When I saw this car the first time on the Geneva Motor Show in 1989 I ordered 1 when back in Holland. After 3 years of waiting and many visits to the Zagato factory I collected the one Harry tested.This SZ never saw rain during my 25 years of ownership. Highly recommended ! Rob
Lol. That's probably why it's still in one piece! Appalling handling, terrifying snap oversteer, especially in the wet. Most of them have waved goodbye to dear old Blighty, usually after disappearing off the road, usually backwards, with the horror-stricken drivers frozen look of disbelief etched on their face!
I didn't care what anyone said, when this car was launched, I loved it then and I still love it now. It was just such a daring and different look, I thought it was amazing looking machine. As for that engine too, the Alfa V6 from that era is one of the best sounding engines of all time. Thanks for reminding me of this car Harry.
That V6 version, with Bosch Motronic injection, instead older L-Jetronic, was a masterpice. I owned both versions, on 75 V6 3.0 America (188 PS) and on the latest version of 75 (Model year 1990) with 192 PS. When I was driving the latest 75 I was smiling all the time
One of my absolute favorite cars of all time. Whenever people call them ugly I just say "yep" in the hopes that prices won't skyrocket before I get a chance to buy one
Its been a long time coming for a decent UA-cam review of this wonderful motor car. I'm biased, as I now own one, and I can testify to the accuracy of Harry's assessment. It ain't quick by modern day standards, but in one sense that's its great advantage as on the road it FEELS quick and you can happily row it along as it handles rough road surfaces, tightening corners, accompanied to the best engine and exhaust tone this side of a Ferrari. Its also remarkably refined on motorways with very little wind noise being so slippery. Drawbacks? Long armed short leg seating position, but you get used to it, and the brakes feel their vintage. I've used mine for several European road trips and it makes a great GT. They're roughly the same price now as when they were launched 30 years ago - and the radical styling still looks contemporary. Arguably, with all the speed cameras on the road, the package is even more relevant now....
@Viktor Sligo the 75 is a beautiful wedge, this one is an ugly wedge. That said, i've always liked many of the individual design elements of the SZ, and i think it looks great from the front and the back. From the sides it looks like a dodgem, or a cartoon car or something. Eew.
Alfa SZ is ageing so well, well ahead of its time and if you look at this along side the Alfa Romeo Zagato Junior you can understand it’s proportions !
I bloody love these. I remember vividly where one used to park in the early 2000s and I used to detour to drive by it when I was in the area. They do have an exotic feel, and in that condition with those miles I'm astonished it's only £60ks...
I saw one for sale, many years ago, in a small carsales showroom, in Kew, London. Why oh Why do manufacturers not have the confidence to design something as radical as this, Just love the looks of the thing. Oh my God a simply sublime Harry review.
I had one. You forgot to mention the high G-forces you can corner the car, for such an high built GT. The underground is flat and reaches like a plane wing(only opposite way) under pressure brings the wind to press the car more on the street, the faster you drive the more it get "sucked" on the street. Works only real good in speed over 160-245 km/h. The hydraulic dampers are not for use faster than 50km/h, in reality they are made to park the car or drive a very bumpy road but very slow, not meant for driving too far or any faster than walking speed. If you really want the car to work many years. The fact with the huge wind screen is to mention, that it is very easy to crack the glas, just by wrong cornering and taking something that is 10cm higher with a speed of 50km/h the car jumps (you sayd it in your own words, it lay very good on the street. The ground idea comes from the IMSA Alfa 75. The only difference to the Alfa 75 QV are the 15 HP increase from 195 to 210 HP. Reached by using sharper cams. This is all the difference you can buy a tuning kit that brings the engine very easy to 240 HP. Which feels then exactly right for that car. To all idiots to sold the car only 2 years after coming on the market for around 50.000 $ this will be the last "bigger" Alfa for ever. The transaxle principle that made Alfa big and so loved, you can enjoy on this car. That's way it is the last real Alfa of post WW2 and more the last RWD Alfa even made under Fiat, it was the last Alfa to be built as such. The market will stay stable. As Alfa seller I sold 2 both in where delivered in 1990. It's a nice car and must be driven. I made 20.000 km in the first 3 months. Crazy how it can turn more heads then any Ferrari.
@@treyquattro No, like for most Zagatos the eras pass away and their cars become more younger and actual than the others; but this one wasn't drowed by Zagato
One of my favorite cars ever - there was one for sale here in California recently for $90k..... A worthy successor to the GTV6 - one of which I had - pretty much the same suspension (deDion with rear triangle/center bushing & engine) but what a body.
Sorry for my English, it's not good enough to go into details, but they are not the same suspensions as the GTV 6 and all the other Alfa Transaxals, only the general scheme is identical. In fact the SZ has a completely different front suspension, with the spring instead of the torsion bar, and the De Dion is modified at the rear. Everything was taken from the latest versions of the 75 racing cars. If Alfa had transferred this suspensions to regular production cars (aside from the costs compared to a cheaper front-wheel drive or rear-wheel drive with independent suspension) it could have continued to produce fantastic rear-wheel drive cars for years. Sz suspensions and handling were tuned by Sandro Munari, one of the most famous rally champions of the 60s, 70s and early 80s on Lancia Fulvia and Stratos and FIAT 131
Only Alfa could have the balls to make something so ridiculous looking, and yet so loveable. Once seen it's a car that can never be forgotten. It pushes your design thinking to its limits and, as always with cars so extreme, future cars took styling cues from it. And who else makes V6 engines sound so delightful. Really enjoyed this video Harry. Thanks
It's not my preference with respect to looks, but Harry's dissection of all of the features and historical context makes for an engaging video, as always!
