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I shall sit down with a cup of tea and concentrate! The beauty of a UA-cam video is that you can play it over and over until it sinks in, unlike a classroom scenario. The sooner the education authorities take this onboard the better.
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i used to think of 6/8 as a 2/4 where everything is triplets. that's fundamentally what's happening but the patterns in 6/8 aren't typical triplet patterns
The basic difference to me as a percussionist is each meter creates the basic stress points of the eighth notes. In 3/4 it's 3 duples, 1+2+3+. In 6/8 it's 2 triples 123,456. Beats 1 and 4 being the strong beats. In manys cases the 2 meters are interchangeable depending on how you accent the rhythm. Composers generally pick one or the other depending on basic stress points they want to hear rhythmically in any given phrase. In a lot of Latin American orchestral music you'll often see the meter switch back and forth between 3/4 & 6/8 depending upon when the composer wants to hear duples or triples, while the eighth note tempo remains the same. It's all about using notation to aid the musician to, " feel it baby, feel it"!
I think that's a terrific way of explaining 6/8 time. We've been taught from the onset of any musical education understanding Time Signature starting with 4/4 Time "Top Number Beats in a Measure, Bottom Number what Note gets a Full Beat". 6 Beats per measure and every 1/8 note gets a full beat??? View it as 6 of something in a measure and what those 6 of something are is simplistically brilliant. Thank you!!🤗
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Nice explanation. I play Irish music, so the best way we distinguish, especially for those whose don't read music well, is to say that 3/4 is basically a waltz time, while 6/8 is essentially a jig time. The key is, as you finally got around to saying, the number of beats in the bar. The waltz is a 3-beat bar, while the jig is a 2-beat bar.
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@@MusicMattersGB If you have two dotted quarters in a 3/4 measure, how is that different than two quarters in a 2/4 measure, since tempos can vary within time signatures? Both situations would be two equal length notes per measure.
Thank you, Mr Green, for the most straightforward simplest English in which you can tell the difference of simple & compound time. I'm listening to the words and ideas you're able to ennunciate come as "music" to my ears. A non-native speaker of your language, I am very appreciative of your insights of music AND your ability to get through to me. Thanks again.
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Thanks to the UA-cam algorithm, I ran into this video. I'd never really given a thought to it and then reminisced about playing Minuano some 25 yesrs ago. The Bob Lowden arrangement written in 6/8, with a bass part playing 3/4 time, horn parts shifting between phrases with a 3/4 feel and phrases with a 6/8 feel.
godamn.. I finally get it. that might have been the most concise explanation of the most confusing part (at least to me) about time signatures I have ever watched. Your a gentleman and scholar good sir, thanks. Might not have to say it but I’m not being sarcastic. I’m just really that happy i stumbled onto this.
I learned reading music year by year in grade school through to high school music and band classes and must be known to get into school marching bands or bands or orchestra settings or such as military bands and music groups with instruments and vocals. I was taught that 6/8 was called and considered as being "WALTZ TIME" !!! Thanks for this video sir, it is most appreciated !!! 👍😎🎸🤘👏☺️🎼🇺🇸🙏 DDH 8-22-2023.
It's IMportant to place the emPHASis on the correct sylLABle (as well as the correct beat). Thank you so much for explaining one of the great mysteries of music composition. I'm a novice and this is the first really good explanation I've heard. Thanks again!
I think it really can help to set things out like this on a whiteboard and to then go through examples as you show in this video is a very effective way of making things clearer. Thank you very much for this video , have a lovely day P.S I am an intermediate piano player and I skipped two grades, not having much actual basic music theory knowledge so these videos are very useful to me !
Thank you Sir 🎉 For nice explanation of Simple time and Compound time. In Indian music we are also using 5/8 & 7/8. Thank you for detailed simple English speech 🙂👌🤝😊
As a beat producer, I've written music pieces in 6/8, that had a very interesting feel to them. The songs felt like they where slower than their actual tempo. I'd write a song in 6/8 at 120bpm, but it sounded like it could pass as a 4/4 song at 90bpm with a bit of swing thrown in the beat. Watching this video on 3/4 vs 6/8 really helped me understand the feel of the time signatures better. Thank you very much! 😁
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HALLELUYA!! After 45 years, I FINALLY understand and "get it"! i went to boarding school with a 1st class music department, and was always very musical, but despite spending 4 years studying music theory, i got none of it in truth, and this has quite literally haunted me ever since, as i want to be able to make sense of it all, as my type of music is very complex, and it would help me to understand more. Anyway - `many thanks for clearing that up, and i will now rummage through your other materials!
