We Lived in Both Spain & Portugal, Which is ACTUALLY Better?
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- Is Portugal or Spain better? Which would you choose? Josh and Kalie from ExpatsEverywhere breakdown key topics you should consider when thinking about a move to Spain or Portugal. What will taxes be like? How safe are these countries? Who has the best weather? Let's go through these top categories together.
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As a Portuguese I love my neighbours Spain. We don't care who wins this or that unless it's football, lol. We are the same people sharing 1 peninsula, we are Iberian.
😉👌
and give us Olivença back :D
bien dicho
Primeiro português. O ibérico é só um acrescento
@@vjQUAOnly if you accept taking Murcia with it 😂😂😂
Portugal and Spain are Brothers . We live well together !!!!
we are not brothers, we are neighbors.
@@j.dasilva4567 …Brothers and neighbors .
@@j.dasilva4567 Somos irmãos sim senhor! Sangue do mesmo sangue
Brother and Sister like Mexico and Texas...we tolerate each other
The biggest difference is that on the entire Mediterranean coast you have 3 more months of summer than in Portugal. better weather and warmer water.
The Mediterranean cost is phenomenal. - Josh & Kalie
Portugal and Spain are brothers, we like each other, we share the same peninsula and we don't care who is better.
Thanks for the comment. You don't believe that Spaniards believe it's better to live in Spain than Portugal? - Josh & Kalie
But Portugal is selling "citizenships" to foreigners in exchange for "$ 500 K plus investments into real estate which makes it impossible for Portugues to ever buy a house. In Port 30% of Real Estate is totally demolished - not even enough of walls to call them a hole in the wall.
People working online with capitalist incomes move there to benefit from lower expenses.
Beautiful our brothers and sisters
@@BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp you need to relax for real. You're just spamming videos at this point and you're saying things that aren't accurate. 90% of home purchases in Portugal are Portuguese. The Golden Visa by Real Estate Investment doesn't exist anymore.
Rent is not expensive in PT, rent is impossible!! Especially for us portuguese!
is not that same in spain? and what about expats in portugal in lisbon porto? do they earn enough to rent or still sharing as single? i thnk mosts are still getting about 20-25k annual gross in portugal? so with a more than half or more to rent makes it diffucult to live?
@user4name I was stunned by the rent prices in Algarve as they are the same as Australia and locals earn waaaay less. It was a stock issue. In Southern Spain it is cheaper due to supply
@@ajdrums8075 but as far as i see from numbeo , the spain wage is increasing compared to portugal recently especially for the northen spain, but it is also more expensive than south tho
@@user4name Sure so choose Spain. Its better anyway
@@ajdrums8075 but dont have any spanish or basque knowledge , howeever current tax schmese are looking complocated for both countries .not sure the net income
As a spaniard I love Portugal , everytime I go there people are polite, educated and nice , I always felt welcomed , I recommend to visit Portugal is a great country with great people , history and culture.
I've been to Spain & Portugal but my heart belongs in Portugal.❤
Why though
@xooq_ I find the Portuguese people more welcoming, friendly & kind.
❤
I like Spain but we chose to retire in Portugal. As you mentioned, nice people, safe, world-class and affortable medical care. For example, when going out with Portugal people, if they have a car and you don't, they will go out of there way to give you a ride home, even if they do not know you that well. The people in Portugal are so warm and giving. That said, I love the fine dining in Spain and also love their wines. It is a tough chose. See you next week Thursday, another great video.
Thanks, Rhicke! Nice to hear your thoughts and to hear from you in general. See you on Thursday! - Josh & Kalie
How do you rate the health care system of Portugal? If you can please provide me with details
What are you talking about? Portuguese people are grumpy and rude.
