@@zachbush7923 yeah I think Pete rose's should of been overturned years ago I mean the guys 80 now be a shame if they overturn it after he passes an he don't get to have that moment
Whenever you mess with the outcome of a game you screwed it up for everyone. Pete bet on his team to win....Pete put himself against the line while I don't think he crossed it his arrogance rubbed people the wrong way and forced the commissioner to act the way he did. But the commissioner got to full of himself to which is why it needs to be corrected
In hindsight, Rose now looks like a pioneer. The MLB network now features a daily weekday show all about betting on baseball. They might as well call it the Rob Manfred Presents the Pete Rose "Making Winning Bets on Baseball for the Everyday Fan" show.
LMAO...exactly ! The ultimate hypocrisy GABP in Cincy this season opened a Sportsbook INSIDE the ballpark ! Getting in bed with sportsbooks sponsorships is NOT great optics for ANY legitimate professional sports league ! It's like a group of Nuns opening a porn production house inside the Vatican !
I am sorry. He should not be in the HOF. There is a sign in EVERY locker room that clearly states the punishment in you gamble. Rose decided to ignore this. If you do not want future players to follow in his foot steps then the ban must stay in place. If you let Rose in to the HOF, what message are you sending? Do not worry if you gamble on the game we will eventually take you back. Not acceptable. I feel sorry for Rose. Great player and a good manager. As the theme song of an old television show said: "Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time".
@@TL2354 I am sorry because he was a great player. It sucks he is not in the HOF. He does not deserve to be in but I can still understand what fans are saying here. I just do not agree with them.
Nothing better than seeing someone making a point while throwing down the line from the song on the TV show Baretta especially since it's Sammy Davis, Jr.
Yeah I agree. I do agree with Dan though if their was ever proof that he gambled as a player then I can’t put him in but if we are inducting him as a player and he bet as a manager I think you can put him in. And I feel like at this point if you put him in nobody will care in that you’re not going to get people protesting it.
Somebody hit 4200 hits. He was great. Put him in. Also Shoeless Joe. A lot if it is Pete’s fault. He would be in if he admitted it. He will get in one day hopefully.
As soon as Baseball partnered with Sportsbooks...they BOTH should have gotten in ! Along with deserving members of the "Black Sox" like Eddie Ciccotte ! Talk about hypocrites !
Won't happen. I just checked the calendar and today is still in range for a permanent ban in Major League Baseball. Tomorrow seems to be in that range too. I'll let you know when a date shows up when a permanent ban expires.
Oj Simpson, murdered two people he's still in the NFL hall. Babe Ruth, was a very known RACIST he's still in the hall. David Ortiz, tested positive for PED'S and he still got in. So baseball has it's dirt for sure so we can go on and on guys do ur research!
@@terenceturner8201 This is a case totally about Pete Rose and no one else. If you want to start a campaign to get OJ Simpson out of the NFL Hall of Fame I'd be all for that too. If you want to get Babe Ruth out of the Hall of Fame for his racism, then start that campaign too. If you want David Ortiz out for his steroid use, then go ahead and start that campaign. Other peoples' issues are not the items that should be the basis of what gets Pete Rose in, but they are good points on what should keep people out. David Ortiz never broke any rule that states you will be permanently ineligible and either did Babe Ruth. Pete Rose did break a rule that states that and the way he handled the entire mess (that he created) has gotten him to where he is today...outside of the Hall of Fame. Now go and do your research on Simpson, Ruth, and Ortiz and get your campaigns going to get them out.
I honestly think they are going to wait until he dies to put him in and not give him the pleasure of living through the experience and/or gaining anything financially from the status upgrade for more signings & speakings
The one thing ppl forget is that the year after Rose got banned, Reds hired another #14 in Lou Piniella who wore #41 as the Reds skipper, & led that team to a wire to wire season that culminated in a World Series sweep of Oakland. Would Pete Rose have done that? Absolutely not. The obvious question was what the heck was Pete doing to that Reds team during the years he managed them?
Here's what Pete was not doing in the years before Lou. He wasn't managing Billy Hatcher, Glenn Braggs, Randy Myers, Tim Layana or Mariano Duncan. All of whom had if not career years, near career years.
