American Chooses Portugal Over Croatia and Is Loving Life
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- Опубліковано 23 лют 2024
- Kalie from ExpatsEverywhere sits down with Steve from ScubesKitchen to discuss moving to Portugal. As an American, Steve and his wife felt like they fit the European culture more than the American culture so they took the leap and moved to Portugal. They had some visa issues, a hard time finding a rental to live in, and a few other bumps in the road but now they are here and loving it. They didn't plan on living in Guimarães but that's where they landed. Why did they choose the north and what brought them to this city? Watch as they discuss prices going up, what life is like living in Guimarães, learning Portuguese, and more.
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After 40 years in the US, Arizona as well, I finally moved back home from where I left at 13 years of age. Best thing I ever did. Being from Minho, I am so happy Americans are starting to look at Minho as an amazingly beautiful place to live in. Welcome to Portugal your new home❤
That is awesome! Thank you for sharing. - Josh & Kalie
I hear Portugal is very nice …I’m in Florida now moved here from N Y been here 18 yrs but in the next 1 or 2 I’m thinking to move to Europe Posibly Portugal or Spain
@@mikereut6088 Thanks for sharing. Both countries are nice and have their positives. We hope you were able to catch yesterday's video. - Josh & Kalie
Thirty seven year's from living in New York from long Island and moved to Portugal loving it and definitely not going back
Good to hear from you, Antonio! :-) - Josh & Kalie
The best decision I've ever made was moving to Portugal from Rio, 38 years ago. I love this country and its people. I live in Cascais which is a nice and sunny village, with beautiful beaches, very near Lisbon and Sintra.
Thanks for sharing! - Josh & Kalie
Fun and interesting video. I've seen this guy on UA-cam and some of his videos are a hoot. We stayed in Braga for a month and visited Guimaraes and both are bautiful and unique. Guimaraes has more of a medieval look to the city center. We're also from Arizona and in the process of emigrating to Portugal and the process will be complete soon. We hired professionals to assist with the entire process and we wouldn't have wanted to attempt it ourselves. Everything has happened quickly and smoothly without a hitch. We'll also have representation at our SEF appointments. I highly recommend that you use a professional service or attorney for these processes. We bought a house in central Portugal in a town of 5,000 with all services and with good access to larger cities. We're retiring so being in a smaller town is fine for us and we love the area. We've met some local folks who have been beyond friendly and helpful and have even stopped by to visit. There is a learning curve to living in a more traditional Portuguese home. Our house is made of stone and lives very differenlty than our house in Arizona for sure. Being stone with very thick walls, we don't need air conditioning at all and we are quite used to air conditioning in Arizona! We love Portugal and returning to the US is not in our future plans either. Cheers!
Fascinating to read this. Congrats on your move. Thanks for sharing your story. - Josh & Kalie
I just moved here. I got the D8. I did it myself without a lawyer. It was a process but I did it. It took 6 months. I should make a video lol.
👋, I plan to make my move this year and need as much guidance that is possible 😮
@starfish7558 geez where do I start?
@starfish7558 we've got a ton of content on the channel to help you do it yourself. - Josh & Kalie
guimaraes is the favorite of my wife. she lived there in 2015, an then we came back to portugal in 2021, but this time we were in Mafra, near lisbon. we left, temporarily, and thinking to come back to guimaraes. we ll see! great interview by the way!!! cheers from brazil!!!
Thanks for sharing. That's interesting to know that your wife lived there almost a decade ago! Thanks for watching and we appreciate the compliment. - Josh & Kalie
Correct. It's exactly what we did. We were in Portugal on our normal 3 month passport. When approved, we flew back to Newark, FedEx'd our passports to DC with a. return FedEx envelope. Then, flew back to Porto. It's a pain to do it that way.. but maybe this will help someone in the future. It's likely best to just wait until everything is fully approved.
Another terrific interview. Something to note though... prices are doubling and tripling everywhere... Canada in some places, costs have quadrupled... and half my family is in the US (daughter lives in LA (California)... it's no wonder the homeless population has tripled. It's most definitely not a Portugal only thing.
