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Jon Solo I’ve never read the book but WOW! I can’t believe that Disney made a movie out ofsuch a dark story. This was extremely messed up. Thanks for the great video.
Hey Jon Solo-chan, so there is this one Disney movie that confuses me on the origin. Can you guess it? 101 Dalmatians, that is if you haven't done it all really. Anyways this episode was awesome and have a lovely day, bye bye! 🔮w🔮
+Jon Solo great video as always! WOW! That book is HORRIBLE and DEPRESSING. I'll gladly stick with the Disney version over that anytime lol...just wow...how horrific.
I recently just read the book and thought I would note some interesting details. The Master had a bunch of other hunting dogs, but they went away as time went on until it was only Copper. I don't think it was the Master that killed Tod's second family, just other hunters, otherwise Tod would have noted that fact. Here's the last paragraph of the book: "The Master made him lie down, and then held one hand over his eyes. Copper lay trustingly and contentedly. The Master knew best. Did he recall the many good times they had had together and this last great run - a day and a night and part of another day? Of course he did. Copper gave the Master's hand one last lick. He did not care what happened as long as he would never be separated from the Master, for he had killed the great fox, and in this miserable, fouled land there was no longer any place for fox, hound, or human being."
fun fact about foxes, its actually quite rare for Male foxes to have more than one mate, they often will basically turn celibate if their mate dies, Vixens don't seem to do this though.
It's unlikely vixens have an instinct to do so. If their litter dies or is raised enough to go on their own then they are only really left to start another family for the sake of the population,even if their previous mate is dead or gone. I'm not sure what context the celibate fox is in, but chances are if their mate is dead but kits still alive then their energy is spent taking care of them rather than finding another fox to start a new family in. I always find this sort of nature interesting but i havent looked anything up so this is purely my guessings.
I just found the fox fact on these list of funfact things, it also had things like exactly how many bathrooms are in the whitehouse, that some oysters can climb trees and that sharks are actually colour blind.
The bear scene is actually my favorite. Sure as a kid I was probably spooked a little bit I found other, less terrifying things more frightening for some reason.
I saw the movie when I was very young, and it was one of my favorites. Then, at age 11, I discovered the book, and was shocked at how grim it was and how extremely Disney had to alter the storyline to make it a kids' movie. It seems that Dan Mannix, the author of the book, wrote it to emphasize the tragic effect that growing urbanization was having on people, domestic animals and wild animals alike. Fun Fact: This movie was directly responsible for the creation of Don Bluth studios. Bluth was working for Disney as an animator, and thought they should keep the movie's storyline closer to the book. When the executives at Disney refused, Bluth and a lot of the younger animators stormed out and founded their own company.
Not gonna lie, I took those films for granted as a kid. Then not even a week ago, when I was unloading DVDs to sell at my store...I found out one of them was The Pebble and the Penguin. Nostalgia compelled me to buy it and watch it that very night. Still cute, albeit kinda campy; but I still want to collect other Don Bluth films, now....
It was not immediately after nursing him back to health. Some time had passed between the dog nursed back to health and his demise, probably a couple of years. By Then, Copper was OLD.
The dog was getting old and would suffer more with living than if he was killed. He would’ve had trouble walking and he’d be too tired for anything. A lot of people back then did that before in the past and it’s mentioned in a book called Of Mice and Men.
@@internetfairi And I doubt he was FULLY restored to health, Slade just probably did enough to get Copper in good enough shape to continue hunting. Copper was likely VERY old and feeble by the time Amos had to shoot him. And Amos himself probably wasn't goin to live much longer either. One of the BLEAKEST young adult books ever written.
@@internetfairi That doesn't justify anything, copper could've just passed away from age. The point of Amos killing copper was because Amos agreed to living in a nursing home and pets were not allowed.
Old Disney calmed people down while improving old tales. New Disney owns most entertainment channels, promotes lavish spending, and has anyone seen a original Disney movie this decade?
They actually didn't want to make the Fox and the Hound into a movie, they wanted to adapt another novel called 'Ballad of the Bellstone Fox' which fits the story much more
As a person who loves foxes and dogs... Im legit crying... WHY COULDNT HE JUST GIVE THE DOG AWAY- Edit: I recently found a good alternative. Apparently there are foster centers that give old dogs to people so they can die in a loving home. Thought it was nice to share.
The dog was probably too old for anyone to want him. In those days, older animals were basically considered worthless. There are three very likely scenarios that would've happened had he not sit the dog: 1) The dog would've been without anyone to care for him, and he would've suffered until he died of starvation or old age. 2) Let's say someone did take him in, he probably would've starved to death because, as you may know, dogs get attached to their masters. If they lose their master, they get depressed, and they refuse to eat. 3) Again, even if someone took him in and cared for him, he probably would've died of old age soon after. As you may recall, he almost died when the fox did, but the master was able to nurse him back to health. A new master probably wouldn't take the time to try to save his life if he was suffering. The new master would've shot him to relieve him of his suffering. All in all, he probably figured that was the dog's best option. As an animal lover, I am sad about it, but I do understand that things like that have to be done sometimes.
The book is pretty dark, but I think I still like the Disney version better, because of the changes. It makes much more sense to have Tod and Copper know each other at a younger age, and to have them be friends, showing that nobody inherently hates another kind of person. That all changes, only after society has forced them into different roles where they hate each other, because that’s what they’ve been raised to do. In the end, they learn that they can overcome these societal roles and do what is right because it is the right things to do. The only change that I dislike is having Chief survive getting hit by a train. They should have changed it to a car if they were going to make him survive, so it’s at least more believable than a train
The whole making of the film was sabotaged which made them go over budget which ultimately ruined some of the experience the movie could've bring. Despite the sabotage it is still a fantastic movie though I think it would be more recognised if it weren't for the sabotage
Rose Vee Exactly. Very slim and not especially likely, though possible, but he’d have more than just a broken leg wrong with him. Having him be hit by a car instead would have been a decent compromise with the original.
Well considering the time period, maybe cars weren't fast enough to cause that sort of injury? If you consider the cars Slade and Widow Tweed drive.. they don't look deadly enough to kill a dog lol but yeah, I do agree he should have probably been a lot more banged up than the movie made him out to be.
@@rosevee34 it's not the point that he could've survived, it's the point that the movie could've besn better if he actually died. Amos Slade and Copper if you look closely all act like Chief actually died and Chief has very little screen time after he gets hit. That's because they were drawn because Chief was supposed to die, and the changes came later so they would've had to redraw almost half of the movie, and they went over budget already.
Disney has always known to turn dark stories into light happy versions. Every popular fairy tale we know of first started out by being on the dark side. Such as in Snow White, The Evil Queen didn't die from falling in the original, she died from dancing wearing hot irons on her feet. The Step Mother and Sisters in Cinderella were both blinded by birds and the sisters had their heels and toes cut off to try and fit the shoe. When Disney wanted to make animated films and chose Snow White, they had to change it to follow the rule that was laid down when 2D animated was gain popularity, their cartoons cannot appear frightening to children. So, I guess, that's where Dinsey change the story to make it suitable for children and after the popularity for children audiences, they had to do it for any other stories that they've made into animation. But with The Fox and the Hound, firstly i didn't know that there was a book version of it and second, i cannot believe how dark the book is. After growing up with the warm-hearted version it's defenity taken a turn for me.