I think what people fail to realize is ( and I am a huge Pete fan and have NO DOUBT he should be in as a player and MLB are just being Pricks...which they have a long, rich history of doing...the reserve clause, ban on Black players, hiding steroid use to make big $$$ then taking a "Holier than thou" attitude and punishing the same players they co - erced to take P.E.D.'s ) even betting ON your team is wrong, especially as a Manager. Baseball is a marathon...162 games. You have to make decisions on what's best for the team in the LONG run. If you have bets on your team in individual games. You might bring in a reliever that needs an extra days rest, you might play some players that are tired , injured and need a day off. In fact you could possibly in doing some of those things get guys seriously injured because you need them to play to win your bet TODAY, as opposed to giving them the day off to have them for the long haul ! So yeah, what he did was wrong...but he did it as a manager and it had no effect on his unbelieveable numbers as a player. The man had 4,256 career hits ! That's AVERAGING 200 hits a year for over 21 years ! How many guys have more than 5 200 hit seasons in a career ? He is the only player with over 500 games played at FIVE positions ! He's also the only guy to be an All - Star at 5 different positions ! I saw him play...a lot ! Grew up in Cincy, saw my first game in 1970. While Pete may have cheated Baseball as a Manager...he NEVER cheated the fans as a player ! The guy had ONE speed...all out, all the time. When you watched him play you didn't know if the Reds were up by 10, down by 10 or tied ! If Pete had 3 hits, he wanted 4, 4...he wanted 5. And you NEVER saw the man NOT bust his ass down the line even on routine pop ups or grounders. And we all know you see a lot of that nowdays !
The rule is posted in every locker room and Rose knew it. Gambling nearly killed baseball. Disagree about Rose wanting more money by not getting in . . . He wants in, his playing more than deserves it . . . but I agree, he doesn't get in until Joe Jackson does
How? If I knew my coach was betting on my team to win or if I was betting on my own team I’d be even more passionate and push harder to win. It’s obviously wrong what he did, but he has served his time.
In my opinion, when MLB turned a blind eye during the McGwire/Sosa homerun chase, it lost its position on Pete Rose with me. Baseball needed a shot in the arm at that time and absolutely took advantage of the situation just like the all-time hits chase with Pete.
The instant MLB signed contracts with FanDuel and DraftKings, they lost all moral authority to keep Pete Rose out of the game. And Pete Rose bet on his team to win. He wasn't putting up all these prop bets that you see when you turn on MLB Network to watch a game.
Solution is simple. Give him his statue in the HOF. But don't ever let him have a job managing or anything else. This guy is ridiculous. You can stack your lineup for one day and give it away for another day when you bet on your own team. The rule was NOT you can bet on your own team, it was you cannot bet period.
Every time the sports news gets slow this issue gets dusted off and brought out to fill up the time until something happens. He gambled. He’s out. Forever
Rose also bet as a a player. They have evidence going back to 1978 supposedly (MLB). Pete is an addict and never got help. However, once MLB signed a deal w/the MGM Grand Sportsbook and allowed teams to sign local deals, their opposition to Rose's candidacy was rank hypocrisy. Put him in. Plus, Bonds and Clemens.
The problem with this point is Rose broke a rule where he knew what the punishment was. It's not like he made a mistake one night and placed a bet on his team. He placed hundreds of bets on baseball for years. Pete Rose kept doing that knowing if he ever got caught he would be banned for life. The poster boy was Joe Jackson who had a Hall of Fame career too. What more did Pete need to see to know what would happen to him? Just because baseball signs a deal with the MGM, that doesn't mean they are saying "ok players go out and bet on our games now." It makes for an arguing point, but it doesn't mean much in Rose's case. Rose has only himself to blame on where he is, and his apologies are very shallow and he's still not truthful about it all.
@@roland7584 Hi Rolan, all great points. Well said. Yes, his admissions are very shallow. He is a degenerate, not doubt about it. The guy admitted to statutory rape. No saving this guy. But I will always think that MLB's embrace of gambling is a disgrace, based on the history of the game. They are helping to spread an addiction. Beer companies help spread addiction and also don't embrace 0 tolerance laws, which would help. People are responsible for their own actions, but why facilitate an environment that makes it easier to break the law/rules? It is hypocrisy. What is the difference between a drug dealer on the street and a sportsbook? Or a beer company? Or big Pharma?
Pete Rose should 100% be in the Hall of Fame. With that said, I can't stand the argument that he only bet as a manager and in doing so, only bet on his team to win. Come on, let's use some common sense here. Is it possible that's true, yes, but is it likely? In my opinion he absolutely bet as a player and he probably made any bet that he thought would net him a monetary win. None of that should keep him out of the Hall of Fame as a player, but he brought this on himself and the attempts to diminish how bad the gambling was make him less sympathetic.
@@dpdip Great take, DP. Yes, I agree he did bet as a player. We now know the first investigation into his gambling lasted for years, but MLB chose to do nothing (cocaine became the bigger sin). And I also agree he probably bet against his team. He was a degenerate. No doubt about that; one of the worst cases of an inveterate gamblers I've ever seen.
