I think the engine builders did right by publishing +10,000rpms. I'm sorry, I wont say much, but after reading some of the stuff below; I think the builders should put some of the guys straight, with regards to the RPM out of control specs....:) If what I read was true, your peak power should be between 9200 and 9400, with some tweaking it actually will cross 11,000rpm, but without any gains, really. There are also issues we found after running for extended periods over 11,200 on a one mile course. Yes, it did hit the rev limiter at 11,600rpm in fifth gear, but with zero grunt. With that project we did not use the 4A casting. You guys know what I'm talking about. The motor runs really nice, sounds great. There are cams available to move the peak up, without pulling back the timing significantly, but they are very hard on the valvetrain. I enjoyed listening to the cip. Thank you
other 16v 4A-GE produces 240hp @ 10,500 rpm. amazing, though. it sounded even better than the TRD 20v blacktop of Tsuchiya and it reminds me of the F430 Scuderia's engine.
do the math...230hp from 1.6 litres. and yes Form. Atl. motors making around 240. The price and work that goes into making these motors race-worthy increases exponentially with anything above 170-180
Look up the term "geared" in the dictionary. you will see in there "To adjust or adapt so as to make suitable" or something to that effect. A cam that is "geared for high rpm" is the same as one that is "tuned for high rpm" or "designed for and intended for high rpm". Are we getting the picture now? Also, in a twin cam engine you can dial in the lobe separation to make it wider or narrower with adjustable cam gears, making it literally "geared for low/high rpm" Just throwing that out there.
1:yes it does 2: asymmetrical, and symmetrical cams, both have symmetry, all the parts you described make up what sort of symmetry the cam has, please go read a grade 8 math text book 3: never said that at all! 4: so being raised by a family of mechanics who have been mechanics for 3 generations, used to get bored on school holidays so i would sit around my father's shop reading book or actually helping repair cars/build engines 5: do you even know my corolla, and who are mcm, i don't watch rap
Maybe...Still it doesn't sound to me that way...It's true i don't!i have friends with 20v(16v are very rare here in greece).I my self have a peugeot 306 with 16v engine from a saxo.Preety much stock.But i'm a big fan of the 4age, watched videos for countless hours and i've seen others revving much higher to my ear.Still i may be wrong...Didn't want to offend this holly engine in any way ;) Cheers!
love them high notes...!!its sound soooo sweet ..!! n yes i believe it is revin around 10,000rpm.....!!! n no i dont own a AE86 with a 4age....!!!!but...... i do drive a 2000 model dc2 type r...n it sound as sweet as that 4age...wn the vtec kicks in that is...XD
@piston335 no, they used a special "5AG" crank with a bigger stroke (83 X 83mm)made only by HKS, then bored the block to 83(from 81) and used a CA18DE piston(there bigger) so the overall displacement increased to 1796cc. GOSH!! theres a whole 4.5AG, 5AG, 5.5AG, 7AG AND 8AG. they all involve increasing the displacement size for more torque and power!!!! almost all AE86 N2 machines don't have 4AG's anymore (only a few)
the CBY AE86 is faster, it has a 5.5AG engine with 255HP and won by alot in the most recent hot version AE86 N2 race. it also got under a minute(like 59:012 or something)
Maybe you are right...but still the sound at the peak rpm doesn't seem like 10k :/ i am a musician so my ears are preety sensitive to these things...But i may be wrong...Maybe the sound of the camera is crappy and has distorted frequencies...
You probably don't own a 4age powered car with mod's. I run 9000 with 40mm carburators on a 4age, and this rev's a lot more then mine for sure. And, i know the specs of this car, and í am really sure it can revs even over the 10.000rpm.
funny for Vtec to work it uses the base VVTi that toyota has (if memory serves me right BMW 1st introduced this in the 70's) plus also abit extra to get more, but heres the funny thing, this engines has no vvti system, its geared for high rpm, Honda needs a computer to get to 9'500 rpm, Toyota uses Carbies!
i didn't mention it as gears or gear ratios, its a common term in the automotive industry, how do you know what profile they are running, they might be running a Symmetrical cam profile! yes it makes stuff all power off the line, but how often are you start stop driving in a race!, you don't need to have the power at low rpm, you want an engine that is more geared for high end rpm, specially in drifting!, please you go read a book, you clearly got your info off wikipedia
1: depends on where you're from, 2: symmetry has everything to do with cam shafts, shit even wikipedia has this right! 3: depending on the type of drifting you are doing, you can go either way with how the motor is geared up! 4: and you think i don't understand terminology, you have no clear concept of what actually goes on with engines for racing, you are just copying what your mates say!
