@@MusicMattersGB A question, if you have time to respond... where do odd/irregular time signatures fit into? ie: Rush-Tom Sawyer (7/8) portion and Pink Floyd- Money (7/4)... there are probably others but these come to mind. Would these be considered simple or compound, or maybe something else?
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This video really is an eye opener. Now I actually understand time signatures. I had no idea that there was simple and compound time. Excellent video and channel. I'm subscribed
The explanations are just so simple, yet makes you understand everything fully. I've always had so much trouble with this, and now studying for the ABRSM tests, I really gotta sit down and master these. Thanks so much for these tips and explanations!!!
i’m a third year music major but i’ve been in and out of school and my music major - i’ve always heard how compound time felt different. but I never understood how to count compound meter. hearing “simple meters divide into two, and compound meters divide into three” with the example showing that we group into three made it click. thanks for the work you put into the videos
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This is incredibly helpful, thank you. I think my problem was that I was being too mathematical about it - i.e. '3/2 and 6/4 are just equivalent fractions which are worth the same thing so how is there a difference?' I now realise that it's more about the 'feel' of how they are played.
Amazingly clear, no-nonsense explanation. My 9 year-old's due to tgake his grade 5 soon, and it's been 35 years since I did mine, so this really helped both of us. Thank you so much.
I had never understood the difference between simple and compound times so clearly. Thanks a lot for that. Can you please make a video expanding this subject and focus more on the hearing part? We are so used to hearing 4/4 and 3/4 in modern music that our ears are not entirely familiar with other compound time signatures. Thanks in advance
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or...for added confusion, in the 6/8 example: in the third measure, you could use 4 dotted quavers (to replicate the third measure of the 2/4 example).
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Yes, I hear many people, including some instructors, say that the top number in 6/8 refers to the number of beats -- "We have 6 beats in a measure and the eighth note gets a beat" -- As the video explains, that is NOT true. We always count two beats in each measure of 6/8... Hope I am understanding that right.
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I finally understand what I didn't when I clicked on this video! But, while I was watching, another question arose. What if the top number is 5 or 7 or 11 or something like that? Will it be simple or compound and duple, triple, or quadruple?
My master there is a question if u have time to respond, In 6/8 we divide into twos (beamed with an other beamed) In 3/4.we divide into threes(beamed with another beamed with an other beamed), The question why we dont divide 6/8 just like 3/4,. Is dividing.like that just a definition or there is logic deriving ? Sorry for long.text and for my weak english . from algeria ✌️🌹
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This is fantastic. Really good to know about 2 beats being simple time and 3 beats being compound time as I thought it was totally random and without a clear system however it's good to know these concrete rules like 2,3,4 beats would be simple time for example. Thanks 😌
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Very good explanation. also as a layman, like me, very understandable. Now I'm in front of Beethoven's For Elise. written in 3/8. What's that? simple or compound time. I guess Compound.
Great video! I've been struggling with hearing the difference between compound duple and simple triple, because I keep hearing 1-2-3, 1-2-3 for compound duple. Do you have any tips for this and just listening for meter in general?
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I'm still not getting this whole time signature thing I've watched all your videos on it but still Your videos have been so helpful but time signatures is sth I'm still not seeming to understand
I find it very confusing when music instructors end up playing the melody with complex articulations and added octaves from what is actually on the sheet music. It doesn’t help the student catch the “difference” if you don’t play the two pieces the same way. Why not just stick to the simple melody on the sheet music?
I do when notes are genuinely triplets, not to be confused with groups of three notes in Compound Time that are natural divisions of the beat as opposed to groups of three in Simple Time that are genuine triplets.
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Good explanation except you didn't mention what's the point of using it. The only point is to make it easier to read in sheet notation. Exactly the same melody that you wrote in 6/8 notation can be written in 2/4 notation as well, the only difference is that then it would look more complex in sheet notation.
That’s certainly one of the points. Perhaps the more significant point is that Simple and Compound time have very different feel because of the natural division of the best into 2 or 3.
In Simple time the upper number tells you how many beats per bar ie 2,3,4. In Compound time it tells you how many units per bar then divide by three to establish the beats ie 6,9,12 divide to give 2,3,4 beats. After that the upper number represents an irregular time signature.
