Hi Sam, please don't get this confused with the Lima 92. Both Lima and Hornby released the 92 at the same time and when Hornby bought Lima their 92 was not re released, the Hornby version prevailed. The Lima version had a detail pack including brake pipes Horns and roof details. Also you had a choice of tension lock or a buffer beam skirt in the kit. It didn't have lights but it has 2 better pantographs. If you wish to do a video comparing the 2. I would be happy to loan you my Lima 92 for you to review and compare just get in touch with me.
Very interesting. I didn't know there were two separate models. I have one of each, and the Lima body is nicer but the Hornby underframe is more correct, though lacking sand pipes which are actually on the Lima model. As I write this, the Accurascale model is out, but there are reports of motor failures and unreliability, so what does one do? A re-wheeled and re-motored Lima seems a good choice to me.
Hey Sam. Ever thought of reviewing an Auscision Models product? They're an Australian company that make very detailed locomotives and I would recommend.
Very nice models had a few in my time ended up selling my L class and definitely big regrets there only issue is shipping on top of auscisions updated prices the t class is around $334aud the shipping would be quite expensive from here to England. Powerline and austrains are other good mentions along with Southern rail models.
A review I jumped on as soon as I saw it. The 92 is definitely my favourite electric and potentially my favourite loco full stop. Watching this brought home just how much the 00 world needs the Accurascale version, there is no way this loco should be represented in 00 by this toy! £100 was dubious until I saw the insides / mechanism, then it is awful! Back in 1995 when Lima did their normal trick of getting the model out almost before the real thing, it’s fine. Now it’s a car boot find with a slightly updated livery! That might sound harsh but I do love the real thing and all three of my N gauge versions are special. Great review as always though.
Oh awesome! And yes the Accurascale one is badly needed. 1995 was a different story - I'm sure this would've been awesome then... but now, you'd expect better unless you're a beginner or a kid ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
lol - IIRC Len Vass in Railway Modeller would try and create a model of a new locomotive as soon as people knew what it would look like. At the time I loved his class 60 he built out of plasticard. (slightly off topic)
Ah yes I remember Hornbys overhead pick up system. As time went on I think they moved away from that since there isn't really anything that can pick up overhead these days. I'm pretty sure earlier versions of this Class 92 in the main range (as well as a few other electric locos) would have had Metal Pantographs when that system was more popular, though the trainset versions only had plastic pantographs if I remember right. However it's still shocking they write that when they don't pay any mind to that system now when nothing they have in recent memory is designed for it. It does look surprisingly decent after all this time. Would be interesting to see what it looks like versus the Accurascale Class 92. I imagine the Accurascale Class 92 would be superior overall but still impressive. Though one old Hornby model that really does surprise me after all this time is their original HST 125 models . The newer HSTs are better in performance and looks but surprisingly the original HST still holds out rather well in looks; especially if someone opted to add more detail.
That's a good point - you hardly see that any more do you? Cool idea actually, pity that's not much of an option these days! It is shocking... I mean it's a piece of paper... how difficult would it have been to just write a set of instructions for this loco?! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I'm actually genuinely curious if Hornbys old 92 could get power overhead. Can't remember if it did or not. Hornby's old Class 90 definitely could get power overhead at one time. I think that was also true for the old 86 and the class 91 (Intercity 225); in the latter's case at least in the early days, doubt any re-releases of the old model in newer liveries would. Of course overtime Hornby has been known to modify tooling and features. Having looked at a recent video; one distinctive feature of this old system was a switch on top of the locos to change power modes.
Goodness me, I remember my dad buying a couple of these back in the 90s. He bought one from Beatties in Manchester, accidentally scraping his car in the car park afterwards. So this review has really taken me back! Nice to know I can get one 25 years later 😆
Really looking forward to a comparison video between this and the Accurascale Class 92 - also I'd really like to see you compare the new tooled Hornby HAA MGR coal hoppers with the newly released Accurascale ones - they are priced very similarly with the Hornby ones being the slightly more expensive so really interested to see how they stack up next to each other!! Thanks Sam 👍🏻
I have a number of these and a couple of Accurascale 92s on order. The "Limby" 92's are simple, robust and easy to repair if necessary. I bet the Accuascale locos will have a lot of fragile detail but will overall be of a higher decorative quality. If they have a good mechanism they will be great but the cost difference is simply huge. So a "Limby" 92 may be a good choice for those on a budget and/or for those who like to work on improving their locos. I agree its a Railroad model at heart though the directional lights take it a step above.
It’s worth mentioning that Accurascale are tooling up for a Class 92. In fact 92023 Ravell is available to preorder at Rails of Sheffield for £189. Whilst I appreciate that’s double the price of this Hornby release of Limas old tooling; it’s probably twice the locomotive too. If you can’t justify the Accurascale; buy the old Lima or Hornby re-release second hand. But to fork out £92 for this - poor value for money. I feel Hornby is guilty of ripping off the customer with less than premium money to spend with this locomotive. Thank you once again Sam, for spending the money so I don’t have to!!
Hi Sam, what an odd model! I recall seeing these around Clapham Jn in the 90s. Usually sneaking along under my train on a freight. As to your odd one out, has to be either the class 66 or the 73 which is of course diesel or electric :)
Thanks Mike - glad to hear you've had some first hand experience of the real thing! And well spotted - it was indeed the 66 :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great Video, A very fair review. I have this loco and runs relatively well in one direction after a week one end stopped working and so i'm left with a faulty loco.
I think that with the soon arrival of Accurascale's super detail class 92, the only way that Hornby can make this profitable is to try and compete with them or relegate it to the railroad range. I dont think that Hornby sould compete as it is clear that Accurascale have put alot of effort into there new model and it would be cruel to take that away from them. P.S. Great an useful vid :)
Yes, I can see what Hornby are up to... another Hattons Genesis situation yet again. "Let's pump out a pile of rubbish before the other manufacturer issues their state of thr art super detailed unit so we can profit on the moment." The dickheads at Hornby are just a bunch of profit driven douchebags. I'm sure the Accurascale units will embarrass Hornby yet again.
Yeah definitely - I expect we'll see this in the Railroad range or maybe just retired altogether once Accurascale release theirs! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
All I can say is Class 66 flashbacks 😅 I mean yes the there are lights which is a big bonus but good god the weight superglued and wire management looks like something I would improvise as a non professional modeler definitely not a "professional" manufacturer. Quite disappointed especially considering it's in the railway range. Also your sarcastic jokes made my day quite nice to watch when I was eating my noodles alongside. Although it's a pretty meh loco it's still a great review, Sam 👍
So pleased I have a Lima one. Interestingly, an SNCF one in grey and blue. I think the side grills are actually better executed. It has metal pantographs. Only draw back, it's got the Lima noise.