The Portuguese cuisine is one of the most underrated cuisines worldwide
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. - Josh & Kalie
Not surprisingly the Portuguese cuisine has influenced many cuisines around the world back in the days when they went to explore the world by sea. Tempura is actually a Portuguese based dish (peixinhos da Horta) and also the Japanese castela sponge cake has Portuguese roots (pão-de-ló); vindaloo is the Indian version of vinha d’alhos. The Piri Piri went by sea to India by boat. There’s a very interesting book called the first global village written by a British author about the Portuguese spice trade and influences at the time . I’m Portuguese and I love Spain. But they’re just a little bit too loud 😂😂 I remember someone writing on a wall in bairro alto: “respect the silence otherwise go to Spain”. I think it says all 😂😅😂Anyway it’s interesting to see a neutral point of view what good and bad both countries have. All the best to you guys. And spite I’m living in Lisbon since 25 years I was born in Porto and lived there till I was 21. Porto has change a lot and for the better
Enganaste è das mais apreciadas do mundo,!!! 🤔🤔
@@gruneldbaksakis7911 não engano não. As pessoas desconhecem os pratos da nossa cozinha lá fora. Para eles comemos frango piri piri bacalhau e sardinhas. E há tão mais do que isso
@@amarco.m Engana e muito. Porque os de lá de fora que não conhecem mundo ou Portugal, não contam para nada. Os que contam são os milhões e milhões que vesitam Portugal e é vê-los a ficar maravilhados com a nossa cozinha e conhecem-na. Basta ires ao youtub e veres os comentarios deles sobre a nossa cozinha. Basta andares com eles nos hoteis e veres como conhecem. Se perguntares a um jogador estrangeiro em portugal, vais ver o que eles falam da nossa cozinha, Agora é claro que um alemão um finlandês ou seja de que país fôr, se nao conhece mundo, como queres que conheça a nossa comida? Pelos livros!!! Eu também só conheci a cozinha de Espanha França Bélgica quando conheci os países. Eu para mim a cozinha italiana é só pizas e massas, mas se calhar se fôr lá fico maravilhado, fico a saber que não.! Seu comentário não tem nexo. Se você pesquisar a cozinha portuguesa esta em 4º lugar como a melhor do mundo como nao é conhecida?🤔🤔 Nao conhece quem nao sai dos país deles, o pessoal que viaja desfruta e bem da cozinha portuguesa conhece e sabe que é muito variada.
Repito não engane as pessoas!!! 🤔
I'm portugese and i love spain 🍻
I am Cypriot which country will best suit my lifestyle culture do you think?
@@tolgaucar-gl1vm hard to say
I mean as a Mediterranean do you think I can easily adapt to these countries when compared to a North American or north European?
I am Spanish and I love Portugal.
@@tolgaucar-gl1vm no dout 🍻
After personally living in Spain for over 30 years, in my opinion Spain for sure is a better all around place to live. 🇪🇦
But that's cheating, you already call Spain home.
Andrew’s content has expanded my vision of living outside of the U.S.. I hope to attend Nomad Capitalist live one day and even meet you guys!
We chose Spain because of language, the Mediterranean climate, better infrastructure, and ease of travel to the rest of Europe.
You guys are great! Each video better than the last. Thanks so much for sharing your experience! Muito obrigado! 🤩
Thank you! 😃 We're glad that you like them. - Josh & Kalie
Valuable information. Thanks for posting.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching. - Josh & Kalie
Which part is valuable? Really -- do you know how to make a living in any of these countries? If you consider it as a tourist info piece ok. Otherwise?
@@BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp Get a job and move out of your mom's house.
I've lived in both countries, a few years in each. I much prefer Portugal, but that's a personal choice, although my family agrees with me. We currently live in Silves, Algarve, and love it...
Thanks for sharing! It's very much a personal choice for sure. - Josh & Kalie
Silves is nice, with it's castle above the village.
Super helpful as usual! 👍
What did you really learn?
No rivalry here, love Spain from the bottom of my heart. Meeting a Spanish fella overseas is always a joy, I think both countries identify strongly with their peninsula, and that's always fun.
Informative vid - tks!
Of course Spain being so much bigger will have many more options, and it certainly is a beautiful neighbour, but Portugal isn’t just Lisbon and Porto🤦🏻♀️… have you heard of Coimbra, Leiria, Santarém, Viana do Castelo, Braga, Guimarães, Castelo Branco, Figueira da Foz, Mafra, Almada, Setúbal, Évora, Beja, Faro, Lagos, etc etc etc???
They’ve been all over. Their whole channel is traveling all over Portugal from the perspective of Americans and discussing which place is better to move to.
Watching second time, and this is so helpful. I had not heard of an exit tax!
So glad! - Josh & Kalie
Nice analysis and I look forward to your upcoming video on Kuala Lumpur😊
Thanks a lot 😊 It's going to be a while before we head there, Tom, but we look forward to it. What kind of video are you looking for from our KL content? - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Thanks Josh & Kalie, would love to see a quality of life discussion of KL, like you've done here with Spain and PT!
I am Portuguese and i know Spain well. I agree completely with everything u said, and that was some how a surprise cause i though my evalution would be biased. As for me, despite the problems with our politicians (thou this goes for most of the world), i wouldnt change Portugal for Spain, i am greatful to be Portuguese.
Food is much cheaper in Spain, as is petrol. Many people who live close to the border, rush over to Spain weekly to stock up on both. Not sure about utilities.
I'm sorry but food isn't cheaper in Spain though, at least not the food in restaurants. Also the food in supermarkets depends on the product, it's not like what it used to be decades ago.
In my actual experience: taxes, utilities, food and rent are cheaper in Spain (Madrid vs Lisbon).
