God’s Judgment and Homosexuality

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  • Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
  • Light + Truth
    Episode: 164
    Speaker: John Piper
    Series: Our Gospel Need
    Scripture: Romans 1:24-28
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  • @BryanLovesChrist
    @BryanLovesChrist 9 місяців тому +84

    Romans 1 is the scripture I read a few months ago in my hospital bed when I was diagnosed with leukemia. I was "married" to another guy whom I thought I loved very much at the time. But I gave my life to Christ in that diagnosis, leaving my former partner behind, which was extremely difficult to do. God called me and I had to follow. God saved me!

    • @bennyebubeimo7052
      @bennyebubeimo7052 9 місяців тому +4

      Hello @ BryanLovesChrist, glory to God for such as wonderful testimony. I would like to contact you. Is it possible to connect on IG or other platforms. Thanks!

    • @hervejoshmubilanzila8240
      @hervejoshmubilanzila8240 9 місяців тому +8

      You have done a very hard thing, but the right thing. God's grace be with you in this journey. Praying for you

    • @BryanLovesChrist
      @BryanLovesChrist 9 місяців тому +1

      @@hervejoshmubilanzila8240 thank you so much for your prayers

    • @1jaai
      @1jaai 9 місяців тому +4

      That's deep bro God bless you !

    • @davidsollentuna1033
      @davidsollentuna1033 9 місяців тому +4

      God bless you!

  • @almerdoring9857
    @almerdoring9857 9 місяців тому +30

    I was sexually abused several times when I was too young and I have been fighthing with my homosexual feeling until now. But thanks be to God for renewing my heart and mind, for saving me from the pit of perdition. I just hope one day, that this unnatural desire will be gone and what left is my desire to honor and glorify Him. I no longer identify myself in the alphabet community but I now identify myself as the child of God. I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live now in the body, I lived by faith in the son of God who loved me and gave Himself for me - Galatians 2:20. In Christ, there is victory!

    • @ewarawa
      @ewarawa 9 місяців тому +1

      Praise God that you have been renewed. My encouragement would be to forgive those who abused you. Not to excuse them for what they did but to free yourself from the enemy's attack on your mind and heart. That person was deceived as well by the enemy and was likely abused themselves. We have all been deceived at one point and fallen short of the glory of God. We all need forgiveness, and prayer that God will set us free from the enemy, Satan. He comes to steal, kill and destroy, even your abuser, who then passed that on to you. Praise God that He set you free so that you did not in turn become an abuser yourself.
      Pray for your abuser that God will bring them to repentance and deliverance. We ALL need to be saved, forgiven and restored into a right relationship with our Heavenly Father. When we let go of our desire to 'hold them accountable', we release that burden into God's hands.
      May God bless you and keep you with His peace and wisdom.

    • @almerdoring9857
      @almerdoring9857 9 місяців тому +1

      @@ewarawa Amen and thanks. I forgave him already. Just as what Jesus said on the cross, "forgive them for they don't know what they are doing."

    • @directorclarkmonroe
      @directorclarkmonroe 3 місяці тому

      Same I have been violated at 3 years old for years and this has been my battle too and I renounce it, I want to be pure for God and I’m so done with this. There’s hope in Christ but sometimes I just want to die. Christ showed me that He already washed me clean from this sin so by faith I’m now walking in this newness of life in Christ. I don’t and I refuse to identify with homosexuality. I am a forgiven Holy Spirit filled Christian.