Hi Sam I've still got one from lima and there is not many difference the winder wipers are new and the electric rail detal is new but and a big BUT mine as more lights and buffer beam detail and metal pantograph
Looks like Hornby took the Class 90 instruction sheet and just changed the title and got it completely wrong with describing the loco as a diesel electric. The Class 90 has a working metal pantograph. This Class 92 should definitely should be in the Railroad range. Great video Sam 👍
I picked up one of these about a year and a half ago for about mid 70 odd pounds. I do remember being pretty happy with it then, despite the age of the tooling and even getting it out for the first time in quite a spell, while watching this review, still pretty happy with it (even though I was surprised by how light it is). It's not an amazing model by any stretch, but for less than £80 it's decent. I do have one of the Accurascale 92s on pre order, so it'll be interesting to see what differences there are between them. Cheers
The picture on the box is probably the prototype and hope for the future. I agree with you about the traction tires, but it's no Lima and although Lima did issue one, so did Hornby which wasn't as good and was $100 even back then, so the same price for the same exact model. Hornby is the UK's version of the US company Lionel and although I know both produced quality products in the past, neither one is a good purchase anymore because both have lost sight of their stated goal of delivering the best quality for the least money.
@Sam’sTrains After watching many videos on model locomotive reviews and tons of research, I think, as a hobbyist, what-if paint schemes should be present in Hornby model locomotive products. It brings a different feeling when it is painted in a different livery. I imagine the Hornby Class 92 will have an InterCity Swallow livery in the future.
Yeah sure - I don't mind the what ifs either - and Hornby have started doing it - some of their Hush Hush liveries are fictional, as are some of their Railroad locos' liveries! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great video! I'm so glad you did this review, I was close to buying this for £110 from a local shop, I'm glad I didn't now. Can you please do a review of the Hornby class 800s, such as the one in the LNER livery? For £500 I want to know I'm going to be getting good value for money 😬
As has already been said in the comments, this was never a Lima model, this one is Hornby through and through, however Lima did release their own 92. Would be good to compare the two though.
I have been considering a Hornby 92 for a long time now, but since the announcement & first painted samples of the Accurascale ones I can say for sure where my money is going to go instead! Also, the shade of blue used is totally wrong, compare it to a real life photo and it's way darker and has more of a slight green tinge to it.
haha I can't blame you there - I expect I'll try one of those too! You're not the first to say that about the blue either... could be right! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi sam I have the gbrf version this paid 60 euros which is around fifty pounds happy enough with it cheap and cheerful definitely not worth 100 pounds great review 👍
I picked one up in GBrf livery from Hattons for £59 and will look to add some more details. It should be a Railroad range item . I also have an Accurascale 92 on order. Cheers Kev
For £65 I think it's really good vslue for what it is. For £100 I also think it's ok TBH. Not amazing but certainly not a rip off either. I'd be happy with it at either price. Actually makes a change to see a new Hornby loco at an affordable price point that's acceptable. It looked to improve the crawl a bit too, give it more use maybe more. Add some weathering and could be a lot more convincing. Certainly passes the 2FT rule IMO. Good vid.
The odd one out is the Malcolm wrap Class 66 from your review you posted on September 29, 2021. I feel like this loco could've been a from a Hot Wheels train set I used to play with as a kid. Still liked the loco though.
I have the Hornby class 33. Which is a modernized Lima engine like the class92. It looks like it has the same motor which is truly dreadful. No slow running and when you slow it down it just comes to a grinding immediate stop. Sometimes so sharply that it derails the motor bogie. The original Lima version that I also have I hate to say runs far better than the newer Hornby version.
Thank you for sharing, think I will wait for the Accurascale 92. Cannot understand how Hornby can produce the class 50 and 60 (no traction tyres, all wheel drive) yet still continuing to market and sell locos like this. This should be Railroad along with the 66 at best
I bought the Lima version of this back in 1996 and thought it was the Bees knees. It’s still not a bad model if you can get it at such a low price. £100 is pushing it though. I’d also point out that it’s the wrong shade of blue. The real thing is quite a bit darker
He got it for £60 odd which is more reasonable but its both underwhelming and not really a fit in the railroad category, which was the point. I agree on the colour, it doesn't seem right, not only is it not gloss but they've used some kind of speckle or bad spray job so it isn't smooth enough to gloss off. As a miniature painter I really struggle to see how you guys can accept pre painted locos- and wished some came bare (if they do, let me know!) - or preferably disassembled too. 90% the fun for me is assembly and painting, a few transfers and you could sell the same loco and the end user could chose whichever decals they wanted. So in my situation I can buy a terribly modelled train, and paint it but with the poor detailing, OR I can get a very expensive one where everything is done for me to a reasonable standard, often with features hard to put in by hand, like thin long straight lines etc that would be a shame to destroy. If they sold me a kit box with the detail of the expensive at the price of the cheap, I'd be right in there. magnetise, put in full lighting, fully decorated, weathered, lovely.
@@SamsTrains I think that's because most of us can see that Gladstone is actually pretty good. I think it would be a more fair comparison if you gave Gladstone a lower value for money, counting the time spent as a cost rather than a benefit, but even without the leg up from that, Gladstone really is on par with the low end of professional models, and any professional models that can even be fairly compared to someone's third (or was it fourth?) attempt at a homemade model are shamefully bad unless they are incredibly cheap.
It's not ex-lima, it's Hornby's own model updated. Because both Lima and Hornby made the 92s (they also both announced the 90s, but lima's never appeared). I have the margate 3-pole ringfield 92 in triple grey on my layout, it runs ok but of course it is noisy and the pickups are relatively poor and there are no tail lights and the light bleed from the forward lights acts as a cab light too. I don't think the lima ones had lights at all, but I could be wrong (the lima 67s had them, after all) because I don't have one yet (I'd love an EWS one). I've got accurascale's 92010 on order, although none of the mk5 packs to go with it (one pack of mk5as was enough for my wallet). That instruction booklet is a mess. 92s are dual voltage 25kV AC overhead and 750V DC 3rd rail, but not diesel electric, and most certainly not a Bo-Bo class 90 as per the diagrams inside the booklet. Not surprised about its performance at all. We shouldn't have to say "at least it isn't more expensive than it is".
This is definitely less of a model and more of a toy, but the price is more inline with what it is, which is a refreshing change for a Hornby release. Not a bargain, but about average price for what it is :). A shame Hornby did not include proper operating pantographs with this model, but I guess it couldn't be too good :) The gauging seems normal for Hornby Railroad, at least the earlier ones I have dealt with. Hornby seems to slightly undergauge them at the 14 to 14.2mm......... Thanks for another great review
I saw one of these in person a few months ago in this livery and from what I remember, the colour of the livery is inaccurate. I remember it being a much darker blue
Ahh interesting - yes it does look much darker blue in some photos, but not others I suppose if you saw it in person, you're in the best position to judge it! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Do not Scale is correct. I'm an engineering draughtsman by trade. The drawing image is to a scale on the box (i.e a true representation), we just don't know what scale. Because the image is small, it's not considered good engineering practice to place a rule across a feature, then using the few outline dimensions present as a scaling factor, work out the accurate size of said undimensioned feature. The method is ok though for a good estimate of actual size.
