Chess grandmasters as recently as 5 years ago: You have to play the Ruy Lopez a decent percentage of the time because it's the only playable opening with multiple provable avenues to an advantage Chess grandmasters now: You can't really play the Ruy Lopez anymore because it's been analyzed to death and you're just gonna end up with a slight advantage that can easily be recovered to a dead draw
@@codetaku The Berlin, like the Marshall before it, took a lot of the fun out of the Ruy Lopez.. aka “the Spanish torture”.. but avoiding the Berlin has given new life to d3 and slower ways of handling the position which can open up at any moment should White push d3-d4. So hardly dead, but yes of course analyzed very deep. Even in Fischer’s time variations were analyzed 40-50 moves out well into the endgame. That’s chess!
@@David-vk5svThe pro's could make it more interesting by simply not going straight into drawing lines and hoping for the opponent to make the slightest of inaccuracies to get an advantage, the games where one player HAS to win are usually all pretty good.
@@jackiemoon1556youre underestimating how hard that is. in the first, like, ten moves of the game, if youve invented an entirely new line, and you aren’t a super-GM, its probably losing
As a noob, it can be exciting to use a new opening and to "find" tactics and moves that might be pre-recorded into a GM's mind. Im assuming the game loses more and more of its magic as you get to the point where memorization and preparation are the two most important aspects of the game.
If only there was a genius chess master who was so ahead of his time he foresaw this problem and made a version with randomized starting positions so there were no book moves ;) RIP Bobby
Fischer Random should really be the standard. I know it isn't perfect, but it shows who is truly best at simply playing chess rather than memorizing lines
I personally like the format, but since this takes away a lot of the memorisation part of the game, meaning preparation becomes nullified, making the game less skill based overall.
@@zulqarnain9955 The thing is, you remove a big part of the game, which also removes depth, because the rest stays the same. Like yeah, the game is now more about tactics and calculations RELATIVELY, but not ABSOLUTELY, since you didn't introduce new mechanics.
This is why Fischer came up with Fischer random. He loved the game of chess, not memorizing opening lines. I want to see a new version of chess where there is a random starting position but one that is evaluated as equal by best engine. Taking Fischer Random to next level. It’s also not obvious to me that all 960 possible starting positions in Fischer Random give a fair game between white and black.
Well we had some game between leela and Sf in 960 positions. They are not always fair games indeed. Led to really, really stupid things in the openings sometimes that only engines could ever hope to understand.
Its impressive that they are great at chess. I'm more impressed by their ability to memorise so many sequences and with their names. And being able to memorise the sequence of both players moves when watching a game or during their own game. That baffles me.
Play enough chess and you can do it too, obviously just not to the same extent. It's just repetition and study. Think of how many times they've seen the same positions, they've played millions of games since they were small children. I've only been playing casually a few years with huge breaks where I don't play at all in that timeframe too and I have a few openings and a lot of their main lines memorized.
They can also edit the map and add terrain, this is what starcraft BW primarily does since the units are no longer being updated. But of course, people don't like change and will cling to old chess because we've "always done it this way"
The other thing is that in home analysis, the best move is often not the best move. Stockfish's #1 recommendation is sometimes so strategically obscure that you're better off *not* playing it, unless you want to memorize the entire subsequent tree of variations 12 moves deep. The gap between engines and humans has grown so large, with no signs of stopping, that we're slowly drifting back into a pre-computer era. Magnus Carlsen knows this -- his "analyzed to death" observation was first voiced by Capablanca, 100 years ago.
This is the advancement of chess knowledge & theory. When people trot out old forgotten lines with new approaches it’s good for chess, but of course Magnus’ point is that it’s hard work to find new approaches, that although not best by computer eval are still playable & sufficiently tricky that one’s opponent even tho an elite titled chess pro might get tripped up. EVERY generation has had similar complaints & each new generation must work harder to find playable novelties. That’s chess!
@@YtubeUserr One day in the future undoubtably but with aid of computers new avenues are being found, so seems defeatist to give up just yet until game - as is - is truly exhausted. I see nothing wrong with chess pros having to work hard.
Baduk/Go does not have this problem because the scoring makes finer distinctions. If you could make a match play variant of chess where advantages accumulated across games then a lot of weak lines that guarantee a draw would disappear from high level play.
