I have a theory that having no skill based ranking system contributes a lot to people complaining. Because there's nothing in the game to tell you when your opponent is better or worse, most people will never come to that conclusion on their own and instead always resort to blaming other factors as the reason they lost, like your weapon/build or "tryharding". Modern gamers can't admit that someone might be better than them if the game doesn't show you a medal let you know who's gold 3, diamond 1, grandmaster or whatever.
True, but they would still find something to that conclusion anyway, probably by johning. Even those games with a rankings system have these types of players
Yeah the game putting a person that still trying to learn what all the buttons on the controller do against the guy that played the game for 18 hours a day, every single day since launch really doesn't help make people want to continue or trying to learn the PVP
I mean, yeah, light roll is definitely incredibly stupid, it's balanced around making PvE easy and completely breaks PvP. But high poise is not that different, really, in terms of negating PvP fundies. In practice a huge amount of arena players use high poise setups because they want to be able to mash as much as possible, including out of hitstun. There are so many arena players that seem like hot shit until you start hitting them in a circumstance where they can't poise through, and then you realize, oh, they're just mashing R1, and this "strategy" normally works for them because of their armor/poise setup (and, usually, their very high latency).
arguing youtube comments is like debating 1st graders that unicorns are better than rainbows, dont kill your brain trying to reason anything, half the people here just troll, and 80% of all youtube trolls, 12 year olds love trolling. nothing more nothing less.
16:00 Light roll is one of, if not the most damaging thing about PVP in Elden Ring, it really does require 0 skill, and allows bad fundamentals to go unpunished 100% agree. Not to mention above certain latency/ping it makes the player 'invincible'.
Honestly, we can really say the same thing about the so beloved hyper passive poise trading play style. I don't remember hearing him complaining about regen builds either, which are borderline insulting in a 1v1 scenario especially when you're winning and the shitter starts running away hoping to get his hp back.
@@jador9641Lots of counter play to hyper armor traders, especially with daggers getting buffed and being a frame faster on heavies. Regen is annoying but dudes gonna be waiting for awhile so join him ? It's annoying but there's counter play to all of it. The point is those don't BREAK fundamentals like spacing. Fast roll does. Hyper armor has poise counting, Regen is straight up kinda expected with us tryhard sweaty "nerds" while fast roll negates hammers, axes, great hammers/axes, daggers, greatswords, collosal weapons of all types, and some other shit especially on latency. Overall just the dumbest out of them all ignoring the fact that I repeat it destroys the fundamentals of the shitty pvp we have in these games.
@@jador9641 past 111 poise a lot of set ups get negged, and the game is worse; tho being completely honest its not like light roll that legitimetely takes away everything that isnt pata, comander standard or the rari AoW. Not to mention hyper armour already lets you play braindead with out max poise.
1:55 Totally agree with Steel here, honor bows are a thing that the community has outgrown. Even back in DeS I remember lots of folks not bowing for duels cause it took so long to connect in the first place. They just wanna get to the fight. I think most folks can relate to that.
Most people in the arena still emote at the start. As another commenter has said, the issue is when someone rushes to take a free hit when their opponent is stuck in the emote animation.
I do agree that it's not mandatory, but it's cute. Because it's the last remnant of any sort of tactfulness in PvP. It was never mandatory, but when you saw someone bowing, you usually knew it would be a more pleasant encounter.
@yvaskhmir Definitely. And same with a bow at the end. A good fight between two honest players. Stuff like that still matters to those of us who play for enjoyment.
My only complaints about the arena besides the latency issues that FromSoftware refuses to fix, are the light roll mages and the active/passive hyper-armor abusers. Neither path is fun for anyone to deal with, and I can't imagine playing that is ever actually fun either. Though I say this knowing that those kinds of players just have nothing positive in their lives, so they need to take it out on the average player just to get out of bed in the mornings
There is a secret class of player that even transcends the try-hard. I’m not surprised if you haven’t heard of it. It is called the Do-Hard. The same rules don’t apply to the do-hard. The do-hard will always lightroll, and always play with long poke weapons. It will have a star shower hidden in its back pocket for when you play passive. Suffice to say, Do-Hards do, while try-hards are stuck in B tier, trying.
