the problem is that linux still (& prob will) rely on Microsoft/Windows. unless linux will do something magical by inventing their own api alternative that will massively get gains from linux compared to windows (& actual games / software companies that is willing to do it) without the translation layer in between. (not vulkan) but they wont, maybe sony with valve to be an actual "threat" to microsoft in the future since the playstation is linux based too, but we talking here in 10-25+ years.
@@Vss077microsoft is the biggest company again and shit as windows might be microsoft is a big supporter and contributor of linux itself be it for azure, github or whatever.
@@Vss077the games are made for Windows, as steam os gains users the devs will start to make the games for Linux. It's not hard most indi devs are already doing it. The indi devs can do it but not the AAA game devs? They just don't want to go through a bit of work for it to work on Linux.
@@thomasparker7305 its not as easy as u might think. indie games are way smaller in terms of code & way more simple most of the time - some bigger indie titles dont offer linux support or the "linux support" is with the translation layer or 2nd case the engine is "linux friendly" which i mentioned earlier. just look at playstation & their pc ports development time. its still takes a massive amount to optimize as much as possible & be functional.
I get it - trust is hard to earn and easy to lose. Furthermore, I think Nadella/Spencer leadership has been stellar so far but that leadership can change in a blink.
It won't be really open... for sure not! At the moment I can't believe that all games from another game store like epic would run on the xbox out of the box. Maybe the games need to be also optimized for the xbox, at least the need to be checked like on the steam deck. Cause it would be embarrassing if some games would not start or not run well. The question is also, will there be steam on the xbox, does Microsoft and Valve even want that? And one thing for sure there will be no emulation like on the steam deck. The xbox may be more open, but it will never be a pc.
@@dirkwood4544 You can not make a linux handheld which plays all windows games over night... ;) But it can only get better. This year 15.000 games will be verified or playable on the steam deck and with every new steam os and proton version the number of games increase. So it's just a matter of time. ;-D But I'm so glad that I can support this competitor to microsoft. It's bad if we are dependent on one big company.
I don't trust "Open Platform" from Microsoft either, since it's almost like a one-way door. Anything can come into the ecosystem and be accepted, but it's hard to expect that openness to allow for things to branch outside that core ecosystem, so in turn it's almost like advanced "lock in". This is a bit more in contrast to Valve since alot of the stuff they do benefits ecosystems they don't even have any direct stake in at all. For example, DXVK has benefited even windows users, as Nvidia and Intel use DXVK for their own endeavors in relation to Windows games and applications (RTX Remix uses DXVK, and Intel Arc drivers use DXVK as the DX9 Implementation). Proton and wine advancements have gone to the Linux ecosystem as a whole (which is far outside of Valve), and extends to anywhere those can be used, even outside of Linux. Stuff like that makes it easy to trust the openness there, since it's not solely self-serving in effect.
It's not emulation, but it's not a completely wrong way to think about it either. It's not emulating hardware but it's emulating libraries of software by translating them into something else, typical Vulkan (mantle in apples case)
@@peterpereira3653 Most games on Steam utilize some form of DRM. However, it's worth noting that not all DRM implementations are the same. While some games may have more restrictive DRM measures, others may employ a lighter approach. The specific DRM requirements are determined by the game developers and publishers.
@@peterpereira3653Notice how none of the AAA studios are releasing their games on gog? Well, if you're a game store and you want to make money, that's not really going to help you. Okay, sure, some triple A games are there, actually a surprising number, including from Sony of all people.
@TheMahayanistfound the Microsoft employee. But seriously, how many times you've closed the lid of a laptop, put into a bag, only to found the laptop with a dead battery and extremely hot? Windows always had a huge problem with hibernation and resuming sessions. Windows is nowhere near to be "good enough" for a handheld, Linux performs better with low voltage, it's far more lightweight by a factor and it's a better system overall.
@@diogofelix8626You are right about that, but you should never underestimate Microsoft. Where they can't get with the quality of their products they can with their monopolistic strategies and throwing millions of dollars at advertising (which will be ubiquitous).
As someone who paid $80 in shipping and $150 in customs duties to get a deck to my country, I have to agree that MS will defeat valve if they want to. The game publishing billions valve makes prevents it from committing to going all the way with their hardware products like MS can.
Great video as always, Rich! I really dig the deep dives you've been doing. Also, "Developers! Developers! Developers!" gives off "One of us! One of us!" vibes 😅
I have a several decades spanning library. I was playing a game from 1994 when my pc was a 486slc with 2mb if ram. Also, tracking pads are a must, as I rediscovered Heroes of Might and Magic 1, a '95 and I am amazed that the graphics and gameplay stood the passage of time so well! Steam Deck is the best piece of hardware I ever had the opportunity to buy! Thank you Steam and all of the ppl that made such an experience possible!
Solid video! It's interesting to see this Xbox shift happening in real-time since we all grew up with the idea of these different houses with closed ecosystems, exclusives that wouldn't dare cross over to other platforms, and very devout fanboys repping their colors for each brand. Imagine telling someone from 2007 that the world would be so different now with crossplay and former exclusives hopping to rival platforms. Well, the last one isn't too out there considering what happened to SEGA, but no one dropped out of the console business this time! As for where the Steam Deck fits in, it just mostly shows how Valve has continued to take what it's learnt from being a juggernaut in the PC gaming space - they respect the openness of the platform, and they want to make sure that there are no barriers to entry for folks that are interested in the dynamic of PC gaming.
@@FanTheDeck And considering the news we just heard from Meta about the the Quest and Xbox teaming with them on third-party hardware? Crazy timing with this!
The Big Three: Valve, Sony, Nintendo. 2087: "Dad what was xbox?", "Ho ho son let me tell you about the great Xbox and how they shot themselves in the foot by getting squeezed out of every gaming market during your grandfathers lifetime."
I mean, if MS open up their ecosystem it might just be that Sony's relevancy dwindle. Especially when you can play Sony's games on PC and XBOX consoles... It begs the question, why even get a PS6?
I mean honestly you can almost rule out Sony by 2087, Xbox seems to just be jumping ship to Steam, so maybe a win. Not hating on Sony by any means, and never was an Xbox player only the original at the end of it's lifespan. Nintendo does their own thing and if you were a PlayStation or Xbox fan you might have been likely to own the current Nintendo console too, for the sheer sake of how they handle their own properties, if you like their characters you buy their console. It is always a fluctuating market and speaking of any company can tend to bite you right back in upcoming news, that is just how they operate. I am totally a Valve supporter, love them, never looked back, Nintendo has been the only other console to earn my money since switching to pc, not that I don't like the thought of owning a current gen console just that nothing has stood out enough for me to buy one. Pc is just a force to be reckoned with, no console would have ever stood without it, never will, consoles are just a compatibility limited computer at the end of the day. As much as I will always respect consoles for being straightforward and valuable for what they do, they will always suffer the facts that pc is able to do the same things. I don't have a great pc or express absolute superiority just that in time they can handle whatever you throw at them, uncompromised. The only real factors are price to performance but that gets better all the time, consoles are great for the value, but iteration after iteration you still end up spending quite a bit on unupgradable hardware, exclusives are all that remain in the end. I guess it sounds kind of mean, but I don't mean to be, as a gamer since birth, not the kind to hate. Just that is the direction things have been going, that they have always been heading. I am always open to what the others have to offer just that for the longest time I have not been easily swayed outside of Nintendo as they always have stood alone.
@@PixelShadeSony has the games, unlike Microsoft. Sure, they put some of them on PC, but they do it years later, almost as a "sampling" strategy tactic in order to get you hyped for a particular franchise and make you want to buy their console so you can play the new installment as soon as it comes out. They'll never put their games day one on PC, if they do that it's over for Sony as a platform.
