I am so happy i found this channel, your explanations to why some trinkets are op are so insanely educative and make me regard these trinkets much higher and realise what i do wrong when i play DD
The disease charm has one niche use: You don't bring it with you on an expedition, if you happen to get it _during_ one, you can equip it onto a character with the lowest disease res at the end before you leave to lower the chance of getting a disease. You need a minimum of 82% disease res for the chance of contracting one be at its minimum of 5%, so this can be handy in case a holy water isn't enough.
I use Book of Holiness a lot in the early game to counteract the added stress from class specific trinkets like blasphemous vial. Avoiding afflictions is a lot more valuable than the difference between 1/3 and 2/5 failure at deaths door.
@@ShuffleFM Awesome! I love your content and even though it takes a little longer to get out I appreciate the time you're putting into it and how much detail you give. Keep it up!
I also realized that since characters get shuffled around from other characters' movement, move resist is very unreliable for its purpose (and most enemies who can shuffle you around seem to rarely do it for some reason). If you need to deal with heavy movement and stuff, better organize the team around it and leave the Leper and Arbalest sit this one out. On the other hand stun skill is ALWAYS good going from 80% to 90% success is amazing, and going from 40% to 50% success is just as amazing.
+8% crit on dark bracer is kinda nutty when combined with AoE and the crit bonus from low light. It pretty much guarantees your 3-4 target AoEs will get at least one crit and trigger the crit buff. Favorite use so far is in a dancing bleed party in the Warrens or Weald, slap it on hellion, kill backline unit, then breakthrough for a pretty much guaranteed 33% damage bonus on bleeding targets
I find the dodge cloak to be one of the best triket in the game, including in the end game. The trinket is basically +15 dodge, not sure there are many better trinkets even in orange.
Bloodthirst Ring works well with an Arbalest in a party, actually. She buffs an ally for healing received and that neutralizes the trinket's negative effect.
Personally I'd have defined "S-tier" as trinkets you're comfortable taking even in the engame. To me that's bleed charm, seer stone, surgical gloves, swift cloak and chirurgeon's charm. "A tier" would be stuff that's really good until you find better replacement in the midgame. And B would be "I'll put it on if I have no other trinket for that character". Also can we talk about how you value scouting trinkets in S, but that scouting cloak you completely neglect? As you said, just put that thing on a crusader, Leper or MAA,those guys are slow anyways and nobody cares if some frontline damage dealers go before them in round 1.
Great video! yep, surgical gloves are a trinket I regularly use with higher level folks. for melee characters combining that with the +20% dam trinket can be pretty effective. Something I've thought about too (and I'm sure everyone else has also but I'm gonna say it anyway) is that if characters were able to hold 3 trinkets instead of 2, there are actually a lot of trinkets that would automatically become a ton more useful. B/c there are a lot that have great effects, but they just aren't good enough to justify taking one of only 2 spots, but if you had one more slot you could use more of the -stress trinkets or the big -bleed/-blight/-disease trinkets or the scouting/surprise ones that are really tempting, but just aren't quite good enough. One other thing that I wish for sometimes is being able to bring extra trinkets in your inventory that you could swap later, that would be kinda nice but maybe too op in certain situations.
I was literally re watching your Hero tier list video earlier and when you were talking about class trinkets, i was wishing you make a video for all trinkets. I guess i got my wish lmfao
8:05 the one thing keeping it out of sell tier is that when you have 4 of them and/or one other item you don't need food for checks or feasting, which turns backtracking into a reward rather than a risk. couple this with the fact higher hp means more healing from food, granary, and often times herbs=food, makes it good for farming/no healer challenges. 13:50 s tier. having an ancestors coat saves so many hits. then you stack it with coat 21:45 sell tier, never used one. 23:40 they've never dropped for me... considering how stressful the collection for protection items are, not surprised they like it. also, reference to link's boots. 30:00 favorite piece of trash definitely makes me want to find a combine trinket for improve trinkets mod, which probably doesn't exist...
Note about gambler's charm and any health stacking options: enemy AI seems to target weaker heroes way more often and outright ignore marks, so it can be a way of anti-tanking; getting the AI to prefer a dodgier hero like Jester or riposting one like MAA/HWM while your front liners avoid debuffs/stuns from attacks, remaining fully effective at delivering their own. Less of a thing on higher difficulties, in torchless, and vs bosses because bad RNG = almost guaranteed death. If consistent in your comps, can make Revenge/Intimidate safer on Leper.
There are only 2 S-tier here: the +15 dodge cloack and the +20 prod boots, they are the only ones that's best in slot at the end game. Surgical glove is close but there are other similar items.
Thank goodness for these. I have numerous times gotten low on funds and hesitated on what to keep and what to sell. I swear half the time my inventory would make the Collector blush (I must have one of everything!) Because of this, funds tend to drop frequently. Still, now I do have reliable gear and this will give me the last push past the "but what if I need it later" that always creeps up
This is really nice. Im finishing my first run on Darkest, getting ready to try Bloodmoon, but earlygame i didnt really get trinkets. I think i killed 2 bosses before i even realized how to equip them, and got to veteran missions before starting to check the rewards for optimal trinkets, so a lot of the common ones i have no experience with, since i already had all the heads, boxes, and quite a few class specific and very rare trinkets by the time i started using them.
bloodthirst ring is good for very long dungeons ..with it equipped u can carry less food saving one inventory spot and also it useful in early game as u buy less food and save more money that way
If you play carefully or safe comps with good healer vestal or/and man at arms Book of holiness is basically discount book of sanity. Downside would only matter when they get to deathsdoor. Perhaps it's better to put it on decent hp heroes like Arbalest, Crusader Life crystal, I would personally rate it S or A tier. It's pretty huge hp boost only bested by ancestor bottle. Changing your squishy heroes to medium and medium hp heroes to tank size health
Regarding the caution cloak, surely it does not matter how much speed it takes away since you will see the battle coming and be able to take the trinket off? I just thought of this so it may have more nuance than that.
This is generally more applicable with modded classes, but it's also a fantastic tool if you need to force your team to go in a specific order on turn 1, such as if you want to start a Cataphract in rank 4 and a Shrapnel in rank 1 and have them use Onslaught and Overclocking to trade places.
The thing is, you scout when you enter a room, so you'd still have to deal with a lot of room battles, so you can't entirely ignore the penalty like with, say, the ancestor's bottle.