Im sorry, but this does not make sense at all. How would you score it? The engine's highest score for the winning side? Plus in games all the time the engine will say something like +50 because the position is so winning but it just cant calculate a mate at that depth
It’s probably more a problem of perfect play is always a draw as the theory goes like checkers. Go has the built-in .5 point difference so a tie is impossible.
Even in GO it is going in this direction. Shin Jinseo (best go player as of now) said in an interview two weeks ago that the pros nowadays are training so much with AI that it is nearly impossible to get an advantage in the first 50 moves. Almost all the moves are perfect in the opening. But in GO of course there can be 250+ moves. So still it gets interesting in the middle- and endgame.
Chess is boring exactly because the opening is all memorization. Fischer Random/960 variants is the way to go. Let's make chess a real game again. With today's technology we could even have the opening set up by the engine so the position is even with white to play, so we don't have a first mover advantage.
There was a tournament recently with a variation which is almost that, but the position was part of history rather than randomly generated. Casablanca I think it was called.
@@RobMedellin That's also cool, and why not? However, that one will favor those who studied those classical games of course. In any case it's nice to see some creative push forward ✌
@@Mamarozan That would be a similar problem, not the same problem. It is precisely the amount memorization in chess that is the problem. Not that there is memorization at all. As you have already said, it would be humanly impossible to prep for 960+ opening positions at anywhere near the depth they prepare now.
@@KaninTuzi Whether it's 6 or 16 moves is still the same problem 😆 You can say the same problem to a lesser degree but also even in classical it's impossible memorize all the computer moves so how is it not THE EXACT SAME
This is mostly a criticism of the broader chess community, not of Magnus himself, but it's remarkable to what extent the average person AND credible figureheads like Magnus can openly admit the faults of standard chess (or lore accurately, the ridiculousness of using chess theory to be competitive), all the while most people still thinking Chess960 (or Fischer Random) isn't all that justified.
It has been tried but not all equalish positions have the seme degree of difficulty for both black and white (computers play 2 games at the same time to resolve problems of this kind), also there are not that much positions that are taken by other games that are very diverse from normal play and not to far in the game itself Most likely the best solutions are Fischer960 or rapid/blitz games
the funny thing is recently I somehow watch a lot of starcraft 1 content, another old game which hasn't been updated for years (well not to be compare with chess) and somehow this talk sound really familiar over there. Like players still find ways and new idea on a game that has been played forever, and another similar point that is I have no idea what the pro are saying. When they talk about moving this 1 piece of chess is brilliant it's like when the starcraft guy build 1 building slightly faster, I can't comprehend.
He made himself into a villain for his public anti-Semitic remarks... I'm not saying he was an anti-Semite- he was half Jewish- but he was a raving lunatic by that point- like Kenye- and would say any asinine thought that came into his mentally ill head... This in turn made him unpopular- like it would anyone, right or wrong...
Fisher random is mentioned but i think they should do a more rigid version, they should host a tournament where something as simple as the queen or king being swapped, the kings already being castled, the knights/bishops or rooks being swapped and they keep that same position throughout the tournament and let the GMs prepare and come up with new ideas
The benefit is that you have at least a few lines to choose from in the main lines so you can get a relatively new game after 8-10 moves a majority of the time. You don't have to play the most heavily played move each time
Here’s the thing: no human can remember all of the opening lines at the same time. Caruana has said that he can really only remember the variations he looked at in the last month. This means that there will always be room for surprises - it’s all about catching your opponent off guard with something they don’t expect. It could even be a line that has been played 200 years ago - the only thing that matters is that you feel comfortable playing it and your opponent doesn’t expect it. Everything is playable now. Infinite mind games
@@Tx66: Caruana remembers far more lines than just "what he looked at last month", and Carlsen remembers even more. There's extremely limited room for surprises, which is exactly what Carlsen is lamenting here, and which is what Fischer also ended up hating about the game and why he made Fischer Random (960).
@@supercalafra This much I know. Try king with 9 pawns on one side and king with queen the other side. Arrange 9 pawns in such a way in the king's own territory to force a draw then Queen=9 Pawns stands proved.
If we can arrange 9 pawns in such a way that the opposite king entry is not possible and also the queen is not able to capture any the base of the chain defended by the king the game is definitely a draw.
The more they use computers the more they have to dive into the 10th or even 20th best line because most gm’s memorized the best lines in most openings Chess is more of a memorization game for the top elites
It would be cool if they had tournaments where certain openings are banned. Players would have to innovate, and games would be more dynamic. Of course, this should not affect their rating
Best lines found by computers are so deep, have so many moves, that it's hard for humans memorize them up to the end, up to draw or equality. So, players try to find novelties, expecting to find a rapid win...
