LCA Tejas Mk2 - Bitter Truth
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GTRE kaveri has so much potential in future jets of India
If we start investing today, we can easily make different variants of kaveri and increase the engine performance with decreasing the weight as well...
Stopping the development of Kaveri was a blunder to begin with. While I understand that govt wants to ensure the supply chain of our projects it is essential that the prototypes are not impacted. They are needed for complete development. Production cycle se pahle engine sort kia ja sakta hai. Certification mei time lagega that's true but that time would be far less than the time lost by delayed development
Voting to this government is stupidity. All they do is make too much noise for everything. No media ask them questions.
Like I always comment development Circus of India 😂😂😂😂
Useless Defence ministry
Useless DRDO gov babus
In everything Atlest 10 year delay normal with excuse excuse put excuse inside ur rectum defence fans 😂
I guess Kaveri might have been not good for what it was being made but has found a new purpose to power our UAVs. Maybe this was a blessing in disguise as the future is UAVs but no excuse for the delay.
It was good decision. It is better to think and take rest before going for new engine development in future.
India spent $250 million on Kaveri engine in 30 years. Government can't afford to spend another $100 million on engine development because India is a poor country.
Revival Of Kaveri Engine With Afterburner producing 90kn Should be A done on- War Footing Mission,
Integration of 73kn Kaveri Engine With Tejas MK1 ASAP is a must too making way for higher thrust Kaveri Engine
Govt needs to act FAST.
@@user-lb8bg6kj9m Nobody has any trust on GTRE delivering a state of the art engine. That is why they are not getting any funds.
Kaise hoga Test Facility yaha banate nahi. Sirf Engine Test karne ke liye 6-8 Mahine lag jaate hai Pehle Russia Leke jao , test karo us engine ko wapas lao improvement karo phrse leke jao.....
@SmartOwl5
We are unable to meet (much less "beat") the contemporary standards of "thrust to weight" ratio (by the time we achieved that, they are already working on a much better thing - it is the Technology gap). Our engine is heavier, that isn't good if we are meeting a rival aircraft with a superior engine. Then ours becomes the sitting duck,to be shot down.
@@MrPoornakumar
Thrust to weight is achievable if the overall weight of the aircraft and maximum payload is reduced slightly.
Also, thrust is just one of many aspects of a fighter aircraft and these is no sense in getting hung up indefinitely on one issue and produce nothing in the end.
It's time to move ahead and produce an initial workable version of TEDBF, ORCA with 2 x Kaveri.
If indian defence industry has to develop itself. It is a must to have a critic like you.
*Excellent Analysis.* 👌👌
This guy is the first one who is not getting abused.
But if anybody else who is not an Indian Hindu criticises anything indian they are jealous and haters and have a problem with India and its indigenous attempt at building a fighter jet which is a failure even after four decades of trying I mean how hard could it have been they imported all the parts all they had to do was learn how to work out how to fit them all together it couldn't have been that hard kind of just doing a jigsaw puzzle now they want to try and build an indigenous engine which is the most difficult part of building a fighter jet the indian airforce if you can call it that will probably have to wait half a century or longer for it to be completed indians should just admit there country is socks at building any kind of weapon system just look at there attempt to build a tank they called the arjuna that was also to heavy for its engine to power it and was just good enough to go straight to the scrap heap.lmao.😂😂😂
Very "mature" analysis.
Appreciate your balanced and matured approach. Keep going
USA has delayed not only engines but Navy Romeo Sikorsky SH-60 helicopters too... Only 5 have been delivered out of 24 ordered in 4+ years. And our * * * * * * * expect rest to be delivered by 2025. So 5 in 4 years and 19 in 3 years (expected). GREAT EXPECTATIONS
It's not 5 in four years but the 5 since the start of a batch for production once a batch is produced deliveries start after a while and continue to the end
There is always SOME DAMN REASON! in Indian defence . No wonder we are always behind other countries in this world order
Patience. We are making advanced jet planes,not samosas. We are subject to geopolitics. The same geo politics that delayed our cryogenic engines for ISRO by a decade. The world is a tough place out there, and we have to make peace with stronger and not so scrupulous powers.Nothing is linear here.
This govt has not signed any more rafale, submarines, aircraft carrier. Too much noise and less action
@@mukeshkeshan3117 Absolutely right. Jumlabaz. 😂
Yet u will have many delusional guys who will defend everything.
China did reverse engineering on every Russian platforms including engines to spacecraft. But don't know what DRDO is doing for last 20 years working with su 30 mki.
And our Jumlabaz Govt is busy in freebies and wasting 10s of billions of dollars but can't give couple of for national security.