It does seem that way, but actually in that vid he's running less power and less aggressive cams. What makes it seem like he is revving higher is the fact that he has a 4.1 final drive ratio, so he's actually just revving longer, not higher, in this vid the car has a much shorter final drive and therefore revs up faster per gear.
@@underated_username7567 That's a heavily modified inline-four, not a stock boxer engine. Also, a stock V6 is a damn sight more reliable than the fucking 12K Rpm 16V 4-pot. Get your shit straight before you embarrass yourself. Oh wait.
hola me gustaria hacer unas preguntas sobre el motor 4age que hasta que grados aguantan la valvulas al cambiarles los levas por unos de mayor grado como unos Intake 272 / Exhausts 272 siendo el motor totalmente stock. quiero hacer armar un auto para carreras de aceleracion y circuito mas adelante , me pueden ayudar amigos saludos desde panama
Dude there are plenty of other 4age's on youtube with far more rpms than this...this sounds like it goes 8K and has a stroker kit for the power :/ amazing machine but still not even close to 10k...Search for short course FSW.There is a guy with a trueno that sure loves revving...look for it and then tell me if this is 10k...Peace!
"Make sure to rev up to 11,000 rpm."
"It feels natural. It's running the way I want it to. I'm all fired up. This is my new Eight-Six!"
This engine can actually go to 12,000 rpm ;) all from a 1.6 liter...Toyota is the best.
But the engine you're thinking about was killed at around 12.300 RPM.
rev limiter 15000 ?
red88alert as bunta said, you can rev it to 11000rpm
but this one only has 16v, not silvertop. They do have same horsepower rating.
13000 RPM
Initial d anyone
Yep.
you mean everyone? XD
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I think the engine builders did right by publishing +10,000rpms. I'm sorry, I wont say much, but after reading some of the stuff below; I think the builders should put some of the guys straight, with regards to the RPM out of control specs....:)
If what I read was true, your peak power should be between 9200 and 9400, with some tweaking it actually will cross 11,000rpm, but without any gains, really. There are also issues we found after running for extended periods over 11,200 on a one mile course. Yes, it did hit the rev limiter at 11,600rpm in fifth gear, but with zero grunt. With that project we did not use the 4A casting. You guys know what I'm talking about.
The motor runs really nice, sounds great. There are cams available to move the peak up, without pulling back the timing significantly, but they are very hard on the valvetrain.
I enjoyed listening to the cip. Thank you
really love the sound, especially on a straight @ max
i think im in love
other 16v 4A-GE produces 240hp @ 10,500 rpm. amazing, though. it sounded even better than the TRD 20v blacktop of Tsuchiya and it reminds me of the F430 Scuderia's engine.
4age 20v trd type ae101
Do these cars need race fuel or can they do like 94 octane at 10000 RPM??
+Apexseals do you think they can run on pump fuel though?
+William Su I doubt it. They probably run on some sort of race fuel to lessen the chance of knock or something worse happening.
+wackomanx can use regular high octane pump fuel :)
Ratchet Gang Oh cool so it runs well on premium gas station gas
94 is a little rough, id go 100
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So what was his time?
someday,someone will put a 12k rpm 4AGE into a motorbike and it will go faster than a MotoGP bike
An AE86 being driven and not drifted? About bloody time. :-)
@weeeeeeee41 no, pro street features the track. Tsukuba was created decades ago.