Agree
Lisbon might actually be the exception at the moment. The rental market in Lisbon is crushing. Thanks for writing that. We just spoke with a financial guy today about this as we're doing another video comparing the two. - Josh & Kalie
Yep, Algarve is MUCH more expensive than Southern Spain to rent too. Lack of stock
Mas isso, é só nos ultimos tempos, porque agora não há bicho careta, que sem mais nem meos não resolva vir para portugal, e a procura,encarrega-se do resto.Infelismente,nos ultimos anos, portugal foi apenas DESGOVERNADO...
Taxes in Spain are close to the highest in Europe.
this was very interesting. i guess it also depends on personal taste and circumstance. you guys did a very comprehensive and fair comparison. thanks! :)
Thank you very much. - Josh & Kalie
Both countries are great and have a lot to offer! Like comparing apples to oranges! Thank you both🎉
100%, Laura. Do you think they're like apples and oranges? I'd think more like Gala and Granny Smiths since they're so closely related. In my opinion, both are great apples but they have different applications. One is great to bake with, the other makes good juice, and both can be eaten from the tree. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Absolutely! Agreed 💯
Diferença? A 150m de distância pé pé pé pé Espanha à vista . 50m distância sesesese....Já passaste a fronteira.Estás em portugal.De resto, tudo boa gente.
Portugal has become too expensive, and that is difficult to deal with...
Great thorough video! Thanks! Confirms my hunch that I chose to move to the right country for me! But even though I live in Portugal, I can still easily travel to Spain!
Love this matchup. Thanks, folks! 😊
I am from Lebanon. I love both countries but i believe Portugal can be suitable for tourism and vacations since it has wonderful sceneries and beaches and it could be cheaper than Spain meanwhile Spain economy is bit stronger with possibility to find better paid jobs. But i send peace wishes for both countries. Hooe to visit them someday
Trust me. What you see on videos and pictures doesn’t do justice. You have to go and see them in person.
@@walterramirez3287 i am waiting impatiently to have chance to go and visit those two countries.
@@ghassanjneinaty4421 you will love them both.
@@ghassanjneinaty4421Para onde quer que vá.....Vá livre, de mente aberta,sem esperar o que contaram,nem no bem, nem no mal.So assim pode dar a sua opinião....
Thank you for loving and living here 🇵🇹
Thank you too! We appreciate the welcome. - Josh & Kalie
As the parents of a young child, you may not have experienced the educational system yet, but I think this would also be a very valid consideration for families.
From a quality of public schools and universities perspective and how well they are spread out geographically, which would you pick
Very informative , both of you are very nice people .
Thank you! 😃 - Josh & Kalie
Good information, as always!
Thanks for the pros and cons. Both are awesome
countries. Guys, I need to tell you about a new episode of “Never too small” featuring an apartment in Porto. Worth watching.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching. Yup, both are great, which is why it makes for a great comparison. We'll search up the episode. - Josh & Kalie
Amazing video, guys! really! As a Brazilian-Portuguese who has lived in both countries, I agree with everything you said. At the end of the day, I decided to live in Portugal and as a realtor I genuinely help those who want to make the same decision and get their houses or businesses here. Interestingly, I also lived in Brazil and in the US - for a short period of time - and weighing it all I still choose Portugal, according to my life priorities such as safety, quality of life, cuisine, some infrastructure and decent and affordable health care. Anyway, sending my greetings from Ericeira/Lisbon, you guys are great! Helena Badr
Hi Helena! Thank you very much. We appreciate the feedback. Much love to you in Ericeira! We hope all is well there. - Josh & Kalie
Madrid has some fantastic grilled fish, octopus , etc. Was hard to find that in Barcelona though.
Madrid had some crazy stat when we lived there where it's the most landlocked part of the country and the highest consumption of seafood per capita or something odd like that! - Josh & Kalie
Os Espanhóis sempre vieram a Portugal para comerem os melhores peixes e mariscos. Sempre assim foi dito por eles mesmo....
It's curious that in Portugal, the equivalent to "vosotros" which is "vós" is almost not used anymore and has been replaced by "vocês" (same as "ustedes" in spanish) . It is still used in "trás-os-montes" but mainly by the older generation. I guess both languages are having similar evolution there.
Good call. - Josh & Kalie
It's actually used in more regions than only just Trás-os-Montes. The thing is that "vós" used to have two meanings: one as a formal way to say "you" (just like in French) and, of course, a second person plural pronoun. The first meaning indeed it's only used by elderly people in Trás-os-Montes and it's dying, but the second, more traditional, meaning is still living on in most of Northern Portugal even in the younger generation.