Indeed u can say that Noone is thinking about national security no wonder why British looted for 200 years. Same DNA still exist.
When rajnath singh is worst defence minster is sitting in defence minster post then what will happen instead ex military veteran should be defence minster not rajnath singh type worst defence minster and worst politician
I get it people are angry with the delays but we need to understand that thinking in only one dimensional manner won't get us anywhere. There are n number of things that the government has to take care of before releasing the funds. Thats why being Aatmanirbhar is so important. It is difficult and it will take time but we will get there.
Yes ..this election political parties will spend more than 50000 crores for buying votes.
Very much important for country.
@@VikramSingh-fd9uj This is a part and parcel of every democratic country. You dont have to spend much on elections if you are a communist country. Yes everyone knows this happens and everyone knows its wrong in some way but at the end of the day who are the people getting bought. Appeasement politics and freebies will never go away till the people keep leaning towards those benefits. But as India grows we can only hope that people will come out of that mentality.
Sab bahanebazi hai. 2022 timeline tight thi, 2024 nahi. We didn't come up with these dates, HAL did. I want to know what exactly the Mk2 engineers did for the last 1.5 years.
@@MK-yj7pn Brother i think you need to revisit the video. From HAL POV you need to understand that funds just started reaching them. Without funds you cant work on such projects. I am not saying they are perfect and have not caused delays in the past but blaming them for this is a bit unjust. From Govt. PoV you have to understand that the GE 414 engines has to go on Tejas MKII and AMCA MK1 and TEDBF so without ensuring we get a proper ToT they can't give a green light.
@@Malav7296 it's so easy to say that when people become matured we will come out of all these. But how about democratic countries like Japan, USA, Germany, France, etc. There are appeasement politics and vote politics as well but the thing is they do not compromise with national security or industry for votes. Those who try to do all that, they loose all votes and the citizens ensure such politicians never come to power who compromise national interest and public welfare over election campaigns. They know that a good politician is one who would ensure the normal functioning of his/her state or country even during political turmoil, war, or even if he/she is going to loose the election campaigns. But in India that day will never come when this huge population of chapri people will be mature because they don't appear to be so in the coming future. Like this we will keep on compromising on capabilities of we are not serious as a government and as people. We should make defence news a great domain for elections where people should charge the ruling party for any delays or negligence that occur in the defence or industrial sector. This will create a fear in the hearts of politicians in ruling government that if anything goes wrong, they will not get votes. But for that the public must be educated and united. It's public's responsibility to build pressure on the ruling government regarding important projects like infrastructure, industries, employment and business opportunities, defence aquisition, etc. Only then these things will be a taken seriously.
Once we build the mk2 prototype with GE Engine, then we will be trapped. Its good decision to delay now for bargaining and not get stuck later. US is already holding mk1 engines and it will be a deadly trap for mk2 engines if not done properly
Delay is due to India trying to manufacture GE414 engine in India .. it will take times as it required the transfer of tech unlike GE 404 engine which India buy directly
@@nizsheerpa7978
If that were the case, it would have been easily overcome by India purchasing a few ready made 414 engines from the US as a stop gap measure.
I suspect it's more than that.
I see this as having cascaded from the nijjar / pannu / khalistan BS -- a symptom of what is to come.
The rug pull will usually occur at the very moment the MK2 has completed all its tests and the production lines are rolling.
Then will come the headline that US refuses export of some parts needed for the 414 due to human rights concerns over Khalistani terrorists (aka activists) getting a goli.
We have seen this movie already with the Marut.
Better to develop the TEDBF and ORCA with the 2 x Kaveri. Keep the weight of the aircraft down and the thrust-to-weight ratio should be ok.
The govt, IAF, navy and HAL need to act now.
Mk2 ko apne college ki crush ki traa bhul jauga ab 😢
Better to convert Mk2 into a twin engine design with kaveri engines and speed up Kaveri certification.
Matlab amca mk1 ki taiyaari karein or saath saath kaveri ko bhi improve karte jaye
Kaveri engine will result in another Marut 24 flop. They should start serious talks w Safran and Rolls Royce. It will also put biz pressure on GE
Yeah TEDBF will be better than Tejas Mk2
@sawcon4305 No serious country imports billions of dollars worth of fighters.We will only be enriching our rivals. We should create our doctrine around what we can produce
Yes, this is a right approach.
They r saying 2027 but i am expecting 2030 😂
Govt has failed completely
@@mukeshkeshan3117No
4:14 India had such rude awakening multiple times in the past. Like the GPS issue during Kargil. I don't know why afterburning turbofan project is not taken seriously. It has to be a national endeavor running in full throttle.