  • @phieble
    @phieble 9 місяців тому +16

    That section where Piper stated that everyone is wired to certain sins and it is manifested in reponse to genetics, hormones, and environmental factors is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL for our being compassionate toward others who sin in ways that we don't understand, may never personally relate to, and that particularly disgust us for whatever reason, especially since in society and even among many immature, biblically unenlightened Christians certain sins are much more looked down upon than others meanwhile ALL sin is abominable and damnable to God.
    I don't know if scientifically there can be any evidence found to support that sinful preferences are within our very genes because while our hearts are changed in the new birth our DNA and physical bodies are not, which would make it impossible for us to have any amount of victory over sin until we get our new bodies, but maybe. However, understanding the pervasiveness and domination of our inborn sin nature makes the reality of everyone's helpless slavery to sin and our desperate need for God's sovereign act of the new birth in response to our exposure to the Gospel major in our minds. Homosexuals are wired with their attractions just like heterosexuals are wired to prefer being promiscuous and / or adulterous and selifish, abusive etc, rather than engaging in sex only within marriage and with generosity at the forefront of their mind rather than indulgence for their own physical, emotional pleasure and both are wrong and beyond the ability of any individual's will-power to overcome because Satan, not God's natural design, is behind it which is why we all need to be set free from every sort of sin.
    The error we all make in one area or another is that of concluding that since we are naturally wired with preferences and desires that we may not have necessarily chosen and cannot change then we can't be considered sinful for the inward inclination and wiring itself and we can't fairly be held accountable for simply choosing to indulge in what we naturally love. We literally have to stop desiring and acting against our own elusive, unreachable hearts to worship God but we didn't make ourselves and we can't change our hearts without changing who we essentially are! This is what makes repentance and faith UTTERLY MIRACULOUS and HOPELESSLY FOOLISH to those to whom God has not yet granted new birth, repentance, and faith. How is anyone to choose to prefer God and reject sin when they have always naturally preferred the more tangible and pervasive lure of various sins but have never had a divine encounter and experienced the superior delight of the manifest love and presence of God, which he himself has chosen to withhold?! Our only hope is that what is impossible with man is possible with God, and the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation, saving, and by grace TRANSFORMING, everyone who is granted the faith to embrace Jesus as somehow irresistibly more precious than all they've ever known and couldn't freely stop desiring / loving previously in their life. WE MUST EVANGELIZE AND PRAY because our eternal souls are at stake and salvation is of God alone!

  • @directorclarkmonroe
    @directorclarkmonroe 3 місяці тому

    I have been violated at 3 years old for years and this has been my battle too and I renounce it, I want to be pure for God and I’m so done with this. There’s hope in Christ but sometimes I just want to die. Christ showed me that He already washed me clean from this sin so by faith I’m now walking in this newness of life in Christ. I don’t and I refuse to identify with homosexuality. I am a forgiven Holy Spirit filled Christian.

  • @Twisterbeast
    @Twisterbeast 9 місяців тому +7

    As a Christian who is same sex attracted, I do believe this to be truth, yet it is blurry where the Bible says Homosexual acts as in sex or even the feeling of love for someone who is the same sex, I would never be in a commited relationship with another woman, yet I deeply crave emotional connection and vulnerability which I do not have at church, with friends or family and it is my pain every day. I just wish someone who I deeply love, hugs me, takes my hand and supports me in diffult times. I am a very independent person, I do not need to be sourounded all the time, but from time to time, the craving for a partnership, is just too painful.

    • @sethmay8116
      @sethmay8116 9 місяців тому +3

      God bless you, Jesus sees and knows about your pain and He deeply, so deeply loves you, keep going🙏
      ‭‭Mark‬ ‭10:28‭-‬31‬ ‭NIV‬‬
      Then Peter spoke up, “We have left everything to follow you!” “Truly I tell you,” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age: homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields-along with persecutions-and in the age to come eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and the last first.”
      ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭16:13‬ ‭NIV‬‬
      She gave this name to the Lord who spoke to her: “You are the God who sees me,” for she said, “I have now seen the One who sees me.”

    • @sethmay8116
      @sethmay8116 9 місяців тому +3

      These verses help me in my own struggle with this, so I thought they might help you :)

    • @kylestaack38
      @kylestaack38 9 місяців тому +1

      If you were truly regenerated born again. That void in your heart would be filled with JESUS by His Spirit and love,joy,peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,patience and self control .
      (2cor 5:17)
      17Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.
      Amplified Bible
      Therefore if anyone is in Christ [that is, grafted in, joined to Him by faith in Him as Savior], he is a new creature [reborn and renewed by the Holy Spirit]; the old things [the previous moral and spiritual condition] have passed away. Behold, new things have come [because spiritual awakening brings a new life].

    • @kylestaack38
      @kylestaack38 9 місяців тому

      New desires to love what God loves and hate what God hates

    • @kylestaack38
      @kylestaack38 9 місяців тому

      Amen

  • @gummylens5465
    @gummylens5465 9 місяців тому +3

    The word Jesus uses in Matt. 15:19 for sexual immorality ("porneia") includes not just heterose*ual acts, but also all other forms of deviations from God's design condemned by the moral law in Leviticus.

  • @WoziduranJahemter
    @WoziduranJahemter 9 місяців тому +1

    Truth truthfully indeed to consider.