Bowing is a risk in arena, there's never been honor in any if the souls arenas anyway - half the people you meet either rush or cast skulls while you gesture so it can cost you all the momentum in a fight for essentially no reason.
15:40 "if you're good at the game there is zero need to complain" so wrong. this is a very shallow and dismissive claim to make about games in general. everyone has a right to complain about busted shit, especially skilled players, and ESPECIALLY if those things are so good that they eclipse a meta that already eclipses most other options. if anything, it's extremely important if the good - or even best - players complain about something: this group complaining is the dead canary in the coal mines of game balance. if even these types of people are having troubles against it when it's used by mediocre players or just straight-up scrubs, imagine how much worse it's going to be for less experienced PvP players. Remember: this community has people who think rollcatching is an exploit.
I think some people (me included) are only mad about bowing before fights if the person who doesn't bow gets a free hit while that person is stuck in the emote animation.
That's why you always observe the other guy first. The first half second of movement tells you everything you need to know about the guy. Consider block spam or spins instead, it's both safer, faster and funnier.
It used to be a problem in ds1, but now u can cancel any animation at any moment. What really annoys people is getting surprised by an ingame sucker punch basically
You can roll out of any emote animation. Also pro tip: if you are ever on a coloseum figut to the death and you see a guy charging at you with a weapon, they will probably try to hurt you. Just a heads up.
I think there's a valid discussion to be had about light-roll and also a lot of other stuff about ER PvP, but arguing with UA-cam and Twitch comments is probably the worst thing possible because you'll just be arguing with a wall all day, everyday
ok but... isnt the same thing to get poise advantage and invincibility advantage? Doesn't poise still invalidates many playstyles and setups? i don't see your point.
Maybe I'm just bad at PvP, but i rarely ever see these sorts of kevins/inexperienced players in arena on Xbox. It's a good mix, mostly players that generally try to strike a balance between good poise and fashion for their armor and use weapons that are usually good but not necessarily top tier meta, as well as meme builds and the odd naked lightroll parry god. There are of course plenty of naked lightroll casters that spam annoying bullshit, play super passive, then bust out the moonveil or something similar whenever you get even remotely close to melee range (a tactic that always works on me because I don't have the patience to play around such an annoying playstyle in the arena, especially when they have latency issues [they always have latency issues]), sweaty tryhards hardswapping S-tier meta weapons/100+ poise armor, PS nagakiba w/bhs and/or white mask, and people with convenient latency issues that use any of the above builds. But they're maybe 1/10 matches, unless playing at a slow time and you end up queueing up against the same player every time or every other time It's very rare that I find someone that has no idea how to PvP, they pretty much all have at least a general grasp of how to PvP, I rarely see things like Blasphemous Blade, for instance. The vast majority generally seem like they are at the very least DS3 veterans, if not from even earlier games.
i love light roll, i can have fashion and some more distance while rolling. i have 6 character and only one is medium roll. i should try to make a character weaing heavy armor once
i want to add that i dont complains about any build in pvp tho. im aware im not optimal in Pvp and any high poise build can counter me but i have fun this way. moral is play how you want and enjoy the game
@@dammnpeople3131It breaks fundamentals and makes you a worse player is kinda the only points. I see steels point as a pvp player that truly trys to get into the sweaty side of things but I honestly think you should just have fun with it if you aren't doing pvp for genuinely trying to get better 🤷😊
@ yeah, but im far from being a noob too. i used to play medium roll so i know how and when to dodge still. all i miss is the short roll distance where i could backstab. it just happens that the armor is like is so light that i could light roll and i prefer it that way. and most of my other characters are casters
@@dammnpeople3131high poise doesnt counter light roll, specially if latency is involved, since the issue is consistently landing a hit to begin with. Pata or comander standard is the safest bet.