Also the videos are always >50% driving of the car, with commentary from a man who knows his stuff, and yet Doug DeMuro's squealing about the lining of the glovebox gets 10x the views. Says plenty about motoring "enthusiasts".
For a long time i was thinking abojt buying a Giulia perhaps some time in the future when it's aged and upgraded. I went to a car dealer about to buy a merc but i saw a Giulia there and i literally fell in love and had to buy it. It was the same feeling as when there is a big time rockstar or a beautiful model in the same space as you, it just popped out from the mass...
I 100% agree, it is a car that looks way WAY better in the flesh than on video or in pictures. A guy in the next village to me had one and driving past it was STUNNING.
"the world needs more great alfas" i think that's why even though the company history is full of bad decisions, a ruthless corporate like marchionne still decided to pour money into an alfa revival.
@Lassi Kinnunen They always half-ass it and never quite make the investment the brand needs, actually. The new Giulia is exactly what the brand has needed for the past 20 or 30 years. The Stelvio too, although I loathe SUVs it's what the market wants. Now they need a new Giulietta that's actually good and not an upjumped Fiat and they're on the right track. Spending *a little* money on Alfa and ending up with products like the Brera, which is supposed to be a sporty coupe but they made it with basically a Vauxhall chassis and a GM engine to cut costs, is what was killing it.
As per Clarkson, real petrol heads own an Alfa.......though TG admitted the pain of ownership is real! I wish there was a dealer in NWA AR , would take the risk on Giulia.
In a parallel universe, Alfa and Lancia would be BMW and AUDI but I guess in this world they did not fit the profile. For those who say Alfa where rebadged FIAT's in the 90's and 00's too me, they are very very wrong. even 147 were miles better in corners than any car of its day. They were engineered to be so.
I dunno if You will see this comment, but I think a large part of that, was due to the thumbnail, u need the bright car to be centre stage and clear and maybe switch up the title!👌
That car came out of nowhere and just smashed it. I remember as a kid when it came out, fell in love straight away, this and the bmw z1. So timeless designs that look modern even if presented nowadays for first time.
This car was one of my favourite ever cars. Just to let you know how special it was/is, a business colleague and I drove one from Yorkshire to Rimini and it was absolutely superb. We got stopped by the police on the autostrada just outside Bolgna and the only reason they stopped us was to look at the car. Bonnet up, full walk around etc. They spoke no English and we spoke no Italian but we understood perfectly that we each respected the car and the manufacturer. If I had the money these days I would have another immediately.
Fell in love with these when they used one for advertising Clarion car stereos in the car magazines back in the day, absolutely gorgeous.... one day ❤😍
Love it; owning one since six years. Still fairly quick, corners nicely, and simply a cool ride. The pump in the trunk is for the front lift, indeed similar to modern days Lambos. But it’s not to change the suspension, it’s really just for ground clearance.Btw, these cars are currently a bargain!
"There is no excellent beauty that hath not some strangeness in the proportion." Never does that phrase ring truer than when I'm looking at this car. A truly superb and quintessentially Italian dream car.
Back in the late 90s/early 2000s when the Delta integrale and SZ became my realistic dream cars once they were 25 years old and allowed to be imported to the US, they looked like they would be affordable. 26 years came and went, and I was wrong. Still, I love the way the SZ looks and sounds.
Just wanted to say I love these reviews and share the fact that I once saw one of these but had completely forgotten. I went to share this video with my dad, and despite having watched the video, it wasn’t till I pasted the link over to him that I got the memory back. We were sat in a cafe in Spain, it was a really sunny evening next to a little road. I would have been about four and one of these parked right in front of us. We both agreed that it was ugly and then sat there staring at it for half an hour anyway.
I love the SZ. I remember driving one around Wimbledon with a chum of mine who was an Alfa dealer in 1990. That's a great engine/chassis. I later owned a GTV6 and 75 because of it. Best noise of any car, until I got an F355.
In a recent SZ video, it mentioned ‘over 1g’. So I did lots of research, and in 1989 it achieved, over 1.2g. Today’s highest is 1.26g, but on today’s rubber it has done…..1.4g. To put this in context, the highest Ferrari is LaFerrari at 1.16
The SZ had not long been released and I was at upper school. I am now in my 40s. Chris Packham of springwatch fame ( the really wIld show) came to our school to do a talk on wildlife and he arrived in an SZ . Chris and that car became legends to me that day. Still love the look of that car as much to day as I did then. Thanks for the review Harry. Fantastic!
Amazing beautiful car 🚗 When it came out, this car graced the front of all the magazines for months, maybe years. It was beautiful then an beautiful now. Better than Ferrari, Aston Martin, Porsche and Lamborghini from 30 years ago. Good video 📹 thanks 😊
Considering most, if not all, Alfas introduced after '77 weren't exactly eye catching, I don't see what everyone was complaining so hard about... It's quite fetching
Yea I agree. I Rememeber seeing one behind park Lane in the late 90s or early 0s and asking my dad why it looks so boxy and who would buy that But it actually looks quite nice now
Loved it when it came out - hasn’t changed since then. We had a 75 back then - still one of my favorite cars. Alfas from that period of time have something special you can only figure out if you drive them.
When i used to live in Wallington,which i presume is now classed as South London,a bloke who owned a restaurant there had one of these and i thought back then what a lovely looking car,nothing's changed,still looks gorgeous.
You would expect a car enthusiast, collector and journalist of this caliber to know, that one should wait a sec with the key in the pre-ignition position before turning the engine over.
In my top 20 cars. Used to see a guy driving one of these to work daily. I used to give him a wave just because...and at a similar time my Dad had a 75 3.0 Veloce so was brand loyal.
