Can This Mini PC Play AAA Games? Checking Out The Minisforum Neptune HX100G
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Valve could ship something like this as the new Steam Machine. Add in a new Steam Controller, install SteamOS, and you get easy PC gaming for people who don't want to learn what the hell a geforce is.
Yes! I’d buy that in a heart beat lol
You could save $200.00, by buying a console.
@@BansheeBunny Save $200 now, then pay more for games for the rest of that consoles life?
@@jorper2526 SteamOS is a Linux fork, so if your game isn't ported or running off a could server, your SOL. I believe the OPs point is it would make a great gaming PC for people not technically inclined. To a great extent they are correct, but it's still a PC that will need tinkering to get the odd anomaly working. To your point, how many free games is Steam hosting and how do they make revenue from them? Nothing is free, you will eventually pay for it.
@@BansheeBunnyAnd spend the rest of your days wishing you hadn't wasted money on a console . No DayZ community maps for console players. Sorry suckers...
These are pretty great options for sending a link to friends/family who want to game but don't want the DIY aspect of gaming. You're giving up the full integrated laptop with a dGPU for a smaller desktop replacement. I'd pay an additional premium for a Framework-style approach that would let me upgrade and service components more. Also to any future tinfoil UA-cam trolls: I am not a bot. Patreon supports to L1T get to view videos before you do. Calm down the birds are still real.
Itx exists...
Prove the birds are real. (You can't)
Man these bots are getting advanced 😂
You used some pretty big words in that paragraph of yours, so I'm afraid I was both unable to understand you while also still having refused to read it. I conclude therefore you're somehow a bot, and that birds aren't real.
Oh so have you heard ?
No Brian, DON'T !!!!
Considering this was cheaper than my 4070ti super and can actually travel with when I need it. it’s a great option.
now all we need is FSR 3 frame gen on Linux and these minis forum PCs become really compelling little Steam Boxes. Lot of folks with 1080P/60 TVs out there that might really like this format for couch gaming.
This reminds me how flexible my P3 tiny is. I can use any CPU from intel 12/13/14 gen and have a PCIe4.0 x8 connector to fit any HHHL PCIe card (e.g. 25G NIC, A2000/A4000 Ada GPU with cooler mod) while taking just 1 liter of space.
You can build a desktop PC that is just a little bit thicker, with a 7800X3D and a 4060Ti, in the Velka 3 for example. The Velka 7 (
I liked the small form factory for awhile I had a Hades Caynon and it did pretty well and was going to upgrade to this, Instead the spent roughly the same and ended up with a 7800xt atx sized pc.
Got one for my kid (read: for me) and waiting for it to get delivered. BTW loved the way his eyes lit up when he showed the moved previous version 😂
I love this. It's a reminder when I trashed a broken NES, and glued in a VIA motherboard... Damn.. VIA had some funky sizes on their motherboards.. Still remember fondly their pico sizes.. that got tossed into the car with a GPS - back before GPS in cars where a thing ;).
How about AAAA games? :D
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almost any aaa and aaaa games are shit so why?
@@icoborg More A = More better :D
@@icoborgYou missed the joke. No such thing as AAAA games. They would logically be even MORE shit than current AAA games, if that’s even possible
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Once you hit the 1k or even $700 mark you can just build a much better mini ITX PC.
Literally not the same market though.
1 - This is a prebuilt, not a DIY. Different groups of people.
2 - An SFF isn't going to hit this form factor very easily and definitely won't be cheap.
@@Patrick-y4d1z who cares. As long as this cannot have a real graphics card its not worth that high price. And the its not much smaller to justify it.
@@deanwilliams433
I know what you're trying to argue, though I think this classifies as a "real graphics card".
Personally, I don't like these because they're obsolete very quickly.
When I started PC gaming in 2017, I bought a 1080ti for £650. Well, in 2023 that is beaten by a £300 RTX 4060 at half the wattage.
So ideally, you want to be able to swap out components and as such standard form factors should always be sought for in PCs. Buy a prebuilt, sure, but make sure that in 4 years you can replace the graphics card without issue. Same for the Mobo/CPU. You'll need to.
@@Patrick-y4d1z I agree. The fact you cannot make minor upgrades limits this and makes it old fast. I still have a mini ITX PC I built in 2013. Its crazy that a 10 year old CPU still runs so well.
I want a version of this with strix point. I want to add a gpu as well. That should be decent for ai inferencing.
the killer scenario is is the power profile, no way are you even getting close to 200w with a laptop, so for us folks looking to power a small rig, its perfect.
Thats looking like a sweet build server I can throw in a closet for a few years.
this pulls 200W?
their website lists "119.7W"
if it can pull 200 why don't they say that?
It's preety good but itx exists and offers so much more. Worth comparing.
See I've been looking at itx and these. itx is so much much more expensive. Especially the AM5 platform that seems to only have half a dozen motherboards in that format.
By now, this Minisforum HX100G is a little bit of an older system, but still very potent nevertheless.
Cheaper than the GPD external GPU IIRC, but the GPD external GPU is a newer GPU, also IIRC.