I've been pvping on and off (still not any good at it) since dark souls 1 and bowing makes me see red. It becomes obvious that it's meaningless monkey-see-monkey-do nonsense after the first hundred or so 'honorable' duelists who play single button press scumbag builds, not to mention all the twats in dark souls 2 who would actually get angry if you didn't bow.
I have learned from doing invasions in elden ring that new players dont get what makes souls combat what it is and they don't give a shit to learn either mine as well be explaining it to a wall
Just bums really, I have nearly 150 hate comments on my profile for just playing my own set-ups in arena. Projecting inferiority in comments is a bad look for them
The yaping is too strong on the souls community. People forget its a game, play whatever the fuck you want. If you care about other peoples gameplay ur a beach
17:15 no offence steal but aren’t you also “forcing” the “correct way of playing” by for example putting out a vid like this? I absolutely agree with all that you say gameplay wise. In terms of the form it is being delivered I think we are just as pretentious as the next Redditor.
Exactly this. The problem about steel and his groupies isn't that they want the game to become better. But they complain about the other players doing and say that they're playing the game wrong, dishonorable etc. Trying to force their view of how the game should be instead of just letting people play how they want to have fun. Ultimately 99% (not real number obviously) of the player base will never care about getting good at pvp because it's a videogame they play every now and again then don't care about it any more.
Coming from a fighting game. I dont really see how pvp would be better. Most people find stun locks and all of pvp is top tier stuff from the best players in the game. Unless you nerf all the good stuff and buff a ton of other items every 4 months then yeah it wont be that good. Most of the best weapons in pvp are the best in pve so it rounds out. (Besides niche items like marika hammer and guard counters which hardly anyone uses. All in all it s asingle player game with a little friendly coop. Its impressive pvp compared to other titles.
Bad take tbh Youre trying to make sense of eldenwrong PVP but the core mechanic is already flawed Both high passive poise and lightroll is a dumb mechanic Pre weapon poise dmg patch Poise is as cancerous as lightroll because 90% of the weapon literally cant break poise after more than one hit, mindless "trading" was the thing that ignores spacing (i mean come on dual lance shit was even banned in tournaments) until fromsoft regulated poise to now where its as oppressive, took them how long to fucking fix this? And not to mention some spells are still outright useless in both pvp and pve The fact that poise isnt tied to your weight and you are punished for being heavy weight is dumb while dodge distance is determined by weight is as dumb, if instead weight determines stamina cost on roll, stamina recovery and poise gain only, you can have high poise dude that cant roll 12x and recharge stamina in 2s while light weight dudes can roll more and recover stamina fast but still is punishable via rollcatch But eldenwrong got PVP so shit i honestly dont know why people still try to duel in arena outside of pvpcord where its regulated
Elden Ring being the first souls game I play: 6-700 hrs in pve, 4-500 hrs in PvP and playing since launch, I can absolutely say light roll and tryhards deserve the h8 they get. Light roll players are the 3 shot Ar, smg (you know the same 2-3 weapons everyone uses nonstop) players of cod and tryhards are the sniper and shotgun players of cod. Yall are both degens and should just enjoy the game. If someone emotes at the start cool go ahead and emote back or just wait for it to finish it’s not that hard, win or lose the duel then move on. Emoting isn’t a condition to duel, not in Elden ring at least. Buffing is not emoting, you buff = you’ve already started swinging
Bowing or emoting at the beginning of duels is just annoying time wasting. the most anybody gets is a twohanded block wiggle. emote after the duel with whatever you determine to be appropriate. To the victor goes the spoils e.g. emoting
Meta weapons still require you to interact with the fundies, some of them more than any other weapons. The issue with hard meta is that its too far above non meta. The issue with light roll is that it allowd you to discard the fundies completely. Both are huge issues, just not the same issue.
