Tokina 11-16 2.8 OLD VS NEW // Just A Scam?!
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- There are two versions of the Tokina 11-16 f2.8, but are there actually any differences?
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I cant believe Sigma hasnt swooped in and made a companion Art 11-16 to go with their other zooms. Tokina is leaving the door wide open.
dang this is a great point actually, if sigma jumped on this and made it under $800 it would sell like crazy
Just bought the "old" 11-16 in mint condition used for $110. I almost feel bad. So far works great on my Z-Cam S6. I get the whole zoom range without any vignette. I also tried it on my full frame Canon DSLR and yea, you have to max out to 16mm and even then you get a fair bit of vignette - but usable if cropped in post a little.
4:56 dang that lens be sounding like an airsoft arena
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Sweet video man! I was the same I owned this guy back in the day and wanted to buy it again for my BMPCC. Saw the new version in a store in Tokyo and did some research. Decided to go with the Gen 1 version! Its such a shame because I think they can improve the af and maybe juice it up with some new coatings.
Dude I'm glad you're still rocking it, bet it looks sick on the BMPCC.
this tokina is a legendary for sure to anyone who starting out, had mine for two years and you can't beat it unless you step to a really high pricepoint and I got it in a bid for $190 bucks almost brand new. the seller was pissed of hahahaha
Yeah dude that's true, and this lens is super light weight, its a one of a kind right now!
So is it worth upgrading to the new version?
you're not talking about chromatic aberreation, that is the biggest improvement between old tokina and the new one
Exactly. If he had read the update spec it clearly says that the only difference was the new coating on the lens and the price 😄
He clearly isn't a photographer, hes just a glorified blogger....
Is that a fact? Because I've seen footage from the new one with similar CA
havimg used the tokina 11-16mm f2.8 at-x pro (not the new version,) i can honestly state this lens has been awsome in its quality and performance. used it on my 5d, 7d and 1d mk3, where it performed very well, no its not canon or nikon quality, (no bones about that) but a BIG BUT iimage quality is very comparable relative to cost at a level price, i have used this lens for weddings, portrait, landscape, close up plant -wildlife, astro, sports and festivals events, where it has never failed to give great to stunning results. my advise is if you have the funds to buy this lens. buy it, try it, if its not for you sell it, and get at least your money back. thats my honest opinion of this lens .
Great review! I did my own review of this lens. I think the new one is totally worth buying... If you don't already own the old one. The real upgrade here is the chromatic aberration improvements. From around f:8 to f:11, I didn't see any color shift in the corners. Love your style!
Thank you 😄
Good to know thanks mate
They fixed one of the big problems with the old one. The old one had ton of CA when shooting wide open. The new open is a big improvement in terms of controlling CA. If you have problems with CA on the old lens, the new lens is worth it. Otherwise its not worth it.
you sure? I've seen footage of the new one with similar CA
@@popotade4621I havent seen any ca with the new one. Or at least nearly as much as mine had when shooting real estate. I had huge purple and green lines on the corners of building it was nothing short of jarring.
Are you recording with an external microphone or is it an internal microphone?
Doesn't make a difference. External mics are still going to pick it up unless you have an expensive XLR shotgun mic.
Is the AF noise still picked up if you use A.) a shotgun mic (Rode Pro) mounted to the top of the camera, B.) a shotgun mic mounted to a boom arm just out of the shot C.) a lav mic clipped to your shirt, D.) a wireless mic clipped to your shirt? I'm very interested in getting a wide angle telephoto with a wider aperture such as the Canon 10 - 20 F/3.5 or the Tokina 11 - 16 F2.8 but all the reviews of this type of lens complain about the AF noise. I don't understand why this happens with the wider aperture lenses and not the F4 or 4.5 lenses. Look forward to your reply.
Finally a video comparing this two lenses! Thank you for this, so it's not worth it lol
I’m glad they rehoused this lens because now that it’s been several years since it released, both old and new versions are super cheap used, and it’s still a solid lens; except now there’s a nicer/newer looking design option.
to be honest i kindof like the focus noise on the Tokinas, they're cute !
thanks for this video, looks like buying second-hand old tokina is still a worth it.
Absolutely Mike!
Nice comparison. But what is the final verdict?. Is it worth upgrading to the new version, or the first model is good enough in this price range. I do landscape so the focus noise is not a problem.
I also thought it was just a different enclosure. But I got the new one used, because the price difference was minimal. When I apply lens distortion correction data from the old AT-X Pro DX model, it doesn't fit my images, lines don't become straight. I have to apply correction data from the ATX-i CF model. The difference in distortion is visible at the naked eye at the wide end. So, they really aren't optically equal after all.
