Leroy Colbert Says Natural Bodybuilders Should Do Full Body Moderate Reps
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Full body works. I notice a huge difference when I moved away from split. I recuperate better, grow better, and each of my workouts I get stronger. I understand now that the body recuperates systematically and not just locally.
I do a upper/lower split, four days a week in total, but i am thinking about going full body for my next training cycle. Do you squat every workout? Do you deadlift only once a week?
Jonatan Olsén
I do it in cycles so this way you hit all of the bodyparts and I did this 3x a week. There's a good Utube video here on that.
I have been doing full body too.
- I train all major bodyparts.
- 1 exercise per bodypart per workout.
- 3 sets per body part
- 6-10 reps
- I use 3 second negative phases per rep.
- Last set per exercise heavy and pretty much to failure.
I have got 2 variations of full body workouts using different exercises and alternate them.
I must say, the results are very good. But I found that I personally need 2 days rest to recover. I have found that strength and size are increasing & body fat percentage is dropping slightly too.
I used to do splits with 6-8 sets, and ended up with minimal results and massive soreness leading to injury.
How many reps and sets did you do for full body?
All of the old bodybuilders say they never saw dianabol until early sixties. Leroy's gains came before that. I believe he was natural.
Good point. I think that people get caught up on steroids being developed in the 30s and 40s... But forget that the process was quite long and expensive and so they weren't widely available until maybe 50s - early 60s
You know what it is? The first thing I ever did was full body. Worked great! Made gains every workout! But I wanted so badly to get to the split training because the concept is so much more exciting. I tried it and went nowhere. So I kept going back and forth doing full body and getting gains and splits and getting nothing but really sore. I told myself EVERYTHING to convince myself splits are the way because that's what I WANTED to do. I researched and researched in an attempt to back up my own ideas. Deep down I KNOW full body is better. A lot better. But there's something so much more appealing about splits. Probably that honestly it's easier. It's more fun. You get to "Play bodybuilder". You get to train like the muscle guys in the videos. You get short bus pumps and so on, Oh, and you get to go to the gym every day. You don't have to take off the majority of the week. You can go to the gym six days a week and pump your soul out. That's my thought on that,
I never made gains with a split routine.Then I changer to full body 3 to 4 times per week focusing on compound movements it was the best thing I ever did.
same here
Mind is power x but nobody tries to understand i think
can you give me some insight on what you do for full body? i wanna give it a try
fishywtf train 3 to 4 days per week.Back squat twice per week then front squat twice per week along with push press,barbell rows and bench press.Just keep weight high for 5reps but low volume.Even rich piana says heavy is way to go for natural bodies
fishywtf Day on day off. Squats (usualy front), OHP + Pullups on workout A and Deadlifts, Bench and rows in workout B.
Obviously I put more effort into reps and sets and variations of these exercises. But that ^ is a summary of my plan.
Make sure to regularly get in Squats, Deadlifts, Bench, OHP, rows, pullups and dips to hit your whole body and if you feel like it throw in some accessory stuff AFTER these main exercises in your workouts :) Manz gotta get his curls for the girls in somewhere.
Just what I do :) Good luck
Leroy Colbert is the first guy build 21 inch biceps natural he is the legend in bodybuilding
Full body workouts are the best thing you can do if you are naty!
+ASTRONAUT - Fitness thanks
Leroy knew what he
was talking about!
I agree. In 1965 and 1966 Leroy Colbert was the equivalent of Ronnie Coleman today. I'm saying that he was the biggest muscular man of the era that immediately preceded that of Schwartzenegger and Sergio Oliva. Thanks again.
Back when I was in college in VA in the mid-80s I worked out at a gym in Virginia Beach that was owned by Lynn Conkwright, one of the first major female bodybuilders (she was mixed-pairs champion with Mr. Olympia Chris Dickerson and placed as high as third in the Ms. Olympia). My buddy and I were doing a six day per week split routine and after a few months of initial gains our progress stalled and we were getting frustrated. I suggested that we ask Lynn - even though she was a girl (LOL) - if she could give us some advice. The first question she asked was "are you taking steroids?", to which we responded (truthfully), "No." She then asked how often we were training, and when we told her she shook her head and said, "way too much." I then asked her if we should cut it back to four days a week and she said that if we really are natural, then we should only be going three days per week with a full day of rest between workout. She told us that for years she had done a six day per week split but after a while she didn't gain any more mass, just a bit more definition and muscle separation.
