1972 Chevrolet Chevelle vs 1970 AMC AMX - PURE STOCK DRAG RACE - no commentary
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- 1972 Chevy Chevelle Super Sport 454 drag racing 1970 AMC AMX 390. Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race. FAST Factory Appearing Stock Tire Factory Stock.
First car is a 1972 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 454. Other a 1970 AMC AMX. The Chevy Chevelle SS454 features a 454 cubic inch V8. The AMC AMX has a 390 cubic inch V8. The Chevelle Super Sport 454 was rated 270 net horsepower (around 345-350 gross hp). The AMC AMX 390 was rated 325 horsepower (gross). Both the Chevelle SS and AMC AMX have a 4-speed manual transmission. The Chevy Chevelle SS454 has a set of 3.73 rear gears. The AMX as a set of 3.91 rear gears. The Super Sport Chevelle weighs 3788 pounds with driver included. The AMX with driver weighs 3441 pounds. Original testing of the Chevelle SS 454 shows a 0-60 of 8 seconds and the quarter mile in 15.1 sec @ 93 mph. The AMX ran 0-60 in 6.5 seconds and the quarter mile in 14.68 sec @ 92 mph. There were 5333 LS5 454 Chevelles/El Caminos produced in 1972. 4116 total AMC AMX were produced in 1970.
Remember, both cars participate in the Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race series, so please check out their website: www.psmcdr.com
Also make sure you find them out on Facebook.
The rules for PSMCDR are listed below:
For 1955 to 1979 musclecars built in United States and Canadian assembly plants with a minimum warranty of 12 months and 12,000 miles.
Any car running faster than 11.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Any convertible running faster than 13.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Casting numbers must be correct for the year and horsepower claimed including intake manifold, heads, and exhaust manifolds. Blocks do not have to be "numbers matching," but they must be the correct displacement. Overbores up to .070" are allowed. Stock cranks only.
All Engines - 1.5 extra points allowed over advertised.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed.
The valve train must be factory stock for the year, make, and horsepower claimed.
The ignition system must be stock, including the distributor, cap, coil, and wires. Points may be replaced with any electronic conversion that fits under the stock distributor cap.
The carburetor must be correct for the year, make, and horsepower claimed. Jetting and metering changes are permitted. THE CHOKE ASSEMBLY MUST BE IN PLACE AND FUNCTIONAL!
Cast-iron exhaust manifolds are mandatory and must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed. Internal modifications to the exhaust manifolds are NOT allowed. Under no circumstances will headers be allowed, including those cars that came with headers delivered in the trunk. Pipes must be routed as they were originally for the year, make, model, and engine combination. Mufflers must be stock looking in design, that is, oval in shape. No glasspacks or straight pipes allowed unless installed as original equipment. Maximum muffler inlet and outlet size is 2.5 inches. X & H pipes allowed.
The radiator must be correct for the year, make, model, and horsepower claimed. No lightweight, aluminum radiators allowed.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed. Duration at .050" lobe lift must be within 1% of factory specs. Lift at the valve must be within 2% of factory specs. Maximum stall limited to 2200 rpm.
The transmission must be correct for year, make, model and engine of the car. 3-speed manuals may be upgraded to the correct 4-speed if originally available.
The rear axle must be of the same manufacturer as the car. Any gear ratio is allowed.
Reproduction tires or radial tires only.You are allowed to run tires one size over stock.
Factory wheels only.
Disclaimer: The Cars And Zebras UA-cam channel is a news channel bringing results/news of drag racing with added history of automobiles. All footage/pictures used were either captured by the Cars And Zebras channel, or used for critique purposes under Fair Use.
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I DECLARE THAT AMX TO BE OUTSTANDING
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I owned a 1970 AMX 390 Go Pack! What a machine! If only....I had it now. I bought it for $1,200.00 in 1972. I have had many cars since then (I am 68 now) but none have been near as fun as that one.
