer, if you knock someone out you are doing sparring very wrong
@@rikgales123 To be fair your average boxer doesn't have a shield , a gauntlet, leather backed chain mail , and their body weight behind a punch.
At this point, Metatron, Shad and Skallagrim should make a club dedicated to correcting Game Theory’s historical blunders.
Miyamoto Musashi is laughing his a-$~$ off in the afterlife watching this guy's video.
@Dux i don't know if he was very famous with the ladies to be honest lol.
He probably was but I don't think he cared at all, like, I read somewhere that he didn't take baths because it would leave him vulnerable to assasination lol
@@cahallo5964 That’s a misconception, all historical record indicated otherwise.
@@turtlesaredifferentfromtor6745 not taking a bath is different from not ever washing yourself, cuz you know, japanese baths are a whole ritual.
The duel wielding segment reminds me of a Zombie airsoft event I went to, I ran out of ammo on my primary so I wipped out my buddies two Webley revolvers with the (rubber) bayonet attachments. The “zombies” did not have a fun time trying to deal with that.
Todd's looking for target Practice volunteers?...
Watch his plumbata video, I think it might be in reference to that
After matpats video, I want to volunteer.
2:49 Nice UBW background right there, Metatron
"He just says what makes sense to him but he has no idea what he's talking about" is the best summary of virtually every game/film theory video and I thank you. His videos on dinosaurs are painful to watch.
First of all, OH MY GOD! You listed literally ALL of the channels that I mentioned on Shad's response to this video from Game Theory!
Second, I've got a question for you, Metatron. I watched your videos about the Netflix series Barbarians, and enjoyed them, but I have a question for you about which Barbarian leader you want them to do next. Arminius is part of a group that I call the Eleven Nightmares of Rome: Brennus, Hannibal, Viriathus, Spartacus, Vercingetorix, Arminius, Boudica, Fritigern, Alaric, Attila, and Geiseric. They've done Arminius now, but if you had to choose from the remaining ten in that Eleven which one you wanted to see them do next, which one would you pick? If I had to pick, I would choose Geiseric, King of the Vandals.
Lets not gang up on him, "shad gives hidden order to toxic fanbase
Geiseric: That's a nice fleet you have there... it would be a shame if someone send a fire ship at it
@@mortenjacobsen5673 We’re not a toxic fanbase. We just want the man to do a hell of a lot more RESEARCH to prevent himself from making outlandish claims that make him look like he doesn’t know anything about whatever he’s talking about.
@@kevinnorwood8782 and thats exactly what happend on another channel that should not be named, when an expert or more made a video response things got dirty. Real toxic. And now they argu about what a fictonal charactet does in a fictional game made by some people who belive history channels vikibgs is an accurate portail. There is an srgument that the shield was the primary weapon when used with a sword, axe, or other, Spears give a diffrent dynamic, but non mention or refrence this
@@kevinnorwood8782 ua-cam.com/video/hNeGypIkaCQ/v-deo.html
I like how there's a sketch of some late nineteenth century dude scrolling past while he talks about William the conqueror.
Oh I love it when everyone takes jabs at MatPat.
The way you casualy say "in case you needed to commit harakiri" caught me off guard.
I was about to comment on something about Filipino traditional martial arts but Metatron just mentioned it. What a beast
Well even taekwondo has double teknuiqes and thats from Korea, kumgang, kung fu also has doubble teknuiqes.
@@mortenjacobsen5673 true but kali/eskrima/Arnis focuses on wielding a weapon in both hands
@@ViincenttB yes but attacks alternate from overhand and the under and from side to side,
@@mortenjacobsen5673 I'm not arguing against your point. I took taekwondo for years and I know that formal WTO taekwondo does not formally incorporate weapons training (only in some schools) unlike FMA that focuses on weapons
@@ViincenttB
True. Our modern practice (I am currently studying under the Cinco Teros style ) of Kali-Arnis focuses on weapons, but the dual wielding sequences also help in the dexterity of using the so-called "empty hand" in parrying/checking/trapping for using single weapons, as well as total empty handed techniques in Dumog and Panuntukan/Suntukan.
Similar in a way to the actual use of the "Hiki-te" (pulling hand) in Karatedo. It's meant to control/seize an opponent, and possibly to break their posture in close quarters.