What does valve even do? I still don’t understand. They don’t build the games, nor the platform…why are they so respected? Only thing is they developed proton on top of the open source efforts!
@@sumomaster5585 They developed the whole Source Engine, pretty monumental in gaming actually, still used, and ramped off of that. They run a really respectable market on top of that, but yeah they built plenty of games. You mentioned proton also, which is a great endeavor, they deserve more respect than they get. The Steam platform is just a really good community, rich in features, easy to connect with and play with others in comparison to other platforms. They have also built arguably the best mobile medium for digital gaming, running on their own operating system, so they are also creating a Windows to Linux transition, which is another worthy regard in the future of gaming.
Here's an absolutely uncontroversial take: There has never been, and never will be a reason to trust Microsoft on anything you can't force them to do through either legislation or market forces, Why? Their whole existence is predicated on building and furthering a monopoly. And that's understandable, because "Corporations Are Not People" and have nothing to do with human morals or aspirations -- their strategies of continued survival, maximisation of resources and growth are all things you'd see in simple biology. You could even call them supermacro organisms or something. When corporate interests and incentives align with our own, we get a general ally like Valve and its customer focus. When the interests are in conflict we get Microsoft's "Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish" strategy -- and here I must remind you that is their very own _internal_ phrase, not something attributed by opponents. If corporations are such simple creatures, why even hate a macroscopic microbe? Because to survive and thrive corporations try to enforce a Culture, inside and outside, an influence that would give you an impulse to prioritise their interests at the expense of your own (for example in terms of classic Opportunity Cost). Has Valve built such an influence culture too? Absolutely. And that culture and loyalty is so strong because our interests and incentives overwhelmingly align for the foreseeable future.
The deck may have sold more few million units than people think. Based on the top seller charts and on tracking the evolution of Steam Deck components on hardware survey back when valve said they sold 1.6M units and now, we get about 7 to 10M units sold.
Soon it will become brick. Those things don't last forever. Just like PC's, they fail, too. Its durability is questionable. Soon the motherboard will fry and the screen will no longer wake up. How many 7-10 million? That's a lot of brick.
@@SWOTHDRA based on what? From a proportional standpoint based on the usage of their APU when 1.6M units had been sold and now nets us 7.6M units. From position on global top sellers when compared to games we know how much they sold we get even higher ceilings. Of course this is back of the envelope math but it is the data everyone but valve has access to.
@@solkalibri1376 my notebook computer have 10+ years and its still working fine. some dead pixels here and there, the battery need to be replaced, other than that its fine.
I've been a steady PC (Steam) gamer for more than 10 years. I found that as more time passed (and more games I bought) the more I would prefer to buy games on Steam even if it meant waiting an extra year or two for console exclusives. I don't like the fact that I've had to wait for exclusives to pass through the PS phase for a year and then typically the EGS phase for another, but here we are, waiting on FFXVI and Ghosts of Sushi-mom. I like that MS seems to understand the power of having a game or media library that can endure regardless of the device you use or if the hardware changes (like upgrading a PC or buying a PC handheld) and giving more options to have and keep games in your library via sideloading. The last modern consoles I've bought were the PS4 and the Switch. I'm not excited at all for any prospective 'new' consoles. If exclusives did not exist there would be no point in getting a playstation over an xbox or nintendo. Again I believe MS is heading in the right direction. Sony porting their exclusives brings me joy, and I wish Nintendo would consider this as well. Honestly, I would love to buy Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and other exclusives on Steam if I could. But I don't think that would ever happen unless Nintendo hardware downward spirals into oblivion like Sega.
I agree, but only if we're talking about the future, in the present, I have an oled deck and I really enjoy it, but it's not there to really be competitive enough just yet. Hopefully in a few years :)
I think is more steam than PC game per-çe, I bought some game for my ASUS G14, and after getting my Legion Go and got into steam.... I've already bought 102 games. And the fact that my collection is not going to disappear when I change PC/handheld gives you a peace of mind. Sony or Microsoft don't have right now. Edited: My for Mind (typo).
This really is the best Steam Deck channel out there, thanks for bringing both the news and some interesting thoughts on this amazing little device (and handheld pc gaming as a whole).
Absolutely amazing video! it gave me insight and an interesting perspective on things that are happening to xbox, and it gave me a glimpse at what the future might hold... which might be odd and but interesting at the same time.
Microsoft loves going open platform when they are on the ropes or trying to gain customers in a market but close it all down again as soon as they get ahead. They've been doing it for decades.
But one thing about the open platform and game stores on the xbox is strange... why they only talk about the epic games store on the xbox? And not about steam? Isn't that still a sign about a hidden cold war between valve and microsoft? Why microsoft doesn't want a steam store on the xbox?
@@igorgiuseppe1862 who’s to say Microsoft are the ones saying no here? Valve could easily be against Steam going on the Xbox. But I agree. I think it is due to opposing values. Especially when you remember that Epic like Xbox/MS aren’t fond of Linux
Man, this was some quality content! Thanks for offering your insight on the future of the steam deck and where Microsoft could be headed with Xbox. On a different note, I decided to buy Balatro and give it a try after you mentioned it several times here and on the nerd nest podcast. That game... My god, Rich what did you introduce me to?! I wasn't expecting it to be THIS good. Probably my game of the year.
Great video, as always. Is it just me or your video is too dark? I mean, it pales in comparison to everything else, if you crank the brightness up I think you can add a lot of "pop" to it.
Great analysis! Will be interesting to see the future of consoles, hopefully we can install/sideloads apps onto consoles such as installing steam on the Xbox, that would be amazing as it would also reopen the VR sector as on console it’s currently only on the closed PSVR
algorithm comment. current steam deck game: Turbo Kid [for fans of metroidvanias, the kooky film, synthwave music, fun]. Current Exercise bike game: Nowhere Prophet [card roguelike with desertpunk and cyberpunk aesthetics]
So I don't know if you're anecdote about your personal use cases really illustrates gamer habits all that well. I mean that near constant relationship you have with Steam. I've been gaming on PC since the 80's, I can't make the same distinction here. Flash forward to 2010, I'd have to say PlayStation and Steam have been the constant for all my gaming needs. Ya sure I might grab a Nintendo for one reason or another, but the library for that platform remains small. Even the Switch. The Switch saw its life end for me outside of Nintendo exclusives when the deck came along. I haven't even booted my switch up for Tears of the Kingdom or Mario RPG, those are the two titles that would most likely get me to do so. I'm sure other gamers have their positions on such things as well. So I wouldn't be so fast to call Steam a constant. where it becomes less of a constant is exclusive and console launches. I didn't upgrade my GPU from a 1070 or my CPU from zen 1 ryzen cpu until 2 or 3 years into the PS5's life cycle. Even with a PC at the time I was still rocking the PS4 pro for much of my gaming needs. MS has fallen on its face, because its depending on a revolving door subscription service to be its big win. However the cost of that service has shown that digital games in mass can be had for less. Physical games too honestly. You're not getting access to all the games you want to try, let alone play. MS's first party titles are failing to some kind of neglect or atrophy. Part of that I blame on game pass for devaluing their exclusives and the other art I blame on them simply not understanding the entertainment audience half as well as Nintendo or Sony. They missed an opportunity to be PC dominant by abandoning the original xbox plans, which they should have stuck too. Instead they started chasing sony for no reason and ended up with the Xbox 360. We have a husk of a 1st party on console and pc front. Valve is the first party now on PC and PC Portable. All because MS failed to establish its self anywhere. It's never won a console generation. It's never come out in front. Nintendo has spanked it more than once even with the Wii U being a thing. If MS wants to recover, they need to stop using their blockbuster video game service, Game Pass, as the main event. That's a pillar, one of many. They need to start marketing that way to the consumer. They need to look at Windows and fix that relationship, even if it means playing nice with steam at every level. That means Xbox Games on Steamdeck. Make their Windows Xbox Client play nice with Steam and SteamOS. They then need to work on an Xbox OS, so gamers can build their own xbox or buy an off the shelf ready made unit. They should consider making a portable xbox that has slightly better spec's than the Series S, in fact provide a trade in program for S users and give them a free dock for their TV. Then work out a deal for Xbox Market Place and Steam to play nice. Doubt Valve will at this point, but who knows. Keep game pass in the xbox eco system. Lastely after some momentum builds, re-introduce the windows phone and make an xbox variant. I love my android, but there is still nothing that allows my most important daily driver in my pocket to play nice with my desktops (yes plural) in the course of my day. youtube has better integration. I have my reasons for not going xbox, but they could win other people over if they had a real plan that went further than 1 or 2 steps in any direction.