Is it me or are those wonder headlights an idea that was later seen in the Bugatti Chiron? I think so! Love the car....always been a dreamcar to me....so brutal....it's Brutalist design indeed and looks incredible! Keep safe all!
One of the best cars ever made! 80's race car turned exotic sports car. The design is so original, a bit cyber-punk like it belongs in the movie Akira, dodging bullets through the streets of Neo-Tokyo
Always wanted to drive one of these. Love the SZ: My perfect three car garage of 80s performance cars would be, Porsche 911, Lotus Esprit, and the Alfa Romeo SZ. It would make a great addition to the Harry's Garage collection, but please, I beg of you, don't sacrifice the Esprit. It's my favourite car in your garage.
@@Leptospirosi It's more a case of missing the 7 figure bank balance I'd need to purchase one really, though to be honest I'm not much of a Ferrari guy anyway. For the money they command, there's so many other cars to choose from that I'd enjoy more. My ultimate dream car would be the Lexus LFA, not that I could ever afford one, but it would be what I'd choose over a Ferrari if I were ever in a position to buy one.
When this first appeared at the Toronto Auto Show, I detested the appearance but a day or two later, it somehow clicked and I actually returned to the show just to see the SZ again. It's difficult to put into words but sometimes we understand a design and love it but can't find any clear, logical justification that could persuade others to feel likewise. It's good to see so much appreciation for the old thing here. I suppose its time has finally come.
I had a 1989 75 3.0 cloverleaf, a four door, 5 seat saloon, same running gear, 188 bhp I believe and that achieved 7.0s to 60 and saw an indicated 137 (on a private road of course), book figures for that were 7.3s and 137mph. That engine sound in the vid did bring those days back to me. I also used to get as little over 30 mpg per tank out of it. A lovely machine both of them. I'd say those specs were a little below par in the magazine.
This was on my wish list for so long. Had the chance to buy one when they were sub £30k and am still kicking myself about it. Epic - thanks for the vid Harry..!
For those who think it’s ugly, I think the convertible is even worse! Love the interior and the wheels...oh and the engine. I wonder what Pininfarina thought of it.
Harry, your knowledge on cars is just stunning. You have forgotten more than I’ll ever know. Luv your no nonsense, honest review of the cars on your channel. One of the best all cars channels on UA-cam😎
Bad times, grounding out a 5k miles minter!! Great to see a Busso V6 on the channel, that distinctive sound won't be heard of again in modern design. I'll keep hold of my Busso for as long as possible. The SZ would be a dream garage car for sure, it's inboard brakes blow my mind however!!
Yeah I did some reading after and noticed the 75 had inboard too. Last era where brakes were not all wheel mounted I suppose. Must be an utter pain in the backside when the discs start to go... I did read some suggestion that braking is better when it's inboard but that seems to be less important than ease of access these days or the difference is so small that it isn't worth the pain.
Many many years ago I was a auto motive technician working in an Alfa dealer it was in the 33, 75, 164, and 155 era. Every so often we would get a SZ in for a service and it was always a treat if you serviced and road tested one. In my opinion a beautiful car, it was just so different from the norm and 30 years later it still is! The V6 Alfa engine was a bit of a nightmare to work on especially in the 164 clover leaf the cam belt was over a day to change but what an engine it was, the sound was amazing. Alfa's were not the best engineered cars but when you drove one it didn't matter, you soon forgot about all there imperfections and just enjoyed the way they drove. Also all Alfa drivers nod/wave to each other on the road when they cross path's, a bit like biker's do, it's kind of a secret club which I like.
@@schumifannreins295 Probably cheaper for a low production run. Building the tooling to press metal panels is very expensive. You can also do sharp radius edges more easily in composite than steel.
Great vid, great car. Whilst it’s ‘slow’ by today’s standards, for me I think it’s perfect performance for a road car. Listening to it being wrung out as Harry pulls away, it’s a beautiful V6 howl but also just the right speed of manual shift. Enough of a break during the shift to really enjoy the next gear when it comes. Not the bah/bah/bah of modem seamless etc. Massive 👍
From the moment the sz was seen in car magazine’s It was a car of my dreams and I still love it. I’ve always been a Alfa lover from my first sud ❤️ great video 😊
Always loved these when I was growing up in the 90s. Definitely one on my dream ugly/beautiful car garage list - along with the Aston V8 Zagato and a Bristol Beaufighter.
Thank you Harry. Unbelievably, I’ve spent the weekend trolling back through UA-cam looking for videos on the SZ and, while there are a few good ones, there aren’t that many. I was wishing that there was a Harry’s Garage review. Then my wish came true this morning when my UA-cam notification popped up. Amazing. I hope you do buy it so it can be in the background in all your videos. There is one for sale in Australia at the moment that I am dreaming about because, as you say, what a special car to own. Thanks again for the wonderful review of such an amazing and significant car.
Utterly beautiful. Incredible that this was produced in 1989! I'd forgotten about this one, and how it just blew my mind back in the day. Absolutely nothing else like it.
Go on Harry, buy it. We'll all love you for it. I remember the Car mag article at the time. It looked nuts then but sort of works now. A truly cool car. Thanks very much.
Great video Harry and always loved these. I met Giorgio Pianta who was the chassis engineer for this, Alfa Touring cars and the Fiat/Lancia rally cars and he was an absolute gentleman.
Wasn't Safrane biturbo the one with yet another engine borrowed from Nissan, the RB26DETT this time? I know Renault borrowed VG30DE and SR20 for hot Clio variants..
@@Leonidae The Safrane Biturbo has a PRV V6 engine. (Jointly developed by Peugeot, Renault and Volvo which gives the acronym). Safrane Biturbo has the same engine as in Alpine GTA Turbo, but further developed. The base engine, naturally aspirated, was also used in Renault 25, Volvo 760, Citroen XM, Peugeot 605, and many others. No Nissan connection with this one.