Sensei Ian Abernathy made good videos on this: m.ua-cam.com/video/1IftIgEvnSc/v-deo.html
I wasn’t going to watch that episode of Game Theory, but then I saw that you and Shad felt the need to correct him. I then had to watch it and and just knew you were going to need to learn him something harsh! So great!
The intro made me laugh like a Eddie Izzard stand-up show!
Ahhh yes Shad opened the party but now it's really heating up
I'm a huge Assassins Creed Fan however even I know not everything they do is historically accurate, the issue is when I play something like Assassins Creed Valhalla I take most things with a pinch of salt, I look up the actual history and drown myself in historically accurate videos/books/audiobooks/even music e.t.c. that's why I believe that the tour modes as well that Assassins Creed do are a way of them going, hey we know we haven't been historically accurate of course with the combat (like origins/valhalla (let's not go there with Odyssey that one still hurts.) shields/weapons/armour.) but they at least give us a historical section to the game where we learn the full history which is awesome. I really find your videos brilliant because I know you understand the meaning of what Assassins Creed (and many TV shows/Movies) are trying to do first and foremost Entertain, I came across someone who would have wanted the for honor combat in this game and I just knew it wouldn't have worked, this game is an Assassins Creed RPG first and foremost and not a reality, I honestly will say however there are moments where history is depicted really well in this game and where the Assassins Creed story comes in. I would however love to see Assassins Creed to revisit Rome in 41CE-69CE (or AD) with the lore of assassins actually stating an assassin murdered Caligula, then you could then follow the assassinations of Claudias/Galba and Vitellius. from 54-69CE(AD) giving us the densely populated city and maybe allowing us to see more Parkour in the games again and maybe hinting to more of the fiction and fact melding together to tell us a sort of historically accurate depiction. I hope we see more in the way of Assassins Creed come back. :) I love when people create fictional stories in historical periods because I know they're not trying to be 100% with everything. :) I will say one thing the knights throughout the world are awful, the fact that you can't even penetrate their defence with a good strike when they're stunned there is a lack of understanding of what a weapon can do in that situation and this is where I dislike the game immensely, any defence you have she can break through even when she's on the floor she's more powerful and can get up, it's ridiculous and difficult where it shouldn't be also she for some reason is a woman and has the strength of bear.
I have to disagree with you when you say that shields aren't very heavy, they are indeed very heavy compared to a pen and a controller.
You got me there lol
You're not making your shields right mate LOL but seriously they usually aren't super heavy, shouldn't be too much heavier than a longsword so maybe 3 or 4 kgs at most
Could probably make a carbonfiber shield that was fairly light weight and still hurt like a beeotch. I think thats what some Riot shields are made from.
@@kaimagnus5760 Jorg Sprave on the slingshot channel made a poly carbonate one iirc
Oof.
Someone really needs to teach Matpat about Phalanx Formations. Gaps wide enough to drive the Empire State Building through aren't tightly packed by any stretch of the words. Though it would be funny seeing them try to lock shields.
When MatPat said that first line I just immediately pictured a Jedi coming down from a spin and slashing with two lightsabers, one immediately following the other. So I was like "oh, no yeah that's straight up nonsense."
Gotta love that cameo to the Sword Cinematic Universe at the start. Feels like when someone mentions Tony Stark in a Thor movie
Me: sees intro...
Also me: “oh THIS is gonna be good!”...
(Popcorn munching sounds) ...(needs more salt)...
Yes!!! 😁😁😁😊😊
A Roman sees Carthage : "Needs more salt"
Why not some butter?
Great video! I'm not super knowledgeable on history, but I do have experience in sport (which isn't completely historically accurate either, but things still apply). Shields pack a lot of force! Even in full armor in a fight, wow when someone starts slamming you with their shield sometimes... I would argue the shield is more important in melee fights than the weapon itself really, it just plain packs more of a punch and force. I also have a teammate that uses dual axes... it's so annoying... in the best way for him. You can hook pieces of armor and weapons and completely disable a person, sometimes for what feels like a lot longer than "temporary". Just to add too, the largest dents in my armor and helmet are from blows from a 2 handed axe.
In a real fight against an armored opponent they should ideally have a hammer of some kind that would be a lot more forceful than a shield.