    • @HearGodsWord
      @HearGodsWord 9 місяців тому

      ​@elijahmarie77444Matthew doesn't say that

  • @naits7457
    @naits7457 9 місяців тому +2

    Honestly, if there's no sexual intercourse in heaven because earthly marriage is only an illustration of the spiritual beauty and non-erotic love of Jesus and other people in heaven, then what was the point in using erotic intimacy and beauty as the picture?
    Because even while we are on earth, we are capable of cultivating spiritual beauty and non-erotic love to give to others.
    We will not be naked in heaven because nakedness even in a sinless state is unrighteous, so why not use non-erotic love and spiritual beauty which is more like what will be in heaven?
    Our intimacy with other people in heaven will be brotherly and sisterly rather than husbandly and wifely, the men and women are not going to have romantic or erotic feelings for Jesus whether on earth or in heaven, and He is not going to have erotic feelings for the women of heaven either.
    If erotic love is an illustration of the love of Jesus, then shouldn't the love in heaven be even more erotic?
    Yet, it is only the non-erotic parts of marriage that will continue and become better.
    So why not just use the non-erotic parts of marriage, which you already are allowed to have outside of marriage with the same or opposite sex, as the illustration?

  • @maximuspayne7354
    @maximuspayne7354 9 місяців тому +3

    This subject is very controversial and the way Mr Piper explains how it is communicated to his audience is somewhat confusing. I'm wondering if he still believes in how he explained it here since he preached it back in 1998. For me, I take the meaning of scripture in it's whole entirety based on the words in those paragraphs and how the Bible portrays homosexuality and lesbianism. As we all know, God dealt harshly with it in condemning it in scripture and by destruction. But after Jesus came into the world to be the bridge back to salvation and a hope for everlasting life. All sinners, no matter who they were given the chance to convert to Christianity. God doesn't have to care how some people want to break down the differences of types of sin. A sin is a sin no matter how Mr. Piper tries to paint it for us. All sinners who search out the truth in the Bible and learn of our Father in Heaven and his Son Jesus Christ by the Holy spirit will have their eyes opened and their hearts and minds will be put to shame. Then and only then will they have the desire to do those things which must be done to start down that narrow path to follow Christ and share in the fruits of an everlasting life with our Father, Son and Holy spirit in the new earth and new Heaven.

  • @tinamariedunn8278
    @tinamariedunn8278 9 місяців тому +2

    Where are you reading the scriptures

    • @HearGodsWord
      @HearGodsWord 9 місяців тому

      ​@elijahmarie77444 Mathew doesn't say that.

  • @sukruoosten
    @sukruoosten 6 місяців тому

    HE made woman en man en said its good !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    no human laws ore feelings can change that en if so
    IN THE END we shall give account on that terrifying day JUDGEMENT DAY

  • @gummylens5465
    @gummylens5465 9 місяців тому +1

    Give your life to Jesus, and you will be shepherded.
    But Side B is heretical. It cannot save because it has a false doctrine of sin (that desires are not sinful).
    True repentance will give you lasting joy. Praying for you, strugglers. Pray for me too ✋️

  • @mtguitar5150
    @mtguitar5150 9 місяців тому +7

    I think unless youre personally fighting same sex attraction a believer should just forget about it and work on their own sin

  • @sukruoosten
    @sukruoosten 6 місяців тому

    i know countless christens who have gay like desires
    its wrong sin en forbidden !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in fact in old testament you pay with youre life
    but now mercy is been given BUT you must fight en win this evil desire/lust
    as hetero christens battle also with sin BUT this is a life stlye of sin !!!!!!!!!

  • @jasonklop476
    @jasonklop476 9 місяців тому

    I love hearing "christians" talk about them there ho-mo- sex-uals. Is always sad with so much hate and contempt.

