Steve's the type of UA-camr who I love for their personality Of course I'm interested in tech, but I rarely go out and buy new stuff It's just really nice to hear him talk for a while 😊 With that being said, I hope you're having a wonderful day Steve 😁
And about 40% more expensive. I built a 5600/6600 system with 32Gb of DDR4 and 1tb pci-e 4 SSD for about 700 EUR. This mini PC costs about 950 EUR. For 950 I could get a much better PC.
is this possibly the most gaming performance for 150W system usage!? insane efficiency in that stunningly small box, very interesting for uk electricity prices & vanlife solar gaming. great video thnaks! :D
running costs is a huge issue, often forgotten about when people keep spouting off that their gaming PC can do 300 frames a second or path tracing or 16k A system which can play modern games in excess of 60fps and keep running costs to a minimum is a good system
Thats because laptop parts are often more efficient than their desktop counterparts, you can usually see them using half or a third of their laptop version's power with only like a 15% performance drop possibly due to thermal throttling
No, Rdna2 has incomplete power monitoring on desktops and it's uncertain it is the same on laptops, so in reality gpu could be using 10-20 watts more than reported. Also, tuned 4080M would be vastly more power efficient
It stutters even locked to 30 with low settings for me, running a 1660 ti and a 4th gen Ryzen 7. Locking the framerate only seems to reduce the frequency of stuttering. I'd blame Pocketpair, but every major revision of Unreal Engine spends the first 2 years running poorly like this.
@@knowingbadger oh yeah UE5 for Palworld because they were rushed to port the game that was originally written in Unity Engine, so they kinda don't have time for optimization These are the example of UE4 games with noticeable stutter regardless of hardware : Hogwarts Legacy, Days Gone, Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League UE5 Games with noticeable stutter because of incomplete optimization of Engine itself : Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Palworld UE5 games with well polished optimization: Fortnite.
My barebones one arrived today. Was a little annoying to set up. The wifi, bluetooth, and ethernet drivers didn’t install automatically. Luckily I had a usb-c to ethernet adapter laying around, so I was able to use that to find the drivers and install them manually. For anyone seeing this, the HX99G drivers work for this one. Just download them, go into device manager, and then install them from there. Click update driver for each device and select the corresponding folder for it to search for the driver. Now that it’s set up (with Steam Big Picture launching on boot) it’s working beautifully. Super impressive little device. It’s gonna be a great 1080p machine for my living room TV. I could run most of my games at 4K, but from a couch sitting distance and with a 55” TV that is pointless. Plus my TV has VRR (48hz - 120hz) and I’d rather hit that range consistently than needlessly run things at 4K.
I mean in fairness this little box can do more than gaming, it's a powerful all around computer in a small form factor. BTW, I think Palworld stutters are not HW based, I believe it comes down to being an indie game releasing early compared to a studio game in dev terms. Also, after it exploded in popularity I imagine the devs were partying it up for a couple of weeks. I know I would have been. 🍾
Palworld stutters because it's literally an asset flip and has 0 optimization other than whatever LODs may or may not have been included with the free and bought assets.
Palworld in DX11 is a bit stuttering mess, even on my RX 6650 XT. I set it to DX12 (on the launch option, "-dx12") and it solved most of the problem for me.
That moment when this small pc has almost the same performance, and sometimes better performance, than my desktop PC while consuming half the energy and being much more silent, and when we put the price that I paid for my pc in comparison to this...... Well.....
@@RandomGaminginHDthey really have, and just to be clear, I have r5 3600 and a 5700xt with 16gb of ram, and this have almost the same performance consuming less than half the energy, I'm amazed at how fast technology evolves
I've actually tried that with integrated radeon HD 8670D + 7750 2GB (AMD called it Dual mode or something like that). It was a disaster. I had better results with this radeon pluged into a lenovo docking station (@PCI-e x1) and Geforce 8700M GT as a dedicated PhysX card.
You can sort of use them in tandem if you have a postprocessing algorithm (like upscaling, sharpening or frame gen) as a separate process on the other card. Has been pretty useful for me with 660M and 3050 laptop.
My gaming laptop has the exact same processor (though it's also paired with a RTX 4060), it's truly a wonderful processor, even its iGPU (the Radeon 780M) is impressive as you can play modern games on medium (sometimes high) at 60 fps without FSR for the most part. Personally I use the iGPU for older PC games and simple tasks such as web browsing while the 4060 is mostly used for modern titles.
With "dedicated" graphics gpu in this mini pc, does that mean that the 780M is not used at all, or is it used for some other tasks in the pc when not gaming?
