My regrets about buying a Mac Studio (8 Months in)
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Yo, KC here. Today, I'm talking about my love/hate experience with my Mac Studio after living with it for 8 months. Whether you're a fellow music producer or just tech-curious, this one's for you!
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Have you faced similar challenges with your Mac Studio, or is it smooth sailing for you?
In the clip where you get the system overload message, you can see at the top of your session that your CPU is throttling. Open up activity monitor and look at what applications are taking up your CPU capacity and close any extra ones that you don't need open. Also, increase your buffer size. Won't be much of an issue unless you're planning on recording further in that session - then you'll get some latency the higher you set it. But if you're just mixing or programming midi, then it shouldn't be an issue.
Cheers for the advice. That is something I do all the time.
Cheers for watching.
I'm a photographer, who had about the same situation with a powerful but very old 2010 MacPro. I finally got frustrated with the limits of old softwars & got am M2 Studio. The storage was so expensive, that I am using a 4TB SSD as my boot drive and ignoring the internal 512GB altogether. I'm just changing over so I related to your change-over story. I can't tell you how it works yet or if it creates problems that I did not anticipate... but i will when I'm all in and working with 45 TB of photographs... You told your story very well... I subscribed... Thanks...jt
Bypassing the 512GB storage, is a great idea. I’m using 2TB which feels a bit small, I’ll eventually upgrade for more storage. 45TB of photos is huge lol, keep us updated on how you get on.
Preciate your comment, and support
So interesting what you say and I feel your pain!! I've made the same kind of mistakes in the past. I have an iMac Pro at the moment and am looking to get a Mac Studio this year. I'm waiting for M3 and will also go for at least 1TB SSD (may be 2TB) and 64GB RAM. External storage is definitely the way to go. Have you considered external Thunderbolt RAID? You're so right about keeping your machine's SSD just for applications. The more space you have available on your internal SSD the less likely you'll run into problems as the space can be used for swap storage. Nice review. So pleased you like the Mac Studio despite your concerns. You could always sell it and get a higher spec one...!
Preciate your feedback! Sounds like you’ve got more patience than me lol - that’s a good thing. I probably will end up selling this and upgrading it, but for now it’s ok how I got things running. Preciate the knowledge on RAID, a few people have suggested that, seems like the way to go.
Is your Mac just for music production?
@@kcsoundsI'm a web and app developer but also do video (I have a small UA-cam channel). A Mac Studio is probably overkill for the web and app stuff but will be excellent for video editing. I tend to buy the best machine I can afford when I upgrade and then find it lasts me a long time. The iMac Pro has been in use for 6 years now, my machine prior to that (a trashcan Mac Pro) lasted 5, before that a Mac Pro cheesegrater lasted 7 years... Good luck with all you do! Cheers
Hi KC, what configuration you got now? Upgraded allready or it's still the same config?
This is my 3rd month(actually 3yrs plan/intention) for doing lots lots and a bit more research for the right Mac Studio config. I'm like a flipper-ball that continues rolling back to the same aim. I am focussing on a Mac Studio M2 64gb Ram 1tb ssd. Period Atm i'm hobby-producing on a i5 32gb ram Well okay, I'm done with windows with my Ableton Live, done with all the sh.t like background activity... Typical pc, right I'm sure many will agree. My mac Studio config for me it's pretty expensive and I'm searching for the right keyboard and mouse or trackball, as well i need and USB hub for my many midi devices and all. So i think 3 months more to get the last €1400 together Priority's, It's just the way it is as a single father. My car is even broke and sold for demolition lol, but no car yet, Mac Studio first, right
I don't know of them all so I need tips and doing researches as well ofcourse. So any comment or tips is welcome. Once I hope finally to stream my creations on Soundcloud.
Great posts, man. subscription is set Greets from the Netherlands
Hey, apologies for the slow reply!
I’m still using the same setup, which seems to be working nicely. Every know and then I’ll move large files to an external hard drive, to free up space to fill again with more data lol.
