you know you were in a good lobby when after hours of playing the same people, someone would go "aight guys its been good im done for today" and everyone would say goodbye and there was a sense of community. ahhh the good ole day
The community is what I miss the most. I don't think disbanding lobbies is responsible for the demise of the community though. I feel like the community died years ago when we split off into fans of Treyarch and fans of IW. After years of relative consistency from one CoD to the next we entered the Advanced movement era where what you got fro. One CoD to next was anyone's guess. You'd get used to one thing only to have it removed the next year and then return a year after that. It's ridiculous
Me personally, I liked how in black ops 1 you had like a cod money system and you just bought what you wanted and could afford at the time. Camos also were paid for buy this money system and you could even buy a gold camo for more. However if you wanted to unlock a pro version of a perk you had to do challenges. super simple and casual. Also when you prestige you keep your money but everything else resets. My fav system by far.
Yep. I really hate how camos work in newer cods. Forcing us to grind with guns we really don't want to be using and some of the camo challenges are outright ridiculous. I'd rather it be time put into the weapon or reach one of the last prestige tiers rather than "do x amount of x for each category"
@@charizard9735 there is a reason they are called mastery camos... it's not for everyone, if it would be easy to get them then that would make no sense, and if you complain about playing with every weapon then you are just complete dogshit, cause the whole point is in enjoying the full game using everything it has to offer, not just playing the same weapon the whole time and then pretending you are some awesome pro player just cause you have a camo wich you paid for with cod points or earned by using the best weapon in the game all the time. Thats why the modern camo system is superior cause it actually needs you to show off your skill in every aspect of the game, not just camping with the best rifle.
I think the older CoD’s charm was much more than just nostalgia. I would gladly take back some of the inconsistencies the older games had (migrating hosts/balance issues/OP killstreaks) over the crushingly anti-player consistencies these newer games have (Strict SBMM/seasons/focus on metrics over actual player feedback). The difference between the old CoDs and new CoDs is that the stuff that pissed us off in the older CoDs were all honest mistakes/oversights by developers who actually cared about making the best possible game in-spite of the technical limitations of the time period, where as the stuff that piss us off in these new ones are completely by design and the ones that are legitimate oversights often don’t even get addressed in a timely manner, DESPITE the fact that patches nowadays are the norm.
Very good point all around - but what I wanted to throw in was, I honestly started to to not mind host migrations as much after a while because it was almost always someone rage quitting and it was hilarious when you'd kill someone, only for a host migration to all of a sudden happen shortly after. Oh and also now, when the store has a bug? - INSTANT FIX - game has a bug? - we'll say we're working on it and eventually add a fix but only during a major update because we're really working on more microtransactions
Industry yes but community no. There were still people uploading best class setups, line of sight videos, capture point videos, glitch videos etc. The MW2 OMA spam really took off because Wings uploaded a video requesting it to be patched to Machinima. Videos showing how to do the care package glitch, derail elevator, javelin glitch etc. The community has always been full of "tryhards" but you didn't notice it as much because they weren't being forced into your games. There was like a 85% chance any lobby you got into in BO1 was going to have a bunch of people running Ghost, Second Chance and a FAMAS or AK-74u with rapid fire. MW2 was filled with people just running SoH, Stopping Power and Ninja. This stuff didn't just happen by chance.
@@N7Null I respect what you're saying. I think the industry and community go hand in hand though. There was always try hards, yes, but never to this level. Everyone and their mom is streaming and trying to make gaming more than a hobby, entering tournaments etc. (Even casual ones). So although I mostly agree with you, to say the community and it's goals haven't changed at all I don't think is entirely accurate. Just my opinion though. The Industry (and media) and where it is encourages the changes we see in the community.
@@GordonFreeman-n Well, nowadays it’s much easier to do and understand. I wouldn’t say everyone now wants to do those things… they/we always have but now we have the knowledge to do so.
The graphics and audio have obviously improved since mw19 but the last 3 cods have not been enjoyable to play. I think the biggest issues are the increased sbmm and disbanding lobbies.
I wish they kept the lobbies together also. We'd get on and play all damn night people would come and go but there was always like 4-8 people that would stay and me n one other would fight for the top score 😭 shit doesn't happen like that anymore bruh it's sad.
Take out SBMM and up the ttk a bit and MW2 would feel the most like an older COD imo. The SBMM has taken out some of the craziness from older lobbies. In the more recent, the speed seemed to be turbo boosted faster than older CODs. MW2 feels a click slower in pacing but with the removal of slide cancelling, if they did away with SBMM it would feel much more like older CODs. I don't hate SBMM but it can make the game more tedious than it's worth at times. I think nostalgia is almost as strong of a drug as an actual one because everyone only remembers the good stuff while forgetting the stuff that was bitched about for the respective games.
The nostalgia is there because older titles were better. Maps were better, connection was prioritized, and most importantly developers listened to the fans. They have destroyed the social aspect of the game with sbmm, lobby splitting, and removal of scoreboards. I remember playing BO3 and running into some of my favorite youtubers at the time. The majority of my friends on console are from previous cod games. Making friends on COD is a thing of the past because of the disbanding of lobbies.
@@Skrenja They used to. Back in the day games couldn’t be modified on the spot as they can be today. For example many complaints with Black Ops 1 were fixed in Black Ops 2. Things such as Ghost being fixed to only hide you on the map while moving and getting rid of 2nd chance. These newer titles such as MW 2022 are bringing back the problems that were fixed many years ago. It’s like the devs have never played COD before.
SBMM should be adjusted but it removes pub stomping. Maps were decent but no lol newer cods have more balanced maps they're just boring because there's no funny exploits. Connection especially MW Mw2 BO1 AND Bo2 was shitty host reliant systems . This is Def nastolgia talking
@@Ash12428 yeah pub stomping is pretty bad that's just baby feeding yourself easy kills because you can't compete with your true skill equivalent players. The game is more balanced for everyone's experience getting paired up with your skill base is healthy for matches. That being said to appease all players we should have Un ranked and ranked playlists where the only difference is skill based match making is either turned on or off
They were legitimately better. Simpler mechanics means more focused gameplay AND more accessible gameplay. More room for a casual experience AND competitive experience. It also helps that maps were more creative. After BO2, Treyarch spearheaded this aggressive “every map feels the same” 3 lane map design. There’s no experimental, interesting or complex maps anymore.
Black Ops 3 completely changed CoD because it introduced something that fuels all of Activision's MTX schemes; FOMO. Fear of missing out. The idea of turning the game into a second job to "earn" stuff, getting people to play with others with the weapon bribe victories and having items that may never appear again earned them a LOT of money, and also, caused a lot of stress. It also had an aggressive SBMM that people forget about since it's been so long.
That was AW, along with other games at the time getting into it. I don’t think bo3 had it that badly. Most of the actual good stuff you had to pay/gamble for came fairly late into the life cycle of bo3. That game did way more good than bad
I've been playing Call of Duty since 03 and the medal of honours before that so I think I can say on behalf of the entire OG cod player base it's not nostalgia the games were just simply better
@@KevinoftheCosmos exactly. i base better on how revolutionary certain game generations were. think back to ps2 and ps3 era......the games, exclusives we just next level. werent just a bunch of remakes and the creativity was on another level. the ps4 xbox 1 gen.......was pretty lame esp with FPS games like cod and battlefield.
@@KevinoftheCosmos there's a reason people remember those old campaigns, those old beach storming missions on medal of honor. ya the graphics sucked compared to now, but the games had better stories. price for example is a legend as is master cheif.....what legend came from ps4 era? lol
Great vid Ace. For me it's never been about how "good" the game is. It's always about how much FUN I have playing it and I just had more fun with older games.
It might be weird but I base how good a cod game is on the campaign because that’s the part of the game you’ll be able to go back and revisit even when the servers are dead. Cod 3, COD2 BR1, WAW, WW2 and the 2 new modern warfare games are some of the best to me. From a multiplayer standpoint the newer ones are better just because gameplay is smoother and more fleshed out.
Man I miss MW3... I was top 1000 ranked in the world on that game in SnD. I loved lobby leaderboards because everyone would tell me how much of a sweaty no lifer I was XD
It’s not about the nostalgia. It’s the way the golden era games played and handled. The classic prestige system was awesome. The mechanics were a lot more simple /barebones and that made the gameplay amazing. I hope they remaster more like they did with cod 4 . It was a decent remaster it could have been better .
The "launch with a promise of more" is unfortunately not an issue exclusively with the COD franchise. This is an issue across the board with new games. Old games definitely felt more complete than new games do on launch. Hell many new games these days don't only just launch fewling incomplete on the content level, but on the playability level as well. We can only hope this goes back to the way it used to be in the future.
I’m late to the party on this but I genuinely think it was because both IW and Treyarch started their own franchise from Cod 4 being the start of MW and WAW being the start of the Black Ops franchises. From 2007 to 2012 we stuck within those two, we were used to the story lines and the way the games played. in 2013, IW had to start over, create a new franchise, and IMO i think they did a great job with Ghosts. Campaign was great, very very simple but great. I for one, loved multiplayer but I know the majority didn’t, mostly I think because it was a big change in kill streaks, guns, and maps. After that, Sledgehammer comes into the fold with AW, another NEW game with even more changes. Was received… okay? I guess? but again it was another new franchise that everyone had to get used to. People don’t like change, we love nostalgia and having to say goodbye to MW and Black Ops at the time for 2-3 years until BO3, which was received WELL. We all loved that game because we knew black ops. I think it was just the fact that newer CODs never were given a chance to build a franchise because of all the history it was built upon
Map design in the older COD was soooo much better. When the best maps in modern COD are remade maps from 10+ years ago, you know something's gone wrong.
Nostalgia is so strong, but you made great points. I agree with pretty much everything you said. I personally count CoD4 and MW2 as my all-time favorites. OG Infinity Ward knew what they were doing. Current IW is still the better CoD studio IMO. My question is; why did they never continue with releasing remastered CoDs? I absolutely LOVED playing the remastered CoD4 (aside from the addition of loot boxes). Then the MW2 remaster leaked on some foreign retail website and there was an uproar about them selling campaign and multiplayer separately? I figure it will never be released now since they don’t want any thunder stolen from the MW reboot/remake. Still, very sad.
Since I have been playing online I have noticed the online community as a whole will complain about everything and anything. Ultimately if a person likes a game and enjoys playing it then who actually cares what anyone else thinks? That includes so called "infulencers", streamers, professional players, content creators, etc. Play whatever you like and play it however you like. I've had people in chat complain about how I play games and yet I never see them offer to buy me any games so I can play it they way they determine I am supposed to play.