Yes, that’s the thing that must stay in context. Prices are rising nearly everywhere. Thanks for watching and commenting, Jen. - Josh & Kalie
Shut UP!!! I didn’t recognize him until he mentioned his videos! I’m a subscriber on TikTok and IG. My daughter works in a restaurant and I LOVE his videos! Super funny. I love knowing that he’s in Portugal. We’re planning to move to PT in ‘25 or ‘26. I really appreciate this video for some of the advice about attorney and a rental agent. ❤
Sorry, we spent a week "shutting up" but now we've gotta write you back. 😊 ❤️ Thanks for the comment and being a subscriber for over two year! Awesome. Keep us posted on your move and if you need any help. - Josh & Kalie
Another great interview, Kalie!
Thank you, Terri. Josh is up next. - Josh & Kalie
É muito interesante ouvir uma entrevista de alguém como Chef Scubes que eu sigo nas redes sociais. A ultima coisa que eu imaginei era saber que voce e a sua mulher moram fora dos Estados Unidos! Eu adoro os sketches do Chef Scubes com o garçon e os clientes! Greetings from Mexico!
Ahhh!! Wife n' I are huge fans of Scubeskitchen! We had no idea they were in Portugal as well!! Getting ready to move to Porto soon. We agree, it's a magical city. Awesome interview, Kalie 🤙
That's wild that you watch both channels and didn't know that Steve is here. Thanks for sharing. :-) - Josh & Kalie
Everyone is welcome in my country, rich or poor, looking for an opportunity. Everyone is welcome! All of this makes Portugal a richer, more cosmopolitan, more intercultural country.....The Portuguese must be prepared to embrace many diverse cultures, but foreigners must also be open to learning a different culture, including a difficult language. I was born near Guimarães, I live in Leiria and Lisbon :)
Thanks for the open arms, Fernando! - Josh & Kalie
I totally recognized him as soon as you started the interview. Yeah, like his IG skits. Glad he too loves Portugal. 🇵🇹
Wow im from Arizona too. Good video, thanks for the tips
Thanks for watching! - Josh & Kalie
I didnt know you were in Portugal. I spend the last 2 summers there. Would have been great to meet up
Nice interview. I’m going to check out Scubes Kitchen-I love this guy’s “vibe” 😉
HAHA, thanks, Gerald. If you've ever worked in a restaurant or have family that has, his shorts will definitely resonate. He does have a vibe! - Josh & Kalie
Awesome video! The process for of deciding on Portugal is a mirror image of Steve’s process as is his preference for Porto! Great interview K! Whoohoo!
Thank you, Jenn! We appreciate it. Força Porto! - Josh & Kalie
Excellent video and interview! I'm a fan of his comedy. Thank you for sharing about the process to immigrate to Portugal.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you very much for watching, Chris. We appreciate you subscribing and joining our community. - Josh & Kalie
interesting view on a lesser known Portuguese destination Guimaraes, but looks like all the kool kids are moving to Porto 🙂
Indeed the cool kids have. 😁 Thanks for watching. - Josh & Kalie
My grandparents emigrated from the Azores along with tons of others. They bought a dairy in the San Joaquin Valley in CA like lots of their siblings and many others to be part of the American dream, and they did. That was probably in the early 1900s. Their children, grands, and great grands, and great great grands still go to festas in Monterey where my grandparents eventually moved to buy houses at auction and renovate and flip them way before flipping was a thing. Now, so many Americans of non Portuguese ethnicity are moving to Portugal. Kathleen
Great video, dreaming in live in Europe too. Love the slow paced live, I guess I'm getting old ;)
Thank you. - Josh & Kalie
2:06 If you guys ever visit rural Portugal areas let us know, we are located in Santiago da Guarda, Ansiao😉
Both you and julia are incredible !! Keep it up and say hi to Josh from emanuel!! Hope to see them sometime !! 😊
Hi Emanuel! - Josh
I am glad its working out well .. i am Portugueses lived in uk ouver twenty years left uk long time ago and strat fresh in Portugal 5 minutos from Lisboa we had to chang work profession but because we are rent free we dont nead mutch .glad to say that ita also working out well..
Is good you fitting very well in Porto people personality , be honest, honor, and integrity, this 0ersonality is will open the door of porto , well done .