Looking at the box picture it seems like they drew/painted half the engine then just flipped it over to make one complete picture. A cheap and much quicker way to make a drawing of the engine.
I am typing this before I have seen your full review. I have to say they are a good buy at that price. I would recommend detailing one end and it really raises it. Yeah they are light but for that price and you can get others for that price they are ok. You have to bear in mind that the next step up is £100 more for most other diesels.
Sam I have a Bachman hall class hogwarts express and the hole thing is made out of metal and the tender as well and you can get one from the Bradford exchange
If this model had no lights it would be a carbon copy of Hornby's class 66,a railroad loco in a railways box. Not bad for the price you paid. I purchased a Lima class 92 sometime ago and enjoyed fitting the roof parts which came in a large pack of extras. The pantographs are much more realistic and are made of metal.
Harsh but honest,I received three Hornby engines of late and had to do cosmetic repairs on all three have yet to run them in but still happy with my purchases. Rule #1 I like the look of them.
Thanks for sharing Charles - yes that's very common sadly - at least you were able to sort them out though, and glad you're happy with them! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Not a bad loco for the money, it's a real shame that Hornby got the colour completely wrong, though, but that's a reoccurring issue with them of late. Have you seen the latest Clans? Not sure what green it is, but it's not BR dark loco green that's for sure!
No single ended drive Electric locos for me. Thanks for buying Sam so I don't have to. Did you actually check the flange depth as they actually look like Lima Wheels which had deeper flanges?
Thanks Sam for reviewing an electric locomotive for a change. Please review more. Meanwhile, perhaps this unit could be improved somewhat if some weights were added.
Thanks Marv! Yeah sure, a little extra weight would be good, but that would add even more strain on the 2 driven axles/rubber tyres... probably would be fine though, at least for a time! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
You mentioned about dcc running may differ. I have an idea, as an improvement and since you have the tech there as an additional segment add a decoder and test. It would be nice to see a comparison. Any thoughts on making a more permanent layout thats not on carpet?
i seen the class 92 video by intercity82 from around 2009 and it has the overhead but it been discontinued by that point so i think why it was included was due to it being in the 1995 drawing for it
Very good review. You give praise where it is due and criticism where appropriate. Glad to see you review a less expensive loco. I do enjoy your reviews. Thanks.
Great review as always Sam,for the price you got it's ok.I think its got the same sort of motor set as my Hornby class 66.I don't understand why Hornby have made it so hard to get at the motor to service it?
haha very much so - besides the mechanical upgrades (which still don't bring it to modern standards) - it seems to be the same model as ever, with modern livery application! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Following your review I bought a fairly recent but secondhand Class 92 on Ebay for £30 plus postage. The main issue is that its slow speed running (up to about half speed) is rather poor in one direction. It seems to hesitate once every revolution of something (probably not the motor but I am not sure). I am half-tempted to try to look at the gear wheels but that would involve trying not to break the vertical, sprung plastic V clip ( I assume one just squeezes it together but so far I have not succedded) and then going against your advice to open up partially the motor. Perhaps I will just enjoy its running at a 50% cruising speed?
Good and fair review, I agree a sloppy end product with clearly incorrect evaluation of its place in their product lines, incorrect packaging ( Hornby Railways Box), cover images, incorrect instructions etc, and definitely should be in Railroad range. However, any suggested comparison with the upcoming Accurascale model is like comparing chalk and cheese, on expected release the DCC ready version will be £189.99, only those with pre-orders will get the 'early bird' pre-Jan 2022 price. So on the current RRP that makes it almost 3 times what you paid and nearly double what Hornby's RRP for what is a Railroad (a basic model), and aside from the 'wrong' product category Hornby aren't trying to hide the fact it's an old model because as you pointed out its on the box. I am not a Hornby apologist, their price rises in comparison to others seems indefensible, but your great review of the recent 'upgrade' to the A1, even though not perfect, proves they are still capable of producing good models albeit not a new tooling. By the by, Auscision are great models, their HO scale models are sublime and prices competitive, their new 2022 release of a CLR Class diesel loco with DCC Loksound fitted, on pre-order, is $395 (GBP225). ...Drew
Thanks a lot Drew, yeah i agree. Yes of course the Accurascale 92 will be a completely different beast - but £189.99 is the price... they're still available to pre-order for that right now, and I've seen nothing to suggest they're increasing the price... so we're only talking around +£80-£90 on the Hornby... which I think sounds well worth it! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hey Sam, another example of a railways model that should be railroad. I think the issue with some of these is that when the system was introduced these were still considered ok. I think this loco is fair for £80. If I was a younger modeller I’d be happy with this and there is probably still a market for it. My primary grip with this loco is the shade of blue. It’s not far from BR blue. If you look at the real thing (or accurascale) you’ll realise how appalling Hornby’s attempt is. Not that anyone will but you simply can’t run this with accurascale mark 5’s. Suffice to say I am very much looking forward to my accurascale 92 in sleeper teal with its motorised pantographs. The instructions look like they were made for the old class 90.
Was that a class 86 bo bo in an intercity livery, i have one in a br blue livery called pheonex and its the first and only diesel i have but it runs terribly i bought it second hand and have not been able to get it to work properly do have any tips on how to treat it. Btw love your videos sam.
Sam,why don't you jack your whole track up to sit/stand level,add some scenery etc. It would make the experience much better. Luv your channel. Greets from NL.
Decent review there Sam I think this is your first review of an AC electric from the UK, I personally have an accurascale one on pre order at the moment and while it has features on it that I won’t be able to use due to still being a dc user i can personally live without those for now and im sure one day I will try dcc.
Hi Sam. Just to play devil's advocate: the instructions did say "some locomotives have working pantographs..."; we also know that instructions sheets do refer to more than one model.
Hey Sam so I’ve noticed in your more recent videos you often criticize paint. As I’m sure you know applying things like varnish and or certain types of clear coat can effect the glossyness of the paint greatly. With that as a manufacturer I’d be asking what would you rather a code matching paint job or an adjusted color for the improved finish?
I'm fairly sure the reason it isn't a Railroad model is because all the Railroad models have a Railways range counterpart whereas the 92 (and also the 66) don't. Still, it would suit the Railroad range much better.
Yeah, the Hornby Class 92 would be best suited for their Railroad range as it's starting to show with the dated tooling on the shell and the mechanism underneath. If you have the time and budget it would be nice to see a review of the Accurascale version of the Class 92.