For some reason, i find the original fox and the hound one of the most messed origins, somehow more messed up than hvaing the evil queen in snow-white dance to death in hot iron shoes
Walt Disney specifically told his employees to not read the original Jungle Book because he wanted the movie to have a much different tone than the book. I wouldn't be surprised if he did the same thing with other adaptations
yeah is so true, (I think) almost or all of the iconic films that were part of our childhood have really dark origins, from Notre Dame to the Little Mermaid and more.
But instead they will likely give it happy upbeat ending in which Copper and Tod become "go to" friends to help each other out whenever one is in need. Back to the animated version THIS, not THE BLACK CAULDRON should have been the first PG animated feature from HOUSE OF MOUSE
@@Gamingdude-y2l Clearly, you're the real "cuckoo nut" in here. Just because they're known for making stuff for kids doesn't mean they have to stay family-friendly. In fact, audiences are to blame for not letting Disney make an R-rated film with their original label *without* a box office bomb. Edit: By label, they had to use labels like Touchstone Pictures and Hollywood Pictures. Nowadays, they can get more trust if they put films with that label in Disney+ and I'm very sure that would help them.
Tara Nolte there’s no need to be unnecessarily gruesome though. This is unrealistically badly written simply to get urbanization across to its viewers. The Disney version is meant to portray a story of friendship that died but won in the end. Both have their purposes, but liking the Disney one more doesn’t signify wearing “rose-tinted glasses”, it simply shows one’s taste in storytelling. I personally believe that the original served its purpose for making an unrealistic and sad story to try to pass on the “evils of urbanization”, but I still enjoy Disney’s more due to its overall happier atmosphere. If you want to be depressed, then read the original, but if you’re looking for entertainment, go for the movie. Again though, both serve different purposes
@@katelynthewhitewerewolf6376 well me to like I the originals one better. And every single one of the fairly tales books that's disney turn into movies the dark versions were better
There was also another adaptation where Todd & Copper were friends (like the Disney movie) but later became enemies when Todd lead Chief to his death. The book ends with Todd & Copper clasping to their deaths near the river after fighting the bear & finally forgive each other. Widow Tweed and Amos saw their two dead pets together, cremated them, and kept their pelts to remember them.
Me: I’m sure the book can’t be toooo far from the movie :) Book: Copper dies at the beginning lol. Oh then literally everyone else dies and Chief gets shot by his owner Me: *;-; oh...*
I don't think children getting attacked by rabid foxes is that dark, more cautionary since most animals are nice to look at but not all wild animals should be approached. Killing the baby foxes was beyond excessive. Killing his dog was sort of sad, if he was as old as chief was in the movie at the beginning of the story then he should have been close to death already. However the question I have is how do you train a hunting dog to ignore all foxes scents except for 1?
@@lilchristuten7568 my hypothesis would be you take something that has the target's scent on it and others with various other scents, and reward them for going after the target's scent and/or punish them for getting anything else
@@katelynthewhitewerewolf6376 Depends on the situation. Are they afflicted with a debilitating disease? Do they have rabies? Are they a particular danger to humans (especially children)? Well killing them is probably the best thing for everyone.
Fun fact: Some dogs are actually really good anti bear defense because dogs are bred to be resistant to pain and be good fighters and most bears will actually run away from dogs unless it’s a mother bear in which case the bear will usually lose but the dogs might now survive either.
Fun fact: My dog is afraid of farts and if you tread on her paw accidentally she'll limp all day, even though she's not in actual pain anymore. I don't quite think she'd make very good anti bear defence.
See, even as a kid I was like "Chief should not have survived that fall" Not only is it a HUGE drop but you SEE him smack his head on the way down, hard enough that it should have snapped his neck. I'm assuming they included the head smack as a way to justify his survival though, as an unconscious body is more limber and therefore more likely to survive a large drop. Still, he shouldn't have lived, it doesn't make sense and he doesn't do anything more in the story (because in reality his character died) so why not allow the death? I guess it was too soon. The book sounds good, as a writer I think I would have killed the dog when the fox finally died. Then the hunter has no reason not to go to the nursing home, and you remove the traumatizing scene of him shooting the dog. The dog doesn't need to be alive anymore once the fox is killed it doesn't really serve any more point in the story.
In production they actually wanted Chief to die originally which is why most of the scenes did not feature him after the train scene. But last minute they decided that they did NOT want an on-screen death and wanted to make it more kid friendly. I personally would have thought that Chief dying would have made Copper's anger a little more understandable and add a bunch of weight to the story
*Me, seeing this after watching the vids on Aladdin, Pinocchio and Peter Pan:* How dark can this one be? *The Fox and the Hound: Hold my shotgun* Edit: HOLY COW. This is the most likes I've gotten on literally anything! Thanks guys!
Jon Solo I didn't really watch this movie when I was a kid (in fact, I mostly remember the ending where Cooper saves Todd), but I've always thought it was one of Disney's most lighthearted movies. Lesson learned: never judge a movie by its cover XD
After looking into the research Daniel P. Mannix went through to write the story, as well as another story called _The Springfield Fox_ having a similar event (despite being written 70 years earlier); I would argue that there's enough evidence to suggest that this sort of thing really did happen.
Dogs are domesticated to be dependent so they don't think outside the box on their own like natural animals. Toddler brains.They usually have to be taught by others.
Rather than being Dark as in "Messed up or scary", the origin is more sad and devastating. The ending broke my heart because ... i think the reason the hunter kills chief is because he doesn't want to leave Chief even of he has to, so he decided to "let Chief go". And every ending where the characters "Let go of" each other is like ... the saddest but also "for the best" option of ending.
The reason the Master kills Copper is more clear if you've actually read the book: the Master's family wants him to sell his land and go to a retirement home where no dogs are allowed. At the end of the novel, he gives in, and goes on that one last walk with Copper because the Master knows he'll have no place with him. (Also, this was the 1960's, the Master has a very rural attiude, and Copper was quite old at this point.)
♡venuz_babi♡ Pocahontas didn’t really go through a horror story. Yeah, her people went to war with the white men, but after that, she was essentially a celebrity in England. After traveling to England with some of the white men, she toured England as an example of the “civilized savages”, learned English, attended various balls, married an English man, changed her name to Rebeca there, and lived out her own life there. The only sad part is that she never returned home or saw her family again, because she unfortunately died of unknown causes at the age of about 21.
Aaron Landry That is as true as the pilgrims came to America, learned to farm from the natives and lived happily ever after and that's why we have thanksgiving
For real. I cried when watching the final parts as a kid imagine my complete shock hearing this. I'm not the greatest animal lover myself nor do I get that touched by children stories but this is deeply sad.
Emily Jackson same holy shit I absolutely LOVE dogs I have 3 actually but 1 is my grandma's and another is supposedly my brothers but he doesn't even take care of the lil pup. So I claim his as mine ANYWAY this made me so sad!!!!
The ending remind me of this family and their dog we knew, the dog was really gentle but eventually he was getting old and just didn't act like himself anymore. Barking at those he trusted before, trying to bite or attack anyone he sees, he just went completely rabid with no reasoning to it. One of the family members had the idea to put the dog to sleep since it was the most reasonable choice they had since they've tried for so long to bring the dog back to he's sanity, unfortunately the family decided to shoot the dog dead. I really miss the dog he used to be a big sweetheart. .
Early!!! I have been wondering about the origins of this movie for a few years so thank you very much for doing the messed up origins of this movie!!!! Keep up the great work Jon!!! Can't wait to see the next episode of this series!!!
I saw that you uploaded this Video and i thought: „Man, i want to watch this Movie again“ and so i did. Then i came back and watched your Video. I really love your videos about the messed up origins. Keep doing awsome Videos like this one!