I think if you released modern warfare 2 but remastered the graphics and added the quality of life setting from the newer games it would be a massive success. To be fair I think they did simplify the gameplay in modern warfare 2 remastered but obviously not to the degree I'm talking about here. There was something magic about how finely tuned those old games were. They did one or two things but they did them incredibly well.
After snapping the MW19 disk out of frustration in January 2020, I reinstalled WW2 and MW2 OG. The amount of fun I had on those games was untouchable by this crap Activision is putting out now
The “pick 10” from BO2 was the best for really making hard choices with your class and weapon. Also, I really miss taking the time to make my own profile card in BO2 😢 And yes, maps were better. Simpler and better.
Order cods the devs had more budget to make content. New cods they pull devs away from map design and side modes in order to have them code monetization features like battle pass cosmetics, dances for characters to do, then they gotta design a win screen where your character is visible so people want to purchase the cosmetics in the first place etc etc. it pulls away from dev time but brings in more profit. Only reason older cods didn’t have this is because game studios didn’t yet know that this model was in Super profitable. Back then the games profit model was to be fun so people would buy the game and the dlc, not spend money on micro transactions because they had none. Just my 2 cents
6:02 I HATE the grind. Prestige, weapon levels, camo challenges, etc. I have infinitely more fun in these games AFTER the grind is done. If the grind takes too long, it ruins my enthusiasm for the game, and I end up quitting it early. Fewer things to grind will greatly enhance these games for me. 7:02 I completely agree about 2x XP. It shouldn't count down unless we're in game.
Modern warfare two was my first game and I’ve been waiting all these years for a remake so this year I’m really excited but yes I would definitely play modern warfare2 2009 all the time again
Honestly... Some of these newer CoD games would be just as fun as the older ones if sbmm wasn't a thing. That along with persistent lobbies too. The fun of the old games was every game was a toss up almost. You could either stomp or be stomped. And if you got stomped, you can go back for more and try and win. That was a big part of the soul of the game for me... And it's missing now.
16:37 Im sure for the most part this would be an accurate statement for most people. Releasing an upscaled version of OG mw2 or bo2 would prob not take as well for the community. For me personally, I miss the simplicity of older cods. There is a reason why little 15 year old me played black ops 2 every day of its life cycle and even in to the ghosts life cycle. It was just pure fun. It was a game made for the consumer with people who still had the passion for making a good cod game. I do not feel even 1/10th of the joy playing modern cod games, they feel like a chore to enjoy most notably because of SBMM since Im no longer aware if Im even good at the game now. I miss being able to have several good games in a row because I was just above average compared to others in the lobby. Im tired of playing against jev and scump and other non-grass touchers just so that I can cling to the potential of a 1.0 k/d
MW1, MW2, BO1 and BO2 were King. The only good newer games I would sady were BO3 and Cold War to some extent (lack of staying in lobbies post-match, SBMM, spawns and lack of map support dragged this game down a bit unfortunately).
I'll never have the same experiences WaW and BO1-BO3 gave me, same with MW2 and MW3 and I acknowledge that. But I just never thought that these newer CODs would be so far off from them. Maybe certain factors can change that, as well. Like it's no longer me coming home from school and playing a Campaign mission or 2 then switching to MP with friends; Friends who are now super busy with jobs. But at the same time the experiences I would have playing MP solo back then are far different than now. Now I maybe play 3 games by myself before being worn out from the frustration with how the new ones play, meanwhile back in the day I could play for hours by myself. I definitely believe with the rise of people trying to be COD UA-camrs and Streamers, and Esports too, it definitely made the games 10x sweatier and it shows, not just cause of SBMM either but that certainly really throws it in your face more than ever. It's really hard to play casually anymore because every pub game is filled with people playing in an imaginary million dollar tournament or there are kids trying to get their next 30 kill-streak gameplay footage for their 57 subscriber channel. It just won't ever be the same, not even close. You can accept that and still play it for what it is, or accept it and move on. That's the best course of action rather than trying to force it to bring back the good old days.
World at War and BO1 were on another level. All aspects of those games were great. Multiplayer, Campaign and Zombies. They still have active communities on PC and you can plug in a PS3 or XBOX 360 controller to play on steam. Just activate controller input in steam options.
i also feel it's half the community half the developers, about a week ago i played my first match of warzone ever and the amount of try hard people using special controllers or buying monstrous pcs to have 0.1% better FOV or FPS is astounding. Games are less fun because the player base has become less fun and they treat every game as a e-sport event. I started playing BO2 again and let me tell you it's amazing just because people are trying to have fun, people running around doing quick scoping or just a pistol or just a knife.
The persistent lobbies are BY FAR what I miss the most. It was so fun to go game to game with the same players. It’s always such a buzzkill to have all this great trash talk get cut off at the end of a game in MW2.
To me new cod gameplay is much better. It’s beautiful. It feels solid playing the new games. It’s just the way people play these games have changed. Us older players don’t play the same as these new kids. I think that’s where some people get lost in nostalgia
waw is a great single player but didnt try the multiplayer due to having no internet access amd thats the only game that hook me into wtaching tones of soviet documentry
The nostalgia argument has always fallen flat and isn't an argument. We all know those games were great and better than most games today. The populations were greater, population retention was stronger, SBMM handled intelligently and not so strict like today, way more people talked to each on their mics, actual lobbies, social experience, you paid $60 and got a complete package with no slimy battle passes and mtx. They were games to be played and not products to be consumed. Those days are over for the most part.
To be honest, it is the matchmaking that makes the games frustrating, the new mw2 is good, i like it but cant have fun most of the times as every lobby feels too competitive. Thats why i only play ranked now, if every lobby feels like a league match than at least im playing it without the broken stuff.
To me I liked Black Ops 4 the most(I started WW2). I liked that characters had different abilities. Also think we all agree we preferred the old match making. Then I could get stopped then have a 20kd game. Now every round is fairly similar. Also the servers suck. MW2 for me is basically not playable during peak hours. My latency will be 80-100 if I try to play then. But yet Fortnite is in the 20s at that time.
I believe quite simply we were teenagers, everything seemed new and fresh, and had a fuck ton of time to waste on videogames. After almost 20 years of annual releases it's obvious you are gonna get tired and the fun will end. Mechanically, and balance wise, a lot of the choices in the old CODs are just horrendous. The quality of the post launch content was better, yes, but we were paying A LOT of money for a complete game....every year! I mean, I think that if we have gotten the same MW2019 (obviously with the graphics of the time) in, like, 2010, we would behold it as one of the greatest cod ever and bla bla bla.
I always agree with all your opinions about Cod🤣👌 I feel exactly the same. About that calling card & emblem stuff. Also, sooo true🤣 I remember I completed a challenge where I had to make sure to kill 5 people with 1 predator missile, and then you got a pretty sick Tiger emblem. Was so proud to use that emblem. Exactly like you said. To show people what you achieved.
I agree 100%. My first real cod was bo3, some would argue this was already a "weaker" entry in the series but I still loved it and I also loved bo4 but from then on it got worse imo. Something about this new mw engine just does not sit right with me. Also they do everything to protect new players on the expense of the "veterans" or players like me that just joined recently but just liked the older system better. I really hope the microsoft takeover changes something in the future.
I personally think older cods were better than newer cods mainly due to them being full games at release and not like they are now where they drip feed stuff.
I would say no. I am recently playing the Black Ops franchise as I never played them before. I'm starting with World at War and going through until I get to Black Ops 4. And so far they have been much better and entertaining games than something like Vanguard or Cold War. I also did the da e with Uncharted, and I think the Uncharted games are so much better than the stuff we get today. Don't get me wrong there are good games today, but a lot of games just are made as well as they used to be
The games were more fun because players were more fun. Most things about newer cods is generally better except the killstreaks & SBMM and that’s the result of balancing. Most players are generally just try hards meta gun users. I’ve played enough to keep up easily but I can see how casuals can’t keep up with them and it sucks getting stomped in cod it always has it just happens more often now than before. Edit: atmosphere for modern warfare has never been better but every other era has lacked in ambiance
Warning this rant is based on opinion and off my experience as a series veteran since cod4, The biggest negative of the newer games is the advanced movement for me, I cannot stand all the jumping and sliding every single clip I watch is just sweaties "breaking cameras" and spamming the jump button on the back of their scuf controllers. It's not fun for me anymore and I moved on to more grounded and competitive titles. (I say that list bit because spam jumping isn't competitive or grounded at all.) Overall the improvements are great I liked the mw2019 gunplay a lot till warzone dropped and everyone just started spam jumping. AW permanently changed the face of cod negatively with how they added advanced movement and you can't change my mind. BO2 had horrid netcode but holy fuck people actually stood and shot each other instead of jumping around corners at mach 7. I really like games that punish you for spamming the jump button with accuracy hits, that's why cs will forever be the goat. Jumping is for utility it's not a win button.
People got to understand cod really can be good in modern times lol. Imo Cold War is a pretty good game or atleast it’s fun. Don’t get me wrong the older games really are amazing and are masterpieces but people need to look forward and realize cod will never be the same again.
Disbanding lobbies is just bad for replay in my opinion. New COD is always trying something new and we always don't need something new sometimes bringing back what you had was nice. Maybe we can still do SBMM but not after every match. Maybe every time you que it tries to match you with similar players. Not constantly updating after every match. SnD is much nicer playing against the same people.
Edit: I wrote that halfway through the video new CoDs have good quality of life but they're trying to do too much and in that they can't do basic things well. Trying to make all players happy leaves many behind.
No one takes seriously how tryhards nowdays impact the game, they ruin everything fun “they want to be pros or streamers” Lobbies where so much skill varied The amount of tryhards have increased alot in every single game in the last 10 years
I don’t care if the people I play are better than me or professionals. Pair me up with the first 11 guys to enter a lobby with me. SBMM made everything worse.
With all these new settings the games are more broken than ever, SBMM, OEMM and everything fucks it up for me… Even in ranked i have to play against my skill and not my rang, y the heck am i playing ranked than?
Those were all my faves as well. MW2019 really wasn't that bad but compared to perks, gun selection, maps, and game modes it falls flat compared to older CODS. Warzone was a big change though and overall a W.