@@CarrotConsumer Much more forceful. Shield has multiple uses though and is a great weapon as well as defense. Definitely not just a non-offensive item for sure. I think in the sport and what I've done and seen, everything @Metatron says is spot on.
I discovered the sword community thanks to your for honour game theory response videos, and your videos roasting tv katana vs long sword nonsense to me this is nostalgia, I'm here thanks to those videos correcting stuff
I love how they dont usually collaborate but they talk about each other in their videos KNOWING you know who they are (because we’re all in this geek circle together). Best niece community on youtube.
Matt Pat: *Shits on the axe*
Every person that had ever died from an axe : *Looks menacingly*
What I learn from medieval fencing is that buckler is an offensive weapon (take it as a grain of salt). Its so small, nimble and it hurts like hell if you are hit with an edge of a buckler to the chin or nose. Not even talking about seeing shit while enemy is trying to "make you eat" the buckler.
When he said we are back at 2017, i felt that.
I think when Matt was talking about the primary advantage of the axe, he was talking about it in the context of an off hand weapon, rather than as the axe as a whole.
45 seconds in, and I'm subscribed. Great to have a new channel with a nice backlog of interesting videos. :)
You ARE a bold one, to challenge the god of prophecy Mathias Patritoria
Lol
Bahahahahahahaha
Great video! I love the three of your content(you, shad, and Skallagrim.) I also love the fact that you are watching the video and strait responding to it, because it is kind of funny to see the provided images in his video prove him wrong. Great work! Also, when he talks about the wakizashi and katana, I get it, but they used the wakizashi as a backup weapon all the time. They did use it for some rituals, but that definitely confused me and I was glad I found your and shad's videos.
This intro has set new standards.
A fair review as well. Great work!
Hi Metatron. Hope you're doing well man.
As a HEMA fighter for 32+ years (SCA version) I can tell you that striking with two weapons simultaneously is a common tactic for fighting Florentine (yes the Italians are credited with fighting with two weapons at a time). Plus using two axes allows to strike over shields to a degree (about a 6" reach advantage). I have to agree that using two shields at one time is probably not a primary tactic by Norsemen but could be done if no other weapon was at hand because they were bulky and heavy to use, but could be used to effect.
Matt might be a "good guy" though Id argue we dont know him and cant say that for certain. However, if this is indicative of his content in general( which if he's doing it here odds go up that he's doing it on other topics/videos too) then he's become very sloppy, disingenuous, and egotistical( because let's be real it is egotistical to just assume you can speak on topics you clearly know little about and dont care to properly research and then try to pass yourself off as an authority speaking facts and insights) .
Edit: Dont worry I wont go bashing Matt beyond commenting on these critique videos
@@SimuLord The way we know Matt Sprat is going to retire is when he'll write a book about Google analytics. And by then we also know Google is going to shut down their service in around six months.
MatPat had a period, earlier in his career, where his content was thought-provoking and interesting. Maybe not scientifically correct but eh, the games he played with threw physics as we know them right out the window anyway. Then FNAF happened and everything went downhill from there. After that the dude became a trend-chasing sellout that became fixated on clickbait videos.
I'm a science-fiction writer and fan so I feel Metatron and Shadiversity's pain every time MatPat puts out a video on Star Trek and Star Wars. It's just like "are you even trying anymore dude?"
I have left MattPad years ago because there are incidents (more than 1) that people corrected him but he is so defensive and passive-aggressive rejected them. I am not surprised he isn't responding anymore to any critics or people correcting him.
I might not be an expert but here is my thoughts. Ok, dual wielding existed in fancy eastern martial arts. But if it was actually effective, it would have been more widely used. Dual wielding is rediculous since you loose the advantage of your one handed weapon, which is to be able to carry a shield, for pratically 0 benefits. You can no longer protect yourself against arrows and it will be hard to close the gap between you and a polearm or spear. Also, when with duel wielding is duels in martial arts, the opponent is always strangely also duel wielding. You can bet if the opponent had a spear or a shield with another weapon, the duel wielding guy would get destroy. So yeah, if dual wielding was in any way a decent way to fight, people would have done it.
I would like people to correct me if my analysis is incorrect.