Yes, but that dog was very sick and in pain and already on the road to death anyway... It was sad, but he did him a favor. Amos didn't have to kill Chief. He coulda found him another home instead of killing him in cold blood. But I see your reasoning. It's so sad...
The one movie guaranteed to make me weep for hours. As someone who grew up in the country, the book is brutally real but still heartbreaking, as real life often is.
Fox and The Hound is one of the earliest movies I remember watching with my aunt and my grandma who passed away so this movie has a special place in my heart and for being a good movie on its own merit.
*Eye twitches* Widow Tweed shot Tod's family in the book? Wow, my childhood just got kicked in the balls HARD! If you'll excuse me, I'm gonna listen to something that fits this occasion *Puts on When She Loved Me*
The movie was the first film I ever watched that made me cry. And I was eight at that time. Listening to the book version now that I'm 26 is making me bawl like no tomorrow Thanks.
1:17 I don't think Amos Slade was actually the one who shot Tod's mother. I believe he debuts driving a car, which wouldn't be possible in the prairie area where Tod's mother was shot. Oh, and by the way, the movie was traumatizing enough with Tod's snarling during the fight scene. If I saw it more often in my earlier years I would have had nightmares.
Old man: *Hunts fox till it dies of exaustion* Town: omg your our hero! Now move into a nersing home! Old man: okay! *shoots other dog defeating the whole purpose of hunting down the fox in the first place, becoming a massive hypocrite*
I just now read your comment. Actually, Tamaya Crum, the old man shot his dog, because the town was forcibly placing him into a nursing home, everyone knowing that dogs don’t live in nursing homes.
I remember a couple of years ago when I was entering my teens that I wanted to watch this movie because I didn't watch it when I was young because there was no translation of it in my country "Croatia" so when I learned english I watched the movie a couple of times. Was so interested in the book that I found it on a site. I've read it and honestly, I think I was too young to figure how brutal the book is. After this recap I thought "What the hell is this book". It's pretty depresing but has a really good and strong message.
I wonder what the author even thought about the film or how he was persuaded to even sell it to Disney. Disney is predictable. You give a mature to them and they’ll make it a cutesy kids film because they target kids merchandising.
@@acspectator8636 It's not so much about merch rather than "kid friendly". They already took a very very dark book and made it into a cute animation. Only problem is that this was a too big and a change that should've never happened because it kinda ruins the movie.
I agree, because it doesn’t make sense. A fox isn’t all that cunning to use a train’s timing to kill someone in the first place. And the series of events do not have the least bit of suspense, just unnecessary long disappointments.
Rewatching this after a long time, I think the points Mannix was making with the dark, utterly depressing, yet beautifully written and absolutely spellbinding book were: - The tragedy of the loss of youth, for the characters and for their world. - Urban expansion destroys life for everyone, people, domestic animals and wild animals (Mannix grew up in rural eastern Pennsylvania, and was horrified by the effects of urbanization on his beloved home environment.) - Revenge ultimately gets you nothing, even when you seemingly "succeed" at it. (Hence probably the most depressing ending in literary history.)
This is honestly my favorite Disney movie of all time I could never get tired of watching it as a kid Also a little thing about the coyotes: You can poison them, though I don’t know how successful that would be. Most people set traps or just hunt them. It may sound a bit gross but where I live hunters will hang the bodies on trees or fences to keep the other coyotes from coming into their property (but only the ones with chickens and dogs that are usually outside). Even my grandfather hung one on the back fence after one of his dogs got killed and I haven’t seen a coyote on his property since so I guess it works. I know it’s weird sorry 😂
Creepy asf but also great info. I'd like to add that this technique also works with humans 100% of the time! Hang them at your front yard and no human will ever come by again! (Except maybe the police, I guess).
It actually works with a lot of animals... even with rats it can work ! Which makes sense: you show the animal that they're not welcomed and here they will be killed. Even if they can't think like us, their instincts will tell them to go away. Although better look it up before trying it, because for some other animals/insects it has the exact opposite effect :P
Years ago I used the book as an example of ecoliteracy. I believe Disney was trying to bring a certain amount of awareness to how humans effect their surroundings. But Disney destroyed the true message of the book. Not only did Disney destroy the real message, they made the book impossible to be republished. You are right the book is a sad story (I cried at the end of most of the chapters). But the story brings to light the natural cycle of an environment and how humans effect that. The beauty about ecoliteracy is it teaches people to ask questions and take lead in making changes. I wish this book was in print again.
I had an evil English teacher in high school who loved to ruin our childhoods by making us read the books that our favorite Disney movies were based on, that being said I really enjoyed them and I enjoy your messed origins videos! I remember reading The Fox and the Hound and this one really brought back the feelings! Love ya Jon!!
I was raised on the book and the movie. My grandpa actually tried to teach about letting things go when things turn for the worse. He also told me about how it was when he was a kid and the book wasn’t far off. I love the movie and the book. Good job
What story will Disney tell next? Let's take a young slave from his slave mom and force him to join a light saber cult of monks who have suppress their feeling and have no attachments, then let's no save his mom which makes him the bad guy. Then his mentor will cut him up and leave him to burn, he gets turned into half man half machine, he will be the ultimate bad guy. Call him dark saber or starkiller. Plus he hates sand.
Damn, that sounds like a perfect idea for a movie trilogy that's considered a bit worse than the original trilogy but miles better than the sequel trilogy to a story set long ago in a galaxy far far way. (When you turn it into a movie make sure to add that last sentence at the start of every movie, don't forget to credit me).
No matter how many times I watch this video it gets more exiting I’ve watch it like ten times and I love how dark it is and Jon has a calming voice he’s like bob ross only instead of painting he reads stories in an easy to understand way
Disney needs to make an adaptation of the novel "Tarka the Otter" It's another old book about hunting, except it's a true story. The story centres soly on the Otter and is actually incredibly interesting with a good storyline. Somebody needs to do something with it. There was an old live-action movie adaptation, but it was absolutely pathetic and adapted NONE of the story 😑
I love how you summarize origins into a creepypasta-like horror movie that makes me crave for more and makes me wanna like your videos more than 100 times. You deserve it, man
+Carissa I read the book pretty recently. I can tell you that there’s nothing messed up with the story. But they’re a few changes such as Perdita being called Missis and Perdita having an ex named I believe Prince that comes in the very end. Oh there’s also 98 Dalmatian puppies in the book.
I have a theory of a possible inspiration: The canis major and minor constellations. The canis major constellation represents Laelaps, the hound that never failed to catch what it was hunting. The canis major represents the Teumessian fox, a fox that could never be caught. Zeus pitted them against each other to see who would win. This was a paradox: a dog that always caught its prey versus a fox that could never be caught. The chase went on until Zeus, perplexed by their contradictory fates, turned both to stone and cast them into the stars as the constellations.
Incredible job on explaining the differences between the two! The fox and the hound is one of my favorite disney movies and I've learned that there was a difference but never looked into it. thanks to you, I now know what really happened in the source material. awesome job
inspiration means it's loosely based off of another idea of someone else's creation (rough definition). like if someone drew something then someone else wanted to draw like that as well. fox and the hound movie had a fox and dog best friend, another dog is hurt, fox goes back into wild and meets lady friend, while master gets revenge. fox and the hound book had fox and dog best friend, fox kills best friend (which inspired the chief killing in the movie) and master gets revenge. similar details that are someone else's but people create those details in a whole new light. they shouldn't be a lot alike because movie was inspired by book
I think what Disney was doing was doing is taking dark stories and finding win-win solutions to conflict. If you notice, most of the messed up origins had the same moral; this is how life is, so accept it. Most classic Disney movies have the moral; this is how life is, so improve it.