Thanks for the testing. Another thing to point out is the large amount of lens flares it was pulling in. They didn't even update the friggin coatings. It might have been worth it had they at least done that. New design is a lot more pleasing to the eye, but that isn't worth a whole lot to most.
I really want Canon to make a lens like this, a fast ultra wide zoom. It would be great if it could have IS, but I feel like that not only makes it too large, but also will make it too expensive.
yeah seriously the "upgrade" is lazy. Dude it would be awesome if Canon or Sigma stepped in and just destroyed this lens with 1.8 version
@@ZachMayfield Oh yeah! I don't know that Canon can could pull off an F1.8, but I am certain Sigma could. They already got the 18-35mm and 50-100mm F1.8, they could probably figure out some kind of 11-16mm or 10-14mm F1.8, and the entire video community would lose their minds over it! Even it if were a very limited zoom range I would get it, especially if it has that sharpness like the other F1.8 zooms. I would think it would come in at least 1000 USD though, at launch, maybe 1100, and that is a tough sell. But I would be sure that video people would go for it, no doubt. It would be the main reason I would want it. As it stands, the best fast and wide lens I have for video is the Rokinon/Samyang/Bower 10mm F2.8, which isn't very impressive wide open, and fully manual.
I think if Canon were to try it, at best we would get some plastic casing, plastic mount, EF-S 10-14mm F2.8 IS STM, and would likely come in around 699 at launch, maybe 599. Probably follow similar elements as more recent budget class models, which gives pretty good center/mid frame sharpness but lacks in the corners. I think video people and stills people would both be on it, and it could be popular too. And if you consider that the R and RP both can use EF-S lenses via the adapter, and the 4K shoots cropped, I think it could be a very successful lens. Even M series could use it, also via adapter. I know we won't see it though, as they are no longer developing lenses for EF, which I take to also mean EF-S.
Nice video agaim. Yes it seems like there is not much difference between new and old. Also how did you get the canon t7i to look so good. You said you were using the standard profile but it looks like the shadows and highlights were not crushed. It looked nice and soft like your other videos. What did you do.
Hey thank you! So I used the standard profile with contrast, sharpness, saturation turned all the way down. I used lumetri color in premiere to dial in exposure, then I add a curve on the highlights to keep them all under 100 ire and also smooths them out a bit more to give it more rolloff. Hope this helps, there's more detail on this in my 90D review if you wanna check that out
I always shoot with external audio and only use internal for reference, so not worried about the noise of the AF. I’m more interested in it’s speed and accuracy, so be good to hear how you found the new version and the old one.
Great video Zach. New subscriber here!
I was just confused about whether I should buy the older version or go for the new one. Now all my doubts have been put to rest and I am going to buy the Mark 1 on eBay!
Thanks!! 😎
sensable choice, mk1 is a far better quality lens
haha they heard you! They are both $399 in the US now😎
Really love the humor and honesty of your video. You helped me make decision
Thanks for the informative review!!
How is chromatic aberration on new one? Is it better than old one??
Also if you don't have tokina 11-16mm and about to get it, do you recommend new one since it's basically the same?
And one last question, why did you go for Tokina 11-16 F2.8 instead of Tokina 11-20 mm F2.8?
i wonder the same as there is a new TOKINA atx-i 11-20mm F2.8 Canon EF-S mount, wanted to know how this hunting issue with this lens!
Thanks for the great review! I am think of buying a wide angle lens for landscape when travelling. Wondering whether the lens is good under low light conditions. Among Nikkor 10-20mm 4.5-5.6, sigma 10-20mm 3.5, Tamron 10-24mm 3.5-4.5, and this Tokina lens (I am going to lump the old and new as one as they seemed very similar according it your review:). They are about in the same price range, how about their performance? I own a Nikon D500 and a 300mm F2.8 lens for birdwatching, but they can’t do landscape at all LOL.
hi xinlu choosins a lens is relative to your photographic interest and needs, is always your choice, that dependent on your photographic interests . if your are looking into buying a lens for landscape , the tokina 11-16 f2.8 . is a great choice , i own this lense and for me with my camera bodies give great results. i would say its a great lens to purchase subject to having the cash to buy a nikon equivelent.