what was always allowed in fair 1v1's: bowing/greeting using spells/incantations for healing items that regen hp slowly over time greases what was never allowed in 1v1's: running away like a little sissy baby healing with flasks or any other bottle that gives healing buffs/physic so many people dont seem to know that and it drives me crazy when i see somebody using buffs that is why i always keep my laws of regression with me to debuff those slackers yet i still despise the colosseum and look for fair battles at church of elleh or first step
so everything this guy does is "adapting to the situation" but when someone uses light roll to cover distance its not adapting to the situation? is he gonna tell people how they should kill PvE bosses next? 😂
@@IndependentMouse22It actually isn't anymore. It was, but it was patched. Light-roll is "broken" because it makes roll-catching for 98% of weapons impossible, basically forcing you to switch to one of like 3 setups that can reliably punish dodges.
Have you watched the Video? Not everybody want to whip out Dual Nagis when fighting light rollers, not because it’s hard, but it makes the game brain dead.
@@bananacorn4375takes more stanmina than runing and you sacrifice defense over movement, also improves move based ashes of war And yes, i watched the vid and steel only shitted in it over a game mecanic, just adapt like you do when you face competent players changing gear/weapons mid fight And talking about braindead, do you like swaping the whole armor to royal remains/regen shield and regen talisman? Bc is fucking stupid when you face a dude who plays overdefensive/passive only to regen. That shit is braindead
@@bananacorn4375yes i did, just adapt like you do when you face competent players changing gear/weapons mid fight or when you have to face shield/duel shields users "Not everyone want to change talismans when fighting shield users, not because its hard, but makes the game feel braindead."
@@El_crusoff420 the only brain-dead thingy is me at 2am sitting in my room trying to decipher UA-cam comments as if they are sacrilegious text granted to me. Only instead of trying to understand the will of Gods I seek to understand if the person who wrote the comment is trolling or has a learning disability.
I blame the game for having no regard for PvP balance at all. If the developers did, Pata and Lightroll wouldn’t exist.
I have a theory that having no skill based ranking system contributes a lot to people complaining. Because there's nothing in the game to tell you when your opponent is better or worse, most people will never come to that conclusion on their own and instead always resort to blaming other factors as the reason they lost, like your weapon/build or "tryharding". Modern gamers can't admit that someone might be better than them if the game doesn't show you a medal let you know who's gold 3, diamond 1, grandmaster or whatever.
True, but they would still find something to that conclusion anyway, probably by johning. Even those games with a rankings system have these types of players
Yeah but they would just complain about sweaty grandmaster cheese instead, and DC's would skyrocket
"Look deep within yourself before you blame all others for betrayal." - Volbeat
We had the aura in ds2, i feel like it worked well and it looked amazing too
Yeah the game putting a person that still trying to learn what all the buttons on the controller do against the guy that played the game for 18 hours a day, every single day since launch really doesn't help make people want to continue or trying to learn the PVP
I mean, yeah, light roll is definitely incredibly stupid, it's balanced around making PvE easy and completely breaks PvP. But high poise is not that different, really, in terms of negating PvP fundies. In practice a huge amount of arena players use high poise setups because they want to be able to mash as much as possible, including out of hitstun. There are so many arena players that seem like hot shit until you start hitting them in a circumstance where they can't poise through, and then you realize, oh, they're just mashing R1, and this "strategy" normally works for them because of their armor/poise setup (and, usually, their very high latency).
facts
arguing youtube comments is like debating 1st graders that unicorns are better than rainbows, dont kill your brain trying to reason anything, half the people here just troll, and 80% of all youtube trolls, 12 year olds love trolling. nothing more nothing less.
I think most people are just legit stupid
@@Graati from my +20 hour co-op experience, i completely agree with you.
Fat rolls are truly the best.
Steel has been hate-playing Elden Ring since launch (real)
Hate is not the opposite of love; indifference is.