That's Disney, tricking you into thinking that these are absolutely for kids when in reality the books tell a different story that they are for a much older audience.
Given that a very similar story called _The Springfield Fox_ (written 70 years earlier) has the author refer the female fox as "Vix", I'd argue that its a very appropriate name.
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Jon Solo that messed up book
Jon Solo I’ve never read the book but WOW! I can’t believe that Disney made a movie out ofsuch a dark story. This was extremely messed up. Thanks for the great video.
Hey Jon Solo-chan, so there is this one Disney movie that confuses me on the origin. Can you guess it? 101 Dalmatians, that is if you haven't done it all really. Anyways this episode was awesome and have a lovely day, bye bye! 🔮w🔮
+Jon Solo great video as always! WOW! That book is HORRIBLE and DEPRESSING. I'll gladly stick with the Disney version over that anytime lol...just wow...how horrific.
Can you do the jungle book
Everyone dies.
The end.
So a Shakespeare story
Cole Phelps 1947 exactly
Hmmmm....yeah that's about right
Hakuna Matata. What wonderful phrase. Hakuna Matata. ain’t no passing craze
Who dies?
Jon: everyone
I got one of those sad pet shelter commercials at the end. *thats not funny youtube*
I got a hot chip ad that said "can you take the heat?"
Annie Hendrix Mans not hot
I didn’t get an ad
actually, that's hilarious
I got a Trivago ad.
I recently just read the book and thought I would note some interesting details.
The Master had a bunch of other hunting dogs, but they went away as time went on until it was only Copper.
I don't think it was the Master that killed Tod's second family, just other hunters, otherwise Tod would have noted that fact.
Here's the last paragraph of the book:
"The Master made him lie down, and then held one hand over his eyes. Copper lay trustingly and contentedly. The Master knew best. Did he recall the many good times they had had together and this last great run - a day and a night and part of another day? Of course he did. Copper gave the Master's hand one last lick. He did not care what happened as long as he would never be separated from the Master, for he had killed the great fox, and in this miserable, fouled land there was no longer any place for fox, hound, or human being."
That’s so heartbreaking 😢
Very poetic ❤️
No words, just heartbreaking
Depressingly beautiful
lmao man got naenaed
Shooting a dog with a shotgun while your other hand is on the dog is a pretty good way to lose a hand...
Ulu PoPo probably shot himself and bled to death just to keep the story dark
Ulu PoPo my mind ‘A SHOTGUN?! Dude, just use a handgun or something smaller!! It’s more humane :
Pistols were around since. Ever.
and a friend
Danielle Stover well really either way it’s not humane but yea
fun fact about foxes, its actually quite rare for Male foxes to have more than one mate, they often will basically turn celibate if their mate dies, Vixens don't seem to do this though.
It's unlikely vixens have an instinct to do so. If their litter dies or is raised enough to go on their own then they are only really left to start another family for the sake of the population,even if their previous mate is dead or gone. I'm not sure what context the celibate fox is in, but chances are if their mate is dead but kits still alive then their energy is spent taking care of them rather than finding another fox to start a new family in.
I always find this sort of nature interesting but i havent looked anything up so this is purely my guessings.
This sounds like the comment of an incel furry
I just found the fox fact on these list of funfact things, it also had things like exactly how many bathrooms are in the whitehouse, that some oysters can climb trees and that sharks are actually colour blind.
@@BlueFireDrakka I guess when you live in a place that is filled with blue, coloured sight isnt gonna do you much good
Also foxes live on groups called skulks, earths, or leashes.
*picture of a man with his foot caught in an animal trap with a demonic bear looming over him*
"Nothing too dark for a little kid to handle."
YES
I found it cool yet unexpected
The bear scene is actually my favorite. Sure as a kid I was probably spooked a little bit I found other, less terrifying things more frightening for some reason.
I saw the movie when I was very young, and it was one of my favorites. Then, at age 11, I discovered the book, and was shocked at how grim it was and how extremely Disney had to alter the storyline to make it a kids' movie. It seems that Dan Mannix, the author of the book, wrote it to emphasize the tragic effect that growing urbanization was having on people, domestic animals and wild animals alike. Fun Fact: This movie was directly responsible for the creation of Don Bluth studios. Bluth was working for Disney as an animator, and thought they should keep the movie's storyline closer to the book. When the executives at Disney refused, Bluth and a lot of the younger animators stormed out and founded their own company.
wow, nice fun fact. i can totally see that with Bluth studios other projects and how they were darker
I love fox and the hound
Yep, and their first animated film was the grim and dark "Secret of NIMH". I love both NIHM and the Fox and the Hound!
Your wrote the Bible
Not gonna lie, I took those films for granted as a kid.
Then not even a week ago, when I was unloading DVDs to sell at my store...I found out one of them was The Pebble and the Penguin. Nostalgia compelled me to buy it and watch it that very night. Still cute, albeit kinda campy; but I still want to collect other Don Bluth films, now....
He SHOT. his DOG?! After nursing him back to health? OMG!😲
It was not immediately after nursing him back to health. Some time had passed between the dog nursed back to health and his demise, probably a couple of years. By Then, Copper was OLD.
The dog was getting old and would suffer more with living than if he was killed. He would’ve had trouble walking and he’d be too tired for anything. A lot of people back then did that before in the past and it’s mentioned in a book called Of Mice and Men.
@@internetfairi And I doubt he was FULLY restored to health, Slade just probably did enough to get Copper in good enough shape to continue hunting. Copper was likely VERY old and feeble by the time Amos had to shoot him. And Amos himself probably wasn't goin to live much longer either. One of the BLEAKEST young adult books ever written.
@@internetfairi That doesn't justify anything, copper could've just passed away from age.
The point of Amos killing copper was because Amos agreed to living in a nursing home and pets were not allowed.
Damn i was just looking at the description and noticed this :v/
I literally cried when I heard " the Hunter grabs his gun and walks the dog out back crying"... that's so sad😭
That's one hell of a rewrite that Disney made!
Old Disney calmed people down while improving old tales. New Disney owns most entertainment channels, promotes lavish spending, and has anyone seen a original Disney movie this decade?
hackman669 zootopia, frozen, and Moana come to mind
hackman669 Tangled, Inside Out...
@@hackman669 I really wish they would do another 100 D com marathon, the last time (and I'm pretty sure first time) that happened I was 12
@@hackman669 no I haven't seen an original disney movie....
“and thennnn *gunshot*”
“...”
“*honda jingle as a honda ad plays*”
MaxieBoyo I got a hot chip ad that said " can you take the heat?"
PROLIFE FOREVER!!
omg
Mine was a last survival ad...
I got a Sprint ad and it had dogs in it ;-;
MaxieBoyo I got a L’Oréal ad, lol.
I'm still impressed how they adapted that one. That one is odd. I want to know why they specifically chose this book
I'm guessing that they wanted to make a story about an unlikely friendship and just chose this story.
I forgot who but one of the people working on the movie had a pet fox as a kid and he read the book
My money is the same exact crew was working on The Hunchback of Notre Dame.
They actually didn't want to make the Fox and the Hound into a movie, they wanted to adapt another novel called 'Ballad of the Bellstone Fox' which fits the story much more
@@maverick8094A pet fox would be the best
As a person who loves foxes and dogs...
Im legit crying...
WHY COULDNT HE JUST GIVE THE DOG AWAY-
Edit: I recently found a good alternative. Apparently there are foster centers that give old dogs to people so they can die in a loving home. Thought it was nice to share.