This was brought up repeatedly by Bobby Fischer decades ago. A visionary.....a genius......and they pretend this is something new. Chess loses its creativity and gets boring when its analyzed and the top players are essentially the top memorizers. He should switch to Chess960 so that he can enjoy a creative game again.
sounds similar to noob strength in some video games, where your used to playing against the smarter opponents, and something that shouldnt have gotten you gets you just bc you weren't expecting it. easy to adjust but when your in doubt you kinda revert to your muscle memory and like pre-game sense
This problem made me quit chess when I was 12 and approaching 2000 rating. Studying chess is boring and sucks the fun out of it. Now, with computers? A nightmare.
Nah no Chess player today would ever have the balls Fischer had, heck even most grand masters today trash the dude and underate him because well he was "crazy" and said " mean things" and was"anti semiticccccc" and etc.
@@v4v819 I'm talking about Engines, not websites, nor internet, nor computers. Just Chess Engines, the ones that tells you what's good what's not and the many lines.
@@chessitochesstuber Nothing new... First chess engine goes back to 1770 "The Turk" and modern chess engines on computers go back to the 50's and were available in colleges in the 60's... By the 70's you could get them via chess games on your Atari or Mag... Nothing new under the sun... But it's just a tool, another thing to make you a better player and bring everyone up to par... The greats will just be greater and the average will reach new standards... How can that ever be bad for any game?
@@v4v819 First, I can't believe you compare "The Turk" with a modern chess engine. Dude, the automaton was actually a human...the chess back in 60's and on were not engines, they were just an opponent played by the computer intelligence(wich was not nearly as good as a current chess engines). Besides, they were not popular nor affordable for everyone(US is not Earth, you know). 3rd world countries didn't even got those back in those times. Currently, as AI progress speed is now, chess will be solved and therefore. destroyed. Mark my words. But of course, system's got you so brain washed you won't even see it coming. Peace.
@@chessitochesstuber they just provided a more advanced tool to study chess lines, and now more people have far deeper and more extensive chess knowledge than ever. It's up to chess institutions to adapt to these new circumstances. Engines didn't "destroy" anything. They are not sapient nor make any decisions. They're just a tool for studying chess.
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This is a problem for grandmasters, not for casuals like us.
Pffft, speak for yourself. I don't play the best lines either.
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@@revelarikinda a weak joke if you asked me 👍
@@playboyv12kind of an obvious one too😂
I'm just like Magnus Carlsen, I don't play the best lines either
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He's literally me.
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"Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game." - Sid Meier
That's just the civilization we live in.
@@HotobuI see what you did thwre
thats why bobby invented fisher random
@@WhatAMagician and AI will beat that within the next 10 years and then human players will learn it and we end up in the same place.
@@bipolarminddroppings you have no idea what ur talking about lol.
Chess grandmasters as recently as 5 years ago: You have to play the Ruy Lopez a decent percentage of the time because it's the only playable opening with multiple provable avenues to an advantage
Chess grandmasters now: You can't really play the Ruy Lopez anymore because it's been analyzed to death and you're just gonna end up with a slight advantage that can easily be recovered to a dead draw
Yeah, more and more lines are being analysed as we talk (particularly Ruy Lopez because it's complex).
It's fascinating.
@@codetaku The Berlin, like the Marshall before it, took a lot of the fun out of the Ruy Lopez.. aka “the Spanish torture”.. but avoiding the Berlin has given new life to d3 and slower ways of handling the position which can open up at any moment should White push d3-d4. So hardly dead, but yes of course analyzed very deep. Even in Fischer’s time variations were analyzed 40-50 moves out well into the endgame. That’s chess!
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I'm Ray Lopez and I disagree.
@@Weifuknigt that joke just makes people like you look stupid.
thats y i play gambiting every piece and giving happiness of winning to my opponent always.
❤brutal king sacrificer
Bro elo is -3200
Hahahahaha amazing comment
And they say altruism is a myth lol
Great comment
Magnus sounds like an addict having to go to back alley in Russia to get a good game going..."You got that D3 line?"
"I personally like D4 lines. They hit hard really quickly."
"although i'd accept any d1 line if you're crazy enough"
Explore those H4 lines
I suppose this was why Bobby Fischer invented the Fischer random; so that people on this level can still enjoy a game.