I think he should be in and I think he’ll get in eventually. Betting in sports has opened up much more recently and unlike 1919, baseball and sports no longer have a bad reputation when it comes to betting. I think the league will eventually realize this and lift the ban, but I think that’s only if betting on sports is allowed federally because then the morality of betting no longer is bad.
Pete Rose will be in the high baseball Hall of Fame when he dies he’s been penalized from baseball for life the penalty will be over with when he dies then he’ll go into the Hall of Fame
i don't agree with what pete rose did betting on baseball and all but what gets me is the fact that mlb didn't come up with the rule banning ineligible players from the hall of fame until after he agree to his ban. I also feel that he should be in because he didn't compromise the integrity of the game unlike bonds clemens sosa mcgwire etc. they should be placed on the ineligible list for compromising the integrity of the game.
@@terrytitus5291 exactly he knew about all of it and didn't do anything until people started expressing out rage over it then he hired mitchell to investigate kind of reminds me of the movie 8 men out when commiskeys attorney suggested an investigation because they had to appear to be leading it. just to make him look clean in the matter. that's all it was
@@rossdilworth3412 again I"m not saying i agree with what he did because I don't but as far as we all know he didn't bet on the reds to lose that would be compromising the integrity of the game obviously he played to win the game. so i don't see where he compromised the integrity of the game. the steroid cheats on the other hand cheated to break records. that's where i see the difference.
@@danielcorreard3746 It doesn't matter if you bet for your team to lose or win. It compromises the very credibility of the game. He's not getting in, so this argument is pointless.
Pete Rose should have been immediately reinstated the first time MLB was televised on a Bally Sports network. To pretend they still care about gambl...We interrupt this post for a word from Caesers....gambling is just a frigging joke.
Pete Rose would have made alot of money as a Hall of Famer.The Hall is going to put in Garvey and Rose after they die,perhaps Luis Tiant.Remember clean boy image with Garvey,the Hall voters will never let him live it down!!!
First of all - people need to realize we are only talking about an official declaration and bust of Pete Rose in the HOF. Pete is in the HOF in many ways: His bat, uniform, pictures during record-setting moments are all in the Hall. I say NO - he cannot be officially let in because he broke a sacred cardinal rule - in which all players know full well the punishment if they break the said rule. With that said - none of the steroid fools should ever get in - for the same reasons.
@@TheSacred55 It was clear. It was The Cream and The Clear. The problem though is there was no rule permanently banning anyone from baseball for doing them. I'm not saying they should get in, but Pete's rule definitely says he can't get in.
MLB didn't celebrate him throughout the whole thing. He couldn't even get a job even though he could still hit better than 85% of the league. At worst case, he'd have been a great DH for the last few years of his career in the AL and would have gotten to 800 hrs. No one seemed to make as much noise for Bonds during that time but somehow Pete Rose is still a story 30+ years later for doing something that clearly states you will be out of baseball forever.
He didn't make that claim. He said he believes he bet as a player but there's no proof. So he made no claim. The only claim he did make during that part of the clip was that he knew Pete was making bets through the same bookie as his. He didn't say he knew Pete was making baseball bets though. He only knew that he was making bets through the same bookie. The funny thing is though, there is proof that he bet when he was a player. The proof came out in 2015 when they disclosed a notebook with bets of Pete's from games from the 1986 season.
Listen, Houston Astros kept their 2017 rings. Baseball is TAINTED (to put it in perspective, baseball is BROKEN). Pete Rose is a HoF. The stereoid era players should go into HoF then. Reinstated the status of Shoeless Joe. When I see justice served when Astros removed from the 2017 championship, then we talk about JUSTICE (Note: for the record, I am NOT a Dodgers fan).
I don't think Reggie bush(bush didn't cheat he took what was offered to him and now college athletes get paid....so Should he get it back now that times have changed...yes...same with pete....both school and hall of Fame profited from both players. give them their day)should have the Heisman taken anymore than Pete should be in the Hall of Fame. Now everyone keeps moving the goal posts to convince themselves Pete doesn't belong in the Hall. Assuming he bet as a player because he did as a coach is irresponsible. You don't know. Can I assume coaches made less than players because they do now. When in the past most coaches made more than players in the past.
Oh but rock raines was just as good as Tony gwynn, of not better, war tells you that. Just like abreau is just as good as Vlad. You don't believe it, look up their war. This is why these types of players are making the hall. Because of a flawed stat like war.