Thanks for writing, Miguel! - Josh & Kalie
Your work is surely inspiring. I am a Portuguese citizen by birth (never lived there, only visited) but I will likely move there and try the north coast. It's more financially sensible to live in The Netherlands but their systems are driving me nuts (and depressed). I will keep you posted. Thanks for your content.
Thank you very much. It's very humbling to read this.
Yes, please keep us posted. :-)
Thank you for watching. - Josh & Kalie
I figured out where I knew Steve from. Steve you should do some short films, It is a real option, just search. You are talented and fun to watch.
:-) - Josh & Kalie
Do you guys have any plans to cover more Lisbon neighborhoods?
Braga looks great in the rain.
This was mainly Guimarães, not Braga. - Josh & Kalie
Wait what? I never knew ScubesKitchen lives in Portugal?
I always watch him in Instagram.
I don't now 2 people can live in Portugal on 2,000 a month. We pay 1,600 a month in rent plus utilities. we spend $4,000 a month.with no car.
We know a few people outside of the cities (Lisbon, Porto) that are living on €2,000. Like you though our family of 3 spends around €3,000-4,000. Our rent is 2021 prices. - Josh & Kalie
Thank you, that’s good to know! 👍🏼
Most of people in Portugal live on much less. Perspectives 😊
@@elsakiyemartins7886 We're testing that out now. Halfway through it. - Josh & Kalie
Great vid! You’re saying Guimarães as Ghee-ma-RAISh (like the sound in the word: rice) when it’s actually pronounced Ghee-ma-rangsh. Like the (ang) in the word ‘bang’ and ‘dang’.
We like people like you guys, welcome.
Thanks. - Josh & Kalie
My city ❤️
The first capitol of Portugal is Coimbra
Thank you for putting the spelling of Guimarães in the comments. 0% chance I would have been able to spell that.
You're welcome. For any of those kinds of curiosities, please check our description section of video. We try to pack it with useful stuff. :-) - Josh & Kalie
I know Steve mentioned a visa attorney , and I would like to get a referral for that to talk to someone.
Hi Diana, email Kalie at info@expatseverywhere.com when you get a chance. - Josh
It sure is cloudy and rainy! Is Portugal overcast a lot?
Most of the broll of Guimarães for this video was shot in one day. Portugal is famed for having 300 days of sunshine and while that's more of the coast and south. The winters tend to be wet and overcast, but the rest of the year is either sunny or clear blue skies. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhereI would think the reason the north is lush with vegetation is the rain and humidity in general. Which I guess is good if you want to escape a hot, arid climate like AZ. I'm in Utah, which is also arid and hot, but not as much as AZ. Having lived in the northeast for 40 years before UT, I am not eager to go back to the dreariness of frequent rain, constanlty overcast skies, and humid summers. I'm more of an arid dry person so it works in Utah, though climate change is making it more humid and overcast even here. We currently have a future retirment home on the Oregon coast. Temperatures are perfect (45-65 in winter, 60-80 in summer, but I am worried about the rain. We re now looking desperately into getting out of country because of the aggressive rightward political swing here. We would love Europe but there are increasing rightward swings there, too; perhaps 2-4 years behind the U.S.? (Wilders, Le Pen, Vox, etc.). Predominantly regarding migrants but not just that. Spain just passed a vicious anti-trans law in Madrid; significant anti-migrant/racist. Malta is progressive except anti-abortion (!!!); it's also very small, flat, kinda barren, crowded, overrun with development construction, also increasingly anti-migrant. France and Netherlands are anti-migrant. I get the need to manage the immigration, I do. it's the excessive projection of the causation of all problems onto migrant populations, and the dehumanization and demonization that goes with it. It's clearly a skin-color/culture thing that motivates much of it. It's a major thing here in the U.S. as well and it's one of the things we personally need to escape. That, LGBTQ+ intolerance, anti-social/universal healthcare, and even growing animosity towards women who increasingly (and understandably) won't date and marry conservative men. UK has a brick wall against retiree immigrants. Ireland requires $100K per year income. We'll be around $80 to $90K. We've blocked Eastern Europe because of instability from Russia. Love Crete but there are major issues with old plumbing and the inability to flush used toilet paper in many places (like Mexico) and graffiti. We've looked into Uruguay as the only politically stable S. American country, and it's progressive, but, outside of a