Hey Sam can you do a really long train with ALL of your coaches and wagons and right at the front can you have your most expensive trains. Plz tell me what trains to get for my first ones because I'm just starting to build a Hornby/Bachmann railway, thnx
Those square looking wheel flanges look similar to the ones on a Hornby class 73, and they wont run smoothly on code 75 track - Warning! Do you know how to re-wheel this or the class 73? Regards Andrew
Still running old Lima locos out of choice but Hornby still selling them as new!? Having working for companies with large product catalogues, I know that vague instruction sheets, cheap finishes will not be an accident. Someone will have pointed out in meetings the issues and been over-ruled.
I don't know what Hornby/Humbrol/Airfix group is up to but they're raising prices ridiculously over their entire range. Airfix's avro vulcan saw a 20% price hike from announcement to now (£60 to £72.50)
Yes it's a pity - all owned by Hornby of course, so you can expect any price increases to be consistent across all their brands :( Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam If you review a bachmann 4mt 2-6-0 here are some hints for you No B on the wheels No Fly W 3 pole And No tender I Hope you understand that Cheers Laura & Felix
hi sam... i guess the pantograph are mechanically operated .. by hand!!! even bachmanns class 90 is miles ahead and there is no comparison to accurscale class 92. however a good model for a kids first model. just cant wait for my accurascale 92 to arrive.. oh and yes would love to see you do some reviews of accurascale models.
Is it just me or are modellrailways from around DE/AT/CH much better than the ones in UK? Because in most reviews I watch from you I see something that is missing, that I take for granted on models here Like a close coupler and the guide for it, decent lights etc
Sam, have you ever thought of reviewing a Hornby Dublo train set? No particular one but it would be cool to see you review an old train set Keep up the good work Best regard, Calen
I have a question regarding prices. Are british manufacturers' product genuinely more expensive than those on the continent? I bought a Piko Expert Co' Co' diesel recently and for 20 pounds more than this Hornby loco it has way more features and details...
That shade of blue looks far too light. It looks like a sort of slightly darker shade of LNER garter blue if anything; the Caledonian Sleeper blue is much darker. Perhaps Hornby were confused by the mention of 'Caledonian' and pulled up a picture of Caley no 419, which is a rather similar shade
The first thing ive immediately noticed is that the shade of blue on the models livery just seems way too bright and saturated compared to its real counterpart
@@SamsTrains You won't be disappointed Sam. The DJM one is probably better detailed, but the Hornby one runs so much better. You can buy either for quite a discount too if you look around.
Hi Sam. The class 92 was produced around the same time by both Lima and Hornby. The Hornby 92 was the first model produced in Chine. The Hornby model has less fidelity than the Lima tooling and it made look more toy like. The pantograph on the Lima version was much finer than this Hornby tooling.
Also, the Lima tooling was not fitted with lighting but the Hornby tooling was from the start. The NEM coupling and DCC socket are an enhancement and I suspect the motor is different from the original used when it first came out. This model is not fit for overhead pick up. Hornby are currently providing ridiculous instructions. This video shows instruction for an electric class 90 with the description 'diesel'. Recent class 60 purchases currently have a combination of class 60 and 31 instruction. Notably the body of a 31 is screw fitted as shown in the instructions but the class 60 body is a clip fit. What's more the front cowl detail is no longer provided and I suspect the change in instructions is a sneaky way of omitting this item. To confirm this is not the ex Lima model but the more inferior Hornby tooling
For a railways model I would expect more. Here in the States...misrepresenting a product with an inaccurate image of a product inside is unlawful. No one will sue the company over an $80 loco. However you mentioned that you could not find any other loco like this for sale at the 64£ you paid for it. For me that means the $80 version doesnt exist....and it would come in here at around $125. And that is all over the lack of a powered set of wheels. The moulded bits I can deal with. Lights are cool. Since the loco is DCC ready I expect they are controllable. Which begs the question why a light channel to the cab wasn't added giving that they skipped the powered bogey. There is a lot of detail on the roof...however the only positive there are the insulators. The rest while alot being there...looks like something I would see at a $1 Store plastic wind up set. All in all I think you were too generous with your marks. If I paid anything more than $60 US...I would feel duped by the sale.
Actually, its illegal in the UK, and you don't need to sue. You simply submit it to the advertising standards authority and they would take action. Hornby would be fined. If anyone bothers to do that, they probably won't.
Great review again, Sam, looks like Hornby just used/half-edited the Class 90 leaflet... The Class 90 has a switch on the roof to use catenary power (not recommended for DCC though). And it is not diesel either. Agree, the Lima, ahem, Hornby Class 92 is not great, but ok with lights and DCC socket for the price you paid. Very interested to see what Accurascale comes up with...
The odd one out is the class 66
Very well spotted! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains great vid btw
@@someonewholikescars3733 Darn you beat me, ill get it one of these days!
@@YourAverageRailwayFan I agree you get there to type it and somebody's beaten you to it :(
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Hi Sam, please don't get this confused with the Lima 92. Both Lima and Hornby released the 92 at the same time and when Hornby bought Lima their 92 was not re released, the Hornby version prevailed. The Lima version had a detail pack including brake pipes Horns and roof details. Also you had a choice of tension lock or a buffer beam skirt in the kit. It didn't have lights but it has 2 better pantographs. If you wish to do a video comparing the 2. I would be happy to loan you my Lima 92 for you to review and compare just get in touch with me.
Very interesting. I didn't know there were two separate models. I have one of each, and the Lima body is nicer but the Hornby underframe is more correct, though lacking sand pipes which are actually on the Lima model. As I write this, the Accurascale model is out, but there are reports of motor failures and unreliability, so what does one do? A re-wheeled and re-motored Lima seems a good choice to me.
@R S yes the Lima one has a lot going for it. Remotored would be even better
Hey Sam. Ever thought of reviewing an Auscision Models product? They're an Australian company that make very detailed locomotives and I would recommend.
I have heard of them - sure, I can try something of theirs some time! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I can lead u one if u want ?
Agreed. They make beautiful models.😎
Very nice models had a few in my time ended up selling my L class and definitely big regrets there only issue is shipping on top of auscisions updated prices the t class is around $334aud the shipping would be quite expensive from here to England. Powerline and austrains are other good mentions along with Southern rail models.
NSW GR version diesel 44 or traditional 48 class please
A review I jumped on as soon as I saw it. The 92 is definitely my favourite electric and potentially my favourite loco full stop.
Watching this brought home just how much the 00 world needs the Accurascale version, there is no way this loco should be represented in 00 by this toy!
£100 was dubious until I saw the insides / mechanism, then it is awful!
Back in 1995 when Lima did their normal trick of getting the model out almost before the real thing, it’s fine.
Now it’s a car boot find with a slightly updated livery!
That might sound harsh but I do love the real thing and all three of my N gauge versions are special.
Great review as always though.