Foreal though
The dog was probably too old for anyone to want him. In those days, older animals were basically considered worthless. There are three very likely scenarios that would've happened had he not sit the dog:
1) The dog would've been without anyone to care for him, and he would've suffered until he died of starvation or old age.
2) Let's say someone did take him in, he probably would've starved to death because, as you may know, dogs get attached to their masters. If they lose their master, they get depressed, and they refuse to eat.
3) Again, even if someone took him in and cared for him, he probably would've died of old age soon after. As you may recall, he almost died when the fox did, but the master was able to nurse him back to health. A new master probably wouldn't take the time to try to save his life if he was suffering. The new master would've shot him to relieve him of his suffering.
All in all, he probably figured that was the dog's best option. As an animal lover, I am sad about it, but I do understand that things like that have to be done sometimes.
Hunting was all the dog knew and to take him from it would be horrible for it
I've hunted with dogs myself
@@libertycabbage8961 I too have hunted dogs myself
I grew up watching Disney classics. I love it when you make me look at them in a whole new perspective. Thanks for making this.
I love that I get to do it :) thanks for watching!
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@@kyrktd2178 if only that was the # of subscribers I had. Lol
@@JonSolo so basically in the original todd dies of exhaustion and copper died of a gunshot to the head
I'm speechless. I cannot believe that man spent so much time building on his revenge and then taking the life of his one pal. I'm done.
The book is pretty dark, but I think I still like the Disney version better, because of the changes. It makes much more sense to have Tod and Copper know each other at a younger age, and to have them be friends, showing that nobody inherently hates another kind of person. That all changes, only after society has forced them into different roles where they hate each other, because that’s what they’ve been raised to do. In the end, they learn that they can overcome these societal roles and do what is right because it is the right things to do.
The only change that I dislike is having Chief survive getting hit by a train. They should have changed it to a car if they were going to make him survive, so it’s at least more believable than a train
The whole making of the film was sabotaged which made them go over budget which ultimately ruined some of the experience the movie could've bring. Despite the sabotage it is still a fantastic movie though I think it would be more recognised if it weren't for the sabotage
Well, it WAS an older model of train and it was moving fairly slowly. It's possible he could have survived that, but it's a very slim chance.
Rose Vee Exactly. Very slim and not especially likely, though possible, but he’d have more than just a broken leg wrong with him. Having him be hit by a car instead would have been a decent compromise with the original.
Well considering the time period, maybe cars weren't fast enough to cause that sort of injury? If you consider the cars Slade and Widow Tweed drive.. they don't look deadly enough to kill a dog lol
but yeah, I do agree he should have probably been a lot more banged up than the movie made him out to be.
@@rosevee34 it's not the point that he could've survived, it's the point that the movie could've besn better if he actually died. Amos Slade and Copper if you look closely all act like Chief actually died and Chief has very little screen time after he gets hit. That's because they were drawn because Chief was supposed to die, and the changes came later so they would've had to redraw almost half of the movie, and they went over budget already.
The disney version if the Fox and the Hound was terribly sad for me.
Now the origin story- that is one hell of a feel trip. Omg.
When they let todd go to live alone, i cried so much
I like your profile pic :0
@@rawrxd9336 Thanks yo
Fun fact:
You are happy that the scene the good old, loyal dog was shot while trustfully licking his masters hand, was not added to the movie
I am glad that this entire book was not added into the movie 🤣
I'm glad all the animal deaths aren't in the film. XD
I honestly wish the film was the book. That would’ve been a hell of a scene!
It probably would have left a deeper impacr on me, because the movie is one of the few Disney 2d films I barely remember as a kid besides the ending.
Yea,.. I much prefer the Disney version, I’m all for dark stuff don’t get me wrong but, this is too much
the Disney version is not dark and its a 10/10 for me
I kinda like the book more, its more interesting.
Same here
@@wompwompwompwompwompwompalienzBut everyone dies
Disney has always known to turn dark stories into light happy versions. Every popular fairy tale we know of first started out by being on the dark side. Such as in Snow White, The Evil Queen didn't die from falling in the original, she died from dancing wearing hot irons on her feet. The Step Mother and Sisters in Cinderella were both blinded by birds and the sisters had their heels and toes cut off to try and fit the shoe.
When Disney wanted to make animated films and chose Snow White, they had to change it to follow the rule that was laid down when 2D animated was gain popularity, their cartoons cannot appear frightening to children. So, I guess, that's where Dinsey change the story to make it suitable for children and after the popularity for children audiences, they had to do it for any other stories that they've made into animation.
But with The Fox and the Hound, firstly i didn't know that there was a book version of it and second, i cannot believe how dark the book is. After growing up with the warm-hearted version it's defenity taken a turn for me.
I read the book first and still cried at the movie.
For some reason, i find the original fox and the hound one of the most messed origins, somehow more messed up than hvaing the evil queen in snow-white dance to death in hot iron shoes
Yeah, Disney is more R rated than people give them credit for
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Is seems like a lot of books Disney bases their films on have much darker twists to them. Pinnochio, Peter Pan, Hunchback of Notre Dame, etc.
Gregory Delaney That is so so true
Cinderella, Snow White....
Walt Disney specifically told his employees to not read the original Jungle Book because he wanted the movie to have a much different tone than the book. I wouldn't be surprised if he did the same thing with other adaptations
@@punkwrestle The Little Mermaid...
yeah is so true, (I think) almost or all of the iconic films that were part of our childhood have really dark origins, from Notre Dame to the Little Mermaid and more.
If we get a remake, we need Kurt Russell as the hunter and it should be as dark as the original story. Go ahead, Disney! Go R-rated!
Carlo Nassar why Disney’s for kids cuckoo nut
But instead they will likely give it happy upbeat ending in which Copper and Tod become "go to" friends to help each other out whenever one is in need. Back to the animated version THIS, not THE BLACK CAULDRON should have been the first PG animated feature from HOUSE OF MOUSE
Yes
@@Gamingdude-y2l Clearly, you're the real "cuckoo nut" in here. Just because they're known for making stuff for kids doesn't mean they have to stay family-friendly. In fact, audiences are to blame for not letting Disney make an R-rated film with their original label *without* a box office bomb.
Edit: By label, they had to use labels like Touchstone Pictures and Hollywood Pictures. Nowadays, they can get more trust if they put films with that label in Disney+ and I'm very sure that would help them.
@@chrismulwee4911 Well, I hope they don't do that. In fact, I'm sticking to the ending if I direct such a movie.
Wow... my childhood was never meant to survive apparently
Mine died when i was 5
Now i watch these bc idk anymore
I like the Disney version better... that was just... DARK
i like the book version better
I like the book version better. Don't wear rose tinted glasses
Tara Nolte there’s no need to be unnecessarily gruesome though. This is unrealistically badly written simply to get urbanization across to its viewers. The Disney version is meant to portray a story of friendship that died but won in the end. Both have their purposes, but liking the Disney one more doesn’t signify wearing “rose-tinted glasses”, it simply shows one’s taste in storytelling. I personally believe that the original served its purpose for making an unrealistic and sad story to try to pass on the “evils of urbanization”, but I still enjoy Disney’s more due to its overall happier atmosphere. If you want to be depressed, then read the original, but if you’re looking for entertainment, go for the movie. Again though, both serve different purposes
I like book version better
@@katelynthewhitewerewolf6376 well me to like I the originals one better. And every single one of the fairly tales books that's disney turn into movies the dark versions were better
"Blows my mind" isn't a good choice of words after talking about the master shooting his dog.