100% anecdotal and maybe even my sample is self-selecting since I talk to a lot of like-minded people, right? But I've seen people that never played PC gradually start to use PC and then they never really leave. Like you said, they may leave Nintendo for some time, or they may leave Sony for some time, or they may leave Microsoft for some time, but they typically don't really leave Steam. But again, you're absolutely right that it's anecdotal.
@@FanTheDeck Ya I mean my anecdotal experience is I've seen a lot of trends come and go in my 43 years. Seen more than my share of those who left PC and Steam. Including one die hard PC master race guy who went PlayStation after PS4 and hasn't looked back. I was baffled by this. Still blows my mind that I see him playing games on his PS5. When I asked him about it and a few others, it really seemed to boil down where they were in their lives. In his case, he didn't have the time to put into PC's and just wanted a console experience without the fuss or sacrifice. Even with the Steamdeck, he just doesn't feel like its time to return after 15~ years of PlayStation and walking him through all the various portable PC's. As you said its really who you know and who you surround yourself with. I weirdly see this a lot. Not that you're wrong either, I see just as many cases the other way. Those who jump from one platform to another. Xbox to PlayStation and vice versa. Had a guy who swore up and down he'd quit gaming before buying a playstation if xbox pulled out alltogether without even being prompted (as I honestly can't take anyone seriously who says that, its like why do you play in the first place). Even myself, die hard Nintendo, just took one game and a companies philosophy to keep me on PlayStation ever since (FF7). Anyway thanks for the response :-) never know when I hear back from a creator. Love your channel and I glad you kept at it. Really has made the Steamdeck and my gaming PC more part of my gaming life again outside of work.
There was a statement somewhere about how they discontinued the backwards compatability program because they ran into licensing and studio issues. To get around this they would be potentially switching the focus to emulation since they own the original Xbox and 360 platforms and could just get the rest of the games to work through emulation instead.
It's kind of crazy what a massive uphill battle Microsoft has. From my perspective, Microsoft have had a very short-sighted reactive strategy these last 15 years. Either they are taken off-guard, start to mimic others, but are either too late to the party, or just doing a half-assed job (like the Windows Store... which is still terrible!). Or they are truly innovating, like with their surface products, hololens/WMR etc. but they aren't confident enough to believe in their own vision, they put so much work into these projects, but are then abandon as soon as they are not a "instant hits". I honestly think that Microsoft's relevancy is going to diminish unless they have a very focused and committed strategy for their future PC and XBOX business.
They’re going to put out two products. A handheld which hardware manufacturers can license and run a version of xbox sandbox (like rog ally does), that Xbox will also have its own version of, and the next gen AMD based Xbox which will be primarily Xbox sandbox but will probably have partnerships with third party launchers like GeForce and NetEase.
I'm still 1/3rd of this video and this is already a fantastic recap. I'm there since the beginning and all you said is correct and what I know as well. Watching this video is very exciting to me. Ok now continue watching. 🙂
Ok, finished watching. My only concern would be, if Microsoft is going to buy Valve. I personally think this would not be allowed by regulators, because they would buy a competitor. My second biggest fear is, what happens if Gaben dies one day? Or gets sick that he no longer can operate. My biggest dream is that all consoles of the future have PC hardware, which makes it easier for everyone. They can still have exclusives (Epic showed us) and can have different hardware and features (Steam Deck and other PC handhelds showed us).
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@@thingsiplaysteam doesn't have public shares. You just cant buy it
4:31 To my eyes, no they didn't. At least not 100%. We need native Linux ports to reach that 100%, then we'll be truly talking about the "openness of the PC". Also it sickens me to see people "smartphonizing" the PC using terms like "sideloading" - the fuck happened to simply "installing a program"? Sideloading is literally that, we don't need a stupid term like that to further confuse people. Also also never trust companies with game preservation (especially monopolies like Microsoft), draconian copyright laws and power-hungry moves always get in the way. Only trust the community to do that (specifically the open-source hobbyists who do it for the greater cause regardless of financial rewards, we don't want another Yuzu moment happening again anytime soon, if ever).
The deck is amazing!! Use it all the time. Been on the fence to getting the oled... Probably will the next time it goes on a small sale or I get a bonus from work in July
I have nothing to add and this is well done. I hope you are proud of it, because you should be. I feel this is the best piece you have done so far, well done sir.
Deju vu I've been on this video before 🕺 I don't quite remember exactly what I wrote before but I do really think it's great that Microsoft wants to open up the xbox to more storefronts, I would actually consider buying consoles if I kept my PC library.
@@FanTheDeck I meant earlier with the mishap on the quotes in the latest vid Also, do you have any knowledge on how I might be able to make the deck start in Desktop mode? I've been scouring the internet looking for an answer but can't find anything regarding that.
I’m definitely putting my betting chip on ARM for the next Xbox. The reports of its performance matching or exceeding Apple’s chips would line up with “biggest leap in a console generation.” Imagine the next Xbox doing to consoles what the M1 MacBooks die to laptops; that was a giant leap for Apple. The new architecture would also explain why they need an initiative dedicated to forward compatibility. Now all they have to do is actually exploit that technology to make consumers care about the Xbox brand…
I think hardware sales would be massive if an Xbox supported pc games. Having a pc and a steam deck I'd still buy an Xbox if I could play pc games, just because of being able to travel with it but it being more powerful than a steam deck. Can take it to any hotel or anything.
Going back and forth from nintendo to sony to xbox and then settling on PC (which is what I did too) is entirely because I can be on PC and play the PS and Xbox and PC exclusives I want to play and don't have to buy a new console every few years. I don't mind playing a premium for a play-it-all machine. But MOST importantly: All the games I have bought since the beginning of Steam I still own and have access to. Nintendo? Not so much.
I play Fallout 76 with the Xbox app on my Steam Deck via dual boot Windows 11. Honestly, I like that Xbox is going more PC because that means we'll be getting more games.
It's true, at least as far as once you go Steam, you don't really look back. I got my Steam Deck early last year after six years of gaming on nothing but the Switch and now, well, I haven't touched my Switch since, nor do will I be buying a Switch 2 until it gets Animal Crossing or Pokémon.
What nobody's talking about, which I'm concerned about, is what this means for Xbox Live. PC is the only gaming platform left with free online play, not tied to a subscription. So, if MS is gonna make Windows like Xbox and Xbox like Windows... What will that mean? You obviously can't make all of Windows have an online subscription, that would kill the platform lol. So what about Xbox games? Either they continue making you pay for Xbox Live and will inherently be inferior options to the same exact games' PC ports on Steam or even Windows Marketplace, or Xbox games now get free online play, on all platforms; obviously the ideal situation for us all, but will MS actually let it happen? And what about OG Xbox and 360 games, which had Live shut down or on its last legs - would MS go as far as providing new alternatives by opening up their legacy Live backends, perhaps letting people host their own game servers? Unifying a closed ecosystem like Xbox with Windows has a lot of implications like this, which need to be really thought about.
