At least with old yeller we had young yeller. But fox and the hound nobody got a happy ending. I think this is why Disney sometimes changes things for the best or at least back then they did. Sadly, we don’t get stories like this anymore from anyone, shit Hollywood leave the politics to politicians and start learning to tell stories again.
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As if that movie wasn’t sad enough 😭 I used to cry every time I watched it. The whole thing is sad. That scene where she is leaving Todd out in the woods and he doesn’t understand is forever etched into my brain 😭😭😭
I rewatched the movie with my wife a few months ago and we were both tearing up. It was my first time seeing the movie since getting a dog and it hit me on a whole new level 😭
@@JonSolo like the whole thing is sad. Just one tragedy after another. Had me crying as a child, I don’t even want to try to watch as an adult. I’ll have to call off work because I’m in such a depression I can’t get out of bed 😂
Chief was originally supposed to die in the Disney movie as well. Frankly, I think it would’ve made more sense, but I’m glad that he didn’t. I actually recently bought this movie for my little boy because it was a favorite of mine as a kid, and he loves it as much as I do.
I've seen a UA-cam channel dedicated to the differences between the Disney and original and I think there are at least two that are around an hour long
Sounds a lot like the end of Old Yeller, the saddest movie ever made, which they used to make us watch at least once a year in grade school back in the 80s
The dog in To Build a Fire just watched the main character die and then ran to camp to get food. Granted I don't know if I can blame him after the main character tried to kill him and use him as a pair of hand warmers...
@@Terron-de-pimienta Fairly sure OP was saying that they preferred Jack London because of his favoritism toward dogs. (My own dog is named Buck after the hero of Call of the Wild) Aaaaand while White Fang was 2/3 Wolf (IIRC) it was pretty consistently hammered in throughout the story that he'd been raised as a dog, that by the time he was sold off to Beauty Smith he was so much dog that living in the wild was possible but not something he could really fathom. If he'd been more Wolfish, or not found Grey Beaver's tribe again after being separated it'd be a whole different story.
I was just talking with my coworker about still crying watching The Land Before Time... 😢 😭 poor Littlefoot... I'm in my mid 40s n still cry watching that... and All Dogs Go to Heaven... 😭😭😭
Oh my goodness that’s so sad! I can see why Disney wasn’t prepared for darker themes like death because in that time, they wanted to keep a G rated image.
This is why Disney was a genius back in the day, the stories that he used to make his movies, would not be approachable to anyone much less those trying to make a G-rated movie. The Fox and the Hound is not the only one.
I didn't expect anything less than that depressing tale. Homeward bound isn't a happy go lucky story either but Disney is great at changing the narrative, lol.
They're both really sad. Ive read the original it's so messed up. The writer's goal was to make the story more towards real animal life and how they are and are used.
The Fox and the Hound is my favorite Disney movie I grew up with and this original story by Daniel P. Mannix especially the ending destroyed me! *Hugging and kissing Tod and Copper plushies* 😭
SPOILERS!!! I read Daniel P. Mannix's book a couple of years ago and I must say, it became one of my favorite books of all time. And yes, the story is depressing, there is death and pain, but the narrative and construction - transition from the rural environment to the inevitably modern one, is excellent. Some details from the book: - Cooper is a particularly sadistic dog and also enjoys punishing Tod. - Both The Master (that's the hunter's name in the novel) and Cooper make Tod suffer by killing his partner and puppies on different occasions. One suffocating them with gas, and another, shooting them. - There are several brutal deaths in the book: A child is poisoned, a wild fox is shot to death, and Tod's mother is torn apart by dogs at the beginning of the novel when he was just a puppy, this at the beginning of the first chapter of the book. ... - Both Fox and Hound die at the end of the novel, with Cooper's death being the most depressing in my opinion. - There is no human intervention in the novel, on the contrary humans are secondary, everything is narrated from the point of view of the animal protagonists who seek to survive and fulfill their own desires. In short, read the book, I recommend it, it is a wild ride from start to finish and yet it will leave you thinking and reflecting when you reach the last page 🙌🏻. Greetings and thanks for reading if you got this far 🙌🏻.
