With the number of ways people have found to save both Minthara and the Tieflings, you'd think Larian would just bite the bullet and make it a feature rather than trying to knock down every new method.
Ye i really would like a "redemtion" arc for minthara. So you can choose to let her flee the goblin camp, and than recruit and redeem her later. Out of all the freedom Larian gave us in this game, why not that? I guess time will tell.
@@klavicus2276 There was another method to have both Halsin and Minthara, but Larian patched that method out and added a trigger that if Minthara ever entered the camp, Halsin would immediately die. Don't know if this method is affected by that patch given that the video came out after it, but given Larian's past actions they might patch this method out as well.
I'm honestly kind of confused as to why this isn't an option since no one in the goblin camp seems to even be aware of the Tiefling situation until running into it and just want to raid the druid grove in their search for the Astral Prism (that they think is the Silvanus idol due to having literally no details as to wtf they're looking for). Would make a lot of sense to either broker a deal or convince Zevlor to pretend to adhere to the Absolute as a means to get safe passage out of the grove as a neutral option over the evil one to massacre the grove or the good one to defend it. Because let's be real here: most of the druids are assholes. They are unironically less likable than the freaking goblins.
I think the way they should make minthara recruitable is as follows: you have to take her to the grove and then beat her party WITHOUT killing her. Then a conversation should play out between zevlor and tav in which you debate whether or not minthara should be left alive under the tieflings' care as they venture to baldurs gate (could also have her be brought over during the party scene and left in the ruined tower, giving you a chance to speak to her and make sense of the mush in her brain). Once you meet up with the tiefs in last light they inform you they lost zevlor as usual but that in the midst of the fighting minthara managed to escape, letting ketheric interrogate her as usual once she makes it back to moonrise. Still makes you jump through a few hoops but imo this is a really good way to let people play with minthara without sacrificing so so much :D
totally agree! Its so sad that in order to get minthara you have to kill all tieflings, cant get halsin, lose will and karlach... and almost lose gale. i like the idea that some companions lock others out but to lock so many out if you want minthara is just too much in my opinion
My thought was that you could tell Minthara where the Grove is and then eliminate the all the enemies at the Temple of Selune while she's gone. You rush back to aid in the defence of the Grove either by attacking the Goblins from outside the walls or by sneaking in one of the back entrances. Upon the defeat of her forces, it can play out a few different ways. 1) Minthara falls in combat. 2) Minthara is captured prior to retreating and is executed. 3) Minthara is captured and allowed to flee. 4) MInthara is able to retreat prior to being captured. If Minthara lives through the battle and is able to escape, she returns to the Temple of Selune to find Razglin, Priestess Gut and any potential reinforcements that she could use to assault the Grove a second time dead. This forces her to abandon the area and flee to Moonrise Tower where the story continues as normal. This allows you to play a good character, defend the Grove and potentially recruit Minthara later.
I too like the idea that some companions lock others out, the Haslin/Minthara portion works well into the story, but , and this is AFAIK at this point, I don't like Jaheira and Minsc being an "all or nothin" package deal. My first battle at Light's Hope, Jaheira's dumb ass got beat down dead to the mobs that fly into the building. I never did check if she was able to be resurrected actually, because I reloaded that fight for another reason (Didn't even know Jaheira was a PC at that point, I did my first play through completely blind with NO internet) Personally I'm not a fan at all of "cheese", borderline exploitive play, or MEGA-TURBO-DURKA-LOL-500DMGTURN builds in the game (at least how it sits now with Tactician being the highest difficulty, which is essentially only a HardER mode for Act 1 and 2, and then act 3 there's so much mEgAcHeEsE builds and gear, that it invalidates the difficulty level tl;dr I'm cool with a choice between Minthara or Halsin, but not cool with only being able to get Minsc if I bring Jaheira along at the right moment (Unless that's not correct, which I actually don't know, seems like it though) @@Tom-bt2wx
I'm perfectly OK with her current path to recruitment. It's just that, even though she loves you and everything you've become, and TALKS as if you're in a relationship, you don't have the options available with EVERY OTHER romanceable companion: kisses, being able to settle down with them when the story is over, etc.