Bobby Fischer criticized modern chess as an exercise in memorizing moves from previous games.
@@richardkalmwater5996 entirely correct. I hope the pros will pick up fischer random, it would make things a lot more interesting to watch
@@David-vk5svThe pro's could make it more interesting by simply not going straight into drawing lines and hoping for the opponent to make the slightest of inaccuracies to get an advantage, the games where one player HAS to win are usually all pretty good.
@@jackiemoon1556youre underestimating how hard that is. in the first, like, ten moves of the game, if youve invented an entirely new line, and you aren’t a super-GM, its probably losing
@@richardkalmwater5996 and he was right
Benefits of not knowing too much we can play anything anytime 😂😂😂😊
Definitely. All I know is the ware opening and the first few moves of the kings Indian - I always get a game 😂
The worst players have definitely already played all these before the pros. We just don’t know or remember doing it 🤣🤣🤣
Magnus is so good at chess that he's bored with it.
Don't you mean 'board'?
It's just like tic tac toe, it gets boring if both players know how to play it optimally
@@AshishParekh-es1nd complex tic tac toe😂😂
@@AshishParekh-es1ndyeah now that’s more my speed
As a noob, it can be exciting to use a new opening and to "find" tactics and moves that might be pre-recorded into a GM's mind. Im assuming the game loses more and more of its magic as you get to the point where memorization and preparation are the two most important aspects of the game.
If only there was a genius chess master who was so ahead of his time he foresaw this problem and made a version with randomized starting positions so there were no book moves ;) RIP Bobby
Bobby was and still the GOAT of Chess. No-one comes close. Bobby solved Chess long long ago
Greatest there will ever be. Bobby Fischer.
Bobby got it.
If chess960 was played as hard as normal chess, there would definitely be book moves
@@Lars-ce4rd I don’t think you understand what you’re saying and how many permutations would exist. Ask chat gpt about the explosion of complexity.
Fischer Random should really be the standard. I know it isn't perfect, but it shows who is truly best at simply playing chess rather than memorizing lines
I think the best thing would be to simply change the starting position for the next 50 years, and choose another fun, balanced position instead.
It hurts my eyes when I see that the starting position is Fischer random. I never would play it.
totally agree. No one is going to prepare for 960 starting positions. Chess will become fun to play and to watch as well.
it is shit
Naw bro it just adds more lines to memorize
Top players can't play main lines because it's a bad idea. I can't play main lines because I have no idea
Fortunately you don't need to worry about that until you reach a very high level
this is only a problem for the super GMs who have literally every line and response memorized. Which is like a handful of people in the entire world.
Fisher invented the chess960, exactly for that reason!!!
He was 100y ahead ..
I personally like the format, but since this takes away a lot of the memorisation part of the game, meaning preparation becomes nullified, making the game less skill based overall.
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@@NoNamer123456789I would argue it makes the game MORE skill based to a great extent
@@zulqarnain9955 The thing is, you remove a big part of the game, which also removes depth, because the rest stays the same. Like yeah, the game is now more about tactics and calculations RELATIVELY, but not ABSOLUTELY, since you didn't introduce new mechanics.
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More skill-based, less memory-based.
This is why Fischer came up with Fischer random. He loved the game of chess, not memorizing opening lines. I want to see a new version of chess where there is a random starting position but one that is evaluated as equal by best engine. Taking Fischer Random to next level. It’s also not obvious to me that all 960 possible starting positions in Fischer Random give a fair game between white and black.
Well we had some game between leela and Sf in 960 positions. They are not always fair games indeed. Led to really, really stupid things in the openings sometimes that only engines could ever hope to understand.
Its impressive that they are great at chess. I'm more impressed by their ability to memorise so many sequences and with their names. And being able to memorise the sequence of both players moves when watching a game or during their own game. That baffles me.
Play enough chess and you can do it too, obviously just not to the same extent. It's just repetition and study. Think of how many times they've seen the same positions, they've played millions of games since they were small children.
I've only been playing casually a few years with huge breaks where I don't play at all in that timeframe too and I have a few openings and a lot of their main lines memorized.