As more and more female bodybuilders were becoming very muscular through steroids - which she refused to do - the pressure was on for her to add more mass in order to stay competitive. It was then that she met a trainer who put her on a three day per week, high-intensity workout and within a year she put on 20 lbs of muscle - a tremendous gain, especially for a 5'2" female. She emphasized training the whole body to failure three times a week with each workout session lasting no more than 45 minutes. I used to watch this woman train and was there when she was preparing for the 1985 Ms. Olympia. I've never seen anyone train as intensely as her. I also watched her train a lot of natural bodybuilders (she tortured these poor guys) and they swore by her brief, high-intensity method and claimed that they made their best gains under her instruction. Long, split routines, as Ms. Conkwright told me years ago, are for juicers. Natural lifters cannot get away with that. Lift hard, brief, and not more than thrice weekly.
It definitely worked for me. Been training for 4 years and no one I know that is my age is close to my results.
When I switched to this approach my gains went thru the roof. I wish I knew about this all along. I"m 50 and I'm more muscular than I can remember. I've been working out/lifting for years.
Full body 3 times a week ??
This is my routine and I love it. Made all kinds of gains over the years. It's an 8-day cycle.
1. Chest, Shoulders, Triceps, Abs
2. Off
3. Back, Biceps, Legs, Abs
4. Off
5. Chest, Shoulders, Triceps, Abs
6. Off
7.Back, Biceps, Legs, Abs
8. Off
that's a good routine. you feel ready and energized for the next workout and back and legs go well together. do you train basic and heavy?
+markszarold Pretty much. I usually never go below 8 reps or above 15. Yea pretty basic. For chest: Incline and Flat bench, and one set decline just to hit all angles and then close grip bench, finish with Incline Fly's. For shoulders just side delt raises and overhead press and rear delts, Triceps is Cable press downs, And one arm dumbbell tricep extension behind the head and they also get worked from the close grip bench and all the bench pressing. Abs are just Weighted sit ups and hanging leg raises.
+Chrono garbage
mattrules23australia How dare you sir. "Slaps you with a glove"
Chrono, I love that system. Do you still use it?. I think its better than 3 days a week full body workout.
5:30 why people just don't get is down to all the bad advice you read and see in muscles magazines and videos. Also, there's the fact that people simply like to train everyday concentrating on a couple of bodyparts with a plethora of exercises and pumping 'em up instead of the boring, monotonous full body programs that get boring the longer you do them.
Stick with full body for 6 months and the results you will see will soon shift that boredom.
Jesus dude, what do you mean you don't believe in natural athletes. You don't think we exist, or you don't think anyone should do it?
Beats failing to achieve an elite level with them like he has, lol.
It's a different kind of challenge. Does the same kind of logic apply to gear in powerlifting? You will never achieve as big a bench raw as you can with a shirt, so everybody should jump in a shirt and "bench" more than they deadlift?
ladev91 Whats your Test % level? have you had blood work done?
A majority of males 30+ will be supprised how low a test level they have.
***** There are tested and untested powerlifting federations just like there are raw and geared powerlifting federations.
Bob Peoples deadlifted 725lbs at 181lbs bodyweight and at the age of forty. This was back in the 1949. He trained on his farm, with limited training equipment, oh and he built... I mean craved his basement gym out of solid rock himself. Paul Anderson was his protege, if you don't know who Paul Anderson is you are NOT a powerlifter.
That was no raps, no suits, and no roids. Only a lifting belt, btw that is 4x Bodyweight, what is your deadlift to weight ratio winner?
What are Anabolic steroids? To quote medical text:
"Anabolic steroids, technically known as anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS), are drugs that are structurally related to the cyclic steroid ring system and have similar effects to testosterone in the body. They increase protein within cells, especially in skeletal muscles. Anabolic steroids also have androgenic and virilizing properties, including the development and maintenance of masculine characteristics such as the growth of the vocal cords, testicles (primary sexual characteristics) and body hair (secondary sexual characteristics)."
