People keep asking how to do this. So here is your guide: Kill all the duergar near the dig site before you free Nere. 1:43 persuade him to free the gnomes 4:30 pick dialogue option 2 to get the dialogue that let's you persuade him to leave the absolute 5:17 pick any of the skill check options (persuasion, history or detect thoughts) just don't call him stupid lol That's it. You saved the gnomes. And you also saved Nere.
@@humblenugget How is it saving him? Wont the absolute simply turn him into a mind flayer? The only people we can free from the absolute are those we can keep close to us afaik
yeah. I always thought during early access that he would become a companion. he has the tadpole like the rest of them and if we tell him the truth where will he go? wouldn't he also want to find a cure? and we never see him again. (in the other versions it makes sense he dies but if we convince him, he just disappears? odd) the way we meet him is even similar to karlach's recruitment (someone sends us to collect their heads but we can resolve things in a different way)
@@MGamingVideos if you don't convince him to betray the absolute and just take his info and go, he ends up a zombie with Balthazar too. Feels kinda unresolved, maybe more will come later for him.
@@mutilatoralex I know that. but turning into a zombie is pretty damn resolved lol. he is dead in that version. the unresolved version in when he leaves the cult and we never find out what happened.
I guess you need to kill the duegar first. That is not particularly intuitive thing. Especially as you are given explicit quest to kill him by the shroom, which has better rewards.
@@Ariescz Yes, I suppose the reason for killing everyone is that we want to help Barcus. he thanks us for killing the duergar but refuses to leave without the others who are trapped. So we have to blast Nere out, turns out we can persuade him to let the gnomes live so might as well let him live. (But the option to save the gnomes and tell Nere about the absolute also exists if you don't kill the duergar but you side against the mercenary Brithvar who wants to betray Nere.)
Because you have so little time with him to show what kind of character he is under the absolute. Even if you could invite him as a companion they needed to establish him as a evil archytype character in just this scene. Hense they made him kill someone to illicit emotion otherwise he would have no impact. You can then convince him to kill his duergar assistant as well for not trying to help him hard enough. He's this kind of character under the absolute who doesn't value the lives of people around him.
@@astralwyrm3787To be fair, he has already killed two gnomes with his magic while trapped anyway. There is not a single option with Nere that lowers his kill count in Grymforge below 3 and that's just a fact we have to accept. He's not a good person whatsoever, but he's a lawful and reasonable one if given the opportunity.
Considering there is more than a full level of experience difference between doing a good run Vs an evil on, even if you do as much of the good side of it as you can before pushing the evil story forward and thats just by the end of act 2. Act 3 just feels mostly empty for the Durge, a few tidbits here and there and orin and no real evil only quests.
@@algator3514 Or has Magic Initiate. Or has a Warlock dip. Or has a magic item. Or has a named NPC-specific ability like all the Companion characters do. Or he's a reference to the unincluded Aberrant Mind Sorcerer.
@@algator3514 he also has a unique spell that only he knows (nobody else in the game). 'shield of screams' and it looks and sounds awesome. the description for the spell says that he is recalling the voices of those who scorned him. pretty cool idea to give a sorcerer character unique spells which fit their personality because sorcerers didn't learn their spells. so this might be why they also decided to give him dissonant whispers.
The only issue of freeing Nere's mind of the absolute is as soon as he is outside of the astral prisms protection, bros a goner. He dies or is turned back to serve the absolute regardless of what you do. The Nere I saved just ended up disappearing as well, probably dead somewhere in the grymforge after we left. So unless he can follow us and stay at our camp like what you can do with Duke Ravengard, then there is no way to save him currently. His story reminds me a lot of Minthara's though, which is interesting.
I don't understand why we can't tell him to go to camp. He knows he needs the protection, if we pick one of the rude dialogues he even tries to take it from us ( 19:23 in the video) but if we pick the nicer dialogue he just says "leave me be" and disappears ??
@@johnnyairplane2896 yeah that's what happens if he stays with the absolute (also on full release before patch 3 a bug caused that to happen even if he abandoned the absolute)
@@MGamingVideos Agreed! It would make way more sense for him to just hang out at the camp. Why have this option at all if I feel bad for saving him anyhow 😭
Not gonna lie, he seems like a better fit for a “rehabilitated absolutionist” companion than Minthara. Makes more sense in this circumstance for him to align himself with both good and evil characters as opposed to her.
It would be so cool to recruit him as a sorcerer in a neutral/evil run since we cant recruit that class, plus a 'I can fix him' romance would be satisfying, like Minthara
If you don't kill Nere, and there is an expansion with the under dark, I hope you can meet him there and recruit him as a companion. I wanna do an all drow run someday, but I don't want to make custom party members because then I miss the interactions they provide and I think Nere really feels like a unique character
I think everybody wants an underdark expansion. :D unfortunately I doubt Larian will ever make it. best we can hope is that they fix the main ending. even the current companions seem to have unfinished storylines. damn, they rushed this game in the end and it's such a pity. that said, we can always pester them with feedback xD and hope they change their mind. after all the game is very successful, don't they want more money? lol
Rumor has it that they are going to be making a lot of updates later by adding back in various things and patching any issues , they actually listen to players.
@@BarbaraKrolOfficial this doesn't depend on whether or not you accepted the quest from the myconids. you just have to kill the duergar before freeing Nere and you will get the option to persuade him to free the gnomes. To tell him about the absolute, you have to pick the dialogue where you refuse to report to Ketheric. Look in the comment section, others also asked.
Wouldn't his parasite kick back in as soon as he leaves your vicinity? Like others have said, this seems to only make sense if he were to become a companion and stays with you/the artifact.
I agree. I prefer the persuasion and history check dialogue options which just tell him to abandon the absolute and run. "reclaim your faith in Lolth. it's not too late" is hilarious. xD it IS too late imo
This is what an evil companion should look like and sound like. No remorse, no reason, just plain old despicable evil. I would absolutely love having nere as a companion. I mean, imagine an evil playthrough where you have a drow sorcerer and a drow paladin companion (two of the most broken classes in bg3). It really feels like there is something more in stored for him, considering that he has the classic evil personality that will entice those who just want to see the world go burn.
tbf i think the wizard is 3 times the sorcerer in terms of power, like the amount of damage of a wizard its no sense, the sorc is fantastic for multiclassing like sorlock ecc...
@@ocoro174wtf is wrong with y'all? The reason you get less companions for an evil playthrough is because, get this, no one wants to hang out with an asshole.
Ngl this secret interaction is very intriguing as most ppl’s first playthrough will never think of clearing all the durgars in the area given how outnumbered you are and how the dialogues mostly suggest you choose sides after releasing him, but the fact that Nere isn’t available as a companion after going through all that trouble is such a bummer
I've been doing it this way for the past 2 years xD and it's super easy to kill them now compared to early access. But you are right. I probably only thought of this from the start because this was a new area added to the game. so the rest of the game I was already familiar with and I focused more on trying things out in this new location. And yeah, it's a bummer.
I actually got so used to doing this version, when the durgar are still alive, that's a more interesting scene to me. "hmm I forgot this dialogue he has with sergeant Thrinn and Brithvar" lol
@@enchanter7871 what level are you? I suggest using the high ground (where the levers are located that you need to pull to move that platform above the area) if you enter sneak there ... they basically cannot see you or reach you.. especially if you use astarion (and with the rogue bonus action you can go back to hiding after every attack ) If you can't kill all of them before you free Nere, you could betray the mercenaries and side with Nere in the fight, but before the cutscene you should separate Astarion from the party and position him above the enemies (the location I suggested) and he can take them out with sneak attacks.