AF soundin like a dirty diaper
hi
Amazing review, exactly i am looking for, would it be the same hunting for XT-4 like the old one? I do have the old one as you know its like hunting all the time. would you think the new TOKINA atx-i 11-20mm will be better in case? wish you could do that review too :)
I got the xt4 too, I’m curious which adapter you got for this lens? Thanks in advance
@@mayastudios8248 fringer pro II all day everyday. The other adapters for Fuji are terrible
I was going to buy one of these for real estate photography since I've been picking up some work recently but since watching this video I decided to just buy one of the old ones used for like half the price.
heck yes
Thanks for the review. I just got back into photography and am looking at these two lenses for landscapes and astrophotography. I don't vlog so AF noise doesn't matter to me. A used DX II will save me some scratch. Thanks again.
I have just purchased FUJI XT4. It is APS-C Camera. How can i use this lense ? I will get 16-29 in 35mm format with adopter ? Which adopter is better for Fuji ?
I got xt4 too, I’m curious which adapter you got for this lens? Thanks in advance
Viltrox adapter are most popular
Great video! Which Fuji adaptor did you use?
Keep up the great job!
In a noisier environment, such as a street, the lens motor noise on the old Tokina lens is drowned out. But, if you want to hear real lens focus motor noise, get yourself a Nikon D3100 with a AF-S lens. The videos with the internal mic are unusable because if the noise. And the D3100 doesn't have an external mic jack.
Dude this vlog was very informative but I couldn't stop laughing at each time the AF made noise😂😂. Nicely done man
Dude thanks! It's sooo noisy. I'm trying to figure out what vlog lens to go for on the XT4 or if I should just use the Tokina with manual focus
I have one too, I got it used from offer up, I think the girl didn't know it had autofocus if the camera had the motor so it was super cheap , she probably had a d3000 series camera, I have it on my d7500 and it works amazing, just sloppy with the autofocus but gets the job done
wait without the AF noise would this still be competitive option vs the sigma and canon with the speed booster?
In my country this new one costs on 10$ more. I like the new design better. The old one is ugly as f!
I know it's not as important to everyone, but I do appreciate when gear can be aesthetically pleasing. Just about all lenses from the 90's and into the early 2000's have terrible aesthetics. I don't know how much more I would pay, but 10 bucks would be worth it to me.
If it's only that much more I would go with the new one as well, looks much nicer
Definitely not worth “upgrading to” or even buying if you dont have it. Thanks for the video man! Looks great. Next you should take a look at the Tamron 10-24mm F3.5-4.5 Di II VC HLD. I have the 17-35mm F2.8-4 OSD for full frame and I love it, but have always wanted to test out the 10-24mm.
I appreciate ya watching homie! I'll look into those lenses
Could you recommend a wide-angle zoom lens with constant f.28 and auto-focus for less than $400?
Not much point in upgrading based on what I see. This is a lens I was interested in before falling for the Sigma 18-35mm
Yeah I agree, no reason to upgrade at all. I still love having the Tokina and the Sigma zooms, literally covers every range you could need
Zach Mayfield Sigma!!!! I still be drooling over the 50mm F1.4 for portraits too but here comes Sirui with their Anamorphic lens 😍😍 😭😭
I want to see what it might look like on my Bmpcc4k
the thumbnail killed me lmao
my eyes hurt
Super good Zach. What mic were you using for this video?
Thanks Tom! Currently rocking the Deity D3 for vlog style stuff, loving it. I keep the audio level pretty low in camera and do a bunch of post editing to make her sound nice
Glad I found your CH! I did sub 😎
I am about to buy this lens.
I can get either one for $250ish
Would you just go with the new version?
Are there any benefits with the old one?
Thanks
Brent
What mount do you use? Cause I've read this:
"The major version II changes are found in the Nikon mount version of this lens."
I've just bought a second hand II version of the Nikon mount, but because of your video, I'm not sure for which one to go.
Any thoughts on the Tokina Cine version of the 11-20mm?
Lmao! That noise, I had it on my cart ready to checkout. Glad I saw this video.
Great video ! Could you please tell me which lens are you using back at the studio (at 8:30) ? Thanks
Hey Zach! Question for you, when mixing the H265 XT3 footage with the T7i H264 footage, which format did you export in? Thanks!
H.264 us best to export in :)
Daniel Peacocke If I record in the 10 bit h265 and export in 8 bit h264 am I still getting 10 bit color on my export?
@@nehemiahpeterson7156 The main benefit of 10 bit would be for grading. If all of your content is going online then the h.264 export will be perfect. If you wanted more you could export in prores. But the files will be huge.
Daniel said it best. 10 bit gives you the most flexibility in post which will still give you a better end result even when exporting in h.264. That'll give you good quality, but not an enormous file. In my case I want the file to look nice but also stream smoothly so I export in h.264 at a constant bit rate of 55mbps
Would you recommend the Canon 10-18mm kit lens over the Tokina 11-16mm? Ive been bingeing your videos all of quarantine.