So to put it bluntly it is Synthetic Hormones of what make a man a man. So you are basically are saying you are NOT man enough to lift the weight without it.
I love Weightlifting, Powerlifting, and Olympiclifting. But Steroids and HGH are the worst thing that ever happened to all of sports.
breakingmuscle.com/strength-conditioning/strongman-profile-bob-peoples-schools-us-on-the-deadlift
I am not strong to any powerlifting criteria, but at my local gym I am the strongest guy, being 35 and with 6 months of trainning. Yes fullbody is way better than splits.
Leroy actually does agree with you on athletes using steroids at least going by what he says, that he would have used them himself if he hadn't gotten out of bodybuilding due to his motorcycle accident.
RIP LEROY!🙏💪💯
haha u didnt link shit
It was hard to switch best thing I did now full body I got it from Leroy ! Thanxz Leroy
I started doing full body 6 months now have done 6 months of splits both good gains off both. but now I'm going back to old school full body every other day. - more rest and more frequency
full body is best imo
Still going?
i have developed my own theory on why ppl dont want to gain strength... i think that ppl who are neither big nor strong want to get big, but are afraid of the big movements (presses, deads, squat) because they have always been embarrassed of how weak they are, so they wont do it... so its not that they dont want "strength" but rather they want a routine without the big movements... i realized this because i have a small friend who refused to do the big lifts and even talked shit about them rather than working to get better at them
All what Leroy says in all his videos are spot on and, to be honest, apart from a few people like Lee Priest, I advise people to REALLY follow Leroys advice. I disagree with what this guy is saying about drugs in this vid completely. You DON'T need steroids to grow big, all it takes is common sense. I've been training for dead on a year now and my growth has been amazing to the extent that Dorian Yates (I train at his gym from time to time - I was born in the same city, Birmingham UK) is amazed with my body. I do full body workouts every day BUT only 3 sets / body part with only moderately heavy weight BEFORE I leave the house (in the morning), then blast my target muscle group in the gym. TBH the full body moderate workouts have DEFINITELY been more beneficial than gym training. It's core to how mu muscles have grown DRUG FREE. Please don't listen to this guy in this vid wrt steroids but full body workouts are ideal for progressive muscle growth. Also, watch ALL of Leroys videos (and AVOID rubbish videos where all people want to do is promote themselves and talk rubbish)... it's all common sense and if you follow it then you will improve much better than you are now.
he didnt say that you need steriods to grow big. In fact, just using steriods to get big is something he is strongly against.
Richard Buhalo Fast forward to roughly @1:21 of this video and LISTEN for a change. He even says athletes SHOULD be on drugs!
Desmond McCarter yeah i know. Read what you originally posted and wht you just replied its 2 different things.
Richard Buhalo ??? I said "I disagree with what this guy is saying about drugs in this vid completely" ... "this" guy meaning the guy in "this" video. "This" video meaning this video, i.e. the video that this thread is on. I'm baffled ....
Desmond McCarter you originally said that you disagree with this guy saying that people need steriods to get big. He never said that. at all. in fact he basically said the opposite. he thinks people juicing jjust to get big is stupid and its a waste of good steriods for atheletes. dont know how else to explain it. listen again and see if you can comprehend what he says.
John Grimek had a 700 pound squat doing only 6 sets of squats per week apparently.
I didn't see the link in the description box.
Leroy Spilled out TRUTH for natural gainers.
I also advocate full-body workouts every other day and have made gains after stagnating for many years. A little off topic but I still don't understand why most people are so fixated on continually getting stronger when they are not competing in lifting comps...?
Sometimes I think it's because either they've give up on gaining mass and/or not possessing the genetics to be aesthetically desirable, or they simply want to out-do others. In the end not many really care about the numbers. And if you have a couple weeks off your numbers will drop. Not to mention the increased risks of not only injury, but the silent degeneration in your joints and discs that comes with using massive loads and full-range of motion another topic Leroy touches on. In the short run one may think they're winning but in the end will lose.
Colbert: full natty brah to the bone! Just a little dianabol here and then doesn't make you enhanced!