@@gavhunt5389 they look alike around the windscreen but the Hyena is based on the Integrale. I prefer the brutish looks and the Busso V6 of the Alfa 🍀😁
This has zero to do whit the Hyena, the Hyena was made because Zagato didn't got money to built the Alfa Zeta as limited edition, so he made years later the Hyena. This was an 100% Alfa and intern design studio affair, starting from the 164 like rear lights etc. Unfortunately Alfa like always under Fiat, managed only 15 years later to bring the 3 front light design to serie. The car was all about to see the moves of the market in kind of design over all. The rest was taken from the IMSA 75 idea and the Alfa 75 QV und nine with just "sharper" cams to reach 15 HP more. I lost my health, when selling Alfas in South Germany. If Alfa Italy or Alfa Germany, both are not good for the future of the brand. I hate both till today. They will fu.. around till Agnelli family's Exor Holding N.V. will loose too much investor money and then the will sell Alfa and Maserati to German or Jspanese. Maybe it is time, as Italian I never thought it a better step for the brand to get sold to non Italian brand, but since last decade I changed my mind and think this is the only way, I löst my pacience after all, and that mean really they are not to cure.
The camera position from behind the driver looking forwards is brilliant for the viewer , gives a great idea of the cars movement relative to the drivers inputs and a sense of speed , hope you can include that in future videos
When I saw this car the first time on the Geneva Motor Show in 1989 I ordered 1 when back in Holland. After 3 years of waiting and many visits to the Zagato factory I collected the one Harry tested.This SZ never saw rain during my 25 years of ownership. Highly recommended ! Rob
That what I would call successful asset liquidation. :)
Lol. That's probably why it's still in one piece! Appalling handling, terrifying snap oversteer, especially in the wet. Most of them have waved goodbye to dear old Blighty, usually after disappearing off the road, usually backwards, with the horror-stricken drivers frozen look of disbelief etched on their face!
Holy shit. Rob van dam
bugattieb110ss I doubt you’ve ever owned one. Or driven it
Mag ik eens mee rijden? Heb zelf een 75 gehad, was duur om te rijden, maar wel erg van genoten!
I didn't care what anyone said, when this car was launched, I loved it then and I still love it now. It was just such a daring and different look, I thought it was amazing looking machine. As for that engine too, the Alfa V6 from that era is one of the best sounding engines of all time.
Thanks for reminding me of this car Harry.
That V6 version, with Bosch Motronic injection, instead older L-Jetronic, was a masterpice. I owned both versions, on 75 V6 3.0 America (188 PS) and on the latest version of 75 (Model year 1990) with 192 PS. When I was driving the latest 75 I was smiling all the time
This car has two of my personal favourite traits: it's a crazy, unreasonable car from the late 80s and it's an Alfa Romeo.
you basically said the same thing twice lol
so you are an Italian that loves ugly cars
@@saidalas7763 ugly to you*
One of my absolute favorite cars of all time. Whenever people call them ugly I just say "yep" in the hopes that prices won't skyrocket before I get a chance to buy one
I was 14 when these were released. I thought they were fantastic then and still do now. Got one parked up in my dream garage 😁
One of my favourites as well.
in my dream garage, it is parked between my Lancia Stratos and BMW 2002 Turbo.
You are still 14 now
@Howard Hamlin excellent
You could have bought it on the "cheap" 20 years ago. ;)
Its been a long time coming for a decent UA-cam review of this wonderful motor car. I'm biased, as I now own one, and I can testify to the accuracy of Harry's assessment. It ain't quick by modern day standards, but in one sense that's its great advantage as on the road it FEELS quick and you can happily row it along as it handles rough road surfaces, tightening corners, accompanied to the best engine and exhaust tone this side of a Ferrari. Its also remarkably refined on motorways with very little wind noise being so slippery. Drawbacks? Long armed short leg seating position, but you get used to it, and the brakes feel their vintage. I've used mine for several European road trips and it makes a great GT. They're roughly the same price now as when they were launched 30 years ago - and the radical styling still looks contemporary. Arguably, with all the speed cameras on the road, the package is even more relevant now....
Harry ought to buy it, right?
The way car design has evolved over the last years, the SZ has rather grown on me.
@Viktor Sligo the 75 is a beautiful wedge, this one is an ugly wedge.
That said, i've always liked many of the individual design elements of the SZ, and i think it looks great from the front and the back. From the sides it looks like a dodgem, or a cartoon car or something. Eew.
Viktor Sligo opssospzsa
Alfa SZ is ageing so well, well ahead of its time and if you look at this along side the Alfa Romeo Zagato Junior you can understand it’s proportions !
I bloody love these. I remember vividly where one used to park in the early 2000s and I used to detour to drive by it when I was in the area. They do have an exotic feel, and in that condition with those miles I'm astonished it's only £60ks...
I have always loved this Vehicle.
I saw one for sale, many years ago, in a small carsales showroom, in Kew, London.
Why oh Why do manufacturers not have the confidence to design something as radical as this,
Just love the looks of the thing.
Oh my God a simply sublime Harry review.
Kent is not in London
love this car
My dream car EVER .....i like also the Alfa Romeo Montreal with the V8 ....
Oh yes. One of my favorite car. So bizarre ,so unique , so much love it.