People Pretend That Pete Rose Committed Some Brutal Crime by Betting on His Team as a Manager and Should be Banned for LIFE from Hall of Fame...Why?...Because of What Some SIGN says in a Locker Room?...Grow up and Get off Your High Horse
They've got 100 things in baseballs hof so they should take everything down if the committee feels like that Next to ty cobb to get a single I ll take pete and manny Mota to bat lol
Baseball is the only sport not to have their greatest players in the HOF…also Patrick just another crooked guy in a suit who knows nothing about being a professional athlete
Should Pete Rose be in the Hall of Fame? Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes , Yes , yes, yes .yes, yes!!! Baseball is the toughest sport to excel at the major league level there is so much competition. The difference between the best player in the majors and the best player in the minors is so small. We need heroes that played their hearts out. Gambling never affected Rose's play not even 1% negatively. Chewing tobacco is a lot worse.
@@rj-vj8gr You can forgive on a personal level, if the person is remorseful, but that doesn't mean you just allow all evil to be rewarded -- that's an entire misreading of faith.
Doesn’t matter if Rose didn’t bet his team to win or lose he gambled while active. He knew the rules and was an AVID gambler. He himself took this lifetime ban
If Pete bet didn’t bet on the Reds when certain guys started or faced certain pitchers then it’s giving a bookie the hint that he doesn’t expect to win
If Bonds never tested positive then he should be in Hall.
... Never happen
@@TheSacred55 why not?
Absolutely. And the more we learn of that era the more players we know were on some form of PEDs.
He cheated we know he cheated there is enough circumstantial evidence on that to choke a camel..
It's crazy that two of greatest players that ever lived wont be in the hall of fame. Rose & bonds
They'll get in eventually. The more time that passes the likelier it becomes that they get in.
@@zachbush7923 yeah I think Pete rose's should of been overturned years ago I mean the guys 80 now be a shame if they overturn it after he passes an he don't get to have that moment
And shoeless Joe Jackson
Shoeless Joe still ain’t in the HOF and he did less of a bad act than either of them
Whenever you mess with the outcome of a game you screwed it up for everyone. Pete bet on his team to win....Pete put himself against the line while I don't think he crossed it his arrogance rubbed people the wrong way and forced the commissioner to act the way he did. But the commissioner got to full of himself to which is why it needs to be corrected
In hindsight, Rose now looks like a pioneer. The MLB network now features a daily weekday show all about betting on baseball. They might as well call it the Rob Manfred Presents the Pete Rose "Making Winning Bets on Baseball for the Everyday Fan" show.
LMAO...exactly ! The ultimate hypocrisy GABP in Cincy this season opened a Sportsbook INSIDE the ballpark ! Getting in bed with sportsbooks sponsorships is NOT great optics for ANY legitimate professional sports league ! It's like a group of Nuns opening a porn production house inside the Vatican !
If Pete Rose isn't in the HOF then you should just close it. What a joke.
So punish everyone because one person broke the rule. Pretty soon we'll all have to turn in our cars because I saw someone speeding today.
I am sorry. He should not be in the HOF. There is a sign in EVERY locker room that clearly states the punishment in you gamble. Rose decided to ignore this. If you do not want future players to follow in his foot steps then the ban must stay in place. If you let Rose in to the HOF, what message are you sending? Do not worry if you gamble on the game we will eventually take you back. Not acceptable. I feel sorry for Rose. Great player and a good manager. As the theme song of an old television show said: "Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time".
What are you sorry about?
@@TL2354 I am sorry because he was a great player. It sucks he is not in the HOF. He does not deserve to be in but I can still understand what fans are saying here. I just do not agree with them.
Nothing better than seeing someone making a point while throwing down the line from the song on the TV show Baretta especially since it's Sammy Davis, Jr.
In the last about 30 years, players get paid so much, the incentive to start gambling is pretty low. For most, it's once you start, it's hard to stop.
Pete Rose should be in the HOF.
Yeah I agree. I do agree with Dan though if their was ever proof that he gambled as a player then I can’t put him in but if we are inducting him as a player and he bet as a manager I think you can put him in. And I feel like at this point if you put him in nobody will care in that you’re not going to get people protesting it.
He should get in postmortem. It's Morbid, but fair. He does deserve to be in but his infractions are questionable.
Somebody hit 4200 hits. He was great. Put him in. Also Shoeless Joe. A lot if it is Pete’s fault. He would be in if he admitted it. He will get in one day hopefully.
He should be in the Hall of Fame. However, he should be banned from baseball permanently.
No. He shouldnt be in the HoF. Hes a liar and a cheat and if you believe he didnt bet against the Reds, I gotta bridge to sell you.
Honestly, I feel like no one gives a damn about the Rose ban anymore. I say lift all his bans and let everyone move on with their lives.
and his plaque should read was banned from baseball for life for gambling on baseball.