few blocks in the city center, Montevideo is completely uninspiring, the ubuquitous graffiti is depressing, the barking dogs everywhere is maddening, many people seem to have little interest in doing a good job, and almost nobody has absoluteyly any interest in dealing with these and more issues is really discouraging. I don't mind a slower pace and more relaxed approach to work but it seems overdone in Uruguay. We seem restricted to Portugal at this point, and Portugal was first on our list. It fell off because of the massive fires (climate change), dropping of favorable tax program for expat retirees (which means we would face 47% tax???!!! That kind of destroys cost of living) for passive income, rapidly rising cost of living (still affordable but for how long?), and 4) housing shortages. And I've read slanted migrant remarks from there as well. But I'm taking another look at Portugal because of all the roadblocks everywhere else. We would be inclined to look south for climate and beaches but it may be too expensive and crowded. Maybe Tavira over near Spain. Less expensive and crowded. But it has a housing shortage as well. Getting out of the U.S. to someplace better is a very tough, perhaps impossible problem to solve. :(
@@ExpatsEverywhere, not really. Only the Algarve is sunny. Portugal is quite a rainy country, famous for being full of melancholic, nostalgic, and sad people. Anyway, they are also kind and adorable so I guess that sort of makes things up
@@robert111k not sure actual annual reports would bare that out considering summer after summer experiences some form of draught and issues with fires due to low rainfall/dryness. Again, winters are wet, spring and fall are mixed but not very rainy with plenty of blue skies and summer is hot and dry.
😂Yes❤ there are a lot of weathy people who choose Portugal to spend the rest of their days. Starting with Caloust Gulbenkian who left his fortune to Portugal, in such way that the govern can't touch it.
It's amazing
Great museum in Lisbon! - Josh & Kalie
Welcome to Guimarães
Thank you. - Josh & Kalie
So the USD2000.00 pm is including rent??? or no?? I'm thinking it doesn't include rent.
It's definitely possible to live here on €2,000 per month per person especially if you're not in a major city. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhereWhat would the montly budget for comfortable liveing in Porto be? And does Porto also have a major housing shortage in the safer, more attractive, walkable neighborhoods?
Yes, that includes rent.
@@izzytoons A vast majority of the neighborhoods in the city center are safe. We have a cost of living video coming out very, very soon and we show you how we spend every euro so you can decide if it's a comfortable lifestyle or you want more. You know? Depending on a couple's situation, €3,000 should be okay. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Ok. Here's the thing. We would be coming as retirees. 3,000 euros would be quite comfortable for us. However, as I understand it, the old tax program is gone. Now it scales all the way up to 47%, right? That's a dealbreaker.
CHEF SCUBES! ❤
As in Brazil, they communicate very well by Whatsap 😂 and for sure, unlike in the US, they can speak English, French, etc... boas!
actually its more the Latin Americas who suck with other languages. Just like in Europe countries like France, Spain, Italy (Russia/Turkey even worse) suck. I would even call Romance language speaker especially backward (like all were in the 20. century) if not Portugal and Romania demonstrated much better English skills (see: EFI English Proficiency Index) - together with most former Eastern (politically) countries and countries like Greece. Its obvious that smaller countries are more flexible, especially in an environment which requires that more often. Apart from that, for most people it is pointless to learn languages for the sake of learning languages if it is not a hobby, job or of a more concrete use. Most people are pragmatic and focus on other things/skills.
We did have a 7.3 earthquake in Portugal in 1969, so any house that you see constructed prior to that date will have survived it.
Thanks for sharing. - Josh & Kalie
which doesnt guarantee that they survive it the next time though. Portugal isnt Japan with an extra focus on earth quake construction or everything (and thats kind of ok, because there are not so many) ...
@@publicminx It doesn't guarantee anything, but look at it this way: a 7.3 earthquake in Portugal in 1969 caused 15 deaths, 13 of which were apparently "indirect" (heart attacks, etc). A same intensity earthquake in Turkey/Syria in 2023 caused 100k+ deaths... It gives you some degree of reassurance about the quality of construction here earthquake-wise, doesn't it?