I agree mostly but I honestly never really enjoyed MW2. The Game was never patched and despite what most people say, I have always held the same belief of Multiplayer Video Games, that balance is a HUGE part of why I like MP Gaming and MW2 was simply too broken imo and thus I barely played it and enjoyed it much. Yes, Cod4 had M16/Stopping Power, Waw had MP40/Stopping Power and MW3 had shit like Dead Man's Hand (as seen in the video multiple times actually lol) but MW2 had an unimaginable amount of issues like all the Deathstreaks MW3 had but also knifing was broken and MW2 had Perks like Danger Close, Stopping Power, Commando and of course... One Man Army, also Explosives by themselves were broken as shit and you could get a Nuke with other Streaks, rather than all Gun KIlls, plus there were tons of bugs at launch like the Infinite Care Package Glitch by climbing up one whilst throwing it or something, and balance was all kinda wack, the last Assault Rifle, the F2000 was one of the worst guns in the game and that's only like a fraction of the issues. Idk, I just feel like MW2 was the perfect storm of issues at launch just enough to where it was too much and had more issues than any other COD, but also wasn't as uninspired feeling as newer COD Games are, but I still feel MW2 is highly overrated.
@@DeadSpacedOut I agree with what you said, but the game did undeniably have a very solid identity and style. It’s just sad that people find the most broken strategies and exploit them.
@@DeadSpacedOut everything was viable in mw2 because everything was broken. The game was fun because it wasn’t meant to be taken seriously like all these mlg faze kids do now. It was just pure chaos and casual fun. And getting a nuke with other streaks is probably the best design decision ever lol. Because it’s fun. Anybody can go for a nuke any game and it gives the game so much replay value.
I have noticed that while the graphics are getting better it's definitely harder to see campers. The advances in shadows and lighting effects make a lot of scenarios really bright and others really dark. Granted I am getting older and everyone else seems to just get better.
thats why people like my friends and I who don't care how games look and just wanna win play most of our games on lower settings, especially shadow and lighting settings, because the games runs better and you can see players much better and this applies to almost every game nowadays, playing on higher graphics just puts you at a disadvantage
@@Logan-dk8of yeah and there are we in the same lobby where i just want to play 3-4 games to relax after study or work and get anhilated by your kind thanks to sbmm
Haven't had so much fun in a Call of Duty in a while until I went back to Black Ops 1 on Plutonium and played the original maps with the old guns. Not so much with BO2 because even though the game was viewed as the best COD game, I was still so-so on the game for multiplayer. I was more for MW3 than BO2
@@94nolo MW3 was a modern warfare game that I felt could not be matched, it took what made MW2 enjoyable and expanded upon it, but what people from MW2 didn't like was the fact that MW3 had One Man Army removed and the Model 1887 severely nerfed after the akimbo shotgun sniping that occured in MW2. BO3 was amazing and is one of the best modern COD games of the last seven years and one of the best COD games to be released for the PS4 with WW2 behind it (not Launch day WW2 but post patch, post rework version). The later version of WW2 was much better compared to what I heard about the game when it first launched.
Yep, I've been having an absolute blast on PC playing MW1, WAW, MW2, BO1, BO2, even Ghosts. All these games are so much fun even to this day and I've been playing them more than anything else recently even
I just miss the lobby staying after a game, getting to learn the playstyle of specific people in the lobby and find a useful counter to that, that was my favorite part of playing call of duty and I dearly miss it
@@justsaying993 Yh man like if I got shat on by someone back in the day I wouldn’t rage quit, I’d stay in the lobby and try get back at him, that’s clearly been lost recently
As a CoD player since ‘07 it’s honestly not just nostalgia. The games were simply better you could tell the developers put their love into them. Also, Black Ops 1 still has the best Combat Record in CoD history.
@@SkateClipsAndTips Black Ops 1 Gold Camo on the AK-47 is enough to make a 3 year old, grow facial hair, that's the power of it's beauty... also, Bo1 had some of the best maps, weapon balance and variety, i think Bo1's MP is THE masterclass in how an mp experience should be built, perfection.
I like that the older cods had a bigger variety of maps and they took more risks with map layouts and each one had a unique look and many of them had a cool feature or landmark in each map
That makes no sense it’s the complete opposite… The old mats were all pretty much the same and in the new one they’re all completely different. You guys just say stuff just to say stuff
I really miss no disbanding lobbies and being able to play with my friends without feeling bad about pulling them up to my skill level. Map voting… Oh my god that system is so simple yet amazing. Also the endless grind for customization. I reached level 70 prestige 10 on MW2 and still did not have everything which I loved! The one major thing I give the modern games though is how good aiming feels. Aiming feels so good in the new games and if we could just get the old games with the new aiming systems I would be so happy
I dont blame that opinion but imo the games nowadays are way less skillbased when it comes to aiming, its like dynamic and rotational aim assist were just taken to the moon, in fact in some skill ranges you dont have the ability to miss 1 single shot… compared with pay to win dark skins, fucked up spawns and stairglitching its not even skill based anymore, its all about timing you have and who isnt running into a gunfight, in older cods you could react, you could have missed shots because the aim assist werent that strong, compared to sprint to fire and all that with 10000 different attachements…. They can add dead zones and horizontal and vertikal Stick sensivity and in ads sens but nothing more you need nowadays….
The older cods had the FUN factor, dont get it twisted you can have fun in the newer games too but with how they handle matchmaking and how much consistency theyve lost overtime you're more likely to get frustrated more than have fun as opposed to before
Yeah I agree. I personally prefer the newer games because of the movement mechanics, customisation, aesthetics and like ace said, being able to tune the settings to your liking and free dlc. However I'd be lying if I said matchmaking in the newer ones is irritating. Having a good game feels shooting yourself in the foot. Newer cod has become a bit too competitive and I miss the feeling of being able to relax while playing
my favorite thing about some of the cods specifically bo1 and 2 were the custom emblems i like sitting in a lobby looking at other peoples creatives emblems but some people had to ruin it
@@Skrenja Older cods had better matchmaking, much better map design, way more content at launch,way better campaigns, better weapon balancing, way less buggy at luanch(unlike newer cods),better prestige & overall progression system, better camo grinds, no microtransactions or dogshit battlepasses(which ruined progression in cod)
@@jfc6132 older CoDs games weren’t more balanced. MW2 was a bit balanced because of all the guns being op, but the F200 was nothing compared to the ACR for example. CoD4 had weaker balancing as well (MP44 was useless compared to the AK-47, G36C was quite bad compared to the M4A1/M4 Carbine).
I really felt every point you made in this video lol, as someone who’s just recently gone from MWR to MW19 I’ve noticed these things massively, like the point you made about people being easier to spot on the old games, in MWR if someone shoots me…I can normally tell where about it came from and play accordingly, but MW19 I find myself having to avoid entire areas of a map because I get dropped by someone I couldn’t see and when your camera turns towards where you’re shot from there are near endless places they could be hidden…like a window above a pile of rubble and a bush with a door just beside them and you’re just left wondering where tf the person shot you from, this is only made worse by the new mini map system that functions soooo much worse than the og cod mini map that was simple, but effective!
Modern Warfare [CoD 4] Remastered was so good. The ONLY thing I disliked was how some of the weapon kits were way to similar to the earned challenge camos (there were weapon kits that made the weapon look gold).
MW2019 was fine, the visibility was never an issue for me, no idea why. Maybe it's because I don't just set the settings all the way up, because they don't need to be.
Spot on, Ace. While the newer games have definitely brought some unique and appreciated additions, there's just something about them that makes them feel less inviting. You kind of touched on it in the XP token segment. It just feels like now, it's all about the data: player retention numbers, revenue from microtransactions, etc. Back then, it felt more, I don't know, welcoming. The game was only concerned with making sure you were having fun.
Also how many years in a row can the same basic game style be enjoyable? I like the game but my playtime has gone down exponentially over the years . BO2 was the peak for me
Honestly I feel like the “fun” factor slowly diminished over the years. In the older games you can see and feel the effort and passion that was put into them. Unfortunately it doesn’t scratch that same itch as it used to previously. The games now feel rushed and incomplete and this applies for most recent video games as well not just COD.
They feel incomplete because they can get away with it. “Live service” is their safeguard. It’s no longer “with this game we put forth all of our best efforts and it was a collective experience to bring this new installment ready to go day one for you. 🙏” Now it’s “well we got whatever we got done mostly finished. It’s not the whole thing but here it is. We’ll add the rest in later because fuck it, we gotta make updates anyway.”
@@danieldanielson2324 Agreed. The issue is with current CoDs is that they rush the games out with little content, like 8-9 maps on launch, then rectify it saying "Content is free!" They already have your money, why would they put effort into making new maps and content when that gives them no money? All of their effort these days goes into their $24 bundles. You can tell everything around the games these days, from adding operators everywhere and a creating a free to play battle royale, that their main objective is getting people to buy these $24 flashy skins since that makes profit. I think it's natural that, by human nature, people will eventually get tired of the "live service" and predatory FOMO service the game industry has right now and we'll move back to paid, but quality, content. Until then, it's up to people individually to scope the world out for completed games. To find the good games, avoid games with these things: "live service," "early access," and any type of micro-transactions (cosmetic or not). Think about all the great games in the past and present and you'll realize none of them have any of those things.
@@TheSpiderComix they made a killing by taking away content and features and then reintroducing it as something that is purchasable or for the ploy of “oh here’s some new content for you” For example, CW adding back a crossbow wasn’t NEW content! We’ve seen it before! These devs make bad game decisions, get flamed for it, rectify it later with an update and get praised???? Why are they getting praised for putting out a fire they started? And these skins are literal free money. They probably pay for artists to devise something then make a dev create it. As long as it doesn’t have a dick, titties or a swasticka, it’s all on board to add. Who cares about paying respect to a time period like i don’t know, World War 2?!
Back in the day, we got more maps and better quality maps than we do now. We got to vote which maps we want to play and whether we continue to play with same people we played in the last match. Also skill based matchmaking was no way near as bad as it is now. Before i used to play lobbies filled with my country men in UK. Now i get players across europe as far as Germany and Poland just for the sake to match my skill level which means higher ping and swet. I am a seasonal COD gamer and this year is the first time since 2007 that i stopped playing COD. What a ride it has been though. So many good memories. Its sad to see COD franchise has gotten so regressive and poor.
Feel the same, I quit a little before you (Few months into Black Ops: CW). The franchise for me has lost it's fun and addictive sense of feeling, more importantly in a lot of ways lost the community we once had. The game I fell in love with all those years ago just doesn't exist anymore, which to be honest hurts.