It depends! If your main priority is autofocus then the 10-18 is probably better, but if you're doing cinematography stuff or you don't need AF then the Tokina for sure. I love it man
Finally, someone talks about this lens. I have been wanting the Tokina for a while, especially once you talked about 3 must have gh5 lenses. I'm going to stick with the gh5 and gh4 so I still want the Tokina 11-16 and the Sigma 50-100mm. Thanks for saving me some money and time! So, no GH5 for you now? Panasonic is just too good for me to abandon. Looking at getting the S1 next. I would love to see what the GH6 do though before I make the plunge. If not soon, S1, GH5, and GH4 workflow! Keep up the good work!
Yeah man it's such a cool lens. The loud autofocus still isn't a deal breaker for me, especially for client gigs. I ditched the GH5 cause it made my youtube life difficult. No autofocus and didn't like the skin tones. Still love that cam but I want to experiment with other things and learn new systems!
Zach Mayfield yep,I feel that bro! Keep up the good work. Still ridin’ GH5 or not!
Thanks Zach! You are the only one with a detailed video about this lens. Everyone else showed only photos, but I was interested in how the lens shows itself in video shooting.
Yeah I use this lens from time to time. Not worth the upgrade
You're basically the king of lenses so I trust your opinion for shore
I am planning to go on a hike and need a wide angle lense for canon m50 for video and pictures. Plz recommend
Holy shit that Fujifilm looks soooo much better than the Canon.
Do you use the Tokina 11-16 with the Fringer adapter on the LX-T3/X-T4? How’s the autofocus? Have you noticed any differences between the old and new version?
Man, I was really pumped that the new ATX would be better, but that’s unfortunate. Thanks for reviewing it!
Hi, I'm using a XT-3 with the Fringer Pro II adapter with all my Canon lenses and it works great. I agree with this test absolutely....
I don't know brother, I came here to get to know that from you, but then I'm lost now!
Awesome video. I think I might get the old version of this lens. It’s looks decent and thankfully I don’t vlog so I won’t have to hear machine parts lol
haha exactly! If you don't need AF it's an amazing lens
What ND filter do you use? I am wondering whether to buy this lense or 20-35 2.8 canon
What kind of adapter you've been using with the X-T3?
I'm getting my cam completely frozen with my adapter, some kind of bug I guess, thinking of buying a new adapter and would really appreciate your answer)
I still love that thumbnail
Hello bro) what you think wich one is good old tokina 11-16 or canon 10-18?
Which adapter did you use to mount it the X-T3? I just got the lenses and I'm looking to buy the Viltrox NF-FX1
cool video man! looks to me like a complete different color grade between the old vs new for example at 7:44 . is that simply the lightning or can that be a lens coating kinda thing..? anyhow would be really awesome if you can get your hands on the SLR Magic MicroPrimes or meyb get Lens Rentals to lend it to you :0
Yo dude thank you! It's the exact same grade, I think it was just because the clouds were moving quickly on a really sunny day, but also it could be a difference in lens coating. The differences were pretty inconsistent so I imagine it's more of an environment thing
Hi Zach I have just recently ordered the new Tokina atx -i for my Nikon camera and im pretty sure if i had seen your video before hand i would have certainly went for the older version i must say i enjoyed your video thanks for the description (Im in bonnie Scotland ) and the lens cost me £408 sterling.
Is your old lens version 1 because version 2 had the manual focus clutch.
Nice review! With the Fuji X, you use a converter or a speed booster?
Did you get this lens? If so which adapter are you using? Thanks in advance ( is for my xt4)
@@mayastudios8248 I haven't, sorry. Please post if you get one, thanks.
Which adapter did you use on the Fuji? Was it a speedbooster?
I got xt4, I’m curious which adapter you got for this lens? Thanks in advance
@@mayastudios8248 I am using Viltrox.
@@sritamdas8234 EF FX1?
Zach what do you think about this lens compared to Canon ef-s 10-18 4.5-5.6 ?
Having recently discovered the world of photography, I will be purchasing the new lens simply for the fact I didn't own the previous AT-X Pro version but also in the UK it is currently some £30.00 cheaper too. It took me a while but I found this video comparing both and I thank you Zach for making it. Subscribed and liked this video too.
Could you comment on this lens compared to the sigma art 16mm?
Is the old II one worth on a D3400?
Seems the new one goes for £250 used, whereas the old goes for £180 used.