OMG AN ADD PLAYED AFTER THE GUN SOUND EFFECT 😂😂😂
Box Bo
Dang! That's some Bambi stuff right there.
Same for me
Same 😂
Same, with a happy go lucky backround music
Box Bo
I got a make up ad XD
There was also another adaptation where Todd & Copper were friends (like the Disney movie) but later became enemies when Todd lead Chief to his death.
The book ends with Todd & Copper clasping to their deaths near the river after fighting the bear & finally forgive each other.
Widow Tweed and Amos saw their two dead pets together, cremated them, and kept their pelts to remember them.
What book is this??
What the name of this book and who’s it by??!!
Was it this one? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Belstone_Fox Based on a different but similar book.
source?
Me: I’m sure the book can’t be toooo far from the movie :)
Book: Copper dies at the beginning lol. Oh then literally everyone else dies and Chief gets shot by his owner
Me: *;-; oh...*
Wow the book was so dark.The hunter shooting the baby foxes,children getting attacked by a fox,a kid getting poisoned,etc.Wow! O_O
Julissa SailorMercury that Foxes is radia
I don't think children getting attacked by rabid foxes is that dark, more cautionary since most animals are nice to look at but not all wild animals should be approached.
Killing the baby foxes was beyond excessive.
Killing his dog was sort of sad, if he was as old as chief was in the movie at the beginning of the story then he should have been close to death already.
However the question I have is how do you train a hunting dog to ignore all foxes scents except for 1?
@@lilchristuten7568 my hypothesis would be you take something that has the target's scent on it and others with various other scents, and reward them for going after the target's scent and/or punish them for getting anything else
@@lilchristuten7568
Killing Baby Animals is sick and inhumane.
@@katelynthewhitewerewolf6376
Depends on the situation. Are they afflicted with a debilitating disease? Do they have rabies? Are they a particular danger to humans (especially children)? Well killing them is probably the best thing for everyone.
Fun fact: Some dogs are actually really good anti bear defense because dogs are bred to be resistant to pain and be good fighters and most bears will actually run away from dogs unless it’s a mother bear in which case the bear will usually lose but the dogs might now survive either.
I am also really good anti bear defense
Jon Solo Lol. Same
Fun fact: My dog is afraid of farts and if you tread on her paw accidentally she'll limp all day, even though she's not in actual pain anymore. I don't quite think she'd make very good anti bear defence.
Jeff Solis
I saw a video of a corgi and a dachshund chasing a bear off. The bear was definitely bewildered and confused xD
My dog yelps if I pet it too fast
"a litle traumatized, especially to one who likes animals" ** braces self **
That animated bear is pretty bad ass
J G That Bear fight was epic. I LOVE Disney animal fights. Especially SIMBA VS SCAR!!
He is indeed, but you should see Akakabuto in Ginga Nagareboshi Gin. Akakabuto makes all other bears look like pansies.
J G I saw a sketch of the bear at the Walt Disney Family Museum, as part of an exhibition by Glen Keane; he animated the bear himself
J G yep
J G
He’s hugeeee!
*The ending killed me so hard that I wanna hug my puppies and cry*
@Jakub Rudek GilWojtek2016-Tails *hell nah*
"he puts his hand over his eyes while he trustingly licks his and and then..." "try our diapers :)"
thanks youtube... great product placement
I have several questions...
@@joonicraftsman2136 i work with elementary school kids... so it must think i have my own kids... i do not
@@littleperson8315 Boy was the timing 3000/10
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My girlfriend cries a bunch in the original movie. And could barely make it through recap without wanting to cry.
arron griffith I didn't know your right hand could cry?
Christopher Ryan Curtis got 'em.
Fupa Lord pussy
R.I.P her
@@The.Grugster more like your perverted
See, even as a kid I was like "Chief should not have survived that fall" Not only is it a HUGE drop but you SEE him smack his head on the way down, hard enough that it should have snapped his neck. I'm assuming they included the head smack as a way to justify his survival though, as an unconscious body is more limber and therefore more likely to survive a large drop. Still, he shouldn't have lived, it doesn't make sense and he doesn't do anything more in the story (because in reality his character died) so why not allow the death? I guess it was too soon.
The book sounds good, as a writer I think I would have killed the dog when the fox finally died. Then the hunter has no reason not to go to the nursing home, and you remove the traumatizing scene of him shooting the dog. The dog doesn't need to be alive anymore once the fox is killed it doesn't really serve any more point in the story.
In production they actually wanted Chief to die originally which is why most of the scenes did not feature him after the train scene. But last minute they decided that they did NOT want an on-screen death and wanted to make it more kid friendly. I personally would have thought that Chief dying would have made Copper's anger a little more understandable and add a bunch of weight to the story
@@Real_Genji yea I think companies underestimate kids emotional intelligence sometimes. They should have just followed through.
@@forestgrump4723 Hard agree
Snort. That’s so me. I’d be watching this at 6 yrs old n be like, Yeah that dogs brains would totally have splattered all over that rock. 🙄
*Covers Chiefs Eyes as Chief licks his hand and BOOM* then an advert appears LOL
JoJoFan93 that happened to me
Exact thing happened to me XD
JoJoFan93 at that point I got an advert of bottled water that praised the fact that this water was "close to the nature", lol
Same. A Twix one.
I got the crazy rich Asians add
*Me, seeing this after watching the vids on Aladdin, Pinocchio and Peter Pan:* How dark can this one be?
*The Fox and the Hound: Hold my shotgun*
Edit: HOLY COW. This is the most likes I've gotten on literally anything! Thanks guys!
Tavon Wright RIGHT?! Hahaha I wasn’t expecting much to shock after how many messed up Origins we’ve covered but this one was on another level
Jon Solo I didn't really watch this movie when I was a kid (in fact, I mostly remember the ending where Cooper saves Todd), but I've always thought it was one of Disney's most lighthearted movies. Lesson learned: never judge a movie by its cover XD
I like books like these growing up; up there with "Where a Red Fern Grows", "The Call of the Wild", "My Antonia."
So todd got copper run over by a train? GODDAMN!
Are you saying that Tod knew about trains & Chief was too stupid to know despite being older? Give me a break.
After looking into the research Daniel P. Mannix went through to write the story, as well as another story called _The Springfield Fox_ having a similar event (despite being written 70 years earlier); I would argue that there's enough evidence to suggest that this sort of thing really did happen.
No in the book Chief was the younger dog and Copper was the older dog and was a bloodhound crossbred.
@@diggerfan9319 pretty sure they're meaning on Disney Cooper as talking on Chief.
Dogs are domesticated to be dependent so they don't think outside the box on their own like natural animals. Toddler brains.They usually have to be taught by others.
Now I'm actually glad he retells the movie since I never really got into it
that's exactly why I do it :)
Jon Solo for awhile I never had a use for it till now
Levi Ackerman haiiii leviii xD
Levi Ackerman Leviiiiiii!!!!
The gun shot at the end gave me chills
Your back! Yay... that was messed up. Dang. Good job as always.
smellybellyXx you're
smellybellyXx **you’re
Lol sorry I just saw that everybody was correcting you
I’m gonna add to this as well because bad spelling is annoying: YOU’RE
lol man
Yeah, I just started watching your videos, and I binged them all yesterday and I love this channel!!
Same here
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Rather than being Dark as in "Messed up or scary", the origin is more sad and devastating. The ending broke my heart because ... i think the reason the hunter kills chief is because he doesn't want to leave Chief even of he has to, so he decided to "let Chief go". And every ending where the characters "Let go of" each other is like ... the saddest but also "for the best" option of ending.