The igpu is used for general desktop usage I'm pretty sure, as this is essentially a laptop without a screen. They're all mobile parts. But obviously games will use the dedicated GPU. I could be wrong, but yeh I'd assume this uses AMDs version of Optimus. @@lenniskovgaard8278
Watching both you and Dawid has lead me to beleive that you both understand that "Tower" computers with ATX boards is long gone and probably considered Vintage from here on out. In likely less than a year or two on the outside, SBC's will be powerful enough to outclass any "regular" computers either of you have reviewed say ......3 years ago...even high eng gaming tech will be able to be done on a smaller and smaller scale.
Rookie question from me: What does the upgrade from 32gb to 64 gb ram mean in a machine like this? I really do not know and am trying to keep the budget from running wild in my arcade machine where I will put it.
I need to add an external power button (theis is going in an arcade cabinet). How do I find out if there are connectors on the motherboard for "POWER SW", "POWER LED+" and "POWER LED-"? Or if the power-connection is soldered solid in stead??
I have the hx80g... And it's indeed not something for everyone. For some context, I had a budget of 700€, I needed something with quiet a bit more power than my old ryzen 5500u laptop but small enough to keep it in bagback while travelling (since I move for work every 3 months). So, first I wanted a gaming laptop, but for that price pretty much everything has an rtx 3050 with just 8gb of ram, no software and that shitty display with 60% rgb coverage... I would had tob pay more than 1k€ to have what I needed. This was my only option since the gpu has the exact amount of power I need, with windows 11 pro already installed, 32 gb of Ram, a good portable monitor and a decent speaker was just 770€ in total... So, it's a pc for a very particular use. It doesn't get really hot for something this small and REALLY quiet, even at full performance it's barely noticeable The cons are that is not really upgradeable, need always to be plugged, it's hard to clean the fans, and with the pc, the charger, keyboard, mouse and the portable monitor make the bagback considerable heavy, almost 5kg
Would love to see this in a steam deck handheld form factor in the future. Although that is a lot of power draw and in turn heat, so not sure if it's even feasible. But these are certainly at the point where I could replace my entire "high-end" atx large system from 2017 with one of these with minimal compromises...
I have a big theory on 3:00 that the game is not really allocating that rest of vram! It's windows running on the background, On my pc windows 11 take up to 0.5gb's of vram running with nothing on, Steam on the other hand if left with hardware acceleration on take an other 200-500mb of vram as well! and also google chrome with any extensions and hardware acceleration can also eat up vram!.. 8gb are actually still enough for most games but background stuff do steal up to 1gb and it's redicilus.
This performance makes me think that we're quickly heading towards a future where graphics cards will be rendered obsolete, kinda like how sound cards were.
Tbh some lower end cards already could be considered obsolete when compared to certain iGPUs. The price of lower end cards will always make them tempting though
Soundcards ain't obsolete still used a lot in audio production and for any good headphones you need a lot more power then your onboard audio can provide.
@@xfy123 For the average person, i.e not audio engineers or audiophiles, Soundcards aren't necessary; onboard audio is more than good enough for 99% of people.
Man this is insane back when 1080p was a norm and in many instances people still play at 1080p who would have wondered a CPU with onboard graphics will play games at high settings above 60fps is insane
with BG3 i suggest to actually get to act 3 (big city) and benchmark there as worst case scenario, and you spend quite a lot of time in act 3. BUT it will take you some time to do this, game is LOOOONG.
Just got my HX99G today but I'm not sure how to ensure the video output is coming from the RX6650M and not the radeon on the motherboard? I'd prefer to use the USBC cable. Tks!
Wish AMD provided an iGPU-less version of this chip. Would be perfect for this kind of mini PC. I'm sure there are binned CPUs with dead 780Ms that would free up the supply of working 780M chips
Did you disarm it? How easy would it be to disassemble it without practically touching the electronic components? I just bought it but I would like to paint the plastics white, I think it would look great in combination with the carbon fiber, but I'm afraid of screwing it up.
I said to myself “”that can’t be true ,surely at some point of the video the price was mentioned and I 🤔didn’t noticed”” , so … I re-watched the video only to realize that the tech-specs were there but the price was indeed … 😲absent !! Everywhere these days I hear the phrase “” *there is no bad product ,only bad prices* ”” ,so based on that phrase ,obviously I can’t conclude whether or not this is a “bad” product or not. So , out of curiosity I spent extra time to find out this product’s price. For whomever is interested this configuration that we were shown costs : $ *905,00* ,and now everyone can estimate whether this product is “good” or “bad”. (*if this wasn’t obvious by the tone I’ve used ,I was very disappointed/frustrated by the “absent” price and that I had to look at it by myself : In every GPU ,their prices were always being mentioned in order for the reviewer to “burry” them or not , but apparently ,for mini-PCs such as this ,this info isn’t necessary … )
Hey Steve, great review. This mini is a beast, I got mine last week. But one of the two fans is constantly spinning, right from the moment I hit the start button of the machine. Do you know if that's supposed to happen ? Thanks.