@@The_MEMEphis yeah MW19 maps were ass to. Cod4 and MW2 maps especially had a bunch of spawn exploits and glitches areas. BO1 had some interesting and fun maps but just had camp friendly spots with minimal counter play to them. BO2 and BO3 had a bunch of 3 lanes.
Its interesting how the pros of the new games are mostly technical things (graphics, sound, dedicated servers, etc.) but for the old games they were more gameplay and progression mechanics.
I agree. The things that are basically guaranteed to improve with time, like graphics, obviously improved. The things that matter more though, like how fun things are, and are not a given, have almost universally gotten worse.
Baffling how Activision can't seem to combine the strengths of old cod to these new games. They would make even more money if they actually listened to the community
I certainly enjoyed many of the older CoDs more than the newer ones, all at their respective times. It seems like the older ones had some soul in them, while the newer ones are just prosaic, uninspired, data-driven tosh.
I’d say he also forgot to talk about older cods having open mics forcing voicechat with the widest variety of people. Newer cods, people don’t use mics much or there are playing with their friends in discord/party chat. This feature made trash talking or just meeting funny people always a awesome, having a chance of a night being crazy fun.
@@TDM_ i mean, people talk less because most console players don’t use headphones. its just a change in culture. i have my mic turned off, but its turned off on my whole xbox, not COD
@@lakthederg not true what? Theres a ton of sweaty people using surround sound headphones esp on mw2 the footsteps are so damn clear idk people are just always in parties and discord
Biggest point of yours I agree with are the maps. Old CoD maps were so much more interesting and varied from map to map than current CoD games. There is a reason they bring back remakes of old maps in every single new CoD title, the maps were just plain better.
New cod maps are way too streamlined and super uninteresting to play on. Sadly cod players are now conditioned to playing those types of maps now if MW2019 is anything to go off on.
This one thing I can definitely say is better with the old CoDs. Maps being free also makes them feel like… less effort is put into them compared to before where maps HAD to be good to entice people to continue buying map packs. Free maps is better for everyone since we all can experience them but paid maps were of better quality it seems.
@@b__w_4565 My point was how added maps tend to have been better when they were paid for than the free maps we get today (at least in my opinion). Nothing to do with base maps.
I also like the factions in the older games. Having simple characters teams like Seals vs Spetnaz helped define character visibility. I think new cod suffer the most from this especially Vanguard
And immersion. The 'throwing a flashbang' and 'cover me I'm reloading' quips in english, russian, and other languages made it immersive. Instead of 'gay woman German' calling herself a 'badass' during the game. Give me a break...
Good god, I cannot tell you how many times I've been killed because an ally is directly behind an enemy somewhere and their name tag prevents me from realising that. This Operator cosmetic haven they've created was at least tolerable when there were two overall factions. Now I have to work if I'm shooting the right Snoop Dogg or not.
Old games were simple, kinda like the early days of warzone. There wasn’t so many things going on at once. Also the old games, you could play them without sweating your balls off. Don’t get me wrong I love being competitive at times when I need to, like a 1v6 clutch on S&D. But SBMM makes it so EVERY gun fight and every match is a sweat fest
Bro you didn't just compare warzone to old cod games 🫣 warzone is a over competitive sweat fest battle royal is what has killed cod off you could've at least said black out at least there wasn't so many try hards on black out lots of people messing around funny moments in the game play
@@N_W677 I literally said the early days of warzone were like the old games, when people weren’t so sweaty and everyone was naive and didn’t follow the 1 meta gun in the game
I feel like if they fix SBMM and added the old prestige systems back in and kept the way they do maps and guns being added it would be the best of both worlds
Here's something that might not be huge deal but something I find better in old COD games before selling skins/ micro transactions became a big thing. In multiplayer both teams used to look very different from each other which made them more recognizable and easier to detect, I remember in Black Ops 1 players even used too look different depending on what gun they used almost like classes so you easily knew what you were up against, I liked that. Also some of the historical settings looked more authentic which I liked, especially the older WW2 COD games. All armies looked like their real world counterpart. No weird character / weapon skins and no laser guns in WW2 like we get now. ( I realize most people probably don't care about this tho)
It was actually what you picked as your blue perk that changed your character model. Ghost users would have a Ghillie suit, Flak Jacket would give you armor, Scavenger gave you a hat, and I don't remember what hardline and lightweight gave you, since everyone stopped using hardline after the first nerf to it, and no one used lightweight at all.
You're right I was thinking about the original MW2 (2009). In MW2 the character models changed depending on what your main weapons was. -The snipers had Ghillie suits. -LMG users were bigger and builkier. -Riotshield users had riotgear on. -AR, SMG, and Shotgun users had slight changes like different helmets and face masks. What's even more impressive is that they did this for every faction in MW2 multiplayer. Even some of the factions camouflage changed depending if it was a snow/desert/woodland map. MW3 did the same thing but it didn't have as many character variations as MW2 if I remember correctly.
@@Majora1988 True, now that you mention it I think all the weapons changed the look of the character model in some way in that game too if I remember correctly. I remember SMG users having masks on in COD 4.
Unless I missed it, I am shocked that you didn’t mention Scorestreaks vs Killstreaks and the horrendous Cold War system of everyone gets everything regardless of deaths
Agree with every point you made. In a nutshell, newer CoDs give great QoL improvements, but the lack of complexity and simplified mechanics of older CoDs is what allowed them to "just work".
The games weren’t perfect especially by today’s standards but it was new and exciting. Also I feel that COD has gotten too complicated with the guns and balancing.
On one hand, I like the gunsmith especially when you kit a weapon into a whole new gun and balancing tradeoffs can be interesting. But the system feels overbloated with tons of filler attachments and optics. Pick 10 in Vanguard is nice but it kind of undercuts the whole purpose of having to be smart with your mod slot choices. I think MW got it right: 55 levels for primaries, 30 for secondaries but (in the case of Vanguard) you don't have to level up melees/launchers. I'd even be open to returning to Pick 5 with low level optics (like Reflex, Holo sights) being free, hell maybe go crazy by making it so you don't have to unlock weapon sights.
even tho the gunsmith is cool, i think it makes thing over complicated, i feel like they should do it how bo4 did it with attachments, each gun had a different playing style and with the attachments it makes the gun playing style more prevalent. like every gun felt different and u had to play different but now i can just make ever gun into my playing style
@@batman-qw1gf What bugs me more than anything else the feeling you have to level up the gunsmith to even make the gun viable in Core. That's why the modifcation editing in MWII looks good; being able to finetune a mod for certain benefits (like balancing a barrel for bullet velocity, at the cost of accuracy) could make the leveling progress feel more substantive at low levels.
Unlike Ace, I don't have a problem with 10 attachments. It's not unrealistic. Guns do have many parts that can be changed out or modified, irl. What pisses me off is the sheer number of pointless optics. (and sometimes other attachments) And then also the order in which attachments of a type unlock, most especially with sights/optics. But it doesn't surprise me. It's all about player retention now. Though, at some point, all their player retention antics are going to cause player losses. And that's already happening.
you know you were in a good lobby when after hours of playing the same people, someone would go "aight guys its been good im done for today" and everyone would say goodbye and there was a sense of community. ahhh the good ole day
Picked up cold war again yesterday after playing black ops 3 for the last year and the disbanding lobbies made the experience feel very lifeless
I see you didn't play on xbox heh
And an exchange of friend requests...
The community is what I miss the most. I don't think disbanding lobbies is responsible for the demise of the community though. I feel like the community died years ago when we split off into fans of Treyarch and fans of IW. After years of relative consistency from one CoD to the next we entered the Advanced movement era where what you got fro. One CoD to next was anyone's guess. You'd get used to one thing only to have it removed the next year and then return a year after that. It's ridiculous
Mannn this just makes me sad, the good old days are gone forever
Me personally, I liked how in black ops 1 you had like a cod money system and you just bought what you wanted and could afford at the time. Camos also were paid for buy this money system and you could even buy a gold camo for more. However if you wanted to unlock a pro version of a perk you had to do challenges. super simple and casual. Also when you prestige you keep your money but everything else resets. My fav system by far.
Yep. I really hate how camos work in newer cods. Forcing us to grind with guns we really don't want to be using and some of the camo challenges are outright ridiculous. I'd rather it be time put into the weapon or reach one of the last prestige tiers rather than "do x amount of x for each category"
thats actually something i really miss about it, playing party games to get in game money was the fucking bomb
Yes!!!!! I loved this!
@@charizard9735 there is a reason they are called mastery camos... it's not for everyone, if it would be easy to get them then that would make no sense, and if you complain about playing with every weapon then you are just complete dogshit, cause the whole point is in enjoying the full game using everything it has to offer, not just playing the same weapon the whole time and then pretending you are some awesome pro player just cause you have a camo wich you paid for with cod points or earned by using the best weapon in the game all the time.
Thats why the modern camo system is superior cause it actually needs you to show off your skill in every aspect of the game, not just camping with the best rifle.
I think that with the newer way of getting the camos would be better
I think the older CoD’s charm was much more than just nostalgia. I would gladly take back some of the inconsistencies the older games had (migrating hosts/balance issues/OP killstreaks) over the crushingly anti-player consistencies these newer games have (Strict SBMM/seasons/focus on metrics over actual player feedback). The difference between the old CoDs and new CoDs is that the stuff that pissed us off in the older CoDs were all honest mistakes/oversights by developers who actually cared about making the best possible game in-spite of the technical limitations of the time period, where as the stuff that piss us off in these new ones are completely by design and the ones that are legitimate oversights often don’t even get addressed in a timely manner, DESPITE the fact that patches nowadays are the norm.
Very good point all around - but what I wanted to throw in was, I honestly started to to not mind host migrations as much after a while because it was almost always someone rage quitting and it was hilarious when you'd kill someone, only for a host migration to all of a sudden happen shortly after. Oh and also now, when the store has a bug? - INSTANT FIX - game has a bug? - we'll say we're working on it and eventually add a fix but only during a major update because we're really working on more microtransactions
I still play the older ones. Got into warzone a bit but it’s more of a love hate relationship.
I still play the older ones. Got into warzone a bit but it’s more of a love hate relationship.