2:54, it s a lie, those port aren t USB 4, They are Type C USB 3.2., beside that it s still a beast of Mini PC.
Do we know what the DP resolution outputs limit to over type-c? I've got a 4k165hz monitor, and looking at the pixio 1440p240hz. Would it support the full framerate?
Still waiting for steam to make a steam desktop pc utilizing a custom SoC meant for gaming put into a small footprint like these mini-pcs. Lol
I love my x99 super fast I stream play league run music discord and other applications all at once no frame drops stays cool ....only issues we're some blips with the USB 3 updating driver fixed that ...mine is over clocked with amd 3rd party software mods and tweaking the bios....I really do wish they would update the bios on these maybe people will colab and create a unlocked modded bios.
Considering they said the 200G would have arrived by now... and it's not out there... It seems like it would be a great 15, 20% uplift in performance. But knowing how they treat their own hardware and forget about it... who knows.
I would like a keyboard that is as close to silent as possible while not being mushy with HEAVY (>100g) springs. Can you recommend something please?
can't wait for minisforum thunderbolt 5 solutions
MBT, the base machine is 599, which, I think is a bloody bargain.
At 1:56 I would expect 100 FPS in Akila City in Starfield. At 6:10, I would expect 30 FPS in Akila City.
Nice little system. How does it work with proxmox? Can you passthrough the igpu and or the dgpu?
Can it do VFIO? If it can, it might be the ultimate VFIO pre-built
Linux host using the CPU's built-in 780M GPU, and a Windows Virtual Machine with the 6650M passed through to it?
I just love discrete gpus. The design of gpus has gotten way too loud in the years since matrox and riva tnt, some discreteness is in order
The technology is here to push the gpu further but for some reason the market is holding this from the consumer...
Out of stock.. is it the "Wendell" effect? :)
Why don't they update it with 7600m xt and bring back the display ports
Since I got LG's 4K 120Hz TV my new cutoff req is "can it push 4K120 over HDMI?" which still seems like a lot to ask.
Hah, same here. Funny how that works, eh?
Developers are not committed to 1440p/30 on consoles (PlayStation 5), and are especially not committed to 60 FPS or 120 FPS on the CPU, which is difficult to overcome regarding CPU performance, especially with mobile chipsets.
The RX 6650 should be very close to the PlayStation 5's GPU in terms of performance, focusing on 1080p/60, or 1440p/30 upscaled to 4k. The CPU ought to exceed the PlayStation 5's CPU, but doesn't exceed it by enough to guarantee 60 FPS in all instances, and thus AMD's Fluid Motion Frames (AFMF) "Frame Gen" can't be counted on to give the illusion of 120 FPS as it drops out when frame rates fluctuate.
VRAM is also going to be a constricting factor, 8GB is generally for 1080p. 12GB for 1440p, and you will likely need double that, 24GB for true 4k. Putting 4k/120 largely in the realm of the RTX 4090 alone, if 120 FPS is even possible on a per game basis.
@@marvinmallette6795 No expectation of rendering that many game frames, I just like the smoother UI and better text readability of 4K120. Plus the little wince you get when the device you plugged in can't support the native resolution so you have to make the choice of resolution or refresh rate that you're going to sacrifice.
@@cheweh842 120Hz is 120 frames. Anything under 48 FPS generally doesn't work well with Adaptive Refresh Rates, and if you can get over 48 FPS, then Adaptive Refresh Rates seem to be practically unnecessary. I haven't yet figured out the value of FreeSync, or GSync over 60 FPS.
4k/30 is baseline HDMI. 4K/60 or 4k/120 generally require HDMI cabling of a certain spec to support HDCP. AMD just hit the news not too long ago about how difficult it was to get 4k/120 certified on Linux, and the report was that it wasn't hardware but DRM.
How would it compare to say a 3069ti or 3060 in a Ghost Canyon Nuc Extreme, 9980hk? Or even the i7 version? The Ghost Canyon and worstation-ish variants have flex power supplies integrated into the chassis for not larger. You can't turn it on its side without standoffs, though.
Is this worth the extra cost over the hx99g ?
I'm torn between this and the UM780xtx. Would the UM780 be a better choice for future proofing? I could add an EGPU at some point. Looking specifically at the 4070 Ti. Which would you recommend?
I was looking at both as well. Ended up with the HX100G because it has a good discrete GPU and is very quiet. The 780XTX is quite noisy apparently. It also has USB4, so you can connect an eGPU with Thunderbolt if the RX6650M is not enough, but unless if you play games at native 4K, you will not need one.
ASUS is coming out with a 4070 mini pc soon.
Nice! Got a link?