Mine only has 1 of the 2 fans spinning. Why is that? I checked the bios to make sure both fans are enabled and they are. I'm so confused can someone help me out?
have you considered revisiting halo infinite on a range of hardware? the performance issues and stutter have been patched since launch and id be interested to see how it runs on other systems. my rtx 2070 and r5 3600x run it smoothly at +60fps at 1440p med
What are AV1 encoding used for especially? (sorry if it's a stupid question, I try to make sure I don't buy a mini pc with something important missing).
@@lenniskovgaard8278 It's used for video and video streaming encoding. Pretty useful for content creators, as using a different encoding method generally produces lower quality and higher file sizes.
How much storage can I add to the free M.2 slot? It comes with 1TB PCIe storage installed. Can I add 2TB, 4TB or only 1TB in the available slot? I have asked Minisforum support I they answer very strangely: I’m not sure about this. But I can tell you wich interface is using what memory. After all I also need to see the actual product to confirm”. This is a very Strange answer to a very simply question I think. I’m not a computer-Wizard, but the company don’t know how much storage the free M.2 slot can handle???!!
If I wanted the cheapest possible pc for pure retro emulation, is it better to buy one of these mini prebuilt type things or get an old Dell optiplex dirt cheap and fit it with very affordable parts?
Impressive, but not a big difference to the one with 6600m. I can't understand why they are still building new machines with 8GB VRAM solutions. Since this is RDNA2 and they already have a part with 6600m, they should have gone with an 6850m and 12GB, which in fact would the best choice overall today since RDNA3 mobile does not have any option with more than 8GB (not counting the 7900m, which up to now is a paper release being exclusive on that alienware laptop no one could really buy)
Thanks for the review 🙂. I have an amateur question maybe You or someone in here can help with please. I'm ordering one of these as my first PC in many years and I am gonna install it in an arcade cabinet. (I'm so old that now's the time to play retro games...again...but I also wan't to be able to play new games like the ones in this review). QUESTION: How easy / difficult is it to get in and install an extra m.2 ssd for storage? As I read the specs, there should be an avalílable slot in there. This will be my only PC and 1TB is not enough for steam games, my 3D printing files etc. So I would love to put a 2 TB extra in. (Actually I would like a 4TB better, but I don't think this mini PC can accept more than 2TB per slot unfortunately?). I have never build a pc myself, but maybe this part is ok difficulty level for me?
I was loving mine, but within the first two weeks of ownership, and light gaming, the GPU went tits up and began shutting off within minutes of playing any game. Couldn't do a thing to fix it. Returned, and extremely disappointed. Would not recommend this device from my experience.
When you're saying 100 Watts of power and using AMD gpu, keep in mind, that software only measures - let me quote Igor's lab- The scheme for the TGP-relevant areas shows that apart from the GPU and the memory, NOTHING else is really included. AMD’s specifications thus refer purely to the GPU and the memory, EXCLUDING all other losses, including those of the voltage converters! This is also reflected in the fact that the power consumption of hot AMD graphics cards can increase significantly without the performance dropping completely. You can’t just add a few watts on top by rule of thumb either, that will definitely go wrong as well. However, depending on the level of the TGP and thus also the board and component temperatures or the quality of the installed voltage transformers, you can assume an addition of between approx. 20 and 30 percent to the TGP to arrive at the actual final value. This is very rough and inaccurate. And it ends up being one of the reasons why I absolutely dislike software “measurements” on AMD graphics cards. In
At least it has usb 4 so video output over usb c is possible... Edit : I checked the site and it seems like previous model has dp out but new model has usb 4 so idk.