Pete, Barry, & Clemens should be in. They ruined it. Blame them. It's no one else's fault. You can't bet on a game you're involved in.
Bonds and Clemens didn’t bet on anything
PETE ROSE H.O.F
A bookie would bet heavy when Rose did not bet on his team.
Shoeless Joe Jackson needs to be in the Hall of Fame before Pete Rose.
As soon as Baseball partnered with Sportsbooks...they BOTH should have gotten in ! Along with deserving members of the "Black Sox" like Eddie Ciccotte ! Talk about hypocrites !
Put Pete in The Hall. Don't wait any longer.
Won't happen. I just checked the calendar and today is still in range for a permanent ban in Major League Baseball. Tomorrow seems to be in that range too. I'll let you know when a date shows up when a permanent ban expires.
It doesn't make any difference whether he bet on his team to win or lose. I don't understand that argument at all.
If Pete Rose, isn't in the hall nobody should be in. Period
Rose broke Baseball's unbreakable rule! He should never get in the Hall of Fame, PERIOD!!!
So Pete Rose f'd up and thus you want to punish everyone? This is why our leagues need commissioners so they can do the right (sane) thing.
Oj Simpson, murdered two people he's still in the NFL hall. Babe Ruth, was a very known RACIST he's still in the hall. David Ortiz, tested positive for PED'S and he still got in. So baseball has it's dirt for sure so we can go on and on guys do ur research!
@@terenceturner8201 This is a case totally about Pete Rose and no one else. If you want to start a campaign to get OJ Simpson out of the NFL Hall of Fame I'd be all for that too. If you want to get Babe Ruth out of the Hall of Fame for his racism, then start that campaign too. If you want David Ortiz out for his steroid use, then go ahead and start that campaign. Other peoples' issues are not the items that should be the basis of what gets Pete Rose in, but they are good points on what should keep people out. David Ortiz never broke any rule that states you will be permanently ineligible and either did Babe Ruth. Pete Rose did break a rule that states that and the way he handled the entire mess (that he created) has gotten him to where he is today...outside of the Hall of Fame. Now go and do your research on Simpson, Ruth, and Ortiz and get your campaigns going to get them out.
It doesn't matter if he bet on his team to win or to lose, it does not matter.
I'm assuming you're saying either way he can't get in, which is extremely correct.
@@roland7584 Gambling by players will kill every league, every time.
@@jamesbingham1007 No doubt about that. It's amazing that many people don't understand that.
ABSOLUTELY
Yes one of the best that ever played Baseball.!!!
I honestly think they are going to wait until he dies to put him in and not give him the pleasure of living through the experience and/or gaining anything financially from the status upgrade for more signings & speakings
they never put shoeless joe in so I doubt they will even put him in then
The one thing ppl forget is that the year after Rose got banned, Reds hired another #14 in Lou Piniella who wore #41 as the Reds skipper, & led that team to a wire to wire season that culminated in a World Series sweep of Oakland. Would Pete Rose have done that? Absolutely not. The obvious question was what the heck was Pete doing to that Reds team during the years he managed them?
Here's what Pete was not doing in the years before Lou. He wasn't managing Billy Hatcher, Glenn Braggs, Randy Myers, Tim Layana or Mariano Duncan. All of whom had if not career years, near career years.
Mayb but those were Petes boys not Lou
@@gregwatson8219 they were his boys but he didn’t manage them correctly
I think what people fail to realize is ( and I am a huge Pete fan and have NO DOUBT he should be in as a player and MLB are just being Pricks...which they have a long, rich history of doing...the reserve clause, ban on Black players, hiding steroid use to make big $$$ then taking a "Holier than thou" attitude and punishing the same players they co - erced to take P.E.D.'s ) even betting ON your team is wrong, especially as a Manager. Baseball is a marathon...162 games. You have to make decisions on what's best for the team in the LONG run. If you have bets on your team in individual games. You might bring in a reliever that needs an extra days rest, you might play some players that are tired , injured and need a day off. In fact you could possibly in doing some of those things get guys seriously injured because you need them to play to win your bet TODAY, as opposed to giving them the day off to have them for the long haul ! So yeah, what he did was wrong...but he did it as a manager and it had no effect on his unbelieveable numbers as a player. The man had 4,256 career hits ! That's AVERAGING 200 hits a year for over 21 years ! How many guys have more than 5 200 hit seasons in a career ? He is the only player with over 500 games played at FIVE positions ! He's also the only guy to be an All - Star at 5 different positions ! I saw him play...a lot ! Grew up in Cincy, saw my first game in 1970. While Pete may have cheated Baseball as a Manager...he NEVER cheated the fans as a player ! The guy had ONE speed...all out, all the time. When you watched him play you didn't know if the Reds were up by 10, down by 10 or tied ! If Pete had 3 hits, he wanted 4, 4...he wanted 5. And you NEVER saw the man NOT bust his ass down the line even on routine pop ups or grounders. And we all know you see a lot of that nowdays !