It's sad that hunters viewed the end of life in the sense that the dog will die anyways and just put it in thier hands to kill them I will never understand. Unless the dog has something terminal then I would say to help put them to rest, not just because the animal is old. But, I also never read the book so, perhaps copper was dying from an illness. I'm sure someone in the comments will tell me.
My dad’s family did this to dogs the deemed unworthy. My dad use to talk about the dog they shot not once but twice, who managed to still make it home to be shot yet again but my father’s family
Dianey loved his fairy tales , and books ,but he know that he wanted his stories to be more kid friendly, so thats what he did he tamed the stories down fo all to enjoy . Snow white example the witch was invited to the wedding force to wear iron shoes to dance in them ,tell she died or passed out from the pain depending on what verson Cinderella the evil steep sister and the steep mother had there eyes scrached by Cinderella's Forest Friends the bird There are a lot other endings ,and swiches to the tells that walt Disney made , still those still make the magic still put a twist into the newer movies they make .
my dad rented me this one day as a surprize and i got angry at him after watching it because i was crying my fugging eyes out over it. i was so angry. i remember scream crying at him about it lol. idk how old i was, maybe 6 or 7. too many kids movies involve animals and they never have happy endings lol. sometimes they do but even then its not worth the trauma. homeward bound ffs! yea they make it home but that still doesn't take away the trauma of them getting in danger along the way. SHADOW WAS OLD! HE ALMOST DIDNT MAKE IT DUDE COME ON! its prob why today i dont want kids, i have 6 dogs instead who are like my children lol.
Good. Night. Almighty!!!! 😨😨 When people say Mufasa's death is the worst thing they've seen then I know they had a sheltered childhood and were never exposed to this trauma inducing movie. (And Dumbo....like who thinks locking a mother up for protecting her kid and then making her sing to the baby through iron bars while the baby cries the biggest tears in the world is something kids want to see?!?....yay..."its a family movie!" 😑)
I was today years old when I learned that The Fox and the Hound had an original story 😭😭 Also, what was writers' obsession with tragic endings back then?! 💔 😭
I'm trying to remember how Born to Run ended. I recall crying at some parts, but not why. Well, one part I remember had to do with a river. You figure out the rest.
Of course that's not surprising at all. Because literally any serious story about dogs has to end with the dogs death. Old yeller, where the red furns grow, this. Its either generic sad ending or absurd cujo/airbud. It's an extremely simple, manipulative, creatively banked rupped way to seem as if your story has mature emotional depth.
For anyone in the comments I watched his full video and let me tell you the original fox and the hound is extremely dark way more darker then biabe the book or movie.
Cry at the original one?? I cried at the _Disney_ one! They're BOTH heart breaking, the original is just worse 😭
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The voice i imagined for your comment will now and forever make me laugh
I'd say the Disney one is more bittersweet, because all the characters live, and Copper and Todd part ways with a smile.
It’s sadder than the ending in the movie poor chief, Copper and Todd.
Old Yeller style :(
At least with old yeller we had young yeller. But fox and the hound nobody got a happy ending. I think this is why Disney sometimes changes things for the best or at least back then they did. Sadly, we don’t get stories like this anymore from anyone, shit Hollywood leave the politics to politicians and start learning to tell stories again.
I'm confused. Was chief and copper different dogs? I thought the older dog in the movie was an old chief
@@QueenOfControversy In the disney movie Chief is old and Copper is a pup
As a dog owner who lost 4 dogs from natural causes in 2023 alone this hits me hard.
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How all 4 the same year?