I think the better question is what's the difference between a bar in 6/8 and two bars at double the tempo in 3/4, since there are many waltzes written in both ways.
Musician acquaintance said to me years ago that in his world, it's really hard to mess up a 6/8 blues, but it's also quite hard to make them interesting.
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I first met this in my early days of learnning piano, playing Einaudi's African Melody 3. The right hand groups the bar as two dotted crotchets, in a manner typical of 6/8, , and the left hand as three crotchets, in a manner typical of 3/4.
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Great video but I think the explanation ignores the main reason why 3/4 and 6/8 are confused when listening eg the 4th quaver beat in the first bar of a 6/8 piece (especially when stressed) can be heard as the 1st beat of the second bar of 3/4. In this way, a slow six eight can be heard by the uninitiated as a fast 3/4 with two-bar phrasing.
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Chopin's Fantasy Impromptu Op 66 showed just how revolutionary the composer was. Written in cut time (2/2) but the top and bottom are uneven, so you play it making it fit. That piece really defied conventions. So to play this piece you are dealing with polyrhythm (two different rhythms in each hand - 16th notes in the right hand with left hand triplets). Cool! He wrote this in 1834, but it also mimicked Beethoven's Moonlight sonata's polyrhythm and that was published like 1802. Chopin's Op 66 was published in 1855 against Chopin's wishes that any of his posthumous works would be released.
@@MusicMattersGB You have to admit Chopin's Op 66 is odd to play. But it sounds so beautiful. You have to depend on your ear to make the top and bottom staves fit right.
I have fun in my mind with Mozart, Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, 3rd Movement (minuet and trio). It can be interpreted in the mind both ways, and switch back and forth between 6/8 and 3/4 like an auditory illusion!
friend of mine pointed this out to me years ago, it helped quite a bit. "6/8 is really 2 beats with triplets". I think what this does is gives you a difference of accents on those two beats, whereas if you have 3/4 you'd have equal emphasis on the beat.
Where I think this gets confusing is when you incorporate cut time - 3/4 in cut time sounds a lot like a slow 6/8. I often hear people describe 3/4 as a Waltz, but many waltzes have more of a solid dotted half note feel rather than 3 strong quarters.
Difference between 6/8 and 3/4 In 3/4 there are three crotchet beats (quarter note beats) per bar. Each crotchet beat naturally divides in two so 6 quavers (eighth notes) places the pulse on quavers 1.3.5. In 6/8 there are two dotted crotchet beats (dotted quarter note beats) per bar. Each dotted crotchet beat naturally divides into 3 quavers (eighth notes) so 6 quavers (eighth notes) places the pulse on quavers 1.4. That’s the essential difference. Of course there are musical examples in which composers do something different but this explanation describes the standard position.
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Ooops = what's the "diffence". That can be fixed with a clever edit since the background is static. Good luck. Actually you noticed it during the video - nice touch! Perhaps not worth worrying about.
This is a great explanation though slightly overcomplicated. If you want to understand 6/8 just listen to Doo-Op music. Often the feel is more important than the technical side of things.
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Put more simply: 3/4 = three beats to the measure, quarter note gets the beat. 6/8 = six beats to the measure, eighth note gets the beat. The difference is that 6/8 FEELS like two beats to the measure with the beat landing on two sets of triplets.
Excellent ! They never told me that in my music school, For them 6/8 was TA TA TA / TA TA TA and 3/4 TA TA TA just that? Yes just that now PLAY!...I deduced that there is something not serious or that sounds wrong.. :) Thank you Sir
Three quavers stepped into a bar, and they were so impressed with a dotted crotchet that soon they had twelve semiquavers. They were not allowed in the bar after that, however (it was a respectable bar).
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I shall sit down with a cup of tea and concentrate! The beauty of a UA-cam video is that you can play it over and over until it sinks in, unlike a classroom scenario. The sooner the education authorities take this onboard the better.
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Excellent presentation! Rarely have I seen this explained with greater clarity.