Bloodthristy ring is easily S tier. Taking one such ring in a dungeon automatically saves you 3 food. It is the best tool for macro with fasting seals. If you get bloodthirsty ring or fasting seals, for the love of God, put them on your party. Not bringing extra food does more stuff than simply saving you 3 food per trinket!It *frees* *up* *inventory* *space* for you to bring more money or heirlooms back!You would not normally throw food away,given the choice, so having a trinket compensate for it AND give you extra hp for you to last the dungeon and ignore the healing received debuff is very important during the course of the game. It simply scales off as you progress and you stop hunting for money/heirlooms, but in the early to mid game, this trinket is a beast to have. Its drawback is also weaker early to mid game, where a 1 heal stays a 1 heal and 2 heal stays 2. The early game Vestal will party heal you with 1-2 despite the trinket( 0.75 becomes 1 and 1.5 becomes 2). Otherwise losing 1-2 points of heal matters not, since it won't prevent your character from leaving death's door with a heal. Granted you will not bring this trinket to lvl 6 dungeons(which prerequisite this trinket helps fulfill), but it is an otherwise a must have in your roster! Also those 225 gold you save for taking it with you(3 food less)really adds up over the course of a playthrough.Suppose you get it at week 10 and use it until week 40(close to champion level dungeons and all heroes upgraded). That would be 225 * 30 = 6750 gold. Selling it would net you 1500 gold. By using it, you would already be 5250 gold ahead. The hidden boon though is your ability to exhaust your supply of food sooner and have extra inventory. This is easily seen in long dungeon where you would normally want to bring enough food for 2 feasts and 4 hunger checks. Normally you would take 12 + 12 + 8 food for 3 inventory slots. With one bloodthirsty ring that would be 12 + 12 (4 hunger checks and 2 feasts). That extra inventory slot is more or less worth a stack of gold coins(1750). Having that extra money in every run will easily upgrade a party's weapons and armor up to lvl 5 (52500 gold) or compound your interest with the bank upgrade. The bloodthirsty ring is easily a god tier trinket. Healing received is one of the more manageable debuffs to have, compared to speed, max hp or resists. It's one of the only 2 trinkets that generate you gold from use and their counterparts(those that consume extra food) have op effects(Hunter's talon and Ancestor's bottle, except the Viscount's spices) From lvl 5 onwards, it becomes trash though. It is easily replaced by trinkets that boost your hero's overall effectiveness(DMG,Acc,HP,Resists)
@@ShuffleFM Thank you for responding to my comment. Sadly my math did not check out!I3 rations is only for short dungeons and this is usually found as a reward for medium length dungeons. In medium and long you save 375 and 600 respectively on food. As one usually does more medium length ones than long or short dungeons, the final gold saved is 11250 11250 is the approximate direct networth you make from using the ring consistently. If you are interested in a video idea, try inventory management for a dungeon run. What supplies are needed in what regions, how many should one bring and what to throw away, when the inventory gets inevitably full. A contrast between mentalities in apprentice, veteran and champion would also be nice, as the game is played differently in late game, compared to early game.
I like critical stone for Vestal. Healing comfort if you focus on crits can proc multiple times a ise for full party stress healing, on top of full party healing.
Pretty late to be commenting now but I think that a dark bracer has a lot of utility on torchless runs, especially on characters with already high crit and maybe in conjunction with surgical gloves. More crits means getting rid of stress casters sooner often + additional stress heals here and there
Can't disagree more about book of holiness. If you're having a deathblow check this early into the game (when you still use white/green stuff), either your party is very expendable or you're doing something wrong. I'd even argue to the point that every time the game makes a deathblow check (excluding Endless Harvest and to some degree DD), you're playing it wrong. Deathblow res is very unreliable, it might as well be zero as far as I'm concerned. And even then' it's 57 vs 67, it still have 57% chance to proc, it is at the same level of unreliability as 67%. -20% stress on the other hand is very strong early on (and in middle game it's also nice), as you don't have that many stress healers (and if you do their stress heal is weak until at least level 3), even heroes in general, so saving a bit more stress might just let you use that hero again. Gambler is the same deal about death blow, but 15% hp in early does close to nothing (2-3 max hp on most heroes), so it's not good, but not sell either.
How many bosses have you actually fought? Literally blighted giants can deaths door squishier heroes with a single crit. God forbid you take a hit from Swine God, Vvulf, Prophet, or face off against 4 Pelagic Piranhas. Deaths Door is not a worst case scenario, it is an inevitably at many times.
@@RobotLVS How many of my comment you actually read? 1) deathblow CHECK (by which I mean getting hit at death's door), not actual death's door, death's door is almost inevitable at some point; 2) EARLY into the game, deathblow check is more than avoidable up until you fight veteran bosses/champion enemies. It's my opinion deathblow check at any point is playing the game wrong, it is not correct by any means, that's just how I think, but early on it's definetly wrong (or party is expendable). As for another part: you shouldn't have squishy heroes up front vs giants, excluding Flag. Cove Lepers only one-shot with melee, same rule. They can do bs for sure, but it's for 99% in your hands to control (e.g. stuns). All of the mentioned bosses telegraph their strong attack, it's your job to do something about it (e.g. protect).
@@PRO100SashaX surprise is possible even with full torch and trinkets. even minimum level bosses have DoTs to throw around or worse, multi-attacks. I have kept my deaths door checks to a minimum, but sometimes you just have bad luck. Spearfishing on higher level pelagic groupers can pull heroes. Octocestus has bleed damage. Plague doctor get pulled up front at an inopportune time? Might literally be death if you're unlucky. Also, I forgot hag. Hag is number one bullshit boss imo.
@@RobotLVS DoTs if dangerous should have a workaround (removal, resistances, stuns, reclaim), cleave hits can be fixed by vestal and reclaim. You do have a bad luck sometimes, but it's super rare, I've only got actual bs once, when two enemies got their turns 4 times before any on my heroes, each attacked once person, each attack connected with ~max damage, they sticked dot and the hero (MAA) went first before PD. No mark btw. He also died. Deathblow res is a myth, survival is a joke. Speed is an actual bs mechanic, I don't have problems with everything else in this game but insane random speed spread. Something as unlucky as this can cause deathblow check, but for 99% time things are (should be) under your area of control. Just combo of spearfishing+octocestus is not enough to bring to death's door, with bleed tick maybe but you can (should) recover by then. If you have more than two dangerous enemies acting per turn with no workaround, it's your mistake. Hag is super bs, can''t take that one out. I usually just ignore her outright up until I'm able to powercreep her with powerful trinkets and/or town event to bring experienced heroes anywhere. Champion one goes with prayers at hand, and lots of damage to just wipe her before stew is ready. Don't forget Fanatic, hag on steroids. Taking a hero out of the party with fingersnap when game spirals down super quickly with hero loss is truly bs. But at least hag does like nothing excluding boiling, and fanatic isn't a requirement to kill at any point.