I just came back from A scouting trip to Portugal and Spain. I was set on Portugal but now Love Spain more. We were offered drugs in Praca De Comercio 4 different times. We went to Plaza Martin Moniz to take tram 28 and saw many homeless around the plaza. Saw pickpockets working the line and the bathroom under the plaza were we park the car where destroyed. On our drive back I saw a group of young adults that didn’t look Portugués spray painting the side is a building and an old man carrying groceries looking at them and shaking his head.This situations were to sad because Portugal is beautiful. Is Spain perfect? Nope, but I felt better there. Not to mention that I speak Spanish so it was easier for us to communicate. The town I was impressed the most was Aveiro. More calm than Lisbon and beautiful. I will be going back to check more of Portugal and Spain. So I can make a better decision. I also don’t understand why the government don’t take possession or buy some of the abandoned buildings in Lisbon and remodel them and rent them to Portuguese people only at an affordable price. There is a lot of real state abandoned in the city. This is just my opinion and observation. BTW the Portuguese people are great. They get out of there way to help. I love that about Portugal. Next time I’m trying to spend 6 weeks on each country to make my decision a little bit easier. Thanks for all the content and information you guys give us.
You clearly need to see more of Portugal. You seem to be cherrypicking a lot - you know that in many Spanish cities you'd have the exact same experiences as in Lisbon, don't you?
Thanks for sharing, Walter. - Josh & Kalie
@@diogorodrigues747 não me leves a mal, mas estas tipo em todos os coments a defender patrioticamente portugal... quando muitas das criticas feitas são validas! Portugal tem muitos pontos fortes mas também tem muita coisa a mudar... não é atoa que muitos de nós esta a sair do pais. Bem aja e forte abraço.
@@leonelantonio6512 Depende das críticas. Há críticas que são válidas, outras que nem por isso - e as que vejo como sendo absurdas eu tento dar o meu ponto de vista, sobretudo tendo em vista que estamos a comparar Portugal com Espanha (que, sejamos honestos, não é propriamente o país para onde os emigrantes portugueses vão de forma geral). E esse é que é o ponto principal - a meu ver críticas sobre carteiristas, a presença de sem abrigos ou os grafittis em Portugal quando estamos a fazer comparações com Espanha é só falta de noção, Barcelona por exemplo (que é, digamos, a cidade mais equivalente a Lisboa em Espanha) é muitíssimo pior no que toca a qualquer um dos pontos mencionados. E mesmo na questão das drogas é como quem diz, os únicos sítios onde foram-me oferecidas drogas na rua na minha vida foram Alicante e Salobreña (sítios onde eu só fui uma vez, por certo). Há mais de uma década que ninguém me oferece droga em Lisboa, a malta está sempre a dizer que os burlões da droga continuam por lá mas eu nunca os apanho, é estranho (e olha que eu vou muitas vezes a Lisboa)...
@@leonelantonio6512 Porque é que achas que eu não comentei sobre a questão da habitação? Porque eu acho que é uma crítica válida e efetivamente é um problema grave. Aí está a prova da minha racionalidade.
Regarding the language, it's like we took the same building blocks, but whereas the Spanish (Castilians, in this case), made theirs one of the simplest languages to speak and lerarn, the Portuguese made theirs as complex as possible...
The many different influences didn't help(Visigoths, Moors, Celts...).
Lovely couple. In synchrony with each other.
Thank you. - Josh & Kalie
Guys, isn't Porto's weather "bad" when compared to Lisbon and Algarve? We have concerns about allergies and mildew/mold... as well as mood if the city is mostly "gray" (London for example)
Comparatively, it's grayer than Lisbon and Algarve. Algarve will be the best sun and highest temperatures year round. A lot of housing in the north has mold issues or at least it's more susceptible to mold due to humidity and dampness. - Josh & Kalie
If you want sun 300 days/year go to Algarve.
Great video...thank you!
As having visited both it depends on what you would like more: I found Lisbon , Portugal to be a graffiti ridden city with trash bags tossed and lying on the sidewalks all over Lisbon. The Public transportation system was terrible, inefficient and never on time. It is known as the poorest country in Europe. I found Spain to be as cheap in groceries as Portugal with way more variety of choices. All the cities I visited were pristine in cleanliness and they take care of their cities. Very few if any graffiti I observed in several Spanish cities. Medical system is superior in Spain than in Portugal and its infrastructure as well is superior. At times in Lisbon I felt I was in a 3rd World country. I never felt I was truly in Europe while in Portugal but when I was in Spain it felt like Europe. The two things they do mention that is troubling with Spain is the Wealth Tax . It doesn’t exist in Madrid or Andalucia but it does in the other cities. A ridiculously absurd tax.