I mean, it's really not a hard fight... AT ALL! If your build is even somewhat decent, you should be able to clear them no problem. I can wipe them all without even resting. Or maybe I'm just way better at the game than I assume?
I've never seen any of these options before. I feel like every time I've gotten to this point I've told him to stop hurting the gnomes and he just goes straight into combat
or you can also talk to the mercenary duergar and they will want to kill nere. agree to help them. then when you actually free Nere there will be an option to side with Nere against the mercenaries. that way you also get these options to convince him to let the gnomes live etc.
I feel he is a cut companion. Otherwise, this is a huge effort to lose a great bunch of loot, including his amazing teleport boots and the myconid prize for his head...
Would be nice to be able to pick him up as a companion. There are quite a few that you get locked out of by being evil and this could be one that could have some reservations about you being too nice. Karlach and Wyll will leave/attack you if you betray the grove (which you need to do in order to get Minthara), Halsin will become unobtainable and Gale will require a persuasion roll to keep in your party. Granted, you can get around the whole thing by continuity breaking your run but that's a headache to actually do and locks you out of items and rewards. Bottom line is, it feels like the game seems to actively try to punish you for an evil run instead of having it be a different route through the game, and having Nere as a potential devil on your shoulder companion I feel would help remedy that.
If they changed minthara to being available in Act 1 as a companion, then Nere in act 2. Arguably astarion is already evil, it’d be good to have a full party of fledged out evil characters. I wouldn’t mind an expansion where your good companions leave you to stop you. You could choose to beat the dead three to take the power yourself, or to follow them, and either way, you’ve got to stop the plans of the ex-companions from saving the world.
The dumbest thing about an evil playthrough is that to recruit minthara you have to sneak her out of moonrise. so she's an enemy of moonrise, and then you can just team up with jaheira anyway. I think you can still team up with the bad guys after getting minthara, but you lose out on so many quests after killing the tieflings it's not worth it.
The new update means if you knock out Minthara at the goblin camp, she turns up in Moonrise and then you can recruit her after that. And that way you can still save Halsin, and have Karlach and Wyll. And if you want to piss off Mizora there is even a trick to kill Karlach (from distance), tell Wyll, go back and revive Karlach (from a distance), then long rest and Mizora will show up, Wyll won’t get all horned up, and you can get a cool outfit (which FYI is great on Karlach so it’s like a double F U to Mizora)
I'll say it before and I'll say it again. Not being able to recruit Nere was a serious missed opportunity. Especially since you don't even recruit Minthara until you reach moonrise. The trade off between choosing an "evil" campaign over a good one hardly seems fair given the opportunity cost is so great. You lose out on 2 companions, don't get Halsin, many characters die and their quests die along with them, and there's no fill in character for Act 1. Nere could have balanced the scale a bit. A charismatic warlock with an extremely talented VA is a perfect replacement for Wyll. Not to mention Nere seems much more interesting. His legacy even lives on in Act 2 with Balthazar's skull telling him and Minthara not to follow him into Shar's gauntlet and with the note you find on the dead duergar cursing him, lol. Such a shame. Here's to hoping the definitive edition makes him a companion because as of the current case, going the evil route is just so bland and bad that it doesn't even seem like an option.
He is a sorcerer, not a warlock so wouldn't have been a replacement for Wyll. Also despite being an evil aligned character, it seems more like he would have been an alternative for Minthara if you go the good route instead of evil (during early access you had to side with the tieflings and kill minthara in order to get this dialogue option to convince Nere). Wyll is tied in with the main plot in act 3 so it wouldn't be good to make this a choice. plus wyll is an origin companion, they are the 6 main characters. but they should improve wyll's storyline as well because the last minute rewrites caused him to have far less content compared to the other 5. I agree that Minthara only being available if we slaughter the tieflings/grove sucks. I wouldn't even care that it's either Halsin or Minthara recruited. It's good to have tough choices. I just wish it wasn't straight up kill one or the other. I would rather pick minthara but in 90% of my playthroughs I have halsin because indeed the trade off to get minthara is not balanced.
@@MGamingVideos Nere is not a sorc. He uses dissonant whispers. A spell unique to lock and bard unless you choose magic initiate feat which he doesnt have. Also, I think the point of the OP wasn’t meant as Nere being a literal choice of whether to pick between Wyll or Nere. Wyll is already out of the picture in an evil campaign, so the status of his origin character and act 3 involvement is irrelevant. It’s more about filling in his absence with an alternative companion if you go the evil route.
@andrewclarke3592 they gave him a bard and warlock specific spell but he literally used to have "sorcerer" written under his name if you right clicked on him to examine. I am pretty sure he was meant to be a sorcerer.
@@MGamingVideosThat's interesting. I built him as a Wizard because it allows me to use his skills a lot but I'll switch to Sorcerer with a single level in Warlock for Fairy Fire and for the sake of consistency and being accurate to his lore. Though I wonder - should I give him a level in Bard, too? He does have the Spider Lyre and the Dissonant Whispers spell.
@@karisrahl4444 I have no idea. He was added in patch 6 and then in patch 7 they already didn't show us a class for him when we right clicked examine. (but I am like 90% sure he was sorcerer before that) But maybe he was not meant to be a specific class Idk.
Wow, finally somebody who explores all the dialogue options! Had only seen this one with people mentioning they killed Minthara, nice to see its not needed to be able to break free Nere from the absolute.
It's because those videos are from early access. A different dialogue path led to telling him about the mindflayers. (We had to mention killing Minthara but now that dialogue doesn't even exist. Instead we now have to say we refuse to report to ketheric thorm. )
@@johnpsmith8132 hmm. not sure. mentioning that she is dead was only an option if she is dead obv lol and then she can't be present and speaking to him. (plus this is act 1 and minthara can only be recruited in act 2 so I think if you came here only after recruiting her then Nere probably already suffocated? ) edit: I checked and he actually doesn't suffocate if we go to grymforge after we have been to moonrise but there is no dialogue acknowledging that we have been there so it's a bit silly.
I do not have any of these dialog options, you know the deception ones etc... Did they remove them? We can't brainwash Nere anymore? Or is it something I missed?
Nere is so egocentric he looks like a guy who wants to be the main character instead of a follower, that's probably why they didn't make him a companion, it doesn't fit his personality.
What's sad is once he moves far enough away from the player, and the artefact, he'll be influenced by the Absolute once more as you won't be near enough to block our her voice...
I didn’t even know you could do this, I had absolutely no idea this was even a possibility to get him to do this. And like everyone else I’m absolutely shocked he wasn’t an eligible companion character, idk maybe he’s a bit more ruthless than minthara and that’s why he doesn’t come with you. But I just don’t see how that even makes sense because if minthara is willing to join you and your group that is comprised of mostly good people, I don’t see what would stop Nere from joining you. Especially when you would think that he and minthara would both want to either get revenge on the absolute or at the very bare minimum be cured of their tadpoles. And on top of all of that you’d think that if you recruited nere, then recruiting minthara would theoretically be easier to make those checks and get her on your side if she see’s another high ranking member of the cult join you instead of the absolute.