I think he should absolutely be in. Nobody is perfect
Hell yea he should be!
The rule is posted in every locker room and Rose knew it. Gambling nearly killed baseball. Disagree about Rose wanting more money by not getting in . . . He wants in, his playing more than deserves it . . . but I agree, he doesn't get in until Joe Jackson does
When you start trying to justify Rose's betting by saying 'he bet on his team to win' you've already lost the argument.
How? If I knew my coach was betting on my team to win or if I was betting on my own team I’d be even more passionate and push harder to win. It’s obviously wrong what he did, but he has served his time.
@@jasonquinlan1733 doesn't work like that.
Supposedly there was a big MLB players gambling problem early in the 20th century, but HOFers from that period were not prosecuted for it.
YEP. Rose fd up but the guy was phenomenal.
One of the true all-time greats who always gave 110. He has not been given enough credit for his high IQ and complete dedication to the art of hitting
I remember my grandpa saying "let's go down to Riverfront and watch the Reds not bet on baseball."
In my opinion, when MLB turned a blind eye during the McGwire/Sosa homerun chase, it lost its position on Pete Rose with me. Baseball needed a shot in the arm at that time and absolutely took advantage of the situation just like the all-time hits chase with Pete.
Nope..
Knew the rules and he knew if he broke them he would be out..
The instant MLB signed contracts with FanDuel and DraftKings, they lost all moral authority to keep Pete Rose out of the game. And Pete Rose bet on his team to win. He wasn't putting up all these prop bets that you see when you turn on MLB Network to watch a game.
They always have a "but" for, Pete Rose. The only guy who defends him is, "Mad Dog"
MLB journalist and commentors who bet on baseball should not be allowed to vote for hof nor cover the sport in any way.
He is the Hall of Fame. Stats don't lie.
i think the unspoken reason pete is not in is that they had evidence he bet against reds and part of the deal was mlb would never make it public
We're not talking about Joe Jackson. He was a player.
Still arguing over Pete in the Hall as MLB Owners continue to have meetings about putting sports betting windows in at the stadiums. 🤔
Solution is simple. Give him his statue in the HOF. But don't ever let him have a job managing or anything else. This guy is ridiculous. You can stack your lineup for one day and give it away for another day when you bet on your own team. The rule was NOT you can bet on your own team, it was you cannot bet period.
Every time the sports news gets slow this issue gets dusted off and brought out to fill up the time until something happens. He gambled. He’s out. Forever
Now that they having betting machines in MLB stadiums, he should be in!
Rose also bet as a a player. They have evidence going back to 1978 supposedly (MLB). Pete is an addict and never got help. However, once MLB signed a deal w/the MGM Grand Sportsbook and allowed teams to sign local deals, their opposition to Rose's candidacy was rank hypocrisy. Put him in. Plus, Bonds and Clemens.
The problem with this point is Rose broke a rule where he knew what the punishment was. It's not like he made a mistake one night and placed a bet on his team. He placed hundreds of bets on baseball for years. Pete Rose kept doing that knowing if he ever got caught he would be banned for life. The poster boy was Joe Jackson who had a Hall of Fame career too. What more did Pete need to see to know what would happen to him? Just because baseball signs a deal with the MGM, that doesn't mean they are saying "ok players go out and bet on our games now." It makes for an arguing point, but it doesn't mean much in Rose's case. Rose has only himself to blame on where he is, and his apologies are very shallow and he's still not truthful about it all.
@@roland7584 Hi Rolan, all great points. Well said. Yes, his admissions are very shallow. He is a degenerate, not doubt about it. The guy admitted to statutory rape. No saving this guy.
But I will always think that MLB's embrace of gambling is a disgrace, based on the history of the game. They are helping to spread an addiction. Beer companies help spread addiction and also don't embrace 0 tolerance laws, which would help. People are responsible for their own actions, but why facilitate an environment that makes it easier to break the law/rules? It is hypocrisy.
What is the difference between a drug dealer on the street and a sportsbook? Or a beer company? Or big Pharma?
@@roland7584 Well said.