Great video Subhod bhai, I see everyone else saying that we have compromised with capability but everyone forgot about the additional 100mk1a's which are coming. Also if we think from the perspective of mk2 existing as a project to derisk AMCA then I think it has served it's purpose. By making it the scapegoat the AMCA, TEDBF is assured a secured engine supply
100 lcamk1a are coming because airforce knows that govt is incompetent and they will not get anything else. No more rafale, no
More su30mki, no contracts for rafale m, no new submarines order in last 10 years, no new aircraft carrier. All this after 3 years of Galwan incident. Chinese knows india has a crazy weak govt. India can do 1900 border talk with China but China wont go back because people who r in power in India r useless. Media will not show reality to people and people are busy in hindu muslim.
As long as mk2 delivery begins from 2029-30 then its fine
I would count on US sanctions before then.
The rug pull usually comes towards the end.
It seems nothing was learnt from the Marut project.
In 2027 Tejas mk 2 doesn't make sense more order of Tejas mk1a is better with some advancement.
+ conclude mrfa deal
And put energy, money and time in amca and tedbf
@@Anonymous-dg1rn
The issue is engine availability not being blocked by US....
I will be surprised if they get Tejas Mk2 before 2035.
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India shot itself on foot by selecting American engine ...simultaneously we should have eurojet ........now also we should have Rolls-Royce engine
Bhai uk yo khud US ka Rakhel h
no fk them all just put that money into making your own Europe and west are least trustworthy in the whole world they will starve us if we don’t work like what they say.
UK is very susceptible to US preferences. so this choice will suffer from the same limitations. And Safran does not have an engine of these specs. One really can't go shopping for engines as we can in a supermarket.
Bro our engines are not enough for max thurst
No way to fit different sized engines with different performance and characteristics in the same plane.
India would have to be running 2 or more Tejas programs in parallel.
What should have been planned and developed in parallel is not MK2 but TEDBF and ORCA based on 2 x Kaveri.
Keep the TEDBF and ORCA weight low and the lower thrust Kaveri would work well.
They need to do this now and put MK2 as a backup option.
Govt needs to act FAST.
I am still unable to comptehend why we do not have Engine test facilities in India. This was problem since 1967 when Kurt Tank designed Marut. It is practically incomprehensible that nobody could do anything about it since 1967. The reason why all of India's Kingdoms failed against foreign invaders was because we were lagging in Technology and tactics.
The King needs to understand his responsibilities and wheras we may be able to defend ourselves, we cannot defeat our enemies. At the end of the day, World Emperor doesn't wish for anyone to grow enough to challenge it's authority.
Such facility need a city level electric power, solve your own electric power problems first.
Because Muslim and Christian invaders took away our Ve-Dick era Pushpak Yaan technology and we had to re-invent the wheel
@@yixinmei5854 ,
Seriously, More than a million Engineers every year and you couldn't even solve this problem?
Power will be expensive, it's not cheap today either. And this facility will allow us to become far more capable and reliant, the very problem of dependency will be destroyed.
@@savansanghvi3276 But Indian people need those power more than ADA.
@@savansanghvi3276 Plus, once you get the facility done, the outcome will benefit about two decades later. No officer can survive till the time your precious engine come into service.
Always better to trust our scientists and go with domestic engine production but gvt not giving proper funds and proper tools for it like flying test beds and all... Lack of which delays engine developments by 8-12 months just bcoz we need to go to russia to test the engine... All these together delays engine developments by yearss.
We should push for Kaveri engine and increase its thrust output upwards 75KN.. only then we will be truly self reliant in fighter jet production..!
The lesson that should need learnt is that we need Kaveri with afterburners certified as soon as possible
why are we still not giving specific funds for fighter engines and roaming around country to country for technology transfer??Also is Politics more important than India’s security China will not wait to attack while the election are going on our troops still don’t have decent gear we are still using old aircraft’s when will be imp stuff taken into consideration??
Thats the main issue koi bhi govt aa jaye sab ke sab defence project ko waste maante h jabki isse top priority deni chahiye
@@ammanagrawal762we need someone who actually understands and has interest in defence sector not some guy who knows the same amount as an armchair expert we lost a gem as Manohar parikar sir
Kaveri already ready with 73 kn thrust (dry), in future it can be used in mk2 & even amca
It's not jet engines can't be made in India but a powerful reliable engine's internal parts of metal components and non metallic internal parts are the issues. While all engine making countries had 20 years to develop and India had to come Outta economic development and bad management by Congress. The guys at defense department are not fools, they will find best options. Just trust them. Jai Bharat 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳☝️😊
Based on history trusting MOD babus, netas including BJP and IAF to deliver has not worked so far. Just look at the results. GOI will not finalize deal for 414 till after elections. Why? Why waste another 2+ years ..