Been an AMC fan since 1968, as I bought new a 1968 AMX. 343 go pac with auto and 3.15 rear gears. The 343 had so much locked up potential. In 1971 changed cam to the factory stock type 2 or what was then called "the white stripe" cam. More lift and greater duration over the 343 cam. Edlebrock R4B intake with larger Carter 9625 carb. Cyclone exhaust headers through 2 1/2 in. full exhaust. Big difference was rear gear change, going from 3.15 to 3.73 gears. In the day, raced a 1970 AMX with go pac, 390 , 4-speed and 3.54 rear gears. Could not beat the AMX, but stayed next to him all the way till we quit. The 343 was making almost the same horsepower. My problem, as was with the 1969 SC Rambler as well, was not getting enough traction with the 14 in. tires. That little 343 engine sure made a believer out of me.
Bought a 401 sst jav late 80s for 400...shocked how much torque that thing had, put my cammedup 327 to shame.
OH YEAH. Dig that AMC. I don't remember the last time I even saw one in person.
The beautifully styled 69-70 AMX always remained high on my dream car list. The 72 Chevelle has a nice interior and body, but by 72 not the thumper she once was in previous years.
The AMX looks absolutely timeless
I'll take the AMX all day any day!
You will lose all day every day
@@michaelraddish7898 Depends...there are some wicked fast 390 and 401 Javs and AMx out there. Factory heads even
That AMX looks crazy nice. I can’t imagine the cost of that restoration.
Yeah, where do you find parts for one of those?
Yeah it was a nice lookin car
@@danmyers9372 buy 3
@@danmyers9372 Were almost at that point in time where we can make OEM or better parts for pretty much anything..I worked for an AMC/Dodge, etc dealer as a tech, after AMC was no longer I ordered a ton of parts for my own AMX race/street.I would sometimes have to order doubles to get parts that were worth putting on the car. I'm guessing some of the remaining stock Chrysler acquired were defects, damage, returns, etc I should of have bought it all.
This just ain't the same without the voice over!! Loved it!! Funny and made it so good and different from other channels. Now it's no damn different than 100 other channels doing the same thing!! BRING HIM BACK!!!
My brother had a 1970 AMX same color,first car I drove over 120 mph an absolute thrill to drive! Of course I got caught and got my ass stomped , best stock race car I ever drove!
Funny how compact AMC was able to make the 390!
it was their standard small block bored and stroked from the factory.
The engine's outer dimensions are small. It's a small big block . The 390 - 401 are good to around 650 + hp with rods, pistons, valve train upgrades,4 bolt main kit, anything higher that is expected to live requires a lot of specialized components. The engine is capable of 1000 +hp with a turbo, but it wouldn't last very long.
Ohhhh...that '70 AMX made my eyes water.
I love underdogs, and this AMX did not disappoint!
No way that 454 was stock. Sounded cammed. Both cars very nice but AMC all day baby!
I thought the same thing when he started it!
Goodday C & Z,
Thank you for looking after us AMC fans.
Great racing on both occasions.
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Nice but there’s no way that is a 1972 stock 454 in that chevelle and it sounds awesome.
news-flash genius....neither car is stock. But that's fine because if you read the description box you'd see they allow mods in the Pure Stock class.
Yep, nice lope though!
Yes, but that 454 was cammed up to where it would barely idle.
Oh man both ultra cool but if I had my choice I'd have to go with AMX even though it got outrun. Just so few of them still around. As I stated before I like the "Edgy" look of them too. Thanks for the vid!
That AMX is cool! Back in the '90s I had chance at a bittersweet orange '69 390 four- speed AMX. I missed out. Missed out on a '68 383 Formula S Barracuda as well. They would have been great bookend's for my '71 Challenger...*sigh*
My 70 AMX was a blast. It was stock except for tires, clutch, and brake pads. 360 with Go Package, 4-speed, 3.73 posi. Very competitive with Z28s, Boss 302s, and 340 Six pack Cudas. We street raced back then like the idiots we were. btw both the AMX and the Chevelle were cammed.
RUles allow tweaks on the cam profiles
1972 Chevelle,the best car in the world in my eyes!!...I'm talking about to me,and not the fastest in the world but definately the nicest and most valuable car to me!!..And it's an SS454,best one that year could bring to the line!!..
I actually thought the AMX would take down that Chevelle, with the lower compression, smog motor 454.....much respect to the AMX for shutting down that GTO...impressive. Two really great races! Thanks for posting.