They did nothing with him, it would've been nice for him to maybe pop up time to time. Or have a small questline that'll have him an ally, or another person who writes Tav a letter in the epilogue. Kind of like Araj.
Each new piece of content from this game just blows me away. The ultimate "plinko" drama RPG of the best kind. Every single variation of play is noted, and I've even noticed this thru multiple playthrus where I've gotten certain characters I thought were "mean" the first time around to actually come to on my side...Case in point: Rolan over at Sorcerous Sunderies.
I'm still mourning the fact he was probably cut from the final release as a companion. Something just tells me he was meant to show up in Act 2 back then, which changed at some point. Regardless, I'll continue to use mods to get what Larian took from me.
no need to kill him. before you would leave him, just use an invisibility potion and pickpocket his boots. then fast travel to camp before he would notice it
yeah. the sweat always impresses me because it's not even applied in the entire area of the grymforge. Characters only have sweat on them when they are standing close to the lava. If we walk further away then it disappears. amazing
I never understood why we can free nere but not kar'niss. I mean for nere freeing without companion is a dearhcall for him as ling as he doesn't stay down there in the underdark. Karniss, as a drider, could survive in the shadow curse a little, through the lolthdrow heretige of him
No. I believe that is impossible. She either dies together with Nere and the other gnomes if you don't clear the rubble in time. Or she dies in the cutscene. Her death is scripted.
@@MGamingVideos that makes sense. I’ve tried numerous things like attacking him as soon as I see him or engaging with him, and then having another one of my characters attack him during the communications nothing seems to work, so that makes sense.
@@rumblepuffgaming9415 Yep. Switching to a different character doesn't work because once the cutscene starts he immediately kills her. But I also tried attacking him before the cutscene even starts and her character just turns into thin air the moment I hit Nere with an attack. The journal updates saying "Nere wanted to kill the gnomes. We didn't let him." as if the scene had played. Meerna is not present outside of the cutscene. So yeah, scripted death, she exist only in the cutscene and cannot be saved. The game assumes we saved the rest of the gnomes while killing Nere. So persuading him instead is still the best option.
pretty sure you can hit the attack button as soon as he's free. also you can recruit some of the duergrar to fight against him. (they ask you to kill an eye before hand)
Doesn't really matter what you do, since if you kill him, he's gone, and if you convince him to leave, he will be transformed into a mind flayer, cuz he's not protected. So he's fucked no matter what you do
not necessarily true that without the prism he would transform. True souls have altered tadpoles which only transform on command. Also we can ignore Shadowheart and not recruit her for a long time and the artefact is with her and yet we don't turn into mindflayers. the artefact protects from the absolute's mind control, there is one point where it tries to control us and shadowheart shows up to save the day but that's the only time we need it for protection (If Nere stays away until the end of the game, then he might be fine.)
Having Nere as an evil run option would've been a great addition to the game, even having goblins or hobgoblins as a story companion would've been fun!
I always rage killed Nere for blasting that gnome into the lava and didn't even know he had all these lines! Makes you wonder if Nere was supposed to be a companion alongside Minthara because you literally gain nothing new (except for her) by giving up the Tieflings and Halsin for her haha.
I originally thought he would be a replacement for Minthara. during early access the dialogue to convince Nere was different, we had to say "Minthara is dead" in order to convince Nere to leave the absolute. the option to convince him used to be exclusive to a tiefling supportive playthrough
I know, everything in the Underdark hates each other but..... I just keep getting an idea of united Underdark somehow when I saw this dialogue option. Or at least.... an idea of storming moonrise tower with Duergar, Deep Gnomes and Drow allies.
would have been a cool idea for a quest where we collect allies (groups and not just individuals we helped) who were harmed by the absolute. a lot of drow joined the absolute, they were tadpoled in large numbers so yeah, that could have been cool.
If he can deceive the absolute of his intentions, he might be able to get away, but i doubt he could lie his way through because of literal tadpole in his head. He could be instantly turn into mindflayer with a flick like your game-over scene when you lose the artifact protection.
It's mentioned that true souls have different altered parasites, they were not intended for transformation but to be controlled. ofc they could still turn true souls on command but there is no indication they did that to him. he wouldn't turn automatically like those with regular tadpoles. Also I am not sure how we are meant to interpret the ending where people on the streets start turning and attacking. I assumed that only happens if we waste time after grabbing the third nether stone. when I killed gortash last and I immediately travelled to the pool to go for the brain/end game, I didn't see anyone turning on the streets. so I don't know if that still happens off screen or if actually I prevented that.
It wouldn't shock me. From what I know of lolth-sworn drows, males are raised to be obedient slaves. Maybe someone messed his brain up a bit. Edit: I should clarify that they're raised to be obedient to their female lolth-sworn counterparts, and that's it. And even within drow society males are power-hungry. Drows are very competitive and really only respect their own family and clan. That said, I'd love to see if there's different dialogue options for a female drow PC with him.
I love thos but at the same tile I'm a bit annoyed at how it is somewhat lockrd behind options than in most dialogues mean battle, like the "You can report your own failures" line
yeah. during early access that was not the line we had to pick so when full release came I was also confused and I had to click at everything to even find this option. (at first I thought they removed the possibility for him to leave the cult)
@@MGamingVideos So did I. I thought it was cut altogether because of the whole (it's next to impossible to break free of the Absolute without the Prism). But lo and behold, the Prism is used here.
If you kill Brithvar before you talk to Nere at all, he'll be very much willing to side with you from the start. The only danger he'll pose is if you fail either of the two persuasion checks later, when you're convincing him to leave The Absolute.
WHAAAAAT i always wished you could recruit him!! i had no idea you could enlighten him and set him "free" so to speak!! i want it even more now ;w; i would be so beyond happy if they ever added him in as a companion.. wont he succumb to the absolute without the artifact anyway? :
I wonder if he became a mind flayer after getting so far away from Tav/Durge ... since the prism wasn't protecting him anymore, if the Absolute finds his betrayal, he could be a thrall right there and then
Nere's interaction reminds me of the chick spying on the gith in act 1. there's no dialogue options that change anything and she always ends up as a dead corpse you can talk to in the creche. You don't really learn anything useful from her corpse though, so you're better off just killing her right away for xp and a free potion.
Honestly seeing this video makes me kinda wish Nere was a companion, like being an optional Monk companion that you have to either get past some high DCs to get or to play an evil playthrough. I say monk as we do have a character for almost every class except Monk as a party member. Hell I can definitely see a whole plausible arc that he could have of being on a search of vengance against the Absolute cult and perhaps having his arc being entirely about Faith as a vocal point given Minthara is a flat character who could have had the same but with her it makes a little more sense as she is evil afterall and is more so a catalyst for your TAV's fall.
Because I sided with the duergar against him, I freed everyone from the absolute, and the gnomes from the duergar. I also brought peace to the myconids and earned my staff of frost. This is very interesting though
Still doesn't explain why he's laying dying in this tunnel, while the Duergar know where the right path is, since they tell you if you wanna go into it.
Looking for expansions. Mainly to see more of Minthara, she is such wasted potential. Nere could also be a companion... maybe a bard since they did not give us Alfira.