Current government delayed mrfa. Pending since 2012. Pulled out of fgfa and not finalised engines deal yet. While china keep adding 100s of crafts every year. India got just 36 in 10 years, loosing much more due to retirement.
Only after china took some land in doklam they awoke from slumber, but still half awoke..so don't blame previous governments..they were getting 114 aircarfts plus su 57 for u.. along with tejas and amca programs.
@@rickbarrington The Developments of engine should've started in 1990s? By Congress... Lot of defense budget went into who's pocket. Instead of being tied up with foreign technology and their policies, wait 3 years more. If you can wait 40 odd years then why it's a issue. ☝️😄
@@himanshumadhan6376 That was IAF s call not Congress. If Congress wanted they could've made more deals for defense but failed and kept using aging mig 21 etc. So don't be so forgiving to party who could've made India great long time ago. Jai Bharat 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳☝️😊
India cant even make windtunnel testing lab and testbed plane to test engines and crying tht drdo babus cant make engines bro if gov cant give basic tools how anyone can make world class item
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Jai Bharat Rashtra 🙏🙏🧡
2 queries - a) Given this background, even if let's say the current Geopolitic issues go away, there can always be some other issue in future. How will a proposed deal on local assembly help since GE will still hold rights for the core sections of engine and can stop their supply. b) The only alternative is fully indigenous solution but that will take lot of time to mature. Given the emerging threat level what possible mitigants or solutions does the government have except for taking a readymade alternative engine ?
What was the govt doing all these years.
Surely they would have known of the foreign dependency issue long ago and should have put a parallel plan in motion.
But they did nothing...
There is one more solution, just buy the engine is mass numbers. Just like we did it in case of F404.
But GoI is insisting on making the engine in India before giving funds is because, we were already been betrayed by the USA companies in past in the name of congress / senate restrictions on the tech exchange. 😂
Now GoI won't rely on the words of the companies or ambiguous contract documents.
This is so depressing.
There are no good options here. Only bad options and worse options. 😢😢😢
@agup9724
Looks like it. But we need to take up the challenge & don't want to leave it.
I guess Kaveri might have been not good for what it was being made but has found a new purpose to power our UAVs. Maybe this was a blessing in disguise as the future is UAVs but no excuse for the delay. Do you agree Alpha bhaiya?
Engine for UAV is a lower bar to jump.
Engine for fighter is a higher bar.
2 x Kaveri for ORCA is what's needed.
Naa samjh doggie😡🧢
@@subasthapa8323 😂
We have 73 Kn kaveri engine. We can use in Tejas as testbed with less missiles or we can use in Hale type of drone.
Till we use it, upgrade is not possible.
China used their WS10 with defects and keep on upgrade. So why can't us.
Low performance is better than no performance
Tebf mai 2 kaveri engine laga ke airforce verson mai bana sakte hai just like rafale bss Kaveri ka weight kam ho gaye or 80KN tak thurst chala jaye more then enough hoga rafale ka 1 engine bhi 75 kn thrust deta hai
Ws15 -150km
I knew All this 😂😂
My logic is simple no matter what capability your scientific have or what money you have. (political / secretariat) Will is what matters, The best example is turkey and the US .
Admin : Don't tell anything to hal or drdo 🤣 they are great workers 😂
They are
bhai DRDO ko missiles development kliye jb jb funds on time mile hai 1 se 2 saal k andar induction worth product nikala hai jb paisa hi nhi hoga engine kha se bnayenge.
I HAVE been saying this for quite some time - we already have enough GE 404 engines. Convert Tejas MK2 into a twin engine and use the GE 404. Do the same with the Naval Tejas and you will have twin engine Tejas Mk2 as well as TEDBF.
In parallel fast track Kaveri and use it to replace the GE 404 at an appropriate time. Later with enough know how and collaboration make Kaveri a higher throughput engine and move the twin engine Tejas MK2 into AMCA.
If 414 are not coming, be sure that 404 would also be not coming.
In fact, GE has reallocated India's 404 engines to South Korea FA-50 which placed its order after India ...and told India to wait for delayed delivery. 😢
If this is so then even Tejas Mk1A etc...are not happening. Which I don't think is true..
@@Value_Pilgrim
MK1A is at the mercy of US / GE and when they decide to release the engines.
Headlines in the papers 🗞️ tomorrow could read -- US sanctions critical military technology exports to India over K-pop (Careless-stan) human rights issues.