Honestly never minded OP kill streaks. They made it fun to play your life
Amen to that dude
The issue is the gaming community and overall gaming industry that has changed, moreso than the games themselves
Industry yes but community no. There were still people uploading best class setups, line of sight videos, capture point videos, glitch videos etc. The MW2 OMA spam really took off because Wings uploaded a video requesting it to be patched to Machinima. Videos showing how to do the care package glitch, derail elevator, javelin glitch etc. The community has always been full of "tryhards" but you didn't notice it as much because they weren't being forced into your games. There was like a 85% chance any lobby you got into in BO1 was going to have a bunch of people running Ghost, Second Chance and a FAMAS or AK-74u with rapid fire. MW2 was filled with people just running SoH, Stopping Power and Ninja. This stuff didn't just happen by chance.
@@N7Null I respect what you're saying. I think the industry and community go hand in hand though. There was always try hards, yes, but never to this level. Everyone and their mom is streaming and trying to make gaming more than a hobby, entering tournaments etc. (Even casual ones). So although I mostly agree with you, to say the community and it's goals haven't changed at all I don't think is entirely accurate. Just my opinion though. The Industry (and media) and where it is encourages the changes we see in the community.
@@GordonFreeman-n Well, nowadays it’s much easier to do and understand. I wouldn’t say everyone now wants to do those things… they/we always have but now we have the knowledge to do so.
The graphics and audio have obviously improved since mw19 but the last 3 cods have not been enjoyable to play. I think the biggest issues are the increased sbmm and disbanding lobbies.
cold war fun asf
Games that don’t have sbmm aren’t even that much more fun at all .. like at all
These games were fun it depends what you were doing tho
I wish they kept the lobbies together also. We'd get on and play all damn night people would come and go but there was always like 4-8 people that would stay and me n one other would fight for the top score 😭 shit doesn't happen like that anymore bruh it's sad.
@@x0Icarus it still happens sometimes but it’s rare matching with the same people twice in a row three times is like lottery luck
Take out SBMM and up the ttk a bit and MW2 would feel the most like an older COD imo. The SBMM has taken out some of the craziness from older lobbies. In the more recent, the speed seemed to be turbo boosted faster than older CODs. MW2 feels a click slower in pacing but with the removal of slide cancelling, if they did away with SBMM it would feel much more like older CODs. I don't hate SBMM but it can make the game more tedious than it's worth at times. I think nostalgia is almost as strong of a drug as an actual one because everyone only remembers the good stuff while forgetting the stuff that was bitched about for the respective games.
The nostalgia is there because older titles were better. Maps were better, connection was prioritized, and most importantly developers listened to the fans. They have destroyed the social aspect of the game with sbmm, lobby splitting, and removal of scoreboards. I remember playing BO3 and running into some of my favorite youtubers at the time. The majority of my friends on console are from previous cod games. Making friends on COD is a thing of the past because of the disbanding of lobbies.
They listened to fans? Pfft. They _never_ have.
@@Skrenja They used to. Back in the day games couldn’t be modified on the spot as they can be today. For example many complaints with Black Ops 1 were fixed in Black Ops 2. Things such as Ghost being fixed to only hide you on the map while moving and getting rid of 2nd chance. These newer titles such as MW 2022 are bringing back the problems that were fixed many years ago. It’s like the devs have never played COD before.
SBMM should be adjusted but it removes pub stomping. Maps were decent but no lol newer cods have more balanced maps they're just boring because there's no funny exploits. Connection especially MW Mw2 BO1 AND Bo2 was shitty host reliant systems . This is Def nastolgia talking
@@Ash12428 yeah pub stomping is pretty bad that's just baby feeding yourself easy kills because you can't compete with your true skill equivalent players. The game is more balanced for everyone's experience getting paired up with your skill base is healthy for matches. That being said to appease all players we should have Un ranked and ranked playlists where the only difference is skill based match making is either turned on or off
i feel a big point missing here is camo grinds. camo grinding for an overall max camo brings a lot more purpose for some players like me
They were legitimately better.
Simpler mechanics means more focused gameplay AND more accessible gameplay. More room for a casual experience AND competitive experience.
It also helps that maps were more creative. After BO2, Treyarch spearheaded this aggressive “every map feels the same” 3 lane map design. There’s no experimental, interesting or complex maps anymore.
I just remember staying in lobbies with the same people for rounds on end, I miss that
Black Ops 3 completely changed CoD because it introduced something that fuels all of Activision's MTX schemes; FOMO. Fear of missing out. The idea of turning the game into a second job to "earn" stuff, getting people to play with others with the weapon bribe victories and having items that may never appear again earned them a LOT of money, and also, caused a lot of stress. It also had an aggressive SBMM that people forget about since it's been so long.
The FOMO, pay to win micro transaction, etc. all started with AW. The series hasn’t been the same since.
All that started with Advanced Warfare, not Black Ops 3.
That was AW, along with other games at the time getting into it. I don’t think bo3 had it that badly. Most of the actual good stuff you had to pay/gamble for came fairly late into the life cycle of bo3. That game did way more good than bad
I've been playing Call of Duty since 03 and the medal of honours before that so I think I can say on behalf of the entire OG cod player base it's not nostalgia the games were just simply better
@@KevinoftheCosmos exactly. i base better on how revolutionary certain game generations were. think back to ps2 and ps3 era......the games, exclusives we just next level. werent just a bunch of remakes and the creativity was on another level. the ps4 xbox 1 gen.......was pretty lame esp with FPS games like cod and battlefield.
@@KevinoftheCosmos there's a reason people remember those old campaigns, those old beach storming missions on medal of honor. ya the graphics sucked compared to now, but the games had better stories. price for example is a legend as is master cheif.....what legend came from ps4 era? lol
Great vid Ace. For me it's never been about how "good" the game is. It's always about how much FUN I have playing it and I just had more fun with older games.
Isn’t it good if it’s fun?
It might be weird but I base how good a cod game is on the campaign because that’s the part of the game you’ll be able to go back and revisit even when the servers are dead. Cod 3, COD2 BR1, WAW, WW2 and the 2 new modern warfare games are some of the best to me. From a multiplayer standpoint the newer ones are better just because gameplay is smoother and more fleshed out.
Man I miss MW3... I was top 1000 ranked in the world on that game in SnD. I loved lobby leaderboards because everyone would tell me how much of a sweaty no lifer I was XD
It’s not about the nostalgia. It’s the way the golden era games played and handled. The classic prestige system was awesome. The mechanics were a lot more simple /barebones and that made the gameplay amazing. I hope they remaster more like they did with cod 4 . It was a decent remaster it could have been better .
The lack of content at launch is a problem with the wider gaming industry, not just cod
The "launch with a promise of more" is unfortunately not an issue exclusively with the COD franchise. This is an issue across the board with new games. Old games definitely felt more complete than new games do on launch. Hell many new games these days don't only just launch fewling incomplete on the content level, but on the playability level as well. We can only hope this goes back to the way it used to be in the future.
I’m late to the party on this but I genuinely think it was because both IW and Treyarch started their own franchise from Cod 4 being the start of MW and WAW being the start of the Black Ops franchises. From 2007 to 2012 we stuck within those two, we were used to the story lines and the way the games played. in 2013, IW had to start over, create a new franchise, and IMO i think they did a great job with Ghosts. Campaign was great, very very simple but great. I for one, loved multiplayer but I know the majority didn’t, mostly I think because it was a big change in kill streaks, guns, and maps. After that, Sledgehammer comes into the fold with AW, another NEW game with even more changes. Was received… okay? I guess? but again it was another new franchise that everyone had to get used to. People don’t like change, we love nostalgia and having to say goodbye to MW and Black Ops at the time for 2-3 years until BO3, which was received WELL. We all loved that game because we knew black ops. I think it was just the fact that newer CODs never were given a chance to build a franchise because of all the history it was built upon
Map design in the older COD was soooo much better. When the best maps in modern COD are remade maps from 10+ years ago, you know something's gone wrong.
Nostalgia is so strong, but you made great points. I agree with pretty much everything you said. I personally count CoD4 and MW2 as my all-time favorites. OG Infinity Ward knew what they were doing. Current IW is still the better CoD studio IMO. My question is; why did they never continue with releasing remastered CoDs? I absolutely LOVED playing the remastered CoD4 (aside from the addition of loot boxes). Then the MW2 remaster leaked on some foreign retail website and there was an uproar about them selling campaign and multiplayer separately? I figure it will never be released now since they don’t want any thunder stolen from the MW reboot/remake. Still, very sad.
Since I have been playing online I have noticed the online community as a whole will complain about everything and anything. Ultimately if a person likes a game and enjoys playing it then who actually cares what anyone else thinks? That includes so called "infulencers", streamers, professional players, content creators, etc. Play whatever you like and play it however you like. I've had people in chat complain about how I play games and yet I never see them offer to buy me any games so I can play it they way they determine I am supposed to play.
I think if you released modern warfare 2 but remastered the graphics and added the quality of life setting from the newer games it would be a massive success.
To be fair I think they did simplify the gameplay in modern warfare 2 remastered but obviously not to the degree I'm talking about here.
There was something magic about how finely tuned those old games were. They did one or two things but they did them incredibly well.
After snapping the MW19 disk out of frustration in January 2020, I reinstalled WW2 and MW2 OG. The amount of fun I had on those games was untouchable by this crap Activision is putting out now
The “pick 10” from BO2 was the best for really making hard choices with your class and weapon.
Also, I really miss taking the time to make my own profile card in BO2 😢
And yes, maps were better. Simpler and better.
My favorite game so far is the new modernized MW 1. I haven’t played enough of the new MW2 to say so but that I will always remember that game.
Order cods the devs had more budget to make content. New cods they pull devs away from map design and side modes in order to have them code monetization features like battle pass cosmetics, dances for characters to do, then they gotta design a win screen where your character is visible so people want to purchase the cosmetics in the first place etc etc. it pulls away from dev time but brings in more profit. Only reason older cods didn’t have this is because game studios didn’t yet know that this model was in Super profitable. Back then the games profit model was to be fun so people would buy the game and the dlc, not spend money on micro transactions because they had none. Just my 2 cents
6:02 I HATE the grind. Prestige, weapon levels, camo challenges, etc. I have infinitely more fun in these games AFTER the grind is done. If the grind takes too long, it ruins my enthusiasm for the game, and I end up quitting it early. Fewer things to grind will greatly enhance these games for me.
7:02 I completely agree about 2x XP. It shouldn't count down unless we're in game.
Modern warfare two was my first game and I’ve been waiting all these years for a remake so this year I’m really excited but yes I would definitely play modern warfare2 2009 all the time again
Honestly... Some of these newer CoD games would be just as fun as the older ones if sbmm wasn't a thing. That along with persistent lobbies too. The fun of the old games was every game was a toss up almost. You could either stomp or be stomped. And if you got stomped, you can go back for more and try and win. That was a big part of the soul of the game for me... And it's missing now.
