And then proceeds to defend the Young Bucks and Kenny Omega as usual, without even giving a shred of credence to the possibility that they have any part in this. As far as I'm concerned, the company did fine when Omega was on the shelf and they'll do fine without him or the Bucks. Dave just can't get his smoocher off their asses for any length of time.
@@jasonpdsi As far as I'm concerned, the company did fine when CM Punk was on the shelf and they'll do fine without him or the Ace Steel. Jason PDSI just can't get his smoocher off their asses for any length of time. Such a Punk fanboy.
@@ArcadiaAdamBae seriously tho. He legit has a history of this. These two are also not the only people that said they didn't hear the colt shit from the bucks. Punk is falling apart. His shoulder crumbled and so did his ego when max got that huge pop in Chicago. Better go make this about me.
Just let Bryan finish his fucking point THEN chime in with your incoherent rambling. His role is a color commentator, but he tries being the play-by-play guy. At this point, he should stick to writing.
Dave is obviously all-in with AEW -- which is fine -- but a true journalist cannot also wear blinkers when there are inconvenient truths to talk/write about......and he has been in the ultra-fast spin zone so much over the past couple years that his equilibrium has to be destroyed.
Meltzer on Punks aggressive actions: "yes he did do this" Meltzer on Young Bucks actions: "well that's what Punks people say" Dave Meltzer is one of Young Bucks' people. Dude is completely with them.
Which completely backs up Punk's claim that the Elite have been balls deep in wrestling reporter's. We've only been getting their side FOR A LONG TIME. I'm not a Punk defender tho. Dude acted like an asshole.
Yeah but since they had independent executives present to witness the whole thing, it seems incredibly strange that they would strip the titles from everyone if they are innocent in the situation. The fact they stripped everyone means that nobody is in the clear pretty much.
@@RB_rules LOL stop. This is not fake. Good lord they literally vacated the titles with no mention of Punk or the Bucks. There is also no grounds for a lawsuit either since PUnk instigated everything with his presser. He cannot claim he was aggrieved when he basically defamed The Elite in the first place with his false claims.
@@RB_rules Who knows who attacked who first? It's a he said/they said at this point. All we know for a fact is Punk threw fists, Ace threw a chair, bit and ripped hair.
Well you like the elite or not this is probably a true statement as I've seen first-hand in the industry of shopping in food Giants and Walmarts does not easy at all to be managers of such facilities in fact most time it sucks
Gotta agree, Dave getting the Bucks and Kenny's side of the story out there to save face. its pretty clear both sides were in the wrong and both sides deserve to be suspended.
At least he is consistent, and how can you cross the guys that had you over for dinner? None of what is happening on either side of this should shock anyone.
I think his lips are surgically attached to the Bucks and Omegas asses. He fails to mention Cody as one of the founders. In the States and to the networks Cody and mainly the Rhodes name helped to legitimize AEW. Also without Jericho the buzz wouldn't have been what it was.
Why have you commented on 6 different saying the same thing about dave interrupting, it's weird, unless you're Alvarez it's strange you're so invested in such an innocuous human behavior
Punk directly asked Meltzer what did he ever do to deserve the Bucks and Page bad mouthing him and Meltzer totally froze..now he is awfully chatty after he was told what to say by the Bucks. So fucking embarrassing
I thought they handled it well in terms of the show they put on last night. MJF not mentioning certain things, Mox giving a passionate promo, Jericho bringing some comedic relief and alluding to looking after the locker room and then some great matches that focused on young and key talent. This whole thing has been depressing and we're all far from having closure but I think Dynamite was a good indication of how strong the rest of the roster can be in a crisis. The AEW that dealt with Brodies passing in such a wonderful way is the AEW I love and that I want to see emerge from the other side of this mess. *Edit: I'm in no way comparing Brodies passing to this mess. I just think that situation showed us what AEW could be and that kind of unity should be the goal in the future.*
100% agree,i to love AEW, it saved my wrestling fandom at a time when WWE went so bad it became totally unwatchable. The respect they showed Brodie and his family was a shining example of what a company with such a passionate fan base both us and the locker room love this crazy business. One day it’s going to have be addressed, either on TV or podcast but with the investigations ongoing nows not the time. Off subject i wish Best Friends and Orange had of won the trio’s belts
and biting someone is a really mature way of doing so right? Cornette is dumb and anyone who actually agrees to that manchild is living in pure delusion.
He ran down so many people in front of his boss. His rant about cabana and his mother when no one ever mentioned him was shocking. Punk buried him self. Never saw the bucks or omega say anything in public. Paige I dunno he's acting weird.
BREAKING NEWS: Omega suffered a serious hair pulling injury and was rushed to an emergency salon for reconstructive perming treatment. My thoughts and prayers 🙏
Jericho and Mox are the absolute backbone and heart of AEW, they always have the companies back when needed and it's never been more apparent. They deserve all the credit in the world
And they definitely both have a rep for sometimes getting emotional, or even hot-head and confrontational. The difference is they also see the big picture and seem to understand when and how to let those frustrations bubble over in a way that won't hurt or embarrass the company.
11 minutes in and Dave is rambling about the TV deal Tony did or didnt have in 2018? Then he talks about how much WCW made? Dave, what are you talking about man???
Listening to Dave Meltzer ramble on like that is making me question my sanity. If you want information he's the the guy to ask but you'd better not expect a clear answer, or any answer for that matter.
Something's not right. Ever since he started handing out 5 stars plus to average Bucks and Omega matches, he's been sliding into a weird place. He makes so little sense in everything he says and does.
@@NL-fg6it He’s always been bad but these last few years it’s gotten insufferable. I used to listen to WOR daily back in 2014, I can barely sit through a 7 minute clip now.
Omega could bang Dave’s wife not even sure the guy is married and he’d say well ya know uhh she uhh was not uhh hmmm satisfied so yeah uhhh I’m glad she is uhhh satisfied now.
Anyone who says he isnt biased is a bigger joke then Meltzer. Its embarrassing. Hes so upset that he doesn't know when the next time will be that he can pull his pud to Bucks or Omega match. Stop acting like this guy is a journalist. He is Fan Boy Mark period
Felt the same. Even having Sammy and Darby in the tournament. The guys who were once seen as the future guys but took a bit of a backseat to other people coming in . The whole world title tournament bracket is all OG AEW stars aside from Danielson
Not defending Punk but isn’t Dave doing exactly what Punk said the dirt sheets reporting favorably for the elite and controlling the narrative making it anti punk
not when he has to defend his boys kenny & the young bucks. basically a 30 minute rant about the bucks being great, being awesome evps, how everyone should wrestle like the bucks and how punk has been trying to destroy aew. Dave doesn't want to lose his 3 buddies who leak him all the aew news true or made up.
Not shocked Meltzer is batting for his boys. Punk may be a prick but he’s an honest prick. The Elite are just as bad as Punk on the topic of being power hungry in the wrestling business, the best example of that is putting the Trio titles on themselves.
He brought up the Colt story cause he had all of you media guys in the room and the media has been gossiping about how it was Punk that got Colt kicked off of AEW. So he felt the need to address it face to face and squash it, because as he said, he’s been eating shit about it for a while. Could he have been the bigger man? Sure. Did he have to go as far as he did with the moms bank account and stuff? No. But it’s Punk. Buy the ticket take the ride. If he gets to the point where he has to speak on it, it aint gunna be pretty
@@Hacksaw_HIM_Thuggin the details that came out are The Elite version of the story and haven't been reported by any other news outlet not to mention the fact it's totally unrealistic
I just made a phonecall to Dave. I was wondering why he would be so biased. He told me he only did it to trigger you and all the other anti Meltzer marks. He also said you idiots would be back anyway like always just to complain instead of following something you actually enjoy.
@@Krispen_Wah I’m not The Who’s triggered lol you’re the one name calling someone you don’t even know btw I like Dave I just don’t know why the EVP would confront him like that doesn’t seem like something management should be doing and if did that they prob should be removed as EVPs
I love it when Alvarez brings up a good point that I don't think Meltzer had thought of yet so there's this pause where he's like "yeah that's smart I'll agree"
I actually like Omega and The Bucks, but this argument that Dave keeps making is absurd. Apparently wrestling has changed, and The Elite are the only ones on Earth who understand how modern-day wrestling works according to Dave. Punk apparently doesn't know how modern-day wrestling works, even though he's drawn the highest ratings, PPV buyrates, and ticket sales in AEW history.
Don’t forget merchandise sales, go look at the AEW shop and see who’s selling what for the week, for the month, for the year. Punk is delivering when it comes to the bank. He could’ve been wrong on all sorts of things, but the idea that he’s not making money is both weird and silly at the same time.
@@stevenmurphy2782 Yes really... Punk started all this shit. After the match he knew he was hurt and was pissed and decided to nuke the company from orbit on his way out. Mission accomplished! Bucks and Omega hear that shit so they are gonna be pissed. So they confronted that idiot and then he ups the ante by throwing the first punch and a chair and having his boy friend bite Kenny.
@@jakesanders269 there's obviously a problem in the locker room. punk was wrong to call it out at a press conference but that's something that can be dealt with, that didn't nuke the company, the bucks decision to go into his locker room blew this up beyond what it should have been. there are plenty of egos in this, not just punk's. if this is treated properly it just brings more eyes on AEW.
@@Krispen_Wah I feel like the gimmick fits not really needing to, if he played it up a little more. He just looks the part though, doesn't really play the part lol
It's almost as if Uncle Dave doesn't realize that these things are part of a larger picture. Punk doesn't care if someone shares a bank account with their mother in isolation but he cares when he countersues you and gets an email begging to drop the whole thing when discovery shows that his mom will be involved. Punk may not care that much if Adam Page went into business for himself in isolation but when he does it under the pretext of Colt Cabana at the exact same time news stories come out that Punk got Colt fired then it's a BIG f@$king issue. Punk and Cabana are basically the same as a couple that ended in a bitter divorce in terms of potential heat and everything went south when Colt's contract wasn't renewed.