@@PacMonster0 I didn't say it made your one handed weapon worse. I just said I said you don't gain as much from that second weapon compared to what you gain from a shield or using a long weapon. You could even put two swords on your belt if you are that scared of losing it while still carrying a shield. Dual wielding martial exists, but Tai Chi also exists since centuries ago and it's a completly bad way to fight. If it was good, MMA fighters would use it since they can fight how they like. In the same way, dual wielding exists, but it's never used on the battlefield where all weapons are allowed because it actually kind of sucks.
@@MichaelDavis-mk4me yeah dual wielding didnt work well...except if the alternative was nothing in the off hand of course.
Or a massive skill difference(miyamoto for example)
But yeah its not like its your first option.
Secondly the thai chi vs. Mma thing.
Yeah modern chinese martial arts are trash.
People conveniently forget mao actively worked to neuter martial arts after the" cultural revolution"
They saw it as a threat to the party but it was too ingrained in chinese culture so they just sporterized everything and heavily promoted this until the original version ceased to exist.
These are real ancient martial arts.
If you really think modern thai chi is the same as the chinese martial arts used on battlefields youre silly
@@PacMonster0 I'm arguing that it is never optimal. I'm arguing that you will always be better off with other techniques. Just because you win the fight does not mean the equipment is good. If I shoot a guy with an M16 with my musket and win the firefight, that does not change the fact that this musket is garbage. Dual wielding was more likely a way to show off how cool you were and intimidate the opponent kind of like how there were naked warriors in history.
@@MichaelDavis-mk4me optimal in what context? It was done all over the world. People used it during duels, if it wasn't "optimal" they would use something else.
You may say "but one-handed weapon and shield is better in a duel" but you forgot that somebody has to carry that shield around the town. Having a parrying dagger is much more convenient. And is probably more useful (at least offensively) than a small buckler.
So yes, having a sword and dagger is optimal for self-defense.
Fancy eastern martial arts, á you say, is more duelling focused, and not a battlefield tactic. Not really no benefits, since you gain better offensive capabilities
Matt: "Dual wielding. No."
Everyone who studies Niten Ichi-ryū: "Hello there."
Matt: " Dual wielding doesn't work"
Miyamoto Musashi would like to know your location
Matpat does video about anything related to a sword.
This whole UA-cam circle:
_no_
Pretty much the slowly maneuvering into combat distance thing applies all the way to the late 19th century, when the capacity to simply destroy a large fraction of the enemy with bolt actions, semi-autos and machineguns meant fighting exposed in formation often became more liability than asset. Of course, move away from the front line and things instantly revert to formations again. Though not as tight ones.
Before watching the whole video I have to say: anyone got a feeling of deja vu?
Edit after watching: Come on Mettatron, you should've also talked about the roman gladiator that he mentiones! And also point out that a sica is not a bloddy SCIMITAR(heck the term scimitar isn't even correct itself)!
I like how Metatron teaches at work, he comes back home and continues teaching. Great video!
The Metaboy has spoken, his words shall smite cringe misinformation.
In video games, even though actual melee tactics are rarely applicable (only in the games that specifically focus on such) the same actually does apply since their systems usually tries to adapt the ideas. Thus, the idea of weapon threat zones as a defense becomes area denial, and judging by how beloved most game weapons in multiplayer games that give you this advantage are, most people understand the appeal of using an offensive tool to deny your enemy freedom when choosing how to engage.
What I'd really love to see more of in games are parrying daggers, they were such a big thing so why are they now entirely forgotten in the digital media?
Great analysis, Metatron. I'm starting to wonder if Matt Patt is making these mistakes for the attention.
Many, many years ago, I was involved in the SCA. After trying a variety of combinations, I found what works best for me was axe and shield... and if you don't think a shield can be an offensive weapon... well, 60+ year old me is still willing to demonstrate the folly of that
I did bohurt fights ,you can knockout man in closed helmet with edge of shield if you are strong enough, I saw that
The funny part is that in the clip he (matpat) shows at 19:19 [of this video], and at 21:38 he says your offensive abilities drop to 0, when he in his own example previously showed the Viking effectively using 2 shields offensively much the same as I would imagine it could be used in real life albeit probably with less spinning than shown in the example.
Just want to correct, that knight at the end is a Teutonic Knight not a member of the Knights of St. John more often known as the Knights hospitaller. The most noticable way to identify this is the cross design used as the cross is not a "Maltese" cross. Though the Teutonic knights are descended from the Hospitallers, they are a separate and more militaristic order.