Decades of Tejas..etc development would come crashing down in a flash ⚡
@@user-lb8bg6kj9m The US cannot risk that. As an Indian, it would be amazingly hilarious if the US behaves that way leaving India with no choice but to become dependent on Russia and/or China.
It would a trillions of dollars goof which I don't think the US can afford. The US desperately, desperately needs India. Let's see.
@@Value_Pilgrim
US has thrown a NATO ally Turkey 🦃 under the bus 🚌 and denied them export of helicopter engines for their ATAK-I and even F-16 upgrades along with other stuff.
What makes you think they would not do the same to a non-NATO member like India?
The wind can change direction at any point. Some unknown crackpot like Pannu could appear at any given time and if India defends itself -- sanctions would follow.
Even the aircraft carrier Vikrant has 4 x GE turbine engines although hoe vulnerable they are to sanctions is a question I know not.
It's scary how dependent the country is and how long the road is to real independence.
Meanwhile India is funding the military R&D of every country but it's own by buying tons of expensive imported equipment and all that is gained is some screw 🪛 driver turning instructions and a huge bill 📜 to pay.
Sarkari babuz and the military really need to plan carefully.
Drop Tejas Mk2 and focus on AMCA 5th gen stealth and involve L&T and Tatas in this project and no red tape. You will get a flying prototype by end of 2025-26 and an operational version by 2030.
Engine for AMCA ???
@@harshitrai5306 co develop that in parallel with Sarfan such that the IPR stay with India and we can apply it with AMCA, Su30MKI and other aircraft. See we need to develop the engines no one will rights to manufacture them.
Indian govt should have never shelved its Kaveri Engine program. It was one of the most short sighted decisions India has taken in recent years.
Did they actually shelve it?
@@user-lb8bg6kj9m they separated it from Tejas development & the funding stopped. Then to now, it's been a struggle to get funding back. New research & defense tech is a resource hogging bottomless pit & government should stop not stop spending on strategic things like engines.
Well said .
Pata nahi kitne paise government barbad karthe hai par kaveri engine ke liye inke paas paise nahi hota .
its similar when we waste out time on internet but if someone give us some work then we say that we don't have time
Agree we should use 2 Kaveri engines and prepare a new model with less speed but more manoeuvrability. This then can be developed further just like Tejas.
Kaveri at present gives 81kn wet thrust, this was displayed in some defexpo, use of two kaveri in TEDBF is feasible now although it isn't enough to power Tejas 2.0 but if IAF opts for ORCA (AF version of TEDBF) then it's possible to develop
Rightly said. The MK2 was originally Designed with twin engines, which will generate more thrust than the single GE414 engine.
However sometime after the successful flight test of Mk1 in 2001, the MK2 was reconfigured with a single engine design. So, it was the GE414 that could generate the required thrust . But definitely DRDO does have the twin engine design and they can quickly bring it back
I think from 2027 production of mk2 will start.
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I think India should also be looking at the UK engine development offer.
6 th generation hai ?
@hmin5927
One good thing at the present juncture in the world, is the West finds itself in dire Economic straits, unlike in the past they were haughty & never considerate. It is how we are still in the reckoning (all the three big names in engine design offer their services). Still, we need to rely on our capabilities & (human & mental)resources before they turn off their tap on technology . Kaveri is a good bet & that something to feel back upon.
Mujhe samajh nei aa raha, GE414 deal nehi ho raha to Tejas mk2 ke liye CCS approval kiyu nehi ho raha ? Engine fighter jet ka ek part ha bas, aur bhi bahut sare component hai jiska vi development time consuming hota hai. Thoda sa funds to release kar do, ta ki baki sare component bana ke at least prototype roll out to kar de ? Bad main jab engine milna chalu ho jayega tab first flight hoga. Nehi to pehele engine deal hoga, uske baad CCS approval dega, uske baad jake baki components manufacture hoga, to fir first flight hote hote 2029 chala jayega ?
Engine is closely tied in with overall design. Cannot be easily changed.
Aircraft is designed around its engine.
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I think government must consider buying atleast 36 more rafales and simultaneously, developmental work on our own engines must be given utmost , importance.
Options should always be open. Why not to be held talks with Rolls Royce and Safran also. To counter America why should not use MMRCA as a Piece of Bread in a Rat Cage for All the 3 Countries.
Like I always comment development Circus of India 😂😂😂😂
Useless Defence ministry
Useless DRDO gov babus
In everything Atlest 10 year delay normal with excuse excuse put excuse inside ur rectum defence fans 😂
Except for France no other country can afford this. Britons are heavly relied on Americans for theie F 35s and other assests.