I only use my PS5 for online multiplayer games and only use my Switch for local multiplayer stuff nowadays. 85% + of my gaming time is spent on the deck
I had/have no real reason to buy an Xbox this generation so far, I basically just wait for PC ports to come out or I just don't play those Xbox exclusives. If my Legion Go could essentially be an Xbox I would absolutely buy a lot more Xbox games. I've been just so turned off by the cost of consoles these days and I only begrudgingly bought a PS5 because I'm too much of a Final Fantasy fan-boy to wait for usually poor PC ports.
Xbox might release their own handheld by then to get gamers used to that WinBox interface to keep them under Windows PC. The Steam Deck has me looking at Linux for PC lately.
Love the Dream of the Xbox open Platform, and I believe they will get there with their next console/Handheld. It'll be beautiful when everything becomes so seamless, just hope Sony does the same or else they'll end up like BlockBuster.
I'm still puzzled about valve hiring a developer for linux/arm development. I think that would be great, also imagine an smartphone able to run steam games, on a linux OS(not Android). Unluckly Microsoft will destroy competition as always, now they are buying game development studios and there is no monopoly ban, so there it goes..
Unless Steam Deck starts selling in numbers like Nintendo Switch. Microsoft isn't going to be worried about Valve Steam Deck. Microsoft after all still has the OS that the vast amount of gaming PC are using. That's not changing anytime soon. PC video gaming is also bigger than just Steam.
steam deck made me start dual booting linux. i'm now using 80% linux mint and 20% windows. i'm studying just using a windows virtual machine under linux for stuff that doesn't work on linux instead of dual booting
Over the last ten years, if it’s not on Steam, it’s not going to be played on my PC. The sole exceptions have been Destiny 1 on a borrowed XBox and World of Warcraft.
i could see steam running on an xbox console and xbox ui/store running perfectly on steamdeck/steamconsole so the only choice then would be which store do you want to buy it from seemingly it would depend on where you social ecosystem for that game lives and have ZERO to do with hardware at that point i'm not sure how i feel about this it spells death for the xbox as a console, but the way of the 90s console, with wildly different specs and therefor different games, seems dead enough already that it doesn't matter
Imagine the next Xbox conference with Phil Spencer on stage and on walks Gabe Newell to announce Steam coming to Xbox. I just want a fixed hardware PC/Console make it happen Microsoft.
A "principled approach"? From Microsoft? The same company who's motto was, and still is unofficially, "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish". They want to talk about transparency, but then secretly turn on all the spyware they have baked into your operating system every time you update. That company has a list of horror stories a mile and a half long, and that's just the fine print. Even if they really have changed how they approach their business strategies, it'd only be for about 5 minutes before they close the gate behind you again.
I Enjoy the breakdowns. Personally the deck has turned me out to pc. My Xbox and ps5 are collectively collecting dust. My switch too, to be honest, but I still buy physical games there.
I haven't had a Microsoft console since the 360, the Microsoft Store simply can't beat Steam, sorry Microsoft. Windows hasn't seen a hint of my Steam Deck, sorry Microsoft. Please release a hand held Uncle Phil, I won't buy it but I'm eager to see how Valve responds.
If you think about it the console wars is really only a battle of what console poor people are going to settle for. I speak from experience, after that it rides mostly on pride, the feeling of loyalty and inclusion, a couple of mascots and exclusives to give you something to talk about, argue over.
Some of the best things Steam and Steam Deck does stems from complete freedom and control ... the openness PC offers. I'm curious to see how or if Microsoft will try to lock down an "Xbox PC". I think MS is at risk of wiggling themselves into a dangerous in between spot where they want the control of locked down platform with the advantages of an open one. They might develop a 360 emulator for Windows and their Xbox PC ... I'd welcome it ... unlike Xenia they will want to monetize their work - so will it let me load my own games or will it play select Xbox 360 games? Can I take Windows 11 or 12 off of my Xbox PC and put on the OS that I want to install? Will they change their game review system to account for Devs that screw over handheld customers? What about those Steam games with an AO rating - or those that violate MS policies? How much freedom will I be given?
I can't see how Steam Deck is a threat? I think PC handhelds are still a niche product as Switch is still outselling all PC handhelds combined. My 7 year old mid-range laptop can outperform the Ally and Go. Roblox and Fortnite are still going strong. My son and his friends hardly touch a handheld and much rather play on desktops and laptops with keyboard and mouse.
I don't think Microsoft really has a coherent vision for gaming. Too many distinct business units with different (or even competing priorities). Meanwhile Valve is just ticking along and making purchasing a playing games as seamless and fun for users as possible.
i love the steam deck so much, switch been collecting dust lol
I use my switch..... Every time I buy a new cartridge and have to dump it to play on my steam deck 😅
@@fourteen00I bought a modded Switch JUST for this reason alone ahaha
same here, and is modded lol.
I gave mine to my niece.
@RavenIDK right this why am getting impressed how valve steam deck and steam deck oled PC handled experience it's so interesting
It poses a threat to Microsoft as a whole, it shines a spotlight on just how good linux has gotten.
the problem is that linux still (& prob will) rely on Microsoft/Windows. unless linux will do something magical by inventing their own api alternative that will massively get gains from linux compared to windows (& actual games / software companies that is willing to do it) without the translation layer in between. (not vulkan) but they wont, maybe sony with valve to be an actual "threat" to microsoft in the future since the playstation is linux based too, but we talking here in 10-25+ years.
@@Vss077microsoft is the biggest company again and shit as windows might be microsoft is a big supporter and contributor of linux itself be it for azure, github or whatever.
@@Vss077the games are made for Windows, as steam os gains users the devs will start to make the games for Linux. It's not hard most indi devs are already doing it. The indi devs can do it but not the AAA game devs? They just don't want to go through a bit of work for it to work on Linux.
@@thomasparker7305 its not as easy as u might think. indie games are way smaller in terms of code & way more simple most of the time - some bigger indie titles dont offer linux support or the "linux support" is with the translation layer or 2nd case the engine is "linux friendly" which i mentioned earlier. just look at playstation & their pc ports development time. its still takes a massive amount to optimize as much as possible & be functional.
@@Vss077 Unity, Unreal, Godot, GameMaker support Linux. Vulkan and OpenGL are cross platform.
I game on Linux now. I use Steam OS on my Steam Deck and Linux Mint on my desktop PC. I have made the switch.
I dont trust Microsoft for their "Open Platform", im stick with Valve vision for Linux/SteamOS
I get it - trust is hard to earn and easy to lose. Furthermore, I think Nadella/Spencer leadership has been stellar so far but that leadership can change in a blink.
It won't be really open... for sure not! At the moment I can't believe that all games from another game store like epic would run on the xbox out of the box. Maybe the games need to be also optimized for the xbox, at least the need to be checked like on the steam deck. Cause it would be embarrassing if some games would not start or not run well. The question is also, will there be steam on the xbox, does Microsoft and Valve even want that? And one thing for sure there will be no emulation like on the steam deck. The xbox may be more open, but it will never be a pc.
@@zzzzzapto be honest.. I got rid of my deck because many of the games I play couldn't run.. or they ran with issues
@@dirkwood4544 You can not make a linux handheld which plays all windows games over night... ;) But it can only get better. This year 15.000 games will be verified or playable on the steam deck and with every new steam os and proton version the number of games increase. So it's just a matter of time. ;-D But I'm so glad that I can support this competitor to microsoft. It's bad if we are dependent on one big company.
I don't trust "Open Platform" from Microsoft either, since it's almost like a one-way door. Anything can come into the ecosystem and be accepted, but it's hard to expect that openness to allow for things to branch outside that core ecosystem, so in turn it's almost like advanced "lock in". This is a bit more in contrast to Valve since alot of the stuff they do benefits ecosystems they don't even have any direct stake in at all. For example, DXVK has benefited even windows users, as Nvidia and Intel use DXVK for their own endeavors in relation to Windows games and applications (RTX Remix uses DXVK, and Intel Arc drivers use DXVK as the DX9 Implementation). Proton and wine advancements have gone to the Linux ecosystem as a whole (which is far outside of Valve), and extends to anywhere those can be used, even outside of Linux. Stuff like that makes it easy to trust the openness there, since it's not solely self-serving in effect.