Hi, in case you are looking for video ideas, could you make a one where you talk about all the zones? Like what to expect in the ruins at different levels, what characters excel there, if you should try to bring bleed/blight/move resist for the dungeon, what heirlooms can be found there etc etc
Also, Leper has *the best* debuff in the game in the form of intimidate, which imposes a much more severe damage penalty than weakening curse and also severely reduces speed. The Leper can literally hit the cap for enemy damage reduction by himself (it seems to be less than 99%, which is what he can hit with fully upgraded intimidate). Ive brought Leper to fight bosses like the Swine God and Prophet as a debuffer that can also hit hard once damage reduction is fully stacked. Against tanky enemies like the Swinetaur and Big Boner (I forget the actual name, those dummy thicc skeletons with the maces), you can repeatedly intimidate until they do trivial damage (and also to prevent reinforcements), then fully heal and stress heal your party. Unfortunately, Leper has no unique debuff trinkets, so for this strategy to work more consistently its worth considering using a debuff stone because Leper doesnt care about speed anyway.
Can't believe you put the camouflage cloak below S, that thing is fucking A-M-A-Z-I-N-G, it's your poor man's ancestor's coat and it kicks ass. Hell, I take it into darkest runs with the ancestor's coat for a juicy +30 dodge on my houndmaster or jester and it cleans up.
I don't think it's poor man coat. You trade stun resist for extra stress dmg. If you have enough dodge + acc debuffs it's better to have lower stun resist (which is situational). Cloak and Coat are both meta S trinkets.
I got an ad for Richard Branson’s commercial space flight nonsense and all could think about was “...fattened by decadence and luxury, I soon grew tired of...conventional extravagance.” Like dude, how bout you spend that money guaranteeing access to healthcare for all? Even billionaire scumbags like Carnegie built public libraries at least.
I use to fight in low torch/torchless not because "Omg im such a pro" On one of my first runs i forgot to purchase torches, after the self realization im stupid, i realise i started getting way moar loot, gems, trinets and heirlooms
I actually like to Dark Bracer for torchless/low light runs, at least until I get surgical gloves. And the fact that it gives crit chance to anyone isn't nothing.
Woah, crazy that you put Bloodthirst Ring so far down. I consider it one of the green S-Tier trinkets as I will still sometimes use it after getting Ancestral level items when I want to lessen my load in longer dungeons and let my people eat more during camping (healing both hp and stress). Edit: Okay, need to finish watching the vid cause you also put Book of Holiness super low, which I find just a replacement for Book of Sanity until late game. Would put it in A tier ahaha. Wow. Edit Edit: CAMO CLOAK NOT IN S TIER? IT'S ONE OF THE BEST DODGE TRINKETS IN THE GAME?! EDIT EDIT EDIT: Okay, you're just trolling now. Heavy Boots in A tier? It's a trinket that remains relevant through entire game. Final Edit: Great vid man, obviously disagree with some of your placements, but I like how you explain the reasoning behind each one. Was a good video.
Thanks. I have a lot of respect for you since you can have substantive disagreements, lay them out, but still leave room for those differences. I appreciate you taking the time to watch my stuff and leave your feedback.
@@ShuffleFM That's what's so great about this game. Lots of different viable strategies, so a lot of people might have completely different tier lists from each other. Now I gotta finish watching the rest of your item tier list vids :P Edit: Oh, 3rd one's not out yet. xD
@@Wintertoes It is scheduled to come out in 1h 45m. It was done yesterday but youtube didn't process it til like 6pm my time which is a bad time to release vids according to my youtube stats lol
solar bracer is even good in low light challenge runs because sooner or later you have to go into the courtyard or the farmstead and then having the solar bracer so you don't have to completely abandon your crit strategies is god tier. Easy A.
I object to bloodthirst ring being sell tier. You slap it on vestal, she self heals and is on back lines. There's no other ways to do this since fasting seal and stress faster suck and you need the food for -10 stress in campfire and medium/long ruins where you don't have food curios and run low light antiquarian for that A++loot. Rush the cartographer's camp and you're swimming in loot. Veteran ruins are the less punishing transition early mid game, which is the most important stage of the game imo.
I didn't ask for this but I appreciate its existence. I want to go back and do a stygian run soon so knowing how to have a strong start is going to be pretty helpful. Though obviously the best charm in the early game is the Crest of the 1100 :P
Personally I rate the bloodlust ring much higher. When going on medium, long, heck even short dungeons, not having to stress about food is great. Feasting every time you camp can save a lot of stress and respite points spent on healing. Saves on inventory space for food since 1 stack is 4 checks instead of 3, let's you reliably bring back the goods. I haven't really noticed the lack of healing done on targets most of the time. If you target proactively and stall properly, the healing debuff is hardly noticeable, especially if you put it on lower health heroes. And I guess fasting charm is just straight up better, but God dam I'm week 100 into stygian and the thing still hasn't shown up, so bloodlust all the way til that shows up.
You're sleeping on the Dark Bracer. I finished a pitch black kill all bosses run last year and the Dark Bracer was an equalizer. You shouldn't care too much about dodge. If you're playing in the most difficult way (Pitch Black, Bloodmoon), enemies will have such high accuracy that dodges are next to impossible.
I just don't understand why the warrior brace and the damage stone have the same -4 dodge, but the warrior only aply 10% to melee skills while the damage stone aply 10% to everything, I can't see why this makes sense
The Bloodthirst Ring is trash on its own but decent if you have 4 of them. I often run 4 of them with one on each party member so I don't need to bring food and never fail hunger checks (unless a character has something like stress eater or tapeworm.) I only do this if I'm low on money and am going to farm gold. Otherwise yeah, the healing penalty is awful.
Nice list. The only one I disagree with is the book of Holiness which I would rank at least B and borderline A but certainly above "auto-sell" tier. I'm assuming this is a ranking based on you're just starting out and looking for stuff to equip while trying to get the really good trinkets rather than say how they are in the end game (which is obviously factored in for the really good trinkets). I feel that really good players don't get Deathblow checked in early basic missions and if you never have a deathblow check, deathblow reduction is not a downside. Now obviously it falls off very fast once you start doing harder missions like boss missions or the DLC but for just basic running around I think it's fine though I will give you that there are a lot of things that outclass it most notably the Book or Relaxation and countless rare trinkets. Now tbf I haven't played on the higher difficulty setting yet but even still I think getting deathblow checked is fairly unlikely in a standard mission.
Great vid I was wondering, is there a max acc, dodge, speed? Where once it reaches a certain number value it stops increasing? When you where talking about acc with the hero bracelet you mentioned getting your acc capped.
Equip mildreds locket on someone if you find it. Shieldbreaker/highwayman/jester/vestal is a pretty safe team if you just want to beat miller. Puncture his guards, riposte his cleaves, try and burn him down so you don't take too much damage. Using expose for shieldbreaker to give jester a free finale can be good too
I'm new to the game, but watched way too many videos about darkest dungeon. So I'm wondering if you should always take a stress healer and try to get out of a dungeon with 0 stress . It worked for the green dungeons, but failed for the mid tier dungeon. was that just me being dumb/unlucky, or was it me wasting a character just stress healing?