If someone has to go to this many steps just to recruit her while being a good person, all the while not being able to romance her. Then maybe Larian Studios should just give players the opportunity to snap her out of her mindcontrol during act 1 and let her be in the party as well.
OR, or, they could leave Minthara as a "Bad Guy Run Exclusive", since this game is about choices and consequences, and you don't need to have everything available at all times, and evil runs are already severely lacking in content compared to good guy runs.
@@anibalgleza407 i get ur point but making her available for the good playthrough doesnt rob the evil one of its content does it? I think itd be nice to have more options
I've long advocated for her to be recruitable canonically, but now that we have this absolutely bananas method I kind of hope they make it the default. Although I definitely prefer to get my companions in Act 1 so you can build your party early.
People spend literally hundreds of thousands of dollars on digital wifu in “free to play” games and it doesn’t speak any quality about those wifu, only how mentally ill some people can be. But this? It’s just people exploiting a game, trying to find ways to break rules, trying to solve problems in order to feel good about how skilled and smart they are. It’s pretty normal.
I removed karlach from my group, made the goblins and tieflings fight each other because I didn’t wanna fight them and I went back to camp and Karlach left and I just couldn’t do it 😂 I reloaded and saved Minthara in moonrise towers
It doesn't. Montara foesnt have a lot going for her as a party member as she has no quest beyond her recruitment. The reason people have done this is because it's challenging and requires outside-the-box thinking.
I made this a bit easier by doing the following: 1) Respec a companion you don't normally use to sorcerer. Choose the EXTEND spell metamagic. Use this character to do the polymorph - that way you have 10 turns of poly instead of 5. 2) Once at moonrise, I also used this characters sorcery points to recover a lvl 4 spell slot - and then used that for 1 dimension door. 3) I also respec'd another companion again as sorcerer purely for dimension door. 4) Using the above, meant I had 3x dimension door and a 10 turn poly using 2 characters and no scrolls. 5) I use Lazel as my fighter as Eldritch Knight so I kept them in the minthara rescue team for long strider 6) finally the 4th character used dominate beast. For the purpose I had my cleric go nature for that, but you could use a druid which would also net you long strider as well. 7) On the final step in the cell, I actually had the MM do 3 damage - exactly enough to break sheep and have minthara still be neutral. So I don't have to go invis and hide afterwards, I just talked to hte guard to start the final dialogue. 8) I did all of act 1, which made me level 7. Went straight to moonrise via mountain pass. I always kill the drider and use the pixie to protect agains the shadow curse.
Hirelings are really good for the respecs. For example, I have a hireling transmutation wizard with high medicine, I use him for alchemy (doubles the output). He’s never even left my camp lmao
you know you don't have to have the person casting Longstrider in your party, just have them join the party in camp, have them cast Longstrider on everyone, then remove them from the party.
@@adamskeans2515I always have a hireling in camp who's sole purpose is to use as many buff spells on the four of us as possible lol. By the end of the game I'm using Hero's Feast, 5th level Aid, Protection From Poison, and Longstrider on everyone
Hard agree. This definitely gives me Tabletop vibes in terms of the party rules-lawyering their way into getting their way, and I'm 100% here for it. @@randomrandom7208
@@numbskullgaming3638 oh i have no problem with minthara being the way she is, but absuing the meachnics like that cant be the way. i say if so many people want a possiblity to get her, let them.