Rosetta doesn't run on Windows ARM... Rosetta is an Apple software product, but MS does have it's own emulation layer.
Good catch. Sorry about that. I know there are several implementations but I thought they were all "Rosetta" 🤦🏻♂️
@@BobDevVyeah people keep mistaking Rosetta and WINE as an emulation layer
It's not emulation, but it's not a completely wrong way to think about it either. It's not emulating hardware but it's emulating libraries of software by translating them into something else, typical Vulkan (mantle in apples case)
The main difference which is really important is that emulating software libraries should typically not produce any performance overhead
@@Dracossaint You mean Metal, not Mantle.
Valve is a benevolent king. All hail the Steam Deck.
If Steam was actually so benevolent why still use a form of DRM.
@@peterpereira3653 Most games on Steam utilize some form of DRM. However, it's worth noting that not all DRM implementations are the same. While some games may have more restrictive DRM measures, others may employ a lighter approach. The specific DRM requirements are determined by the game developers and publishers.
@@peterpereira3653they come from developer, not steam
@@peterpereira3653Notice how none of the AAA studios are releasing their games on gog? Well, if you're a game store and you want to make money, that's not really going to help you.
Okay, sure, some triple A games are there, actually a surprising number, including from Sony of all people.
If only it was available worldwide the numbers would be higher
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@TheMahayanistfound the Microsoft employee.
But seriously, how many times you've closed the lid of a laptop, put into a bag, only to found the laptop with a dead battery and extremely hot? Windows always had a huge problem with hibernation and resuming sessions. Windows is nowhere near to be "good enough" for a handheld, Linux performs better with low voltage, it's far more lightweight by a factor and it's a better system overall.
@@diogofelix8626You are right about that, but you should never underestimate Microsoft. Where they can't get with the quality of their products they can with their monopolistic strategies and throwing millions of dollars at advertising (which will be ubiquitous).
As someone who paid $80 in shipping and $150 in customs duties to get a deck to my country, I have to agree that MS will defeat valve if they want to. The game publishing billions valve makes prevents it from committing to going all the way with their hardware products like MS can.
A next gen Xbox versus an open source valve/steam os machine, do you think can win that war???
Great video as always, Rich! I really dig the deep dives you've been doing. Also, "Developers! Developers! Developers!" gives off "One of us! One of us!" vibes 😅
Right? He might not have been the best CEO but he seems like a great dude to have a beer with
I have a several decades spanning library. I was playing a game from 1994 when my pc was a 486slc with 2mb if ram. Also, tracking pads are a must, as I rediscovered Heroes of Might and Magic 1, a '95 and I am amazed that the graphics and gameplay stood the passage of time so well! Steam Deck is the best piece of hardware I ever had the opportunity to buy! Thank you Steam and all of the ppl that made such an experience possible!
Solid video!
It's interesting to see this Xbox shift happening in real-time since we all grew up with the idea of these different houses with closed ecosystems, exclusives that wouldn't dare cross over to other platforms, and very devout fanboys repping their colors for each brand. Imagine telling someone from 2007 that the world would be so different now with crossplay and former exclusives hopping to rival platforms. Well, the last one isn't too out there considering what happened to SEGA, but no one dropped out of the console business this time!
As for where the Steam Deck fits in, it just mostly shows how Valve has continued to take what it's learnt from being a juggernaut in the PC gaming space - they respect the openness of the platform, and they want to make sure that there are no barriers to entry for folks that are interested in the dynamic of PC gaming.
Thanks for commenting! You're on point as usual🎯. I think both win on open platforms so I'm happy to see Microsoft embrace it.
@@FanTheDeck And considering the news we just heard from Meta about the the Quest and Xbox teaming with them on third-party hardware? Crazy timing with this!
The Big Three:
Valve, Sony, Nintendo.
2087: "Dad what was xbox?", "Ho ho son let me tell you about the great Xbox and how they shot themselves in the foot by getting squeezed out of every gaming market during your grandfathers lifetime."
I mean, if MS open up their ecosystem it might just be that Sony's relevancy dwindle. Especially when you can play Sony's games on PC and XBOX consoles... It begs the question, why even get a PS6?
I mean honestly you can almost rule out Sony by 2087, Xbox seems to just be jumping ship to Steam, so maybe a win. Not hating on Sony by any means, and never was an Xbox player only the original at the end of it's lifespan. Nintendo does their own thing and if you were a PlayStation or Xbox fan you might have been likely to own the current Nintendo console too, for the sheer sake of how they handle their own properties, if you like their characters you buy their console. It is always a fluctuating market and speaking of any company can tend to bite you right back in upcoming news, that is just how they operate. I am totally a Valve supporter, love them, never looked back, Nintendo has been the only other console to earn my money since switching to pc, not that I don't like the thought of owning a current gen console just that nothing has stood out enough for me to buy one.
Pc is just a force to be reckoned with, no console would have ever stood without it, never will, consoles are just a compatibility limited computer at the end of the day. As much as I will always respect consoles for being straightforward and valuable for what they do, they will always suffer the facts that pc is able to do the same things. I don't have a great pc or express absolute superiority just that in time they can handle whatever you throw at them, uncompromised. The only real factors are price to performance but that gets better all the time, consoles are great for the value, but iteration after iteration you still end up spending quite a bit on unupgradable hardware, exclusives are all that remain in the end.
I guess it sounds kind of mean, but I don't mean to be, as a gamer since birth, not the kind to hate. Just that is the direction things have been going, that they have always been heading. I am always open to what the others have to offer just that for the longest time I have not been easily swayed outside of Nintendo as they always have stood alone.
@@PixelShadeSony has the games, unlike Microsoft. Sure, they put some of them on PC, but they do it years later, almost as a "sampling" strategy tactic in order to get you hyped for a particular franchise and make you want to buy their console so you can play the new installment as soon as it comes out.
They'll never put their games day one on PC, if they do that it's over for Sony as a platform.
What does valve even do? I still don’t understand. They don’t build the games, nor the platform…why are they so respected? Only thing is they developed proton on top of the open source efforts!
@@sumomaster5585 They developed the whole Source Engine, pretty monumental in gaming actually, still used, and ramped off of that. They run a really respectable market on top of that, but yeah they built plenty of games. You mentioned proton also, which is a great endeavor, they deserve more respect than they get. The Steam platform is just a really good community, rich in features, easy to connect with and play with others in comparison to other platforms. They have also built arguably the best mobile medium for digital gaming, running on their own operating system, so they are also creating a Windows to Linux transition, which is another worthy regard in the future of gaming.
Here's an absolutely uncontroversial take: There has never been, and never will be a reason to trust Microsoft on anything you can't force them to do through either legislation or market forces, Why?
Their whole existence is predicated on building and furthering a monopoly. And that's understandable, because "Corporations Are Not People" and have nothing to do with human morals or aspirations -- their strategies of continued survival, maximisation of resources and growth are all things you'd see in simple biology. You could even call them supermacro organisms or something.
When corporate interests and incentives align with our own, we get a general ally like Valve and its customer focus. When the interests are in conflict we get Microsoft's "Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish" strategy -- and here I must remind you that is their very own _internal_ phrase, not something attributed by opponents.
If corporations are such simple creatures, why even hate a macroscopic microbe? Because to survive and thrive corporations try to enforce a Culture, inside and outside, an influence that would give you an impulse to prioritise their interests at the expense of your own (for example in terms of classic Opportunity Cost).
Has Valve built such an influence culture too? Absolutely.