I like the fact when you buy something or food drink etc what you see is what you pay. Unlike north america except for a few jurisdictions, they add state fed or province taxes on top of listed price...
great video, love the S VS P, its like a sibling rivalry, USA has an exit tax too, if you renounce your citizenship
USA exit tax only if your assetts are over $2M
Thank you! We actually just spoke to a financial guy about this for a video we're doing that'll come out in a few weeks! :-) Spain's exit tax is a little more pointed for expats because the likelihood of leaving Spain as an expat is higher than the likelihood of renouncing one's citizenship, right? - Josh & Kalie
Both are amazing countries, brothers, shared history, same genetics....Iberian Union!
You seem to be really nice people!😊
Thank you, Lexy. - Josh & Kalie
With what monthly salary you compared this?
What about paying taxes , do you get taxed on ur foreign income ? If so which is better as far as tax Spain or Portugal ?
Appreciate your insights. Between the NHR and 5 years to citizenship, Portugal tipped the scales in their favor. Spain wins hands down on variety of those tier 2 cities with public transportation options, high speed rail and international airport access. Our timeline is now delayed 1 more year. We will continue to explore options in both countries, take time to find our personal “fit” where we can see ourselves long term, weigh the taxes & cost of living scenarios, etc. If we were relocating this summer, it would be Spain, however, primarily for ease of immigration. Locking into a 1 year (or more), IF you can find a place to live, paying for 6 months before arriving, possibly not being able to get your residency appointment for many months once there…there seem to be a lot of roadblocks currently in Portugal. Contrasted to applying for a digital nomad visa while in Spain, fast turnaround on decision, short term lease is acceptable, all family members allowed to work in Spain.
Thanks for sharing your take, Kathy. - Josh & Kalie
I love Spain, yet to visit Portugal but it's on my list. How often do you guys visit the US?
Nice! Since moving abroad back in 2009, our cadence of visiting the US was once every 2 years. It's likely going to become more frequent over time because of our daughter's age. We'd like her to get some more time with her cousins. - Josh & Kalie
im portuguese and im going to live in spain in the future
Find a remote job in the US, so you can work from home and live wherever you want to live. If you speak more than one language you will be at an advantage.
" The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain " That saying has been around forEver. hahaha
LOL Yea, like before meteorology. - Josh
Hi Guys
First of all I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT IT
Was SUCH A Pleasure MEETING YOU AT THE AMERICAN EMBASSY IN LISBON !!
THANK YOU FOR SHARING SO MANY
WONDERFUL VIDEOS !!!!✨🌷🌞🌹
WISHING YOU BOTH THE VERY BEST 💞 😍
Hi, Jorge! It was nice to meet you albeit very brief. :-) We hope everything went smoothly. Thanks for the message. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere
I Wish I were able to spend a little more time with you guys,
Maybe even have some coffee... I've been Trying to exchange my driver's license for the Portuguese one, There's just so much
RED TAPE, And I don't drive Stick, O well I'll figure something out....
Once again it was so nice to have met you...
@@JorgeSilva888 It was a quick visit for us for sure. 🙂You'll get there in the end with the driver's license exchange. Just be persistent. All the best and nice to meet you too. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere
Thank you, I appreciate it..
😊☕☕👌
Me, as a portuguese living near the spanish border, I deeply know both both cultures and realities. I prefer Spain. Better quality of life no doubt. Good food too. More diversity of climate, more preserved culture, more friendly people in my own point of view (I know well the portuguese and the spanish), and a more rich country.. Northern people from Portugal is not as closed as southern people, and a californian from San Diego and a folk from the Maine, ther´s not much difference from one or another. We can not put a whole country in a bag and say this is this. Iberian peninsula is a mixing of different cultures, different languages (at least five). So it´s difficult to compare in terms of whre is the best place to live.
Your take on the language is fascinating to me... I have a BS in Spanish and attended uni in Sevilla for a time. Modern Spanish and Portuguese split off from Medieval Spanish... when you read the original Don Quixote you need to know the rules on what "changed" and you are fine (substitute h for f, like hacer and facer)... and you immediately see how Portuguese came to be. I obviously over simplified this but you get the point. Old English is exactly like this. Our professor assigned us 150 pages the first day of class and when we all came back incredibly confused he then shared the "rules" on what letters "changed", the combos, etc and then reading it was MUCH easier. While in Spain in the late 80s I traveled to "the end of the world" (cool site to see) in Portugal and stayed a week. We rented rooms from a lovely Senhora and I spoke Spanish to her, she replied in Portugese and we understood each other just fine. Interestingly she had also rented out part of the house to Germans and we could communicate with them haltingly with our English. Language is FUN!