As if that movie wasn’t sad enough 😭 I used to cry every time I watched it. The whole thing is sad. That scene where she is leaving Todd out in the woods and he doesn’t understand is forever etched into my brain 😭😭😭
I rewatched the movie with my wife a few months ago and we were both tearing up. It was my first time seeing the movie since getting a dog and it hit me on a whole new level 😭
@@JonSolo like the whole thing is sad. Just one tragedy after another. Had me crying as a child, I don’t even want to try to watch as an adult. I’ll have to call off work because I’m in such a depression I can’t get out of bed 😂
The fox and the hound....why we cant have nice things.
Yeah the original source materials are f’d up.
Dude…
That’s so depressing…
But what’s also different is that while chief died in the books, he has a broken leg in the Disney film.
Chief was originally supposed to die in the Disney movie as well. Frankly, I think it would’ve made more sense, but I’m glad that he didn’t. I actually recently bought this movie for my little boy because it was a favorite of mine as a kid, and he loves it as much as I do.
I've seen a UA-cam channel dedicated to the differences between the Disney and original and I think there are at least two that are around an hour long
Sounds a lot like the end of Old Yeller, the saddest movie ever made, which they used to make us watch at least once a year in grade school back in the 80s
seriously???
Good times.
At least Old Yeller had rabies, this was a perfectly fine dog he could have just rehomed. 😢
@@Elegantly_Bored No, dude just thinks his upbringing was everyone else's. Sheltered idiot.
This is why Jack London is the greatest. In his stories, the dog is the hero and lives.
The dog in To Build a Fire just watched the main character die and then ran to camp to get food. Granted I don't know if I can blame him after the main character tried to kill him and use him as a pair of hand warmers...
I love Jack London’s stories!
This novel was wrote by Daniel P. Mannix, fella...
Also, White Fang was most wolf than dog actually.
@@Terron-de-pimienta
Fairly sure OP was saying that they preferred Jack London because of his favoritism toward dogs. (My own dog is named Buck after the hero of Call of the Wild)
Aaaaand while White Fang was 2/3 Wolf (IIRC) it was pretty consistently hammered in throughout the story that he'd been raised as a dog, that by the time he was sold off to Beauty Smith he was so much dog that living in the wild was possible but not something he could really fathom. If he'd been more Wolfish, or not found Grey Beaver's tribe again after being separated it'd be a whole different story.
@@Nicole-kr6tnJack London was a lying pos like Upton Sinclair.
People love to consume their fiction-as-fact bullshit.
This is the first time that Jon actually ruined my childhood. This, after maybe 4 years of following.
My boy died 7/23.
Yeah I'm still not the same.
This just wrecked me more.
I feel you my boy died 12/3/23 he was 15 but damn did it hurt and I miss him so much. It does change you
My dog died 3 days ago, I miss her.
Nope. Could've lived without knowing that. 😢
I wasn't ready for that.
Right! I cry at the Disney version n this made it worse 😭😭😭🥺🥺🥺
Probably the fourth in disney / disneyish movies that can make me cry as a kid.
After The Land Before Time, An American Tail, and Once Upon A Forest.
I was just talking with my coworker about still crying watching The Land Before Time... 😢 😭 poor Littlefoot... I'm in my mid 40s n still cry watching that... and All Dogs Go to Heaven... 😭😭😭
Oh my goodness that’s so sad! I can see why Disney wasn’t prepared for darker themes like death because in that time, they wanted to keep a G rated image.
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This short literally just made me tear up.
Holy s*** that's depressing
I am always cried at both versions😢
That’s needlessly sad.
🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺😭😭😭😭😭😭
Now, I am thinking of my dog and how she's getting old. 🥺
I didnt need to know that 😢
"Trustingly licks his hand, then bang"..
Dogs will give you some of your best days…and one of your worst
The poem the woman says after she abandons Tod hits hard on anyone who's lost a pet
Good thing that they changed the original.😢😅
Disney just loves dark stories but I’m glad they change their endings, like Cinderella, The Little Mermaid, Rapunzel… etc
Have you realized that Blitzo's friendship with Fizz is like Todd and Copper's?