And that culture and loyalty is so strong because our interests and incentives overwhelmingly align for the foreseeable future.
The deck may have sold more few million units than people think. Based on the top seller charts and on tracking the evolution of Steam Deck components on hardware survey back when valve said they sold 1.6M units and now, we get about 7 to 10M units sold.
the only number we could confirm was 1 million
Soon it will become brick. Those things don't last forever. Just like PC's, they fail, too. Its durability is questionable. Soon the motherboard will fry and the screen will no longer wake up. How many 7-10 million? That's a lot of brick.
@@SWOTHDRA based on what? From a proportional standpoint based on the usage of their APU when 1.6M units had been sold and now nets us 7.6M units. From position on global top sellers when compared to games we know how much they sold we get even higher ceilings. Of course this is back of the envelope math but it is the data everyone but valve has access to.
@@solkalibri1376 my notebook computer have 10+ years and its still working fine.
some dead pixels here and there, the battery need to be replaced, other than that its fine.
I've been a steady PC (Steam) gamer for more than 10 years. I found that as more time passed (and more games I bought) the more I would prefer to buy games on Steam even if it meant waiting an extra year or two for console exclusives. I don't like the fact that I've had to wait for exclusives to pass through the PS phase for a year and then typically the EGS phase for another, but here we are, waiting on FFXVI and Ghosts of Sushi-mom. I like that MS seems to understand the power of having a game or media library that can endure regardless of the device you use or if the hardware changes (like upgrading a PC or buying a PC handheld) and giving more options to have and keep games in your library via sideloading.
The last modern consoles I've bought were the PS4 and the Switch. I'm not excited at all for any prospective 'new' consoles. If exclusives did not exist there would be no point in getting a playstation over an xbox or nintendo. Again I believe MS is heading in the right direction. Sony porting their exclusives brings me joy, and I wish Nintendo would consider this as well. Honestly, I would love to buy Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and other exclusives on Steam if I could. But I don't think that would ever happen unless Nintendo hardware downward spirals into oblivion like Sega.
Ah, yes, the infamous Ghosts of Sushi mom. Would you like another California Roll, dear?
We are so back (the last upload went private when i was halfway through, lol)
Sorry Orly!!! Hope you enjoy 💪🏻💪🏻
Same here, glad to see it's back online
as an early viewer i recomend everyone play hypnospace outlaw its not my game i just really enjoy it and want to share it with other people
I did enjoy that. It gets a little slow in the middle though, I haven't played far past the big plot twist timeskip.
I agree, but only if we're talking about the future, in the present, I have an oled deck and I really enjoy it, but it's not there to really be competitive enough just yet. Hopefully in a few years :)
I refuse to believe that Mr Balmer didn't meet Charlie from Columbia on his way to this presentation. 5:32
I think is more steam than PC game per-çe, I bought some game for my ASUS G14, and after getting my Legion Go and got into steam.... I've already bought 102 games. And the fact that my collection is not going to disappear when I change PC/handheld gives you a peace of mind. Sony or Microsoft don't have right now.
Edited: My for Mind (typo).
Could do with some plants, wall art in the back my man
This really is the best Steam Deck channel out there, thanks for bringing both the news and some interesting thoughts on this amazing little device (and handheld pc gaming as a whole).
♥ Thanks for the love!
Absolutely amazing video! it gave me insight and an interesting perspective on things that are happening to xbox, and it gave me a glimpse at what the future might hold... which might be odd and but interesting at the same time.
Happy to hear that! Weird times we're in 😅
Microsoft loves going open platform when they are on the ropes or trying to gain customers in a market but close it all down again as soon as they get ahead. They've been doing it for decades.
I watched all the video before the takedown, but we back to boost them numbers, big boi!!!!!
let's gooooooo 💪🏻
Why was it taken down?
But one thing about the open platform and game stores on the xbox is strange... why they only talk about the epic games store on the xbox? And not about steam? Isn't that still a sign about a hidden cold war between valve and microsoft? Why microsoft doesn't want a steam store on the xbox?
either they didnt signed an partnership with valve yet, or they dont even plan to do that, unless valve give up on steamOS/Linux.
probably the second.
@@igorgiuseppe1862 who’s to say Microsoft are the ones saying no here? Valve could easily be against Steam going on the Xbox.
But I agree. I think it is due to opposing values. Especially when you remember that Epic like Xbox/MS aren’t fond of Linux
Man, this was some quality content! Thanks for offering your insight on the future of the steam deck and where Microsoft could be headed with Xbox.
On a different note, I decided to buy Balatro and give it a try after you mentioned it several times here and on the nerd nest podcast. That game... My god, Rich what did you introduce me to?! I wasn't expecting it to be THIS good. Probably my game of the year.
If valve is a threat to microsoft in any meaningful way, I sense another purchase 👀 (which lines up with the recent rumors of steam being on xbox)
from the leaked emails some time ago, we know Microsoft is/was interested into buying Valve. If that ever happens, we don't know for certain
Great video, as always. Is it just me or your video is too dark? I mean, it pales in comparison to everything else, if you crank the brightness up I think you can add a lot of "pop" to it.
Wow. I love it. I hope I can see all such things come into fruition on ROG Ally
Great analysis! Will be interesting to see the future of consoles, hopefully we can install/sideloads apps onto consoles such as installing steam on the Xbox, that would be amazing as it would also reopen the VR sector as on console it’s currently only on the closed PSVR
Still saving for mine and I can’t wait
algorithm comment. current steam deck game: Turbo Kid [for fans of metroidvanias, the kooky film, synthwave music, fun]. Current Exercise bike game: Nowhere Prophet [card roguelike with desertpunk and cyberpunk aesthetics]
Algorithm comment? What's that? How does it work?
Bring fsr3 frame gen to the steam deck please
Why was the video removed and re-uploaded?
The previous version had some editing mistakes. Namely the quotations were off. Unfortunate but I wanted to make sure it was accurate.
@@FanTheDeck oh ok That’s cool, glad it’s fixed
Where would I find the skin in the thumbnail?
That one doesn't actually exist but it's a color-altered mockup of the Carnage skin from dbrand: dbrand.com/fanthedeck
i can see it now. Steam console, Steam Deck 2, Valve VR 2.0, Half-Life 2.6........it will be GLORIOUS!
So I don't know if you're anecdote about your personal use cases really illustrates gamer habits all that well. I mean that near constant relationship you have with Steam. I've been gaming on PC since the 80's, I can't make the same distinction here. Flash forward to 2010, I'd have to say PlayStation and Steam have been the constant for all my gaming needs. Ya sure I might grab a Nintendo for one reason or another, but the library for that platform remains small. Even the Switch. The Switch saw its life end for me outside of Nintendo exclusives when the deck came along. I haven't even booted my switch up for Tears of the Kingdom or Mario RPG, those are the two titles that would most likely get me to do so. I'm sure other gamers have their positions on such things as well. So I wouldn't be so fast to call Steam a constant. where it becomes less of a constant is exclusive and console launches. I didn't upgrade my GPU from a 1070 or my CPU from zen 1 ryzen cpu until 2 or 3 years into the PS5's life cycle. Even with a PC at the time I was still rocking the PS4 pro for much of my gaming needs.
MS has fallen on its face, because its depending on a revolving door subscription service to be its big win. However the cost of that service has shown that digital games in mass can be had for less. Physical games too honestly. You're not getting access to all the games you want to try, let alone play. MS's first party titles are failing to some kind of neglect or atrophy. Part of that I blame on game pass for devaluing their exclusives and the other art I blame on them simply not understanding the entertainment audience half as well as Nintendo or Sony. They missed an opportunity to be PC dominant by abandoning the original xbox plans, which they should have stuck too. Instead they started chasing sony for no reason and ended up with the Xbox 360. We have a husk of a 1st party on console and pc front. Valve is the first party now on PC and PC Portable. All because MS failed to establish its self anywhere. It's never won a console generation. It's never come out in front. Nintendo has spanked it more than once even with the Wii U being a thing.