Hi, for the EOS R, do you think this lens (old or new version) would be better than the Canon L series ef 17-40 f4 ?
you mean the FF version 16-28 ? Then sure 100%. But this one (11-16) is APCS only.
im a m43 shooter and im am thinkin of throwing it on a speedbooster for a super wide zoom
I bought the 11-16 too for mounting filters. Plus on the used market it is so affordable.
Yeah dude it's sick for sure, glad you're digging it mate
tokina11-16 markII or tokina11-20 ???? which one u recommend?
I just got this lens and it makes a sound when increasing the aperture. Is this normal? Tried to google and no real answer. Doesn’t make a sound in photo but in video it does?
Or is this used lens broken?
Yes it's normal because it's not a "declicked" iris. Iris's in photography lenses are 99% of the time clicked.
i prefer the old nikon style body
much more classy
Hanging out in nate-ch! that made me laugh!
hahah
dude what mic are you using ? its like 0 background noise
Video makers really need to super get a bloody super thesaurus because the word "super" is getting super irritating hearing said in every video on youtube.
Thanks for such a detailed review. I'm looking to do some Milky way photography with a Nikon D7500 but am confused whether to buy a Tokina 11-16 f2.8 or a Tokina 11-20 f2.8. I've read some pretty good reviews about the 11-16 but also that it gives a hard time to focus at infinity, which I believe is essential to photograph the milky way. Kindly advise which lens should I go with?
Your comment is the literal question I’m trying to answer right now. Looking for a good astro lens and I’m between these two. Which did you end up going with and any recommendations either way??
@@J_Cham13 I finally went with the Tokina 11-20 f2.8. Don't go for the PRO DX though, the newer atx-i is better in my opinion.
@@sourityadas6041 nice! I ordered the 11-20 this afternoon. Yeah, I get people not wanting to upgrade if they already have the DX, but I went with the ATX-i as well!
@@J_Cham13 you guy are chatting about DX II and DX? In that case which one is better?
Only channel that I enjoy watching lately
Wow I appreciate the love! I've been digging a lot of gaming and commentary channels lately. I try not to watch too many filmmaking channels to avoid copying them
And this is using external mic right? You mention the 18-35 which reviews say is noisy as well unless you use external mic. Wondering if it's the same with this one or if it's even louder than Sigma?
Yep this was all shot with my Deity shotgun mic. The tokina is really loud, the Sigma isn't bad at all. You might hear a tiny bit of noise but nothing dramatic
@@ZachMayfield Alrighty, good to know, thx a bunch!
Before I even get into watching this video. THAT THUMBNAIL KILLED ME!!!! 🤣😂🤣😂
hahahah
Zach Mayfield stay loco maaaaaaaan
Any weight reduction?
Whats the name of the old one, I dont want to mistake it with the new after seeing this review 😆. Is the only difference in the name that the old one is dx and the new one dxii?
Let’s say you had a wireless mic / laváleer, would you still pick up the autofocus noise?
Good question, I think it would probably sound better since the mic is farther away from the noise
I use the old version on a Panasonic g9 with adapter. I love the quality.
Dude ur dope. Sick camera review
I'm guessing this would probably apply to the 11-20mm as well?
I too have read it was just a rehousing to match the 'new' looks of other lenses. I've been eyeing it for the GH5 tbh but I'm holding my breath for something to trigger me jumping off the m43 ship.
yeah I think that's definitely the case here. If you do invest in this lens you'll be pretty safe for the future since it's EF mount ya know?
Zach do you use the 11-16 for music videos pretty often vs your 18-35
I just used it today on a music video shoot!
I'm a canon M50 user.should I go with sigma 16mm F1.4 or tokina 11-16mm F2.8?? I'm confused
The Sigma as it has a lower aperture, unless you need the wider focal length.
Thanks for sharing this comparison you really helped make up my mind.
just one word - chromaticAberration
I was looking at one of these to go on a Z50 thanks the old one looks the better bet to me.
I got so much chromatic abberation on my tokina 11-16mm dx it was horrible.
I hardly see any difference between the old and the new.. I almost prefer the image on the old. I was hoping it would be a little sharper.
yeah man I feel you, I'm just glad I rented instead of buying haha
from the examples the new one looks a liiiiiiitle sharper. But I've used the old one for years and had 0 issues with it, deff not worth the upgrade.
Yeah man it was really tough to tell. I did my best to keep them both in perfect focus so maybe I was also a hair off. At the end of the day I don't see a valid reason to upgrade. Plus I don't want to support the idea of companies just re-releasing lenses to get more $ from us
can you compare it with tokina 11-20 f2.8? thanks bud!
I'll look into it but honestly I think they're pretty much the exact same other than the 11-20 just has a longer zoom range
Doesn't the new one come with vibration control?