The reason the Master kills Copper is more clear if you've actually read the book: the Master's family wants him to sell his land and go to a retirement home where no dogs are allowed. At the end of the novel, he gives in, and goes on that one last walk with Copper because the Master knows he'll have no place with him. (Also, this was the 1960's, the Master has a very rural attiude, and Copper was quite old at this point.)
They took the real life horror story of Pocahontas and made a cute Disney classic so none of these surprise me anymore 😒
of course Disney or not that's what all movies are they take something and make it their own unless it's from the top of a persons head
That’s Disney they focus on kids merchandising and their methods in doing so involves them being cutesy and whimsical altogether.
♡venuz_babi♡ Pocahontas didn’t really go through a horror story. Yeah, her people went to war with the white men, but after that, she was essentially a celebrity in England. After traveling to England with some of the white men, she toured England as an example of the “civilized savages”, learned English, attended various balls, married an English man, changed her name to Rebeca there, and lived out her own life there. The only sad part is that she never returned home or saw her family again, because she unfortunately died of unknown causes at the age of about 21.
Aaron Landry That is as true as the pilgrims came to America, learned to farm from the natives and lived happily ever after and that's why we have thanksgiving
Aaron Landry, She died of smallpox.
This is the first messed up origins eposide I cried at the ending of. 😂😂
Emily Jackson SAME
For real. I cried when watching the final parts as a kid imagine my complete shock hearing this. I'm not the greatest animal lover myself nor do I get that touched by children stories but this is deeply sad.
dry those tears emily!! :'(
Jon Solo HI JOHN😄😄😄
Emily Jackson same holy shit I absolutely LOVE dogs I have 3 actually but 1 is my grandma's and another is supposedly my brothers but he doesn't even take care of the lil pup. So I claim his as mine ANYWAY this made me so sad!!!!
The ending remind me of this family and their dog we knew, the dog was really gentle but eventually he was getting old and just didn't act like himself anymore. Barking at those he trusted before, trying to bite or attack anyone he sees, he just went completely rabid with no reasoning to it. One of the family members had the idea to put the dog to sleep since it was the most reasonable choice they had since they've tried for so long to bring the dog back to he's sanity, unfortunately the family decided to shoot the dog dead. I really miss the dog he used to be a big sweetheart. .
Early!!! I have been wondering about the origins of this movie for a few years so thank you very much for doing the messed up origins of this movie!!!! Keep up the great work Jon!!! Can't wait to see the next episode of this series!!!
I felt that shot gun sound effect. Deep in my heart.
Well.. I cry at the movie, so the book sounds super traumatizing.
I just started to watch you and now I‘m kinda of stuck in a Solo-Marathon xD ❤️
Newday Samebathtub same!
same
Same
I saw that you uploaded this Video and i thought: „Man, i want to watch this Movie again“ and so i did. Then i came back and watched your Video. I really love your videos about the messed up origins. Keep doing awsome Videos like this one!
dude that is so awesome to hear. I'm so glad you're enjoying the content too! Thanks for watching homie :)
The way that Amos killed Chief in the book reminds me of the way that one of men in Of Mice and Men killed his own dog. It's sad.
Yes, but that dog was very sick and in pain and already on the road to death anyway... It was sad, but he did him a favor. Amos didn't have to kill Chief. He coulda found him another home instead of killing him in cold blood. But I see your reasoning. It's so sad...
That destroyed my childhood ... the book sounds worse than I imagine it ... 😓
Another great video from the best UA-camr ever. P. S. I love your messed up origins series.
😨 I didn't see that coming. Totally different than the movie.
I kind of maybe cried at the end. I got 3 dogs well 1 of them I'm more close to considering she's a family dog but omg this was so sad!!!
The Fox And The Hound is my favorite Disney movie. I was glad when this game to my subbox. Great video as always Jon!
It's my older brother's favorite as well!!
Wildboy5699 It's my favourite Disney movie too!
The one movie guaranteed to make me weep for hours. As someone who grew up in the country, the book is brutally real but still heartbreaking, as real life often is.
Fox and The Hound is one of the earliest movies I remember watching with my aunt and my grandma who passed away so this movie has a special place in my heart and for being a good movie on its own merit.
*Eye twitches* Widow Tweed shot Tod's family in the book? Wow, my childhood just got kicked in the balls HARD! If you'll excuse me, I'm gonna listen to something that fits this occasion *Puts on When She Loved Me*
The ending was unexpected. It really got me thinking about how unfair life is.
Makes me want to be alone even more after knowing chief died because of masters decision.
The movie was the first film I ever watched that made me cry. And I was eight at that time. Listening to the book version now that I'm 26 is making me bawl like no tomorrow
Thanks.
Yay!! :D I have wanted this for a LONG time!! Thank you!!
Wow, it was actually way darker than I thought. Never would I have guess.
1:17 I don't think Amos Slade was actually the one who shot Tod's mother. I believe he debuts driving a car, which wouldn't be possible in the prairie area where Tod's mother was shot.
Oh, and by the way, the movie was traumatizing enough with Tod's snarling during the fight scene. If I saw it more often in my earlier years I would have had nightmares.
THAT ENDING IS NOT ALLOWED IN THIS HOUSEHOLD
Old man: *Hunts fox till it dies of exaustion*
Town: omg your our hero! Now move into a nersing home!
Old man: okay! *shoots other dog defeating the whole purpose of hunting down the fox in the first place, becoming a massive hypocrite*
I just now read your comment. Actually, Tamaya Crum, the old man shot his dog, because the town was forcibly placing him into a nursing home, everyone knowing that dogs don’t live in nursing homes.
He was crying...
Why would someone even write that?
I remember a couple of years ago when I was entering my teens that I wanted to watch this movie because I didn't watch it when I was young because there was no translation of it in my country "Croatia" so when I learned english I watched the movie a couple of times. Was so interested in the book that I found it on a site. I've read it and honestly, I think I was too young to figure how brutal the book is. After this recap I thought "What the hell is this book". It's pretty depresing but has a really good and strong message.
I wonder what the author even thought about the film or how he was persuaded to even sell it to Disney. Disney is predictable. You give a mature to them and they’ll make it a cutesy kids film because they target kids merchandising.
@@acspectator8636 It's not so much about merch rather than "kid friendly". They already took a very very dark book and made it into a cute animation. Only problem is that this was a too big and a change that should've never happened because it kinda ruins the movie.
I agree, because it doesn’t make sense. A fox isn’t all that cunning to use a train’s timing to kill someone in the first place. And the series of events do not have the least bit of suspense, just unnecessary long disappointments.
I write dark things like that too o.o
I said "aww wtf" out loud, at work, which is a clear indication of how good this episode is.
Rewatching this after a long time, I think the points Mannix was making with the dark, utterly depressing, yet beautifully written and absolutely spellbinding book were:
- The tragedy of the loss of youth, for the characters and for their world.
- Urban expansion destroys life for everyone, people, domestic animals and wild animals (Mannix grew up in rural eastern Pennsylvania, and was horrified by the effects of urbanization on his beloved home environment.)
- Revenge ultimately gets you nothing, even when you seemingly "succeed" at it. (Hence probably the most depressing ending in literary history.)
This is honestly my favorite Disney movie of all time I could never get tired of watching it as a kid
Also a little thing about the coyotes:
You can poison them, though I don’t know how successful that would be. Most people set traps or just hunt them. It may sound a bit gross but where I live hunters will hang the bodies on trees or fences to keep the other coyotes from coming into their property (but only the ones with chickens and dogs that are usually outside). Even my grandfather hung one on the back fence after one of his dogs got killed and I haven’t seen a coyote on his property since so I guess it works. I know it’s weird sorry 😂
Creepy asf but also great info.