Sounds like you’re going in the right direction of getting yours set up properly. My advice would be to get a decent enough hard drive space and Ram. From what I’m hearing there isn’t much difference in the chips now being used- but, make sure you do some research for yourself, and see what’s best for you. I use an Apple numeric keyboard, and a Mighty Mouse-nothing fancy! Tried the trackball and Apple pad-hated them 😩
Be sure to keep us updated on your progress. Cheers for the support 🙏🏾
@@kcsoundsI'm almost able to buy a new mac Studio m2 max 64gb ram and 1 tb ssd. That should do. The Thunderbolt usb hub I get me the one I where I can insert a ssd as well. I'm using a Nas as well.
Anyways, the Mac I purchase soen should do the job... 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼
Logic shows more problems than cubase with the silicon macs. i know, this dosent help, if u are a logic user.. this is the f.. reality...
Does it? I only use Logic so can’t comment on that. Preciate the insight tho, and cheers for watching
Don't be so sad, M2 AND M3 are less performant than m1 when it comes to audio work! They kept making more powerful chips but switched quit a bunch of performance cores to efficiency cores. Ableton, logic can't really do much with the efficiency cores. so with the same set M1 vs M3 you can run more plugins on an m1 than m3. :)
That’s good to hear! Preciate you for the comment, and thanks for watching 😊
(1) Meh, there's always going to be harder/faster/stronger chips next year. Only upgrade when you MUST, not because of FOMO, and keep it going as long as you can, and you'll never be sad. (I still have 2012-13 Macs that just record video or audio locally, they still work, nothing wrong with them.)
(2) There is no such thing as too much RAM, money, or ammunition. More important now that Apple won't let you upgrade after purchase so just budget for more at start and you'll be happy long-term.
(3) Storage prices are stupid with Apple, so whenever you can get away with external SSD (or NAS) you should do it. (Cf. UNRAID.)
Glad to hear you're enjoying it! One of these days I will upgrade....but not just yet.
I agree with all the above. Gonna check out them storage options, and get my head around how to set them up properly.
Preciate the insight, and thanks for watching
@@kcsounds If you've got the time to play with it, an Unraid server can be cobbled together with HDDs you have lying around on the cheap!
@coffeeandchocolategames Nice 1, I’ll check it out
Hi guys, Just about to purchase the Mac Studio m2 , standard version from apple. Running Live11 suite with vst’s should I hold off till Mac Studio m3 arrives?
Wait. The M3 is a significant change and given that it is likely to happen in the next 3-6 months, I'd wait unless you are crushed by workload.
@@DarrellWingerak The M1 Mac Studio is more than plenty of power that you'll ever need for complex and heavy music production workloads. There negligible difference in performance between the M1 Max Processor and its M2 counterpart in fact the M2 memory read speeds are slower than those of the M1. The Mac Mini M2 configured with 24GB RAM and 1TB SSD will chew through all your complex music creation workload with ease. The difference in performance between the M2 Max and M3 Max is negligible.
@taucetus3657 Preciate your insight.
@taucetus3657 I'm curious where you see the M2 Max RAM speeds being slower than the M1 Max? Both use DDR5 RAM and have a 400 GB/s memory bandwidth.
At least it didn’t cost you an arm and a leg😊 until the next one: 8TB HD with 192GB 😅
Haha almost did 😅 The price for those specs would be crazy!
Cheers for watching 🤝
I’m not sure if it’s logic specific but I have been using the Mac Studio M2 for past few months, and frankly it has been poor at best. Certainly not what you expect for $2500+!! I’ve taken care of any plug in comparability issues. It is having buffer moments with a limited amount of tracks.
Could be a dodgy unit, could be logic I haven’t explored much further but yeah certainly not what you expect. Mind you with apple, logic, Macs I general (20 yr Mac fan) it’s beginning to be the norm.
I shall venture on and try to figure this out though. But for that kinda money really shouldn’t have to.
Nah mate I've got the Mac studio and had the same issues for over a year now. Logic can't hang or this machines busted (and I got the ultra 64 gig 2tb). Bounces video like nothing else but logic.. nah.
Using soothe 2, Pro L2 or izotopes just lags this thing up so that midi is unusable. literally need to put it in "low latency mode" whenever I add these which I never had to do until I hit like 200+ Chanels on my ol Mac Pro (garbage can edition).
Anyone else having these issue?
@allynisbetmusic That’s interesting, and yea you’re right, for that type of money you’d expect better. I notice when I use Split EQ, I start running into problems.
Might be a silly question, but have you tried changing your buffer settings?
I hope it’s not a dodgy unit, cos that would suck! Hope you manage to sort a workaround.