This ls the sound of takumi's ae86
Accept instead of the 20v it’s the 86 old 16v fully built
Kaybe Vang he got a fully built group a 20 valve 4age silvertop that revved up to 11k rpm if i remember correctly
Thanks man. Now you made my mind much more clear.
4age 16v on ITB's is still my favourite sound
oh the sound!
none of that was 10k, not even 9k.. im sure it can do it, limiter was probably set low that day to 85-86
do the math...230hp from 1.6 litres. and yes Form. Atl. motors making around 240. The price and work that goes into making these motors race-worthy increases exponentially with anything above 170-180
DORIDORISSSAAAANN perhaps is sssstill ssssmiLing ^__^ thinking of this run...
Look up the term "geared" in the dictionary.
you will see in there "To adjust or adapt so as to make suitable" or something to that effect.
A cam that is "geared for high rpm" is the same as one that is "tuned for high rpm" or "designed for and intended for high rpm". Are we getting the picture now?
Also, in a twin cam engine you can dial in the lobe separation to make it wider or narrower with adjustable cam gears, making it literally "geared for low/high rpm"
Just throwing that out there.
11.000RPM = 240HP = PROJECT D EDITION
Not Project D edition. This engine was from TRD.
1:yes it does
2: asymmetrical, and symmetrical cams, both have symmetry, all the parts you described make up what sort of symmetry the cam has, please go read a grade 8 math text book
3: never said that at all!
4: so being raised by a family of mechanics who have been mechanics for 3 generations, used to get bored on school holidays so i would sit around my father's shop reading book or actually helping repair cars/build engines
5: do you even know my corolla, and who are mcm, i don't watch rap
Ahh perfect Daily Driver
4age 16v+20v change head 1.8 and piston
really sounds like NFSC's GT-S, me likey
i've seen many other 86's on tsukuba that sound like 12k to me...maybe just my idea.
Dude I pee’d so much while watching this¡¡¡
Maybe...Still it doesn't sound to me that way...It's true i don't!i have friends with 20v(16v are very rare here in greece).I my self have a peugeot 306 with 16v engine from a saxo.Preety much stock.But i'm a big fan of the 4age, watched videos for countless hours and i've seen others revving much higher to my ear.Still i may be wrong...Didn't want to offend this holly engine in any way ;) Cheers!
What ecu do you use? i can´t find a ecu for my ae92, i have a cams 306º but with original ecu e can´t do nathing
love them high notes...!!its sound soooo sweet ..!! n yes i believe it is revin around 10,000rpm.....!!! n no i dont own a AE86 with a 4age....!!!!but...... i do drive a 2000 model dc2 type r...n it sound as sweet as that 4age...wn the vtec kicks in that is...XD
@piston335 no, they used a special "5AG" crank with a bigger stroke (83 X 83mm)made only by HKS, then bored the block to 83(from 81) and used a CA18DE piston(there bigger) so the overall displacement increased to 1796cc. GOSH!! theres a whole 4.5AG, 5AG, 5.5AG, 7AG AND 8AG. they all involve increasing the displacement size for more torque and power!!!! almost all AE86 N2 machines don't have 4AG's anymore (only a few)
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It could be that, or it could also be that most of this videos audio was taken from inside the cockpit while the other was mostly shot from outside.
Interesting what this engine specification?