Creatures that use heal from afar in Coliseum are usually bad, aren't trying to improve and deserve an ICBM to the forehead, change my mind
Your pfp makes this comment so much better lol. But yes, I would be inclined to agree
@midknight8 Thanks for your zany input pookie 😎
@@SometingBoutKoiO7 my pleasure, mistr00s :)
16:00 Light roll is one of, if not the most damaging thing about PVP in Elden Ring, it really does require 0 skill, and allows bad fundamentals to go unpunished 100% agree. Not to mention above certain latency/ping it makes the player 'invincible'.
Honestly, we can really say the same thing about the so beloved hyper passive poise trading play style.
I don't remember hearing him complaining about regen builds either, which are borderline insulting in a 1v1 scenario especially when you're winning and the shitter starts running away hoping to get his hp back.
@@jador9641Lots of counter play to hyper armor traders, especially with daggers getting buffed and being a frame faster on heavies. Regen is annoying but dudes gonna be waiting for awhile so join him ? It's annoying but there's counter play to all of it. The point is those don't BREAK fundamentals like spacing. Fast roll does. Hyper armor has poise counting, Regen is straight up kinda expected with us tryhard sweaty "nerds" while fast roll negates hammers, axes, great hammers/axes, daggers, greatswords, collosal weapons of all types, and some other shit especially on latency. Overall just the dumbest out of them all ignoring the fact that I repeat it destroys the fundamentals of the shitty pvp we have in these games.
a literal skill issue
@@jador9641 past 111 poise a lot of set ups get negged, and the game is worse; tho being completely honest its not like light roll that legitimetely takes away everything that isnt pata, comander standard or the rari AoW.
Not to mention hyper armour already lets you play braindead with out max poise.
1:55 Totally agree with Steel here, honor bows are a thing that the community has outgrown. Even back in DeS I remember lots of folks not bowing for duels cause it took so long to connect in the first place. They just wanna get to the fight. I think most folks can relate to that.
Most people in the arena still emote at the start. As another commenter has said, the issue is when someone rushes to take a free hit when their opponent is stuck in the emote animation.
I do agree that it's not mandatory, but it's cute. Because it's the last remnant of any sort of tactfulness in PvP. It was never mandatory, but when you saw someone bowing, you usually knew it would be a more pleasant encounter.
@paolo2696 You can roll through most emotes.
@paolo269690% of emotes are cancelable in like 2 frames fuck you mean ? I get your point though 😂.
@yvaskhmir Definitely. And same with a bow at the end. A good fight between two honest players. Stuff like that still matters to those of us who play for enjoyment.
How tf are people complaining about the regen on the icon shield when it’s so minuscule?
2 f points per second that's small in ER 'cause the insane damage output.
@@solrac1927 These gamers are piss babies.
Can make the difference between a win and a loss methinks
@@Berlinbower yeah, if your opponent is just running away of you thing that happen thanks to how fck is the arena design.
People don't like loosing, and will complain about what they have no skill or patience to learn to beat.
"Don't push your ideals or how you want to play on others, also no light roll and no mages".
-Twitch Chatter.
Bowing is a courtesy thing now, like saying hi. I just block spam to say hi
My only complaints about the arena besides the latency issues that FromSoftware refuses to fix, are the light roll mages and the active/passive hyper-armor abusers. Neither path is fun for anyone to deal with, and I can't imagine playing that is ever actually fun either. Though I say this knowing that those kinds of players just have nothing positive in their lives, so they need to take it out on the average player just to get out of bed in the mornings
There is a secret class of player that even transcends the try-hard. I’m not surprised if you haven’t heard of it. It is called the Do-Hard. The same rules don’t apply to the do-hard. The do-hard will always lightroll, and always play with long poke weapons. It will have a star shower hidden in its back pocket for when you play passive. Suffice to say, Do-Hards do, while try-hards are stuck in B tier, trying.
Bowing is a risk in arena, there's never been honor in any if the souls arenas anyway - half the people you meet either rush or cast skulls while you gesture so it can cost you all the momentum in a fight for essentially no reason.