You don't always have to take a dedicated stress healer. It gets harder to keep stress at 0 at higher level missions. As long as people are coming back alive you did fine. If you are getting afflicted in every dungeon it's time to examine your team building and how you strategize.
Yo thanks for the video man, loved it. I have a question, im having trouble to do some bosses in the game, nothing about their mechanic, but often I found myself without heroes to go there and clean it, and another problem with keeping my gold on a stable amount, maybe in playing too safe but I want some tips about it, thanks Edit: The problem is with heroes level, I found myself with too many lvl 5-6 heroes and no good comps with the lvl 3-4 to do bosses, I dont know how I get there but almost everyone is at 5 without me killing half the bosses lvl 3+
It's easy to outpace the boss appearance by leveling, so it's understandable. There's a rare town event that lets you bring high level heroes to low level missions but I don't recommend waiting for it. I'd say start booting people to level up new squads to clear weaker bosses. It isn't fun to do usually. Pick your weakest heroes and get rid of them, or wait until they get some bad quirks/diseases/stress that you don't want to pay for. It feels better to do this if you grab some strong units off the stage coach, so check their quirks weekly and get replacements. As for gold, the bank helps if you have districts on from crimson court. If you don't, then you have to be more selective with stress healing activities, quirks, and buying upgrades. Sell trinkets you don't use as well for more money. It's okay if someone goes into a dungeon at 50 stress if you can heal it with jester or crusader for example. Diseases can be cured by camping with plague doctor and grave robber.
I know this is an old video at this point but I have one criticism: If you're only using three tiers, why not just go A/B/C/Sell? You keep calling some trinkets niche or mediocre, but then put them in "B" tier. Usually, B Tier means good but not great. It makes it very confusing to follow along to this when pretty much every trinket gets a B grade or better.
Late to the party, but I wanted to give my thoughts anyway: I think you put too much of a premium on bleed/blight resist. Thinking strictly in terms of apprentice level (that's really the only time you'll use these baring extreme cases) most DOTs only have 1 or 2 damage a turn and other more damaging DOT enemies like the crab in the cove don't seem to spawn in apprentice and even if it does still worry you, it's a problem easily solved by extra bandages and antidotes Anything about moving or move resist can safely go in the trash. Move resist, like mentioned in the video, doesn't work because other people can be moved and mess up the party anyway and it's not like there are many enemies that move you anyway. Move chance is also bad because it really doesn't help that much when you consider opportunity cost. The only enemies (again in apprentice) that I can think of this affecting are bone rabble, occultist brawler, the fish shaman, and the bone nobles. None of them really warrant moving over just stunning or killing though. I also disagree about the premium of death blow resist, but it's understandable to not want to increase the chance of someone instantly dying. I just don't feel like caring about something that only matters a small amount of the time, especially knowing I could still just immediately die anyway. Also you can use the debuff charm for man at arms bellow, but I know I'm the only person that uses bellow so hard to argue. Great video keep up the good work
I value the dot resist because that is usually what gets someone killed. Getting hit or crit to deaths door with a bleed is a situation worth avoiding imo. The 1 point effects aren't as threatening, but 2x3 dots at level 0 or 1 are still pretty strong. You also save money by not taking extra consumables. At the end of the day it's preference of course. Thanks for taking the time to comment :)
@@ShuffleFM Agreed. DOT definitely takes up at LEAST 80% of death blows, but I do think it's funny how the massive -5 speed on deaths door usually makes them go last, except when they somehow roll a -3 and that's higher than your parties -12 they rolled which is very :). Extra supplies in the early game can also be quite the luxury with 150-200 easily making up 1/10 or 1/20 of your loot haul. Watching the second part right now and unsurprisingly agreeing a lot more since it gets very cut and dry what's the best of the best. Only thing I would've changed in that one was make all the "25% damage vs X" rings S since dungeons largely only have 1 enemy type (excluding roving cultists and bandits) so -8 dodge feels fine enough to have them, though if the idea is "take them anywhere" like I think you mention it was, then that's obviously a big yikes for those rings. Regardless good work on that video as well
Actually I ran my ruins tactician flagellant with Book of Rage +martyr's seal and on death's door + afflicted, he did leper damage and just deleted every skeleton I encountered. Definitely underrated tactic
Trinket List from the wiki, beware of potential spoilers: darkestdungeon.gamepedia.com/Trinkets
hear me out, book of rage on the flagellant
I am so happy i found this channel, your explanations to why some trinkets are op are so insanely educative and make me regard these trinkets much higher and realise what i do wrong when i play DD
Thanks for watching :)
The disease charm has one niche use:
You don't bring it with you on an expedition, if you happen to get it _during_ one, you can equip it onto a character with the lowest disease res at the end before you leave to lower the chance of getting a disease. You need a minimum of 82% disease res for the chance of contracting one be at its minimum of 5%, so this can be handy in case a holy water isn't enough.
I use Book of Holiness a lot in the early game to counteract the added stress from class specific trinkets like blasphemous vial. Avoiding afflictions is a lot more valuable than the difference between 1/3 and 2/5 failure at deaths door.
Also death blow resist is a myth anyway
I would actually not sell the stun charm, I usually put that in my arbalest to further trivialize swine god fight due to wilbur’s stuns.
I'd love to see a Man-At-Arms guide! I keep hearing about how amazing he is but I clearly don't know how to use him correctly.
MAA is coming after Arbalest. Once I finish her guide he will be in the works right after :)
@@ShuffleFM Awesome! I love your content and even though it takes a little longer to get out I appreciate the time you're putting into it and how much detail you give. Keep it up!
I also realized that since characters get shuffled around from other characters' movement, move resist is very unreliable for its purpose (and most enemies who can shuffle you around seem to rarely do it for some reason).
If you need to deal with heavy movement and stuff, better organize the team around it and leave the Leper and Arbalest sit this one out.
On the other hand stun skill is ALWAYS good going from 80% to 90% success is amazing, and going from 40% to 50% success is just as amazing.
Highwayman is going to be the best
Highwayman be like "yes"
he's quickly become one of my top champion dungeon heroes
@@A129WOLFY Riposte is my DD drug. Every time it lands I get a hit of pure dopamine.
@@snkybrki that’s how I feel when Flag hits a crit exsang with a crit heal
@@S0nder-exe Lol, that too.
I've just bought the game recently (thanks christmas sales) and found your channel and I absolutely love your content, keep up the amazing work.:)
Welcome to the game! Thanks for watching my stuff :)
+8% crit on dark bracer is kinda nutty when combined with AoE and the crit bonus from low light. It pretty much guarantees your 3-4 target AoEs will get at least one crit and trigger the crit buff. Favorite use so far is in a dancing bleed party in the Warrens or Weald, slap it on hellion, kill backline unit, then breakthrough for a pretty much guaranteed 33% damage bonus on bleeding targets
Book of Relaxation synergizes well with the Overture box. They cancel each other's effects leaving you with +2 ACC, +4 Dodge, +15% HP, -10% Stress
I find the dodge cloak to be one of the best triket in the game, including in the end game. The trinket is basically +15 dodge, not sure there are many better trinkets even in orange.