Oh awesome! And yes the Accurascale one is badly needed. 1995 was a different story - I'm sure this would've been awesome then... but now, you'd expect better unless you're a beginner or a kid ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
lol - IIRC Len Vass in Railway Modeller would try and create a model of a new locomotive as soon as people knew what it would look like. At the time I loved his class 60 he built out of plasticard. (slightly off topic)
Ah yes I remember Hornbys overhead pick up system. As time went on I think they moved away from that since there isn't really anything that can pick up overhead these days. I'm pretty sure earlier versions of this Class 92 in the main range (as well as a few other electric locos) would have had Metal Pantographs when that system was more popular, though the trainset versions only had plastic pantographs if I remember right. However it's still shocking they write that when they don't pay any mind to that system now when nothing they have in recent memory is designed for it. It does look surprisingly decent after all this time. Would be interesting to see what it looks like versus the Accurascale Class 92. I imagine the Accurascale Class 92 would be superior overall but still impressive. Though one old Hornby model that really does surprise me after all this time is their original HST 125 models . The newer HSTs are better in performance and looks but surprisingly the original HST still holds out rather well in looks; especially if someone opted to add more detail.
That's a good point - you hardly see that any more do you? Cool idea actually, pity that's not much of an option these days! It is shocking... I mean it's a piece of paper... how difficult would it have been to just write a set of instructions for this loco?!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I'm actually genuinely curious if Hornbys old 92 could get power overhead. Can't remember if it did or not. Hornby's old Class 90 definitely could get power overhead at one time. I think that was also true for the old 86 and the class 91 (Intercity 225); in the latter's case at least in the early days, doubt any re-releases of the old model in newer liveries would. Of course overtime Hornby has been known to modify tooling and features. Having looked at a recent video; one distinctive feature of this old system was a switch on top of the locos to change power modes.
Goodness me, I remember my dad buying a couple of these back in the 90s. He bought one from Beatties in Manchester, accidentally scraping his car in the car park afterwards. So this review has really taken me back! Nice to know I can get one 25 years later 😆
Really looking forward to a comparison video between this and the Accurascale Class 92 - also I'd really like to see you compare the new tooled Hornby HAA MGR coal hoppers with the newly released Accurascale ones - they are priced very similarly with the Hornby ones being the slightly more expensive so really interested to see how they stack up next to each other!! Thanks Sam 👍🏻
I have a number of these and a couple of Accurascale 92s on order. The "Limby" 92's are simple, robust and easy to repair if necessary. I bet the Accuascale locos will have a lot of fragile detail but will overall be of a higher decorative quality. If they have a good mechanism they will be great but the cost difference is simply huge. So a "Limby" 92 may be a good choice for those on a budget and/or for those who like to work on improving their locos. I agree its a Railroad model at heart though the directional lights take it a step above.
It’s worth mentioning that Accurascale are tooling up for a Class 92. In fact 92023 Ravell is available to preorder at Rails of Sheffield for £189. Whilst I appreciate that’s double the price of this Hornby release of Limas old tooling; it’s probably twice the locomotive too. If you can’t justify the Accurascale; buy the old Lima or Hornby re-release second hand. But to fork out £92 for this - poor value for money. I feel Hornby is guilty of ripping off the customer with less than premium money to spend with this locomotive. Thank you once again Sam, for spending the money so I don’t have to!!
Hi Sam, what an odd model! I recall seeing these around Clapham Jn in the 90s. Usually sneaking along under my train on a freight. As to your odd one out, has to be either the class 66 or the 73 which is of course diesel or electric :)
Thanks Mike - glad to hear you've had some first hand experience of the real thing! And well spotted - it was indeed the 66 :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great Video, A very fair review. I have this loco and runs relatively well in one direction after a week one end stopped working and so i'm left with a faulty loco.
Thank you! Ahh that's a pity - did you buy it new? If so, you're entitled to return it for a full refund/replacement!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I think that with the soon arrival of Accurascale's super detail class 92, the only way that Hornby can make this profitable is to try and compete with them or relegate it to the railroad range. I dont think that Hornby sould compete as it is clear that Accurascale have put alot of effort into there new model and it would be cruel to take that away from them. P.S. Great an useful vid :)
Yes, I can see what Hornby are up to... another Hattons Genesis situation yet again. "Let's pump out a pile of rubbish before the other manufacturer issues their state of thr art super detailed unit so we can profit on the moment." The dickheads at Hornby are just a bunch of profit driven douchebags. I'm sure the Accurascale units will embarrass Hornby yet again.
Yeah definitely - I expect we'll see this in the Railroad range or maybe just retired altogether once Accurascale release theirs!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
All I can say is Class 66 flashbacks 😅 I mean yes the there are lights which is a big bonus but good god the weight superglued and wire management looks like something I would improvise as a non professional modeler definitely not a "professional" manufacturer. Quite disappointed especially considering it's in the railway range. Also your sarcastic jokes made my day quite nice to watch when I was eating my noodles alongside. Although it's a pretty meh loco it's still a great review, Sam 👍
So pleased I have a Lima one. Interestingly, an SNCF one in grey and blue. I think the side grills are actually better executed. It has metal pantographs. Only draw back, it's got the Lima noise.
Your better off with the Lima model until the Accurascale version comes along. Keep the Lima pancake motor oiled and it will sound less noisy
Yeah I've heard the Lima one was slightly better too - they certainly were better than Hornby in their day!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam I've still got one from lima and there is not many difference the winder wipers are new and the electric rail detal is new but and a big BUT mine as more lights and buffer beam detail and metal pantograph
Looks like Hornby took the Class 90 instruction sheet and just changed the title and got it completely wrong with describing the loco as a diesel electric. The Class 90 has a working metal pantograph. This Class 92 should definitely should be in the Railroad range. Great video Sam 👍
I picked up one of these about a year and a half ago for about mid 70 odd pounds. I do remember being pretty happy with it then, despite the age of the tooling and even getting it out for the first time in quite a spell, while watching this review, still pretty happy with it (even though I was surprised by how light it is).
It's not an amazing model by any stretch, but for less than £80 it's decent.
I do have one of the Accurascale 92s on pre order, so it'll be interesting to see what differences there are between them.
Cheers
The picture on the box is probably the prototype and hope for the future. I agree with you about the traction tires, but it's no Lima and although Lima did issue one, so did Hornby which wasn't as good and was $100 even back then, so the same price for the same exact model. Hornby is the UK's version of the US company Lionel and although I know both produced quality products in the past, neither one is a good purchase anymore because both have lost sight of their stated goal of delivering the best quality for the least money.
Next thing you know they'll be going back to putting motors back into the tenders of steam locos
@Sam’sTrains After watching many videos on model locomotive reviews and tons of research, I think, as a hobbyist, what-if paint schemes should be present in Hornby model locomotive products. It brings a different feeling when it is painted in a different livery. I imagine the Hornby Class 92 will have an InterCity Swallow livery in the future.