I had one. You forgot to mention the high G-forces you can corner the car, for such an high built GT. The underground is flat and reaches like a plane wing(only opposite way) under pressure brings the wind to press the car more on the street, the faster you drive the more it get "sucked" on the street. Works only real good in speed over 160-245 km/h. The hydraulic dampers are not for use faster than 50km/h, in reality they are made to park the car or drive a very bumpy road but very slow, not meant for driving too far or any faster than walking speed. If you really want the car to work many years. The fact with the huge wind screen is to mention, that it is very easy to crack the glas, just by wrong cornering and taking something that is 10cm higher with a speed of 50km/h the car jumps (you sayd it in your own words, it lay very good on the street. The ground idea comes from the IMSA Alfa 75. The only difference to the Alfa 75 QV are the 15 HP increase from 195 to 210 HP. Reached by using sharper cams. This is all the difference you can buy a tuning kit that brings the engine very easy to 240 HP. Which feels then exactly right for that car. To all idiots to sold the car only 2 years after coming on the market for around 50.000 $ this will be the last "bigger" Alfa for ever. The transaxle principle that made Alfa big and so loved, you can enjoy on this car. That's way it is the last real Alfa of post WW2 and more the last RWD Alfa even made under Fiat, it was the last Alfa to be built as such. The market will stay stable. As Alfa seller I sold 2 both in where delivered in 1990. It's a nice car and must be driven. I made 20.000 km in the first 3 months. Crazy how it can turn more heads then any Ferrari.
It’s both ugly and beautiful at the same time. Incredibly unique and for that reason I love it.
like all Zagatos?
Like Bull Terriers
@@treyquattro No, like for most Zagatos the eras pass away and their cars become more younger and actual than the others; but this one wasn't drowed by Zagato
The French have a term for that: "jolie laide".
To appreciate beauty of the unique, the imperfect, the unusual , etc.
It's just different.
One of my favorite cars ever - there was one for sale here in California recently for $90k..... A worthy successor to the GTV6 - one of which I had - pretty much the same suspension (deDion with rear triangle/center bushing & engine) but what a body.
Sorry for my English, it's not good enough to go into details, but they are not the same suspensions as the GTV 6 and all the other Alfa Transaxals, only the general scheme is identical. In fact the SZ has a completely different front suspension, with the spring instead of the torsion bar, and the De Dion is modified at the rear. Everything was taken from the latest versions of the 75 racing cars. If Alfa had transferred this suspensions to regular production cars (aside from the costs compared to a cheaper front-wheel drive or rear-wheel drive with independent suspension) it could have continued to produce fantastic rear-wheel drive cars for years. Sz suspensions and handling were tuned by Sandro Munari, one of the most famous rally champions of the 60s, 70s and early 80s on Lancia Fulvia and Stratos and FIAT 131
9:27 sourced SZ wheel from the shop in Germany. Fun fact, Honda used Zagato designed Momo made wheel on NSX Type S. Exactly the same wheel.
Same with spoon mugen wheels
Only Alfa could have the balls to make something so ridiculous looking, and yet so loveable. Once seen it's a car that can never be forgotten. It pushes your design thinking to its limits and, as always with cars so extreme, future cars took styling cues from it. And who else makes V6 engines sound so delightful. Really enjoyed this video Harry. Thanks
Lovable?
It’s both ugly and slow so not sure exactly why it would be lovable
It’s literally the first Meme Car
It's not my preference with respect to looks, but Harry's dissection of all of the features and historical context makes for an engaging video, as always!
Also the videos are always >50% driving of the car, with commentary from a man who knows his stuff, and yet Doug DeMuro's squealing about the lining of the glovebox gets 10x the views. Says plenty about motoring "enthusiasts".
@@davidedney2323 Aaaaargh, PLEASE do not mention this name, the one we, enthousisats, should never say !
David Edney And now its time to give this car a Harry Score......
il Mostro! God, what a car! 30+ years later, and it’s still a stunner. Thank you, Harry
I've always had a soft-spot for the SZ, it's quite genuinely one of my favourite Alfas.
Very important bit of input, where your soft spots lay.
I hated this car until I saw it in a dealer showroom, from then on, I have loved it!
For a long time i was thinking abojt buying a Giulia perhaps some time in the future when it's aged and upgraded. I went to a car dealer about to buy a merc but i saw a Giulia there and i literally fell in love and had to buy it.
It was the same feeling as when there is a big time rockstar or a beautiful model in the same space as you, it just popped out from the mass...
I 100% agree, it is a car that looks way WAY better in the flesh than on video or in pictures. A guy in the next village to me had one and driving past it was STUNNING.
IT IS BEAUTIFUL
"the world needs more great alfas"
i think that's why even though the company history is full of bad decisions, a ruthless corporate like marchionne still decided to pour money into an alfa revival.
When you're run by the mafia, money is no issue
@Lassi Kinnunen They always half-ass it and never quite make the investment the brand needs, actually.
The new Giulia is exactly what the brand has needed for the past 20 or 30 years. The Stelvio too, although I loathe SUVs it's what the market wants. Now they need a new Giulietta that's actually good and not an upjumped Fiat and they're on the right track.
Spending *a little* money on Alfa and ending up with products like the Brera, which is supposed to be a sporty coupe but they made it with basically a Vauxhall chassis and a GM engine to cut costs, is what was killing it.
As per Clarkson, real petrol heads own an Alfa.......though TG admitted the pain of ownership is real! I wish there was a dealer in NWA AR , would take the risk on Giulia.
In a parallel universe, Alfa and Lancia would be BMW and AUDI but I guess in this world they did not fit the profile. For those who say Alfa where rebadged FIAT's in the 90's and 00's too me, they are very very wrong. even 147 were miles better in corners than any car of its day. They were engineered to be so.
@Lassi Kinnunen perfect reliable cars when correctly manutentioned by real (professional) mechanincs
I had 2 of them , the first i bought with 700km and sold it with 100.000km 4 years later . Best car i had in my life (i think)
Me, too.