On the one hand, I love that there is this option. On the other, he was so disrespectful to my female lolth-sworn drow ... it's open season on this boy's behind.
I never thought about killing the gnomes first. I just assumed that Nere will automatically get mad and try to fight you. It’s crazy that there’s so many options in this game that most people miss out on. It’s one of the reasons why I love this game so much.
if you want that dialogue option which persuades him to save the gnomes then yes. (or you can talk to the mercenary duergar who want to turn on nere and promise to help them. but when you free nere, you can instead betray the mercenaries and side with nere. in that version you also get the option to convince him)
I just kill Nere. Act 1 has tons of options. But act 2 on has less and less. Nere is a victim of that. No matter what, he dies to Balthazar off screen and doesn't even show up as a zombie. Just a single mention. Minthara at least kept 1/3rd of her cut content. And most can only be viewed if you get her early by rushing to act 2 then go back to act 1 complete content then go back to act 2 and talk to her. She will have an opinion about companions and events like everyone else even though she is locked to act 2.
If he goes off to notify the Order of Soul Spiders, does that impact anything later in the game? Do they show up as a potential ally for the finale or have any questlines associated that are made easier (or even possible) by his actions? It's easy to just say "as soon as he leaves the artifact's radius of protection he just gets ceremorphized or controlled back" to excuse it if not, but it would be cool if this does actually change anything
I think none of those options where he leaves the absolute have any resolution in the game. I usually pick the persuasion or history check, tell him to abandon the cult and run. Telling him to go back to Lolth seems evil. they would punish him if he went back imo. but I think the game doesn't acknowledge a difference between these two options. When he goes to Moonrise, he is killed by Balthazar. otherwise we are left to assume he lived but we don't know what happened.
@@mel-burnes As far as I know there aren't. I played drow before and I don't remember drow specific dialogue in this scene. (Here my character is half-drow but also nothing unique)
@@mel-burnes I think the "It's not too late to reclaim your faith in Lolth" dialogue becomes marked as a drow specific dialogue if you play drow but the game is just trying to trick us like it's special. lol that dialogue is always there
the abandon the absolute dialogue and convincing him to let the gnomes live? there is one other way to do it. if you talk to the mercenary duergar, they want to kill Nere so tell them you will side with them against nere. then when you actually blow the rocks, betray the mercenaries and side with Nere and you will get the same options to convince him. (I will upload that version later)
I Didnt have any roll options so I had no choice but to fight him idk why but when I faced him he was too strong at the lv I was, proceeded to let him die in there and walked to act II without remorse, and wierdly enough as a lv4 or 5 the shadow land without curse protection was easier than this fight against Nere and a bazzilion gnomes
![Minthara romance (Acts 1-3, tav + dark urge) - Baldur's Gate 3 [Reupload including new interactions]](/img/n.gif)
People keep asking how to do this. So here is your guide:
Kill all the duergar near the dig site before you free Nere.
1:43 persuade him to free the gnomes
4:30 pick dialogue option 2 to get the dialogue that let's you persuade him to leave the absolute
5:17 pick any of the skill check options (persuasion, history or detect thoughts) just don't call him stupid lol
That's it. You saved the gnomes. And you also saved Nere.
Fuck those gnomes, kept attacking me when I tried to free them on my first playthrough
Why do you need nere?
@@tiensimon1263you don’t but a lot of people play a “save literally everyone I can” play through
It's a shame you can't recruit him as a companion. He seems more reasonable when he's alone.
@@humblenugget How is it saving him? Wont the absolute simply turn him into a mind flayer? The only people we can free from the absolute are those we can keep close to us afaik
It really feels like they cut Nere as a potential companion, given you can actually persuade him away from the Absolute
yeah. I always thought during early access that he would become a companion.
he has the tadpole like the rest of them and if we tell him the truth where will he go? wouldn't he also want to find a cure? and we never see him again. (in the other versions it makes sense he dies but if we convince him, he just disappears? odd)
the way we meet him is even similar to karlach's recruitment (someone sends us to collect their heads but we can resolve things in a different way)
@@MGamingVideos if you don't convince him to betray the absolute and just take his info and go, he ends up a zombie with Balthazar too. Feels kinda unresolved, maybe more will come later for him.
@@mutilatoralex I know that. but turning into a zombie is pretty damn resolved lol. he is dead in that version.
the unresolved version in when he leaves the cult and we never find out what happened.
@@MGamingVideos that's what I meant feels unresolved lol
@@mutilatoralex oh right. then I misunderstood.
Whoa I had NO IDEA you could do this! I always just attacked him like a caveman!
now you know :D for next time
I did it for the shroom.
Same lollllllll
I guess you need to kill the duegar first. That is not particularly intuitive thing.
Especially as you are given explicit quest to kill him by the shroom, which has better rewards.
@@Ariescz Yes, I suppose the reason for killing everyone is that we want to help Barcus. he thanks us for killing the duergar but refuses to leave without the others who are trapped. So we have to blast Nere out, turns out we can persuade him to let the gnomes live so might as well let him live.
(But the option to save the gnomes and tell Nere about the absolute also exists if you don't kill the duergar but you side against the mercenary Brithvar who wants to betray Nere.)
I always found it weird that you have to watch that one gnome get fired into lava
Because you have so little time with him to show what kind of character he is under the absolute. Even if you could invite him as a companion they needed to establish him as a evil archytype character in just this scene. Hense they made him kill someone to illicit emotion otherwise he would have no impact. You can then convince him to kill his duergar assistant as well for not trying to help him hard enough. He's this kind of character under the absolute who doesn't value the lives of people around him.
@@astralwyrm3787To be fair, he has already killed two gnomes with his magic while trapped anyway. There is not a single option with Nere that lowers his kill count in Grymforge below 3 and that's just a fact we have to accept. He's not a good person whatsoever, but he's a lawful and reasonable one if given the opportunity.
You can save her if you click the crossed swords button before he does that
Even if you you cheese it and kill Nere before he speaks, it has no effect. The other gnome will still act like his sister is dead.
Gnome punting is an urge few csn control.
I feel like Nere would be a fitting companion to be exclusive with Minthara. We just need more companions when doing an evil playthrough.
I can already hear the banter between those two.
Nere: I DO NOT FAIL
Minthara: Heh heh. That is not. What your mother said. When she bore you.
Evil playthroughs kinda get cucked
@@exit1595 That is a very Minthara thing to say. Poor Nere, born with a penis. Shame on him.
Considering there is more than a full level of experience difference between doing a good run Vs an evil on, even if you do as much of the good side of it as you can before pushing the evil story forward and thats just by the end of act 2. Act 3 just feels mostly empty for the Durge, a few tidbits here and there and orin and no real evil only quests.
@@jeromed.8804 You do get to kill off the last remaining venders to further nerf your run...
Nere not being a companion is such a huge blow for me, i want him so much 😂 sorcerer who refers to himself in third person, cute.
@@algator3514 Or has Magic Initiate. Or has a Warlock dip. Or has a magic item. Or has a named NPC-specific ability like all the Companion characters do. Or he's a reference to the unincluded Aberrant Mind Sorcerer.
@@algator3514 he also has a unique spell that only he knows (nobody else in the game). 'shield of screams' and it looks and sounds awesome. the description for the spell says that he is recalling the voices of those who scorned him. pretty cool idea to give a sorcerer character unique spells which fit their personality because sorcerers didn't learn their spells. so this might be why they also decided to give him dissonant whispers.