She is written by the devs(technically the DM in this situation) to be an evil character. The ability to turn her into a good one is meant to be extremely difficult yet not impossible. They did this on purpose. Im okay with it as we the gamers entire job is to break the game written a certain way, its why DND is so good because its supposed to be a puzzle in the end with hard decisions to make. Minthara wasnt a good character turned evil, she is a character that is fully aware of what she is doing. Shes not actually brainwashed, she wanted power lol
@@randomrandom7208Hard disagree, you shouldn't need to go through these hoops when KNOCKING HER OUT! Should be all that is required for this seen, cause you literally do not kill her and she fails her mission and goes back to Moonrise and gets judged and you save her as a good character, perhaps add two options, one, where you knocked her out without knowing who did it, or one where she knows you knocked her out to stop the assault on the Grove where you need to do a deception, persuasion or intimidation check to convince the people there and gas-light the shit out of her.
That is just madness. You must be placing her where the game expects to find her if certain conditions are met- it thinks all the previous conditions were met, so it just keeps going! Its REALLY worth it. Minthara is one of the best companions, and in this game, that is a really high bar.
So through a similar method I found a way to get her in the throne room without being hostile or polymorphed, and the exploit does not work. Seems like the devs expected players to find ways to force her into the room, so she is set to run away immediately and not trigger the cutscene no matter where you put her. However, having her polymorphed and under player control somehow bypasses that intended fix, and the cutscene triggers as shown in the video.
imo the problem isn't even that you have to kill the tieflings/let them die for minthara. it's that you miss out on 3-4 companions (karlach, wyll, halsin, potentially gale) & a huge amount of side quests in return for 1 companion who doesn't have much content (and whose existing content is bugged out) of course, i am willing to make such sacrifices for her. but i understand why others are hesitant.
Yeah I feel like there should be just a way she enters when you decide to non-lethal her during the goblin camp raid. It makes no sense that she just disappears...
What u write don't make sense.Good vs evil is a matter of projection, Minthara was brainwashed and puppet in the hands of the Absolute, but she was never good character and that is ok.
@@dododimitrov9657 the OP wasn't saying they want Minthara to be a good character, they were saying they want good characters to be able to recruit Minthara without wiping out the grove and losing Wyll, Karlach, and Halsin
Thank you for the full video! The post looked really complex but seeing it done, it's pretty straight forward and you made it very easy to follow along. Saving this for later!
@@MadGanso-gx3ce It's not necessary anymore, they added a way to just knock out Minthara to recruit her. You must KO her when she is "temporarily hostile" (steal something off her desk) and do the tiefling party the same day while she is KO'd. I rescued Halsin but left him there, stealth killed gut, then did a long rest. Next day I KO'd Minthara, killed Ragzlin, and did the tiefling party all in the same day.
I have tried both of these methods (sheep method and temporary hostile method) but failed, I rescued Minthara to the safe zone in shadowcursedlane, but nothing happened, she couldn't talk and she always followed me, without being able to enter the camp
EDITED comment: Unfortunately, it appears that patch 4 of the game closed down this exploit. I was able to dimension door sheep-thara into the right position (after so many attempts), & was able to get her down to the interrogation chamber. However, even when I struck her with minimal damage, & talked my way out of the assault charge, the interrogators simply wouldn't begin to torture her, & Minthara just stood there (didn't even try to begin combat w/ me). Additionally, even though I had the quest marker to visit Minthara before her execution, I couldn't click on her to begin the dialogue. Moreover, as soon as the audience hall dialogue w/ the general ended & I finished deciding the goblins' fate, Minthara simply runs away & disappears, she is able to disappear EVEN IF I cast arcane lock on the interrogation room door. I then got a quest completion notification saying "we helped Minthara escape Moonrise towers, she elected to go her own way". How disappointing after spending all these resources... I wish Larian would let us just have this one & reward us for player ingenuity, but apparently no such luck.
Not true, just did this on patch 4. Have Halsin in camp and Minthara in my party. I believe, so long as I don't dismiss both of them from my party, all will be fine as well. However all be warned, if you have both Halsin and Minthara and have neither in your party, one will die, usually Halsin. I'm not sure why this happens or if it can be prevented but I'm not trying to test it atm.