@Art School Reject yeah the kind of guy who pays your legal fees and then you decide to get yourself your own lawyers and expect punk to pay for it. and when he tells you too fuck off try and sue him. and only dropped the lawsuit when punks lawyers wanted cabana & his mums bank accounts.
I lasted 8 minutes and can't take Meltzer anymore. He just keeps tossing up the vaguest word salads possible. I keep saying "get to it!" in my head. It's genuinely frustrating.
You guys should change the channel name to Y.B.P.A ( Young Bucks Protection Agency ) you’ve said very little about how the bucks abused their power as EVPS and they were more in the wrong for confronting punk when he was clearly pissed
Tell me exactly how the Bucks abused their authority? By going to reprimand the guy who just publicly embarrassed the whole company by airing personal grievances to the media? That’s not abusing their authority, that is literally their jobs as executives of the company.
You really want to know why? Because you still show up to listen to it. If there were no people clicking the videos and subbing their service he would probably change something.
I think TK did what was best, vacate the titles, don't mention their names, put on a great show that focuses on the young talent, hopefully, everything gets sorted out.
@@santanu-fr thats the story here, and they will keep doing that so stop with "mention WWE to get heat" bullshit, he got most of the heat with just fooling the audience.
@@arthurhex770The only bullshit is his promo. I guess people were correct when they said he's a one trick pony. Where did I hear his WWE promo? Oh yeah his last promo.
Tony Khan is the sole reason AEW exists. It’s his money and commitment. Cody, Jericho, the Jackson’s, Omega, Moxley all played their part. But acting like the Bucks are brilliant revolutionaries who are architects is ridiculous.
He's the most important party by a mile. But he was a wrestling fanatic and the son of a multi-billionaire for his whole life. He only started a company once the Elite created a built-in audience that could be counted on to support a new company. To say nothing of the relationships they cultivated for years with independent talent that was used to build a roster. TK is by far more important but it doesn't happen without both parties.
I hear you. I also would like to know how did they approach him. If I was at least Kenny who was said to have been the calmer heads of the situation, I would’ve told the bucks let’s wait and sleep on it because emotions were high but they didn’t so I’m not totally confident they went over there not heated.
@@BorrowedMemories Dont tell 3 people to come see you, then. When punk sues because he got a confrontation that he straight up asked for, i dont know how people can still act like hes some badass rebel. The bucks probably shouldve been better "executives," but just as men, i dont really have a problem with them confronting punk
Agreed. Mox left W.W.E. on a high note, battling Drew Mac for several weeks in the most entertaining fued of the company at the time, then dropped into A.E.W. with a match that had all the hype and got the people talkin'...
"Tony did nothing" A good summary of the situation, and how it got where it got. Tony needs to start pulling rank instead of acting like his personal wrestler collection is going to "get along" because reasons. Three of your "executives" getting in fights, regardless of who started it, is a real bad look. Tony APOLOGIZING to Punk while Punk's just running it down makes it feel like he has no control over the situation.
But isn’t it sad that a grown man has to tell other grown men to get along or be civil? And who knows what he did, maybe he had conversations and no one listened. Maybe he didn’t think it was that intense. Who knows but from this incident I hope Tony has learned a lot.
I really hoped for some objectivity from Dave and Bryan on this story, but the former in particular is very blatantly siding with Kenny and the Bucks here. Always enjoy insights from these two (even when a 1-minute point takes Dave about 15), but there's no empathy with Punk and the frustration he must have felt going into that press scrum. Maybe if Dave had their legion of fans blaming him for Colt Cabana's shortcoming, he'd be pissed too. 🤷♂
Dave has massively put over Punk's side, but the fact is you can't do what he did. The Bucks and Kenny should be punished as well, but Punk is a miserable fuck who has a complex
Ace Steel committed two class 3 misdemeanours. If the State's Attorney is a prick, that's probation, maybe jail time. Dave is giving him the benefit of the doubt and he's still biased? Genuinely, you need to examine your own biases before accusing others.
Exactly. Its rediculous. Idk what his fasination with them is. But Vince is out, AEW is no longer the "Revolution". WWE is on fire, and its a better product finally. So AEW needs to adapt. Its clear Meltzer is saying shit that the evps have been slamming in his ear. Punk is "old" cant "change" rubbed people the wrong way but is real vague. I think the biggest issue with AEW right now is that anyone that challenges the bucks and omega are gonna get hit with a smere campaign.
@@spac18 7 on the elite side suspended 2 on punks side elite went on there 3 on 1 to start some shit 1 got slept and then they needed there 4 buddies to come to there aide. Punk isn't going anywhere he's the#1 draw for them the bucks n omega can easily be replaced. They have shown there star power isn't what they thought it was
@@williambuchko5797 Interesting, how to you know they "went on there 3 on 1 to start some s.."? It's just as believable they went to apologise and clear the air and Punk started cussing them out as soon as they walked in. Neither of us were there, so how do you know?
@@JC-ok4yx there's plenty of talk of what happened just cause you're fixated on these bums with an angle to spin in the elites favor tells me alot. If punk was the aggressor why did 7 people on the elite side get suspended? 🤔 if punk was the aggressor why are they stripped of titles? Once the 3rd party investigation is done and the elite get shit canned you can come back here n apologize for being the mark you are
Oh I see now that Dave is playing damage control….he didn’t have this same energy until his little buddies got suspended now we are on this Punk in the wrong bashing session!🤦🏾♂️ Do you see why now that Punk blew up the way he did????
@@cjflysociety1950 Let’s be honest the guy that was the face of AEW or the All In show was Cody Rhodes! These douchebag dumbasses were playing the background! How ironic none of this nonsense really started until Punk got into the title picture and then we started hearing a smear Punk campaign! I believe they pushed Cody out they’ve had problems with FTR and now Punk and these reporters like Dave are the reason Punk came off contentious because of this kinda bullshit he’s spewing on this video!!🤦🏾♂️
100%. It's the things like this that have been building up for months for Punk. Now Dave is going as far as saying that Punk carefully planned all this. Meltzer couldn't even respond when Punk confronted his BS reporting and now he's taking his chance to help bury him
@@bileductable Facts!!! He acted real scared when Punk called him out! This is why wrestling is drawing less than it has been and let me say this….Dave who knew who an Adam Paige was before AEW? Don’t worry I’ll wait!😂
Dave, you have attended numerous UFC press conferences where the fighters talk shit about the company or Dana. This happens regularly. I'm sure Dave isn't going to read UA-cam comments but come on lol. Punk clearly felt his media coverage has been unfair and when Hangman goes off script to and claims Punk is the reason someone lost a job when that person already sued him. Surely, adding this context would've been useful? Then we have Dave stating Bucks paved the way. Cody, Bucks and Kenny played a huge role but you can't have EVPs storm/walk into a personal locker room of guy who already critiqued on them few minutes back. Unfortunately Dave sounded like he was picking a side whereas Bryan Alvarez has been careful to be as neutral as possible.
He has his side, it's clear as water. Always was. I can listen but I can spot when you're not being neutral or you're trying to follow a certain narrative.
Its not the same. UFC fighters careers are super short and they don't have to be okay with company decisions. They just need to get in the ring and fight. It doesn't matter what they think of the company cause them walking out or not fighting means nothing, whereas wrestling is dependent on people agreeing to decisions in the back and losing a fight to someone they may not like. Stop excusing Punk because Hangman once said a line that no one knew referred to Colt. Punk was a child seating at home being mad that Hangman said something three months ago and then decided to go after the founders of the company, the soul of the company. Because Punk only cares about what is good for Punk and once he got his fill of AEW and their benefit to him he will walk away without caring what happens or how much he buried the talent in the back on the way there. He ruined his own story with MJF because he couldn't keep his personal issues to himself. Who cares what wrestling media says? What are you a child? They buried Punk for 7 years when he was away, now he suddenly cares what they write?
And here was me thinking journalism was supposed to be unbiased. Also, speaks volumes to the professional history of both people and wrestling as a whole that they don't know how suspensions and investigations work in an actual company. Mind-blowing.
Meltzer saying ppvs headlined by Adam Page drew better than ones headlined by Punk, tells you all you need to know about Meltzer... Yeah I am sure Adam Page is this huge ppv draw that's why those ppvs drew well. 7-star journalism, Dave.
Talk about Dave being bias…. Punk had every right to call out the bucks and Cobana… they made up false accusations and put it in the media about him to slander him, and at the end of the day you can bet your life on it if ftr were still in the building there wouldn’t of been a chance in hell the bucks and omega go and confront punk. Good on punk for not taking their shit like everyone else seems to do.
@@andy2069 rumors that they kicked in the door and were just being threatening in general to an employee. But it doesn't even matter, active wrestlers shouldn't be involved in the management, serious conflict of interest. Give it to older wrestlers who are more experienced and seem to be getting paid for nothing so far lol.
"Something like this would NEVER happened under Vince" Are people conveniently forgetting that Nailz choked Vince out, and that Bret knocked him out? lol
@ny giants fan raider fanBut i thought Vince was sooooo good at maintaining control of his locker room? Nailz and Bret sure showed Vince a ton of respect in those incidents, eh? lol Face it, pal. Vince wasnt as respected as WWE has conditioned you to believe..At least no wrestler has ever put their hands on Tony
@@Nostalgia9478 You do realize you are only coming with two incidents in 40 years of being the boss. Tony has been around for 3. Come back with that point in about 20 years, and it might have relevance. Something specifically like this would never have happened under Vince because he would never have been a mark and an idiot, and named a bunch of active "wrestlers" as VP's. Vince never even had an active wrestler booking for him. The office and the boys were always separate. And I am certainly not a WWF honk. I stopped watching that promotion in 1998. I just live in reality, not spin world.