Formula atlantic engine specs:
Cylinder Firing Order: 1-3-4-2
Engine Bore: 81mm (3.189")
Engine Stroke: 77mm (3.031")
Oil Viscosity: 40 or 50 weight, depending on air temperature
Fuel Octane Rating: 108 prefered
Operating Oil Temperature: 200º-230º F, above 230º there is power loss
Operating Water Temperaure: 180º-200º F
Oil Pump Operating Pressure: 80-90 lbs
Spark Plug: Champion C55C or C57C
Compression Ratio: 12.7:1 maximum
Intake Camshaft Timing: 102º Lobe Center
Exhaust Camshaft Timing: 102º Lobe Center
Intake Valve Lash (cold): .012"
Exhaust valve Lash (cold): .013"
Ignition Timing: 28º BTDC @ 2,000rpm
Clearances:
Valve Lifter to Bore: .0005" - .0028"
Camshaft Journal: .0014" - .0028"
Piston Ring Gap (#1): .016" - .018"
(#2): .015" - .017"
Piston to Cylinder Wall: .0045" - 0050"
Wrist Pin Diameter: 19mm (.7480")
Wrist Pin: .0006" - .0015"
Main Bearing: .0020" - .0028"
Thrust Bearing: .003: - .006"
Con Rod Large End Diameter: 1.7726" - 1.7716"
Con Rod Bearing: .0025" - .0030"
Con Rod Side: .008" - .012"
Crankshaft Nose Diameter: .9842" - .9834"
Crankshaft Main Journal Diameter: 1.8897" - 1.8892"
Crankshaft Con Rod Journal Diameter: 1.6525" - 1.6520"
Pilot Bushing ID: .678" - .676"
Input Shaft Diameter: .669" - .668"
Cylinder Head Flatness: Within .001"
Valve Spring Height (installed): 1.425" - 1.398"
Valve spring Pressure (installed): 50 psi @ installed height
Final Combustion Chamber Volume: 33.9 cc minimum per cylinder, including Cylinder Head Gasket.
Bolt Torque Specs:
Crankshaft Front Pulley: 60ft/lbs
Camshaft Pulley: 35 ft/lbs
Idler Pulley: 27 ft/lbs
Crankshaft Main Bearing: 47 ft/lbs
Cylinder Head: 43 ft/lbs
Flywheel: 85 ft/lbs
Connecting Rod: 45 ft/lbs
Motorsport Channell That's what i call enginering
@@TheALNURO1 how much torque
Car going 11,000 rpm at 230hp. How much gas can you save? The whole week of daily driving. Joke. Lol
i was wrong, i though the forma motor had 300hp but its 240hp
the CBY AE86 is faster, it has a 5.5AG engine with 255HP and won by alot in the most recent hot version AE86 N2 race. it also got under a minute(like 59:012 or something)
Maybe you are right...but still the sound at the peak rpm doesn't seem like 10k :/ i am a musician so my ears are preety sensitive to these things...But i may be wrong...Maybe the sound of the camera is crappy and has distorted frequencies...
so looks like Takumi got another engine,and went to professional races
tvis has a set of butterflies that change the volume and the velocity of the air that the engine is using. it has nothing to do with valve timing
You probably don't own a 4age powered car with mod's.
I run 9000 with 40mm carburators on a 4age, and this rev's a lot more then mine for sure. And, i know the specs of this car, and í am really sure it can revs even over the 10.000rpm.
this thing is very grippy
man 230hp all motor, insane but not as epic as the Atlantic motor
funny for Vtec to work it uses the base VVTi that toyota has (if memory serves me right BMW 1st introduced this in the 70's) plus also abit extra to get more, but heres the funny thing, this engines has no vvti system, its geared for high rpm, Honda needs a computer to get to 9'500 rpm, Toyota uses Carbies!
i didn't mention it as gears or gear ratios, its a common term in the automotive industry, how do you know what profile they are running, they might be running a Symmetrical cam profile! yes it makes stuff all power off the line, but how often are you start stop driving in a race!, you don't need to have the power at low rpm, you want an engine that is more geared for high end rpm, specially in drifting!, please you go read a book, you clearly got your info off wikipedia
actually have valve timing as well but it is just different
1: depends on where you're from,
2: symmetry has everything to do with cam shafts, shit even wikipedia has this right!
3: depending on the type of drifting you are doing, you can go either way with how the motor is geared up!
4: and you think i don't understand terminology, you have no clear concept of what actually goes on with engines for racing, you are just copying what your mates say!
Call me crazy or scrutinize me for this, I don’t care. But I really wonder what it would be like to bolt a turbo to one of these engines
Hasselgren did a 1-off turbo build, however it does not achieve 10k rpm. Thats the pay off. Its maxes out at 9k. Any higher risks predetonation.