I think the "ease" of Spanish for North Americans simply comes from the familiarity for us. Unless you live in upper New England (French), just about everything is translated into Spanish - signs, school communications, documents, phone trees, government services, etc. It is pretty straightforward in being truly phonetic for us IMO... a few exceptions but only a few. I find Portugese a bit like I have to stop and remember the Spanish "substitutions" when I'm reading it. Most people only learn Mexican Spanish which is slower and "easier" than "Castilian" Spanish (your vosotros comment). I learned Mexican Spanish in HS and then in college my professor was Zaragozan (Tharagothan) and we used Castilian. Then I went to Sevilla and all bets were off! That was NOT Castilian and was MUCH faster - it took me 2 weeks of stumbling around and not understanding the spoken until I understood THOSE changes but then it clicked. The only Spanish that I have found to be even faster than what is spoken in Sevilla is Cuban and I cannot understand them at all, especially when they are passionately ranting - I did feel better about that because my Mexican coworker couldn't understand it either when we were both present at a rant - LOL! But most of us in North America only really interact with Latin American Spanish (varies also from country to country). And a lot of what I said is a generalization - there are "fast talkers" in every language, all over the world.
That's only my experience and my opinion. And language is a living breathing thing, constantly evolving - like I said, fascinating to a language major.
I was also interested in your comment on fried foods in Spain. I think when I lived there in '86 the only fried food I had was churros. Everything else was very very fresh and in Sevilla you have a multitude of fish dishes (squid in ink, paella w seafood, calamari sauteed). Spanish food varies GREATLY from region to region. But the tapas that I remember most from our local tapas bars involved olives, jamon, Spanish tortilla, queso (not Mexican melted but actual cheese)... delicious and quite healthy. Like I said, though, it really depends on the region and I was there almost 40 yrs ago and cuisine also evolves over time.
I am currently in Portugal after a month in Spain . And for me Spain is definitely better in everything, food, friendliness, great scenery and historical towns with fabulous architecture.
Thanks for sharing. Let us know where you were in both countries. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere I toured Andalusia , Granada, Ronda, Cádiz, Seville , and some coastal places Tarifa, Conil, and Malaga . Loved it all .
In Portugal I arrived at Albufeira , then on to Lagos quite liked these two places . Lisbon I really didn’t enjoy , Aveiro is quite nice , just about to leave Porto which was ok . Have decided to return to UK to “re group” and maybe Asia next .
At least you gave Portugal a try. Me for example will never go to England because I don't like their culture, lack of friendliness, trash on the streets, crime rate, poor food and so on...
@@JH-me We love Singapore and Kuala Lumpur. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere We are leaving Portugal for Malaysia - just waiting for our long stay visa, after two years.
So what replaced NHR, what is a situation with that?
There is something called "NHR 2.0" but it's basically a brand new scheme that's highly targeted and doesn't apply to pensioners. - Josh & Kalie
Also can you say how US pensions (social security and IRA) are taxed in Spain? We are a couple with total $4-5k/month, how much taxes will have to pay in Spain? Is it on Beckham law, 24% for first 5-6 yrs? And later what? Thinking of retiring in Alicante area.
Please email Kalie at info@expatseverywhere.com and she can connect you with a tax specialist to analyze your situation. - Josh & Kalie
Hi Guys, where's the update on your house project??
Hi Jon, finally filmed the end of the first episode and we're looking forward to releasing it this week. We're shooing for Friday on the "new" channel. - Josh & Kalie
I think it's also a factor in where you came from. My country of origin has a more similar culture to that of Spain, so I think I can integrate better in Spain when it comes to the language and culture as a whole. I'm not saying that Portugal's culture isn't similar, though; both are Iberians after all.
Thanks for sharing. - Josh & Kalie
porto vs san sebastian ?
rent is only more relatively expensive in Porto and Lisbon
I am also an American. I lived for a year and a half in the Algarve, over 13 in Spain, so i think I can speak with more authority about the latter. Although I visit Portugal frequently. I lived for a year and a half in the Algarve, over 13 in Spain, so i think I can speak with more authority about the latter. Although I visit Portugal frequently. So my general impression is that the two countries have much more in common than in contrast. People in general like to accentuate their differences. Just look at Northern Ireland. Ethnically nearly identical but they terrorized each other because they had a different interpretation of Jesus. So I think this video should be approached in the same way, it's cutting fine distinctions from an American's perspective. Much more instructive for me is contrasting Iberia with the USA, or even Europe in general. I'd choose to live in any Western European country than the USA. I lived in Denmark in '88 and loved it (although I was only there in the warm season).
You didn’t consider ease and cost of immigrating to one of these two incredible countries. My understanding is that the Portuguese D-7 requires less passive income and is easier to obtain than the Spanish Non Lucrative visa. But you guys would know better than me since you are actually living in Portugal and I am a wannabe. Also you didn’t mention the archipelagos that both countries possess. Perhaps that this would be a tie since the Azores and Madeira are probably just as beautiful and pleasant as the Canaries and Balearics. Anyways, great video both; countries are incredible!!