Half hour of burying Punk and not mentioning any blame by the other participants..... Then Dave wonders why people think he's bias towards the Elite and crew.
I didn't get the whole "he shares a bank account with his mother" thing as if Cabana was living off Mom rather than sharing an account to take care of her. I'm sure that he did tell Punk let's stop all this (because now the lawyers are coming after my Mom), but it's not quite as sinister as it was made to be. That tells you all you need to know about CM Punk.
Punk has a restraining order on his mom. His brother stole from him. His dad was a raging drunk. He doesn’t know what a healthy relationship looks like.
Exactly, Punk insults a man for taking care of his mother just because he doesn’t take care of his. I’m sure Colt did some asshole things but that’s just about the only valiant thing he’s ever done lol.
22:40 I love how DM plays it off like the media didn't have a part to play in this. So Dave uses words like "imaginary" to make it seem like Punk was delusional at the time.
Come on, we all know Dave is really really really really really neutral. He’s not biased at all man. How could you ever come to that conclusion? It’s not like his website ran an article about the scrum in which they literally removed Dave’s name from the quotation by Punk.
It was reported by several outlets that many believed Punk was responsible for Colt being fired. That means someone started that rumor. They have worked the same show since Punk joined AEW, so they truly don’t give a fuck about what each other do as long as they don’t have to interact, but someone started that rumor. It’d make sense that it was someone close to Colt that started it, so it’s not a stretch to say it was someone associated with the Elite. They could have started that rumor and still not have directly told the media that it was Punks fault. It could have made its way around so much that it’s super hard to track down the source.
Yupppp. They are to blame for a lot of these issues by reporting rumors instead of actual facts. Like right now the investigation is going on but they still feel entitled to know what’s going on or what actually happened.
Dude why does suddenly wrestlers care what is said in wrestling media about them? Why do they suddenly care instead of just burying them as they always do? Its a joke that Punk got mad at media. You're 42, get your shit together
Remove the EVP titles and give them to former wrestlers, actually qualified people. The Elite need to know that this isn't their company, it's Tony's. So unless Kenny is going to go marry Tony's undiscovered daughter and play the long game, they should cut the Kliq 2.0 bullshit.
Hopefully some of the talent who’ve been relegated to Elevation/UA-cam purgatory take this window of time as an opportunity to get themselves over to Dynamite or Rampage 🤷♂️ This is what Vince calls “grabbing the Brass Ring” 😂
Bryan and Vinny need to read the comments about Dave's problem on the interruption, because it's getting out of hand now. 😏 On the video itself, it's clear that these guys are biased and they're shilling for the Bucks. I've lost all respect that I've had for them.
Omega and the Bucks could have gone in swinging sledgehammers, and Meltzer would still be blaming Punk for the situation. And he'd probably give the formers a 5 star review.
To give credit where it's due, Tony stepped up and last night show was as good as it could possibly be, given the circumstances, and it's the first time in months I'm optimistic about the future, especially after that awesome Moxley promo
@@aromega10 Here goes the caveats 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂, TK is a horrible boss period. McMahon whether you liked him or not didn't have spats publicly like this to happen in front of Mark tabloid writers
How can Meltzer/Alvarez and Wrestling Observer have any credibility on this story? They are very much involved in the whole thing, are close friends with the Elite and simply cannot be objective. At no point here have either of them ever considered Punk’s side to it, that the Elite may have behaved inappropriately as well, and that they certainly did not start AEW from nothing. Khan’s billions may have played a part and the signing of major, non-indie talent bringing in a wider audience. Also I think Cody’s contributions in the early days are totally forgotten now. But none of that is acknowledged by these “journalists”.
Meltzer explicitly cites 'Punk's side' of the story several times, not just in this video but throughout his entire coverage. As friendly as they are with the Elite, they realize they weren't there. It's possible both 'sides' are wrong and a third party will eventually tell the more accurate story.
This BS shows you have not listened at all. Meltzer explicitly stated that Punk and his side are giving their account of things while The EVP's are giving their side of things. At no point has he ever stated one side as fact. Also, He has readily stated that he was not there. He has also publicly and empthatically stated that Punk's claim that the EVP's leaked info to him was completely false. Fianlly, he has reported Punk's side of things several times. At no time did Meltzer ever state that the EVP's were innocent. They have plenty of credibility and have reported this fairly. YOu are a PUnk mark mad that he refuses to claim Punk's story to be fact.
@@PepsiMan666 They also have stated they weren't there publicly not to mention that he also reported that AEW Head of Legal witnessed it and her account will be the decider.
ps Punk has not brought in a wider audience. The AEW's viewership is is exactly the same now with Punk as it was before Punk got there. Also, as Dave stated, Tony was not going to start the company without The Bucks and Omega.
Oh come on, the son of the American Dream can’t be that valuable to founding a wrestling company. I’m sure three guys that were big in Japan is much more important.
@@bnb25 Dude, the Elite were the draws of the company, Cody was a part of the Elite, but he wasn’t THE draw, especially at that time. Kenny was the leader of the group and was widely regarded as one of (if not THE) best wrestlers in the world, coming from his tremendous success and fame in Japan. Cody’s popularity started to skyrocket AFTER AEW started and he was having great matches and storylines. But before that, he was no mega star whose sole name value could carry a company.
As far as after that rant, Tony did the smart think with the punishment, I hope he starts to take this shit more with an iron fist and stop allowing people to step on and over him, I always have liked Tony outside of that but maybe he finally learned from a situation his "executives" caused, which should have been fired from that title and honestly never given it to begin with.
If it wasn't for Bucks and Omega, Punk will still be getting his ass kicked by amateur fighters and Tony will still be a mark like you. Well not like u, ur a broke ass
punk caused that shit by shooting on everybody just cause he assumed the evps leaked some shit which they didnt and cause he was butthurt that hangman sayd something he didnt like, hangman isnt even a evp. Crybaby punk made everybody look stupid cause his little feeling where hurt. Punk also threw the first punch so if someone caused it its him
Yeah its punks fault they started shit by lying to media and then hangman going into business for himself lol nothing was done until they kept pulling bullshit., the fact marks blame punk shows why aew won't take anything to the next level with people who are to blame,. Punk said nothing until now, unlike the young bucks who spread nonstop bullshit and lies and got called out. By the way, punk has been aews biggest draw, so you might want to look at the situation differently. If this was the industry it was before these guys wouldn't have made it because shit like this got peoples asses beat.
@@MrRyanlennie2005 I agree. That being said MLW does deserve national TV the product is generally great. It'd be better if they had the money to spend.
The rumor about Jacob is that people are gun-shy about him because of his criminal record. Granted, AEW let Nick Gage on television, but Warner seems to dictate things to them about who can be on television now, so who knows what the vetting process is.
My sister is a big time Philadelphia corporate lawyer and she says CM Punk has a strong case for a lawsuit against AEW because he was attacked by an Executive Vice President of a company....CM Punk is stubborn and I would say there is less than 1% chance you will see him on AEW TV ever again
dave meltzer can't get one coherent thought out of his head without repeating himself, going on a tangent, and throwing in half a dozen self-corrections
@@shadyhavok1 he used to not speak like that, something happened to his brain like a couple of years ago. There are recordings of dave from 20 years ago, he used to be normal.
I don't have all the information necessary to make a judgement, but Punk clearly escalated the situation at the media scrum. He gave Hangman his "receipt" when he buried him in his return promo, that should have been the end of it, but he just went right back on the warpath. I have to imagine stuff was said by the Bucks and/or Kenny to set him off, otherwise, why keep this going?
The promo was Punk's receipt. But I guess Omega and The Bucks had a problem with it. So in typical Bucks and Omega fashion they tried to bury Punk about Cabana being moved to ROH through other wrestling media outlets. Which really pissed him off
Punk has been getting a lot of boos lately, even in Chicago, so I honestly believe that set him off even more. In his mind, The Elite tried to sabotage his run as a babyface by turning the crowd against him. Not saying I agree or disagree with it, but I'm assuming that's where his mind is at.
@@Jock544321 but making that pubic risking your company and business? That’s not professional. No matter what somebody else did to you. Punk included. Receipts are no excuse. This is 2022. Act fucking professional and make your money and move on. If you’re offended by someone’s actions go to your superiors. Let them deal with it. That’s what everyone else does at their jobs. Not get revenge or try and humiliate them in front of a live audience. Stop acting like children, that goes for everyone.
@@Jock544321 They didnt leak it multiple wrestling journalists sayd the didnt get the info from them, its just a stupid assumption like everybody could have told them that, its a fkng dirtsheet story which easy could have made up by what ever journalist, punk is just such a huge mark for himself, biggest drama queen in pro wrestling working with HHH was beneth him, AEW is beneth him everyone but him are kids and didnt do shit in the business, as a big punk fan in the past hes a embarrassment for himself. He also threw the first punch.
It's sad a man Dave's age is such a simp for the "cool kids" he want's to be one of them so bad. He'll excuse anything they do. Getting a pop doing things wrong to an audience of 20 drunk people at an indie show doesn't mean you're over or successful. Some of these people got where they are because they are friends with the 4 stooges that suckered Tony into making them "EVPs". If it wasn't for their influence on Tony a lot of them would still be working backyards and High school gyms.