Great video! Can wait to see all the highwayman trinkets in "S" for sell tier.
Ayy good timing, just spent 6 hours installing 70 waifu mods while listening to your Hero Tier list videos!
Bloodthirst Ring works well with an Arbalest in a party, actually. She buffs an ally for healing received and that neutralizes the trinket's negative effect.
Just watched your hero tierlist randomly 3 days ago and loved it. Happy to see the trinket tier list
Thanks! Production value not as strong in this series, so I apologize in advance lol
@@ShuffleFM lol xD. Still love to see it and am looking forward for the next parts C:
Personally I'd have defined "S-tier" as trinkets you're comfortable taking even in the engame. To me that's bleed charm, seer stone, surgical gloves, swift cloak and chirurgeon's charm.
"A tier" would be stuff that's really good until you find better replacement in the midgame.
And B would be "I'll put it on if I have no other trinket for that character".
Also can we talk about how you value scouting trinkets in S, but that scouting cloak you completely neglect? As you said, just put that thing on a crusader, Leper or MAA,those guys are slow anyways and nobody cares if some frontline damage dealers go before them in round 1.
Caution cloak probably is A tbh
Great video! yep, surgical gloves are a trinket I regularly use with higher level folks. for melee characters combining that with the +20% dam trinket can be pretty effective. Something I've thought about too (and I'm sure everyone else has also but I'm gonna say it anyway) is that if characters were able to hold 3 trinkets instead of 2, there are actually a lot of trinkets that would automatically become a ton more useful. B/c there are a lot that have great effects, but they just aren't good enough to justify taking one of only 2 spots, but if you had one more slot you could use more of the -stress trinkets or the big -bleed/-blight/-disease trinkets or the scouting/surprise ones that are really tempting, but just aren't quite good enough.
One other thing that I wish for sometimes is being able to bring extra trinkets in your inventory that you could swap later, that would be kinda nice but maybe too op in certain situations.
I was literally re watching your Hero tier list video earlier and when you were talking about class trinkets, i was wishing you make a video for all trinkets. I guess i got my wish lmfao
8:05 the one thing keeping it out of sell tier is that when you have 4 of them and/or one other item you don't need food for checks or feasting, which turns backtracking into a reward rather than a risk. couple this with the fact higher hp means more healing from food, granary, and often times herbs=food, makes it good for farming/no healer challenges.
13:50 s tier. having an ancestors coat saves so many hits. then you stack it with coat
21:45 sell tier, never used one.
23:40 they've never dropped for me... considering how stressful the collection for protection items are, not surprised they like it. also, reference to link's boots.
30:00 favorite piece of trash
definitely makes me want to find a combine trinket for improve trinkets mod, which probably doesn't exist...
Note about gambler's charm and any health stacking options: enemy AI seems to target weaker heroes way more often and outright ignore marks, so it can be a way of anti-tanking; getting the AI to prefer a dodgier hero like Jester or riposting one like MAA/HWM while your front liners avoid debuffs/stuns from attacks, remaining fully effective at delivering their own. Less of a thing on higher difficulties, in torchless, and vs bosses because bad RNG = almost guaranteed death. If consistent in your comps, can make Revenge/Intimidate safer on Leper.
There are only 2 S-tier here: the +15 dodge cloack and the +20 prod boots, they are the only ones that's best in slot at the end game. Surgical glove is close but there are other similar items.
Thank goodness for these. I have numerous times gotten low on funds and hesitated on what to keep and what to sell. I swear half the time my inventory would make the Collector blush (I must have one of everything!) Because of this, funds tend to drop frequently. Still, now I do have reliable gear and this will give me the last push past the "but what if I need it later" that always creeps up
I like to keep every trinket in my stash and collect trinkets at all cost, never selling them.
This is really nice. Im finishing my first run on Darkest, getting ready to try Bloodmoon, but earlygame i didnt really get trinkets. I think i killed 2 bosses before i even realized how to equip them, and got to veteran missions before starting to check the rewards for optimal trinkets, so a lot of the common ones i have no experience with, since i already had all the heads, boxes, and quite a few class specific and very rare trinkets by the time i started using them.
bloodthirst ring is good for very long dungeons ..with it equipped u can carry less food saving one inventory spot and also it useful in early game as u buy less food and save more money that way
shuffle: gamblers charm is in sell tier
me who just did a mission for it: you have tricked me for all I'm worth and now I hate you.
If you play carefully or safe comps with good healer vestal or/and man at arms Book of holiness is basically discount book of sanity. Downside would only matter when they get to deathsdoor. Perhaps it's better to put it on decent hp heroes like Arbalest, Crusader
Life crystal, I would personally rate it S or A tier. It's pretty huge hp boost only bested by ancestor bottle. Changing your squishy heroes to medium and medium hp heroes to tank size health
Regarding the caution cloak, surely it does not matter how much speed it takes away since you will see the battle coming and be able to take the trinket off? I just thought of this so it may have more nuance than that.
i do this with trinkets that are for scouting eg ancestor's map,etc, good tactic to prevent their debufss
Yeah ok that's what i thought.
This is generally more applicable with modded classes, but it's also a fantastic tool if you need to force your team to go in a specific order on turn 1, such as if you want to start a Cataphract in rank 4 and a Shrapnel in rank 1 and have them use Onslaught and Overclocking to trade places.
The thing is, you scout when you enter a room, so you'd still have to deal with a lot of room battles, so you can't entirely ignore the penalty like with, say, the ancestor's bottle.
oooh im very much looking forward to you looking at the cc trinkets and the farmstead trinkets
This was very very helpful thank you so so much for posting this and creating this
Bloodthristy ring is easily S tier. Taking one such ring in a dungeon automatically saves you 3 food. It is the best tool for macro with fasting seals. If you get bloodthirsty ring or fasting seals, for the love of God, put them on your party. Not bringing extra food does more stuff than simply saving you 3 food per trinket!It *frees* *up* *inventory* *space* for you to bring more money or heirlooms back!You would not normally throw food away,given the choice, so having a trinket compensate for it AND give you extra hp for you to last the dungeon and ignore the healing received debuff is very important during the course of the game. It simply scales off as you progress and you stop hunting for money/heirlooms, but in the early to mid game, this trinket is a beast to have. Its drawback is also weaker early to mid game, where a 1 heal stays a 1 heal and 2 heal stays 2. The early game Vestal will party heal you with 1-2 despite the trinket( 0.75 becomes 1 and 1.5 becomes 2). Otherwise losing 1-2 points of heal matters not, since it won't prevent your character from leaving death's door with a heal. Granted you will not bring this trinket to lvl 6 dungeons(which prerequisite this trinket helps fulfill), but it is an otherwise a must have in your roster!