If MS wants to recover, they need to stop using their blockbuster video game service, Game Pass, as the main event. That's a pillar, one of many. They need to start marketing that way to the consumer. They need to look at Windows and fix that relationship, even if it means playing nice with steam at every level. That means Xbox Games on Steamdeck. Make their Windows Xbox Client play nice with Steam and SteamOS. They then need to work on an Xbox OS, so gamers can build their own xbox or buy an off the shelf ready made unit. They should consider making a portable xbox that has slightly better spec's than the Series S, in fact provide a trade in program for S users and give them a free dock for their TV. Then work out a deal for Xbox Market Place and Steam to play nice. Doubt Valve will at this point, but who knows. Keep game pass in the xbox eco system. Lastely after some momentum builds, re-introduce the windows phone and make an xbox variant. I love my android, but there is still nothing that allows my most important daily driver in my pocket to play nice with my desktops (yes plural) in the course of my day. youtube has better integration.
I have my reasons for not going xbox, but they could win other people over if they had a real plan that went further than 1 or 2 steps in any direction.
100% anecdotal and maybe even my sample is self-selecting since I talk to a lot of like-minded people, right? But I've seen people that never played PC gradually start to use PC and then they never really leave. Like you said, they may leave Nintendo for some time, or they may leave Sony for some time, or they may leave Microsoft for some time, but they typically don't really leave Steam. But again, you're absolutely right that it's anecdotal.
@@FanTheDeck Ya I mean my anecdotal experience is I've seen a lot of trends come and go in my 43 years. Seen more than my share of those who left PC and Steam. Including one die hard PC master race guy who went PlayStation after PS4 and hasn't looked back. I was baffled by this. Still blows my mind that I see him playing games on his PS5. When I asked him about it and a few others, it really seemed to boil down where they were in their lives. In his case, he didn't have the time to put into PC's and just wanted a console experience without the fuss or sacrifice. Even with the Steamdeck, he just doesn't feel like its time to return after 15~ years of PlayStation and walking him through all the various portable PC's. As you said its really who you know and who you surround yourself with. I weirdly see this a lot. Not that you're wrong either, I see just as many cases the other way. Those who jump from one platform to another. Xbox to PlayStation and vice versa. Had a guy who swore up and down he'd quit gaming before buying a playstation if xbox pulled out alltogether without even being prompted (as I honestly can't take anyone seriously who says that, its like why do you play in the first place). Even myself, die hard Nintendo, just took one game and a companies philosophy to keep me on PlayStation ever since (FF7).
Anyway thanks for the response :-) never know when I hear back from a creator. Love your channel and I glad you kept at it. Really has made the Steamdeck and my gaming PC more part of my gaming life again outside of work.
@@Cruxics It's always a pleasure to reply to thoughtful comments such as yours. Thanks for sharing your experiences!
There was a statement somewhere about how they discontinued the backwards compatability program because they ran into licensing and studio issues. To get around this they would be potentially switching the focus to emulation since they own the original Xbox and 360 platforms and could just get the rest of the games to work through emulation instead.
Why the reupload??
who cares
It's kind of crazy what a massive uphill battle Microsoft has. From my perspective, Microsoft have had a very short-sighted reactive strategy these last 15 years. Either they are taken off-guard, start to mimic others, but are either too late to the party, or just doing a half-assed job (like the Windows Store... which is still terrible!). Or they are truly innovating, like with their surface products, hololens/WMR etc. but they aren't confident enough to believe in their own vision, they put so much work into these projects, but are then abandon as soon as they are not a "instant hits". I honestly think that Microsoft's relevancy is going to diminish unless they have a very focused and committed strategy for their future PC and XBOX business.
Thank you for the well researched and considered content, with a nice overlay of opinion.
They’re going to put out two products. A handheld which hardware manufacturers can license and run a version of xbox sandbox (like rog ally does), that Xbox will also have its own version of, and the next gen AMD based Xbox which will be primarily Xbox sandbox but will probably have partnerships with third party launchers like GeForce and NetEase.
Bloodborne and silksong!
hahaha that got me
😅
Awesome video. Keep it up!
I'm still 1/3rd of this video and this is already a fantastic recap. I'm there since the beginning and all you said is correct and what I know as well. Watching this video is very exciting to me.
Ok now continue watching. 🙂
Ok, finished watching.
My only concern would be, if Microsoft is going to buy Valve. I personally think this would not be allowed by regulators, because they would buy a competitor. My second biggest fear is, what happens if Gaben dies one day? Or gets sick that he no longer can operate.
My biggest dream is that all consoles of the future have PC hardware, which makes it easier for everyone. They can still have exclusives (Epic showed us) and can have different hardware and features (Steam Deck and other PC handhelds showed us).
@@thingsiplaysteam doesn't have public shares. You just cant buy it
@ Right now... but who says it will stay like this in the future?
I thought he was wearing a vault suit for a moment
4:31 To my eyes, no they didn't. At least not 100%. We need native Linux ports to reach that 100%, then we'll be truly talking about the "openness of the PC".
Also it sickens me to see people "smartphonizing" the PC using terms like "sideloading" - the fuck happened to simply "installing a program"? Sideloading is literally that, we don't need a stupid term like that to further confuse people.
Also also never trust companies with game preservation (especially monopolies like Microsoft), draconian copyright laws and power-hungry moves always get in the way. Only trust the community to do that (specifically the open-source hobbyists who do it for the greater cause regardless of financial rewards, we don't want another Yuzu moment happening again anytime soon, if ever).
The deck is amazing!! Use it all the time. Been on the fence to getting the oled... Probably will the next time it goes on a small sale or I get a bonus from work in July
I have nothing to add and this is well done. I hope you are proud of it, because you should be. I feel this is the best piece you have done so far, well done sir.
Deju vu I've been on this video before 🕺
I don't quite remember exactly what I wrote before but I do really think it's great that Microsoft wants to open up the xbox to more storefronts, I would actually consider buying consoles if I kept my PC library.
😅 Thanks for returning Emilio!
@@FanTheDeck I know what your editor did.
@@MelodyIV Last summer?
@@FanTheDeck I meant earlier with the mishap on the quotes in the latest vid
Also, do you have any knowledge on how I might be able to make the deck start in Desktop mode? I've been scouring the internet looking for an answer but can't find anything regarding that.
I’m definitely putting my betting chip on ARM for the next Xbox. The reports of its performance matching or exceeding Apple’s chips would line up with “biggest leap in a console generation.” Imagine the next Xbox doing to consoles what the M1 MacBooks die to laptops; that was a giant leap for Apple. The new architecture would also explain why they need an initiative dedicated to forward compatibility.
Now all they have to do is actually exploit that technology to make consumers care about the Xbox brand…
I think hardware sales would be massive if an Xbox supported pc games. Having a pc and a steam deck I'd still buy an Xbox if I could play pc games, just because of being able to travel with it but it being more powerful than a steam deck. Can take it to any hotel or anything.
Going back and forth from nintendo to sony to xbox and then settling on PC (which is what I did too) is entirely because I can be on PC and play the PS and Xbox and PC exclusives I want to play and don't have to buy a new console every few years. I don't mind playing a premium for a play-it-all machine. But MOST importantly: All the games I have bought since the beginning of Steam I still own and have access to. Nintendo? Not so much.
I wish the wold make cross save beter ony ting that os keeping needing widows is my forza saves are stuck to xbox/windows
This is an oddly quiet video. Isn't there usually background music?
I play Fallout 76 with the Xbox app on my Steam Deck via dual boot Windows 11. Honestly, I like that Xbox is going more PC because that means we'll be getting more games.