What’s better for gaming Radeon RX 6650M or AMD Radeon 780M? Basically what I’m trying to ask is a “MINISFORUM Neptune HX100G Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS 64GB DDR5 1TB SSD AMD Radeon RX 6650M Mini Gaming PC” Or a “ MINISFORUM Venus UM790 Pro Mini PC AMD Ryzen 9 7940HS up to 5.2 GHz 64 GB DDR5 1TB SSD with AMD Radeon 780M” Better for gaming?! 😖 😝🤣👍😁
@@karlogrimaldi6787 i already did search that. A system with (i picked parts from Amazon) Ryzen7 5800X/B550 mobo/32GB RAM 3200MHz/1 TB Samsung M.2 SSD gen4/ Corsair tower/ Tt CPU cooler/Corsair RMx850watt PSU /RTX2060Super or RTX2070Super(around 200$ at Ebay) ,cost around $915 , while this one , *with PSU which isn't mentioned on specs* ( *probably low-end* ) costs $905.
Not to mention that the PSU isn’t even mentioned ( so probably a low/er quality one). I searched for an alternative : Ryzen7 5800X/B550 mobo/32GB RAM 3200MHz/1 TB Samsung M.2 SSD gen4/ Corsair tower/ Tt CPU cooler/a *super-high quality* Corsair RMx850watt *PSU* /RTX2060Super or RTX2070Super(around 200$ used) ,cost around $915 , while this one costs $905.
Can't wait for HX200G with its 7600m xt, and ROG NUC.
Yeah some awesome mini PCs coming up
Nuc
ROG NUC? sign me up baby!
I want the one with the 8600 in it.
When is that one coming out.
Was actually looking at one of these the other day. Appreciate this a lot. Thank you!
Hope it helps! Thanks for watching
this mini pc is very powerful i must say! also 7:10 gta v moment.
Steve's the type of UA-camr who I love for their personality
Of course I'm interested in tech, but I rarely go out and buy new stuff
It's just really nice to hear him talk for a while 😊
With that being said, I hope you're having a wonderful day Steve 😁
Thanks! Pretty good apart from the usual rain here! Hope you’re having a good day too :)
His voice sounds like an ASMR to me lmao, very calming
I was thinking you meant someone else since I had no idea another PC tech youtuber is called Steve, lol
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So comparable or better performance to my 5600x & 6600xt with 2/3 of power consumption and in the size of my GPU, impressive!
And about 40% more expensive. I built a 5600/6600 system with 32Gb of DDR4 and 1tb pci-e 4 SSD for about 700 EUR. This mini PC costs about 950 EUR. For 950 I could get a much better PC.
@@mikehawk6918 Tbf, that's just how PC hardware works. It's always a "fast, cheap or small: choose two" situation.
@@mikehawk6918 Well the 7840 is zen4 which means it's more expensive and then this means you use DDR5 instead of DDR4, so again more expensive.
YOU: "Going to start playing baldurs gate 3 properly..."
See you in a month or so 😋
That grenade fail 💀😂
is this possibly the most gaming performance for 150W system usage!? insane efficiency in that stunningly small box, very interesting for uk electricity prices & vanlife solar gaming. great video thnaks! :D
running costs is a huge issue, often forgotten about when people keep spouting off that their gaming PC can do 300 frames a second or path tracing or 16k
A system which can play modern games in excess of 60fps and keep running costs to a minimum is a good system
Thats because laptop parts are often more efficient than their desktop counterparts, you can usually see them using half or a third of their laptop version's power with only like a 15% performance drop possibly due to thermal throttling
No, Rdna2 has incomplete power monitoring on desktops and it's uncertain it is the same on laptops, so in reality gpu could be using 10-20 watts more than reported.
Also, tuned 4080M would be vastly more power efficient
I am so happy that you still test Kingdom Come Deliverance, that future graphics warning always stuck with me
Palworld stutters even on my 6900xt. Locking it to 60 fixed it for me.
Ah ok glad to know it’s not just me!
It stutters even locked to 30 with low settings for me, running a 1660 ti and a 4th gen Ryzen 7. Locking the framerate only seems to reduce the frequency of stuttering. I'd blame Pocketpair, but every major revision of Unreal Engine spends the first 2 years running poorly like this.
@@RandomGaminginHDThe stutters is because of Unreal Engine 4.
We all know Unreal Engine 4 is notorious for Stutter regardless of hardware
@@niezzayt3809 UE5 you mean. Many UE4 games are stutter free
@@knowingbadger oh yeah UE5 for Palworld because they were rushed to port the game that was originally written in Unity Engine, so they kinda don't have time for optimization
These are the example of UE4 games with noticeable stutter regardless of hardware : Hogwarts Legacy, Days Gone, Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League
UE5 Games with noticeable stutter because of incomplete optimization of Engine itself : Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Palworld
UE5 games with well polished optimization: Fortnite.