Also those 225 gold you save for taking it with you(3 food less)really adds up over the course of a playthrough.Suppose you get it at week 10 and use it until week 40(close to champion level dungeons and all heroes upgraded). That would be 225 * 30 = 6750 gold. Selling it would net you 1500 gold. By using it, you would already be 5250 gold ahead. The hidden boon though is your ability to exhaust your supply of food sooner and have extra inventory. This is easily seen in long dungeon where you would normally want to bring enough food for 2 feasts and 4 hunger checks. Normally you would take 12 + 12 + 8 food for 3 inventory slots. With one bloodthirsty ring that would be 12 + 12 (4 hunger checks and 2 feasts). That extra inventory slot is more or less worth a stack of gold coins(1750). Having that extra money in every run will easily upgrade a party's weapons and armor up to lvl 5 (52500 gold) or compound your interest with the bank upgrade.
The bloodthirsty ring is easily a god tier trinket. Healing received is one of the more manageable debuffs to have, compared to speed, max hp or resists. It's one of the only 2 trinkets that generate you gold from use and their counterparts(those that consume extra food) have op effects(Hunter's talon and Ancestor's bottle, except the Viscount's spices)
From lvl 5 onwards, it becomes trash though. It is easily replaced by trinkets that boost your hero's overall effectiveness(DMG,Acc,HP,Resists)
Definitely a strong point considering the math, so thanks for taking the time to crunch it.
@@ShuffleFM Thank you for responding to my comment. Sadly my math did not check out!I3 rations is only for short dungeons and this is usually found as a reward for medium length dungeons. In medium and long you save 375 and 600 respectively on food. As one usually does more medium length ones than long or short dungeons, the final gold saved is 11250
11250 is the approximate direct networth you make from using the ring consistently.
If you are interested in a video idea, try inventory management for a dungeon run. What supplies are needed in what regions, how many should one bring and what to throw away, when the inventory gets inevitably full. A contrast between mentalities in apprentice, veteran and champion would also be nice, as the game is played differently in late game, compared to early game.
I like critical stone for Vestal. Healing comfort if you focus on crits can proc multiple times a ise for full party stress healing, on top of full party healing.
The chance for healing to crit is fixed and not affected by bonuses I believe
Pretty late to be commenting now but I think that a dark bracer has a lot of utility on torchless runs, especially on characters with already high crit and maybe in conjunction with surgical gloves. More crits means getting rid of stress casters sooner often + additional stress heals here and there
Book of rage on Flagg seems pretty good
Can't disagree more about book of holiness. If you're having a deathblow check this early into the game (when you still use white/green stuff), either your party is very expendable or you're doing something wrong. I'd even argue to the point that every time the game makes a deathblow check (excluding Endless Harvest and to some degree DD), you're playing it wrong. Deathblow res is very unreliable, it might as well be zero as far as I'm concerned. And even then' it's 57 vs 67, it still have 57% chance to proc, it is at the same level of unreliability as 67%. -20% stress on the other hand is very strong early on (and in middle game it's also nice), as you don't have that many stress healers (and if you do their stress heal is weak until at least level 3), even heroes in general, so saving a bit more stress might just let you use that hero again. Gambler is the same deal about death blow, but 15% hp in early does close to nothing (2-3 max hp on most heroes), so it's not good, but not sell either.
How many bosses have you actually fought?
Literally blighted giants can deaths door squishier heroes with a single crit. God forbid you take a hit from Swine God, Vvulf, Prophet, or face off against 4 Pelagic Piranhas.
Deaths Door is not a worst case scenario, it is an inevitably at many times.
@@RobotLVS How many of my comment you actually read?
1) deathblow CHECK (by which I mean getting hit at death's door), not actual death's door, death's door is almost inevitable at some point;
2) EARLY into the game, deathblow check is more than avoidable up until you fight veteran bosses/champion enemies. It's my opinion deathblow check at any point is playing the game wrong, it is not correct by any means, that's just how I think, but early on it's definetly wrong (or party is expendable).
As for another part: you shouldn't have squishy heroes up front vs giants, excluding Flag. Cove Lepers only one-shot with melee, same rule. They can do bs for sure, but it's for 99% in your hands to control (e.g. stuns). All of the mentioned bosses telegraph their strong attack, it's your job to do something about it (e.g. protect).
@@PRO100SashaX surprise is possible even with full torch and trinkets. even minimum level bosses have DoTs to throw around or worse, multi-attacks.
I have kept my deaths door checks to a minimum, but sometimes you just have bad luck.
Spearfishing on higher level pelagic groupers can pull heroes. Octocestus has bleed damage. Plague doctor get pulled up front at an inopportune time? Might literally be death if you're unlucky. Also, I forgot hag. Hag is number one bullshit boss imo.
@@RobotLVS DoTs if dangerous should have a workaround (removal, resistances, stuns, reclaim), cleave hits can be fixed by vestal and reclaim. You do have a bad luck sometimes, but it's super rare, I've only got actual bs once, when two enemies got their turns 4 times before any on my heroes, each attacked once person, each attack connected with ~max damage, they sticked dot and the hero (MAA) went first before PD. No mark btw. He also died. Deathblow res is a myth, survival is a joke. Speed is an actual bs mechanic, I don't have problems with everything else in this game but insane random speed spread. Something as unlucky as this can cause deathblow check, but for 99% time things are (should be) under your area of control.
Just combo of spearfishing+octocestus is not enough to bring to death's door, with bleed tick maybe but you can (should) recover by then. If you have more than two dangerous enemies acting per turn with no workaround, it's your mistake.
Hag is super bs, can''t take that one out. I usually just ignore her outright up until I'm able to powercreep her with powerful trinkets and/or town event to bring experienced heroes anywhere. Champion one goes with prayers at hand, and lots of damage to just wipe her before stew is ready. Don't forget Fanatic, hag on steroids. Taking a hero out of the party with fingersnap when game spirals down super quickly with hero loss is truly bs. But at least hag does like nothing excluding boiling, and fanatic isn't a requirement to kill at any point.
Hi, in case you are looking for video ideas, could you make a one where you talk about all the zones? Like what to expect in the ruins at different levels, what characters excel there, if you should try to bring bleed/blight/move resist for the dungeon, what heirlooms can be found there etc etc
Surgical Gloves deserve their own tier. Leper Glove = Beeg damage
Also, Leper has *the best* debuff in the game in the form of intimidate, which imposes a much more severe damage penalty than weakening curse and also severely reduces speed. The Leper can literally hit the cap for enemy damage reduction by himself (it seems to be less than 99%, which is what he can hit with fully upgraded intimidate). Ive brought Leper to fight bosses like the Swine God and Prophet as a debuffer that can also hit hard once damage reduction is fully stacked. Against tanky enemies like the Swinetaur and Big Boner (I forget the actual name, those dummy thicc skeletons with the maces), you can repeatedly intimidate until they do trivial damage (and also to prevent reinforcements), then fully heal and stress heal your party. Unfortunately, Leper has no unique debuff trinkets, so for this strategy to work more consistently its worth considering using a debuff stone because Leper doesnt care about speed anyway.