In the Punk/Steel version, The Young Bucks went to Punk’s locker room after he finished at the presser. He didn’t answer when they knocked, as he was wiped out from his match with Jon Moxley during the PPV and the “emotional” scrum. So Matt & Nick Jackson pounded on the door, and eventually “kicked the door down.” Ace’s wife was in the room. According to Wrestling Observer, Mrs. Steel has a broken foot and was watching Punk’s dog Larry (who will be a key figure in the other side’s account). Concern for his wife is what set Steel off, reportedly throwing a chair at Nick and biting Kenny Omega. Interestingly, Fightful’s write-up of this side does say that Omega was initially calm until things got out of hand. The entire scene was “very long,” and included a heated verbal exchange even after the men were physically separated. In the Elite version, The Bucks went to talk to Punk, “just like he told them to” (he’s said some variation of “if you have a problem with me, I’m not hard to find” on multiple occasions). They didn’t barge in, but as soon as they entered the room, before anyone said a word, Punk threw punches aimed for Matt Jackson’s head. Nick tried to intervene, which is when Steel threw the chair at him, hitting the younger Buck in the head. Omega is also calm in this account, and was said to primarily be worried about Larry, who was agitated and barking. Kenny took Punk’s dog out of the room and tried to get Steel off of Nick, which is when Ace pulled his hair and bit him. This telling of events agrees that the war of words continued after the violence ended, but claims Punk repeatedly threatened legal action during the shouting portion of the fight. P.S. Meltzer is pretty one sided in favor of the Bucks for some reason. Barely heard "there are faults on boths sides." Just an observation. Lastly, Meltzer, stop cutting people off, especially before you have a complete thought. That is all.
proceeds to spend 30 minutes repeating everything the bucks had leaked to him. "bucks are great, bucks are awesome evps, everyone should wrestle like the bucks, punks a dick trying to destroy aew. oh and how hangman is actually a massive draw and drew big ppv numbers which had nothing to do with punk vs darby, punk vs mjf and punk winning the title. if all out draws bug numbers it won't be because of moxley punk it will be because everybody wanted to watch the trios title match. the trios title that no one wanted apart from the bucks & omega.
Bryan : so what's going on Dave
Dave : you tell me what's going on
Bryan : *process to tell what's going on*
Dave : *aigt imma cut you there*
And then proceeds to defend the Young Bucks and Kenny Omega as usual, without even giving a shred of credence to the possibility that they have any part in this. As far as I'm concerned, the company did fine when Omega was on the shelf and they'll do fine without him or the Bucks. Dave just can't get his smoocher off their asses for any length of time.
@@jasonpdsi Spot on.
Honestly, I stopped listening right there. I don't want to hear that shit from him
@@jasonpdsi As far as I'm concerned, the company did fine when CM Punk was on the shelf and they'll do fine without him or the Ace Steel.
Jason PDSI just can't get his smoocher off their asses for any length of time.
Such a Punk fanboy.
@@ArcadiaAdamBae seriously tho. He legit has a history of this. These two are also not the only people that said they didn't hear the colt shit from the bucks. Punk is falling apart. His shoulder crumbled and so did his ego when max got that huge pop in Chicago. Better go make this about me.
Dave’s ability to interrupt without having a fully thought out point is unprecedented
An annoying quality.
Just let Bryan finish his fucking point THEN chime in with your incoherent rambling. His role is a color commentator, but he tries being the play-by-play guy. At this point, he should stick to writing.
Dave is obviously all-in with AEW -- which is fine -- but a true journalist cannot also wear blinkers when there are inconvenient truths to talk/write about......and he has been in the ultra-fast spin zone so much over the past couple years that his equilibrium has to be destroyed.
Dave Meltzer vs Disco Inferno in a Steel Cage match.
Winner gets to continue to interrupt people😌
Dave Meltzer is a typical Hebrew.
Meltzer on Punks aggressive actions: "yes he did do this"
Meltzer on Young Bucks actions: "well that's what Punks people say"
Dave Meltzer is one of Young Bucks' people. Dude is completely with them.
Absolutely. It's never been more clear lol. This is the least neutral reporting could be
Which completely backs up Punk's claim that the Elite have been balls deep in wrestling reporter's. We've only been getting their side FOR A LONG TIME. I'm not a Punk defender tho. Dude acted like an asshole.
In a corporate setting, suspending everyone until the investigation is complete is pretty typical.
Yeah but since they had independent executives present to witness the whole thing, it seems incredibly strange that they would strip the titles from everyone if they are innocent in the situation.
The fact they stripped everyone means that nobody is in the clear pretty much.
This isn’t typical. This is fake. Also if this is real and you have company executives attacking someone the company will/should be sued.
@@RB_rules LOL stop. This is not fake. Good lord they literally vacated the titles with no mention of Punk or the Bucks. There is also no grounds for a lawsuit either since PUnk instigated everything with his presser. He cannot claim he was aggrieved when he basically defamed The Elite in the first place with his false claims.
@@RB_rules Who knows who attacked who first? It's a he said/they said at this point. All we know for a fact is Punk threw fists, Ace threw a chair, bit and ripped hair.
In a corporate setting, people getting immediately fired after getting in a physical altercation is even more typical
Even when you turn the playback speed to max, it still takes Dave an eternity to make his point
Lmao so true…
The problem is he tries to make a point without making anyone upset which is impossible.
@ryo saeba His repeated use of "you know" and "like" drain my will to live
😂😂 Gold
That's because he's trying to think of excuses and lies he can tell for his boyfriends.
I am no CM Punk fan but saying Adam Page drew bigger numbers than Punk is just lunacy. Dave Meltzer is invisible man of the Elites.
I know it became a bit of a running gag to say Dave and the WON crew are on the AEW/EVP payroll but JFC he really might be
Punk isn't a big draw, he never was.
@@DiGesoGino That's much of a joke as Dave saying Page and Omega were draws.
Of course. Memeltzer is an Elite shill.
But Page did draw bigger numbers
I'll just say, properly managing a Target is probably harder than being an EVP in AEW
Either way those queefs couldn’t do either cuz they’re too busy playing pocket pull with their bfs
Well you like the elite or not this is probably a true statement as I've seen first-hand in the industry of shopping in food Giants and Walmarts does not easy at all to be managers of such facilities in fact most time it sucks
For real they definitely couldn't handle the target
Yes guys tell us all more how you work at Target.... It's very interesting for sure.
@@Krispen_Wah well the key thing is to ignore goofballs who think they're funny. Not just anyone can lead fancy Walmart
Uncle Dave showing that he's truly on the side of omega and the bucks.
@@96bread The GOATS of never drawing a dime. lol
Gotta agree, Dave getting the Bucks and Kenny's side of the story out there to save face. its pretty clear both sides were in the wrong and both sides deserve to be suspended.
At least he is consistent, and how can you cross the guys that had you over for dinner? None of what is happening on either side of this should shock anyone.
Bending over backwards to protect them lol
Dave’s probably phoned Tony Khan up to beg him to reinstate his boyfriends.
Someone get Dave the chap stick, he's running low
I think his lips are surgically attached to the Bucks and Omegas asses. He fails to mention Cody as one of the founders. In the States and to the networks Cody and mainly the Rhodes name helped to legitimize AEW. Also without Jericho the buzz wouldn't have been what it was.
@@bknrng2706 😂😂😂
I imagine Bryan sleeping in his chair while Dave talks.
in all fairness listening to Dave ramble is like taking a whole bottle of Nyquil to the face
Why have you commented on 6 different saying the same thing about dave interrupting, it's weird, unless you're Alvarez it's strange you're so invested in such an innocuous human behavior
Punk directly asked Meltzer what did he ever do to deserve the Bucks and Page bad mouthing him and Meltzer totally froze..now he is awfully chatty after he was told what to say by the Bucks. So fucking embarrassing
Good to see Bryan and Dave staying neutral 🤣🤣
Dave can't lose his backstage sources 😂
😂😂
Yes. He doesn't have his pay cheques for shilling coming in. So he will go around parading on Twitter until the Fucks and Omemega give him attention
@Parmesan Cheese Addict 😂
I thought they handled it well in terms of the show they put on last night.
MJF not mentioning certain things, Mox giving a passionate promo, Jericho bringing some comedic relief and alluding to looking after the locker room and then some great matches that focused on young and key talent.
This whole thing has been depressing and we're all far from having closure but I think Dynamite was a good indication of how strong the rest of the roster can be in a crisis. The AEW that dealt with Brodies passing in such a wonderful way is the AEW I love and that I want to see emerge from the other side of this mess. *Edit: I'm in no way comparing Brodies passing to this mess. I just think that situation showed us what AEW could be and that kind of unity should be the goal in the future.*
Jericho looking after the locker room is a joke. He leeches on young talent to new to say no to his aweful storyline that wouldn't even make it on raw
Spoken like a true mark! I’m so proud.
agreed 100 percent, time to move forward and onwards.
@@aye_its_karate6169 why do wrestling fans think mark is the biggest insult?
100% agree,i to love AEW, it saved my wrestling fandom at a time when WWE went so bad it became totally unwatchable. The respect they showed Brodie and his family was a shining example of what a company with such a passionate fan base both us and the locker room love this crazy business. One day it’s going to have be addressed, either on TV or podcast but with the investigations ongoing nows not the time.
Off subject i wish Best Friends and Orange had of won the trio’s belts
Ace Steel's job as a producer is to stop the fight. What job do the EVP's have as, you know... the 3 EVP's?
Exactly. There's really no excuse here for their actions. Cornette summed it up pretty nicely.
evp assaulting an employee of the company can you say massive law suit lol
Precisely.
and biting someone is a really mature way of doing so right? Cornette is dumb and anyone who actually agrees to that manchild is living in pure delusion.
Did the "EVPs" disrespect the company? Curious you only find guilt in CM Punk. Stop being Biased
Did they go in a media scrum and just berate people like dude
@@fattymcfattzz no, but they decided to confront a dude backstage like a bunch of thugs instead of acting like EVPs.
@@fattymcfattzz no, they do all the talking in Dave’s DM‘s. it’s harder to get blowback that way.
He ran down so many people in front of his boss. His rant about cabana and his mother when no one ever mentioned him was shocking. Punk buried him self. Never saw the bucks or omega say anything in public. Paige I dunno he's acting weird.
BREAKING NEWS: Omega suffered a serious hair pulling injury and was rushed to an emergency salon for reconstructive perming treatment. My thoughts and prayers 🙏
LMAO best comment on here!