@@algator3514 Dissonant whispers is bard only? that's funny because my GOO warlock paladin mix can learn it without feats
Right! We could have him next to Minthara it would be so funny to see them interact as two drows
@@kurtcobane1762 are you the old one warlock? they're the only other with it in their spell list
It would have never occurred to me to take this path. Amazing. Thank you for showing us that this exists.
If you think Shar is evil and cruel, then abandoning Lolth is just instant self destruction of chaotic evil.
Shar looks Lolth and thinks: "I am the reasonable one."
And she is right.
That's actually one of my favorite dialog options if you play a lolthsworn drow and meet Mithara at the goblin camp
The only issue of freeing Nere's mind of the absolute is as soon as he is outside of the astral prisms protection, bros a goner. He dies or is turned back to serve the absolute regardless of what you do. The Nere I saved just ended up disappearing as well, probably dead somewhere in the grymforge after we left. So unless he can follow us and stay at our camp like what you can do with Duke Ravengard, then there is no way to save him currently. His story reminds me a lot of Minthara's though, which is interesting.
I don't understand why we can't tell him to go to camp.
He knows he needs the protection, if we pick one of the rude dialogues he even tries to take it from us ( 19:23 in the video) but if we pick the nicer dialogue he just says "leave me be" and disappears ??
I saved him and sided with him on one of my playthrough and found him in Act 2 as one of Baltazar's zombie lmao
@@johnnyairplane2896 yeah that's what happens if he stays with the absolute
(also on full release before patch 3 a bug caused that to happen even if he abandoned the absolute)
@@MGamingVideos Agreed! It would make way more sense for him to just hang out at the camp. Why have this option at all if I feel bad for saving him anyhow 😭
@@johnnyairplane2896 Oh that's brutal! 😭 I never found him, or I might have overlooked the fact that it was him as a zombie?
Just gonna say it wish this guy as a romance option for evil playthroughs
Not gonna lie, he seems like a better fit for a “rehabilitated absolutionist” companion than Minthara. Makes more sense in this circumstance for him to align himself with both good and evil characters as opposed to her.
Not really when her goal is to end the Absolute and that's the goal of any playthrough, good or bad. Imo they both fit
@@zelohendricks51 No, her goal is to become the Absolute, pretty huge difference.
It would be so cool to recruit him as a sorcerer in a neutral/evil run since we cant recruit that class, plus a 'I can fix him' romance would be satisfying, like Minthara
If you don't kill Nere, and there is an expansion with the under dark, I hope you can meet him there and recruit him as a companion. I wanna do an all drow run someday, but I don't want to make custom party members because then I miss the interactions they provide and I think Nere really feels like a unique character
I think everybody wants an underdark expansion. :D unfortunately I doubt Larian will ever make it.
best we can hope is that they fix the main ending. even the current companions seem to have unfinished storylines. damn, they rushed this game in the end and it's such a pity.
that said, we can always pester them with feedback xD and hope they change their mind. after all the game is very successful, don't they want more money? lol
Rumor has it that they are going to be making a lot of updates later by adding back in various things and patching any issues , they actually listen to players.
@@BarbaraKrolOfficial no
@@BarbaraKrolOfficial No. not at all. This is a good playthrough.
@@BarbaraKrolOfficial this doesn't depend on whether or not you accepted the quest from the myconids.
you just have to kill the duergar before freeing Nere and you will get the option to persuade him to free the gnomes.
To tell him about the absolute, you have to pick the dialogue where you refuse to report to Ketheric. Look in the comment section, others also asked.
Wouldn't his parasite kick back in as soon as he leaves your vicinity? Like others have said, this seems to only make sense if he were to become a companion and stays with you/the artifact.
Its a missed opportunity for him to not show up in the third act to be one of your allies.
Nere is so very dead if he goes back to Lolth. Or Drider material. I don't see her being particularly forgiving...
I agree. I prefer the persuasion and history check dialogue options which just tell him to abandon the absolute and run. "reclaim your faith in Lolth. it's not too late" is hilarious. xD it IS too late imo
This is what an evil companion should look like and sound like. No remorse, no reason, just plain old despicable evil. I would absolutely love having nere as a companion. I mean, imagine an evil playthrough where you have a drow sorcerer and a drow paladin companion (two of the most broken classes in bg3). It really feels like there is something more in stored for him, considering that he has the classic evil personality that will entice those who just want to see the world go burn.
tbf i think the wizard is 3 times the sorcerer in terms of power, like the amount of damage of a wizard its no sense, the sorc is fantastic for multiclassing like sorlock ecc...
yes but also Kagha 🥺👉👈
I can fix him😏
@@ocoro174wtf is wrong with y'all? The reason you get less companions for an evil playthrough is because, get this, no one wants to hang out with an asshole.
Ngl this secret interaction is very intriguing as most ppl’s first playthrough will never think of clearing all the durgars in the area given how outnumbered you are and how the dialogues mostly suggest you choose sides after releasing him, but the fact that Nere isn’t available as a companion after going through all that trouble is such a bummer
I've been doing it this way for the past 2 years xD and it's super easy to kill them now compared to early access. But you are right. I probably only thought of this from the start because this was a new area added to the game. so the rest of the game I was already familiar with and I focused more on trying things out in this new location. And yeah, it's a bummer.
I actually got so used to doing this version, when the durgar are still alive, that's a more interesting scene to me. "hmm I forgot this dialogue he has with sergeant Thrinn and Brithvar" lol
i can’t kill them even w nere😭 i rrly want to have nere on my side but he’s so difficult and it’s just a forced battle which i can’t win
@@enchanter7871 what level are you? I suggest using the high ground (where the levers are located that you need to pull to move that platform above the area) if you enter sneak there ... they basically cannot see you or reach you.. especially if you use astarion (and with the rogue bonus action you can go back to hiding after every attack )
If you can't kill all of them before you free Nere, you could betray the mercenaries and side with Nere in the fight, but before the cutscene you should separate Astarion from the party and position him above the enemies (the location I suggested) and he can take them out with sneak attacks.
I mean, it's really not a hard fight... AT ALL! If your build is even somewhat decent, you should be able to clear them no problem. I can wipe them all without even resting. Or maybe I'm just way better at the game than I assume?
I've never seen any of these options before. I feel like every time I've gotten to this point I've told him to stop hurting the gnomes and he just goes straight into combat
Kill the duergar before freeing him
yep. kill all the duergar near the gnomes before freeing him.
or you can also talk to the mercenary duergar and they will want to kill nere. agree to help them. then when you actually free Nere there will be an option to side with Nere against the mercenaries. that way you also get these options to convince him to let the gnomes live etc.
@@MGamingVideos But I still need his damn head for the mushroom people!
@@quixotic7460hell with those mushroom people. With nere, we'll devise a plan to eradicate every single myconid to finally rule the underdark
I feel he is a cut companion. Otherwise, this is a huge effort to lose a great bunch of loot, including his amazing teleport boots and the myconid prize for his head...
I also suspect this.
but you can pickpocket his boots btw ;)
This is what is so amazing about Baldur's Gate 3; I've played through this section on 5 separate playthroughs, and never knew you could do this.