You are a mature audience if you can understand Indian public defence industry is incompetent
Correction
**Bureaucracy Is Incompetent*
Not The Public Defence You Can See What DRDO, ADA, HAL Can Do With Proper Funding & Support From Indian Defence Forces The Most Current Example They Have Developed SWIFT Unmanned Flying Wing Drone In India Without Any Foreign Help.
I Believe DRDO, ADA, HAL & Other Public Sector Undertakings Can Do Anything They Want.
@Munna-bd8pc
It is not the question of competence (anybody can accuse of incompetence, not knowing the vital facts. We made "Kaveri" engine. First it needs to be tested in all kinds of environments, so that the pilot who has it in his aircraft, confidently meets his rival in the sky.
It is a race in Technology. By the time we meet their standards, they have already moved to new design & new Technology, offering better performance & improved "reliability".
India must not depend on US for its three, most important future platforms! It’s not going to end well.
It will be better if if HAL develop LCA MK 2 fighter based on Twin Engine deck based fighter for the Airforce
Tedbf ko he covert kar do air force version ke mai or Kaveri ko improve karke or weight kam karke hum abhi bhi achha jet bana sakte hai rafale ka 1 engine bhi jyda power nhi deta lekin 2 engine milake achha power deta hai kuch nhi karna hai jaldi se Kaveri ko jyda se jyda fund do or weight loose karwao or thurst badwaoo
@@harshitrai5306
Sahi bola aap ne.
Air force ki TEDBF ka naam ORCA hai -- Omni Role Combat Aircraft.
2 x Kaveri lagao aur weight kum rakhlo aur payload to thora sa kum karo.
Hojayenga.
Jaldi decision ley lio, meter chal raha hai !!
heartbreaking. really painfull
I thought we already got 6 F414 engines for mk2 prototypes..
What if none is available beyond 6?
Complete redesign for a new engine would be needed.
Not practical.
HAL makes lot of profit ,,, not sure why HAL doesn’t not invest own money to continue development
As HAL is a government organization they have to get their budget approvals from the similar channels
Isliye R&D KAveri engine ko push karna tha but but IAS Babu jo desh chala rahe ye kya jane engineering & crucial technology
IAS IS BIGGEST pade likhe anpadh gawaar
Single engine is not enough 🙌🏻
We have to initiate TEDBEF Plan.
LOL… those who are following Tejas progress for decades are not surprised… you have to understand basic fact that Tejas program is an employment guarantee scheme (MNREGA) for under performing babus, engineerings & researchers.
afterburner part of su 30 engine can be removed so that can fit the needs or RD33 can be used if we start immediate modifications now..
We have license manufacturing permission for both of these..PAY Russia fast for engine modification permission, upgradation and changes ASAP! without a lot of negotiations
Sir , very realistic n mature analysis that's why I used to follow your videos regarding different development .
Bhaag half fry
My question and opinion:- LCA MK2 pr itna focus kyu diya jata hain jabki TEDBF usse jyada capable fighter hai. Agar isi ka variant ORCA bnaya jaye to isse production cost v kam rhega aur logistics v thik rhenge IAF aur IN dono ke liye.
Ye to confirm hai ki Tejas Mk2 ke 6-7 squadrons se jyada induct nhi kiye jayenge aur MMRCA to ab sign hone se rha (agar hota v hai to aircrafts 2030 se phle to nhi hi milenge). To kyon nhi ORCA ko hi develop kiya jaye taki MMRCA aur Tejas Mk2 dono ki jagah akela ye fighter le aur KAVERI pr full emphasis aur funds diya jaye...
Agar Kaveri 90 kn thrust produce krne lgta hai to suru me isko TEDBF ke sath integrate karne me utna koi khas dikkat nhi hoga...
Ha fir baad me kaveri ko aur scale up karke ~100 kn thrust produce karne layak bnaya jaye jaisa ki GE414 me hua aur M88 ko kiya ja rha hai🤩
Vai rehene do... Inlogo ko bani banai Dry kaveri engine production ready karne me 10 sal lagega....
Es ka matlab IAF ka worst period abhi baki hai 2035 tak 25-27 sq par a jayege 😞😞
Russia option hai agar USA ne natak kiya Russia se transfer of technology mil jayega or India mai jet banayenge
@@harshitrai5306 ni us waqt india k pass sirf yehi option hoga k woh 5th generation k order de ga
This is a very good defense channel, quite objective and impartial. Kudos!
India is very fond of Marks , first Ambassador Mark 1 and 2 , now Tejas Mark 1 and 2 .
Definitely the news of tejas mark2 only start service in 2035 which is 10 years from now is a shock to weak hearted person like me😂
Here comes the French snecma lobbyist
If there will be problem with 414 engine deal then what will be the options ??