@@oneplumpboi5317 Damn, well that’s unfortunate. But even still 9k is pretty high in the RPM range
It does seem that way, but actually in that vid he's running less power and less aggressive cams. What makes it seem like he is revving higher is the fact that he has a 4.1 final drive ratio, so he's actually just revving longer, not higher, in this vid the car has a much shorter final drive and therefore revs up faster per gear.
ALL OF THAT FOR 230 HP!?!?! Talk about a waste... I've seen stock V6 motors make wayyy more.
Do you even realize how light weight the hachi-roku is?
And stock V6s are known for their reliability. Oh wait. And this is an god damn stock boxer engine.
@@underated_username7567 That's a heavily modified inline-four, not a stock boxer engine. Also, a stock V6 is a damn sight more reliable than the fucking 12K Rpm 16V 4-pot. Get your shit straight before you embarrass yourself. Oh wait.
isnt 240hp detuned when it sells to public?
I wonder what gearbox hes running behind that 4age, surely cant be a T50 box
Tsukuba isn't the track you can floor that AE86. Drive that in Nurburgring and you'll see.
huh? 230 is impressive! How much hp do you think an NA Atlantic motor makes? (hint: it's around 240)
Anybody know the final gear on this transmission???
did you install a new TakumiMeter for better revving
If only my Hachi Roku sounded that nice. Seriously I could fall asleep to that sound.
this thing looks mad!
that doesn't sound like 10k to me...may be 8.5-9 !
this doesnt sound 10.000 at all...8500-9000 maybe
thanks man i know now i kinda looked it up and researched it. So now i know what it is
What kind of Mirrors are those on this AE86 levin?
looks like it's running around 1:04-1:05 not bad for an all motor 16v
did u this track is off pro street thumbs if u know it
its not single cam they called 1.6 gti twincam dohc
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! gotta love thos itb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this is NOT 10k rpm...not even 9k...
nope, its rocking the CBY 5.5AG stroker...so its ~1.8L
Is that Wheel HP or at the crank on an engine dyno?
Sounds sweet !!
fuk yea pure n.a power 4bangerhere we come
if you find any video of those, make sure to send me a pm :P
1:32 Cars to Fast for the cameraman!
@djsnixz it's probably GANADOR SUPER MIRROR
Is there a link to see the exact specs?
sounds like a type-r motor
OMG 14.200?? I would love to see a video of such an engine ^_^
hola me gustaria hacer unas preguntas sobre el motor 4age que hasta que grados aguantan la valvulas al cambiarles los levas por unos de mayor grado como unos Intake 272 / Exhausts 272 siendo el motor totalmente stock. quiero hacer armar un auto para carreras de aceleracion y circuito mas adelante , me pueden ayudar amigos saludos desde panama
Solo te puedo decir una cosa: Mantenlo en las 10.600 y estarás bien XD
Make sure you rev up to 11,000 rpm
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This is not a stock engine right? ir it is that 4agez engine? please tell me :P
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この音がたまらない‼️
"behold the voice of God"
lol forza 4
Is the car street legal in the U.S with the engine?
Ryujin The engine isn't the problem. The massive front splitter and lack of exhaust muffler might be something to worry about though
this engine is just pure petrolheard eargasm ...
This sounds so amazing... But what track is this?
Tsukuba
No doubt that this is takumi's engine
No
and americans be like... ummm 500hp at 6,500rpm from a 1238473298472398754.23 litre engine lol
Leslie H. no shit
More like 700hp or 800hp from a 4.8L v8 turning 12k rpm.
Don't doubt the power of a small block chevy.
Win bro hahah
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awesome, know this track from forza :P
trexeater101 It's Tsukuba, whats not to love about it.
proof you don't need horsepower to be fast!
the 20V engines have VVTi the 16V 4AGEs don't
hachiroku ftw
Iam sure this one, dont got that. Because got single carburetors.
they have tvis its about the same thing
Dude there are plenty of other 4age's on youtube with far more rpms than this...this sounds like it goes 8K and has a stroker kit for the power :/ amazing machine but still not even close to 10k...Search for short course FSW.There is a guy with a trueno that sure loves revving...look for it and then tell me if this is 10k...Peace!