It'd be interesting to see some opening bans, Just like LOL or esports
very intriguing idea. Or a tournament with gambits only type shit
They can also edit the map and add terrain, this is what starcraft BW primarily does since the units are no longer being updated. But of course, people don't like change and will cling to old chess because we've "always done it this way"
@@lilarrin1220 it's about time we had chess 2.0
The computational complexity difference between Tic-tac-toe to Chess is probably in the same order of magnitude from Chess to LoL
@@AA-pu8zf damn well said
The other thing is that in home analysis, the best move is often not the best move. Stockfish's #1 recommendation is sometimes so strategically obscure that you're better off *not* playing it, unless you want to memorize the entire subsequent tree of variations 12 moves deep.
The gap between engines and humans has grown so large, with no signs of stopping, that we're slowly drifting back into a pre-computer era. Magnus Carlsen knows this -- his "analyzed to death" observation was first voiced by Capablanca, 100 years ago.
Always amasing to see those surprised faces when i unpack sacrifices where my opponents cannot calculate my hidden deeper plan!
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This is the advancement of chess knowledge & theory. When people trot out old forgotten lines with new approaches it’s good for chess, but of course Magnus’ point is that it’s hard work to find new approaches, that although not best by computer eval are still playable & sufficiently tricky that one’s opponent even tho an elite titled chess pro might get tripped up. EVERY generation has had similar complaints & each new generation must work harder to find playable novelties. That’s chess!
Not in Chess960, though.
we need to replace regular chess with 960. This is the only way forward.
@@YtubeUserr One day in the future undoubtably but with aid of computers new avenues are being found, so seems defeatist to give up just yet until game - as is - is truly exhausted. I see nothing wrong with chess pros having to work hard.
I play King's Gambit just to keep things fresh
As a grandmaster our brother Bobby said: Can we change the rules?? I'm bored!
it's so funny that this matter so much and Magnus, the Goat, wins mainly in the endgame - squeezing blood from a stone
They're talking about the top players in the world. If you're not in the top 100 you can play mainline theory if you want.
Fischerandom is waving😅
Baduk/Go does not have this problem because the scoring makes finer distinctions. If you could make a match play variant of chess where advantages accumulated across games then a lot of weak lines that guarantee a draw would disappear from high level play.
Im sorry, but this does not make sense at all. How would you score it? The engine's highest score for the winning side? Plus in games all the time the engine will say something like +50 because the position is so winning but it just cant calculate a mate at that depth
It’s probably more a problem of perfect play is always a draw as the theory goes like checkers. Go has the built-in .5 point difference so a tie is impossible.
Even in GO it is going in this direction. Shin Jinseo (best go player as of now) said in an interview two weeks ago that the pros nowadays are training so much with AI that it is nearly impossible to get an advantage in the first 50 moves. Almost all the moves are perfect in the opening. But in GO of course there can be 250+ moves. So still it gets interesting in the middle- and endgame.
Evolving to the point of devolving
Overrefinement
Magnus’ hair is GM status.
that's why I left Chess for C.O.D, the analysis is paralyzing
So Magnus comes to the same result as Bobby Fischer did: The best chess is chess 960...skip the Theory
Chess is boring exactly because the opening is all memorization. Fischer Random/960 variants is the way to go. Let's make chess a real game again. With today's technology we could even have the opening set up by the engine so the position is even with white to play, so we don't have a first mover advantage.
There was a tournament recently with a variation which is almost that, but the position was part of history rather than randomly generated. Casablanca I think it was called.
@@RobMedellin That's also cool, and why not? However, that one will favor those who studied those classical games of course. In any case it's nice to see some creative push forward ✌
Of course you would never be able to study as in depth as you would by classical but Fisher Random will suffer the same problem eventually.
@@Mamarozan That would be a similar problem, not the same problem. It is precisely the amount memorization in chess that is the problem. Not that there is memorization at all. As you have already said, it would be humanly impossible to prep for 960+ opening positions at anywhere near the depth they prepare now.
@@KaninTuzi Whether it's 6 or 16 moves is still the same problem 😆 You can say the same problem to a lesser degree but also even in classical it's impossible memorize all the computer moves so how is it not THE EXACT SAME
Magnus is such an interesting person. I love to hear his opinions on things
This is mostly a criticism of the broader chess community, not of Magnus himself, but it's remarkable to what extent the average person AND credible figureheads like Magnus can openly admit the faults of standard chess (or lore accurately, the ridiculousness of using chess theory to be competitive), all the while most people still thinking Chess960 (or Fischer Random) isn't all that justified.
For the first time in my life, I relate to what Cagnus Marlsen said lol
Play chess like Devil May Cry : it's not about beating the opponent, it's about having style.