15:40 "if you're good at the game there is zero need to complain" so wrong. this is a very shallow and dismissive claim to make about games in general. everyone has a right to complain about busted shit, especially skilled players, and ESPECIALLY if those things are so good that they eclipse a meta that already eclipses most other options.
if anything, it's extremely important if the good - or even best - players complain about something: this group complaining is the dead canary in the coal mines of game balance. if even these types of people are having troubles against it when it's used by mediocre players or just straight-up scrubs, imagine how much worse it's going to be for less experienced PvP players. Remember: this community has people who think rollcatching is an exploit.
People were actually complaining about not bowing in arena...dude...how did the kevins find their way into your comment section?
I think some people (me included) are only mad about bowing before fights if the person who doesn't bow gets a free hit while that person is stuck in the emote animation.
That's why you always observe the other guy first. The first half second of movement tells you everything you need to know about the guy.
Consider block spam or spins instead, it's both safer, faster and funnier.
It used to be a problem in ds1, but now u can cancel any animation at any moment.
What really annoys people is getting surprised by an ingame sucker punch basically
You can roll out of any emote animation.
Also pro tip: if you are ever on a coloseum figut to the death and you see a guy charging at you with a weapon, they will probably try to hurt you. Just a heads up.
@@glatykoffi6672the good ol’ ugs block spam, truly legendary lol
Most people care more about fashion ring than having optimal poise
I think there's a valid discussion to be had about light-roll and also a lot of other stuff about ER PvP, but arguing with UA-cam and Twitch comments is probably the worst thing possible because you'll just be arguing with a wall all day, everyday
ok but... isnt the same thing to get poise advantage and invincibility advantage? Doesn't poise still invalidates many playstyles and setups? i don't see your point.
The comments at the beginning are right, though.
"mages doing mix ups" 😂😂
@@abrahamrangel2326 I've seen mages with an IQ above 80, so I don't think he is entirely incorrect.
Maybe I'm just bad at PvP, but i rarely ever see these sorts of kevins/inexperienced players in arena on Xbox. It's a good mix, mostly players that generally try to strike a balance between good poise and fashion for their armor and use weapons that are usually good but not necessarily top tier meta, as well as meme builds and the odd naked lightroll parry god.
There are of course plenty of naked lightroll casters that spam annoying bullshit, play super passive, then bust out the moonveil or something similar whenever you get even remotely close to melee range (a tactic that always works on me because I don't have the patience to play around such an annoying playstyle in the arena, especially when they have latency issues [they always have latency issues]), sweaty tryhards hardswapping S-tier meta weapons/100+ poise armor, PS nagakiba w/bhs and/or white mask, and people with convenient latency issues that use any of the above builds. But they're maybe 1/10 matches, unless playing at a slow time and you end up queueing up against the same player every time or every other time
It's very rare that I find someone that has no idea how to PvP, they pretty much all have at least a general grasp of how to PvP, I rarely see things like Blasphemous Blade, for instance. The vast majority generally seem like they are at the very least DS3 veterans, if not from even earlier games.
i love light roll, i can have fashion and some more distance while rolling. i have 6 character and only one is medium roll.
i should try to make a character weaing heavy armor once
i want to add that i dont complains about any build in pvp tho. im aware im not optimal in Pvp and any high poise build can counter me but i have fun this way.
moral is play how you want and enjoy the game
Based, fashion always prevails.
@@dammnpeople3131It breaks fundamentals and makes you a worse player is kinda the only points. I see steels point as a pvp player that truly trys to get into the sweaty side of things but I honestly think you should just have fun with it if you aren't doing pvp for genuinely trying to get better 🤷😊
@ yeah, but im far from being a noob too. i used to play medium roll so i know how and when to dodge still. all i miss is the short roll distance where i could backstab.
it just happens that the armor is like is so light that i could light roll and i prefer it that way.
and most of my other characters are casters
@@dammnpeople3131high poise doesnt counter light roll, specially if latency is involved, since the issue is consistently landing a hit to begin with.