Cheers for watching
@JoelFreck I’ve had to use that low latency mode on a few occasions, especially when tracking vocals.
Never thought that it could be a dodgy unit, and if it is, are we able to send the unit back? I need to talk to Apple support lol.
Cheers for watching
I know this is an old video, so apologies for coming along months late.
I use the same Mac Studio you have. I'm curious what plugins and such you're using that might be causing that overload.
One thing I did was put all my instruments and plugins onto a T7 Samsung drive. There's precious little on the internal SSD at that point. And I've never seen an overload. I do Audio Dramas so sometimes have up to 60 tracks, about 10 with major plugins.
All good, nice to see this video is still being viewed.
I have the same T7 Samsung, so might be a good idea for me to switch all plugins onto that?
Preciate the insight, and cheers for watching
@@kcsounds I'd seriously consider it. That T7 is fast. Took hours to get all my Native Instruments plugins in there, but when it was done, it was well worth it.
How are you backing up the T7?
@@kcsounds Sorry, missed the comment.
I have a 4 TB Western Digital SSD for backup. They're very inexpensive, especially if one can wait for a sale.
yeah I made that mistake too. Buying Apple has been one of my worst mistakes! It costs 3 times more than a PC build with Windows, and it breaks faster. And when that happens have to give them to fix for a full week or more and you lose and entire week of work. And you have to pay a lot for that, while with Windows PC build you just change that little broken piece, costs waaay less and you lose only 1 day. And as you said if you want to add RAM or something you are forced to buy another entire Mac at full price (while on PC build you just buy RAM with few money and simply add it). At this point you should consider doing an Hackintosh or change DAW. You're a really good person, I hate when those things happens to people like you.
Sucks that Apple do us like this, but I’m so used to using their products, especially Logic, that I’m locked into their ecosystem lol. I started off using PC, using Reason, FL and Cubase. But, studies at college and Uni was all Mac and Logic, so I was kinda forced into it. To be honest, I couldn’t get on with Pro Tools, Cubase and FL, so Logic became my go-to. Hopefully, Apple will sort themselves out and make it easier for us to upgrade our hardware… but, I doubt that very much.
Cheers for watching
yeah, I understand. But thinking that with only 70$ you could double instantly your RAM on PC but you can't because of Apple makes me crazy. They do only what makes them more money. It's the same game of Waves that forces you to update plugins with new OS and making difficult when opening old projects. @@kcsounds
No way. I got a 2003 Macbook still running and my mac mini late 2012 never froze or something
2003? And how much RAM does it have, 256 Megabytes? With Apple if you want to change just 1 thing you are forced to buy an entire new computer. Instead in a Windows PC build you just buy only that piece and change it instantly. So that means an Apple computer will be older much sooner than a normal PC. Apple business model is that you have to buy a new Mac and a new iPhone every 5 years or you are not their client anymore. Instead PC builds with Windows can last 10 years or more and still be competitive because you can change every single piece when you want. (then if you consider that Apple products costs 2 times more and breaks the same as others I would leave that company as soon as possible) @@siro5838
Hey KC, i learnt a lot from watching this 🙏🏾as I was in dilemma as to what specs to go for when upgrading my2015 MacBook Pro. I already have 512GB in MacBook Pro and that is full and am using SSD’s, which I would prefer not to, but gotta make it work! Thanks for sharing your experience. But seriously don’t beat yourself up, as we all have purchases that we regret, but you shouldn’t as you still have a very capable machine and once you feel you’ve outgrown it-sell it privately (as you will get more rather doing trade in) and put it towards something else, but you stated that it has improved your workflow and so that is the most important thing. Wishing you every blessing in 2024🙏🏾🙌🏾
Hey Ria, glad you got something from the video. 512gb isn’t the greatest, but it’s fine if you don’t mind declutterring every few weeks lol. I think, if I had 1TB I’d still be doing the same things, as empty space always gets filled. Preciate your insight, all the best for 2024 🙏🏾
KC, just use the Mac Studio until it doesn't let you do what you need to do efficiently. Don't sweat every Apple update...it's a lot of money for incremental improvements. Whereas, if you keep this Mac Studio for a period of time, the next time you update your Mac will feel like a really update.
Edit: Didn't know that you were already running into issues. Spoke too soon.