Would be nice to be able to pick him up as a companion. There are quite a few that you get locked out of by being evil and this could be one that could have some reservations about you being too nice. Karlach and Wyll will leave/attack you if you betray the grove (which you need to do in order to get Minthara), Halsin will become unobtainable and Gale will require a persuasion roll to keep in your party. Granted, you can get around the whole thing by continuity breaking your run but that's a headache to actually do and locks you out of items and rewards.
Bottom line is, it feels like the game seems to actively try to punish you for an evil run instead of having it be a different route through the game, and having Nere as a potential devil on your shoulder companion I feel would help remedy that.
If they changed minthara to being available in Act 1 as a companion, then Nere in act 2. Arguably astarion is already evil, it’d be good to have a full party of fledged out evil characters.
I wouldn’t mind an expansion where your good companions leave you to stop you. You could choose to beat the dead three to take the power yourself, or to follow them, and either way, you’ve got to stop the plans of the ex-companions from saving the world.
The dumbest thing about an evil playthrough is that to recruit minthara you have to sneak her out of moonrise. so she's an enemy of moonrise, and then you can just team up with jaheira anyway. I think you can still team up with the bad guys after getting minthara, but you lose out on so many quests after killing the tieflings it's not worth it.
if u just dont resolve the grove and goblin conflict by just leaving to act 2 you can keep Karlach and Wyll, then get Minthara from moonrise
The new update means if you knock out Minthara at the goblin camp, she turns up in Moonrise and then you can recruit her after that. And that way you can still save Halsin, and have Karlach and Wyll.
And if you want to piss off Mizora there is even a trick to kill Karlach (from distance), tell Wyll, go back and revive Karlach (from a distance), then long rest and Mizora will show up, Wyll won’t get all horned up, and you can get a cool outfit (which FYI is great on Karlach so it’s like a double F U to Mizora)
You can get Minthara without losing Wyll or Karlach by simply ignoring the Attack on the Grove quest. You can't have Halsin as well though.
I want him as companion so badly, hed be crazy for sure, hes so interesting. We need more drows
I'll say it before and I'll say it again. Not being able to recruit Nere was a serious missed opportunity. Especially since you don't even recruit Minthara until you reach moonrise. The trade off between choosing an "evil" campaign over a good one hardly seems fair given the opportunity cost is so great. You lose out on 2 companions, don't get Halsin, many characters die and their quests die along with them, and there's no fill in character for Act 1. Nere could have balanced the scale a bit. A charismatic warlock with an extremely talented VA is a perfect replacement for Wyll. Not to mention Nere seems much more interesting. His legacy even lives on in Act 2 with Balthazar's skull telling him and Minthara not to follow him into Shar's gauntlet and with the note you find on the dead duergar cursing him, lol. Such a shame. Here's to hoping the definitive edition makes him a companion because as of the current case, going the evil route is just so bland and bad that it doesn't even seem like an option.
He is a sorcerer, not a warlock so wouldn't have been a replacement for Wyll. Also despite being an evil aligned character, it seems more like he would have been an alternative for Minthara if you go the good route instead of evil (during early access you had to side with the tieflings and kill minthara in order to get this dialogue option to convince Nere).
Wyll is tied in with the main plot in act 3 so it wouldn't be good to make this a choice. plus wyll is an origin companion, they are the 6 main characters. but they should improve wyll's storyline as well because the last minute rewrites caused him to have far less content compared to the other 5.
I agree that Minthara only being available if we slaughter the tieflings/grove sucks. I wouldn't even care that it's either Halsin or Minthara recruited. It's good to have tough choices. I just wish it wasn't straight up kill one or the other. I would rather pick minthara but in 90% of my playthroughs I have halsin because indeed the trade off to get minthara is not balanced.
@@MGamingVideos Nere is not a sorc. He uses dissonant whispers. A spell
unique to lock and bard unless you choose magic initiate feat which he doesnt have. Also, I think the point of the OP wasn’t meant as Nere being a literal choice of whether to pick between Wyll or Nere. Wyll is already out of the picture in an evil campaign, so the status of his origin character and act 3 involvement is irrelevant. It’s more about filling in his absence with an alternative companion if you go the evil route.
@andrewclarke3592 they gave him a bard and warlock specific spell but he literally used to have "sorcerer" written under his name if you right clicked on him to examine. I am pretty sure he was meant to be a sorcerer.
@@MGamingVideosThat's interesting. I built him as a Wizard because it allows me to use his skills a lot but I'll switch to Sorcerer with a single level in Warlock for Fairy Fire and for the sake of consistency and being accurate to his lore.
Though I wonder - should I give him a level in Bard, too? He does have the Spider Lyre and the Dissonant Whispers spell.
@@karisrahl4444 I have no idea. He was added in patch 6 and then in patch 7 they already didn't show us a class for him when we right clicked examine. (but I am like 90% sure he was sorcerer before that) But maybe he was not meant to be a specific class Idk.
Wow, finally somebody who explores all the dialogue options! Had only seen this one with people mentioning they killed Minthara, nice to see its not needed to be able to break free Nere from the absolute.
It's because those videos are from early access. A different dialogue path led to telling him about the mindflayers. (We had to mention killing Minthara but now that dialogue doesn't even exist. Instead we now have to say we refuse to report to ketheric thorm. )
@@MGamingVideosthey cut dialogue with Minthara because if you pick her and speak with Nero - she still will speak about herself like it was Tav
@@johnpsmith8132 hmm. not sure. mentioning that she is dead was only an option if she is dead obv lol and then she can't be present and speaking to him. (plus this is act 1 and minthara can only be recruited in act 2 so I think if you came here only after recruiting her then Nere probably already suffocated? )
edit: I checked and he actually doesn't suffocate if we go to grymforge after we have been to moonrise but there is no dialogue acknowledging that we have been there so it's a bit silly.
I do not have any of these dialog options, you know the deception ones etc... Did they remove them? We can't brainwash Nere anymore? Or is it something I missed?
His little voice cracks i can’t 😭
I love him so much. It is such a TRAGEDY that he can't become a companion. I need more drow in my basket, Larian. LET ME KEEP HIM!
we should collect all the drow characters we meet in the game lol but especially him.
Yep i agree, i also always wanted some male drow as a companion but unfortunately for us none cannot be recruited ;;
Nere is so egocentric he looks like a guy who wants to be the main character instead of a follower, that's probably why they didn't make him a companion, it doesn't fit his personality.
@@johnnyairplane2896 he is pretty much acting just like any drow would
@@johnnyairplane2896 Maybe it's compensating him being a male drow (and thus of utmost insignificance).
What's sad is once he moves far enough away from the player, and the artefact, he'll be influenced by the Absolute once more as you won't be near enough to block our her voice...
I didn’t even know you could do this, I had absolutely no idea this was even a possibility to get him to do this. And like everyone else I’m absolutely shocked he wasn’t an eligible companion character, idk maybe he’s a bit more ruthless than minthara and that’s why he doesn’t come with you. But I just don’t see how that even makes sense because if minthara is willing to join you and your group that is comprised of mostly good people, I don’t see what would stop Nere from joining you.
Especially when you would think that he and minthara would both want to either get revenge on the absolute or at the very bare minimum be cured of their tadpoles. And on top of all of that you’d think that if you recruited nere, then recruiting minthara would theoretically be easier to make those checks and get her on your side if she see’s another high ranking member of the cult join you instead of the absolute.