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i used to think of 6/8 as a 2/4 where everything is triplets. that's fundamentally what's happening but the patterns in 6/8 aren't typical triplet patterns
It’s good to know the real difference
The basic difference to me as a percussionist is each meter creates the basic stress points of the eighth notes. In 3/4 it's 3 duples, 1+2+3+. In 6/8 it's 2 triples 123,456. Beats 1 and 4 being the strong beats. In manys cases the 2 meters are interchangeable depending on how you accent the rhythm.
Composers generally pick one or the other depending on basic stress points they want to hear rhythmically in any given phrase. In a lot of Latin American orchestral music you'll often see the meter switch back and forth between 3/4 & 6/8 depending upon when the composer wants to hear duples or triples, while the eighth note tempo remains the same.
It's all about using notation to aid the musician to, " feel it baby, feel it"!
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I think that's a terrific way of explaining 6/8 time. We've been taught from the onset of any musical education understanding Time Signature starting with 4/4 Time "Top Number Beats in a Measure, Bottom Number what Note gets a Full Beat". 6 Beats per measure and every 1/8 note gets a full beat??? View it as 6 of something in a measure and what those 6 of something are is simplistically brilliant. Thank you!!🤗
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Nice explanation. I play Irish music, so the best way we distinguish, especially for those whose don't read music well, is to say that 3/4 is basically a waltz time, while 6/8 is essentially a jig time. The key is, as you finally got around to saying, the number of beats in the bar. The waltz is a 3-beat bar, while the jig is a 2-beat bar.
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@@MusicMattersGB If you have two dotted quarters in a 3/4 measure, how is that different than two quarters in a 2/4 measure, since tempos can vary within time signatures? Both situations would be two equal length notes per measure.
That could be possible if you matched up the tempo…
Thank you, Mr Green, for the most straightforward simplest English in which you can tell the difference of simple & compound time. I'm listening to the words and ideas you're able to ennunciate come as "music" to my ears. A non-native speaker of your language, I am very appreciative of your insights of music AND your ability to get through to me. Thanks again.
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Thank you. This is the first time this has ever made any sense to me.
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Another clear, perfectly explained video! Thank you.
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Thanks to the UA-cam algorithm, I ran into this video. I'd never really given a thought to it and then reminisced about playing Minuano some 25 yesrs ago.
The Bob Lowden arrangement written in 6/8, with a bass part playing 3/4 time, horn parts shifting between phrases with a 3/4 feel and phrases with a 6/8 feel.
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godamn.. I finally get it. that might have been the most concise explanation of the most confusing part (at least to me) about time signatures I have ever watched. Your a gentleman and scholar good sir, thanks. Might not have to say it but I’m not being sarcastic. I’m just really that happy i stumbled onto this.
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I learned reading music year by year in grade school through to high school music and band classes and must be known to get into school marching bands or bands or orchestra settings or such as military bands and music groups with instruments and vocals.
I was taught that 6/8 was called and considered as being "WALTZ TIME" !!! Thanks for this video sir, it is most appreciated !!! 👍😎🎸🤘👏☺️🎼🇺🇸🙏 DDH 8-22-2023.
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It's IMportant to place the emPHASis on the correct sylLABle (as well as the correct beat). Thank you so much for explaining one of the great mysteries of music composition. I'm a novice and this is the first really good explanation I've heard. Thanks again!
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Been trying to wrap my head around 6/8 for years - without much success. Finally, the explanation I was looking for all this time. Thank you!
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6/8 traditionally is a Marching Rhythm and has a triplet feel like an old English Sea Shanty.
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A brilliant introduction. Now let's do the hemiola, like in Bernstein's 'America', where he switches between thee twos and two threes.
We have a video explaining hemiola.
I think it really can help to set things out like this on a whiteboard and to then go through examples as you show in this video is a very effective way of making things clearer.
Thank you very much for this video , have a lovely day
P.S I am an intermediate piano player and I skipped two grades, not having much actual basic music theory knowledge so these videos are very useful to me !
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For nice explanation of Simple time and Compound time.
In Indian music we are also using 5/8 & 7/8.
Thank you for detailed simple English speech 🙂👌🤝😊
A pleasure. 5/8 and 7/8 also appear in Western music.