My barebones one arrived today. Was a little annoying to set up. The wifi, bluetooth, and ethernet drivers didn’t install automatically. Luckily I had a usb-c to ethernet adapter laying around, so I was able to use that to find the drivers and install them manually. For anyone seeing this, the HX99G drivers work for this one. Just download them, go into device manager, and then install them from there. Click update driver for each device and select the corresponding folder for it to search for the driver.
Now that it’s set up (with Steam Big Picture launching on boot) it’s working beautifully. Super impressive little device. It’s gonna be a great 1080p machine for my living room TV. I could run most of my games at 4K, but from a couch sitting distance and with a 55” TV that is pointless. Plus my TV has VRR (48hz - 120hz) and I’d rather hit that range consistently than needlessly run things at 4K.
Love your videos bro and they just keep getting better.
I mean in fairness this little box can do more than gaming, it's a powerful all around computer in a small form factor. BTW, I think Palworld stutters are not HW based, I believe it comes down to being an indie game releasing early compared to a studio game in dev terms. Also, after it exploded in popularity I imagine the devs were partying it up for a couple of weeks. I know I would have been. 🍾
Palworld stutters because it's literally an asset flip and has 0 optimization other than whatever LODs may or may not have been included with the free and bought assets.
@@mikehawk6918 I don't think you know what an asset flip is.
It's not even getting that hot either. That's INSANE
Yeah surprising temps
Absolutely love the explosion transition from GTA V haha, as always great video!
Palworld in DX11 is a bit stuttering mess, even on my RX 6650 XT. I set it to DX12 (on the launch option, "-dx12") and it solved most of the problem for me.
Ah I’ll have to try that! Thanks
That moment when this small pc has almost the same performance, and sometimes better performance, than my desktop PC while consuming half the energy and being much more silent, and when we put the price that I paid for my pc in comparison to this...... Well.....
Mini PCs have certainly come a long way
@@RandomGaminginHDthey really have, and just to be clear, I have r5 3600 and a 5700xt with 16gb of ram, and this have almost the same performance consuming less than half the energy, I'm amazed at how fast technology evolves
I would love to see someone do a test of this PC with an external GPU for comparison.
A very impressive little unit indeed “that’s what she said……”🤦♂🤦♀🤷♂🤷♀😅😂🤣😂🤣
Pretty much this thing runs everything that can run 🎉
the end of the gta 5 clip was funny
Thank you for still including GTAV in benchmarks. GTAV is the only way I can get a general idea on how powerful a GPU is :D
That GTA5 gameplay is hilarious.
In the future if amd fixes it ,we might be able to use the 780m with the rx6650m at the same time
That would be awesome
Its only possible if game is coded for dx12 multi-adapter feature, like Ashes of singularity, otherwise driver can't force it.
I've actually tried that with integrated radeon HD 8670D + 7750 2GB (AMD called it Dual mode or something like that). It was a disaster. I had better results with this radeon pluged into a lenovo docking station (@PCI-e x1) and Geforce 8700M GT as a dedicated PhysX card.
You can sort of use them in tandem if you have a postprocessing algorithm (like upscaling, sharpening or frame gen) as a separate process on the other card. Has been pretty useful for me with 660M and 3050 laptop.
@@HunterTracks That sounds interesting. How do you force the algorithm to the passive GPU?
My gaming laptop has the exact same processor (though it's also paired with a RTX 4060), it's truly a wonderful processor, even its iGPU (the Radeon 780M) is impressive as you can play modern games on medium (sometimes high) at 60 fps without FSR for the most part.
Personally I use the iGPU for older PC games and simple tasks such as web browsing while the 4060 is mostly used for modern titles.
This makes a lot more sense to me than the 780M for not much more money.
With "dedicated" graphics gpu in this mini pc, does that mean that the 780M is not used at all, or is it used for some other tasks in the pc when not gaming?
The igpu is used for general desktop usage I'm pretty sure, as this is essentially a laptop without a screen. They're all mobile parts. But obviously games will use the dedicated GPU. I could be wrong, but yeh I'd assume this uses AMDs version of Optimus. @@lenniskovgaard8278
Watching both you and Dawid has lead me to beleive that you both understand that "Tower" computers with ATX boards is long gone and probably considered Vintage from here on out. In likely less than a year or two on the outside, SBC's will be powerful enough to outclass any "regular" computers either of you have reviewed say ......3 years ago...even high eng gaming tech will be able to be done on a smaller and smaller scale.
I used to have this before i sold it and upgraded, it runs pretty well, i can remeber getting around 100fps on ac oddest at 1080p high
Not bad, and I would certainly plump for the 64GB RAM option, because never go for less than the maximum! You can never have too much RAM!