2 x Kaveri + TEDBF
2 x Kaveri + ORCA
Keep weight of aircraft low so thrust-to-weight ratio remains above 1. Limit max payload.
and.....
Abandon MK2 😢
Hyundai nahin to Maruti nahin to Tata (self development) there is always an option
@@user-lb8bg6kj9mKaveri ko improve abhi bhi kar sakte hai weight kam karke thrust badha ke bss safran ya Rolls-Royce ke sath engine deal ho jaye amca ke liye us se seekh le kaveri better kar lenge dheere dheere
but GE is sabotaging tejas by not providing us engines in required timeline are there any other partnership options with France or england ?? with their engine??
Indian Air Force should skip Tejas mk2 and choose TEDBF based Air Force variant.
TEDBF Air force variant is called ORCA.
That's stupid
So Subodh bhai, what are the viable alternatives to the GE engines? SAFRAN or Kaveri or Roll Royce ? The last one is sure to go the GE way and is best avoided. Better to focus back on Kaveri and learn from there while counting the French ! I knew the Yankees would mete out this kind of treatment to us and yet we always fall for their nonsense
Big questions 1) When do they elevate production capacity of Tejas Mk1A to 24 numbers 2) Would HAL get the desired numbers of engines and LRUs for Tejas MK1A .
JAI HIND 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
personally i feel 2025 end as first flight and serial production from 2027
So my predictions were right 😂
My believe in our incompetence vs any defence youtubers
😂😂😂😂
RIP.. MK2
AMCA 1st flight in 2040.
Countries like Iran will be ahead in 5th gen fighter.
Why rip? Mk2 will be ready before 2027.
Amca shouldn't be delayed as the 110kN engine deal with France is going on right track
I totally agree with the point of positive thinking for all the defence related organizions or research labs.
Being a Govt organization we as a nation has came too far, we now have a lot of thing in our basket to offer globally.
We have to wait and we should wait with all the positive hopes that sooner or later we will see Kaveri engine fully grown up.
Rest leave it upto govt and defence related major players
Time is almost up
No waiting possible.
😂 This is called complete delusional state of mind. Because ur enemy is not waiting for u.
U have a 3.5 tn GDP people expect for from u. U are not even confident enough to fight with a neighbor who has one tenth of ur GDP.
How much time do u need? GTRE is working in kaveri for 4 decades.
Exactly
@ankursharma7812
Your comment reminds me of a Pauranic story (Maha Bharata-Adi parva).
Of the two viwes of Kashyapa Prajapati, Vinata prayed for two most powerful sons. Her, co-wife Kadruva was blessed with so many "dirgha deha" (snake) sons, while the eggs of Vinata were still to hatch. Unable to suppress her impatience, she carefully pulled off a small bit of egg-shell to see a human form. The son glared at her back, admonishing her for not allowing the process. His legs are still to grow fully. Anyway he came out, sought out a job & landed as chariot driver for Surya (the Sun-God). He was named "Aruna". Vinata felt sad & shaken. He again told his mother to wait out the full term, before the other egg hatched on its own. Counting days, Vinata did exactly that. The new hatchling (Vainateya = Vinata's son) was enormously powerful & who freed his mother from the semi-slavery she was in, as a dasi to Kadruva. Patience pays. Hope Kaveri goes through all the tests successfully, necessary to fulfill, for her certifications & to know before hand, its design limitations. We will definitely master any Technology in due course, given time,
Thanks
Itni hi okat thi teri😂
We need to be able to research and produce indegenous jet, ship and armour vehicle engines. If we can't produce the power sources, then the hardwares would be sitting ducks.
Most importantly, West does not want India to be self-sufficient in armaments as they will lose a big geopolitical leverage and money from India and will from now onwards try to undermine our attempts of being self-sufficient. Let's drive our war machinery ourselves people
USA WILL NEVER BE HAPPY SEEING INDIA TO BE STRONGER AND SELF DEPENDENT. . . . .
That is a huge setback
GE 414 contract is a problem but additional GE 404 for 97 1A is not.
Isnt it contradictory.
IIRC already few ge414 engine has been imported so what prevents roll out and prototype testing for mk2?
Hal could have used some of its funds for sure
Both engines 404 and 414 availability would be a problem if the wind 🍃 blows the other way.
Nothing is safe until Kaveri is online.
मुझे नहीं लगता की 2030 में भी आएगी मार्क-II
Ok...i get your point engine is crucial hence the stall...but Tejas Mk1 is also using an American engine and they can delay that too. In that case what will IAF do?