I'd like to add that this technique also works with humans 100% of the time! Hang them at your front yard and no human will ever come by again! (Except maybe the police, I guess).
Always seems to work in the movies
Yeah, right, in the movies, yes, thats what I meant... in the movies, yeah.
It actually works with a lot of animals... even with rats it can work !
Which makes sense: you show the animal that they're not welcomed and here they will be killed. Even if they can't think like us, their instincts will tell them to go away.
Although better look it up before trying it, because for some other animals/insects it has the exact opposite effect :P
He kills cheif
This is my all time favorite Disney movie, I had no idea it was based on a miserable book
Years ago I used the book as an example of ecoliteracy. I believe Disney was trying to bring a certain amount of awareness to how humans effect their surroundings. But Disney destroyed the true message of the book. Not only did Disney destroy the real message, they made the book impossible to be republished. You are right the book is a sad story (I cried at the end of most of the chapters). But the story brings to light the natural cycle of an environment and how humans effect that. The beauty about ecoliteracy is it teaches people to ask questions and take lead in making changes. I wish this book was in print again.
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I loved this movie, and I'm excited to see how it originally was!
I love this series, thank you for this!
you're welcome! Thanks for watching :)
This was my favorite movie to watch on VCR 😢 God I'm so old
That Old Yeller ending though.
No, far worse.
I had an evil English teacher in high school who loved to ruin our childhoods by making us read the books that our favorite Disney movies were based on, that being said I really enjoyed them and I enjoy your messed origins videos! I remember reading The Fox and the Hound and this one really brought back the feelings! Love ya Jon!!
Do the jungle book next
Batman 23 i think he already did that
Batman 23 he already did it
Send me the name of the video I cannot find it
Jean-Paul Van Schalkwyk not there
I was raised on the book and the movie. My grandpa actually tried to teach about letting things go when things turn for the worse. He also told me about how it was when he was a kid and the book wasn’t far off. I love the movie and the book. Good job
the ending of the this just had me in tears and like I didn't even get to read the damn book I'm so sensitive about animal violence😭😭😂
MnM Animations so am I. Now that I know, I won’t be reading the book anytime soon.
What story will Disney tell next? Let's take a young slave from his slave mom and force him to join a light saber cult of monks who have suppress their feeling and have no attachments, then let's no save his mom which makes him the bad guy. Then his mentor will cut him up and leave him to burn, he gets turned into half man half machine, he will be the ultimate bad guy. Call him dark saber or starkiller. Plus he hates sand.
Damn, that sounds like a perfect idea for a movie trilogy that's considered a bit worse than the original trilogy but miles better than the sequel trilogy to a story set long ago in a galaxy far far way. (When you turn it into a movie make sure to add that last sentence at the start of every movie, don't forget to credit me).
kcvic That's Darth Vader in a nutshell.
Andre Hernandez no shit, they shoulda made a joke about that.
Andre Hernandez, no duh...
No matter how many times I watch this video it gets more exiting I’ve watch it like ten times and I love how dark it is and Jon has a calming voice he’s like bob ross only instead of painting he reads stories in an easy to understand way
These origins of the fox and the hound are VERY MESSED UP
Damn! Did this story inspire Old Yeller?
Lol right?
I'm thinking "Where the Red Fern Grows," for some reason.
No, both the book and the movie were released years before the Fox & the Hound was published as a book.
That book made me fucking cry.
Thats life man better to shoot ur dog than let it suffer js
Disney needs to make an adaptation of the novel "Tarka the Otter"
It's another old book about hunting, except it's a true story.
The story centres soly on the Otter and is actually incredibly interesting with a good storyline. Somebody needs to do something with it.
There was an old live-action movie adaptation, but it was absolutely pathetic and adapted NONE of the story 😑
I love how you summarize origins into a creepypasta-like horror movie that makes me crave for more and makes me wanna like your videos more than 100 times. You deserve it, man
And I thought the hunchback of Norte dame was the darkest messed up origins
Molly Fischer same here. This one is not only dark but just plain sad and messed up. No wonder Disney changed so much of it.
Hahaha I couldn't decide what was more messed up to be honest... might have to do a ranked video one of these days...
Jon Solo that would be interesting to see.
Ok uh- imma just go now-- that ending genuenly made me cry,,,
Can you do 101 Dalmatians?
Becca Murphy Actually, from what I heard the book is more light hearted and cartoony then the movie, but I could be wrong about that
+Carissa I read the book pretty recently. I can tell you that there’s nothing messed up with the story. But they’re a few changes such as Perdita being called Missis and Perdita having an ex named I believe Prince that comes in the very end. Oh there’s also 98 Dalmatian puppies in the book.
Likes on a comment mean nothing,
Becca Murphy Wow who cares.
Becca Murphy I've gotten over 2k likes for making a stupid comment before, it means nothing and you shouldn't care.
Damn...he pulled an "Old Yeller" on Chief tho? Smh
No. Old Yeller was a mercy killing. This was freaking pointless.
@@billskinner7670 Yes, Old Yeller had rabies. They had to put him down, otherwise he'd put THEM down! That's how bad rabies is.
I have a theory of a possible inspiration: The canis major and minor constellations.
The canis major constellation represents Laelaps, the hound that never failed to catch what it was hunting. The canis major represents the Teumessian fox, a fox that could never be caught. Zeus pitted them against each other to see who would win. This was a paradox: a dog that always caught its prey versus a fox that could never be caught. The chase went on until Zeus, perplexed by their contradictory fates, turned both to stone and cast them into the stars as the constellations.
Incredible job on explaining the differences between the two! The fox and the hound is one of my favorite disney movies and I've learned that there was a difference but never looked into it. thanks to you, I now know what really happened in the source material. awesome job
John Solo: "And that was the incredibly messed up story that inspired Disney's The Fox and the Hound."
Me: How Was That An INSPITATION?!?!?!
IKR they are barely alike.
inspiration means it's loosely based off of another idea of someone else's creation (rough definition). like if someone drew something then someone else wanted to draw like that as well. fox and the hound movie had a fox and dog best friend, another dog is hurt, fox goes back into wild and meets lady friend, while master gets revenge. fox and the hound book had fox and dog best friend, fox kills best friend (which inspired the chief killing in the movie) and master gets revenge. similar details that are someone else's but people create those details in a whole new light. they shouldn't be a lot alike because movie was inspired by book
I think what Disney was doing was doing is taking dark stories and finding win-win solutions to conflict. If you notice, most of the messed up origins had the same moral; this is how life is, so accept it. Most classic Disney movies have the moral; this is how life is, so improve it.
That's Disney, tricking you into thinking that these are absolutely for kids when in reality the books tell a different story that they are for a much older audience.
A vixen named "Vixy?"
How original. Jeez...
ANYTHING but that, please, it sounds so bad.
"Vixey", but yes, they needed a better name.
What makes it even better is that male foxes are called "Todds," so actually _both_ halves of the couple had pretty phoned-in names.
Jonathan Alexander From what I heard, in the UK they actually refer to them as Tods (the spelling for his name). But Mannix did that too, so...
At least Todd/Tod is a normal sounding name and isn't so jarring. Even a child's name for their stuffed animal "foxy" is better.
My name is humie.
Given that a very similar story called _The Springfield Fox_ (written 70 years earlier) has the author refer the female fox as "Vix", I'd argue that its a very appropriate name.