They have been VERY lucky it was not a scam!!!
How did he get past passport control leaving Portugal to UK for visa run ?
Great question... he didn't expand on that. He couldn't have gotten in to the UK without their passports either, my guess would be that they were couriered to Portugal and then they went to the UK their stamps.
Since SEF was so backed up the government passed a law allowing us to stay in Portugal longer than 90 days while we were going through the VISA process
@@scubeskitchen thanks for the replay. And which lawyer did you use/how much ?
Kalie knows a few companies and immigration lawyers that people have recommended over the years, you can email her at info@expatseverywhere.com if you’d like. Prices tend to depend on what all you need but a couple thousand Euros tends to be standard. - Josh
Croatia?
I feel like most Americans will not learn Portuguese. I feel like that's one of the reasons that Americans prefer Portugal. It is a beautiful country, but why would one want to live in a country as an illiterate? I don't really get it. To each his own.
(I know this is anecdotal)The vast majority of foreigners we know are activity learning Portuguese so we're not sure what gives you the impression that "most Americans will not learn Portuguese". Are you American and not learning Portuguese yourself living in Portugal or do you know Americans doing that? - Josh
Respectfully i say you should learn portuguese. Its not easy, especially the pronunciation, but i promise you if you any portuguese person to help you learn any particular pronunciation combination letters, they will help you. For example the ã or ão or um sounds.
Thanks, Carlos. The vast majority of foreigners we know are actively learning Portuguese. - Josh & Kalie
I would definitely apply muself aggressively to learning Portueguese and I believe I would learn to read it quickly, as I have done so with other languages. Speaking is different. I never feel comfortable speaking foreign languages. At this point I don't believe that will change. I've tried really good online courses and moving onto speaking after learning to read a lot of vocabulary and phrases is always where things fall apart and I quit. :(
But how much was the lawyer?
Most lawyers range from €1,000-5,000 depending on several factors. - Josh & Kalie
जय श्री राम 🙏🏻🚩 Love from India 🇮🇳
Thanks for the love. - Josh & Kalie
Man you speak ( um pouco ) cool better than nothing !
What are the names of those inexpensive car rental companies?
Proud to be a Sanatani (Hindu)
🕉️ जय श्री राम 🙏🏻❤️🚩
Imagine that, 'foreigners' not speaking English.
And now that the results of the general election in Portugal has just been published, everything has changed forever.
He is the reason i cant afford rent..
SEF doesn't exist anymore. Now it is a different entity
Yes, the agency is AIMA but at the time he moved it was SEF. - Josh & Kalie
Sef speak English whats sef want do you speak Portugues, this is the difference.
With the premise that Portugal is facing a Demografic, Cultural and Habitational Crisis.
My Question is do you (as expads) plan on part taking and conserving this 1000 year old Portugues Culture?
This Question is not suposed to be Inquisitory but rather out of interest.
Hi, I think the easy and honest answer is that as the culture has been cultivated over 1,000 years and remains strong, it will continue to do so without foreigners conserving it. Sub-cultures may form but the country is between 85% and 90% Portuguese, which if fairly common in Europe, isn't it? - Josh
@ExpatsEverywhere well, it is going to change a lot. Portugal has the worst demographic problem in the EU, which you surely noticed, with young people leaving and old people well leaving too sooner or later.
That means that the Ethnic Portugues % in P. Is going to go down in the next 20-30 years.
But my comment was not aimed at Immigration or politics at all.
But rather to access if you want to integrate at all? Or if your integration is going to stop after learning Portugues?
I can't ask you to stop being American, but I want to ask you to contribute and help us to continue our traditions.
Maybe join a folkloric dance and music club, 😉😉 that would be quit unique amongst all of the Portugal UA-camrs.
@@sapereaudediogenes7282 My point is that I believe it's demeaning to a nation and people to think that they need help to maintain their cultural identity.