Makes no sense. Why do you say, in 6/8, that the dotted quarter note is 1 beat? You just randomely define that then say a measure has 2 beats. Why didn't you just say a quarter gets the beat and you have 3 beats in a measure?
There are two types of time signature - simple and compound. Simple beats naturally divide in 2; compound beats naturally divide in 3. So in 6/8, which is compound, we divide the bar into two beats each comprising three eighth notes. If you divide a 6/8 bar into three quarter notes it becomes 3/4.
Any time signature with 2,3 or 4 at the top is simple; any time signature with 6,9 or 12 at the top is compound. There are two different kinds of time with two distinct musical impacts.
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I've always had some confusion on the subject of 'time signatures'... thank you for making it very easy to understand!
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@@MusicMattersGB A question, if you have time to respond... where do odd/irregular time signatures fit into? ie: Rush-Tom Sawyer (7/8) portion and Pink Floyd- Money (7/4)... there are probably others but these come to mind. Would these be considered simple or compound, or maybe something else?
These are called irregular time signatures eg 5/8 is either 2+3 or 3+2 ie one simple beat and one compound beat.
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This video really is an eye opener. Now I actually understand time signatures. I had no idea that there was simple and compound time. Excellent video and channel. I'm subscribed
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The explanations are just so simple, yet makes you understand everything fully. I've always had so much trouble with this, and now studying for the ABRSM tests, I really gotta sit down and master these. Thanks so much for these tips and explanations!!!
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Hi Sir,
5:08 isnt that a simple quadruple?
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Good spot! Yes, 4/4 should be simple quadruple!
yeah, he probably said it wrong but didn't wan't to stutter
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i’m a third year music major but i’ve been in and out of school and my music major - i’ve always heard how compound time felt different. but I never understood how to count compound meter. hearing “simple meters divide into two, and compound meters divide into three” with the example showing that we group into three made it click. thanks for the work you put into the videos
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This is incredibly helpful, thank you. I think my problem was that I was being too mathematical about it - i.e. '3/2 and 6/4 are just equivalent fractions which are worth the same thing so how is there a difference?' I now realise that it's more about the 'feel' of how they are played.
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Amazingly clear, no-nonsense explanation. My 9 year-old's due to tgake his grade 5 soon, and it's been 35 years since I did mine, so this really helped both of us. Thank you so much.
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Very clear explanations. Thank you!
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Great lesson. Now I know the difference between simple and compound time
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I had never understood the difference between simple and compound times so clearly. Thanks a lot for that. Can you please make a video expanding this subject and focus more on the hearing part? We are so used to hearing 4/4 and 3/4 in modern music that our ears are not entirely familiar with other compound time signatures. Thanks in advance
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Superb explanation, especially with the practical example of how simple and compound times sound. Thanks!
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or...for added confusion, in the 6/8 example: in the third measure, you could use 4 dotted quavers (to replicate the third measure of the 2/4 example).
Yes. There’s more than one option there.
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Do you have a video on ties vs dots? I’m confused why you use one over the other?
We could produce a video on that topic.
That was so clarifying. Thank you so much!
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You explained it very well
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Thank you so much!!!!! Learning it this way makes it so much easier than just memorising it. I understand everything well now!
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5:10 4-4 is simple quadruple right? He says simple triple. Or am I missing it?
4/4 is simple quadruple. 3/4 is simple triple.
Yes, I hear many people, including some instructors, say that the top number in 6/8 refers to the number of beats -- "We have 6 beats in a measure and the eighth note gets a beat" -- As the video explains, that is NOT true. We always count two beats in each measure of 6/8... Hope I am understanding that right.
Absolutely correct.
I don't speak English very well and I understood everything, thanks!
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I finally understand what I didn't when I clicked on this video! But, while I was watching, another question arose. What if the top number is 5 or 7 or 11 or something like that? Will it be simple or compound and duple, triple, or quadruple?
Other numbers such as 5, 7 or 11 represent irregular time signatures which are neither simple nor compound.
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This definitely helped in differentiating between the two.
Surely, it'll be easier to figure out more as i practice but thank you so much for this! 😄
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Is there other compound time signatures besides 6/8, 9/8 and 12/8?