Yeah sure - I don't mind the what ifs either - and Hornby have started doing it - some of their Hush Hush liveries are fictional, as are some of their Railroad locos' liveries! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great video! I'm so glad you did this review, I was close to buying this for £110 from a local shop, I'm glad I didn't now. Can you please do a review of the Hornby class 800s, such as the one in the LNER livery? For £500 I want to know I'm going to be getting good value for money 😬
EuviRail has done one, go give it a watch 👍
As has already been said in the comments, this was never a Lima model, this one is Hornby through and through, however Lima did release their own 92. Would be good to compare the two though.
I have been considering a Hornby 92 for a long time now, but since the announcement & first painted samples of the Accurascale ones I can say for sure where my money is going to go instead!
Also, the shade of blue used is totally wrong, compare it to a real life photo and it's way darker and has more of a slight green tinge to it.
haha I can't blame you there - I expect I'll try one of those too! You're not the first to say that about the blue either... could be right!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi sam I have the gbrf version this paid 60 euros which is around fifty pounds happy enough with it cheap and cheerful definitely not worth 100 pounds great review 👍
I would agree that this is really a Rail Road locomotive.
I picked one up in GBrf livery from Hattons for £59 and will look to add some more details. It should be a Railroad range item . I also have an Accurascale 92 on order.
Cheers Kev
For £65 I think it's really good vslue for what it is. For £100 I also think it's ok TBH. Not amazing but certainly not a rip off either.
I'd be happy with it at either price. Actually makes a change to see a new Hornby loco at an affordable price point that's acceptable. It looked to improve the crawl a bit too, give it more use maybe more. Add some weathering and could be a lot more convincing. Certainly passes the 2FT rule IMO.
Good vid.
Yeah that's true - value for money not really a problem with this one - happy for what I paid!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The odd one out is the Malcolm wrap Class 66 from your review you posted on September 29, 2021. I feel like this loco could've been a from a Hot Wheels train set I used to play with as a kid. Still liked the loco though.
I had the DB Schenker livery version of this which was a decent model but I recently sold it as I’m planning to get the new Accurascale version.
Ahh fantastic - probably a wise upgrade - fingers crossed it's good! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Oh it should be. I saw the painted samples at the London Festival of Railway Modelling and they looked amazing!
Hi Sam, it appears on the overhead pantograph instructions, it features a BR class 90 which explains why it’s a Bo-Bo locomotive shown
Thanks for this - that makes sense! Lazy so and sos ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I have the Hornby class 33. Which is a modernized Lima engine like the class92. It looks like it has the same motor which is truly dreadful. No slow running and when you slow it down it just comes to a grinding immediate stop. Sometimes so sharply that it derails the motor bogie. The original Lima version that I also have I hate to say runs far better than the newer Hornby version.
Thank you for sharing, think I will wait for the Accurascale 92.
Cannot understand how Hornby can produce the class 50 and 60 (no traction tyres, all wheel drive) yet still continuing to market and sell locos like this. This should be Railroad along with the 66 at best
I bought the Lima version of this back in 1996 and thought it was the Bees knees. It’s still not a bad model if you can get it at such a low price. £100 is pushing it though. I’d also point out that it’s the wrong shade of blue. The real thing is quite a bit darker
He got it for £60 odd which is more reasonable but its both underwhelming and not really a fit in the railroad category, which was the point. I agree on the colour, it doesn't seem right, not only is it not gloss but they've used some kind of speckle or bad spray job so it isn't smooth enough to gloss off.
As a miniature painter I really struggle to see how you guys can accept pre painted locos- and wished some came bare (if they do, let me know!) - or preferably disassembled too. 90% the fun for me is assembly and painting, a few transfers and you could sell the same loco and the end user could chose whichever decals they wanted.
So in my situation I can buy a terribly modelled train, and paint it but with the poor detailing, OR I can get a very expensive one where everything is done for me to a reasonable standard, often with features hard to put in by hand, like thin long straight lines etc that would be a shame to destroy.
If they sold me a kit box with the detail of the expensive at the price of the cheap, I'd be right in there. magnetise, put in full lighting, fully decorated, weathered, lovely.
Good evening Sam's train even as I thought for the reviewed is the class 066 literally you had anything the models railway good job buddy!!
I love having your Gladstone in the rankings, it lets us laugh at outdated or badly designed locos that manage to score worse than it.
haha I know! It's like a sly little insult isn't it? Surprised I haven't received more flak for that actually ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I think that's because most of us can see that Gladstone is actually pretty good. I think it would be a more fair comparison if you gave Gladstone a lower value for money, counting the time spent as a cost rather than a benefit, but even without the leg up from that, Gladstone really is on par with the low end of professional models, and any professional models that can even be fairly compared to someone's third (or was it fourth?) attempt at a homemade model are shamefully bad unless they are incredibly cheap.
It's not ex-lima, it's Hornby's own model updated. Because both Lima and Hornby made the 92s (they also both announced the 90s, but lima's never appeared).
I have the margate 3-pole ringfield 92 in triple grey on my layout, it runs ok but of course it is noisy and the pickups are relatively poor and there are no tail lights and the light bleed from the forward lights acts as a cab light too. I don't think the lima ones had lights at all, but I could be wrong (the lima 67s had them, after all) because I don't have one yet (I'd love an EWS one).
I've got accurascale's 92010 on order, although none of the mk5 packs to go with it (one pack of mk5as was enough for my wallet).
That instruction booklet is a mess. 92s are dual voltage 25kV AC overhead and 750V DC 3rd rail, but not diesel electric, and most certainly not a Bo-Bo class 90 as per the diagrams inside the booklet. Not surprised about its performance at all.
We shouldn't have to say "at least it isn't more expensive than it is".
This is definitely less of a model and more of a toy, but the price is more inline with what it is, which is a refreshing change for a Hornby release. Not a bargain, but about average price for what it is :). A shame Hornby did not include proper operating pantographs with this model, but I guess it couldn't be too good :)
The gauging seems normal for Hornby Railroad, at least the earlier ones I have dealt with. Hornby seems to slightly undergauge them at the 14 to 14.2mm.........
Thanks for another great review
Nice review thanks.
I have this loco and for the money im more than happy with it.
I saw one of these in person a few months ago in this livery and from what I remember, the colour of the livery is inaccurate. I remember it being a much darker blue
Ahh interesting - yes it does look much darker blue in some photos, but not others I suppose if you saw it in person, you're in the best position to judge it!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I was just gonna say, that blue looks WAY too light, pretty sure it should be darker and with a bit more a greeny hue...
Have you ever tried the class 87 from Hornby? I think that one is quite good.
Definitely Railroad for me, and did you notice on the back (right lower) it says "Do not scale"? Surely this should be "Not to scale".
Do not Scale is correct. I'm an engineering draughtsman by trade. The drawing image is to a scale on the box (i.e a true representation), we just don't know what scale. Because the image is small, it's not considered good engineering practice to place a rule across a feature, then using the few outline dimensions present as a scaling factor, work out the accurate size of said undimensioned feature. The method is ok though for a good estimate of actual size.