Pete Rose should 100% be in the Hall of Fame. With that said, I can't stand the argument that he only bet as a manager and in doing so, only bet on his team to win. Come on, let's use some common sense here. Is it possible that's true, yes, but is it likely? In my opinion he absolutely bet as a player and he probably made any bet that he thought would net him a monetary win. None of that should keep him out of the Hall of Fame as a player, but he brought this on himself and the attempts to diminish how bad the gambling was make him less sympathetic.
@@dpdip Great take, DP. Yes, I agree he did bet as a player. We now know the first investigation into his gambling lasted for years, but MLB chose to do nothing (cocaine became the bigger sin). And I also agree he probably bet against his team. He was a degenerate. No doubt about that; one of the worst cases of an inveterate gamblers I've ever seen.
Go home. Tell your kids there are no more rules. Do what ever you want. No more rules.
@J I was quoting Johnny Bench. one of Roses ole teamates
I think he should be in and I think he’ll get in eventually. Betting in sports has opened up much more recently and unlike 1919, baseball and sports no longer have a bad reputation when it comes to betting. I think the league will eventually realize this and lift the ban, but I think that’s only if betting on sports is allowed federally because then the morality of betting no longer is bad.
Put Pete in!
Yes.
Put Pete in the Halls Of Medicine. Remember those commercials?
haha.
His dad used to be a bookie
O I know!
lol.
but seriously HOF doesn't make sense without Rose.
I like the way he says "looosee" forgettabout it!
Absolutely
Awww poor Pete he had to buy a ticket to go to the game like the rest of the fans. Poor guy.
Pete Rose will be in the high baseball Hall of Fame when he dies he’s been penalized from baseball for life the penalty will be over with when he dies then he’ll go into the Hall of Fame
i don't agree with what pete rose did betting on baseball and all but what gets me is the fact that mlb didn't come up with the rule banning ineligible players from the hall of fame until after he agree to his ban. I also feel that he should be in because he didn't compromise the integrity of the game unlike bonds clemens sosa mcgwire etc. they should be placed on the ineligible list for compromising the integrity of the game.
Why is Selig in,he absolutely knew what was going on!!!
@@terrytitus5291 exactly he knew about all of it and didn't do anything until people started expressing out rage over it then he hired mitchell to investigate kind of reminds me of the movie 8 men out when commiskeys attorney suggested an investigation because they had to appear to be leading it. just to make him look clean in the matter. that's all it was
Betting on games is the worst kind of compromising the integrity of the game. And obviously MLB agrees with me.
@@rossdilworth3412 again I"m not saying i agree with what he did because I don't but as far as we all know he didn't bet on the reds to lose that would be compromising the integrity of the game obviously he played to win the game. so i don't see where he compromised the integrity of the game. the steroid cheats on the other hand cheated to break records. that's where i see the difference.
@@danielcorreard3746 It doesn't matter if you bet for your team to lose or win. It compromises the very credibility of the game. He's not getting in, so this argument is pointless.
All three will eventually get into the hof, but posthumously,
Leo Dorcher beted on games as a manager
Yes Yes Yes
Pete Rose should have been immediately reinstated the first time MLB was televised on a Bally Sports network. To pretend they still care about gambl...We interrupt this post for a word from Caesers....gambling is just a frigging joke.
PETE ROSE NEVER TOOK ANYTHING TO INHANCE.... HIS GAME.... HE BELONGS IN THE HALL... HANDS DOWN
He broke the NUMBER 1 rule in All sports, no gambling. Do you realize the damage that can do to any sport at any level!!!
Inhance? What is that?
I like Russo, but he looks like he’s coming off a bender here. But the man knows his baseball.
basically pete already is in the hall of fame his glove bat and cleats are already in so he is basically in the hall.
Yes
Yes for hall.U can ban him but hof is a difft thing.He was a hot player put him in
Pete Rose would have made alot of money as a Hall of Famer.The Hall is going to put in Garvey and Rose after they die,perhaps Luis Tiant.Remember clean boy image with Garvey,the Hall voters will never let him live it down!!!
Pete should, with an asterisk. Same as Roger & Barry.
Mad Dog with the boomer angle
First of all - people need to realize we are only talking about an official declaration and bust of Pete Rose in the HOF. Pete is in the HOF in many ways: His bat, uniform, pictures during record-setting moments are all in the Hall. I say NO - he cannot be officially let in because he broke a sacred cardinal rule - in which all players know full well the punishment if they break the said rule. With that said - none of the steroid fools should ever get in - for the same reasons.
Only difference is Bonds and Clemens never failed a test and were never suspended so people are just guessing without proof
@@TL2354 oh it is a lot more than just guessing my friend... The evidence is clear
@@TheSacred55 It was clear. It was The Cream and The Clear. The problem though is there was no rule permanently banning anyone from baseball for doing them. I'm not saying they should get in, but Pete's rule definitely says he can't get in.