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Matches between chess engines usually start from a predetermined opening where one side has an advantage. You could try the same with humans
It has been tried but not all equalish positions have the seme degree of difficulty for both black and white (computers play 2 games at the same time to resolve problems of this kind), also there are not that much positions that are taken by other games that are very diverse from normal play and not to far in the game itself
Most likely the best solutions are Fischer960 or rapid/blitz games
I too have extreme difficulty playing the best lines 😂😂
Sounds like a BR
"You can't play the best lines anymore, only against GMs" -Stockfish
As a 1500 player, ive learned to not study too much chess theory.
It just makes the game more fun if you don't know all the variations by heart.
the funny thing is recently I somehow watch a lot of starcraft 1 content, another old game which hasn't been updated for years (well not to be compare with chess) and somehow this talk sound really familiar over there. Like players still find ways and new idea on a game that has been played forever, and another similar point that is I have no idea what the pro are saying. When they talk about moving this 1 piece of chess is brilliant it's like when the starcraft guy build 1 building slightly faster, I can't comprehend.
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at a certain skill level chess becomes a completely different type of game
Queen’s Gambit Decline: 🗿
All other openings: 👨🦯
Fisher said it long time ago. They made him into a villain because of it.
He wasn’t a villain bcoz of that. It was for completely different reasons and rightfully so.
@@vaibhavvb9898 Oh stop it!
He made himself into a villain for his public anti-Semitic remarks... I'm not saying he was an anti-Semite- he was half Jewish- but he was a raving lunatic by that point- like Kenye- and would say any asinine thought that came into his mentally ill head... This in turn made him unpopular- like it would anyone, right or wrong...
*might* also be because of its rampant antisemitism
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If morrissey and val kilmer had a baby
Fisher random is mentioned but i think they should do a more rigid version, they should host a tournament where something as simple as the queen or king being swapped, the kings already being castled, the knights/bishops or rooks being swapped and they keep that same position throughout the tournament and let the GMs prepare and come up with new ideas
The benefit is that you have at least a few lines to choose from in the main lines so you can get a relatively new game after 8-10 moves a majority of the time. You don't have to play the most heavily played move each time
Basically every game I play in 700 elo is a fresh, eye opening symphony...
Here’s the thing: no human can remember all of the opening lines at the same time. Caruana has said that he can really only remember the variations he looked at in the last month. This means that there will always be room for surprises - it’s all about catching your opponent off guard with something they don’t expect. It could even be a line that has been played 200 years ago - the only thing that matters is that you feel comfortable playing it and your opponent doesn’t expect it. Everything is playable now. Infinite mind games
You have no idea about chess and have totally misinterpreted Caruana.
@@outisnemo8443 thanks, care to elaborate?
I mean they can only remember them off the top of their head, but the moment you see a variation played you can remember it
@@Tx66:
Caruana remembers far more lines than just "what he looked at last month", and Carlsen remembers even more. There's extremely limited room for surprises, which is exactly what Carlsen is lamenting here, and which is what Fischer also ended up hating about the game and why he made Fischer Random (960).
Or you could play Chess960 and win with skill rather than degree of memorization.
Well proving queen worth 9 pawns my Einstein level problem .
Thanking you all.
It moves like a pawn, rook and a bishop, hence 1+ 5 + 3 = 9.
@@supercalafra This much I know.
Try king with 9 pawns on one side and king with queen the other side.
Arrange 9 pawns in such a way in the king's own territory to force a draw then Queen=9 Pawns stands proved.
If we can arrange 9 pawns in such a way that the opposite king entry is not possible and also the queen is not able to capture any the base of the chain defended by the king the game is definitely a draw.
Reminiscent of how Bobby Fischer drifted away from the chess scene.
The more they use computers the more they have to dive into the 10th or even 20th best line because most gm’s memorized the best lines in most openings Chess is more of a memorization game for the top elites
They play so much that they've already played all the possibilities
the sickfish gambit is the way to go
I love the Italian. It's good it's still being played at the top levels.
Everyone is playing a1 now
It would be cool if they had tournaments where certain openings are banned. Players would have to innovate, and games would be more dynamic.
Of course, this should not affect their rating
Out of boredom becomes innovation!
what exactly is his point?
I don't know if it's the lighting, his complexion or his movements, but Magnus here looks like a really convincing AI replica done of him.