I actually did too. It had a 390 rear end, weighed less also.
But... That Chevelle motor wasn't stock. It didn't sound that way from the factory in 72.
@@AzTurboMini that’s what I thought too. Not a factory cam
I was thinking same same thing .. truly camed
Looks to me like the Chevelle jumped him off the line or would have been closer race.
@@AzTurboMini a stock LS6 didn't sound like that supposedly stock LS5 did. Non stock cam and way higher compression ratio. It ran near 2 seconds faster than the 72 published time. Published times are rarely if ever matchable, but are never beatable by 2 seconds, assuming both drivers could drive a manual trans.
Those AMC's were way underrated
Why don’t you put the actual specs the Chevelle is running? Clearly not 8:5:1 compression 270 hp or the AMX would’ve walked all over it.
Exactly!
270 net horsepower is approximately 330 to 350 gross horsepower, 10 more horsepower with the removal of the smog pump.
All 3 cars are amazing looking. But the AMX is always my favorite.
Great races! Thumbs up!
That AMX reminds me of our delicious ketchup! Try some on your golden French fries and get hooked like it's crack!
I had a ‘69 SS Chevelle 396…man what a sweet ride!!! With either of these rides who would be disappointed!!! 👍✅
65 GTO…my first car in high school 11th grade 1974. Senior year…a 70 GTO 400cid, 4spd, Holley 800 double pumper. Later on in life I had a 68 and another 70. God, I love Goats!! :)
The race with the GTO, the AMX makes a move at mid track, usually where a Pontiac does it's best. Give the AMX it's due. Bet the 4.10s slow that Goat.
Wish those 2 were put together for a best of 3.
Those cars look sharp 🔪
😳
Not as sharp as your Knife.
Chevelle obviously no longer has 8.5 to 1 compression!!
GM mandated no more premium fuel cars shortly before 72
@@avastyeescurvydogs true but this Chevelle may have been modified..
Love the specs. So cool to see what the classics were originally made of. Love the video. Awesome run by both cars.
what a great race
Had the '72 SS with 402 big block and Hurst 4 speed. Loved that car, it was really nice. Stock paint and interior, it had hood pins as well. Sold it to a friend to help purchase my first home.... still regret that to this day .
I'm A lifetime chevelle fanboi but dang that's a nice amx
Gorgeous AMX!
Yep, seen that coming 💪
My dream chevelle
That AMX is SWEET!!!
The Chevelle had a much faster and cleaner launch in the first race, but the AMX still almost made up the difference. You really need multiple races like this in order to determine which car is definitely faster
Had the AMX launched better, the outcome very well may have been different.
Crazy how the AmX ran 13.7s? 100ish then next day a 13.5 at 100
THat is still a respectable st car that can be driven daily
I don’t remember the 72 idle so rough. Guessing it’s not stock cammed
Missing the commentary, hope all is well.
They're both really nice
No way was the 72 stock with an thumpy exhaust note!
I started out with a 67 Nova then a 64 Cuda and coming home from Nam bought a 71 Challenger 440 trip power 4 speed
That’s where Starsky & hutch stole the paint scheme for their turdy Torino....
I LOVE the AMX 390!!
Close race considering the AMX is manual & you just know the Chevelle autobox will be 'optimised' to within an inch of what's allowed for stall speeds/lockup/valving for Factory Stock. That's not a dig at the Chevelle btw, rules are there to be pushed to the limit.
Detroit Muscle! Chevelle SS love them! Had a 69 AMX 401 4speed. Tore up Camaros in Detroit
Discovered the 72 SS Chevelle when I was about 13 and has been my favorite muscle car ever since. Discovered the AMX/Javelin line at about the same time. Always like the AMC design with exception to the Hornet body AMX Spirit.. Never owned AMC. Had a 72 Chevelle and a 73 Malibu Laguna.
The Chevelle driver nailed it out the gate.
and the AMX still kept up
Miss your awesome commentary. Videos still great.
AMC was a great company, way ahead of the times.
It cracks me up when people think stock cars were fast. You could make them fast, especially with modern technology, but they were not fast...