That’s much more along the lines of life
Reminds me of Of Mice and Men - cant imagine having to put down a loved one for the betterment of others
This dude just no joke ruined my life
Thanks for making it depressing🫤
Copper is so cute when he was a pup😂 in the movie version
Who's cutting onions in here.... Someone must be cutting onions.... 😭
its got that “Look at the flowers Lizzie” typa ending😞😞
This is why Disney was a genius back in the day, the stories that he used to make his movies, would not be approachable to anyone much less those trying to make a G-rated movie. The Fox and the Hound is not the only one.
Listening to that feels like a shot through the heart
I didn't expect anything less than that depressing tale. Homeward bound isn't a happy go lucky story either but Disney is great at changing the narrative, lol.
First read it through a book loan in High School.
Took me almost a week to fully process that ending...
You have just broken my heart
I wish i didn't know this now. But very glad they used the ending they did
Weak ass society.
They're both really sad. Ive read the original it's so messed up. The writer's goal was to make the story more towards real animal life and how they are and are used.
Goodbyes may seem forever, farewell is like the end
_This made me CRY_
The Fox and the Hound is my favorite Disney movie I grew up with and this original story by Daniel P. Mannix especially the ending destroyed me! *Hugging and kissing Tod and Copper plushies* 😭
Yeah this is one I’m gonna pause. You had me at Pinocchio and Notre Dame originals but I can’t hear a classic get sadder by it’s classic.
Damn...😔
"just look at the flowers, Copper"
SPOILERS!!!
I read Daniel P. Mannix's book a couple of years ago and I must say, it became one of my favorite books of all time.
And yes, the story is depressing, there is death and pain, but the narrative and construction - transition from the rural environment to the inevitably modern one, is excellent.
Some details from the book:
- Cooper is a particularly sadistic dog and also enjoys punishing Tod.
- Both The Master (that's the hunter's name in the novel) and Cooper make Tod suffer by killing his partner and puppies on different occasions. One suffocating them with gas, and another, shooting them.
- There are several brutal deaths in the book: A child is poisoned, a wild fox is shot to death, and Tod's mother is torn apart by dogs at the beginning of the novel when he was just a puppy, this at the beginning of the first chapter of the book. ...
- Both Fox and Hound die at the end of the novel, with Cooper's death being the most depressing in my opinion.
- There is no human intervention in the novel, on the contrary humans are secondary, everything is narrated from the point of view of the animal protagonists who seek to survive and fulfill their own desires.
In short, read the book, I recommend it, it is a wild ride from start to finish and yet it will leave you thinking and reflecting when you reach the last page 🙌🏻.
Greetings and thanks for reading if you got this far 🙌🏻.
This is just too painful for words!! 😮😮😢😢😢
I cried at the description of it, I ain't gonna hold up in the movie 😢
The "Fox and the Hound" is my favorite Disney movie
It's sad that hunters viewed the end of life in the sense that the dog will die anyways and just put it in thier hands to kill them I will never understand. Unless the dog has something terminal then I would say to help put them to rest, not just because the animal is old. But, I also never read the book so, perhaps copper was dying from an illness. I'm sure someone in the comments will tell me.
My dad’s family did this to dogs the deemed unworthy. My dad use to talk about the dog they shot not once but twice, who managed to still make it home to be shot yet again but my father’s family
The fuck?
Dianey loved his fairy tales , and books ,but he know that he wanted his stories to be more kid friendly, so thats what he did he tamed the stories down fo all to enjoy .
Snow white example the witch was invited to the wedding force to wear iron shoes to dance in them ,tell she died or passed out from the pain depending on what verson
Cinderella the evil steep sister and the steep mother had there eyes scrached by Cinderella's Forest Friends the bird
There are a lot other endings ,and swiches to the tells that walt Disney made , still those still make the magic still put a twist into the newer movies they make .