11:11 Remember the OG Xbox used off the shelf PC parts.
Excellent analysis video!
It's true, at least as far as once you go Steam, you don't really look back. I got my Steam Deck early last year after six years of gaming on nothing but the Switch and now, well, I haven't touched my Switch since, nor do will I be buying a Switch 2 until it gets Animal Crossing or Pokémon.
If this let us get fable 2 and 3, and rare replay on pc this would be such a huge W
It must be really hard to make content so often without any news to report, yet you keep still go on beating the bush for 20some mintues regularly.
fantastic breakdown and insight FTD, I cannot wait to see what the future holds
I'm loving my deck while at work on breaks I can get some of my backlog done on the go😊
What nobody's talking about, which I'm concerned about, is what this means for Xbox Live. PC is the only gaming platform left with free online play, not tied to a subscription. So, if MS is gonna make Windows like Xbox and Xbox like Windows... What will that mean?
You obviously can't make all of Windows have an online subscription, that would kill the platform lol. So what about Xbox games? Either they continue making you pay for Xbox Live and will inherently be inferior options to the same exact games' PC ports on Steam or even Windows Marketplace, or Xbox games now get free online play, on all platforms; obviously the ideal situation for us all, but will MS actually let it happen? And what about OG Xbox and 360 games, which had Live shut down or on its last legs - would MS go as far as providing new alternatives by opening up their legacy Live backends, perhaps letting people host their own game servers? Unifying a closed ecosystem like Xbox with Windows has a lot of implications like this, which need to be really thought about.
I only use my PS5 for online multiplayer games and only use my Switch for local multiplayer stuff nowadays. 85% + of my gaming time is spent on the deck
The deck is a great piece of technology, but I hate playing on a little screen. Even with my Switch I tend to play docked.
I had/have no real reason to buy an Xbox this generation so far, I basically just wait for PC ports to come out or I just don't play those Xbox exclusives. If my Legion Go could essentially be an Xbox I would absolutely buy a lot more Xbox games. I've been just so turned off by the cost of consoles these days and I only begrudgingly bought a PS5 because I'm too much of a Final Fantasy fan-boy to wait for usually poor PC ports.
Xbox might release their own handheld by then to get gamers used to that WinBox interface to keep them under Windows PC. The Steam Deck has me looking at Linux for PC lately.
Love the Dream of the Xbox open Platform, and I believe they will get there with their next console/Handheld. It'll be beautiful when everything becomes so seamless, just hope Sony does the same or else they'll end up like BlockBuster.
Thought you were wearing a fallout jumpsuit for a sec lol
🤣 you have "The Fallout Effect"
I'm still puzzled about valve hiring a developer for linux/arm development. I think that would be great, also imagine an smartphone able to run steam games, on a linux OS(not Android). Unluckly Microsoft will destroy competition as always, now they are buying game development studios and there is no monopoly ban, so there it goes..
Hadn't occurred to me that the next XBox might be ARM, but honestly that'd make a ton of sense. Even more if it'd be a portable.
Unless Steam Deck starts selling in numbers like Nintendo Switch. Microsoft isn't going to be worried about Valve Steam Deck. Microsoft after all still has the OS that the vast amount of gaming PC are using. That's not changing anytime soon. PC video gaming is also bigger than just Steam.
That looks like a very Vaultec polo, and I’m here for it!
I would love to see steam deck Xbox version someday. Steam deck Oled with Linux, Proton and Xbox exclusives
steam deck made me start dual booting linux. i'm now using 80% linux mint and 20% windows.
i'm studying just using a windows virtual machine under linux for stuff that doesn't work on linux instead of dual booting
Over the last ten years, if it’s not on Steam, it’s not going to be played on my PC. The sole exceptions have been Destiny 1 on a borrowed XBox and World of Warcraft.
i could see steam running on an xbox console
and xbox ui/store running perfectly on steamdeck/steamconsole
so the only choice then would be which store do you want to buy it from
seemingly it would depend on where you social ecosystem for that game lives and have ZERO to do with hardware at that point
i'm not sure how i feel about this
it spells death for the xbox as a console, but the way of the 90s console, with wildly different specs and therefor different games, seems dead enough already that it doesn't matter
Imagine the next Xbox conference with Phil Spencer on stage and on walks Gabe Newell to announce Steam coming to Xbox. I just want a fixed hardware PC/Console make it happen Microsoft.
Well, Gabe started his career at Microsoft. Wouldn’t be surprised with a partnership.
Steam will take the box when they upgrade there deck. I think they will see what comes out to smash out a beast after
Not a fan of the subscription model.
Me neither personally
Idk man, I just played gears of war 1 on my steam deck using Xenia and it got me itching so I busted out the old 360 to play some MP
I’ve barely turned on my 3090 rug since getting a steam deck. Best gaming device ever!
True. I sold the Series X and got a deck and installed windows on it. All of Xbox games and its portable
I own a deck and a series x, the deck is amazing and such great prices. I've decided I'd rather own games than have games pass ( as good as pass is)
Game Pass for PC on Steam Deck please
I’m excited for the future of video games!
Very nice video
A "principled approach"? From Microsoft? The same company who's motto was, and still is unofficially, "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish". They want to talk about transparency, but then secretly turn on all the spyware they have baked into your operating system every time you update. That company has a list of horror stories a mile and a half long, and that's just the fine print. Even if they really have changed how they approach their business strategies, it'd only be for about 5 minutes before they close the gate behind you again.
I've been wishing for Microsoft Gamepass being on Steam in a similar way to EA Play for a while now.
I Enjoy the breakdowns. Personally the deck has turned me out to pc. My Xbox and ps5 are collectively collecting dust. My switch too, to be honest, but I still buy physical games there.
I haven't had a Microsoft console since the 360, the Microsoft Store simply can't beat Steam, sorry Microsoft. Windows hasn't seen a hint of my Steam Deck, sorry Microsoft. Please release a hand held Uncle Phil, I won't buy it but I'm eager to see how Valve responds.
I'm sorry for Gabe, but if the Xbox experience on Windows comes as good as the SteamOS, I'm switching to Windows.
I can’t believe I am saying this, but if I could only have 1 gaming device PERIOD, it would be my Steam Deck OLED.
If you think about it the console wars is really only a battle of what console poor people are going to settle for. I speak from experience, after that it rides mostly on pride, the feeling of loyalty and inclusion, a couple of mascots and exclusives to give you something to talk about, argue over.
Some of the best things Steam and Steam Deck does stems from complete freedom and control ... the openness PC offers. I'm curious to see how or if Microsoft will try to lock down an "Xbox PC".
I think MS is at risk of wiggling themselves into a dangerous in between spot where they want the control of locked down platform with the advantages of an open one.
They might develop a 360 emulator for Windows and their Xbox PC ... I'd welcome it ... unlike Xenia they will want to monetize their work - so will it let me load my own games or will it play select Xbox 360 games? Can I take Windows 11 or 12 off of my Xbox PC and put on the OS that I want to install? Will they change their game review system to account for Devs that screw over handheld customers? What about those Steam games with an AO rating - or those that violate MS policies? How much freedom will I be given?
I can't see how Steam Deck is a threat? I think PC handhelds are still a niche product as Switch is still outselling all PC handhelds combined.
My 7 year old mid-range laptop can outperform the Ally and Go. Roblox and Fortnite are still going strong. My son and his friends hardly touch a handheld and much rather play on desktops and laptops with keyboard and mouse.
Xbox has such an ironic name, as it is the box you used to know…
Wow, looks like Gabe is getting in better shape lately. For a billionaire he’s pretty down to earth.
I don't think Microsoft really has a coherent vision for gaming. Too many distinct business units with different (or even competing priorities).
Meanwhile Valve is just ticking along and making purchasing a playing games as seamless and fun for users as possible.