***** in todays fitness industry that is natty.
+MrGoranPa Dbol came around the 30s and 40s with the Nazi experiments. Colbert retired around that point as well.
+Anthony Truong he was born in 1933...........
I agree with this approach and it has had good results for me. I like to add some high volume to seated machine rows, they just don't seem to fatigue me as much, but I keep it in the "moderate" range for all presses.
It has been successfully done by some drug free lifters. It is something I have broken down a bit in recent videos.
Well leroy should have demonstration of his works that he use to do. Using a student or a random person I think it would help illustrate his point.
Great Video Jason!!
good point, but if you really think about it , would split routines be as popular as they are today if they only worked with drugs , fuck no, why would so many people be doing them for the past 30-40 years , you got to experiment what works best for you
science is showing that using all rep ranges is optimal, non-linear periodzation training, power days / high rep range days.. not 1 single rep range
I have to say is how is genetics not cheating if steroids are? If people hate steroids because they "make it so people can get results without working as hard" genetics fit that criteria. If you want it to be all about genetics then why not Just have contests done by a genetic test?
That would be the lamest thing possible
What ever all your guys know how to do is take drugs as soon as theres a challenge.
The old man gets a lot of hate? Haven't seen enough of his stuff to know why, but I don't think he deserves it.
check him out
I am right handed and my right arm is about a pound heavier than my left arm and that extra pound is pure muscle. Just found out on the DEXA test.
Soccer players usually have huge legs and relatively skinny arms.
Wrestlers usually have huge upper body and relatively skinny legs.
The answer is right in front of us.
was that a haiku?
+turaniko Once when I was a little boy I caught a fish. I was so proud because it was beautiful and free. Then I let it die in the sun.Sometimes we kill the things we love the most and do not even wonder why until we are very old.Sometimes our dreams are like fish.
I trust leroy I know he till the truth I'm a subscriber too leroy channel
I have been working out for about a year on a 4 day split (Chest+triceps, Legs, Back + Biceps, Shoulders + stomach) I really enjoy training like this but have started to plateau and am looking to give a full body workout a try for a couple of months. The reason why people "don't get it" is simply because it seems impossible to get all the exercises I am doing at the moment into a full body routine... I can't be in the gym for hours and the main lifts I want to do are as follows: Overhead barbell press + seated dumbbell press, incline bench, flat bench, dips, squats, leg extensions, seated and standing calf raises, pull ups, bent over rows, seated dumbbell curls, preacher curls, skull crushers, cable tricep extensions and forearm curls. That's 16 exercises to do three sets on each would be 48 sets...it seems far too daunting to me.
MrDavidhillman That's because you aren't supposed to do full body workouts that way. You're supposed to do something like this:Bench: 3 sets
Chin Ups: 3 sets
Military Press: 3 sets
Rows: 3 sets
Squats: 3 sets
Done. Or you could even switch a few of those to 2 sets instead of 3, like chin ups and rows. If you want to switch to a full body workout, you're sacrificing workout variety and # of sets/exercises for frequency. You're not keeping the sets/workout variety and adding frequency, you're trading them in for greater frequency. You have to be willing to let a lot of those things go if you really want to switch to a full body. If you're doing nothing but the exercises I listed above, but you're progressing every week, your entire body will get bigger and stronger. You don't need 16 exercises and 48 sets for full body. It would virtually ensure failure, because you'd be overtraining profoundly.
Michael L Well I have started full body... gonna give it 3 months tops and see if I can put on strength. Every workout I am finishing with calves (cos I need to bring them up) and every workout I am starting with pull ups. I am doing 4 heavy compound movements and 5 isolation movements per workout... so that is a compromise. My focus is not to grow bigger but to put on strength (particularly with overhead press) and hitting the same exercises multiple times a week I am hoping I can break my plateau and gain strength. Thanks for advise I will tell you how it goes in a few months.