They were mostly all 14 sec cars
Put a better tire tune up headers like the mfrs knew they would things changed.
89 Id get aked why my 69 SS 350 Camaro was so tame....well it was bone stock
Miss the days of picking up a clean driver for 3-4k for a daily though.
I always thought the last great year for the Chevelle was 1970. The last year for the double headlights. The switch to the big single beam light just ruined the look of the car for me.
The AMX was always sweet. I was a big Trans-Am fan back then and those Javelin/AMX's that Penski ran were the cats meow.
I don't understand why the javelin and the AMX weren't popular they are gorgeous cars if I compare them to the Mustang and the Camaro my opinions they are better-looking when they're not moving they look like they're moving they are good-looking cars with an aggressive look if I had a choice which one I like better it would definitely be the AMX Chevelles Mustangs Camaros Etc are all common cars Javelin and AMX aren't
Good call.
I’m digging both cars. But if I to choose one and drive away with it, it would be the Chevelle.
These cars had mods they are not stock from factory. I would like to know the details on each car.
Odd - in the bonus footage of the AMX racing a GTO, the AMX had a quicker time than against the Chevelle, but a lower trap speed. I would think that the quicker time would also give a faster speed at the end. As close as the race was, I doubt that the AMX eased up on the throttle at the end.
What's sad about the 1972 Chevelle is there's other aspects of it that I like better than the 1970. For one thing, the rounded tail lights and the wheels are more aesthetically pleasing. Just imagine if the 1970 model had those things going for it WITH the added horsepower. So they lost 100 horses but gained looks
LOve the grill of the 71-2 so much better. Had a couple 70s
@@gordocarbo That, too
It’s crazy how ridiculous these car prices have gone up. It would be amazing if we could buy the highest performance model of a new muscle car for only $25,000 today.
Dont see why they, or a good truck should run more than that. 50k plus is insane. Nfw could the avg working joe afford one
02 I bought a new loaded LS SIlverado, listed for 21, 23k? 502 dollar pmt. Swore Id never finance another car again
In 72 they held back the horsepower The AMX is my favorite I still love the.chevelle
FOR 1970 AMC HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD AND MADE IT DISAPPEAR !!!! I WAS ONLY 7 , ITS AMAZING I CAN REMEMBER THOSE DAYS INCLUDING THE GIRLS WITH THE DEPIDY DEW , HOT PANTS OMG I WAS IN HEAVEN AT THE PARTIES WITH SPIRIT IN THE SKY , JOY TO THE WORLD , SMILE A LITTLE SMILE FOR ME ROSEMARIE , HEY THERE LONELY GIRL , WHATS GOIN ‘ ON , SHOW AND TELL .....
Very Good!..
That's a nice Chevelle but that AMX😍
Dig both those cars, was secretly hoping for the under dog but tough to overcome that 454 low end
No way that Chevelle was stock. Just based on the HP and weight of the Chevelle from that year compared to the AMX the AMX would have dusted it
Rules allow for certain internal mods...not many but-
I've always thought an AMX is just cool would be awesome to own one.
Super unique esp the 70. That dash they have is just awesome.
Had my chance late 80s to buy a 70 390 4spd AC AMX for 3500...pale yelllow. All original, decent driver
I came back 2 days later on Monday, guy sold it Sunday for 5k. I was crushed...never seen one since
It’s hard to beat 454 Cubic Inches especially when it’s been properly “Built”. Both cars are Awesome in their own right. Ahhhh… to go back and relive the ‘70s and’80s
AMen!! Love both cars....Chevelle is so classy in that color...but having had a 401 Jav Id take either one
Both are beautiful cars, I have a 73 Javelin now.
Keep it!! You never see those anymore. Late 80s I was 18? BOught a 71 SST white bucket interior baby chit orange...loved that car
pure burnout machine. Nobody else at cruise night had one wish I hadnt sold it but had to ge tmy Camaro back on the road
Min wage back then was crap
I agree the AMX was a killer sleeper. I had a 1970 Hornet, but, not the amx. I really liked it, my wife didn’t, so we went shopping, she picked “The VEGA”. What a loss, just like a Buick we bought in 1979. We had a 1974 AMC Matador in 1974, hot rod, it screamed, after the Vega soured. I wanted the AMC American with the 390, a real hot rod. But not family car, insurance went hi!