I have one since 1999
Good choice Harry. When I made a video about an SZ I thought it would get a load of views, and yet it is one of my least popular episodes!
can't get enough content on the SZ / RZ, what I'd give for a couple of hours just to photograph one
I dunno if You will see this comment, but I think a large part of that, was due to the thumbnail, u need the bright car to be centre stage and clear and maybe switch up the title!👌
That car came out of nowhere and just smashed it. I remember as a kid when it came out, fell in love straight away, this and the bmw z1. So timeless designs that look modern even if presented nowadays for first time.
Finally Harry driving the legendary Busso!
This car was one of my favourite ever cars. Just to let you know how special it was/is, a business colleague and I drove one from Yorkshire to Rimini and it was absolutely superb. We got stopped by the police on the autostrada just outside Bolgna and the only reason they stopped us was to look at the car. Bonnet up, full walk around etc. They spoke no English and we spoke no Italian but we understood perfectly that we each respected the car and the manufacturer.
If I had the money these days I would have another immediately.
Stunning vehicle. I’m sure the front end was the inspiration for the later 159.
Fell in love with these when they used one for advertising Clarion car stereos in the car magazines back in the day, absolutely gorgeous.... one day ❤😍
Love it; owning one since six years. Still fairly quick, corners nicely, and simply a cool ride. The pump in the trunk is for the front lift, indeed similar to modern days Lambos. But it’s not to change the suspension, it’s really just for ground clearance.Btw, these cars are currently a bargain!
"There is no excellent beauty that hath not some strangeness in the proportion." Never does that phrase ring truer than when I'm looking at this car. A truly superb and quintessentially Italian dream car.
Back in the late 90s/early 2000s when the Delta integrale and SZ became my realistic dream cars once they were 25 years old and allowed to be imported to the US, they looked like they would be affordable. 26 years came and went, and I was wrong. Still, I love the way the SZ looks and sounds.
It's ALFAantastic. The V6 is a dream. The looks - hm, COOL! Love this car!
A windscreen replacement itself should cost a fortune. This is Citroen crazy design level here
No suprise.. Robert Opron was involved!
Richard Kelbe they an be purchased through specialist.
Ah! I wondered why I like it. Wouldn't spend 60k on it. It's not 55k better than my 96 3.0 GTV.
75 quid if your fully comp lol
There are companies that do vinyl protectors for windscreens that would prevent damage. So I'd of thought you fit something like that.
Just wanted to say I love these reviews and share the fact that I once saw one of these but had completely forgotten.
I went to share this video with my dad, and despite having watched the video, it wasn’t till I pasted the link over to him that I got the memory back. We were sat in a cafe in Spain, it was a really sunny evening next to a little road. I would have been about four and one of these parked right in front of us. We both agreed that it was ugly and then sat there staring at it for half an hour anyway.
It's absolutely magnificent looking
I remember these when they were first announced back in the day. Still a wonderful looking car today.
I love the SZ. I remember driving one around Wimbledon with a chum of mine who was an Alfa dealer in 1990. That's a great engine/chassis. I later owned a GTV6 and 75 because of it. Best noise of any car, until I got an F355.
In a recent SZ video, it mentioned ‘over 1g’. So I did lots of research, and in 1989 it achieved, over 1.2g. Today’s highest is 1.26g, but on today’s rubber it has done…..1.4g. To put this in context, the highest Ferrari is LaFerrari at 1.16
Always loved it for its whackiness, that front is just epic
The SZ had not long been released and I was at upper school. I am now in my 40s. Chris Packham of springwatch fame ( the really wIld show) came to our school to do a talk on wildlife and he arrived in an SZ . Chris and that car became legends to me that day. Still love the look of that car as much to day as I did then. Thanks for the review Harry. Fantastic!
Took me about 20 years, but it's starting to grow on me.
Absolutely my favourite car in terms of style, I had the chance to buy one for 13gs back in the day and passed. Not one of my best decisions
been waiting for another Alfa review, and this was just perfect, love this car
Amazing beautiful car 🚗
When it came out, this car graced the front of all the magazines for months, maybe years.
It was beautiful then an beautiful now.
Better than Ferrari, Aston Martin, Porsche and Lamborghini from 30 years ago.
Good video 📹 thanks 😊
When they relesed it I thought it was horrid. Now it looks kinda nice actually.
No wonder...with today's maxed out flashy design language car manufacturers have... up untill 2000 were pure elegance:)) in many cases :))
Considering most, if not all, Alfas introduced after '77 weren't exactly eye catching, I don't see what everyone was complaining so hard about... It's quite fetching
It looks like a big CRX
Yea I agree. I Rememeber seeing one behind park Lane in the late 90s or early 0s and asking my dad why it looks so boxy and who would buy that
But it actually looks quite nice now
I think it's still ugly but it's fantastic at the same time! I would have one for sure!
This is one of my dream cars. I remember when it came out. I saw one go by once on a trip to Europe. Thanks.
I must remember not to tell my wife she has a “distinctive” face.
Zagato designs rarely look good on camera.
Brave Man if you do!
Hi Charles!
calicostrawberry Oh, hello!
Lol!
Loved it when it came out - hasn’t changed since then. We had a 75 back then - still one of my favorite cars. Alfas from that period of time have something special you can only figure out if you drive them.
When i used to live in Wallington,which i presume is now classed as South London,a bloke who owned a restaurant there had one of these and i thought back then what a lovely looking car,nothing's changed,still looks gorgeous.
You would expect a car enthusiast, collector and journalist of this caliber to know, that one should wait a sec with the key in the pre-ignition position before turning the engine over.
In my top 20 cars. Used to see a guy driving one of these to work daily. I used to give him a wave just because...and at a similar time my Dad had a 75 3.0 Veloce so was brand loyal.