At the very minimum he should've had a bigger role in the story if he survives
Nere automata.
I didn’t know you could talk him into abandoning the absolute.. this game is beyond detailed. Amazing
Nere could've been a sorcerer companion, instead of another druid companion. He could be the evil version of jaheira
please larian i want a drow boyfriend
They did nothing with him, it would've been nice for him to maybe pop up time to time. Or have a small questline that'll have him an ally, or another person who writes Tav a letter in the epilogue. Kind of like Araj.
Each new piece of content from this game just blows me away. The ultimate "plinko" drama RPG of the best kind. Every single variation of play is noted, and I've even noticed this thru multiple playthrus where I've gotten certain characters I thought were "mean" the first time around to actually come to on my side...Case in point: Rolan over at Sorcerous Sunderies.
Nere and Altria both 100% seem like they were supposed to be companions, but were cut
I'm still mourning the fact he was probably cut from the final release as a companion. Something just tells me he was meant to show up in Act 2 back then, which changed at some point.
Regardless, I'll continue to use mods to get what Larian took from me.
NERE ENJOYERS ASSEMBLE
Larian should see this comment section xD
Wtf is there to enjoy?
His protection would end as soon as he travels too far from the artifact, resulting in him falling back under control of the absolute.
They did such a good job on the sweat. So if you save him so you miss out on getting his boots? If so, he’s dead.
I left him alive and pickpocketed them off him. 8)
no need to kill him. before you would leave him, just use an invisibility potion and pickpocket his boots. then fast travel to camp before he would notice it
yeah. the sweat always impresses me because it's not even applied in the entire area of the grymforge. Characters only have sweat on them when they are standing close to the lava. If we walk further away then it disappears. amazing
@@MGamingVideos thx didn’t know you could pickpocket him for the boots.
@@ANCIENTWARRI0R yeah, the boots are the only good loot on him so I always just pickpocket lol
Funny thing is as soon as he walks away from the prism he gonna get brainwashed again.
He would have made a great companion for my Lolthsworn run. Alas…
He is a very intelligent man. I am surprised you can't keep him in your camp.
Would of been nice to have a male drow in the team.
I would pay buckets for Nere as a companion
I never understood why we can free nere but not kar'niss. I mean for nere freeing without companion is a dearhcall for him as ling as he doesn't stay down there in the underdark. Karniss, as a drider, could survive in the shadow curse a little, through the lolthdrow heretige of him
I have been trying to figure out if there's a way to save the gnome he throws into the magma. So far I haven't seen it.
No. I believe that is impossible. She either dies together with Nere and the other gnomes if you don't clear the rubble in time. Or she dies in the cutscene. Her death is scripted.
@@MGamingVideos that makes sense. I’ve tried numerous things like attacking him as soon as I see him or engaging with him, and then having another one of my characters attack him during the communications nothing seems to work, so that makes sense.
@@rumblepuffgaming9415 Yep. Switching to a different character doesn't work because once the cutscene starts he immediately kills her. But I also tried attacking him before the cutscene even starts and her character just turns into thin air the moment I hit Nere with an attack. The journal updates saying "Nere wanted to kill the gnomes. We didn't let him." as if the scene had played. Meerna is not present outside of the cutscene. So yeah, scripted death, she exist only in the cutscene and cannot be saved. The game assumes we saved the rest of the gnomes while killing Nere. So persuading him instead is still the best option.
There's no way, sadly. Even if you cast some protection on her or so.
Even if the NPC stays alive, everyone will consider her dead.
pretty sure you can hit the attack button as soon as he's free. also you can recruit some of the duergrar to fight against him. (they ask you to kill an eye before hand)
What a missed opportunity - too bad we couldn’t choose him or Minthara. This recruitment makes more sense.
Modders, you know what to do
Dude I had no idea this could happen?! He always attacked me
Doesn't really matter what you do, since if you kill him, he's gone, and if you convince him to leave, he will be transformed into a mind flayer, cuz he's not protected. So he's fucked no matter what you do
not necessarily true that without the prism he would transform. True souls have altered tadpoles which only transform on command.
Also we can ignore Shadowheart and not recruit her for a long time and the artefact is with her and yet we don't turn into mindflayers.
the artefact protects from the absolute's mind control, there is one point where it tries to control us and shadowheart shows up to save the day but that's the only time we need it for protection (If Nere stays away until the end of the game, then he might be fine.)
Having Nere as an evil run option would've been a great addition to the game, even having goblins or hobgoblins as a story companion would've been fun!
We want Sazza / Nere / Araj Oblodra! Imagine that party
Damn i didnt knew that can free grome without kill nere.
This is far more organic than simply picking the [Speech: 100] option 10 times in a row
i need him biblically.. literally the only one i’d dump Astarion for
the branches this game can take are INSANE
If you build it they will come lol. Thank you for doing this.
I always wanted him to become a acompanion since early access T_T so sad he can not join camp
It is amazing how many different routes are possible in this game.
I can't help but think that Durge replaced Nere's role as part of the party.
I didnt even know this was possible i love BG3 but the doors this game open for other DnD genre games makes me look forward to the future
I always rage killed Nere for blasting that gnome into the lava and didn't even know he had all these lines! Makes you wonder if Nere was supposed to be a companion alongside Minthara because you literally gain nothing new (except for her) by giving up the Tieflings and Halsin for her haha.
I originally thought he would be a replacement for Minthara. during early access the dialogue to convince Nere was different, we had to say "Minthara is dead" in order to convince Nere to leave the absolute. the option to convince him used to be exclusive to a tiefling supportive playthrough
I know, everything in the Underdark hates each other but..... I just keep getting an idea of united Underdark somehow when I saw this dialogue option.
Or at least.... an idea of storming moonrise tower with Duergar, Deep Gnomes and Drow allies.
would have been a cool idea for a quest where we collect allies (groups and not just individuals we helped) who were harmed by the absolute. a lot of drow joined the absolute, they were tadpoled in large numbers so yeah, that could have been cool.
Without the prism, wouldn't Nere just turn into a mind flayer in the end?
If he can deceive the absolute of his intentions, he might be able to get away, but i doubt he could lie his way through because of literal tadpole in his head.
He could be instantly turn into mindflayer with a flick like your game-over scene when you lose the artifact protection.
It's mentioned that true souls have different altered parasites, they were not intended for transformation but to be controlled. ofc they could still turn true souls on command but there is no indication they did that to him. he wouldn't turn automatically like those with regular tadpoles.
Also I am not sure how we are meant to interpret the ending where people on the streets start turning and attacking. I assumed that only happens if we waste time after grabbing the third nether stone. when I killed gortash last and I immediately travelled to the pool to go for the brain/end game, I didn't see anyone turning on the streets. so I don't know if that still happens off screen or if actually I prevented that.
I wonder if Nere might slightly addled. It's an interesting quirk of his that he refers to himself in the third person.
It wouldn't shock me. From what I know of lolth-sworn drows, males are raised to be obedient slaves. Maybe someone messed his brain up a bit.
Edit: I should clarify that they're raised to be obedient to their female lolth-sworn counterparts, and that's it. And even within drow society males are power-hungry. Drows are very competitive and really only respect their own family and clan. That said, I'd love to see if there's different dialogue options for a female drow PC with him.