Rookie question from me: What does the upgrade from 32gb to 64 gb ram mean in a machine like this? I really do not know and am trying to keep the budget from running wild in my arcade machine where I will put it.
32 gb is more than enough. Even 2024 games still only list 16 gb in recommended specs
I'd be interested in seeing some external GPU solutions with devices like these.
I need to add an external power button (theis is going in an arcade cabinet). How do I find out if there are connectors on the motherboard for "POWER SW", "POWER LED+" and "POWER LED-"? Or if the power-connection is soldered solid in stead??
Nice to see a mini PC with decent temperatures.
I have the hx80g... And it's indeed not something for everyone. For some context, I had a budget of 700€, I needed something with quiet a bit more power than my old ryzen 5500u laptop but small enough to keep it in bagback while travelling (since I move for work every 3 months). So, first I wanted a gaming laptop, but for that price pretty much everything has an rtx 3050 with just 8gb of ram, no software and that shitty display with 60% rgb coverage... I would had tob pay more than 1k€ to have what I needed.
This was my only option since the gpu has the exact amount of power I need, with windows 11 pro already installed, 32 gb of Ram, a good portable monitor and a decent speaker was just 770€ in total... So, it's a pc for a very particular use. It doesn't get really hot for something this small and REALLY quiet, even at full performance it's barely noticeable
The cons are that is not really upgradeable, need always to be plugged, it's hard to clean the fans, and with the pc, the charger, keyboard, mouse and the portable monitor make the bagback considerable heavy, almost 5kg
Would love to see this in a steam deck handheld form factor in the future. Although that is a lot of power draw and in turn heat, so not sure if it's even feasible.
But these are certainly at the point where I could replace my entire "high-end" atx large system from 2017 with one of these with minimal compromises...
Plase include PUBG and Alan Wake 2 i future videos. Btw. Nice work.
That's a great Portable pc.
Is the machine clean? Recently the mini PCs manufacturers are under scrutiny after spyware being found on the drives and bios
I have a big theory on 3:00 that the game is not really allocating that rest of vram! It's windows running on the background, On my pc windows 11 take up to 0.5gb's of vram running with nothing on, Steam on the other hand if left with hardware acceleration on take an other 200-500mb of vram as well! and also google chrome with any extensions and hardware acceleration can also eat up vram!.. 8gb are actually still enough for most games but background stuff do steal up to 1gb and it's redicilus.
With that shape, it's basically a PC as a sort-of console if you game on it.
This performance makes me think that we're quickly heading towards a future where graphics cards will be rendered obsolete, kinda like how sound cards were.
Tbh some lower end cards already could be considered obsolete when compared to certain iGPUs. The price of lower end cards will always make them tempting though
Wishful thinking 😉
Soundcards ain't obsolete still used a lot in audio production and for any good headphones you need a lot more power then your onboard audio can provide.
@@xfy123
True
They're a niche thing....most people are fine with integrated stuff
@@xfy123 For the average person, i.e not audio engineers or audiophiles, Soundcards aren't necessary; onboard audio is more than good enough for 99% of people.
This Mini PC can be a good choice for a compact form factor and it packs a lot of power for it's size
Absolutely :)
More palworld benchmarks !
Palworld stuttering all the time or after shader compilation completed it's gone ?
Dam Pallworld is a lot harder to run then i thought. Ive never played the game so i thought it was just easy to run because of its art style
7:08 nice martyrdom lol
Man this is insane back when 1080p was a norm and in many instances people still play at 1080p who would have wondered a CPU with onboard graphics will play games at high settings above 60fps is insane
It isn't running on the igpu. The 6650M is a dedicated graphics card?
Careful with some of these mini PC's, I've been seeing ones that come with pre-installed malware
I have this computer. It’s quite good.
You should add helldivers 2 to the tests in the future since it is so popular
Awesome lil monster.
with BG3 i suggest to actually get to act 3 (big city) and benchmark there as worst case scenario, and you spend quite a lot of time in act 3. BUT it will take you some time to do this, game is LOOOONG.
That iGPU is crazy powerful for a mini PC. It's an interesting buy!
It´s not an iGPU
@@leruty huh, I stand corrected then. Still, this mini PC looks like basically what folks want for a space-saving gaming setup and I like it
4:15
"drops to *high 60's*~
Damn you sounded a little romantic there saying that
Another excellent video! Is there a way to get in touch with you regarding some ... stuff?
Just got my HX99G today but I'm not sure how to ensure the video output is coming from the RX6650M and not the radeon on the motherboard? I'd prefer to use the USBC cable. Tks!