Looking at the box picture it seems like they drew/painted half the engine then just flipped it over to make one complete picture. A cheap and much quicker way to make a drawing of the engine.
I am typing this before I have seen your full review. I have to say they are a good buy at that price. I would recommend detailing one end and it really raises it. Yeah they are light but for that price and you can get others for that price they are ok. You have to bear in mind that the next step up is £100 more for most other diesels.
Yeah I think so too - for what I paid, no major complaints!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam I have a Bachman hall class hogwarts express and the hole thing is made out of metal and the tender as well and you can get one from the Bradford exchange
If this model had no lights it would be a carbon copy of Hornby's class 66,a railroad loco in a railways box. Not bad for the price you paid. I purchased a Lima class 92 sometime ago and enjoyed fitting the roof parts which came in a large pack of extras. The pantographs are much more realistic and are made of metal.
Harsh but honest,I received three Hornby engines of late and had to do cosmetic repairs on all three have yet to run them in but still happy with my purchases. Rule #1 I like the look of them.
Thanks for sharing Charles - yes that's very common sadly - at least you were able to sort them out though, and glad you're happy with them!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Not a bad loco for the money, it's a real shame that Hornby got the colour completely wrong, though, but that's a reoccurring issue with them of late. Have you seen the latest Clans? Not sure what green it is, but it's not BR dark loco green that's for sure!
No single ended drive Electric locos for me.
Thanks for buying Sam so I don't have to.
Did you actually check the flange depth as they actually look like Lima Wheels which had deeper flanges?
Thanks Sam for reviewing an electric locomotive for a change. Please review more. Meanwhile, perhaps this unit could be improved somewhat if some weights were added.
Thanks Marv! Yeah sure, a little extra weight would be good, but that would add even more strain on the 2 driven axles/rubber tyres... probably would be fine though, at least for a time!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
You mentioned about dcc running may differ. I have an idea, as an improvement and since you have the tech there as an additional segment add a decoder and test. It would be nice to see a comparison. Any thoughts on making a more permanent layout thats not on carpet?
Which locomotive should I buy for my birthday,Steam Locomotive or diesel locomotives
i seen the class 92 video by intercity82 from around 2009 and it has the overhead but it been discontinued by that point so i think why it was included was due to it being in the 1995 drawing for it
If you think about it, there is no odd one out as they are all technically electric locomotives, even the steam outline locos!
Very good review. You give praise where it is due and criticism where appropriate. Glad to see you review a less expensive loco. I do enjoy your reviews. Thanks.
Does the fact that the bogus bogie has conducting strips fitted to each of the 6 wheels mean that the installation of a motor would be possible?
Looking forward to the Accurascale class 92.
Great review as always Sam,for the price you got it's ok.I think its got the same sort of motor set as my Hornby class 66.I don't understand why Hornby have made it so hard to get at the motor to service it?
I brought the class 92 when Hornby first brought them out and watching your review nothing seems to have changed, no major upgrades to the model etc..
haha very much so - besides the mechanical upgrades (which still don't bring it to modern standards) - it seems to be the same model as ever, with modern livery application!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Are you sure this is the correct packaged Loco? It wasn't swapped out with another or a cheaper type and that's why you paid a bargain?
i been on the caledonian sleeper before back in April, and accurascale is releasing the caledonian sleeper MK5s
Last time I saw that instruction manual it was on a class 90 locomotive that I had 30 years ago! XD
Following your review I bought a fairly recent but secondhand Class 92 on Ebay for £30 plus postage. The main issue is that its slow speed running (up to about half speed) is rather poor in one direction. It seems to hesitate once every revolution of something (probably not the motor but I am not sure). I am half-tempted to try to look at the gear wheels but that would involve trying not to break the vertical, sprung plastic V clip ( I assume one just squeezes it together but so far I have not succedded) and then going against your advice to open up partially the motor. Perhaps I will just enjoy its running at a 50% cruising speed?
Good and fair review, I agree a sloppy end product with clearly incorrect evaluation of its place in their product lines, incorrect packaging ( Hornby Railways Box), cover images, incorrect instructions etc, and definitely should be in Railroad range. However, any suggested comparison with the upcoming Accurascale model is like comparing chalk and cheese, on expected release the DCC ready version will be £189.99, only those with pre-orders will get the 'early bird' pre-Jan 2022 price. So on the current RRP that makes it almost 3 times what you paid and nearly double what Hornby's RRP for what is a Railroad (a basic model), and aside from the 'wrong' product category Hornby aren't trying to hide the fact it's an old model because as you pointed out its on the box. I am not a Hornby apologist, their price rises in comparison to others seems indefensible, but your great review of the recent 'upgrade' to the A1, even though not perfect, proves they are still capable of producing good models albeit not a new tooling. By the by, Auscision are great models, their HO scale models are sublime and prices competitive, their new 2022 release of a CLR Class diesel loco with DCC Loksound fitted, on pre-order, is $395 (GBP225). ...Drew
Thanks a lot Drew, yeah i agree. Yes of course the Accurascale 92 will be a completely different beast - but £189.99 is the price... they're still available to pre-order for that right now, and I've seen nothing to suggest they're increasing the price... so we're only talking around +£80-£90 on the Hornby... which I think sounds well worth it!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hey Sam, another example of a railways model that should be railroad. I think the issue with some of these is that when the system was introduced these were still considered ok. I think this loco is fair for £80. If I was a younger modeller I’d be happy with this and there is probably still a market for it.
My primary grip with this loco is the shade of blue. It’s not far from BR blue. If you look at the real thing (or accurascale) you’ll realise how appalling Hornby’s attempt is. Not that anyone will but you simply can’t run this with accurascale mark 5’s.
Suffice to say I am very much looking forward to my accurascale 92 in sleeper teal with its motorised pantographs.
The instructions look like they were made for the old class 90.
Was that a class 86 bo bo in an intercity livery, i have one in a br blue livery called pheonex and its the first and only diesel i have but it runs terribly i bought it second hand and have not been able to get it to work properly do have any tips on how to treat it. Btw love your videos sam.
Nice, Caledonian Sleeper livery. I'm going to be on the Caledonian Sleeper on the 15th July
Sam,why don't you jack your whole track up to sit/stand level,add some scenery etc. It would make the experience much better. Luv your channel. Greets from NL.
I may be wrong, but some time ago Sam said he was looking to move out and that's why he wasn't doing anything serious to his layout
Decent review there Sam I think this is your first review of an AC electric from the UK, I personally have an accurascale one on pre order at the moment and while it has features on it that I won’t be able to use due to still being a dc user i can personally live without those for now and im sure one day I will try dcc.
Thanks a lot David! I think the Accurascale will knock the socks off this model... but only time will tell!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Its better if you place the pantographs up, i like it for pantographs up
Hi Sam. Just to play devil's advocate: the instructions did say "some locomotives have working pantographs..."; we also know that instructions sheets do refer to more than one model.