Yes, that's fair. We should have brought up the geographical options although like you said, it's a push but it is interesting that both have several island regions to enjoy! We think that immigration process was easier in Portugal compared to Spain but that's our experience. - Josh & Kalie
I am Cypriot which country will best suit my lifestyle and culture do you think?
Spain has so much more to offer, infrastructure, food, & places
Fair video, both nice, appealing countries but I have to disagree, I find Spanish people a lot friendlier and approachable 😅 Portugal edges it out for food though.
Thanks for sharing! - Josh & Kalie
Hey! Are you still in Portugal? I would love to meet you you guys! Obrigado!
Thanks for supporting the channel. Yes, we (Josh & Kalie) are still in Portugal. We have regular meetups every 4-6 weeks. We put out dates and locations on our social media channels and a sure fire way to see it is by asking Kalie to get on her e-newsletter. (info@expatseverywhere.com) - Josh & Kalie
Normally, in Portugal you are close to Spain, whereas in Spain you may be very far from Portugal. So Portugal has also that advantage: being closer to Spain than Spain being close to Portugal. :o)
Just returned from Barcelona disappointed that it cost for 40 euros from the airport to city center
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Spain wins out for the arts and access to the rest of Europe.
Top, top, top art! - Josh & Kalie
That Anderson guy caters 7 to 8 figure customers. Nothing to do with average people.
Andrew Henderson. He does say 7-8 figure, which honestly, is a decent amount of retirees from the US, isn't it? Something like 10% of Americans retire with 1 million or more. Nomad Capitalist certainly likes to target 7-8 figure clients but makes content for a broader range of people. - Josh & Kalie
Think that is a good point
Spain and Portugal are not Coke and Pepsi, products on a shelf to comparison shop. You can say which you personally have enjoyed living in more, and why, but not which is ‘better’ in any objective way, except for statistics on specific measures. I’m American, living in France, and have lived in Spain as well, and I would never dream of trying to say which country is ‘better’.
Can golden visa holders work in Spain?
You guys missed the main one CLEANLINESS, I have been to both few years back and watched some other UA-camrs Spain is definitely cleaner than Portugal!
"Been to both" lol I've lived in both. Portugal is definitely cleaner. Not to say Spain is dirty as Greece, but not as clean as their neighbour
Where did you go? Indeed Lisbon is a dirty city but Lisbon isn't a real example of the country in general, most cities in Portugal are very, very clean (even Porto).
@@diogorodrigues747 Portuguese cities are clean??? Please, we see paper and plastic bottles everywhere, and let's not forget dog's poop. Maybe the villages are a bit cleanier but not the cities.
@@CT-eq9km Well, that's my experience being a Portuguese.
I'd say as a Dutch man about friendlyness, yes they both are, but if I had to choose, I'd go with the Spanish. They are a bit more straight than Portuguese, and will tell you faster if they like you or not. I like that attitude, but I understand that for anglo-saxons, especially people from the UK, that's more difficult. Of course, being Dutch, we are even close to being rude, about our attitude towards it, but I like it. I can thus easily pick "my people".
It's been nearly 40 years since I was hanging out in Asia, but i never felt kuala Lumpur was particularly wild or crazy. I guess in comparison to Singapore one might think so, though.
We're really excited to head back to Southeast Asia. Both Singapore and KL are places that we love. - Josh & Kalie
Yes, I am so much more familiar with Spanish and my confidence is not so high for learning a whole new language. 😬 I know I could get by but would want to become fluent and be a part of a community.
Question for Josh and Kylie ... why didn't you include "Governance/Political Stability" and/or "Residency Application Process/Requirements" as categories to rate? 🤔
What would you like to know, Ryan?
The residency application thing is a rather shortsighted component to the longer sided, "living in X country" part of the conversation since both places have pathways. On the governance or political stability side, it's not something that we cared to step into as these videos are more lighthearted. If were were comparing two countries that had stark differences in political stability, we would certainly comment if appropriate. - Josh & Kalie
When you compare them you should try take into account their islands. Madeira and Azores are quite a contrast from Portugal's mainland in my opinion.
So you don't rate Tenerife, Gran Canaria, Majorca, Minorca, Lanzarote, Ibiza and the other Spanish islands? - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere I've never been to Spain's islands.
I have a really nice, just getting renovated 2 bedroom flat to rent.
Good points:
Safe area in a friendly neighbourhood
Reliable public transportation
Loads of shops, cafes, supermarkets and banks within walking distance.