Hahahaha
Wouldn’t that be a “local haircare facility”?
@@mrpink99 very good 😁
Jericho and Mox are the absolute backbone and heart of AEW, they always have the companies back when needed and it's never been more apparent. They deserve all the credit in the world
And they definitely both have a rep for sometimes getting emotional, or even hot-head and confrontational. The difference is they also see the big picture and seem to understand when and how to let those frustrations bubble over in a way that won't hurt or embarrass the company.
11 minutes in and Dave is rambling about the TV deal Tony did or didnt have in 2018? Then he talks about how much WCW made? Dave, what are you talking about man???
Listening to Dave Meltzer ramble on like that is making me question my sanity. If you want information he's the the guy to ask but you'd better not expect a clear answer, or any answer for that matter.
Something's not right. Ever since he started handing out 5 stars plus to average Bucks and Omega matches, he's been sliding into a weird place. He makes so little sense in everything he says and does.
@@NL-fg6it He’s always been bad but these last few years it’s gotten insufferable. I used to listen to WOR daily back in 2014, I can barely sit through a 7 minute clip now.
What’s so hard to understand? Did someone force you to watch this on UA-cam?
He's also dancing around being overtly critical. So it's slow and biased.
He’s clearly on the spectrum, Cut him some slack here he can’t help it its a serious condition.
Dave would never say anything bad about his 3 adopted sons Kenny and the Young Bucks
What I do know uhm uhm is that I don’t know and uhm uhm if I did know uhm uhm I wouldn’t tell you uhm uhm.
That’s a fact
😂😂 uncle Dave has nothing to report now.
I think it's more twisted than just "adopted" sons
You can tell who’s side Dave is on. Clearly pro bucks and omega.
Omega could run over a family and dave would say "Well uhhhh you know the uhhhh family should not have ummmmm been there"
@@MrHawk1212 "uuh the family should uuuh understand the new way of driving, maybe uuh they are out of touch who knows? we will see"
He should be if they are his leakers.
Omega could bang Dave’s wife not even sure the guy is married and he’d say well ya know uhh she uhh was not uhh hmmm satisfied so yeah uhhh I’m glad she is uhhh satisfied now.
Anyone who says he isnt biased is a bigger joke then Meltzer. Its embarrassing. Hes so upset that he doesn't know when the next time will be that he can pull his pud to Bucks or Omega match. Stop acting like this guy is a journalist. He is Fan Boy Mark period
I wonder if Dave let's Bryan finish his lunch. Because he sure won't let him finish a sentence
Mess aside, this felt like a 'true' AEW show, more young guys mixed with some veteran stars. Not packed to the gills. Was enjoyable
It absolutely did. It had that early AEW magic to it!
100% agree
Less is more for AEW. Every show doesn't have to be packed just a good mix and rotating stories.
Felt the same. Even having Sammy and Darby in the tournament. The guys who were once seen as the future guys but took a bit of a backseat to other people coming in . The whole world title tournament bracket is all OG AEW stars aside from Danielson
@@philiphaller1018 Danielson can win the title. He is a responsible figure & one last run can stabilize the situation
"A two hour conversation with Bill Watts that I got about two minutes worth of words in, if that"
How does it feel, Dave?
😆😆😆
I also like how he says he saw this coming for "months", yet for months and months he denied there was anything going on behind the scenes.
@@JDnumero1 That's typical Dave. Before the fact, he waffles and hedges his bets. After the fact, he acts like he knew what would happen.
Not defending Punk but isn’t Dave doing exactly what Punk said the dirt sheets reporting favorably for the elite and controlling the narrative making it anti punk
Does Meltzer ever let Alvarez talk before jumping in?? Jeez man it’s called conversation. It takes 2
not when he has to defend his boys kenny & the young bucks. basically a 30 minute rant about the bucks being great, being awesome evps, how everyone should wrestle like the bucks and how punk has been trying to destroy aew. Dave doesn't want to lose his 3 buddies who leak him all the aew news true or made up.
@@ads2686 Sheesh. The politics are too much for me. I just want the shows to make sense. That’s what I care about most
Not shocked Meltzer is batting for his boys. Punk may be a prick but he’s an honest prick. The Elite are just as bad as Punk on the topic of being power hungry in the wrestling business, the best example of that is putting the Trio titles on themselves.
To be a fly on the wall when Punk got home and AJ was standing there like “dude, WTF?!”
Oops I did it again
She’s like I’m done with you
I'm guessing she'd be on her husband's side. And I'd also guess they had been in contact before seeing each other face to face again
@@bigbastard_lol I feel sorry for her. Can you imagine being married to someone like Phil?
@@goomerdoctor9479 hi Britney
He brought up the Colt story cause he had all of you media guys in the room and the media has been gossiping about how it was Punk that got Colt kicked off of AEW. So he felt the need to address it face to face and squash it, because as he said, he’s been eating shit about it for a while.
Could he have been the bigger man? Sure. Did he have to go as far as he did with the moms bank account and stuff? No.
But it’s Punk. Buy the ticket take the ride. If he gets to the point where he has to speak on it, it aint gunna be pretty
"The Bucks have done more for the business than Punk"
Somebody will clip that & send it to Punk who will then try to suffocate Dave
Corny is gonna have a field day with that one. 🤣
They should lose their EVP titles as well.
You can't act like that when you hold a position of power.
The more the details come out they did everything right. Punk and Ace steel are actual children.
@@Hacksaw_HIM_Thuggin the details that came out are The Elite version of the story and haven't been reported by any other news outlet not to mention the fact it's totally unrealistic
@heinz573210 cry some more please and hope cm punk pays your bills
Love how meltzer puts no blame on the elite
He gave them 5 stars for getting their ass kicked.
I just made a phonecall to Dave. I was wondering why he would be so biased.
He told me he only did it to trigger you and all the other anti Meltzer marks.
He also said you idiots would be back anyway like always just to complain instead of following something you actually enjoy.
@@Krispen_Wah I’m not The Who’s triggered lol you’re the one name calling someone you don’t even know btw I like Dave I just don’t know why the EVP would confront him like that doesn’t seem like something management should be doing and if did that they prob should be removed as EVPs
He shouldn't. This is 100 percent Cm Punk fault
I love it when Alvarez brings up a good point that I don't think Meltzer had thought of yet so there's this pause where he's like "yeah that's smart I'll agree"
I've literally never heard of that happening once. Alvarez usually goes silent for 20 minutes out of fear he may say something dumb
i appreciate that dave actually thinks things through like that
@@alkin4389 wait... you think Brian will say something dumb? Not Dave 75 Word Vocabulary Meltzyweltzy?
Dave trying to act like he didn't start all this with his "reporting"
I actually like Omega and The Bucks, but this argument that Dave keeps making is absurd. Apparently wrestling has changed, and The Elite are the only ones on Earth who understand how modern-day wrestling works according to Dave. Punk apparently doesn't know how modern-day wrestling works, even though he's drawn the highest ratings, PPV buyrates, and ticket sales in AEW history.
Don’t forget merchandise sales, go look at the AEW shop and see who’s selling what for the week, for the month, for the year. Punk is delivering when it comes to the bank. He could’ve been wrong on all sorts of things, but the idea that he’s not making money is both weird and silly at the same time.
At which point does he make that point ? I'll skip to it.
Shocking. Dave is gargling the Elite’s balls yet again. Lmfao delusional
They don't need 2 b EVPs
Being a draw doesn't give one free reign to be an asshole.
When this investigation is done its going to be real interesting to hear.
33mins of burying punk, yeah sure unbiased 😂
As much as I was expecting it, he really didn't here. You guys are reaching on this one.
@@BabysitterSky huh? really?
He deserved to be buried and Dave and Bryan didn't even bury him here
@@stevenmurphy2782 Yes really... Punk started all this shit. After the match he knew he was hurt and was pissed and decided to nuke the company from orbit on his way out. Mission accomplished! Bucks and Omega hear that shit so they are gonna be pissed. So they confronted that idiot and then he ups the ante by throwing the first punch and a chair and having his boy friend bite Kenny.
@@jakesanders269 there's obviously a problem in the locker room. punk was wrong to call it out at a press conference but that's something that can be dealt with, that didn't nuke the company, the bucks decision to go into his locker room blew this up beyond what it should have been. there are plenty of egos in this, not just punk's. if this is treated properly it just brings more eyes on AEW.
13 minutes in and this just sounds like Dave is subliminally asking Tony not to fire the bucks and Kenny
Yep Dave is basically saying fire punk after his injury, and keep suckin the bucks/omegas little clucks.
Memeltzer is scared that his shill cheques will stop coming
They shouldn't be fired honestly
Who cares MJF is back … and every one loves the acclaimed
Push those guys, Starks, Hobs and Wordlow.
There's so many. MJF, Hobbs, Hook, Darby, Miro, Jungleboy, Starks, etc. etc. etc. They should stop obsessing over The Elite & Punk
@@drewspods Will you be cutting promos for Jungleboy? Because he sure as hell is not going to...
@@Krispen_Wah 😆😂💀
@@Krispen_Wah I feel like the gimmick fits not really needing to, if he played it up a little more. He just looks the part though, doesn't really play the part lol
6:55 His issue was that he used the fact that he shared an account with his mom as a way out of being sued.
It's almost as if Uncle Dave doesn't realize that these things are part of a larger picture. Punk doesn't care if someone shares a bank account with their mother in isolation but he cares when he countersues you and gets an email begging to drop the whole thing when discovery shows that his mom will be involved.
Punk may not care that much if Adam Page went into business for himself in isolation but when he does it under the pretext of Colt Cabana at the exact same time news stories come out that Punk got Colt fired then it's a BIG f@$king issue.
Punk and Cabana are basically the same as a couple that ended in a bitter divorce in terms of potential heat and everything went south when Colt's contract wasn't renewed.