God this car sounds perfect. Music to my ears!
This is one of the greatest Alfa’s Harry just get it!!!
Don’t even think about it
Yup, this thing will only skyrocket in price like the Delta Integrale. Oooh imagine those two in your garage?!
Vince de Simone, it’s already priced at the level of a Delta Evo II. 60k Euros...
@@Vincenzo-wn1or It has already skyrocked in price.
Is it me or are those wonder headlights an idea that was later seen in the Bugatti Chiron? I think so! Love the car....always been a dreamcar to me....so brutal....it's Brutalist design indeed and looks incredible! Keep safe all!
Paint finish like a welder's bench
One of the best cars ever made! 80's race car turned exotic sports car. The design is so original, a bit cyber-punk like it belongs in the movie Akira, dodging bullets through the streets of Neo-Tokyo
Always wanted to drive one of these. Love the SZ: My perfect three car garage of 80s performance cars would be, Porsche 911, Lotus Esprit, and the Alfa Romeo SZ. It would make a great addition to the Harry's Garage collection, but please, I beg of you, don't sacrifice the Esprit. It's my favourite car in your garage.
Well you would really be missing a Ferrarari GTO then, unless you can make some room fo it! 😁
@@Leptospirosi It's more a case of missing the 7 figure bank balance I'd need to purchase one really, though to be honest I'm not much of a Ferrari guy anyway. For the money they command, there's so many other cars to choose from that I'd enjoy more. My ultimate dream car would be the Lexus LFA, not that I could ever afford one, but it would be what I'd choose over a Ferrari if I were ever in a position to buy one.
When this first appeared at the Toronto Auto Show, I detested the appearance but a day or two later, it somehow clicked and I actually returned to the show just to see the SZ again. It's difficult to put into words but sometimes we understand a design and love it but can't find any clear, logical justification that could persuade others to feel likewise. It's good to see so much appreciation for the old thing here. I suppose its time has finally come.
Love these things. A real concrete block of a car. Like the EB110, BMW Z1, or Nascar Luminas. Not everything has to be sleek and pretty to be iconic.
I had a 1989 75 3.0 cloverleaf, a four door, 5 seat saloon, same running gear, 188 bhp I believe and that achieved 7.0s to 60 and saw an indicated 137 (on a private road of course), book figures for that were 7.3s and 137mph. That engine sound in the vid did bring those days back to me. I also used to get as little over 30 mpg per tank out of it. A lovely machine both of them. I'd say those specs were a little below par in the magazine.
Bottoming out a mint Alfa at speed... with a priceless reaction 🤣
Gotta love the man's lifestyle....
The moment Harry realises he’s just bought it (if you break it you pay for it!).
Lol
I think they way he was caning it and his muted reaction to bottoming out suggests he has decided to buy it!
You'll get over it..
This was on my wish list for so long. Had the chance to buy one when they were sub £30k and am still kicking myself about it. Epic - thanks for the vid Harry..!
For those who think it’s ugly, I think the convertible is even worse! Love the interior and the wheels...oh and the engine. I wonder what Pininfarina thought of it.
The RZ doesn’t work IMHO...but the SZ does.
Funny. I always preferred the RZ.
@@richardhoulton4016 the SZ's slanted roofline and tasteful spoiler really complete the look of this car!
Harry, your knowledge on cars is just stunning. You have forgotten more than I’ll ever know. Luv your no nonsense, honest review of the cars on your channel. One of the best all cars channels on UA-cam😎
Life’s too short, swap the Esprit for the Sz change the exhaust and do a road trip to Italy. Great video as usual.👍
How could someone give a Thumbs Down to a Harry's Garage video!? Even if you don't like the car Harry's passion and knowledge is always entertaining
Great review Harry - ES30 SZ has always been so special. Love seeing them at the Alfa Romeo Owners Club shows.
Bad times, grounding out a 5k miles minter!! Great to see a Busso V6 on the channel, that distinctive sound won't be heard of again in modern design. I'll keep hold of my Busso for as long as possible. The SZ would be a dream garage car for sure, it's inboard brakes blow my mind however!!
Negativvv all transaxle rear drive Alfas of that era had inboard rear brakes. Most were solid, not vented like those on the SZ.
Yeah I did some reading after and noticed the 75 had inboard too. Last era where brakes were not all wheel mounted I suppose. Must be an utter pain in the backside when the discs start to go... I did read some suggestion that braking is better when it's inboard but that seems to be less important than ease of access these days or the difference is so small that it isn't worth the pain.
The front profile reminds me of the bmw 8 series from the same era.
Many many years ago I was a auto motive technician working in an Alfa dealer it was in the 33, 75, 164, and 155 era. Every so often we would get a SZ in for a service and it was always a treat if you serviced and road tested one. In my opinion a beautiful car, it was just so different from the norm and 30 years later it still is!
The V6 Alfa engine was a bit of a nightmare to work on especially in the 164 clover leaf the cam belt was over a day to change but what an engine it was, the sound was amazing. Alfa's were not the best engineered cars but when you drove one it didn't matter, you soon forgot about all there imperfections and just enjoyed the way they drove. Also all Alfa drivers nod/wave to each other on the road when they cross path's, a bit like biker's do, it's kind of a secret club which I like.
The material was called MODAR developed with ICI
And Modar is assembled with glue who smells after some time...especially when car is exposed to sun for some time
Why was it used if it is not lighter than metal?
@@schumifannreins295 Probably cheaper for a low production run. Building the tooling to press metal panels is very expensive. You can also do sharp radius edges more easily in composite than steel.
@@timc5969 Thanks.
I have always loved this car ever since I had the matchbox model. It would be a dream to drive one. They sound amazing & look like nothing else.