I use Debuff amulet on Leper in Weald. It's vital to secure dmg debuff on those 1 shot giants
Can't believe you put the camouflage cloak below S, that thing is fucking A-M-A-Z-I-N-G, it's your poor man's ancestor's coat and it kicks ass. Hell, I take it into darkest runs with the ancestor's coat for a juicy +30 dodge on my houndmaster or jester and it cleans up.
I don't think it's poor man coat. You trade stun resist for extra stress dmg. If you have enough dodge + acc debuffs it's better to have lower stun resist (which is situational). Cloak and Coat are both meta S trinkets.
@@Pandzior75 Yeah, I mean "poor man's" because it's only "uncommon"
Book of holyness with always have a special place in my heart. It was my one stress trinket for fucking AGES.
This is Epic next tier list *CLAP* CLAP*
I got an ad for Richard Branson’s commercial space flight nonsense and all could think about was “...fattened by decadence and luxury, I soon grew tired of...conventional extravagance.”
Like dude, how bout you spend that money guaranteeing access to healthcare for all? Even billionaire scumbags like Carnegie built public libraries at least.
Move amulet is also good for fighting the siren. Keep one around just for that
Cool, now do it with all the backer trinkets.
I forgot about them tbh lol. I never used them so I just don't consider them, and they also weren't in this premade list anyway.
@@ShuffleFM Some of them are really insane, should definitely give it a try at some point
Maybe just make a separate backer tier list because a lot of these are just silly.
I use to fight in low torch/torchless not because "Omg im such a pro"
On one of my first runs i forgot to purchase torches, after the self realization im stupid, i realise i started getting way moar loot, gems, trinets and heirlooms
I actually like to Dark Bracer for torchless/low light runs, at least until I get surgical gloves. And the fact that it gives crit chance to anyone isn't nothing.
I usually give antiquarian the bloodthirsting ring cause I want her to cost as little and make me even more money
I like your channel. Wish I'd stumbled on it awhile ago. Woulda saved alot of heros lives.
Woah, crazy that you put Bloodthirst Ring so far down. I consider it one of the green S-Tier trinkets as I will still sometimes use it after getting Ancestral level items when I want to lessen my load in longer dungeons and let my people eat more during camping (healing both hp and stress).
Edit: Okay, need to finish watching the vid cause you also put Book of Holiness super low, which I find just a replacement for Book of Sanity until late game. Would put it in A tier ahaha. Wow.
Edit Edit: CAMO CLOAK NOT IN S TIER? IT'S ONE OF THE BEST DODGE TRINKETS IN THE GAME?!
EDIT EDIT EDIT: Okay, you're just trolling now. Heavy Boots in A tier? It's a trinket that remains relevant through entire game.
Final Edit: Great vid man, obviously disagree with some of your placements, but I like how you explain the reasoning behind each one. Was a good video.
Thanks. I have a lot of respect for you since you can have substantive disagreements, lay them out, but still leave room for those differences. I appreciate you taking the time to watch my stuff and leave your feedback.
@@ShuffleFM That's what's so great about this game. Lots of different viable strategies, so a lot of people might have completely different tier lists from each other. Now I gotta finish watching the rest of your item tier list vids :P
Edit: Oh, 3rd one's not out yet. xD
@@Wintertoes It is scheduled to come out in 1h 45m. It was done yesterday but youtube didn't process it til like 6pm my time which is a bad time to release vids according to my youtube stats lol
solar bracer is even good in low light challenge runs because sooner or later you have to go into the courtyard or the farmstead and then having the solar bracer so you don't have to completely abandon your crit strategies is god tier. Easy A.
I object to bloodthirst ring being sell tier. You slap it on vestal, she self heals and is on back lines. There's no other ways to do this since fasting seal and stress faster suck and you need the food for -10 stress in campfire and medium/long ruins where you don't have food curios and run low light antiquarian for that
A++loot. Rush the cartographer's camp and you're swimming in loot. Veteran ruins are the less punishing transition early mid game, which is the most important stage of the game imo.
I didn't ask for this but I appreciate its existence. I want to go back and do a stygian run soon so knowing how to have a strong start is going to be pretty helpful. Though obviously the best charm in the early game is the Crest of the 1100 :P
Video starts at around 2:30
We have entered the "skip the shuff" phase of the channel.
Personally I rate the bloodlust ring much higher. When going on medium, long, heck even short dungeons, not having to stress about food is great. Feasting every time you camp can save a lot of stress and respite points spent on healing. Saves on inventory space for food since 1 stack is 4 checks instead of 3, let's you reliably bring back the goods. I haven't really noticed the lack of healing done on targets most of the time. If you target proactively and stall properly, the healing debuff is hardly noticeable, especially if you put it on lower health heroes.
And I guess fasting charm is just straight up better, but God dam I'm week 100 into stygian and the thing still hasn't shown up, so bloodlust all the way til that shows up.
I think bloodlust ring is the strongest of the common/uncommon trinkets. A gamechanger
You're sleeping on the Dark Bracer. I finished a pitch black kill all bosses run last year and the Dark Bracer was an equalizer.
You shouldn't care too much about dodge. If you're playing in the most difficult way (Pitch Black, Bloodmoon), enemies will have such high accuracy that dodges are next to impossible.
I know I’m really late but a use for debuff stone could be for leper intimidate
Intimidate enjoyers rise up
Bro, the bloodthirst ring saved me so much money over time. It's not that bad imo
I hadn't considered it from a money saving angle, so that is a point in its favor.
Camo cloak is the same tier as Ancestor Cloak. You understaminate stacking dodge. They are both S tier end game trinkets.
I just don't understand why the warrior brace and the damage stone have the same -4 dodge, but the warrior only aply 10% to melee skills while the damage stone aply 10% to everything, I can't see why this makes sense
That is weird actually. Though this does let you put both on a melee hero if you wanted to.
@@ShuffleFM that sounds pog not even going to lie
The Bloodthirst Ring is trash on its own but decent if you have 4 of them. I often run 4 of them with one on each party member so I don't need to bring food and never fail hunger checks (unless a character has something like stress eater or tapeworm.) I only do this if I'm low on money and am going to farm gold. Otherwise yeah, the healing penalty is awful.