@Art School Reject yeah the kind of guy who pays your legal fees and then you decide to get yourself your own lawyers and expect punk to pay for it. and when he tells you too fuck off try and sue him. and only dropped the lawsuit when punks lawyers wanted cabana & his mums bank accounts.
Dave can't help himself.
Stop interrupting everyone who they are talking
I’m not sure I’ve ever heard anyone you so many words in order to not make a point. Is this what people mean by work rate??
I lasted 8 minutes and can't take Meltzer anymore. He just keeps tossing up the vaguest word salads possible. I keep saying "get to it!" in my head. It's genuinely frustrating.
Dave just spent over 10 minutes Shifting the blame to cm punk
@@jorrodmackey5740 which really shouldn't have taken more than about 30 seconds
It's because he's trying to think of lies and excuses for his boyfriends.
@@bnb25 🤣
You guys should change the channel name to Y.B.P.A ( Young Bucks Protection Agency ) you’ve said very little about how the bucks abused their power as EVPS and they were more in the wrong for confronting punk when he was clearly pissed
Tell me exactly how the Bucks abused their authority? By going to reprimand the guy who just publicly embarrassed the whole company by airing personal grievances to the media? That’s not abusing their authority, that is literally their jobs as executives of the company.
You can hear the pain in Uncle Dave's voice the cool kids table is empty
Why does it take Dave 7 hours to make a point that most of us could in 1 minute????
because he's trying to think of a lie to protect his boyfriends.
Autism
because all his points become lessons is the history of wrestling, which sometimes i find interesting and sometimes brain numbing.
You really want to know why? Because you still show up to listen to it. If there were no people clicking the videos and subbing their service he would probably change something.
I think TK did what was best, vacate the titles, don't mention their names, put on a great show that focuses on the young talent, hopefully, everything gets sorted out.
I respected Tony how he addressed things.
Yeah then MJF came & addressed WWE. Pretty respectful of him to use WWE to gain heat instead of using Punk & EVPs.
@@santanu-fr thats the story here, and they will keep doing that so stop with "mention WWE to get heat" bullshit, he got most of the heat with just fooling the audience.
He's been pushed around for a while. This was a nice show of power. It's his company after all
@@arthurhex770The only bullshit is his promo. I guess people were correct when they said he's a one trick pony. Where did I hear his WWE promo? Oh yeah his last promo.
Tony Khan is the sole reason AEW exists. It’s his money and commitment. Cody, Jericho, the Jackson’s, Omega, Moxley all played their part. But acting like the Bucks are brilliant revolutionaries who are architects is ridiculous.
He's the most important party by a mile. But he was a wrestling fanatic and the son of a multi-billionaire for his whole life. He only started a company once the Elite created a built-in audience that could be counted on to support a new company. To say nothing of the relationships they cultivated for years with independent talent that was used to build a roster.
TK is by far more important but it doesn't happen without both parties.
Not the best executive decision to approach Punk at that point. Just from an administrative standpoint
He asked for a fight. If they didnt approach him he would continue insulting them like Page. They need to shut that girl up. I support the Bucks 1000%
@@thecountrystyle5670 such manly men ganging up on someone
I hear you. I also would like to know how did they approach him. If I was at least Kenny who was said to have been the calmer heads of the situation, I would’ve told the bucks let’s wait and sleep on it because emotions were high but they didn’t so I’m not totally confident they went over there not heated.
Bucks are bitches you can tell
@@BorrowedMemories Dont tell 3 people to come see you, then. When punk sues because he got a confrontation that he straight up asked for, i dont know how people can still act like hes some badass rebel. The bucks probably shouldve been better "executives," but just as men, i dont really have a problem with them confronting punk
Moxley is the one who put AEW on the map
Mox is the sandman of aew without the beer and cigarettes lol
LOL You think AEW is on the map
That would be MJF, he's the only thing that got people actually interested in watching. Moxley acts like he's mentally handicapped...
Agreed.
Mox left W.W.E. on a high note, battling Drew Mac for several weeks in the most entertaining fued of the company at the time, then dropped into A.E.W. with a match that had all the hype and got the people talkin'...
Tony's Daddies money put AEW on the map.
"Tony did nothing"
A good summary of the situation, and how it got where it got. Tony needs to start pulling rank instead of acting like his personal wrestler collection is going to "get along" because reasons. Three of your "executives" getting in fights, regardless of who started it, is a real bad look. Tony APOLOGIZING to Punk while Punk's just running it down makes it feel like he has no control over the situation.
He pulled rank by suspending everyone and vacating the titles.
@@THEATTKID After the damage was done....
Tony looked like a wuss sitting next to punk running down everyone and the company
But isn’t it sad that a grown man has to tell other grown men to get along or be civil? And who knows what he did, maybe he had conversations and no one listened. Maybe he didn’t think it was that intense. Who knows but from this incident I hope Tony has learned a lot.
@@hokiebuddy he wouldn't of been cutting Vince off. WTF did CM Punk mean by saying I'm trying 2 run a business?
I really hoped for some objectivity from Dave and Bryan on this story, but the former in particular is very blatantly siding with Kenny and the Bucks here. Always enjoy insights from these two (even when a 1-minute point takes Dave about 15), but there's no empathy with Punk and the frustration he must have felt going into that press scrum. Maybe if Dave had their legion of fans blaming him for Colt Cabana's shortcoming, he'd be pissed too. 🤷♂
Yeah Bryan and Dave should’ve thought that, if Kenny and the bucks had their titles stripped, then They clearly had to do something wrong
empathy for what? the guy acted like a petty little b*tch.
Dave has massively put over Punk's side, but the fact is you can't do what he did. The Bucks and Kenny should be punished as well, but Punk is a miserable fuck who has a complex
Ace Steel committed two class 3 misdemeanours. If the State's Attorney is a prick, that's probation, maybe jail time. Dave is giving him the benefit of the doubt and he's still biased?
Genuinely, you need to examine your own biases before accusing others.
Exactly. Its rediculous. Idk what his fasination with them is. But Vince is out, AEW is no longer the "Revolution". WWE is on fire, and its a better product finally. So AEW needs to adapt. Its clear Meltzer is saying shit that the evps have been slamming in his ear. Punk is "old" cant "change" rubbed people the wrong way but is real vague. I think the biggest issue with AEW right now is that anyone that challenges the bucks and omega are gonna get hit with a smere campaign.
This Meltzer mark couldn't make it any more obvious how biased he is to his golden lover Kenny Omega and his schills The Hardly Boyz
Id love to see Dave ramble when the Elite get sacked
Nah, Punk won't be coming back, the elite will be back.
@@spac18 7 on the elite side suspended 2 on punks side elite went on there 3 on 1 to start some shit 1 got slept and then they needed there 4 buddies to come to there aide. Punk isn't going anywhere he's the#1 draw for them the bucks n omega can easily be replaced. They have shown there star power isn't what they thought it was
Dave Meltzer’s is fuming that his boyfriends have been beat up and suspended 🤣
@@williambuchko5797 Interesting, how to you know they "went on there 3 on 1 to start some s.."? It's just as believable they went to apologise and clear the air and Punk started cussing them out as soon as they walked in. Neither of us were there, so how do you know?
@@JC-ok4yx there's plenty of talk of what happened just cause you're fixated on these bums with an angle to spin in the elites favor tells me alot. If punk was the aggressor why did 7 people on the elite side get suspended? 🤔 if punk was the aggressor why are they stripped of titles? Once the 3rd party investigation is done and the elite get shit canned you can come back here n apologize for being the mark you are
Oh I see now that Dave is playing damage control….he didn’t have this same energy until his little buddies got suspended now we are on this Punk in the wrong bashing session!🤦🏾♂️ Do you see why now that Punk blew up the way he did????
Glad somebody sees it. Clearly picking sides now.
@@cjflysociety1950 Let’s be honest the guy that was the face of AEW or the All In show was Cody Rhodes! These douchebag dumbasses were playing the background! How ironic none of this nonsense really started until Punk got into the title picture and then we started hearing a smear Punk campaign! I believe they pushed Cody out they’ve had problems with FTR and now Punk and these reporters like Dave are the reason Punk came off contentious because of this kinda bullshit he’s spewing on this video!!🤦🏾♂️
100%. It's the things like this that have been building up for months for Punk. Now Dave is going as far as saying that Punk carefully planned all this. Meltzer couldn't even respond when Punk confronted his BS reporting and now he's taking his chance to help bury him
@@bileductable Facts!!! He acted real scared when Punk called him out! This is why wrestling is drawing less than it has been and let me say this….Dave who knew who an Adam Paige was before AEW? Don’t worry I’ll wait!😂
@@Greatnes2009 now that we know him, we can say he is one of the worst world champions in AEW history
Dave reminds me of the adults huddled up rambling on south park
Dave’s pathetic crush on the young bucks is tarnishing his legacy
Dave let Bryan speak
Dave, you have attended numerous UFC press conferences where the fighters talk shit about the company or Dana. This happens regularly. I'm sure Dave isn't going to read UA-cam comments but come on lol. Punk clearly felt his media coverage has been unfair and when Hangman goes off script to and claims Punk is the reason someone lost a job when that person already sued him. Surely, adding this context would've been useful? Then we have Dave stating Bucks paved the way. Cody, Bucks and Kenny played a huge role but you can't have EVPs storm/walk into a personal locker room of guy who already critiqued on them few minutes back. Unfortunately Dave sounded like he was picking a side whereas Bryan Alvarez has been careful to be as neutral as possible.
Agreed, at least Brian‘s making an effort.
Punk went into business for himself.
He has his side, it's clear as water. Always was.
I can listen but I can spot when you're not being neutral or you're trying to follow a certain narrative.