Did you notice any differences between what you did and the video? Or were there any instances of having to time things just right? I'm doing it just like the video rn and it's not working (in the same way as @GMATveteran ) so if you do happen to remember I'd love to know
@@amandaw2133 No none at all besides having respec'd a single character to sorcerer for the fight so they could extend my polymorph spell. I'll say that the placement on the sheep between the two pews is very precise, and once she's in the cell getting the exact results seen in the video can take a few attempts and just fenagling tbh. I had to ultimately skip quite a few turns after reloading and opting not to follow the exact instructions, the exact turn she became a human again I used a cantrip (Thorn whip I think) and it agro'd her. From there I invis'd like the vid, left the room and re-entered and the cutscene began. No bugs either, as well Halsin and Minthara both remain alive in camp even after multiple long rests and major plot points! We'll see if moving to act 3 kills either of them however.
@@lildeadwalker7893 I just recruited her on the most recent patch using the glitch. Beelined it to that, so I haven't completed Halsin's recruitment quest yet. Any idea if it is only an issue with he becomes a true companion rather than just being at camp?
A bit of a wild idea what Larian COULD do, but hear me out: The option to knock someone out is used as such in a handful of situations, in all other situations the NPC is considered dead (including Minthara). My idea now: Larian, make it so that optionally recurring NPCs that are knocked out are actually knocked out, come back to consciousness at a certain point, disappear from the original map, and reappear at the next point. Makes it a necessity to cast a healing spell on the unconscious NPC to get them to their destination in one piece. I mean, what's the point of having the option to knock out NPCs if it's really relevant in maybe 4 or so cases? I know Larian won't read this, but I question the logic behind having this mechanic.
some enemy explodes if you kill it. knock them out could prevent that. but it also quite rare. and I agree with you , this mechanic should have more impact on the story line.
As is, knocking someone out mostly feels like a flavor/rp thing. Like choosing to kill major antagonists who won’t relent while sparing random goblins you take pity on.
On a side note, why is it when one player in a multiplayer group toggles the non-lethal on or off, it forces their choice on everyone else? This was not the case in early access.
I agree. I thought of knocking her out, but then I read she dies still. Well, not that I would care much in my first playthrough anyway. There are always more playthroughs to complete in the future.
So for the people who are having an issue with her disappearing after a long rest, apparently the issue is that you need to sucker punch her to get the Temporarily Hostile status on her. If you start the fight by talking to her it won't work correctly.
Ah, is that why. I know if you don't attack her in the cell, in my runs at least, she'll run off. Once you've pinged her for a couple damage she'll go hostile and then you can talk your way out of the arrest and invis your way out of the fight.
You did what I googled extensively to find an option for. This is the exact kind of abuse I strive for as a person, and you pulled it off with flying colors. Well done, my dude.
the video had my like. but when you casually talked about using minthara while poly'd as an improvised weapon... thats when i decided to comment as well!
If you are on PC, there is a mod that you can use to recruit Minthara. That being said, it's amazing that you can do this and an amazing find. It also speaks highly of Minthara and her character that this would even be done.
Or you could use a potion of speed to use two dimensional door casts per turn. BA isn't used otherwise, so you can just pop another one to avoid lethargy Taking a monk hireling for the increased move speed is also an option especially equipped with Crusher Ring. Just a couple extra things that can speed it up.