  • @user-xq2bm3nq8y
    @user-xq2bm3nq8y 9 місяців тому +1

    I owe it to you all, as fellow believers, to more fully explain where I’m coming from. In 1973, I was 17 years old, and the Supreme Court unilaterally pronounced Roe v Wade the law of the land. Abortion was forced on all 50 states whether they wanted it or not.
    I was dumbfounded. I couldn’t get it out of my head that the most nascent, most innocent children could be killed without so much as an afterthought (although women, for the most part, do have afterthoughts, some debilitating). I tried to raise awareness among my friends. No one, it seemed, cared in the slightest. When I was a few years older, I started sidewalk counseling. I donated a van and a wood stove to a home for unwed moms. And I prayed. For 49 years I prayed. I saw politicians come and go who feigned being pro life but when push came to shove? Not so much.
    Then Donald Trump came along. I detested the man (and largely still do) but I held my nose and voted for him. I knew Hillary had nothing but love for Planned Parenthood, while PP spent millions to defeat Trump. Did they know something? Indeed they did. When Trump rolled back Obama’s funding of world abortions I could have done cartwheels. When he laid the groundwork for the overturn of Roe? I was amazed that God answered our prayers through such a gauche man, so unschooled in Washington protocols and niceties.
    To say I supported him in 2020 against the disaster that is Biden and Harris would be a huge understatement.
    I assumed that Piper would share my enthusiasm, if not for the man, certainly for his policies. He didn’t. He did everything in his power to dissuade his 2 million followers from voting for Trump. He called Trump supporters liars. He called them naive. He called them presumptuous. (Oh, and then said we could vote for whoever we wanted. How nice.) He made it sound that Trump was so horrible that he was the very cause for abortion! What did he think? Folks would go around humping like dogs because they were obligated to follow what Trump had done in younger years? And then abort the resultant child, because, well, Trump?
    Piper had been a prolife stalwart. He went to jail during one protest. Adopted a black child. He preached the most gut-wrenching, incentivizing prolife sermons I’d ever heard (I used to go to his church). I could not believe that Piper had become so woke he’d turn his back on the image bearers of God himself.
    Then many people started registering their disapproval. So did I. I naively figured Piper would see his grievous error and say he was sorry and everything would go back to normal.
    Piper has yet to apologize. Not to me, not to the church, and surely not to the babies that are now being aborted worldwide because of him.
    I started writing comments on every one of his social media outlets I could find. I thought, again naively, that I could catch his attention. No such luck. I begged him to meet with me (we only live 10 miles apart).
    I’m still doing it, and have made a vow to continue until he simply says, “I’m sorry.”

    • @melaniek.h.
      @melaniek.h. 9 місяців тому +5

      Only Jesus can help you getting out of your spinning thoughts. John Piper is NOT your enemy. Don't waste your weapons... Pray instead to God for insight. May God be gracious to you, i pray in Jesus' Name. Amen🙏🏽❤

    • @Gods_Blessings_For_You
      @Gods_Blessings_For_You 9 місяців тому +2

      Piper is wrong about a LOT of things, but he was right about Christians who supported Trump. There has been no greater harm done to the church and the gospel of Christ in the last decade than Christians with NO discernment supporting such an obvious fraud, liar, thief, bully and coward as Donald Trump. The support of Trump by so-called Christians has rendered it almost impossible for the gospel to reach unbelievers, at least in the US. We lost the moral high ground when most of "us" supported that shadow of the Anti-Christ.

    • @user-xq2bm3nq8y
      @user-xq2bm3nq8y 9 місяців тому

      @@melaniek.h. John Piper is not my enemy. He is the enemy of the unborn.

    • @melaniek.h.
      @melaniek.h. 9 місяців тому

      @@user-xq2bm3nq8y I know, that I know, that I know that our God is always in control. What are these "unwanted" babies are going to receive from their "parents" or our society? Love?

    • @HearGodsWord
      @HearGodsWord 9 місяців тому +1

      ​@@user-xq2bm3nq8y Trump is an unrepentant sinner, yet you worship him

  • @mr.c2485
    @mr.c2485 9 місяців тому

    An all powerful god could have made us asexual, as many species are, but I’m sure he needs a good moral reason to condemn his creation. WAD!
    And that’s just one example of his gods inadequacy as “perfect” creator. Many more…..

  • @ehm7651
    @ehm7651 9 місяців тому +1

    Asking people to battle love is a big thing and that's where this sermon fails to me.

    • @JoshuaLo2732
      @JoshuaLo2732 9 місяців тому +8

      There is a big difference between the true, eternal love from God and the lustful love of the world, which includes homosexuality . The true love is to love God , repent from our sins, and reborn as a child of God, not sticking to your old self.

    • @phieble
      @phieble 9 місяців тому +4

      The call to repentance for everyone is a call to battle love whether it's love for something God says they ought not love, love for something good but that's loved more than God, or love for something or someone too little when they should love it more. All of us have an innate inability to love properly and when it comes to loving God above all who we have not experienced and known sufficiently rather than loving things that are naturally more intetesting, tangible, and fulfilling it is impossible to turn away from them and worship God instead, especially when we are promised suffering and not immediate deliverance as a result.
      This is what makes repentance and faith a miraculous gift that has to be given to hearts that have been changed by the Holy Spirit in the new birth which happens to some when they hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For those yet to hear the Gospel and embrace Jesus, people who are saved must continue to pray and shine the light of Hesys through their lifestyle while sharing the truth in love so that God may save whom he wills which only he can do. (2 Timothy 2:24-26)

    • @overtime3ntity148
      @overtime3ntity148 9 місяців тому +1

      Lust is not love.

    • @ehm7651
      @ehm7651 9 місяців тому

      @@overtime3ntity148 how would you know it's not love?