Great vid, great car. Whilst it’s ‘slow’ by today’s standards, for me I think it’s perfect performance for a road car. Listening to it being wrung out as Harry pulls away, it’s a beautiful V6 howl but also just the right speed of manual shift. Enough of a break during the shift to really enjoy the next gear when it comes. Not the bah/bah/bah of modem seamless etc. Massive 👍
😁 right!
Love the camera angle from behind the seats. It gives a fantastic view of the road and sense of speed.
Great video - looks like a good example, driven properly! Surprised to see my own RZ making a guest appearance too!
That must've been pretty fucking cool. :-8
It was one of my favourite Matchbox toy as a kid back in the day. Love it!
Something about the shape of the windscreen puts me in mind of the Stratos
Amazing design that has improved with age. Thanks Harry.
Loved il monstro since it came out. It always was in my list of cars to bought when my lottery numbers came up. Would also have the RZ
From the moment the sz was seen in car magazine’s It was a car of my dreams and I still love it. I’ve always been a Alfa lover from my first sud ❤️ great video 😊
Always loved these when I was growing up in the 90s. Definitely one on my dream ugly/beautiful car garage list - along with the Aston V8 Zagato and a Bristol Beaufighter.
Gotta love Alfas! I love them with all of their faults and great looks!
Whistler loves you.
Thank you Harry. Unbelievably, I’ve spent the weekend trolling back through UA-cam looking for videos on the SZ and, while there are a few good ones, there aren’t that many. I was wishing that there was a Harry’s Garage review. Then my wish came true this morning when my UA-cam notification popped up. Amazing. I hope you do buy it so it can be in the background in all your videos. There is one for sale in Australia at the moment that I am dreaming about because, as you say, what a special car to own. Thanks again for the wonderful review of such an amazing and significant car.
I’d say it would be a good shout to add this into your collection Harry. You are definitely tempted I can tell 😃
I absolutely love the look of this from all angles. It just looks so mean and tough at the front.
Like many of us, I don't think Harry's seen a barber for 4 months.
RufusT9 just had my first cut last week here in the states.
They don't call him Harry for nothing.
Utterly beautiful. Incredible that this was produced in 1989! I'd forgotten about this one, and how it just blew my mind back in the day. Absolutely nothing else like it.
Really like the Group B Quattro vibe with the SZ.
Go on Harry you know you want to and then take it on the Mille Miglia spectator tour again.
Go on Harry, buy it. We'll all love you for it. I remember the Car mag article at the time. It looked nuts then but sort of works now. A truly cool car. Thanks very much.
Thanks Harry for paying tribute to Alfa Romeo's swansong. I've always loved this car.
He is trying to sell it, probably gets a commission.
@@johnsmith1474 Or did Harry suggest he might buy it? Seems to be an excellent price considering the low miles and good care. Wish I could afford it.
"Swansong", what? Since when was this Alfa's final car?
@@nickturner2813 many Alfa Romeo fans, including myself, consider the SZ the last true Alfa Romeo.
Great video Harry and always loved these. I met Giorgio Pianta who was the chassis engineer for this, Alfa Touring cars and the Fiat/Lancia rally cars and he was an absolute gentleman.
Very rare and very expensive car. I wish to see a video with Lotus Omega, Renault Safrane Biturbo or other special cars from 90's.
The Safrane Biturbo. We didn't get that spec in the UK. I remember pics of it from articles. Yes, would be a very interesting road test.
Wasn't Safrane biturbo the one with yet another engine borrowed from Nissan, the RB26DETT this time? I know Renault borrowed VG30DE and SR20 for hot Clio variants..
@@Leonidae The Safrane Biturbo has a PRV V6 engine. (Jointly developed by Peugeot, Renault and Volvo which gives the acronym). Safrane Biturbo has the same engine as in Alpine GTA Turbo, but further developed. The base engine, naturally aspirated, was also used in Renault 25, Volvo 760, Citroen XM, Peugeot 605, and many others. No Nissan connection with this one.
A friend of mine bought one of these when they came out. I loved it then and I still love it now!
You can see the resemblance with the Lancia Hyena of the same era
I prefer the Hyena though. Don't they share the same windscreen and bulkhead design?
@@gavhunt5389 they look alike around the windscreen but the Hyena is based on the Integrale. I prefer the brutish looks and the Busso V6 of the Alfa 🍀😁
This has zero to do whit the Hyena, the Hyena was made because Zagato didn't got money to built the Alfa Zeta as limited edition, so he made years later the Hyena. This was an 100% Alfa and intern design studio affair, starting from the 164 like rear lights etc. Unfortunately Alfa like always under Fiat, managed only 15 years later to bring the 3 front light design to serie. The car was all about to see the moves of the market in kind of design over all. The rest was taken from the IMSA 75 idea and the Alfa 75 QV und nine with just "sharper" cams to reach 15 HP more. I lost my health, when selling Alfas in South Germany. If Alfa Italy or Alfa Germany, both are not good for the future of the brand. I hate both till today. They will fu.. around till Agnelli family's Exor Holding N.V. will loose too much investor money and then the will sell Alfa and Maserati to German or Jspanese. Maybe it is time, as Italian I never thought it a better step for the brand to get sold to non Italian brand, but since last decade I changed my mind and think this is the only way, I löst my pacience after all, and that mean really they are not to cure.
The camera position from behind the driver looking forwards is brilliant for the viewer , gives a great idea of the cars movement relative to the drivers inputs and a sense of speed , hope you can include that in future videos
Almost perfect timing given Alfa Romeo is 110 on the 24th🎂😎
Thanks Harry, I've got one parked up in my garage been waiting for this review for a long time. Spot on as always.