As a beat producer, I've written music pieces in 6/8, that had a very interesting feel to them. The songs felt like they where slower than their actual tempo. I'd write a song in 6/8 at 120bpm, but it sounded like it could pass as a 4/4 song at 90bpm with a bit of swing thrown in the beat. Watching this video on 3/4 vs 6/8 really helped me understand the feel of the time signatures better. Thank you very much! 😁
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HALLELUYA!! After 45 years, I FINALLY understand and "get it"! i went to boarding school with a 1st class music department, and was always very musical, but despite spending 4 years studying music theory, i got none of it in truth, and this has quite literally haunted me ever since, as i want to be able to make sense of it all, as my type of music is very complex, and it would help me to understand more. Anyway - `many thanks for clearing that up, and i will now rummage through your other materials!
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i went from “ok, this makes sense” to “wait…WHAT!?” to “Ohhhhh, it DOES make sense!” Very well done. Thanking you.
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Thanks for making this. I've been struggling with time signatures and you've made something click in my head. Your delivery is great too.
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I think the better question is what's the difference between a bar in 6/8 and two bars at double the tempo in 3/4, since there are many waltzes written in both ways.
The answer of course is about the emphasis of metre ie 1 strong beat in 3/4 or 1 strong beat followed by 1 weaker beat in 6/8.
@@MusicMattersGB Thanks!
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Finally! I've been looking for a proper explanation that makes sense, and this is it - thank you so much!
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Not sure why the YT algorithm took me here but finally I could understand something basic stuff about notes...
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what a clear explanation sir. Thank you very much I am just a beginner and was so confused about 6/8 ..thanks indeed 😍
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So pleased you corrected that spelling..
Great job.
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Musician acquaintance said to me years ago that in his world, it's really hard to mess up a 6/8 blues, but it's also quite hard to make them interesting.
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Wonderfully explained, same with your 2/4, 4/4 video. Thanks for the enlightenment.
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Well done ..solid correct info presented at a steady pace for beginners and more advanced people to learn. from....helping them to build a solid music base from which to become much better musicians.......well done you 🙏🙏🙏🙏
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You explained this very well, I understand the difference.
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I first met this in my early days of learnning piano, playing Einaudi's African Melody 3. The right hand groups the bar as two dotted crotchets, in a manner typical of 6/8, , and the left hand as three crotchets, in a manner typical of 3/4.
Good example
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A very nice explanation of the difference between 3/4 and 6/8. I always thought of 6/8 as a version of 2/4 (for marches) with triplets built in.
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Yes, I see 12/8 as 4 'swung' triplets.
It’s certainly a way of accessing 12/8.
Correct, 6/8 traditionally is a Marching Rhythm and has a triplet feel like an old English Sea Shanty.
Thank you for clearing my mind of the fog that arrived.
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Superb presentation - I don't always recognise the difference between 3/4 and 6/8. I spotted "diffence" before you did as well! :)
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Extremely useful, and I am pleased that you corrected your spelling error.
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Completly grand! Thank you! I´m a music teacher this year newly teaching in english. My english i so-so. And you stuff is so helpful for me.
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Really easy to understand. Thanks
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I loved this explanation. Thank you
That’s great
Thanks for sharing
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Beautifully explained
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Much for this very valuable piece of information.❤
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Thank you for finally explaining the difference to me.
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Great explanation, thank you so much
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Finally I’ve begun to understand this! Thank you so much
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You can even play a 4/4 feel over a 6/8 song and it will give it a 12/8 feel to change things up for a few bars. Very flexible.
Cross rhythms are always fun
Absolutely brilliant !
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Happy 2022. Thanks for sharing. Good music skills is of invaluable benefit to the mind. Every good and perfect gift comes from the Father of Lights. He deserves our praise through the marvelous gift of music. Receiving and communicating His perfect love confidently and effectively, is the Way to live, make music, and change the world His Son died for (that we all may be saved). Blessings
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I have been a musician for 50 years and have not seen it explained this way. I always assumed it was only about the accents. Bravo!
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A superb explanation.. Thank you
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Great video but I think the explanation ignores the main reason why 3/4 and 6/8 are confused when listening eg the 4th quaver beat in the first bar of a 6/8 piece (especially when stressed) can be heard as the 1st beat of the second bar of 3/4. In this way, a slow six eight can be heard by the uninitiated as a fast 3/4 with two-bar phrasing.