Making your own embelm.... I used to make such nice ones. It was the only way to personalise yourself in the game. But that's gone for good.
16:37 Im sure for the most part this would be an accurate statement for most people. Releasing an upscaled version of OG mw2 or bo2 would prob not take as well for the community. For me personally, I miss the simplicity of older cods. There is a reason why little 15 year old me played black ops 2 every day of its life cycle and even in to the ghosts life cycle. It was just pure fun. It was a game made for the consumer with people who still had the passion for making a good cod game. I do not feel even 1/10th of the joy playing modern cod games, they feel like a chore to enjoy most notably because of SBMM since Im no longer aware if Im even good at the game now. I miss being able to have several good games in a row because I was just above average compared to others in the lobby. Im tired of playing against jev and scump and other non-grass touchers just so that I can cling to the potential of a 1.0 k/d
10:40 pretty funny how he's talking about player visibility then misses the guy behind the player he killed 😅
I feel like there's a perfectly happy middle somewhere that developers aren't seeing.
MW1, MW2, BO1 and BO2 were King. The only good newer games I would sady were BO3 and Cold War to some extent (lack of staying in lobbies post-match, SBMM, spawns and lack of map support dragged this game down a bit unfortunately).
It definitely helped nostalgiawise that all my friends played the old games but having so many mtx I the new games only hurts them.
I'll never have the same experiences WaW and BO1-BO3 gave me, same with MW2 and MW3 and I acknowledge that. But I just never thought that these newer CODs would be so far off from them. Maybe certain factors can change that, as well. Like it's no longer me coming home from school and playing a Campaign mission or 2 then switching to MP with friends; Friends who are now super busy with jobs. But at the same time the experiences I would have playing MP solo back then are far different than now. Now I maybe play 3 games by myself before being worn out from the frustration with how the new ones play, meanwhile back in the day I could play for hours by myself. I definitely believe with the rise of people trying to be COD UA-camrs and Streamers, and Esports too, it definitely made the games 10x sweatier and it shows, not just cause of SBMM either but that certainly really throws it in your face more than ever. It's really hard to play casually anymore because every pub game is filled with people playing in an imaginary million dollar tournament or there are kids trying to get their next 30 kill-streak gameplay footage for their 57 subscriber channel. It just won't ever be the same, not even close. You can accept that and still play it for what it is, or accept it and move on. That's the best course of action rather than trying to force it to bring back the good old days.
World at War and BO1 were on another level. All aspects of those games were great. Multiplayer, Campaign and Zombies. They still have active communities on PC and you can plug in a PS3 or XBOX 360 controller to play on steam. Just activate controller input in steam options.
Nothing beats OG. Those sounds in the menus.. and the lobbies were epic
i also feel it's half the community half the developers, about a week ago i played my first match of warzone ever and the amount of try hard people using special controllers or buying monstrous pcs to have 0.1% better FOV or FPS is astounding. Games are less fun because the player base has become less fun and they treat every game as a e-sport event. I started playing BO2 again and let me tell you it's amazing just because people are trying to have fun, people running around doing quick scoping or just a pistol or just a knife.
Very well said; you couldn't nail every point more on the head then this. Older COD Thank you.
The persistent lobbies are BY FAR what I miss the most. It was so fun to go game to game with the same players. It’s always such a buzzkill to have all this great trash talk get cut off at the end of a game in MW2.
To me new cod gameplay is much better. It’s beautiful. It feels solid playing the new games. It’s just the way people play these games have changed. Us older players don’t play the same as these new kids. I think that’s where some people get lost in nostalgia
waw is a great single player but didnt try the multiplayer due to having no internet access amd thats the only game that hook me into wtaching tones of soviet documentry
The nostalgia argument has always fallen flat and isn't an argument. We all know those games were great and better than most games today. The populations were greater, population retention was stronger, SBMM handled intelligently and not so strict like today, way more people talked to each on their mics, actual lobbies, social experience, you paid $60 and got a complete package with no slimy battle passes and mtx. They were games to be played and not products to be consumed. Those days are over for the most part.
To be honest, it is the matchmaking that makes the games frustrating, the new mw2 is good, i like it but cant have fun most of the times as every lobby feels too competitive. Thats why i only play ranked now, if every lobby feels like a league match than at least im playing it without the broken stuff.
To me I liked Black Ops 4 the most(I started WW2). I liked that characters had different abilities. Also think we all agree we preferred the old match making. Then I could get stopped then have a 20kd game. Now every round is fairly similar.
Also the servers suck. MW2 for me is basically not playable during peak hours. My latency will be 80-100 if I try to play then. But yet Fortnite is in the 20s at that time.
I believe quite simply we were teenagers, everything seemed new and fresh, and had a fuck ton of time to waste on videogames. After almost 20 years of annual releases it's obvious you are gonna get tired and the fun will end. Mechanically, and balance wise, a lot of the choices in the old CODs are just horrendous. The quality of the post launch content was better, yes, but we were paying A LOT of money for a complete game....every year! I mean, I think that if we have gotten the same MW2019 (obviously with the graphics of the time) in, like, 2010, we would behold it as one of the greatest cod ever and bla bla bla.
Black ops 2 was my favorite! Everything was fun in that game. TDM, SnD, free for all, capture the flag I loved all the modes
Cod player since 2004 here. It’s definitely not nostalgic feelings, the older games had far more love and care.
Older cods in terms of 2007-2012 were better for sure for sure.
i miss the gambling mechanics of BO1
I always agree with all your opinions about Cod🤣👌 I feel exactly the same.
About that calling card & emblem stuff. Also, sooo true🤣 I remember I completed a challenge where I had to make sure to kill 5 people with 1 predator missile, and then you got a pretty sick Tiger emblem. Was so proud to use that emblem. Exactly like you said. To show people what you achieved.
I agree 100%. My first real cod was bo3, some would argue this was already a "weaker" entry in the series but I still loved it and I also loved bo4 but from then on it got worse imo. Something about this new mw engine just does not sit right with me. Also they do everything to protect new players on the expense of the "veterans" or players like me that just joined recently but just liked the older system better. I really hope the microsoft takeover changes something in the future.
Simple thing to do is give us a Classic cod remake
I 100% agree with every single thing you said. Crazy to see how backwards we went
I personally think older cods were better than newer cods mainly due to them being full games at release and not like they are now where they drip feed stuff.
og mw2 time was the best time of my life
I would say no.
I am recently playing the Black Ops franchise as I never played them before. I'm starting with World at War and going through until I get to Black Ops 4.
And so far they have been much better and entertaining games than something like Vanguard or Cold War.
I also did the da e with Uncharted, and I think the Uncharted games are so much better than the stuff we get today. Don't get me wrong there are good games today, but a lot of games just are made as well as they used to be
The games were more fun because players were more fun. Most things about newer cods is generally better except the killstreaks & SBMM and that’s the result of balancing. Most players are generally just try hards meta gun users. I’ve played enough to keep up easily but I can see how casuals can’t keep up with them and it sucks getting stomped in cod it always has it just happens more often now than before.
Edit: atmosphere for modern warfare has never been better but every other era has lacked in ambiance
I like campaign for most games but generally prefer the old games, the only online cod I enjoyed was the og mw2
Warning this rant is based on opinion and off my experience as a series veteran since cod4,
The biggest negative of the newer games is the advanced movement for me, I cannot stand all the jumping and sliding every single clip I watch is just sweaties "breaking cameras" and spamming the jump button on the back of their scuf controllers. It's not fun for me anymore and I moved on to more grounded and competitive titles. (I say that list bit because spam jumping isn't competitive or grounded at all.)
Overall the improvements are great I liked the mw2019 gunplay a lot till warzone dropped and everyone just started spam jumping. AW permanently changed the face of cod negatively with how they added advanced movement and you can't change my mind. BO2 had horrid netcode but holy fuck people actually stood and shot each other instead of jumping around corners at mach 7. I really like games that punish you for spamming the jump button with accuracy hits, that's why cs will forever be the goat. Jumping is for utility it's not a win button.
People got to understand cod really can be good in modern times lol. Imo Cold War is a pretty good game or atleast it’s fun. Don’t get me wrong the older games really are amazing and are masterpieces but people need to look forward and realize cod will never be the same again.
In my opinion, older CODs are better on average, but certain newer games like BO3 and MW2019 are incredibly good!
Why would you be skeptical about editing your class mid game its pretty simple
The old ones are better I agree with all your points tho I do like the settings more in the new ones with more customization in settings
Disbanding lobbies is just bad for replay in my opinion. New COD is always trying something new and we always don't need something new sometimes bringing back what you had was nice. Maybe we can still do SBMM but not after every match. Maybe every time you que it tries to match you with similar players. Not constantly updating after every match. SnD is much nicer playing against the same people.
Edit: I wrote that halfway through the video new CoDs have good quality of life but they're trying to do too much and in that they can't do basic things well. Trying to make all players happy leaves many behind.
I just wish I could play them. BO2 has a playerbase on Xbox, but there’s aimbot hackers. The others games are dead.
No one takes seriously how tryhards nowdays impact the game, they ruin everything fun “they want to be pros or streamers”
Lobbies where so much skill varied
The amount of tryhards have increased alot in every single game in the last 10 years
I don’t care if the people I play are better than me or professionals. Pair me up with the first 11 guys to enter a lobby with me. SBMM made everything worse.
Blackops2 was the last cod I got diamond weapons
It ended with sledgehammer. They are an infection in the COD machine
With all these new settings the games are more broken than ever, SBMM, OEMM and everything fucks it up for me…
Even in ranked i have to play against my skill and not my rang, y the heck am i playing ranked than?
I like how nearly all positives of the new games aren’t really gameplay things😂
Mw2 remaster we need that asap
Cod4, WaW, MW2, BO1, MW3, and BO2 were 6 amazing games in a row. They were each flawed but ultimately very fun.
Those were all my faves as well. MW2019 really wasn't that bad but compared to perks, gun selection, maps, and game modes it falls flat compared to older CODS. Warzone was a big change though and overall a W.