MrDavidhillman i train everyday 3 working sets on the main exercises always leaving 1-2 reps in the tank on assistance exercises 6-12 reps, 2 sets, day 1: squat, bench, chins + 2-3 optional exercises for arms, calves, abs, rear delts etcday 2: deads, militarypress, pullups + 2-3 optinal exercises for traps, calves, abs
works great in adding strenght and size, went from overhead pressing 160lb for 6 reps to 185 for 5 reps in a month if you get your recovery in check, don't overdo it with the volume and it will work for you, you will most likely feel like shit the first few days maybe even 2 weeks since you are not used to that kind of training but it's awesome
Thanks for the info... I will see how I get on since my volume is higher but I am doing every other day. If this gets too much I might well think of doing every day and breaking it up a bit. The first two compound exercises take a lot out of me (3-4 sets each) but I can get through the 3rd and 4th compound movts which I do 3 sets each. The next 3 isolation movts either focus on triceps or biceps (alternate workouts) and are comparatively less taxing... then the two calve movements on the end are low energy really, they just hurt lots (burn like crazy but that's the nature of calves and forearms I find) I try not to fail on any set (I go until I think I will fail next rep) and will just try and get extra weight on the bar keeping reps in the 5-10 range.
MrDavidhillman i go like this: first set till i can maybe get one more rep, second and third till i get maybe 2 more reps and i increase weight everytime but only by 1kg(2.2lb) but if you can do that everytime it would theoretically be 100-150kg per year which is unrealistic but your body has more chances to grow and to get stronger
When your about to watch a fitness video to take away some useful information, but you have to wait 5 seconds to watch Mike Chang advertise his 'magic red drink'...
If you care about powerlifting stop talking about bodybuilding it's two different things
with all do respect and in kindness, what evidence is shown on your body that we should listen to anything you say?
+markszarold Not a bodybuilder though
+SamMight yah, I guess I just gravitate to learning from people who have the experience to show for it not just head learning knowledge. and yes, this guy used to Bodybuilding and in a sense you could say he still is.
+markszarold I agree, We should all listen to Kali muscle, Phil Heath and Jeff seid for advice because their physiques were a result of superior training and nutrition techniques. Thanks markszarold, time to go hit an anabolic window with some fast acting sugars after my 20 sets of leg extensions :)
+D Bechtel hey, man you don't know who I look up to or who I'm referencing. there's a lot more to life than you listing a few modern UA-cam stars; as if that would validate your argument.
+markszarold Knowledge is knowledge man.
I need a bodybuilding program to try out. I am currently doing Stronglifts and making good sttrength gains despite many setbacks. Any suggestions? ( I have lifted seriously for under a year, so a beginner ).
Here is Jason's program for beginners:
www.muscleandstrength.com/workouts/jason-blaha-ice-cream-fitness-5x5-novice-workout
i try dinosaur training now.
+JuggernautFitnessTV: I'm not a strongmen, powerlifter, bodybuilder, but an athletic & fitness fan. So here is my question why can't all of these guys including yourself come together and how have a fitness conference like a car show or car auction selling rare & valuable cars? Also, why not do a combination of body split workout days and full body days due to how your schedule is? Liked your video & will definitely check out more! Thanks!
men in Leroy Coleberts time had higher testosterone in the past 20 years average levels dropped 20% 100 years ago 800 dl of testosterone level was considered low now it's considered high
Ryan Erome many reasons, one of the most notable ones I came across was the implementation of birth control which left estrogenic compounds to pollute our water supply lowering the average t levels
+Ryan Erome 50s weren't a very good decade for my people I'd take it as far as 1800s
+Ryan Erome studies show that we've gotten much much weaker since the industrial revolution alone
+Ryan Erome I'm kenyan, and ya were severely disadvantaged, price of "advancement" I guess, today 2000 dl is only attainable with steroids, 1900s that was the high end, someone with 2000 dl could work up to a 500 bench for reps very easily
BakeIsBaked420 Meathead1991 that's crazy, it's a shame greed has destroyed our world
Hey man, interesting video! As u can see im not mister fitness by a long shoot. I lift and i use whey protein and i try to stick to body builders diet etc. Thanks for the video and the info im channel surfing to get tips im looking to get into body building serious. Not for the stage just for good health mainly.
i dont see any links for his video
and p.s i found your page 100000 more useful and insightful
Its lazyness and laso better for ego to train only one body part in one trainign session. They also dont realy can do any lift properly, so they do a lot of shitty sets of shitty exercises. Yeah, look how much work i did! :-D 10 sets of bieps isolation! i was doing cheat curls all the time, but pull ups are not isolating, so curls all the way. Fuck logic. Choose what is comfortable for the ego.