I love thos but at the same tile I'm a bit annoyed at how it is somewhat lockrd behind options than in most dialogues mean battle, like the "You can report your own failures" line
yeah. during early access that was not the line we had to pick so when full release came I was also confused and I had to click at everything to even find this option. (at first I thought they removed the possibility for him to leave the cult)
@@MGamingVideos So did I. I thought it was cut altogether because of the whole (it's next to impossible to break free of the Absolute without the Prism).
But lo and behold, the Prism is used here.
If you kill Brithvar before you talk to Nere at all, he'll be very much willing to side with you from the start. The only danger he'll pose is if you fail either of the two persuasion checks later, when you're convincing him to leave The Absolute.
What doesn't make sense is if Nere abandons the absolute wouldn't that be detected and wouldn't he be instantly turned into a Mindflayer?
I love Nere so much. I wish he was a companion
Am i the only one who wants Nere as a companion?
My drow doing this:
Return to Lloth dear brother
Wait, but once he leaves the vicinity of the prism, won't he become subjugated to the Absolute again?
WHAAAAAT i always wished you could recruit him!! i had no idea you could enlighten him and set him "free" so to speak!! i want it even more now ;w; i would be so beyond happy if they ever added him in as a companion.. wont he succumb to the absolute without the artifact anyway? :
I wonder if he became a mind flayer after getting so far away from Tav/Durge ... since the prism wasn't protecting him anymore, if the Absolute finds his betrayal, he could be a thrall right there and then
Sigh...
*Starts a new game
Nere's interaction reminds me of the chick spying on the gith in act 1. there's no dialogue options that change anything and she always ends up as a dead corpse you can talk to in the creche. You don't really learn anything useful from her corpse though, so you're better off just killing her right away for xp and a free potion.
💀 how fragile fate is if you made the wrong move, if you want to make friends that is...i didnt know its possible to be in good terms with Nere lmao
ohhhhhhh man my husband was playing a champion of Lolth in our game and we MISSED THIS I'm sad now.
i had to see this, wasnt aware you could turn this guy from the absolute
Honestly seeing this video makes me kinda wish Nere was a companion, like being an optional Monk companion that you have to either get past some high DCs to get or to play an evil playthrough. I say monk as we do have a character for almost every class except Monk as a party member. Hell I can definitely see a whole plausible arc that he could have of being on a search of vengance against the Absolute cult and perhaps having his arc being entirely about Faith as a vocal point given Minthara is a flat character who could have had the same but with her it makes a little more sense as she is evil afterall and is more so a catalyst for your TAV's fall.
Because I sided with the duergar against him, I freed everyone from the absolute, and the gnomes from the duergar. I also brought peace to the myconids and earned my staff of frost. This is very interesting though
What a good dialogue ! This game is amazing
Still doesn't explain why he's laying dying in this tunnel, while the Duergar know where the right path is, since they tell you if you wanna go into it.
Looking for expansions. Mainly to see more of Minthara, she is such wasted potential. Nere could also be a companion... maybe a bard since they did not give us Alfira.
On the one hand, I love that there is this option. On the other, he was so disrespectful to my female lolth-sworn drow ... it's open season on this boy's behind.
It's so cool you can do this, but I need to make my Myconid bros happy
I never thought about killing the gnomes first. I just assumed that Nere will automatically get mad and try to fight you. It’s crazy that there’s so many options in this game that most people miss out on. It’s one of the reasons why I love this game so much.
I assume you meant killing the duergar first? the gnomes are alive here
Uh, yeah… I got the names mixed up for some reason. I meant the duergar.
I WANT HIM SO BADLY I LOVE NERE HE IS SO SILLY
why he say "damage" like that 3:13 lmao im obsessed with it
I mean, there is no way he survives on his own with you being gone. He would be controlled yet again if the Prism isnt near him; or worse.
Looks like I'll be trying to sway him from the Absolute from now on. But yikes, the amount of cut content and missed opportunities.
Hmm so freeing him requires you to take the duergar out before the rubble is cleared?
if you want that dialogue option which persuades him to save the gnomes then yes. (or you can talk to the mercenary duergar who want to turn on nere and promise to help them. but when you free nere, you can instead betray the mercenaries and side with nere. in that version you also get the option to convince him)
Ha ah man the gloves were off the moment that gnome got launched into the lava for me. Ima do this on my next run.
I just kill Nere. Act 1 has tons of options. But act 2 on has less and less. Nere is a victim of that. No matter what, he dies to Balthazar off screen and doesn't even show up as a zombie. Just a single mention. Minthara at least kept 1/3rd of her cut content. And most can only be viewed if you get her early by rushing to act 2 then go back to act 1 complete content then go back to act 2 and talk to her. She will have an opinion about companions and events like everyone else even though she is locked to act 2.
this is awesome and I wish we could have him in party but I love his rapier so unless he gives it to me I have to kill him 🙈
If he goes off to notify the Order of Soul Spiders, does that impact anything later in the game? Do they show up as a potential ally for the finale or have any questlines associated that are made easier (or even possible) by his actions? It's easy to just say "as soon as he leaves the artifact's radius of protection he just gets ceremorphized or controlled back" to excuse it if not, but it would be cool if this does actually change anything
I think none of those options where he leaves the absolute have any resolution in the game. I usually pick the persuasion or history check, tell him to abandon the cult and run. Telling him to go back to Lolth seems evil. they would punish him if he went back imo. but I think the game doesn't acknowledge a difference between these two options.
When he goes to Moonrise, he is killed by Balthazar. otherwise we are left to assume he lived but we don't know what happened.
@@MGamingVideos i wonder if there are unique options if you're an eilistaean? or if your pc is a drow of either side
@@mel-burnes As far as I know there aren't. I played drow before and I don't remember drow specific dialogue in this scene. (Here my character is half-drow but also nothing unique)
@@mel-burnes I think the "It's not too late to reclaim your faith in Lolth" dialogue becomes marked as a drow specific dialogue if you play drow but the game is just trying to trick us like it's special. lol that dialogue is always there
@@MGamingVideos ah, a shame but fair enough
Do you only get this conversation if you kill the dwarves before blowing up the rocks?
the abandon the absolute dialogue and convincing him to let the gnomes live?
there is one other way to do it. if you talk to the mercenary duergar, they want to kill Nere so tell them you will side with them against nere. then when you actually blow the rocks, betray the mercenaries and side with Nere and you will get the same options to convince him. (I will upload that version later)
@@MGamingVideos Cool - thanks!
6:47 what is the 'personal blessing' he offers?
I Didnt have any roll options so I had no choice but to fight him idk why but when I faced him he was too strong at the lv I was, proceeded to let him die in there and walked to act II without remorse, and wierdly enough as a lv4 or 5 the shadow land without curse protection was easier than this fight against Nere and a bazzilion gnomes
it's just a setback!
If the devs wanted Nere alive they wouldn't have given him such amazing boots to loot
you can pickpocket his boots
@@MGamingVideos lol imagine looking down and suddenly not having shoes on
@@D0land0_94 would be funny but unfortunately he was still wearing shoes even after I stole them lol duplicate shoes
Gah, I'm torn. I freed him from the Apsolute, but that quest to bring his head will stay open now, probably forever.
the quest log finally updates when you finish act 2. most quests stay open until the act 2 finale