Love how humans are the literal cruelest species and everyone is just cool with it.
my dad rented me this one day as a surprize and i got angry at him after watching it because i was crying my fugging eyes out over it. i was so angry. i remember scream crying at him about it lol. idk how old i was, maybe 6 or 7. too many kids movies involve animals and they never have happy endings lol. sometimes they do but even then its not worth the trauma. homeward bound ffs! yea they make it home but that still doesn't take away the trauma of them getting in danger along the way. SHADOW WAS OLD! HE ALMOST DIDNT MAKE IT DUDE COME ON! its prob why today i dont want kids, i have 6 dogs instead who are like my children lol.
When you told me this story I started crying
Both of these movies scared me as a kid
Despite me being a cat person, I can understand what it feels like to lose your dog. 😞
Good. Night. Almighty!!!! 😨😨
When people say Mufasa's death is the worst thing they've seen then I know they had a sheltered childhood and were never exposed to this trauma inducing movie.
(And Dumbo....like who thinks locking a mother up for protecting her kid and then making her sing to the baby through iron bars while the baby cries the biggest tears in the world is something kids want to see?!?....yay..."its a family movie!" 😑)
It's a terrible day for rain..... 😢😢😢😢😢😢
Yeah I can definitely see why Disney changed it. This would definitely not be suitable for kids at all. Wow!
I was today years old when I learned that The Fox and the Hound had an original story 😭😭 Also, what was writers' obsession with tragic endings back then?! 💔 😭
No I can’t I started crying at the end😢😢😭😭😭😭
I cried at both 😭
Damn! It's an Old Yeller scenario 😢
ugh, that hurt to just hear
I'm not crying you're crying😢
Excuse me sir. I cry at the end of the final Fox and the Hound. Every. Single. Time. Since I was 6.
The Disney version of The Fox & The Hound was far better than the book, just like The Hunchback of Notre Dame.
Im kinda sad. i both love foxes and dogs:(
Poor Todd 😢
Omg that’s so dark.. especially for a kids movie
The original is so darn dark😢😢😢
This gives me Of Mice and Men vibes and I still haven’t forgiven John Steinbeck for anything that happened in that book
I'm trying to remember how Born to Run ended. I recall crying at some parts, but not why.
Well, one part I remember had to do with a river. You figure out the rest.
JEEEEZZZZ why didnt the writer just implode the earth smh
Jon… WHY??? Just… WHY MAN 😢
Why did books back then have to be so goddamn depressing
Of course that's not surprising at all. Because literally any serious story about dogs has to end with the dogs death. Old yeller, where the red furns grow, this. Its either generic sad ending or absurd cujo/airbud. It's an extremely simple, manipulative, creatively banked rupped way to seem as if your story has mature emotional depth.
Two men one mice type of ending
Guess in the end, the hunter got the worst punishment...
“Disney remakes are ruining the original stories!” - someone online
Hunny they were ruined from the start.
Are we i9gnoring that even the disney version don't have a real happy end?
Yes Copper protects Todd, but thats it.
Well that made me sad
Goodness, I really shouldn't have found out... 😢
I heard so many stories about the original novel that I wonder… who was the bad guy in this story?
Movies where way better back in the day. They actually had some truth to them.. and you know what? Reality stinks and truth is tough!
Omg i cried so hard in the cartoon
Omg that’s so sad 😢
It's so pathetic!... Amos is a pathetic, coward murderer! He doesn't deserve any sympathy!
The Disney movie done us dirty the old lady taking Todd to the game reserve brakes my heart just thinking about it
For anyone in the comments I watched his full video and let me tell you the original fox and the hound is extremely dark way more darker then biabe the book or movie.
This is giving me Of Mice And Men vibes
The original story is so dark😢😢
Old teller all over again
Holy shit that’s metal
I watch the movie but i cry at it🤧😭
Damn nobody wins 😿
Why do you have to hurt me in this way ?
The fox nd the hound was always a sad tale from the start to the end