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ARE MISSED 🏁
Question have the chevelle
the LS5 454 ? With the 365 hp ?
I kinda wanted to pull for the AMC but I'm a Chevy man,lol!
To think that AMC used the same exact engine but built with different specs depending on the model and application of the vehicles they produced. They truly built an engine that can do it all.
The engine was originally designed by Packard and that was the reason for its strength. I bought my 71 SC360 from a salesman who's father worked for Packard Motors.
Thought that was the coolest thing!! You could have 400 cubes but looked like a 290? And not heavy
Even with high emissions the 72 Chevelle can still kick ass bone stock!!
...it's barely kicking ass against a small block AMC. It wouldn't stand a chance against a 401 AMX Javelin today just like it didn't stand a chance in the 60s and 70s in the Trans Am races
@@NeuKrofta Well i'm not looking to dispute anything!! Or come clashing down on the AMC production,or you but i think honestly Chevy,Ford and Dodge's had AMC's number on the strip i don't know how many times,but that's just stating the truth!! All i was truly saying before is the 72 Chevelle being the slowest years of the Chevelle's,it's still a quick heavy car on the strip,not being against just anything AMC!!
@@CamaroZ-cr9bo they aren't even in the same class. Still says nothing about the Chevies, Fords, or Dodges.
I'm saying that it wasn't even a good match up to have a big block vs a small block and doesn't prove anything about the Chevelle except that a big block beat a small block. Absolutely nothing revelatory there.
The AMCs had everyone else's number in the Trans Am races and kicked all their asses. This drag race doesn't prove anything.
@@NeuKrofta @NeuKrofta Well you know a comment and a discussion is exactly what you want it to be!! Evidently you're looking for a clash of opinions all because i said a bone stock 72 SS is still a dam good running heavy car off of the line,and it is and was!! I wasn't looking for you to hate what i said!! But because you do you act like you have something to do about it,like you have somethung to prove!! I don't and i still don't!!...but now that you brought this idea up to me,i'm the one who's right only because you mentioned what's not even imoortant!!...And say what!?...The Chevelle's like 300lbs heavier,probably has an automatic transmission,who knows what rear end!! It still took that race on low compression!!...With all of the disadvantages!! And are you sure a 390's considered a small and not a big!? you moght be right and with certain manufacturers the size ranges differ by big or small!! But yiu're wrong on another thing,small blocks might have smaller heads than big but it'll tell you what big and small isn't everything in performance!!...I hope you figured that out,i did!!....Now let me enter your part of the discussion here to compare the cars,that AMX has every advantage for weight,having a 4 speed etc!!...Having a displacement of a small block as big as 390 considered and that's all it has,plus probably has the high compression ratio of a 1970 car still,more power lighter body and still couldn't win!!...Even a better rear end and couldnt beat it,i really don't care but on your level i'm only being as specific as yourself!!....And as for what a 401 vs that Chevelle!? a 1970 high compression might beat it,but for a 72 401 against that Chevelle,who was better that year!! Now hold on hold on,compare low compression to low compression,high emissions vs high emissions!!...Keep the categories close right!? Big block or small block isn't important all the time even in drag racing,a high compression small block should still beat a low compression big block,haven't you figured that out!? Why's it like i'm the only one who knows anything around here!!....a big blocks have advantages and so do small blocks have a light weight advantage from the go!!...If A 401 low compression engine can or can't hang with that Chevelle it's intersting,i don't follow AMC's but if 401's git reduced compression like the 454 has i think that Chevy might take it!!...But this red one here had alot more advantages than disadvantages this race!!....It's really not important to me but i think you're wrong and i think i could prove it if i wanted to,do the math man,i mean seriously you either act like you don't know much about cars and like you don't know what topics or comments are even worth the fuss about!! Trans Am series!? well i'm not talking about the Trans Am series i was talking about AMC on the drag strips!!....and i may not know if AmC had a 401 available in 72 or if it was most likely a low compression engine like that Chevelle is but i'd bet if it is that chevelle would take it!!....At least the odd's are equal,big block vs big block in your eyes!? You got me curious now about cars i don't follow,but it Javelins were made in 72 i wonder hiw well they do!! In that year especially!! Probably not much better even after your insults thrwn in there!! Alll i see is a debate between a red and blue crayon,one stated he likes how a stock chevy drives,the other thinks i was asking for a dispute like i was looking for one!! And i don't care if it was a Honda Civic that Chevelle ran against,i still said i like how that 72 Chevelle still has good low end with it's heavy body and low compression 270hp big 8!! I do like that car,after i leave i still will!! Do you anything you'd like to say about this!? I wasn't talking about the Trans Am series i was talking about the dragstrip and the car in general!! Not you from the start truthfully!! What are you like 16 or something!?