I agree mostly but I honestly never really enjoyed MW2. The Game was never patched and despite what most people say, I have always held the same belief of Multiplayer Video Games, that balance is a HUGE part of why I like MP Gaming and MW2 was simply too broken imo and thus I barely played it and enjoyed it much. Yes, Cod4 had M16/Stopping Power, Waw had MP40/Stopping Power and MW3 had shit like Dead Man's Hand (as seen in the video multiple times actually lol) but MW2 had an unimaginable amount of issues like all the Deathstreaks MW3 had but also knifing was broken and MW2 had Perks like Danger Close, Stopping Power, Commando and of course... One Man Army, also Explosives by themselves were broken as shit and you could get a Nuke with other Streaks, rather than all Gun KIlls, plus there were tons of bugs at launch like the Infinite Care Package Glitch by climbing up one whilst throwing it or something, and balance was all kinda wack, the last Assault Rifle, the F2000 was one of the worst guns in the game and that's only like a fraction of the issues. Idk, I just feel like MW2 was the perfect storm of issues at launch just enough to where it was too much and had more issues than any other COD, but also wasn't as uninspired feeling as newer COD Games are, but I still feel MW2 is highly overrated.
@@DeadSpacedOut I agree with what you said, but the game did undeniably have a very solid identity and style. It’s just sad that people find the most broken strategies and exploit them.
Easily the best CODs… times were just different back then
@@DeadSpacedOut everything was viable in mw2 because everything was broken. The game was fun because it wasn’t meant to be taken seriously like all these mlg faze kids do now. It was just pure chaos and casual fun. And getting a nuke with other streaks is probably the best design decision ever lol. Because it’s fun. Anybody can go for a nuke any game and it gives the game so much replay value.
I have noticed that while the graphics are getting better it's definitely harder to see campers. The advances in shadows and lighting effects make a lot of scenarios really bright and others really dark. Granted I am getting older and everyone else seems to just get better.
thats why people like my friends and I who don't care how games look and just wanna win play most of our games on lower settings, especially shadow and lighting settings, because the games runs better and you can see players much better and this applies to almost every game nowadays, playing on higher graphics just puts you at a disadvantage
The more details the map has has, the less attention you pay to see the enemy
No there just noob campers getting buffed to max from kiddie noob camper friendly salesman from infinity ward
@@Logan-dk8of yeah and there are we in the same lobby where i just want to play 3-4 games to relax after study or work and get anhilated by your kind thanks to sbmm
Milleinals are getting old and Zoomers were playing CoD literally in diapers.
It's not just nostalgia. These games were so fun, and still are.
Haven't had so much fun in a Call of Duty in a while until I went back to Black Ops 1 on Plutonium and played the original maps with the old guns. Not so much with BO2 because even though the game was viewed as the best COD game, I was still so-so on the game for multiplayer. I was more for MW3 than BO2
@@crossfire2045 plutonium MW3 is 🤌🏼 the only modern COD I knew was really great during the time it was new, was BO3.
@@94nolo MW3 was a modern warfare game that I felt could not be matched, it took what made MW2 enjoyable and expanded upon it, but what people from MW2 didn't like was the fact that MW3 had One Man Army removed and the Model 1887 severely nerfed after the akimbo shotgun sniping that occured in MW2. BO3 was amazing and is one of the best modern COD games of the last seven years and one of the best COD games to be released for the PS4 with WW2 behind it (not Launch day WW2 but post patch, post rework version). The later version of WW2 was much better compared to what I heard about the game when it first launched.
Yep, I've been having an absolute blast on PC playing MW1, WAW, MW2, BO1, BO2, even Ghosts. All these games are so much fun even to this day and I've been playing them more than anything else recently even
its nostalgia
I just miss the lobby staying after a game, getting to learn the playstyle of specific people in the lobby and find a useful counter to that, that was my favorite part of playing call of duty and I dearly miss it
So underrated. Being able to play the same lobby helps you get better imo. Plus its more fun to trash talk 😂
100% agree. Having back and forth with rival players was too fun
Hit the nail with this one
They can still force it onto comp
@@justsaying993 Yh man like if I got shat on by someone back in the day I wouldn’t rage quit, I’d stay in the lobby and try get back at him, that’s clearly been lost recently
As a CoD player since ‘07 it’s honestly not just nostalgia. The games were simply better you could tell the developers put their love into them. Also, Black Ops 1 still has the best Combat Record in CoD history.
Black Ops 1 was my absolute favorite COD, followed by BO2, then MW3
@@SkateClipsAndTips Black Ops 1 Gold Camo on the AK-47 is enough to make a 3 year old, grow facial hair, that's the power of it's beauty... also, Bo1 had some of the best maps, weapon balance and variety, i think Bo1's MP is THE masterclass in how an mp experience should be built, perfection.
Bro…. The map overlay that showed where all your kills and deaths were was amazing.
@@codean909 IIRC there was even a record that showed where you were hit at most on the body. Truly ahead of it’s time.
BO1 was my first cod on PS3 back in early 2011
I like that the older cods had a bigger variety of maps and they took more risks with map layouts and each one had a unique look and many of them had a cool feature or landmark in each map
@@J.Wolf90 Have you played MW2? What maps beside Shoothouse only have 3 lanes? Forgets to mention there’s ground war and invasion lol
J. Wolf I don't think you understand 3 lanes. Cause newer cods majority of maps aren't 3 lanes and almost all classic cods had only 3 lanes
You are so right,now all the maps feel the same
That makes no sense it’s the complete opposite… The old mats were all pretty much the same and in the new one they’re all completely different. You guys just say stuff just to say stuff
the only map with a good part in the middle recently is farm18
I really miss no disbanding lobbies and being able to play with my friends without feeling bad about pulling them up to my skill level. Map voting… Oh my god that system is so simple yet amazing. Also the endless grind for customization. I reached level 70 prestige 10 on MW2 and still did not have everything which I loved! The one major thing I give the modern games though is how good aiming feels. Aiming feels so good in the new games and if we could just get the old games with the new aiming systems I would be so happy
I dont blame that opinion but imo the games nowadays are way less skillbased when it comes to aiming, its like dynamic and rotational aim assist were just taken to the moon, in fact in some skill ranges you dont have the ability to miss 1 single shot… compared with pay to win dark skins, fucked up spawns and stairglitching its not even skill based anymore, its all about timing you have and who isnt running into a gunfight, in older cods you could react, you could have missed shots because the aim assist werent that strong, compared to sprint to fire and all that with 10000 different attachements….
They can add dead zones and horizontal and vertikal Stick sensivity and in ads sens but nothing more you need nowadays….
The older cods had the FUN factor, dont get it twisted you can have fun in the newer games too but with how they handle matchmaking and how much consistency theyve lost overtime you're more likely to get frustrated more than have fun as opposed to before
Yeah I agree. I personally prefer the newer games because of the movement mechanics, customisation, aesthetics and like ace said, being able to tune the settings to your liking and free dlc. However I'd be lying if I said matchmaking in the newer ones is irritating. Having a good game feels shooting yourself in the foot. Newer cod has become a bit too competitive and I miss the feeling of being able to relax while playing
my favorite thing about some of the cods specifically bo1 and 2 were the custom emblems i like sitting in a lobby looking at other peoples creatives emblems but some people had to ruin it
It's the sweats fault. It's no longer fun with the sweaty bunny hop virgins around.
@@1Chasg it’s not their fault either. IW made so many unnecessary changes to CoD that it forced people to play a specific way.
@@1Chasg so people can't be good at the game anymore?
Older CoDs are 100% better. The killstreaks in older CoDs were amazing as well.
Nope. Movement is night and day better in newer CODs.
@@Skrenja Older cods had better matchmaking, much better map design, way more content at launch,way better campaigns, better weapon balancing, way less buggy at luanch(unlike newer cods),better prestige & overall progression system, better camo grinds, no microtransactions or dogshit battlepasses(which ruined progression in cod)
@@jfc6132 more content at launch was good but they didn’t have the same content post launch. MW has 54 maps in it rn.
@@jfc6132 older CoDs games weren’t more balanced. MW2 was a bit balanced because of all the guns being op, but the F200 was nothing compared to the ACR for example. CoD4 had weaker balancing as well (MP44 was useless compared to the AK-47, G36C was quite bad compared to the M4A1/M4 Carbine).
@@bobdarrick2628 Most of the maps in Mw2019 are horrendous
I really felt every point you made in this video lol, as someone who’s just recently gone from MWR to MW19 I’ve noticed these things massively, like the point you made about people being easier to spot on the old games, in MWR if someone shoots me…I can normally tell where about it came from and play accordingly, but MW19 I find myself having to avoid entire areas of a map because I get dropped by someone I couldn’t see and when your camera turns towards where you’re shot from there are near endless places they could be hidden…like a window above a pile of rubble and a bush with a door just beside them and you’re just left wondering where tf the person shot you from, this is only made worse by the new mini map system that functions soooo much worse than the og cod mini map that was simple, but effective!
Modern Warfare [CoD 4] Remastered was so good. The ONLY thing I disliked was how some of the weapon kits were way to similar to the earned challenge camos (there were weapon kits that made the weapon look gold).
MW2019 was fine, the visibility was never an issue for me, no idea why. Maybe it's because I don't just set the settings all the way up, because they don't need to be.
YESSS. I keep getting flanked and fucked outta NOWHERE, and it feels unfair.
At this point, I felt like I played better in my childhood, and I’m 23!!
Spot on, Ace. While the newer games have definitely brought some unique and appreciated additions, there's just something about them that makes them feel less inviting. You kind of touched on it in the XP token segment. It just feels like now, it's all about the data: player retention numbers, revenue from microtransactions, etc. Back then, it felt more, I don't know, welcoming. The game was only concerned with making sure you were having fun.
Also how many years in a row can the same basic game style be enjoyable? I like the game but my playtime has gone down exponentially over the years . BO2 was the peak for me
@@agny369 100%.
Honestly I feel like the “fun” factor slowly diminished over the years. In the older games you can see and feel the effort and passion that was put into them. Unfortunately it doesn’t scratch that same itch as it used to previously. The games now feel rushed and incomplete and this applies for most recent video games as well not just COD.
Agreed. I am thankful for X-Labs, and Plutonium.
passion🤓🤓🤓🤓
They feel incomplete because they can get away with it. “Live service” is their safeguard. It’s no longer “with this game we put forth all of our best efforts and it was a collective experience to bring this new installment ready to go day one for you. 🙏”
Now it’s “well we got whatever we got done mostly finished. It’s not the whole thing but here it is. We’ll add the rest in later because fuck it, we gotta make updates anyway.”
@@danieldanielson2324 Agreed. The issue is with current CoDs is that they rush the games out with little content, like 8-9 maps on launch, then rectify it saying "Content is free!" They already have your money, why would they put effort into making new maps and content when that gives them no money? All of their effort these days goes into their $24 bundles. You can tell everything around the games these days, from adding operators everywhere and a creating a free to play battle royale, that their main objective is getting people to buy these $24 flashy skins since that makes profit.