Its not the same. UFC fighters careers are super short and they don't have to be okay with company decisions. They just need to get in the ring and fight. It doesn't matter what they think of the company cause them walking out or not fighting means nothing, whereas wrestling is dependent on people agreeing to decisions in the back and losing a fight to someone they may not like.
Stop excusing Punk because Hangman once said a line that no one knew referred to Colt. Punk was a child seating at home being mad that Hangman said something three months ago and then decided to go after the founders of the company, the soul of the company. Because Punk only cares about what is good for Punk and once he got his fill of AEW and their benefit to him he will walk away without caring what happens or how much he buried the talent in the back on the way there. He ruined his own story with MJF because he couldn't keep his personal issues to himself. Who cares what wrestling media says? What are you a child? They buried Punk for 7 years when he was away, now he suddenly cares what they write?
@@blablablaa14 Iol
And here was me thinking journalism was supposed to be unbiased.
Also, speaks volumes to the professional history of both people and wrestling as a whole that they don't know how suspensions and investigations work in an actual company. Mind-blowing.
Listen to Cornette speak about Punk and then him speak on The Elite. That's virtually Dave Meltzer but flip flopped lol.
Meltzer saying ppvs headlined by Adam Page drew better than ones headlined by Punk, tells you all you need to know about Meltzer... Yeah I am sure Adam Page is this huge ppv draw that's why those ppvs drew well. 7-star journalism, Dave.
Exactly if that was the case they’d probably be headed towards putting the title back on him
The numbers are the numbers, kiddo.
Yeah because the Revolution PPV people really bought that to watch Adam Cole Vs Adam Page and not CM Punk Vs MJF 😂
Dave is so sad.
Dave is a clown and Hangman is the least charismatic champion to hold any belt in AEW
Pathetic the way Meltzer and Alvarez take up for their crew the Cucamonga Kids Club...they can do no wrong
not hard to do when cm punk is such a prick.
Talk about Dave being bias…. Punk had every right to call out the bucks and Cobana… they made up false accusations and put it in the media about him to slander him, and at the end of the day you can bet your life on it if ftr were still in the building there wouldn’t of been a chance in hell the bucks and omega go and confront punk. Good on punk for not taking their shit like everyone else seems to do.
Dave is complaining about Bill Watts not being able to get in many words with him. Obviously, he doesn't pay attention to his own conversations.
Remove to evp status and give them to Regal, Henry, Wright or someone who had more experience in the business.
Why? What did the bucks and Kenny actually do that was bad?
@@andy2069 Kenny nothing, Bucks are leakers
@@andy2069 rumors that they kicked in the door and were just being threatening in general to an employee. But it doesn't even matter, active wrestlers shouldn't be involved in the management, serious conflict of interest. Give it to older wrestlers who are more experienced and seem to be getting paid for nothing so far lol.
@@andy2069 They're exects. They handled that whole situation like children.
"Something like this would NEVER happened under Vince"
Are people conveniently forgetting that Nailz choked Vince out, and that Bret knocked him out? lol
Great point
@@Orrand_One Thanks
@ny giants fan raider fanBut i thought Vince was sooooo good at maintaining control of his locker room?
Nailz and Bret sure showed Vince a ton of respect in those incidents, eh? lol
Face it, pal. Vince wasnt as respected as WWE has conditioned you to believe..At least no wrestler has ever put their hands on Tony
Yes. It is very weird to me that people think there is no learning curve for Tony. Like, Vince just invented a successful promotion out of thin air.
@@Nostalgia9478 You do realize you are only coming with two incidents in 40 years of being the boss. Tony has been around for 3. Come back with that point in about 20 years, and it might have relevance.
Something specifically like this would never have happened under Vince because he would never have been a mark and an idiot, and named a bunch of active "wrestlers" as VP's. Vince never even had an active wrestler booking for him. The office and the boys were always separate.
And I am certainly not a WWF honk. I stopped watching that promotion in 1998. I just live in reality, not spin world.
Half hour of burying Punk and not mentioning any blame by the other participants..... Then Dave wonders why people think he's bias towards the Elite and crew.
Dont worry im sure corny will do the same on his podcast, bury the elite and dickride punk 🤗🤗
How does Brian Alvarez not fall asleep when Dave is talking…lol😂
😂
He ain't exactly the most eloquent individual in podcasting either.
Can't wait for Meltzer and Alvarez to talk about the Backstage Brawl at the UFC 279 Press Conference for 30 Minutes on Observer Radio.
I didn't get the whole "he shares a bank account with his mother" thing as if Cabana was living off Mom rather than sharing an account to take care of her. I'm sure that he did tell Punk let's stop all this (because now the lawyers are coming after my Mom), but it's not quite as sinister as it was made to be. That tells you all you need to know about CM Punk.
Punk has a restraining order on his mom. His brother stole from him. His dad was a raging drunk. He doesn’t know what a healthy relationship looks like.
The first time maybe, but the second time he mentioned it was definitely supposed to be derogatory.
Exactly, Punk insults a man for taking care of his mother just because he doesn’t take care of his. I’m sure Colt did some asshole things but that’s just about the only valiant thing he’s ever done lol.
The reporter didn't even bring up Cabana, Punk did.
Exactly, I was thinking the same thing. It's a funny line but in all actuality, Colts probably taking care of his mom
22:40 I love how DM plays it off like the media didn't have a part to play in this. So Dave uses words like "imaginary" to make it seem like Punk was delusional at the time.
Typical media. They create the "news" then pass the blame off.
Come on, we all know Dave is really really really really really neutral. He’s not biased at all man. How could you ever come to that conclusion? It’s not like his website ran an article about the scrum in which they literally removed Dave’s name from the quotation by Punk.
It was reported by several outlets that many believed Punk was responsible for Colt being fired. That means someone started that rumor. They have worked the same show since Punk joined AEW, so they truly don’t give a fuck about what each other do as long as they don’t have to interact, but someone started that rumor. It’d make sense that it was someone close to Colt that started it, so it’s not a stretch to say it was someone associated with the Elite. They could have started that rumor and still not have directly told the media that it was Punks fault. It could have made its way around so much that it’s super hard to track down the source.
Yupppp. They are to blame for a lot of these issues by reporting rumors instead of actual facts. Like right now the investigation is going on but they still feel entitled to know what’s going on or what actually happened.
Dude why does suddenly wrestlers care what is said in wrestling media about them? Why do they suddenly care instead of just burying them as they always do? Its a joke that Punk got mad at media. You're 42, get your shit together
It's amazing Mush Mouth can talk while performing felatio on the PWG boys
Dave’s bias on full display
i hope brian last plays this to jim cornette. lol will be gas
Jeezus is this a newsletter or a loveletter to the bucks and omega
Well, they are Dave's best buddies 4 life, and Dave long ago decided that was more important than having credibility.
😆 it sounded like they broke up. Uncle dave has no 5 stars to give out now.
He’s not lying. The Bucks and Kenny were the reason AEW happened
@@alistahr No, it happened because a billionaire's kid decided he wanted a new toy to play with.
@@BadstreetMI that’s cute you think that, but AEW wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for The Bucks, Kenny, and Cody. It’s not even debatable.
The irony of Dave saying Bill Watts talked too much and he only got to speak 2 minutes max.
Remove the EVP titles and give them to former wrestlers, actually qualified people.
The Elite need to know that this isn't their company, it's Tony's. So unless Kenny is going to go marry Tony's undiscovered daughter and play the long game, they should cut the Kliq 2.0 bullshit.
19:20 Lmao🤣 No way fans are done with AEW. If they withstood these past 2 decades of Vince’s bad product then they’ll stay around for this.
Can tell you if the ELITE leave many of us will cancel. It's all elite wrestling not all punk wrestling.
@@bumblefoot5 Re-read my comment.
@@TheAc550 eh? You said no way fans are done with aew. Well... I'm a fan and if the ELITE go so do I. Why am I to reread your comment?
Hopefully some of the talent who’ve been relegated to Elevation/UA-cam purgatory take this window of time as an opportunity to get themselves over to Dynamite or Rampage 🤷♂️ This is what Vince calls “grabbing the Brass Ring” 😂
Bryan and Vinny need to read the comments about Dave's problem on the interruption, because it's getting out of hand now. 😏
On the video itself, it's clear that these guys are biased and they're shilling for the Bucks. I've lost all respect that I've had for them.
I'm sure the anti Elite Camp loves talking to Dave, since he is a neutral party. 🤫
i can tell you that the anti Dave camp will still be listening to Meltzer in 10 years....
Dave and his biased journalism! Great work once again
neutral journalism doesn’t exist anymore even in the mainstream media, your best bet is to just listen to someone with a bias you agree with more.
Omega and the Bucks could have gone in swinging sledgehammers, and Meltzer would still be blaming Punk for the situation. And he'd probably give the formers a 5 star review.
To give credit where it's due, Tony stepped up and last night show was as good as it could possibly be, given the circumstances, and it's the first time in months I'm optimistic about the future, especially after that awesome Moxley promo
Tony is ballless it's all about $$$ and his so-called statement he didn't say anything
Funny Vince McMahon didn't get this credit after the screw job or Sasha Banks/Naomi incident.
@@KoolKumasi Sasha and Naomi weren't the top talents in WWE lol.
@@aromega10
Here goes the caveats 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂, TK is a horrible boss period. McMahon whether you liked him or not didn't have spats publicly like this to happen in front of Mark tabloid writers
Except he's responsible for this mess
These guys had no business being executives. Such a conflict of interest
Bryan alvarez and his uncle dave were finally called out for their bad reporting. Don't cry uncle dave!
How can Meltzer/Alvarez and Wrestling Observer have any credibility on this story? They are very much involved in the whole thing, are close friends with the Elite and simply cannot be objective. At no point here have either of them ever considered Punk’s side to it, that the Elite may have behaved inappropriately as well, and that they certainly did not start AEW from nothing. Khan’s billions may have played a part and the signing of major, non-indie talent bringing in a wider audience. Also I think Cody’s contributions in the early days are totally forgotten now. But none of that is acknowledged by these “journalists”.