Yes do try the accurascale one Sam
Hey Sam so I’ve noticed in your more recent videos you often criticize paint. As I’m sure you know applying things like varnish and or certain types of clear coat can effect the glossyness of the paint greatly. With that as a manufacturer I’d be asking what would you rather a code matching paint job or an adjusted color for the improved finish?
Lovely, I have a GBRf liveried version!
Ahh yes I know the one - very nice livery! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I'm fairly sure the reason it isn't a Railroad model is because all the Railroad models have a Railways range counterpart whereas the 92 (and also the 66) don't. Still, it would suit the Railroad range much better.
Yeah, the Hornby Class 92 would be best suited for their Railroad range as it's starting to show with the dated tooling on the shell and the mechanism underneath. If you have the time and budget it would be nice to see a review of the Accurascale version of the Class 92.
Why not put some varnish on the body? That may help.
Hey Sam can you do a really long train with ALL of your coaches and wagons and right at the front can you have your most expensive trains.
Plz tell me what trains to get for my first ones because I'm just starting to build a Hornby/Bachmann railway, thnx
haha that'd be awesome, but impossible... I don't have nearly enough track to do that, haha! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains OK thanks anyway
Thanks for the video, Sam. The instructions look like the ones for the class 90. It's is pretty slapdash isn't it?
Those square looking wheel flanges look similar to the ones on a Hornby class 73, and they wont run smoothly on code 75 track - Warning! Do you know how to re-wheel this or the class 73? Regards Andrew
Still running old Lima locos out of choice but Hornby still selling them as new!? Having working for companies with large product catalogues, I know that vague instruction sheets, cheap finishes will not be an accident. Someone will have pointed out in meetings the issues and been over-ruled.
I don't know what Hornby/Humbrol/Airfix group is up to but they're raising prices ridiculously over their entire range. Airfix's avro vulcan saw a 20% price hike from announcement to now (£60 to £72.50)
Yes it's a pity - all owned by Hornby of course, so you can expect any price increases to be consistent across all their brands :(
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam If you review a bachmann 4mt 2-6-0 here are some hints for you
No B on the wheels
No Fly W
3 pole
And No tender
I Hope you understand that
Cheers Laura & Felix
I have reviewed one, and you're absolutely right!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
hi sam... i guess the pantograph are mechanically operated .. by hand!!! even bachmanns class 90 is miles ahead and there is no comparison to accurscale class 92. however a good model for a kids first model. just cant wait for my accurascale 92 to arrive.. oh and yes would love to see you do some reviews of accurascale models.
Nice review. This locomotive looks like a slightly nicer version of what the Hornby Class 66 was.
Is it just me or are modellrailways from around DE/AT/CH much better than the ones in UK?
Because in most reviews I watch from you I see something that is missing, that I take for granted on models here
Like a close coupler and the guide for it, decent lights etc
Sam, have you ever thought of reviewing a Hornby Dublo train set? No particular one but it would be cool to see you review an old train set
Keep up the good work
Best regard, Calen
I haven't actually - I did cover all of the Wrenn locos, but that was as close as I've ever got!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I have a question regarding prices. Are british manufacturers' product genuinely more expensive than those on the continent? I bought a Piko Expert Co' Co' diesel recently and for 20 pounds more than this Hornby loco it has way more features and details...
That shade of blue looks far too light. It looks like a sort of slightly darker shade of LNER garter blue if anything; the Caledonian Sleeper blue is much darker. Perhaps Hornby were confused by the mention of 'Caledonian' and pulled up a picture of Caley no 419, which is a rather similar shade
A nice simple train
Decent looking and a decent runner
I'd prefer a different livery but still nice
Hi Sam do you know of any well priced good tender engines love the vid!!!
The first thing ive immediately noticed is that the shade of blue on the models livery just seems way too bright and saturated compared to its real counterpart
Could you perhaps re-review the Class 71? Great video as always.
That would be nice actually - I can look into it! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains You won't be disappointed Sam. The DJM one is probably better detailed, but the Hornby one runs so much better. You can buy either for quite a discount too if you look around.
Well that was a very fair review Sam. Nice one.
Hi Sam. The class 92 was produced around the same time by both Lima and Hornby. The Hornby 92 was the first model produced in Chine. The Hornby model has less fidelity than the Lima tooling and it made look more toy like. The pantograph on the Lima version was much finer than this Hornby tooling.
Also, the Lima tooling was not fitted with lighting but the Hornby tooling was from the start. The NEM coupling and DCC socket are an enhancement and I suspect the motor is different from the original used when it first came out. This model is not fit for overhead pick up. Hornby are currently providing ridiculous instructions. This video shows instruction for an electric class 90 with the description 'diesel'. Recent class 60 purchases currently have a combination of class 60 and 31 instruction. Notably the body of a 31 is screw fitted as shown in the instructions but the class 60 body is a clip fit. What's more the front cowl detail is no longer provided and I suspect the change in instructions is a sneaky way of omitting this item. To confirm this is not the ex Lima model but the more inferior Hornby tooling
'Railroad'! was it my imagination or could I hear a Jaws Harp twanging in the up close and personal section?
I thought this was half decent until the traction tires, don't hold with them at all. Nice to see the working lights though.
I agree Sam The Mechanism deserves a 2 star.
Cheers Willow & Jasper
haha yeah - not the best unfortunately!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
For a railways model I would expect more. Here in the States...misrepresenting a product with an inaccurate image of a product inside is unlawful. No one will sue the company over an $80 loco. However you mentioned that you could not find any other loco like this for sale at the 64£ you paid for it. For me that means the $80 version doesnt exist....and it would come in here at around $125.
And that is all over the lack of a powered set of wheels. The moulded bits I can deal with. Lights are cool. Since the loco is DCC ready I expect they are controllable. Which begs the question why a light channel to the cab wasn't added giving that they skipped the powered bogey.
There is a lot of detail on the roof...however the only positive there are the insulators. The rest while alot being there...looks like something I would see at a $1 Store plastic wind up set.
All in all I think you were too generous with your marks. If I paid anything more than $60 US...I would feel duped by the sale.
Actually, its illegal in the UK, and you don't need to sue. You simply submit it to the advertising standards authority and they would take action. Hornby would be fined. If anyone bothers to do that, they probably won't.
I run dcc and I placed a bachmann chip into it and it don't move till speed step 22 on the nce power cab controller is that to do with the mechanism?
Great review again, Sam, looks like Hornby just used/half-edited the Class 90 leaflet...
The Class 90 has a switch on the roof to use catenary power (not recommended for DCC though). And it is not diesel either.
Agree, the Lima, ahem, Hornby Class 92 is not great, but ok with lights and DCC socket for the price you paid.
Very interested to see what Accurascale comes up with...