I have a guys asking what muscle i feel from doing deadlifts all the time....
+Georg Wilde Yep its amazing in a sense... "But I thought this exercise is for the lower back" at the same time having lower back pain.. yes its for lower back pain.. and therefore you use your whole body to do that movement..
well I agree with you all the way about full body workouts, its very simple, it is the best. I did it and I am fucking huge and ripped. THOUGH I really dont understand you telling about the steroids... nobody should use steroids, it's always fake...
leroy can get a discount coffin at walmart for 777$
Breathe man
So Colbert is a bodybuilder and this dude is all about building strength so how the fuck would he know anything about what bodybuilding is about.. Colbert says he doesn't have any idea about power lifting i think you should stick to what you know too
He supports the use of DHEA and you don't.
DHEA is a hormone produced by the adrenal gland, to the best of my knowledge it shouldn't increase muscle growth any more than creatine does. I think it would only increase performance in the gym thus creating more tears on the muscle fibers. If you know more about it than me please fill me in on the details.
Sebastien Roux it suppresses cortisol which better faster recovery, muscle growth happens during resting, sleeping, good rest times, deep sleep better muscle gain. Well rested means more intensity in the gym.
Hold up! I think he knew everything about building ah body, bro! Drugs bro?! Com on man!
I am not rewatching a video made before you reached puberty to try to argue with you, sorry.
so Jason, i had the opportunity to subscribe to Layne Nortons fb page. after a few articles i noticed people posting their opinions etc...the responses that Layne has given were as arrogant and agressive as they can get. I haven't seen anything that has so much arrogance as that page. people were intimidated to comment or disagree. i wasn't and once i disagreed with one of his articles he was trying to be his usual arrogant self.
I just want to say that your articles or posts even if we may disagree on some things I have NEVER gotten an arrogant response from you.
needless to say I am unfollowing Lame Norton
cheers mate
the Bdybuilding media hype nd it glamour ,is the reason why pple dont get it .....n i think that the more experienced pple get , the better they understand what u said in this vid
Interesting...so how many sets you do per body part on a whole body workout day?
+louis santiago Leroys says 6 sets with one minute rest makes a total of 42 sets per workout
***** Do you ever heard of his 42 Sets Method thats how he trained
two Exercises per bp with 3 sets makes 6 Sets per bp last time i checked
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I understand your stance on steroids, i feel that people should be able to do as they please. But i disagree with the idea that all athletes should take steroids. If nobody took steroids athletes would be on just as level a playing field as if everyone did. People give up their good health in order to play some sports better. Although in your case as a power lifter or in the case of a bodybuilder i think it's probably essential. I just don't agree with it's use in other sports, such as baseball, or hockey.
Dude.....everyones body responds difrent so yeah u both....u know
You would feel that athletes should use drugs..nobody should be using drugs.. The side effects u get isn't worthit.. Death acne hair loss horrible skin also it can make u look older..the list goes on.. Work hard on building your physique & be patient for your gains . & dont look at others that are genetically better off &. Get disheartened .. A lot of steroid use is coz of a lack of patience ..& poor body image disorder..
JuggernautFitnessTV
do you even lift bro ?
great f*ing shirt!!!
do you even lift?
mike mentzer said the complete opposite then you
+assaf shmueli Mike Mentzer was on a good amount of drugs. And like most others he gave drugs advice ;)
+NoKamiStrength Mike says in his interview that he is completely against big amount of drugs
But what means a big ammount ?Even when he was on a gram a week this is already a lot. Not a lot by todays standarts, but these guys are insame...Anyway.. my point is. Most of those guys give advice for training on steriods..
I've been a bodybuilder for a many years and I totally disagree on everything you have to say.
shut ____
Jason como'n. You do not believe in natural? Sure, if you want to be the best you have to take something, but if you aren't well above the average when you're natural you won't be best on gear either (unless the gear would have much higher impact on your performance then on the others). If you do not squat 400, bench 315 and deadlift 500 naturally after 1 year of training, then going on gear will leave you in the middle field with screwed up health.