Meltzer explicitly cites 'Punk's side' of the story several times, not just in this video but throughout his entire coverage. As friendly as they are with the Elite, they realize they weren't there. It's possible both 'sides' are wrong and a third party will eventually tell the more accurate story.
Why did you listen then?
This BS shows you have not listened at all. Meltzer explicitly stated that Punk and his side are giving their account of things while The EVP's are giving their side of things. At no point has he ever stated one side as fact. Also, He has readily stated that he was not there. He has also publicly and empthatically stated that Punk's claim that the EVP's leaked info to him was completely false. Fianlly, he has reported Punk's side of things several times. At no time did Meltzer ever state that the EVP's were innocent. They have plenty of credibility and have reported this fairly. YOu are a PUnk mark mad that he refuses to claim Punk's story to be fact.
@@PepsiMan666 They also have stated they weren't there publicly not to mention that he also reported that AEW Head of Legal witnessed it and her account will be the decider.
ps Punk has not brought in a wider audience. The AEW's viewership is is exactly the same now with Punk as it was before Punk got there. Also, as Dave stated, Tony was not going to start the company without The Bucks and Omega.
I love how Dave Avoided Codys name during talking about founders of AEW lol
Yep it was Cody's name that made the company NOT the bucks, omega or Page. Almost no one knew who they were other than 50 indie fan boys.
Sickening.
Oh come on, the son of the American Dream can’t be that valuable to founding a wrestling company. I’m sure three guys that were big in Japan is much more important.
@@Ultra_Light_Beam Actually The Bucks weren't big in Japan. No one there knew who they were. That was just Dave putting them over.
@@bnb25
Dude, the Elite were the draws of the company, Cody was a part of the Elite, but he wasn’t THE draw, especially at that time. Kenny was the leader of the group and was widely regarded as one of (if not THE) best wrestlers in the world, coming from his tremendous success and fame in Japan.
Cody’s popularity started to skyrocket AFTER AEW started and he was having great matches and storylines. But before that, he was no mega star whose sole name value could carry a company.
As far as after that rant, Tony did the smart think with the punishment, I hope he starts to take this shit more with an iron fist and stop allowing people to step on and over him, I always have liked Tony outside of that but maybe he finally learned from a situation his "executives" caused, which should have been fired from that title and honestly never given it to begin with.
If it wasn't for Bucks and Omega, Punk will still be getting his ass kicked by amateur fighters and Tony will still be a mark like you. Well not like u, ur a broke ass
punk caused that shit by shooting on everybody just cause he assumed the evps leaked some shit which they didnt and cause he was butthurt that hangman sayd something he didnt like, hangman isnt even a evp. Crybaby punk made everybody look stupid cause his little feeling where hurt. Punk also threw the first punch so if someone caused it its him
Wrong
CM Punk almost done a Hulk Hogan. Come to a hot company, and almost put a bad light on it. John Moxleys Promo saved the day
Yeah its punks fault they started shit by lying to media and then hangman going into business for himself lol nothing was done until they kept pulling bullshit., the fact marks blame punk shows why aew won't take anything to the next level with people who are to blame,. Punk said nothing until now, unlike the young bucks who spread nonstop bullshit and lies and got called out. By the way, punk has been aews biggest draw, so you might want to look at the situation differently. If this was the industry it was before these guys wouldn't have made it because shit like this got peoples asses beat.
Also - can we get Jacob Fatu in AEW to wreck shit like he did in MLW?
I don't think his contract is up in MLW.
No idea why he re signed with MLW. He’s way too good not to be on regular national tv.
@@MrRyanlennie2005 I agree. That being said MLW does deserve national TV the product is generally great. It'd be better if they had the money to spend.
The rumor about Jacob is that people are gun-shy about him because of his criminal record. Granted, AEW let Nick Gage on television, but Warner seems to dictate things to them about who can be on television now, so who knows what the vetting process is.
@@rl318 he’d be an amazing get for them. Absolute stone cold killer.
My sister is a big time Philadelphia corporate lawyer and she says CM Punk has a strong case for a lawsuit against AEW because he was attacked by an Executive Vice President of a company....CM Punk is stubborn and I would say there is less than 1% chance you will see him on AEW TV ever again
I hope he comes back, wrestling needs punk....
dave meltzer can't get one coherent thought out of his head without repeating himself, going on a tangent, and throwing in half a dozen self-corrections
He used to talk clearly years ago.
He talks clearly it just takes a while for him to get tto it. And he has to make sure he ain't exposing his plugs.
It's because he's trying to think of excuses and lies for his boyfriends.
@@shadyhavok1 he used to not speak like that, something happened to his brain like a couple of years ago. There are recordings of dave from 20 years ago, he used to be normal.
How is Tony going to book good shows without scary talents like Michael Nakazawa and Brandon Cutler?
Damn. I hadn’t thought of that. AEW is doomed, bruh!
I don't have all the information necessary to make a judgement, but Punk clearly escalated the situation at the media scrum. He gave Hangman his "receipt" when he buried him in his return promo, that should have been the end of it, but he just went right back on the warpath. I have to imagine stuff was said by the Bucks and/or Kenny to set him off, otherwise, why keep this going?
The promo was Punk's receipt. But I guess Omega and The Bucks had a problem with it. So in typical Bucks and Omega fashion they tried to bury Punk about Cabana being moved to ROH through other wrestling media outlets. Which really pissed him off
That's why Punk never main evented wrestlemania. He is not a company guy. He is a selfish hypocrite.
Punk has been getting a lot of boos lately, even in Chicago, so I honestly believe that set him off even more. In his mind, The Elite tried to sabotage his run as a babyface by turning the crowd against him. Not saying I agree or disagree with it, but I'm assuming that's where his mind is at.
@@Jock544321 but making that pubic risking your company and business? That’s not professional. No matter what somebody else did to you. Punk included. Receipts are no excuse. This is 2022. Act fucking professional and make your money and move on. If you’re offended by someone’s actions go to your superiors. Let them deal with it.
That’s what everyone else does at their jobs. Not get revenge or try and humiliate them in front of a live audience.
Stop acting like children, that goes for everyone.
@@Jock544321 They didnt leak it multiple wrestling journalists sayd the didnt get the info from them, its just a stupid assumption like everybody could have told them that, its a fkng dirtsheet story which easy could have made up by what ever journalist, punk is just such a huge mark for himself, biggest drama queen in pro wrestling working with HHH was beneth him, AEW is beneth him everyone but him are kids and didnt do shit in the business, as a big punk fan in the past hes a embarrassment for himself. He also threw the first punch.
It's sad a man Dave's age is such a simp for the "cool kids" he want's to be one of them so bad. He'll excuse anything they do. Getting a pop doing things wrong to an audience of 20 drunk people at an indie show doesn't mean you're over or successful. Some of these people got where they are because they are friends with the 4 stooges that suckered Tony into making them "EVPs". If it wasn't for their influence on Tony a lot of them would still be working backyards and High school gyms.
People are ignoring the real victims in this. Target store managers.
Kind of a biased take from Dave IMO.
Clearly
More like astronomical bias
I love that Dave gets pissed when wrestling company don't give him the dirt so he can make money off of the dirt
Just give Mox another lengthy reign already, dude is at the top of his game and delivers in the ring and on the mic every single night
Nope give the belt to Bryan Danielson who then should drop it to MJF
Please no, he's awful as champion. The only good champs in this damn company were Jericho and Punk
nah Mox said on Dynamite, he's supposed to be on vacation.....
In the Punk/Steel version, The Young Bucks went to Punk’s locker room after he finished at the presser. He didn’t answer when they knocked, as he was wiped out from his match with Jon Moxley during the PPV and the “emotional” scrum. So Matt & Nick Jackson pounded on the door, and eventually “kicked the door down.” Ace’s wife was in the room. According to Wrestling Observer, Mrs. Steel has a broken foot and was watching Punk’s dog Larry (who will be a key figure in the other side’s account). Concern for his wife is what set Steel off, reportedly throwing a chair at Nick and biting Kenny Omega.
Interestingly, Fightful’s write-up of this side does say that Omega was initially calm until things got out of hand. The entire scene was “very long,” and included a heated verbal exchange even after the men were physically separated.
In the Elite version, The Bucks went to talk to Punk, “just like he told them to” (he’s said some variation of “if you have a problem with me, I’m not hard to find” on multiple occasions). They didn’t barge in, but as soon as they entered the room, before anyone said a word, Punk threw punches aimed for Matt Jackson’s head. Nick tried to intervene, which is when Steel threw the chair at him, hitting the younger Buck in the head.
Omega is also calm in this account, and was said to primarily be worried about Larry, who was agitated and barking. Kenny took Punk’s dog out of the room and tried to get Steel off of Nick, which is when Ace pulled his hair and bit him. This telling of events agrees that the war of words continued after the violence ended, but claims Punk repeatedly threatened legal action during the shouting portion of the fight.
P.S. Meltzer is pretty one sided in favor of the Bucks for some reason. Barely heard "there are faults on boths sides." Just an observation. Lastly, Meltzer, stop cutting people off, especially before you have a complete thought. That is all.
Bryan: “What’s going on, Dave [Meltzer]?”
Dave: “You tell me.”
Dynamite insider info as always, Dave.
proceeds to spend 30 minutes repeating everything the bucks had leaked to him. "bucks are great, bucks are awesome evps, everyone should wrestle like the bucks, punks a dick trying to destroy aew. oh and how hangman is actually a massive draw and drew big ppv numbers which had nothing to do with punk vs darby, punk vs mjf and punk winning the title. if all out draws bug numbers it won't be because of moxley punk it will be because everybody wanted to watch the trios title match. the trios title that no one wanted apart from the bucks & omega.