Absolutely
Best explanation ever...thank you :D
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thank you so much this was so useful
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This is extremely informative. Thank you very much
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Chopin's Fantasy Impromptu Op 66 showed just how revolutionary the composer was. Written in cut time (2/2) but the top and bottom are uneven, so you play it making it fit. That piece really defied conventions. So to play this piece you are dealing with polyrhythm (two different rhythms in each hand - 16th notes in the right hand with left hand triplets). Cool! He wrote this in 1834, but it also mimicked Beethoven's Moonlight sonata's polyrhythm and that was published like 1802. Chopin's Op 66 was published in 1855 against Chopin's wishes that any of his posthumous works would be released.
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@@MusicMattersGB You have to admit Chopin's Op 66 is odd to play. But it sounds so beautiful. You have to depend on your ear to make the top and bottom staves fit right.
Wonderful piece
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I have fun in my mind with Mozart, Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, 3rd Movement (minuet and trio). It can be interpreted in the mind both ways, and switch back and forth between 6/8 and 3/4 like an auditory illusion!
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Gee, I've been writing a few of my songs in 6/8 all this time and didn't know it. Thanks.
Excellent
Thanks for confirming my understanding. Your explanation is very clear, great teaching!
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friend of mine pointed this out to me years ago, it helped quite a bit. "6/8 is really 2 beats with triplets". I think what this does is gives you a difference of accents on those two beats, whereas if you have 3/4 you'd have equal emphasis on the beat.
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Correct, 6/8 traditionally is a Marching Rhythm and has a triplet feel like an old English Sea Shanty.
Thank you so much for this tutorial 😊
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Where I think this gets confusing is when you incorporate cut time - 3/4 in cut time sounds a lot like a slow 6/8. I often hear people describe 3/4 as a Waltz, but many waltzes have more of a solid dotted half note feel rather than 3 strong quarters.
Difference between 6/8 and 3/4
In 3/4 there are three crotchet beats (quarter note beats) per bar. Each crotchet beat naturally divides in two so 6 quavers (eighth notes) places the pulse on quavers 1.3.5.
In 6/8 there are two dotted crotchet beats (dotted quarter note beats) per bar. Each dotted crotchet beat naturally divides into 3 quavers (eighth notes) so 6 quavers (eighth notes) places the pulse on quavers 1.4. That’s the essential difference. Of course there are musical examples in which composers do something different but this explanation describes the standard position.
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Well *Audi! I played drum from 4th through 11th grade and never understood this. Thanks. "Never too old..."
That’s great
crochets and quavers -- so much more delightful than quarter notes and eighth notes!
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Thanks! Really clear and useful explanations!
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Very well explained.
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Ooops = what's the "diffence". That can be fixed with a clever edit since the background is static. Good luck.
Actually you noticed it during the video - nice touch! Perhaps not worth worrying about.
Yes. Apologies for that error, which I noticed midway through filming the video!
Gareth, love this explanation. But can I make a suggestion? Perhaps open the video by playing the two signatures, then giving the explanation?
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This is a great explanation though slightly overcomplicated. If you want to understand 6/8 just listen to Doo-Op music. Often the feel is more important than the technical side of things.
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Put more simply: 3/4 = three beats to the measure, quarter note gets the beat. 6/8 = six beats to the measure, eighth note gets the beat.
The difference is that 6/8 FEELS like two beats to the measure with the beat landing on two sets of triplets.
Absolutely but don’t think of 6/8 as 6 beats.
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Excellent ! They never told me that in my music school, For them 6/8 was TA TA TA / TA TA TA and 3/4 TA TA TA just that? Yes just that now PLAY!...I deduced that there is something not serious or that sounds wrong.. :)
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Three quavers stepped into a bar, and they were so impressed with a dotted crotchet that soon they had twelve semiquavers. They were not allowed in the bar after that, however (it was a respectable bar).
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Well explained! Thank you! I always wondered how the difference was constructed.
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I think of it this way: 3/4 is like, mmm bop bop, mmm bop bop and 6/8 is like, ta dada ta dada
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That's it, in a nutshell. Singing a rhythm is the best way to feel it.
Very true
Thank you! As an engineer it never made sense to me. Until now
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Very good explanation
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Merci beaucoup pour votre travail de qualité ! Vous êtes un excellent enseignant, merci beaucoup !
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Thanks for reminding me of what I forgot . I played clarinet jr and high school, and I loved it. I also understand why I also had so many headaches then as well.😁
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9:09 is good enough answer sir, thanks
That’s good
I always wondered what the "diffence" was.
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No harm, no foul, the lesson was still interesting.
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