Wow, thanks for this inside info
Then there's should be very few player in the hof. Everyone is on steroids for the last thirty or so years, and still a great many guys before that.
Russo is to political , not honest. Pete Rose is top 5 in Baseball History. Hell never go in because of the pro sports hypocrisies.
I thought Joe Jackson was a lifetime ban ..? 🧐
Mlb celebrated bonds throughout the whole thing.
Let them all in. Who cares at this point.
MLB didn't celebrate him throughout the whole thing. He couldn't even get a job even though he could still hit better than 85% of the league. At worst case, he'd have been a great DH for the last few years of his career in the AL and would have gotten to 800 hrs. No one seemed to make as much noise for Bonds during that time but somehow Pete Rose is still a story 30+ years later for doing something that clearly states you will be out of baseball forever.
Patrick just stated that Rose bet when he was a player, but there isn't any proof. So, how can he make that claim?
He didn't make that claim. He said he believes he bet as a player but there's no proof. So he made no claim. The only claim he did make during that part of the clip was that he knew Pete was making bets through the same bookie as his. He didn't say he knew Pete was making baseball bets though. He only knew that he was making bets through the same bookie. The funny thing is though, there is proof that he bet when he was a player. The proof came out in 2015 when they disclosed a notebook with bets of Pete's from games from the 1986 season.
Listen, Houston Astros kept their 2017 rings. Baseball is TAINTED (to put it in perspective, baseball is BROKEN). Pete Rose is a HoF. The stereoid era players should go into HoF then. Reinstated the status of Shoeless Joe. When I see justice served when Astros removed from the 2017 championship, then we talk about JUSTICE (Note: for the record, I am NOT a Dodgers fan).
I don't think Reggie bush(bush didn't cheat he took what was offered to him and now college athletes get paid....so Should he get it back now that times have changed...yes...same with pete....both school and hall of Fame profited from both players. give them their day)should have the Heisman taken anymore than Pete should be in the Hall of Fame. Now everyone keeps moving the goal posts to convince themselves Pete doesn't belong in the Hall. Assuming he bet as a player because he did as a coach is irresponsible. You don't know. Can I assume coaches made less than players because they do now. When in the past most coaches made more than players in the past.
No, he doesn’t deserve to be in the Hall. We probably only saw a small portion of what he bet on.
Shoeless Joe, Rose, Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod - in. Baines, McGriff, Rolen? C’mon.
Oh but rock raines was just as good as Tony gwynn, of not better, war tells you that. Just like abreau is just as good as Vlad. You don't believe it, look up their war. This is why these types of players are making the hall. Because of a flawed stat like war.
He bet as a player
People Pretend That Pete Rose Committed Some Brutal Crime by Betting on His Team as a Manager and Should be Banned for LIFE from Hall of Fame...Why?...Because of What Some SIGN says in a Locker Room?...Grow up and Get off Your High Horse
They've got 100 things in baseballs hof so they should take everything down if the committee feels like that Next to ty cobb to get a single I ll take pete and manny Mota to bat lol
Gwynn is first for me. Raked every year.
Dan is so soft
Like Charmin.
Baseball is the only sport not to have their greatest players in the HOF…also Patrick just another crooked guy in a suit who knows nothing about being a professional athlete
Should Pete Rose be in the Hall of Fame? Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes , Yes , yes, yes .yes, yes!!! Baseball is the toughest sport to excel at the major league level there is so much competition. The difference between the best player in the majors and the best player in the minors is so small. We need heroes that played their hearts out. Gambling never affected Rose's play not even 1% negatively. Chewing tobacco is a lot worse.
come down off your high horse
Rose will get in the Hall of Fame but he'll never have his day in the Sun 🌞
No! He cheated and lied.
Nope.
@Mr.Brenman21 if your religious, doesn't the Bible say you should for give??????
@@rj-vj8gr You can forgive on a personal level, if the person is remorseful, but that doesn't mean you just allow all evil to be rewarded -- that's an entire misreading of faith.
@@TheBigInning so everyone that comes out of prison doesn't deserve a second chance?
@@rj-vj8gr His religious what?
You can't put theses guys in steroids guys and gambling guys not goid for the game
Doesn’t matter if Rose didn’t bet his team to win or lose he gambled while active. He knew the rules and was an AVID gambler. He himself took this lifetime ban
If Pete bet didn’t bet on the Reds when certain guys started or faced certain pitchers then it’s giving a bookie the hint that he doesn’t expect to win
Bingo
Yup. N if he owed, the bookie might wipe some of that clean for the added info of having him on the books as a better.