@@autoscopy
I wonder if this will get a 2024 chip update. I really want to see a proper apples to apples of the 7840 and 8840, I know the CPU and iGPU are identical but the NPU has been updated, and that AI chipset should otherwise help with things like FSR, should it not? Unfortunately with all of these being laptop chips, there's just no guarantee that a product revision is just a revision and not a complete change to the motherboard and cooling, a problem seen with laptops. Personally I'm disappointed with AMD of having this 'more of the same' approach, where there's not even a generation between the 7k series and 8k series products, and with RDNA 4 being late to arrive, I just think AMD is falling behind the curve when they've been otherwise strong since Zen started shipping, other than the massive delays on RDNA 3; the only real benefit might be that 2023 versions have a discount compared to the 2024 versions, though I wouldn't expect much of a discount other than yearly update FOMO that the handset market nurtured with yearly releases. My only additional gripe is that these mini PCs are still retaining 'gaming' laptop tiers of pricing, yet logically they should be cheaper as you're stripping all of the peripherals and supplying a barebones chassis, which makes it not price per performance competitive with any other desktop of comparable spec; I understand niche market and all, but come on now, someone getting a desktop would likely look elsewhere unless they have a specific need for a mini PC box, of which virtually anyone outside of specific business and industry would not outright need. Maybe we need Valve to come wreck this market with a low-cost Steam Machine.
I like your video style. Would you consider collaborating on a product video for mini PCs?😊
meh..This just too expensive. I bought their previous model hx80g (5800H+ Radeon 6600m 16/512) more than a year ago for $620. its performs only slightly lower in gaming than this.
well, without a real gpu upgrade, you’re not the target buyer. This needs a 7600M XT, but then the price would be higher.
Generally, you want to upgrade every three to six years, with a 200% to 300% increase in performance. Or, when you can affordably get double the PlayStation 5 performance to compensate for poor optimization on consoles, which is one of the reasons to game on PC anyway.
Went to buy it, but it was already sold out 😭
I went to the supplied link. SOLD OUT 😞
It's nice to get a review from M1, rather than "oh look how cool this is" channels, for a mini pc.
The power supply cord keeps coming out on my HX77G. Any hack that can help lock this thing in?
I know the performance increase wouldn't be very much, but is 6,000 MT/s RAM available?
It supports up to 5600 DDR5
Woot!
Sadly 8GB VRAM ain't enough now, even at low resolution.
You are wrong, but pretend to be right.
I think its time we admit that the current $150-400 GPUs are enough for gaming, thats RTX2060-3070(or 6800xt) in the used market, and 7600xt - 7800xt in the new market
Anything above is pretty much pointless, its a luxury in a niche that is a hobby.
This is why I am not upset with nVidia tbh, AI is alot more lucrative/ useful/ arguably important (and they are doing humanoids now !).
TLDR buy a $200-400 gpu , the money you save invest in something (not financial advice)
With the advent of fsr3 these mobile APUs are only going to get stronger
They will still be linked to the performance of the PlayStation 5 for the next three years at least. So as console developers revert to targeting 30 FPS at 1080p, the MinisForum Neptune's RX 6650 will likely be similarly constrained. If FSR3 is added to older games it _might_ make them retroactively stronger, but it isn't likely to be overly beneficial going forward.
"Neptune" was a codename for a Sega console, and it is likely an intentional reference for a device which is intended to provide parity specs to the 9th Generation of consoles. 1440p/30, with dynamic resolution scaling (DSR) as low as 720p/30.
shame you didnt fully show the inside of the pc...
Heat sink covers most of the top of the board. The bottom of the board is accessible through the bottom of the case to upgrade storage, RAM, and Wifi. The storage uses a full 2280 M.2 slot, with a second 2280 at a 90 degree angle from the corner. RAM is laptop SODIMMs. Note, I don't have the HX100G model specifically, just going on the standard configuration of the MinisForum Neptune series.
nice.
okay but I got an RX6700XT for like 300€ and a Ryzen 7 1800X CPU, Motherboard, and 32GB of DDR4 for free so... my PC beats this value proposition.
COVID inflation seems to be waning, bringing prices down into a more normalized range. This does mean that the "Mini" PC category isn't the best value. "Gaming Laptops" do generally cost more than similar "tier" desktops, and the laptops may use "inferior" mobile parts, or be more limited by thermal or power constraints.
However, if one wants something more compact than an ITX form factor, and less power hungry at the 200 watt category, and not an awkward laptop with a battery to worry about, then $600 to $700 is mighty reasonable.
neat
And its sold out...
the amount of minisforum propaganda on this channel makes it seem like wendell has a vested interest in this company
You probably would too if they kept sending you unobtainium . He just reviewed something that isn’t even in stock lol, hasnt been for well over a week at least. It’s highly likely that this content creator is too lazy or busy to even double check this stuff
I love watching L1techs videos but a lot of them are marketing for the products being showcased.
Meh. Micro-PCs outside of deploying them to Work from Home users, don't really do it for this PC enthusiast. I prefer rigs.
Careful wendell, didnt you mean a smuper mintendoo? Nintendo would never allow anything else!!!!
Console form & PC capabilities
Hummmmm…….
No HDMI 2.1 ... boooo
To hell with HDMI forum!
@@Daniel-wn5yeTell that to TV manufacturers
they need to stop seperating the power brick with devices. Im so sick of it. Thats not the size of the device when i have half a laptop dangling on the cable. Just put it inside already.
I put my brick on a shelf "under" my desk, along with the Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS). It really makes for a clean and low profile top of my desk.