2 history youtubers down
The Hospitaller in the end really got me, truth to be told. It is fairly easy to spot the difference between a Templar and an Hospitaller... I mean the colour scheme is totally different and even the cross is differently shaped. If you don't know even that, you have no business pontificating about medieval warfare.
The bare minimum, if you are talking about Templars, is to know how they looked.
Sounded like he was ready to throw hands half way in until the very end and then snapped right back to polite and cheery lol
@Metatron, please recommend any books on Japanese history Sengoku and younger. I quite enjoy your videos mate.
Metatron, regarding the whole sword being used defensively, I think a lot would be cleared up for MatPat if we all remember the etymology of the word "Defense."
Sword-fighting in the historical manuals are always called fencing, which is rather curious.
It's derived from the latinate, "defence", while the Romance term for the same word was "scherma" or "escrima" which meant "to shield, cover, or defend."
Capo Ferro in his manual reaffirms this this etymology.
"The aim of fencing is the defense of self, from whence it derives its name; because “to fence” does not mean other than defending oneself, hence it is that 'protection' and 'defense' are words of the same meaning; whence one recognizes the value and the excellence of this discipline is such that everyone should give as much care thereunto, as they love their own life, and the security of their native land, being obligated to spend that lovingly and valorously in the service thereof.
Thence it is also seen that defense is the principal action in fencing, and that no one must proceed to offense, if not by way of legitimate defense."
--Ridolfo Capo Ferro, Gran Simulacro dell'Arte e dell'Uso della Scherma, c. 1610.
Philippo di Vadi echoed a much similar sentiment in his manuscript some 200 years before Capo Ferro.
"If you wish to truly know
If fencing is an art or science
Hark my words, I say.
Ponder this, my statement:
It is a true science and not an art
And Geometry, which divides and separates,
By infinite numbers and measures
And fills her papers with science,
Shows this with its pithy eloquence.
The sword is placed in her care,
So measure blows and steps together
So Science keeps you safe.
From Geometry fencing is born,
And under her it has no end;
And both of them are infinite."
--Philippo di Vadi, De Arte Gladiatoria Dimicandi, c. 1482-1487.
And if we want to get even older, we have MS I.33, or the Walpurgis Fechtbuch, that echoes a similar sentiment.
"Note that the art of fencing is described as follows: Fencing is the ordering of various strikes, and it is divided into seven parts as here."
--MS I.33, c. 1320's.
After that definition of fencing, the priest who wrote the manuscript then goes into the various guard positions, afterwards.
"Seven guards there are, under the arm the first
On the right shoulder the second, the third on the left
To the head give the fourth, to the right side the fifth
To the breast give the sixth, and as the final one have langort."
--MS I.33, c. 1320's.
So after defining what fencing is, which according to the priest that wrote this manuscript, fencing is the ordering of various strikes divided into seven parts, and immediately afterwards, he defines the seven divisions, which are called wards, or GUARD positions.
So we can see a clear etymology that "fencing" literally means using a sword to protect yourself, and the art of scherma, fencing, or escrima is how to use the sword in that endeavor of protecting yourself.
Even this is echoed in Miyamoto Musashi's Book of Five Rings, for goodness sake!
"The true Way of sword fencing is the craft of defeating the enemy in a fight, and nothing other than this."
--Miyamoto Musashi, Book of Five Rings, c. 1643.
Miyamoto Musashi cuts through to the heart of the matter and defines fencing as defeating the enemy in a fight with a sword.
Not only that, clear etymology of the word "fencing" and "defense" show that the original meaning of the word WAS USING A SWORD TO PROTECT YOURSELF.
MatPat needs to slow down, and think things through and ask questions from more knowledgeable people. There's clear history of where the word defense comes from, and fencing back then was understood as protecting yourself with a sword.
"He just imagines a scenario, and says whatever makes sense to him, but it's nonsense."
Dear god, the relevance of that statement...🤣🤣🤣
Just finished Shads video. And the whole time I kept thinking about the katana, wakazashi forms I've been practicing for years.
I really wonder how matpat's "reaserch" looked. Bc it kind of looks like he read a few articles and made up the rest with what he learned from video games and fantasy books