Classical 960 is the future if anything can carry into the future
Magnus forgot about the Cow.
This makes me think of death metal/ death core and how beautifully unhinged some of it can be melodically.
Whenever I try to play my best lines I get a restraining order
THATS RAPE DUDE
Best lines found by computers are so deep, have so many moves, that it's hard for humans memorize them up to the end, up to draw or equality. So, players try to find novelties, expecting to find a rapid win...
This was brought up repeatedly by Bobby Fischer decades ago. A visionary.....a genius......and they pretend this is something new.
Chess loses its creativity and gets boring when its analyzed and the top players are essentially the top memorizers.
He should switch to Chess960 so that he can enjoy a creative game again.
Magnus-try The Cow! 💪💪💪💪👏
Just farted a huuuuge fart!
sounds similar to noob strength in some video games, where your used to playing against the smarter opponents, and something that shouldnt have gotten you gets you just bc you weren't expecting it. easy to adjust but when your in doubt you kinda revert to your muscle memory and like pre-game sense
Chess becoming checkers.
Gradually widening beam search. We'll get there eventually
This problem made me quit chess when I was 12 and approaching 2000 rating. Studying chess is boring and sucks the fun out of it. Now, with computers? A nightmare.
Wrong music on this video. He’s not opening up about his childhood trauma.
This drove Bobby Fischer crazy
not linking music in description, should be illegal
He wants a rival so bad.
Maybe they should add an additional 8 squares to the board. And an extra pawn each
Imagine being this smart…
Yes I can, shut up Magnus.
As an 800 elo. Who didn't learn anything.
I agree with him.😅 I play chess for fun not to study like a bot
the italian game: yeah we've been looking at this for like 7-8 years
Finally, i have something in common with a Grandmaster!
That's interesting what he said it's like he can't believe that there are better moves that out top his overall it he would bring a great game
This is good for the sport.
Magnus, why don't you start playing Go
You mad,noob ??
He’d always lose to the top pros. Just doesn’t translate even if he dedicated his life to it.
Chess is evolving
I feel a bit closer to a grandmaster not playing the best lines ever.
That's why roulette is the best game ever, never gets boring and pays you big time😤😤 always bet on 14 🤑🤑
That's great news for me bc I can never remember openings anyway.
Then it doesn't count for you lmao. Most efficient lines don't matter for normal plebs like us
Even italians...che vuoi Biondino?😂😂🤌🏼
Just because YOU can't play the best lines anymore... doesn't mean no-one can. They are main lines for a reason, Magnus!
You completely missed his point
This is Magnus’ Fischer arc!
Nah no Chess player today would ever have the balls Fischer had, heck even most grand masters today trash the dude and underate him because well he was "crazy" and said " mean things" and was"anti semiticccccc" and etc.
I only snore the best lines
he looks like Val Kilmer😎😎
The game is moving in my direction
Clean your mic bro
replaying this just for the music ha,
oh and the chess stuff is interesting too.
Engines destroyed chess.
It made it accessible for the everyday person and chess popularity blew up and gotten closer to mainstream then it ever had before...
@@v4v819 I'm talking about Engines, not websites, nor internet, nor computers. Just Chess Engines, the ones that tells you what's good what's not and the many lines.
@@chessitochesstuber Nothing new... First chess engine goes back to 1770 "The Turk" and modern chess engines on computers go back to the 50's and were available in colleges in the 60's... By the 70's you could get them via chess games on your Atari or Mag... Nothing new under the sun... But it's just a tool, another thing to make you a better player and bring everyone up to par... The greats will just be greater and the average will reach new standards... How can that ever be bad for any game?
@@v4v819 First, I can't believe you compare "The Turk" with a modern chess engine. Dude, the automaton was actually a human...the chess back in 60's and on were not engines, they were just an opponent played by the computer intelligence(wich was not nearly as good as a current chess engines). Besides, they were not popular nor affordable for everyone(US is not Earth, you know). 3rd world countries didn't even got those back in those times. Currently, as AI progress speed is now, chess will be solved and therefore. destroyed. Mark my words. But of course, system's got you so brain washed you won't even see it coming. Peace.
@@chessitochesstuber they just provided a more advanced tool to study chess lines, and now more people have far deeper and more extensive chess knowledge than ever. It's up to chess institutions to adapt to these new circumstances. Engines didn't "destroy" anything. They are not sapient nor make any decisions. They're just a tool for studying chess.