Wish AMD provided an iGPU-less version of this chip. Would be perfect for this kind of mini PC. I'm sure there are binned CPUs with dead 780Ms that would free up the supply of working 780M chips
I got confused at first thinking this was the previous AMD 6000 series. For example the 2011 Mac Mini has a 6630M.
Thanks. 😊
Nice video.
But don't like the 4 prong power plug, nightmare disaster pending, when 1 or 2 pins stay inside the hole and the PC doesn't work anymore.
Did you disarm it? How easy would it be to disassemble it without practically touching the electronic components? I just bought it but I would like to paint the plastics white, I think it would look great in combination with the carbon fiber, but I'm afraid of screwing it up.
I said to myself “”that can’t be true ,surely at some point of the video the price was mentioned and I 🤔didn’t noticed”” ,
so … I re-watched the video only to realize that the tech-specs were there but the price was indeed … 😲absent !!
Everywhere these days I hear the phrase “” *there is no bad product ,only bad prices* ”” ,so based on that phrase ,obviously I can’t conclude whether or not this is a “bad” product or not.
So , out of curiosity I spent extra time to find out this product’s price.
For whomever is interested this configuration that we were shown costs : $ *905,00* ,and now everyone can estimate whether this product is “good” or “bad”.
(*if this wasn’t obvious by the tone I’ve used ,I was very disappointed/frustrated by the “absent” price and that I had to look at it by myself :
In every GPU ,their prices were always being mentioned in order for the reviewer to “burry” them or not , but apparently ,for mini-PCs such as this ,this info isn’t necessary … )
Hey Steve, great review.
This mini is a beast, I got mine last week.
But one of the two fans is constantly spinning, right from the moment I hit the start button of the machine.
Do you know if that's supposed to happen ? Thanks.
This is what a Steam Machine should have been =/
Can you put a separate Gpu In a dock and connect it via thunderport or usb4
Damn now I Wana upgrade my h99x
No way this performs as good as my 4060Ti equipped PC T-T
Mine only has 1 of the 2 fans spinning. Why is that? I checked the bios to make sure both fans are enabled and they are. I'm so confused can someone help me out?
I've heard Wendell from Level1Techs talk about Minisforum PCs several times. He seems to be impressed with them. I can see why.
have you considered revisiting halo infinite on a range of hardware? the performance issues and stutter have been patched since launch and id be interested to see how it runs on other systems. my rtx 2070 and r5 3600x run it smoothly at +60fps at 1440p med
I wonder if multiplane overlay is causing some of the stutters. Have you tried disabling MPO?
6650m lacks av1 encoding/decoding. What was AMD thinking ?
Yeah :(
6650M was launched in Jan 2022, before AV1 got widespread support. Also, 780M has full AV1 support, so you can always use it instead.
What are AV1 encoding used for especially? (sorry if it's a stupid question, I try to make sure I don't buy a mini pc with something important missing).
@@lenniskovgaard8278 av1 codec is used for encoding/decoding videos. It offers much better video quality than other codecs at lower bitrate.
@@lenniskovgaard8278 It's used for video and video streaming encoding. Pretty useful for content creators, as using a different encoding method generally produces lower quality and higher file sizes.
Have you tried helldivers 2 on it?
How much storage can I add to the free M.2 slot?
It comes with 1TB PCIe storage installed.
Can I add 2TB, 4TB or only 1TB in the available slot?
I have asked Minisforum support I they answer very strangely: I’m not sure about this. But I can tell you wich interface is using what memory. After all I also need to see the actual product to confirm”.
This is a very Strange answer to a very simply question I think.
I’m not a computer-Wizard, but the company don’t know how much storage the free M.2 slot can handle???!!
If I wanted the cheapest possible pc for pure retro emulation, is it better to buy one of these mini prebuilt type things or get an old Dell optiplex dirt cheap and fit it with very affordable parts?
do both of the fans in your unit spin when you power on? only my top fan ever spins
could do the explosion test on bg3 that techyescity uses for like 5fps 1% low
Impressive, but not a big difference to the one with 6600m. I can't understand why they are still building new machines with 8GB VRAM solutions. Since this is RDNA2 and they already have a part with 6600m, they should have gone with an 6850m and 12GB, which in fact would the best choice overall today since RDNA3 mobile does not have any option with more than 8GB (not counting the 7900m, which up to now is a paper release being exclusive on that alienware laptop no one could really buy)
And in WQHD?
Does the amd fluid motion frames works with RX6650M ?