Nice list. The only one I disagree with is the book of Holiness which I would rank at least B and borderline A but certainly above "auto-sell" tier. I'm assuming this is a ranking based on you're just starting out and looking for stuff to equip while trying to get the really good trinkets rather than say how they are in the end game (which is obviously factored in for the really good trinkets). I feel that really good players don't get Deathblow checked in early basic missions and if you never have a deathblow check, deathblow reduction is not a downside. Now obviously it falls off very fast once you start doing harder missions like boss missions or the DLC but for just basic running around I think it's fine though I will give you that there are a lot of things that outclass it most notably the Book or Relaxation and countless rare trinkets. Now tbf I haven't played on the higher difficulty setting yet but even still I think getting deathblow checked is fairly unlikely in a standard mission.
Can't wait for the class trinkets.
Goal is sunday for that upload. We'll see how the next 2 days go
Great vid
I was wondering, is there a max acc, dodge, speed? Where once it reaches a certain number value it stops increasing? When you where talking about acc with the hero bracelet you mentioned getting your acc capped.
This is a weird mix of fascinating and boring me to sleep
"crit stone is sell tier" what about crusader? this item basically just gives a flat +3 crit, he's going last anyway
Very true!
Book of rage is pretty good on Flagellent
Don't suppose i can get a tip or two for the Miller seem so just get cleave critted a couple of times and then thats it for my team
Equip mildreds locket on someone if you find it. Shieldbreaker/highwayman/jester/vestal is a pretty safe team if you just want to beat miller. Puncture his guards, riposte his cleaves, try and burn him down so you don't take too much damage. Using expose for shieldbreaker to give jester a free finale can be good too
I'm new to the game, but watched way too many videos about darkest dungeon. So I'm wondering if you should always take a stress healer and try to get out of a dungeon with 0 stress . It worked for the green dungeons, but failed for the mid tier dungeon. was that just me being dumb/unlucky, or was it me wasting a character just stress healing?
You don't always have to take a dedicated stress healer. It gets harder to keep stress at 0 at higher level missions. As long as people are coming back alive you did fine. If you are getting afflicted in every dungeon it's time to examine your team building and how you strategize.
Thanks for the advice! I just wanted to make sure I was being too stingy with my cash, and I guess I am.
Wait a minute...
THERE ARE CHARMS EXCLUSIVE TO DIFFERENT AREAS???
doesn't torcheless yield more loot?
Idk bro, dark bracer is pretty gud paired with hell hairpin on hellion for dark runs
Yo thanks for the video man, loved it. I have a question, im having trouble to do some bosses in the game, nothing about their mechanic, but often I found myself without heroes to go there and clean it, and another problem with keeping my gold on a stable amount, maybe in playing too safe but I want some tips about it, thanks
Edit: The problem is with heroes level, I found myself with too many lvl 5-6 heroes and no good comps with the lvl 3-4 to do bosses, I dont know how I get there but almost everyone is at 5 without me killing half the bosses lvl 3+
I believe you can tackle a lvl 3 boss with a lvl 5 or 6 hero (if I remember correctly)
It's easy to outpace the boss appearance by leveling, so it's understandable. There's a rare town event that lets you bring high level heroes to low level missions but I don't recommend waiting for it. I'd say start booting people to level up new squads to clear weaker bosses. It isn't fun to do usually. Pick your weakest heroes and get rid of them, or wait until they get some bad quirks/diseases/stress that you don't want to pay for. It feels better to do this if you grab some strong units off the stage coach, so check their quirks weekly and get replacements.
As for gold, the bank helps if you have districts on from crimson court. If you don't, then you have to be more selective with stress healing activities, quirks, and buying upgrades. Sell trinkets you don't use as well for more money. It's okay if someone goes into a dungeon at 50 stress if you can heal it with jester or crusader for example. Diseases can be cured by camping with plague doctor and grave robber.
@@ShuffleFM Thanks for the tips, i've been enjoying your content for a while now, I love it, keep going
does scouting chance stack if i had 4 survival guides would it be 40%
Yes :)
@@ShuffleFM cool tyvm
Does the Speedstone still exist?
Yes
I know this is an old video at this point but I have one criticism: If you're only using three tiers, why not just go A/B/C/Sell? You keep calling some trinkets niche or mediocre, but then put them in "B" tier. Usually, B Tier means good but not great. It makes it very confusing to follow along to this when pretty much every trinket gets a B grade or better.
Late to the party, but I wanted to give my thoughts anyway:
I think you put too much of a premium on bleed/blight resist. Thinking strictly in terms of apprentice level (that's really the only time you'll use these baring extreme cases) most DOTs only have 1 or 2 damage a turn and other more damaging DOT enemies like the crab in the cove don't seem to spawn in apprentice and even if it does still worry you, it's a problem easily solved by extra bandages and antidotes
Anything about moving or move resist can safely go in the trash. Move resist, like mentioned in the video, doesn't work because other people can be moved and mess up the party anyway and it's not like there are many enemies that move you anyway. Move chance is also bad because it really doesn't help that much when you consider opportunity cost. The only enemies (again in apprentice) that I can think of this affecting are bone rabble, occultist brawler, the fish shaman, and the bone nobles. None of them really warrant moving over just stunning or killing though.
I also disagree about the premium of death blow resist, but it's understandable to not want to increase the chance of someone instantly dying. I just don't feel like caring about something that only matters a small amount of the time, especially knowing I could still just immediately die anyway.
Also you can use the debuff charm for man at arms bellow, but I know I'm the only person that uses bellow so hard to argue.
Great video keep up the good work
I value the dot resist because that is usually what gets someone killed. Getting hit or crit to deaths door with a bleed is a situation worth avoiding imo. The 1 point effects aren't as threatening, but 2x3 dots at level 0 or 1 are still pretty strong. You also save money by not taking extra consumables.
At the end of the day it's preference of course. Thanks for taking the time to comment :)
@@ShuffleFM
Agreed. DOT definitely takes up at LEAST 80% of death blows, but I do think it's funny how the massive -5 speed on deaths door usually makes them go last, except when they somehow roll a -3 and that's higher than your parties -12 they rolled which is very :). Extra supplies in the early game can also be quite the luxury with 150-200 easily making up 1/10 or 1/20 of your loot haul. Watching the second part right now and unsurprisingly agreeing a lot more since it gets very cut and dry what's the best of the best. Only thing I would've changed in that one was make all the "25% damage vs X" rings S since dungeons largely only have 1 enemy type (excluding roving cultists and bandits) so -8 dodge feels fine enough to have them, though if the idea is "take them anywhere" like I think you mention it was, then that's obviously a big yikes for those rings. Regardless good work on that video as well
Although I disagree with some of your item placing I still think that's a good video, so get a like and comment to help you with algorithm
Thanks!
Actually I ran my ruins tactician flagellant with Book of Rage +martyr's seal and on death's door + afflicted, he did leper damage and just deleted every skeleton I encountered. Definitely underrated tactic
I legit want to see this lol. I don't expect you to send me a vid so maybe I should try it.
@@ShuffleFM didn't record it sadly