MK1 isn’t future
MK2 impacts future AMCA and TEDBF etc
Additionally Kaveri for LCA MK1 is getting traction
Surely hal and the govt already knew dependency would exist selecting GE engines.
They cannot claim to have had an awakening now.
Better then to focus on TEDBF and ORCA using slightly improved Kaveri alongside the single engine MK2. Keep the weight of the aircraft down to compensate for the lower thrust.
They need to act now and not keep waiting with inaction.
The clock ⌚ is ticking.
kua and khai
Pajeeight shut up
If they are going to delay it why not enhance its semi-stealth features? Reduce frontal RCS maybe. Adopt TEDBFF type but single engine futuristic Airframe?
why tejas is not twin engines fighter jet.
@sawcon4305
It should have been a twin engined Kaveri with low overall weight.
That would have worked.
Bad planning on.the part of babuz.
Do you think Individual private players are asked for development of Advanced Jet engines?
You are very optimistic about the private sector.
Pr ye problem to F404 engine pr bhi ayegi he aur pta bhi chal rha h ki aa rhi h as order delay ho rhe h.
To mk1a bhi hold pr jyega.
Good information. Really mature !
Why condition? When we have engines to build prototype
It will take another 50 years for India to develop its own Stealth Aircraft..
The condition for MK2 by the GOI is derived of any logic. The development should go on. We should explore RR and Safran engines as well.
Not easy to change engines. Aircraft redesign, reengineering and recertification is the equivalent of developing a new aircraft.
Bcz of politics India ki defense ko hamesha compromise kiya gaya hai
An apt indepth analysis....👍👍
LCA Tejas k additional order k liye bhi to GE k engines lagne wale hain. Wo Kahan se ayenge?
Pata nhi boss. America ka chakkar babu bhaiya, America ka chakkar
2035 lokks like a mature timeline for mk2, 2050 for amca
Only youtuber in India who's talks sense
Thank you for this information
दो कावेरी इंजन का उपयोग करने से क्या डेवलप होने वाला फाइटर प्लेन भारत की रक्षा नहीं कर पाएगा ? क्यों हम सिंगल इंजन फाइटर प्लेन के पीछे पड़े हुए हैं । जब पावरफुल इंजन डेवलप हो जाए तब सिंगल इंजन वाला बना लें अभी डबल इंजन वाला बनाए , क्या समस्या है ?
The French and Russians are much more reliable partners. French may charge us a lot of money and Russians tech may not be as advanced but at least we will have reliable supply. But most importantly this is a wake up call, Indian government must invest heavily in engine development.
Why do we need to manufacture engines in Bharat for ADA to proceed as far as Mk2 is concerned? We can buy as many F414 engines from GE as we need. One needs to see that engine flying in the form of a fighter jet.
Delay is due to India trying to manufacture 414 engine in India.. which take times
@@nizsheerpa7978 We are f'd, mark my words, Mk2 won't fly until 2030. This is what happens when a PSU with a track record like ADA is given the task of design & development of such an important project.
I am pretty sure if they were given the job of designing a road bike, instead of designing the bike they would wait for some other PSU to manufacture the gear box and delay it until the bike becomes obsolete.
Anyway, IAF is waiting exactly for this moment - Gripen here we come.
IAF's fighters strength is falling . We have to do something right now . Gripen have similar capabilities to Rafel. It is smart ,capable and affordable available at nearly half of rafel price and company offer full transfer of tech and also help is tejus mk2 program . Production , Delivery and induction of Tejus mk2 could take 10 to 12 years but if we could make a deal with Saab and buy 4 to 5 squardans of jets under make in india it could help in speeding up the production of aircrafts(tejus mk2)
ha bhai... usa se hi c130 aur posiden liya hai.....drones bhi american hai.....helicopter bhi american hai......
Without that engine we will not have amca
Now, it is time to understand that without our own engine, we can't move forward. Better spend some more time and money and come out with a decent kaveri engine and make aircrafts with the Kaveri. US will keep on disturbing and disrupting our fighter aircraft program as it has happened on past too.
Yes.
ORCA with 2 x Kaveri.
Lower weight of aircraft and limit payload and the thrust to weight ratio will still be reasonable.
It may not be perfect but it at least has the benefit of strategic independence.
Then wait for a better Kaveri to arrive with AMCA.
Govt needs to make a decision fast however.
Time has almost run out.
2022-2023-2024-👉2027 wait wait we didn't promise 😂😂 🤫 2030
India should work on improving Kaveri on 1 hand & on d other, it shld join hands wid Rolls Royce to develop a 110-125KN jet engine in joint venture with full TOT.
Getting kaveri modified to requirements in war footing is the only solution.. can go with France in the meantime to keep the project pace constant