I would go on gear if I would decide to go pro, but I would decide to go pro only if I would outlift 99.999% of the population without training for it for 10 years.
Bro, not everyone is as strong as you. Different people have different strength capabilities.
archinuk417 Hi, I understand, I'm not saying he shouldn't do powerlifting, I'm saying you should not jump on juice, it is not worth it unless you're naturally very strong. What Jason is saying is that he doesn't believe in powerlifting without juice and I think it's wrong. The sport should help you getting healthy not the opposite. In powerlifiting you compete in the first place with yourself and you do not need drugs for that
its very rare that any 1 within the first year of training will be benchin 315 squatin 400 and deadlifitng 500 without drugs. the standards are actually 225bench 315squat 405 deadlift naturally within the first year of lifting and even then that is still above average
Vicious242 I agree with you, but I do not think an average guy should juice, that's my point. You screw up your heath for getting where strong guys can get without the drugs, what's the point? I don't want to figure out that I'm actually weak after juicing for 3 years, that's why I think a man should do proper assessment whether he has potential or not and I just called some stats (we can argue about them) that would give you a quick estimate of your chances (clearly if guys on juice can squat 800 pounds, I do not think they lifted less than 400 without them). Of course, if somebody proves, that somebody can get 3x stronger on a jucie than when natural, whereas an average person gets only 2x stronger, there is a hope for weak lifters to reach unknown territory...
What I meant is that i would go on steroids only if i can achieve those within a year of intensive training as a newbie. My stats were 315/240/380, where I focused mainly on squat and didn't really do much of deadlifts. I stay natural, cause my natural strength is not where it should be on elite level and gear won't fix it. You need to realise that you're probably able to double your guest year stats with gear and 10 years if training so not not worth it if you check what the to level does. You should stay natural and keep progressing...
hey jason for the record i make the best italian gelato and sorbe in this mothafaking planet just so you know :)
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Wasting my megabytes on this comment. Jason Blaha probably voted Trump
Dood Jay Cutler, Phil Heath, Kai Greene they all do 4/5/6 or more way splits and they're HYOOGE so that's the way to train even M&F says so and they got a massive shredded guy on the cover every month!
They experimented? That suggests they tried both splits and fullbody. I've seen many of Colbert's videos, but he never says that he tried splits himself, only that he did better than OTHERS did on splits. This logic is faulty, and compares apples to oranges. We don't know how he may have done had he been on splits himself, compared to himself being on fullbody. My dad is one of these old time bbs (he also taught what they called physical culture), and what I can get our of him is that they trained according to what we today would call "instinct". Fullbody? Sort of, sure, but instinct, which probably meant 2 bodyparts min. per session. He is mind boggled by trainees using someone else's routine. He would tell you you're crazy to think you can use someone else's routine, let alone write something for someone else, but I'm getting off topic. As for 3 days a week, Colbert himself says that the gyms were gender segregated in his area. Men were allowed in only 3 days a week, Thus, fullbody 3x/week is pretty well the the only logical conclusion, when you're restricted access to half the week. Ultimately, access restriction means that 3 days a week fullbody is not a tried and tested side by side to splits before dugs came into regular use. We can also gleen that those that flourished on fullbody routines, could very well just be genetic outliers. Perhaps, everyone else that would have done well on splits, never flourished because they didn't have many places where to train.
i think full body workouts 3 times a week are very good but not as good as training every body part 2 times a week but much harder, depends on ur genetics specifically how fast you can recover, if its hard then full body is probably best, i got a 3 day split i do 2 times a week that works well, but its my limit, if i overtrain sometimes i do full body for a week to have more rest time
+Me Catalin same here
+Me Catalin You dont know how a training like this is build. You got, Heavy,Medium and Light days and you still need to work on progressive overload, and periodisation. Yet you have way much power for the "Big Three" lifts. Which allows you to overload your muscles more effectivly.. And in terms of mass building, the better you become at them, the less assistantswork like Overhead Press, Biceps Curls and stuff is needed.. When we talk about a contest prep, that may be a different matter...
+NoKamiStrength i know how that works :p i do strength training pretty often, but i just like bodybuilding a lot..sometimes i do weeks of hardcore workouts day after day using that principle, even tried squating every day for a month :p