If you're asking how we currently integrate into Portuguese society, I can answer that in no vague terms.We have our daughter (4 yo) enrolled in a Portuguese school where she's learning Portuguese customs, traditions, language and norms. Kalie and I are actively learning Portuguese while trying to balance a busy work schedule and raising a kid. We have Portuguese friends. We're very active members in one of the greatest modern traditions in Portuguese society, football. We attend nearly all home matches since we're season ticket holders. Força Porto 5-0! We always greet people in Portuguese first unless we believe they're a foreigner. We research historical and cultural things about Portugal. I'm sure there are other little things we do but by no means does Portuguese society need this from foreigners in my opinion. Portugal is a strong, proud nation despite its economic position. There are other factors that could change Portuguese society but I don't personally believe it's going to be effected by another 5-10% of foreigners shifting the demographics.
Where's the tipping point? I'm not sure but my guess is around 70/30. I'd need to do more research to see what other countries with local to foreign national/foreign born population ratios are like.
Regarding your suggestions, we're just not that into music. We wouldn't do that if we were in the US. We're very into sports hence FCP season tickets.
Have a great week. - Josh
@ExpatsEverywhere thank you for the precise explanation Josh.
I think we got off on the wrong foot here.
I wish you a great week too, by the way i'm an immigrant too.
As a Kid, my Family moved to Germany and over the years i had to learn German and French.
Now im planning to move back in a couple of years.
Which is why im watching your channel.
Sadly, this is not very common. Most portugues just buy a Hollyday house (if they can afford), but they dont want to come back.
@@sapereaudediogenes7282 Hi, I don't feel like we got off on the wrong foot at all. You asked a very honest question and I tried to give as good of an answer as I could.
We have no idea how our little one is going to feel about the US or Portugal as she's being raise overseas herself. Her formative years will likely be exclusively in Portugal but let's see. We know two girls that have been raised in Portugal but feel very American. One wants to go back to the US and the other isn't sure but will likely stay in Europe.
I just recorded a podcast episode with an American of Portuguese decent. He didn't grow up learning Portuguese but had contact with Portuguese culture. He decided to move here and is loving life despite his struggles learning the language. All that to say, from our experience in coming into contact with a lot of people moving to Portugal, there's a flux of former Portuguese or people of Portuguese decent that are actually moving back to the country. It's not yet hit the migration data but it will and it seems to be fairly significant. Will it out weight that of non-natives with no connection to Portugal? That's yet to be seen and might take at least a decade to know.
Thanks for your message. I hope that you have a great week. - Josh
The consolations of 800 years of moorish (islamic) rule.
🤔 Granada is in Spain, not in Portugal.
Todos são bem vindos ao meu país, ricos ou pobres, à procura de uma oportunidade. São todos bem vindos! Tudo isto torna Portugal um país mais rico, mais cosmopolita, mais intercultural.....Os portugueses devem estar preparados para abraçar muitas culturas diversas, mas os estrangeiros também têm de estar abertos a aprender uma cultura diferente, inclusivamente uma língua difícil. Nasci perto de Guimarães, vivo em Leiria e em Lisboa :)
E darem cabo das rendas e dos preços das casas entre outras coisas excelentes 😂
Tudo bem vindo 😂😂
@@paulofilipe5038 essa mania de culpar o imigrante por tudo.....já ouviu falar de especulação? Há milhares de casas vazias no país....
Tem toda a razão nesse aspecto no entanto o imigrante , tanto o rico americano/sueco/etc que faz com o preço das habitações suba e eles sao protegidos porque nem pagam tantos impostos como os portugueses como o o imigrante "pobre" indiano/paquistanês/etc que vem para ca e vivem 10 numa casa o que faz disparar as rendas tem ambos mais peso no preço das casas do que a e especulação e as casas vazias.
@@paulofilipe5038 terá? Repare que mesmo com a imigração, Portugal já teve mais população do que tem agora e as casas eram muito mais baratas. Eu sou do centro esquerda mas acho que no caso português a culpa é dupla: pouca gente quer casas velhas e há efetivamente pouca construção nova e muita especulação. Há milhares de casas velhas e antigas vazias.
Omg. What a mistake. You should have choose Croatia!! Much better vibe, amazing Adriatic sea, everyone speaks English, lifestyle is vibrant and food is delicious!
What makes you say Croatia is better than Portugal in those aspects?!!!
We'll see if he stays in Portugal is he ever has to earn Portuguese wages! LOL