Pata or comander standard is the safest bet.
I've been pvping on and off (still not any good at it) since dark souls 1 and bowing makes me see red. It becomes obvious that it's meaningless monkey-see-monkey-do nonsense after the first hundred or so 'honorable' duelists who play single button press scumbag builds, not to mention all the twats in dark souls 2 who would actually get angry if you didn't bow.
I have learned from doing invasions in elden ring that new players dont get what makes souls combat what it is and they don't give a shit to learn either mine as well be explaining it to a wall
2 HP/s too much regen😭😭😭
Just came back from the store shoppinh💅🏻✨️🇩🇰
Kinda expected max level arenas to be full of light shows but turns out its better than expected with kevins and cosplayers sprinkling the mix
Just bums really, I have nearly 150 hate comments on my profile for just playing my own set-ups in arena. Projecting inferiority in comments is a bad look for them
Only a tryhard will compare elden ring to chess😂
Let's take as much poise as possible and complain about people doing the opposite 😂
Wow. I cannot believe this guy uses regen in arena. *heals from afar*
Complaining and ranting about the same shit everyone who came before you, and will come after you, did and will. I feel your pain.
The yaping is too strong on the souls community. People forget its a game, play whatever the fuck you want. If you care about other peoples gameplay ur a beach
Everyone in this game is running on copium bro
Does chasethebro, who is Steelovsky’s father, even like this game?
17:15 no offence steal but aren’t you also “forcing” the “correct way of playing” by for example putting out a vid like this? I absolutely agree with all that you say gameplay wise. In terms of the form it is being delivered I think we are just as pretentious as the next Redditor.
Exactly this. The problem about steel and his groupies isn't that they want the game to become better. But they complain about the other players doing and say that they're playing the game wrong, dishonorable etc. Trying to force their view of how the game should be instead of just letting people play how they want to have fun. Ultimately 99% (not real number obviously) of the player base will never care about getting good at pvp because it's a videogame they play every now and again then don't care about it any more.
i knew this vid was coming after all the light roll defenders in today's stream lmao
Coming from a fighting game. I dont really see how pvp would be better. Most people find stun locks and all of pvp is top tier stuff from the best players in the game. Unless you nerf all the good stuff and buff a ton of other items every 4 months then yeah it wont be that good. Most of the best weapons in pvp are the best in pve so it rounds out. (Besides niche items like marika hammer and guard counters which hardly anyone uses. All in all it s asingle player game with a little friendly coop. Its impressive pvp compared to other titles.
to dobry chłopak był zawsze dzień dobry na klatce mówił i używał gestów na arenie w eldenie
Bad take tbh
Youre trying to make sense of eldenwrong PVP but the core mechanic is already flawed
Both high passive poise and lightroll is a dumb mechanic
Pre weapon poise dmg patch Poise is as cancerous as lightroll because 90% of the weapon literally cant break poise after more than one hit, mindless "trading" was the thing that ignores spacing (i mean come on dual lance shit was even banned in tournaments) until fromsoft regulated poise to now where its as oppressive, took them how long to fucking fix this? And not to mention some spells are still outright useless in both pvp and pve
The fact that poise isnt tied to your weight and you are punished for being heavy weight is dumb while dodge distance is determined by weight is as dumb, if instead weight determines stamina cost on roll, stamina recovery and poise gain only, you can have high poise dude that cant roll 12x and recharge stamina in 2s while light weight dudes can roll more and recover stamina fast but still is punishable via rollcatch
But eldenwrong got PVP so shit i honestly dont know why people still try to duel in arena outside of pvpcord where its regulated
Elden Ring being the first souls game I play: 6-700 hrs in pve, 4-500 hrs in PvP and playing since launch, I can absolutely say light roll and tryhards deserve the h8 they get. Light roll players are the 3 shot Ar, smg (you know the same 2-3 weapons everyone uses nonstop) players of cod and tryhards are the sniper and shotgun players of cod. Yall are both degens and should just enjoy the game. If someone emotes at the start cool go ahead and emote back or just wait for it to finish it’s not that hard, win or lose the duel then move on. Emoting isn’t a condition to duel, not in Elden ring at least. Buffing is not emoting, you buff = you’ve already started swinging
Anyone still playing Elden Ring isn't a PvP player, so this means nothing.