I think it's natural that, by human nature, people will eventually get tired of the "live service" and predatory FOMO service the game industry has right now and we'll move back to paid, but quality, content. Until then, it's up to people individually to scope the world out for completed games. To find the good games, avoid games with these things: "live service," "early access," and any type of micro-transactions (cosmetic or not). Think about all the great games in the past and present and you'll realize none of them have any of those things.
@@TheSpiderComix they made a killing by taking away content and features and then reintroducing it as something that is purchasable or for the ploy of “oh here’s some new content for you” For example, CW adding back a crossbow wasn’t NEW content! We’ve seen it before! These devs make bad game decisions, get flamed for it, rectify it later with an update and get praised???? Why are they getting praised for putting out a fire they started?
And these skins are literal free money. They probably pay for artists to devise something then make a dev create it. As long as it doesn’t have a dick, titties or a swasticka, it’s all on board to add. Who cares about paying respect to a time period like i don’t know, World War 2?!
Back in the day, we got more maps and better quality maps than we do now. We got to vote which maps we want to play and whether we continue to play with same people we played in the last match. Also skill based matchmaking was no way near as bad as it is now. Before i used to play lobbies filled with my country men in UK. Now i get players across europe as far as Germany and Poland just for the sake to match my skill level which means higher ping and swet. I am a seasonal COD gamer and this year is the first time since 2007 that i stopped playing COD. What a ride it has been though. So many good memories. Its sad to see COD franchise has gotten so regressive and poor.
Feel the same, I quit a little before you (Few months into Black Ops: CW). The franchise for me has lost it's fun and addictive sense of feeling, more importantly in a lot of ways lost the community we once had. The game I fell in love with all those years ago just doesn't exist anymore, which to be honest hurts.
Most maps back then were ass
@@Moooniemoon no they weren't, MW19 had aweful maps with just a bunch of safe spaces for campers
@@The_MEMEphis yeah MW19 maps were ass to. Cod4 and MW2 maps especially had a bunch of spawn exploits and glitches areas. BO1 had some interesting and fun maps but just had camp friendly spots with minimal counter play to them. BO2 and BO3 had a bunch of 3 lanes.
I hear ya brother.
Its interesting how the pros of the new games are mostly technical things (graphics, sound, dedicated servers, etc.) but for the old games they were more gameplay and progression mechanics.
I agree. The things that are basically guaranteed to improve with time, like graphics, obviously improved. The things that matter more though, like how fun things are, and are not a given, have almost universally gotten worse.
Baffling how Activision can't seem to combine the strengths of old cod to these new games. They would make even more money if they actually listened to the community
I certainly enjoyed many of the older CoDs more than the newer ones, all at their respective times. It seems like the older ones had some soul in them, while the newer ones are just prosaic, uninspired, data-driven tosh.
I’d say he also forgot to talk about older cods having open mics forcing voicechat with the widest variety of people. Newer cods, people don’t use mics much or there are playing with their friends in discord/party chat. This feature made trash talking or just meeting funny people always a awesome, having a chance of a night being crazy fun.
just go to game chat
game chat still exists bro
@@MrKhalifa9000 yeah game chat exists not forced voice chat.
@@TDM_ i mean, people talk less because most console players don’t use headphones. its just a change in culture. i have my mic turned off, but its turned off on my whole xbox, not COD
@@lakthederg not true what? Theres a ton of sweaty people using surround sound headphones esp on mw2 the footsteps are so damn clear idk people are just always in parties and discord
Biggest point of yours I agree with are the maps. Old CoD maps were so much more interesting and varied from map to map than current CoD games. There is a reason they bring back remakes of old maps in every single new CoD title, the maps were just plain better.
New cod maps are way too streamlined and super uninteresting to play on. Sadly cod players are now conditioned to playing those types of maps now if MW2019 is anything to go off on.
This one thing I can definitely say is better with the old CoDs. Maps being free also makes them feel like… less effort is put into them compared to before where maps HAD to be good to entice people to continue buying map packs. Free maps is better for everyone since we all can experience them but paid maps were of better quality it seems.
@@Bestgameplayer10 that point doesnt stand tho because the BASE maps were amazing as well lol.....those are the ones that get remade a ton anyway.
@@b__w_4565 My point was how added maps tend to have been better when they were paid for than the free maps we get today (at least in my opinion). Nothing to do with base maps.
I also like the factions in the older games. Having simple characters teams like Seals vs Spetnaz helped define character visibility. I think new cod suffer the most from this especially Vanguard
And immersion. The 'throwing a flashbang' and 'cover me I'm reloading' quips in english, russian, and other languages made it immersive. Instead of 'gay woman German' calling herself a 'badass' during the game. Give me a break...
@@sortofanoakyafterbirth3661 yea more so immersion, I fucken love the faction music.
Team Deathmatch
Shut up, clock in and load up
@@mcnalga Yes I completely forgot about the music for each factions.
Good god, I cannot tell you how many times I've been killed because an ally is directly behind an enemy somewhere and their name tag prevents me from realising that. This Operator cosmetic haven they've created was at least tolerable when there were two overall factions. Now I have to work if I'm shooting the right Snoop Dogg or not.
Old games were simple, kinda like the early days of warzone. There wasn’t so many things going on at once. Also the old games, you could play them without sweating your balls off. Don’t get me wrong I love being competitive at times when I need to, like a 1v6 clutch on S&D. But SBMM makes it so EVERY gun fight and every match is a sweat fest
Warzone was fun until vanguard
@@GcubePlayer8 until Cold War*
Bro you didn't just compare warzone to old cod games 🫣 warzone is a over competitive sweat fest battle royal is what has killed cod off you could've at least said black out at least there wasn't so many try hards on black out lots of people messing around funny moments in the game play
@@N_W677 I literally said the early days of warzone were like the old games, when people weren’t so sweaty and everyone was naive and didn’t follow the 1 meta gun in the game
I feel like if they fix SBMM and added the old prestige systems back in and kept the way they do maps and guns being added it would be the best of both worlds
Agreed, seasons should just be in warzone
I agree. Clearly everyone enjoyed the games more before SBMM.
I was just thinking about this yesterday so I played some older Call of Duty's and I think my favorite part is the simplicity.
God no. Literally the worst aspect
@@thegamerserpent4271 are you the kind of person to call slide canceling spam a skill gap?
@@DustoVonSusto I mean it is a skill gap
@@DustoVonSusto it quite literally is…..
@@kenet362 how? destroying your joysticks to reach your destination 0.000000001 seconds faster isn’t really that worth it. Tac sprint needs to go
Here's something that might not be huge deal but something I find better in old COD games before selling skins/ micro transactions became a big thing. In multiplayer both teams used to look very different from each other which made them more recognizable and easier to detect, I remember in Black Ops 1 players even used too look different depending on what gun they used almost like classes so you easily knew what you were up against, I liked that. Also some of the historical settings looked more authentic which I liked, especially the older WW2 COD games. All armies looked like their real world counterpart. No weird character / weapon skins and no laser guns in WW2 like we get now. ( I realize most people probably don't care about this tho)
It was actually what you picked as your blue perk that changed your character model. Ghost users would have a Ghillie suit, Flak Jacket would give you armor, Scavenger gave you a hat, and I don't remember what hardline and lightweight gave you, since everyone stopped using hardline after the first nerf to it, and no one used lightweight at all.
You're right I was thinking about the original MW2 (2009). In MW2 the character models changed depending on what your main weapons was.
-The snipers had Ghillie suits.
-LMG users were bigger and builkier.
-Riotshield users had riotgear on.
-AR, SMG, and Shotgun users had slight changes like different helmets and face masks.
What's even more impressive is that they did this for every faction in MW2 multiplayer.
Even some of the factions camouflage changed depending if it was a snow/desert/woodland map.
MW3 did the same thing but it didn't have as many character variations as MW2 if I remember correctly.
@@TreesOnTheMoon Yep, I think in Cod4 you also got a ghillie suit when you ran a sniper on the SAS vs Spetnaz maps.
@@Majora1988 True, now that you mention it I think all the weapons changed the look of the character model in some way in that game too if I remember correctly. I remember SMG users having masks on in COD 4.
I'm spoiled by the animation fidelity of newer CODs. They are very immersive, and I love the attention to detail.
Unless I missed it, I am shocked that you didn’t mention Scorestreaks vs Killstreaks and the horrendous Cold War system of everyone gets everything regardless of deaths
Agree with every point you made. In a nutshell, newer CoDs give great QoL improvements, but the lack of complexity and simplified mechanics of older CoDs is what allowed them to "just work".
The games weren’t perfect especially by today’s standards but it was new and exciting. Also I feel that COD has gotten too complicated with the guns and balancing.
On one hand, I like the gunsmith especially when you kit a weapon into a whole new gun and balancing tradeoffs can be interesting. But the system feels overbloated with tons of filler attachments and optics. Pick 10 in Vanguard is nice but it kind of undercuts the whole purpose of having to be smart with your mod slot choices.
I think MW got it right: 55 levels for primaries, 30 for secondaries but (in the case of Vanguard) you don't have to level up melees/launchers. I'd even be open to returning to Pick 5 with low level optics (like Reflex, Holo sights) being free, hell maybe go crazy by making it so you don't have to unlock weapon sights.
even tho the gunsmith is cool, i think it makes thing over complicated, i feel like they should do it how bo4 did it with attachments, each gun had a different playing style and with the attachments it makes the gun playing style more prevalent. like every gun felt different and u had to play different but now i can just make ever gun into my playing style
Over complicated weapons and attachments. WHY does everyone think every single weapon needs perfect balance?
@@batman-qw1gf What bugs me more than anything else the feeling you have to level up the gunsmith to even make the gun viable in Core. That's why the modifcation editing in MWII looks good; being able to finetune a mod for certain benefits (like balancing a barrel for bullet velocity, at the cost of accuracy) could make the leveling progress feel more substantive at low levels.
Unlike Ace, I don't have a problem with 10 attachments. It's not unrealistic. Guns do have many parts that can be changed out or modified, irl. What pisses me off is the sheer number of pointless optics. (and sometimes other attachments) And then also the order in which attachments of a type unlock, most especially with sights/optics. But it doesn't surprise me. It's all about player retention now. Though, at some point, all their player retention antics are going to cause player losses. And that's already happening.