@@NeuKrofta Well,i just did some research on a 72 401 Javelin,it's in the same league as this Chevelle,i think the Chevelle might win,but might,i really don't care who does but i like the way that Chevelle drives win or lose!!....If it's better it just makes you more wrong for bringing this crap up!!....Like who cares!!
At my brother in laws house for the forth yesterday. He has a 70 AMX that same color and hood scoop. It is a 360 four speed he has had since 1978. It has been stored the whole time. He plans on restoring it one of these days. Stupid pot head!
Funny this appeared in my notifications. They really are listening.
I'd kick the Chevelle to the curb to get the amx any day of the week.
That Chevelle belongs to a man named Clark if I am not mistaken. Super nice guy, helped me with my car through DMs a few times. He's owned it since the early 80s. I am surprised it was only 3788lbs... my car is optioned similar, but I have manual windows and locks and A/C. I am about 185lbs at "race weight." If my car comes in at anything under 4000 lbs with fuel and driver - I'll be very happy.
First of that chevelle is 73 or 74 which was maybe 270 hp with the 454. the 70 to 72 454 chevelle made 450 hp. Amx was from 68 to 70 the 390 made around 312 hp now the 401 AMC was only rated 315 hp BUT in actually it some were in the naderhood of 435 hp
73 Chevelles had a body change. 71-2 look like the one in the vid.
Only the LS6 was 450 the LS5 were much less.
390 FP of torque at 3,200 RPM would make a great truck engine.
Love me some AMX
Had that 70 Chevelle punched out 396, 4 speed rock and buddy there wasent much could hang..all day every day
Back in 1972, I was looking at an AMX at a local AMC dealership; my mistake was having the old man along. We took it out for a test drive and got out of the real busy section of the road. Well, old dad, he wanted to see how it did for passing cars. Of course, I didn't want to, as I knew what that puppy had. He insisted, and of course I had to obey (he was going to help me with a down payment). WELL! I did, and he made me turn around and bring it back to the dealer. No sale; he was sure I would get a ticket for speeding or (the horror) street racing. I probably would have. Oh well.
Mid 80s I found a perfect dark green 68 Firebird 326 for $800!! Uncle saw it tried to sell my dad on it 2 bbl not a race car etc he forbid me to own a car til I moved out So I did...lol
I miss my first car - 1972 Chevelle Malibu
Im surprised that it didn't walk away from the GTO, being considerably lighter and one more cu. Inch in displacement.
over 6 weeks and people are still complaining about commentary.
I liked the commentary!
I like to go around corners also...take theAMX
I always loved the AMX but I got a 70 Challenger instead.
A small block AMC goes neck and neck with a big block Chevy. Very impressive. The Chevy was punching down, would like to see how it fares against a 401 Javelin... it would get SMOKED
the 390 also fits into a hornet, gremlin, etc....
it was just a matter of the hole shot between those two.
I believe the driver lost that race... the AMX left the tree later... I would have liked to have seen the reaction times...
IMO that Chevelle is not stock! Stock cam and 8:5/1 compression is not going to have a lope like that.
Had one.
I had a 72 Javelin/AMX 401C.I.D.
Ran with the best, lost to most, but attracted a lot of attention and BABES!!!🤣🤣🤣
270 horse 454, my ass !
My '66 AMC 327 has 270 brake HP.
that chevy big block definitely had way more than 270 for sure
That's sad going from 450 hp down to 270!
Pure stock do not cam- lump like that