Keep using your mimic tear. Keep pretending this is Breath of the Wild.
even breath of the wild requires more skill than this game lol
Bowing or emoting at the beginning of duels is just annoying time wasting. the most anybody gets is a twohanded block wiggle. emote after the duel with whatever you determine to be appropriate. To the victor goes the spoils e.g. emoting
Meta weapons give you the same advantage that light roll does. So many delusional people in this community.
Meta weapons still require you to interact with the fundies, some of them more than any other weapons. The issue with hard meta is that its too far above non meta.
The issue with light roll is that it allowd you to discard the fundies completely.
Both are huge issues, just not the same issue.
Do u have playstation impersonator?
I agree with most of what you're saying Steel. Except light roll. I feel like it would be a lot more acceptable if latency wasn't such a problem.
You are a hypocrite.
Real(I also don’t know how to elaborate)
Why are you both bananas 😂
what was always allowed in fair 1v1's:
bowing/greeting
using spells/incantations for healing
items that regen hp slowly over time
greases
what was never allowed in 1v1's:
running away like a little sissy baby
healing with flasks or any other bottle that gives healing
buffs/physic
so many people dont seem to know that and it drives me crazy when i see somebody using buffs
that is why i always keep my laws of regression with me to debuff those slackers
yet i still despise the colosseum and look for fair battles at church of elleh or first step
bad bait
> fair battle
> first step / church
choose one man
Your made up rules don't even align with the ladder ruleset lmao
Even in the days of academy gate duels people used physick
Truly the master baiter
so everything this guy does is "adapting to the situation" but when someone uses light roll to cover distance its not adapting to the situation? is he gonna tell people how they should kill PvE bosses next? 😂
The thing is using light roll does not adapt to a situation, it exclusively changes the situation into spamming a high i frame retreat.
Light roll is faster than sprinting, if that doesn't scream broken to you then idk what to tell you
You somehow never even heard any reasoning on why light rolls are broken. (In a bad way btw.)
Can’t tell if this is sarcasm, but I guess it’s gold regardless. gg
@@IndependentMouse22It actually isn't anymore. It was, but it was patched.
Light-roll is "broken" because it makes roll-catching for 98% of weapons impossible, basically forcing you to switch to one of like 3 setups that can reliably punish dodges.
Complaining about light-rolls is like a heavy rollers complaining about mid rollers
Just minmax your defense/weight and stop complaining
Have you watched the Video?
Not everybody want to whip out Dual Nagis when fighting light rollers, not because it’s hard, but it makes the game brain dead.
@@Graatii can offer you some locations of mental institutions too, bc asuming things from nowhere isnt too normal
@@bananacorn4375takes more stanmina than runing and you sacrifice defense over movement, also improves move based ashes of war
And yes, i watched the vid and steel only shitted in it over a game mecanic, just adapt like you do when you face competent players changing gear/weapons mid fight
And talking about braindead, do you like swaping the whole armor to royal remains/regen shield and regen talisman? Bc is fucking stupid when you face a dude who plays overdefensive/passive only to regen. That shit is braindead
@@bananacorn4375yes i did, just adapt like you do when you face competent players changing gear/weapons mid fight or when you have to face shield/duel shields users
"Not everyone want to change talismans when fighting shield users, not because its hard, but makes the game feel braindead."
@@El_crusoff420 the only brain-dead thingy is me at 2am sitting in my room trying to decipher UA-cam comments as if they are sacrilegious text granted to me. Only instead of trying to understand the will of Gods I seek to understand if the person who wrote the comment is trolling or has a learning disability.