Thanks for the review 🙂. I have an amateur question maybe You or someone in here can help with please. I'm ordering one of these as my first PC in many years and I am gonna install it in an arcade cabinet. (I'm so old that now's the time to play retro games...again...but I also wan't to be able to play new games like the ones in this review). QUESTION: How easy / difficult is it to get in and install an extra m.2 ssd for storage? As I read the specs, there should be an avalílable slot in there. This will be my only PC and 1TB is not enough for steam games, my 3D printing files etc. So I would love to put a 2 TB extra in. (Actually I would like a 4TB better, but I don't think this mini PC can accept more than 2TB per slot unfortunately?). I have never build a pc myself, but maybe this part is ok difficulty level for me?
Nice 👍
How does the 6650m compare to a 780m
can u try Atrk ascend please ?
Hello from Thursday
its kind of sucks they always keep laptop specs and power limited chips while there is room for more, temps are good.
I was loving mine, but within the first two weeks of ownership, and light gaming, the GPU went tits up and began shutting off within minutes of playing any game. Couldn't do a thing to fix it. Returned, and extremely disappointed. Would not recommend this device from my experience.
Starfield?
looks faster than my standard 6600 lol
Haha I’ll have to run some comparisons one day!
When you're saying 100 Watts of power and using AMD gpu, keep in mind, that software only measures - let me quote Igor's lab- The scheme for the TGP-relevant areas shows that apart from the GPU and the memory, NOTHING else is really included. AMD’s specifications thus refer purely to the GPU and the memory, EXCLUDING all other losses, including those of the voltage converters! This is also reflected in the fact that the power consumption of hot AMD graphics cards can increase significantly without the performance dropping completely. You can’t just add a few watts on top by rule of thumb either, that will definitely go wrong as well. However, depending on the level of the TGP and thus also the board and component temperatures or the quality of the installed voltage transformers, you can assume an addition of between approx. 20 and 30 percent to the TGP to arrive at the actual final value. This is very rough and inaccurate. And it ends up being one of the reasons why I absolutely dislike software “measurements” on AMD graphics cards. In
Why is the minimum FPS greater than the 0.1% lows? Surely the minimum is the 0% lows? You can't go below minimum.
BG3 requires no knowledge about the previous games whatsoever. It can be enjoyed as a standalone game.
Don’t think there is a proper way to play BG3. That’s part of the charm.
Agreed, the replay value is huge.
Why two HDMI..? At least one DP, please...?
At least it has usb 4 so video output over usb c is possible...
Edit : I checked the site and it seems like previous model has dp out but new model has usb 4 so idk.
How much is it though, availability?
What’s better for gaming Radeon RX 6650M or AMD Radeon 780M?
Basically what I’m trying to ask is a “MINISFORUM Neptune HX100G Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS 64GB DDR5 1TB SSD AMD Radeon RX 6650M Mini Gaming PC”
Or a
“ MINISFORUM Venus UM790 Pro Mini PC AMD Ryzen 9 7940HS up to 5.2 GHz 64 GB DDR5 1TB SSD with AMD Radeon 780M”
Better for gaming?! 😖
😝🤣👍😁
RX 6650M is a dedicated graphics card which at this point is superior to the IGPU the I means integrated with the Central Processing Unit.
750$?!? Hell nah
ehmm , actually it's even more : $ 905 !!😉
Nah, seems a bit noisy, pricey (£889) and not actually that small. I would like to see inside, to see the graphics card and the cooling solution.
Can you suggest anything that would make sense to you ?
@@karlogrimaldi6787 i already did search that.
A system with (i picked parts from Amazon) Ryzen7 5800X/B550 mobo/32GB RAM 3200MHz/1 TB Samsung M.2 SSD gen4/ Corsair tower/ Tt CPU cooler/Corsair RMx850watt PSU /RTX2060Super or RTX2070Super(around 200$ at Ebay) ,cost around $915 , while this one , *with PSU which isn't mentioned on specs* ( *probably low-end* ) costs $905.
Not to mention that the PSU isn’t even mentioned ( so probably a low/er quality one).
I searched for an alternative :
Ryzen7 5800X/B550 mobo/32GB RAM 3200MHz/1 TB Samsung M.2 SSD gen4/ Corsair tower/ Tt CPU cooler/a *super-high quality* Corsair RMx850watt *PSU* /RTX2060Super or RTX2070Super(around 200$ used) ,cost around $915 , while this one costs $905.
All it needs to do is YT CS2 GTAV PH and a bit of hotmail, and shes a goodun
The integrated GPU is newer than the dedicated, lol.
Forza?