Anything with 6,9 or 12 as the upper number is a Compound time signature - 6/4, 6/16 etc
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very nice explanation sir..to kids, explaining compound timing is very difficult..they understand simple timing in the beginning..
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superb explanation. 6/8 is then 6 subdivisions of 2 beats...or 2 dotted quarter notes...
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My master there is a question if u have time to respond,
In 6/8 we divide into twos (beamed with an other beamed)
In 3/4.we divide into threes(beamed with another beamed with an other beamed),
The question why we dont divide 6/8 just like 3/4,.
Is dividing.like that just a definition or there is logic deriving ?
Sorry for long.text and for my weak english .
from algeria ✌️🌹
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This is fantastic. Really good to know about 2 beats being simple time and 3 beats being compound time as I thought it was totally random and without a clear system however it's good to know these concrete rules like 2,3,4 beats would be simple time for example. Thanks 😌
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Very good explanation. also as a layman, like me, very understandable. Now I'm in front of Beethoven's For Elise. written in 3/8. What's that? simple or compound time. I guess Compound.
Actually 3/8 is simple triple time.
Gosh darn that was boring but now I now what simple and compound time is!
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Great video! I've been struggling with hearing the difference between compound duple and simple triple, because I keep hearing 1-2-3, 1-2-3 for compound duple. Do you have any tips for this and just listening for meter in general?
Adjust your thinking in compound duple so you focus on two beats per bar. It will transform the expressive impact.
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Would 3/8 be considered a compound time signature?
No it’s a simple triple time signature. Anything with 2 3 or 4 as an upper number is Simple time.
How is 4/4 simple triple? Or was that a mistake?
4/4 is simple quadruple.
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Look for the groupings of dotted crotchets
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I'm still not getting this whole time signature thing I've watched all your videos on it but still
Your videos have been so helpful but time signatures is sth I'm still not seeming to understand
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I find it very confusing when music instructors end up playing the melody with complex articulations and added octaves from what is actually on the sheet music. It doesn’t help the student catch the “difference” if you don’t play the two pieces the same way. Why not just stick to the simple melody on the sheet music?
Sometimes the added chords help to hear the impact of the time signatures but in this video I present the melody alone as well as with accompaniment.
What about 7/8?
7/8 is an irregular time signature so sits outside the regular simple and compound time signatures.
@@MusicMattersGB gotcha, thank you!
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You don't use the term triplets?
I do when notes are genuinely triplets, not to be confused with groups of three notes in Compound Time that are natural divisions of the beat as opposed to groups of three in Simple Time that are genuine triplets.
@@MusicMattersGB OK, thanks for clarifying
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Good explanation except you didn't mention what's the point of using it. The only point is to make it easier to read in sheet notation. Exactly the same melody that you wrote in 6/8 notation can be written in 2/4 notation as well, the only difference is that then it would look more complex in sheet notation.
That’s certainly one of the points. Perhaps the more significant point is that Simple and Compound time have very different feel because of the natural division of the best into 2 or 3.
I'm rather looking for an explanation of what appears to be an arbitrary rule about the upper number.
In Simple time the upper number tells you how many beats per bar ie 2,3,4. In Compound time it tells you how many units per bar then divide by three to establish the beats ie 6,9,12 divide to give 2,3,4 beats. After that the upper number represents an irregular time signature.
Makes no sense. Why do you say, in 6/8, that the dotted quarter note is 1 beat? You just randomely define that then say a measure has 2 beats. Why didn't you just say a quarter gets the beat and you have 3 beats in a measure?
There are two types of time signature - simple and compound. Simple beats naturally divide in 2; compound beats naturally divide in 3. So in 6/8, which is compound, we divide the bar into two beats each comprising three eighth notes. If you divide a 6/8 bar into three quarter notes it becomes 3/4.
@@MusicMattersGB So no reason, we just "define" 6/8 to be "compound" and therefore try to divide into groups of 3 eight notes? Thanks for responding.
Any time signature with 2,3 or 4 at the top is simple; any time signature with 6,9 or 12 at the top is compound. There are two different kinds of time with two distinct musical impacts.
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