Bad points
Limited parking
Town
Pinhal Novo, just by the fire brigade station
£850pcm
Para gustos hay colores. Portugal is gorgeous, and I enjoyed my time there, but I feel like Spain is best for long-term residents, or for those who plan on spending part of their working lives there. If you're retired, a digital nomad, and/or want to get by with just English, Portugal might be better.
Fair points for sure. - Josh & Kalie
My heart belongs to Barcelona🧡🧡🧡
Hmmm. Interesting about the "don't move" comment. Here in NYC, we can tell locals from out of town residents from other parts of the US, and it is often the out of towners who take up the entire sidewalk, get off the escalators and don't move aside, and don't move.🤷
Food is better in Spain, Portuguese food not my thing 😂also farmers market’s are weekly thing in Spain in Portugal there no farmers market for fresh food.
Wrong! We have farmers markets in every town.
Interesting! I found the food in Portugal less tasty in general; need more sauce, more spice. And true, it's easy to find Spanish restaurants but the only Portuguese restaurants are chicken rôtisseries, at least here in Australia
Thanks for sharing. - Josh & Kalie
I bought a villa in Spain about the year 2000 . And noticed a lot of crime against households .burglary was common you needed bars on your windows.and on top of that they were expert lock pickers so could walk through any lock ..in the shops you got targeted by cashiers who would try and short change you . All in all they were all trying to robb you continuously.walking on the streets gypsys pick pockets were everywhere .yes they were all at it trying to get their hands on your money .i was pleased to get back home. A few years later i bought again this time in Cyprus. Near to Paphos different again . No problems whatsoever no burglaries no muggers no robbing shop keepers .so if your looking for a place in the sun choose Cyprus every time.
I am Spanish and I agree basically with all your points. Specially to the point of Spanish being loud. When I have been to Portugal, I have felt embarrassed by the loudness and shouts of my countrymen. I love that feature of Portuguese, they don't shout when they speak as we do
Thanks for your input, Alfredo. It's really funny because we hear Portuguese saying that they're "loud" and we're like, have you heard the Spanish? LOL It's really funny to us because we've been told a lot that Americans are loud and while Americans definitely aren't quiet or reserved broadly speaking, the Spanish beat us. - Josh & Kalie
I am a Cypriot which country will best suit my lifestyle and culture do you think?
If you want a real comparison you should live some years in north, Levante coast and Andalucia at least for to have minimun knowledge about Spain. You can't only living in Madrid. Also Canary and Balear Islands.
No one mentioned the anchovies of Portugal 😊
Neither the anchovies in Spain...
The language thing is important. I've spent a lot of time in Spain and some time in Portugal and I found the people of Portugal pretty rude and impatient with my limited Portuguese, whereas in Spain, I speak fluent Spanish and just find the people to be incredibly warm, and helpful. I think it's clear that has to do with the language differences.
This depends from person to person. We Portuguese understand the Spanish language better than the Spaniards understand the Portuguese language.
@Plouf-xg9sz this makes a lot of sense to me. I've had a similar experience with my Brazilian friends. I know Portuguese and Brazilians aren't the same, but they do have a lot in common. Brazilians can be very abrasive until they accept you into their friendship circle. But once they do, they are incredible.
Spain has more options of living style, cities, regional foods, climates, etc. I’d vote for Spain just for breadth of choices. But I speak both languages (odd American) and love both countries.
The Ocupas are a big downside in Spain 🥹
Thanks for the Video! 🧡
You're welcome. Thanks for watching. - Josh & Kalie
Thanks to Expats for pressuring housing prices and rents, food prices. Stay in your country, come over for a holiday, and leave.
Cool. Prove it. Where's the data?
In Portugal's case the data doesn't support it with around 10% of real estate transaction being to foreign buyers.
Are you Spanish or Portuguese?
Or you could earn more money? With the internet existing you have no excuse, get out of the comments and make more money. Or you can complain
@@maximizemoney5694 We love this comment. We know that's what Portuguese with Leo did. - Josh & Kalie
To me, Spanish is easier to learn but harder to understand in real life. Mainly due to how rapidly Spanish is typically spoken.
Whereas Portuguese is harder to learn, especially with pronunciation, but easier to understand in real life. Because Portuguese is typically spoken at a slower pace. So I have more time to mentally process what I hear.
I don't know what "Portuguese" are you talking about but it's certainly not European Portuguese. European Portuguese is spoken very fast just like Spanish is.
If there were 12 points instead of 11, it probably would be a tie
23.37 is not portual or spain . it is vancouver , canada. you guys probably wanna delete that image as it is not portual or spain landscape
The editor was just showing clouds and movement to transmit the idea of climate not to say it's either Spain or Portugal but point taken, we'll point it out to him. Just as an FYI, there's no real "deleting that image" when it comes to editing a video that's already published on UA-cam. - Josh