Preciate the advice. The Mac Studio is fine, only some small issues that I can manage. You’re right about the updates though, I rather wait for a bit before updating.
Cheers for watching
@@kcsounds Yeah, I was just trying to cheer you up. I know the feeling of buying something and then a newer version comes out a few months later. The buyer's remorse is real. But, yeah, with tech...new stuff comes out each year. All the best!
@@Daniel_Ilyich Preciate that bro. All the best
That's how Apple gets you, You are better off trying find a little bit more money to get more RAM or specs because once it's done it can't be upgraded. they want you to spend more $$ too that's why there specc'ing out there products is done in a way where you keep upgrading for RAM than for a little more you can get a better CPU and it just keeps going up as well for a little bit more they are very smart with how they do it.
You’re right. That’s their business model - we either like it, or lump it. If it gets any worse for me, I’ll probably sell up and upgrade.
Cheers for watching
@@kcsounds Will be interesting to see what comes out next if Apple release a M3 Ultra, I would assume they would.
@DarthMuse We’ll have to see
Hello, KC. Looking forward to buying a Mac Studio Max M2. I'm going for 64GB and maybe 2TB, but do you think I should wait foot the M3? All The videos say it won't be that much difference and if u need one now go for it. But I need a new monitor also. This might be enough power for me for a while. I use Logic like you. Want a workstation and look at IKEA, because my Mac and monitor will be my max in spending money. Any help or encouragement would be great
Hey Kenneth, I’ve also heard there’s not much difference between M2 and M3. Apple will always continue to update their products. I’d say get specs that suit your workflow and budget, and don’t worry too much about the newest chips they release. Like someone suggested to me, you can always sell it, and upgrade. The IKEA setup is a good choice, have you seen my video on my desk set up?
Thanks for getting back to KC. Have Not😂 seen your vid on desk setup yet, but will see it. I also hear that SSDs with NVME load up faster. Thanks again.
There won't be an M3 version of the Studio -- looks like Apple is skipping straight to M4, which the new iPad got first. So we'll likely see an M4 version of the Studio only in 2025.
Regrets? I've had a few....
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@@kcsounds I was just playing off of your title and how it reminded me of that famous Sinatra track "My Way.." The beginning goes: "Regrets? I've had a few. But, then again, too few to mention..."
I bought a mac studio with m1 max a few weeks ago. Even when I open the logic pro files on my 2012 Mac mini, I get system overload and cannot work. If I'm having a hardware problem, does anyone understand what's causing it?
Not sure bro
Sorry anyone spending this money on a PC is nuts. I love Apple but #### em when I can get a powerful PC for a third. No Mx chip granted but unless you’re doing hardcore 4k animation and editing you don’t need that power.
Yea, you’re right. Preciate your input, and cheers for watching.
I think it is still the best buy. You just need to expand storage, im using the hagibis USB C Hub it can handle 2 internal drives, up to 2 TB each, im using also a powered usb hub for total of 14 usb ports, with external drives 8 TB plus portable disks. Move all plugins outside the main drive (the internal one) and the projects also. there are immense noticeable benefits on Daws with the latest m2 or m3, nothing really exponencial or impressive, I think the M1 studio is still the best performance for the money at least on DAWS. I will keep the computer as long as i can. Cheers.
I agree, it’s still a very powerful unit. Sounds like you’ve got a nice setup for your workflow. I’ll find a suitable workaround for the lack of Main HD storage. Cheers for your insight, and watching the video
I can't help but think of Guy Ritchie when I hear you speak.
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Bro you should sell it and get the m3 Mac Studio when it launches. Most likely around June. I have a 2015 iMac and I intend to replace it when the m3 Mac Studio launches.
It’s an option, but I think I’ll be ok with this for now. Cheers for the advice bro, and thanks for watching
M3 chip isn't doing better vs de M2 and even the M1 chip in your music production. Check you tube. Many reviews to find that M3 isn't that good.
@creative-ray-music Yea, I’ve heard similar too.
Cheers for the insight
Thanks for linking me to this video, great advice ❤️🙏
You’re welcome. Glad I could help ❤️
I’m getting the m2 Mac Studio can’t wait
It’ll change your Life!
Cheers for watching
Patients literally pays
You’re right, patience does. Cheers for watching
external ssd
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Cheers for watching ✌️