I did this over the past week and finally made it to moonrise today. Im playing on the ps5 though so i was having a lot of trouble when it came to getting her in front of ketheric. What i had to do was bring at least 2 sorcerers. One with dominate beast, the other with extend spell polymorph. I only had one scroll for dimension door so, they each had that as a spell as well. After i teleport her to moonrise as a dominated beast, i used dimension door and move her as far along the bridge as i could. Second turn, i have some one open the door, expend sorcery points to get a 4th level spell slot and then dimension door again inside the building. I then had to spend 2 turns expending lvl 3 spell slots to get another 4th level spell so i can dimension door right in front of ketherics throne room. I then used the dimension door scroll and analyzed the video to see where exactly she needs to be placed. Nailed it. The cutscene started and she was good to go and I was able to enact the next steps. That attempt was after an hour and a half of failing to throw and drop her exactly where needed because i didnt have the luxury of using a pc. But this worked for me on ps5 so, hopefully it helps others. I then had the door opening character run to the interrogation room. I also learned if you don't run to the interrogation room while the cutscene is ongoing, she will not be in the interrogation room. She just disappears at that point.
Just wanted to let everyone know This still works! I did this today on PS5 I had already reached lvl 7 Druid by doing Act 1, and The Mountain Pass area. (Which gave me access to Polymorph/Dominate Beast) I had one character use an Polymorph scroll (I had 2) Then my character that would be using Dimension door used Dominate Beast. I saved up 6 Dimension door scrolls Which made it to where I didn’t have to throw Sheep Minthara. 🐑 I did have to use my second Polymorph scroll because I got scared I would run out! And I dimensioned doored right between the pillars like OP said and instantly got cut scene! The characters that didn’t get put into the cut scene went into the interrogation room, after hitting Minthara once and getting the guard to talk to me she wasn’t hostile any more so I didn’t end up needing to go invisible. Just left the room and brought down the cut scene characters and Boom 💥 got her! 🙌🏼
This game is so full of weird and creative ways of doing things, it is almost like this table top game called Dungeons & Dragons in which me and mates did unorthodox problem solving like this (as long as our GM allowed it).
Jeez, whenever I get around to being able to play this game I think I'm just gonna use a mod. Apparently Minthara was supposed to be recruitable on a good run originally but they changed it to balance the fact that there otherwise would be no companions an evil character could get that a good character couldn't. Kinda silly though. If you're evil enough to do what's needed for her to survive then it doesn't really seem to make sense to not be evil enough to abandon her to her fate.
You can pick up corpses. Imagine if you could pick up an unconscious Minthara, take her back to the Grove, and question her. Then after the assault on the goblin camp, you decide to let her live because reasons, only to later find her at Moonrise Towers, where she is subjected to torture and you have the opportunity to save her. Despite taking everything from her AND getting her into this shit position, you're also the one who gets her out. And without anywhere else to go, she (begrudgingly) joins you and your party.
Jesus, well kudos to whoever figured out that convoluted process. I bookmarked this in case I want to give it a try sometime. But I probably won't, lol.
They should just make it like she escapes we find her in the towers prison directly when we go there and then with some convincing make her not tell we were the ones that killed the others and have her join us Would be a nice banter between her and the druid Halsin :D
This is very convoluted, but a creative way to recruit Minthara. I'd like to see Larian provide an option in settings players can activate to allow recruitment of all companions or not. That way, those who want to can recruit whoever they want, and those who want the intended experience can just play it without checking that box. It's a win/win.
Yes but this way you get Halsin, the tieflings are still alive and you get Minthara as a companion, if they wanted something else they would have done it like you, but they didn't
Wow this is an insane strat, i used to use Cheat Engine to recruit her easily. Then there is also a mod on nexus, which allows her recruiting and leaves tieflings untouched. Larian should seriously consider making her recruitable in any sort of playthrough.
They should not do such a thing. It should not be possible to recruit party members from opposing factions. Having someone in your party who was literally the prisoner of another one of your party members who was going to kill them makes no narrative sense. Neither of them would allow that. That's why you have to choose normally. Having modded/cheated/exploit options available is a great solution because you have to willingly break the game to do this. Also, keep in mind that modding your game makes co-op quite difficult and managing separate versions based on your mod setup is non-trivial. (Which is annoying considering there are literally mod manager programs that just can't revert to vanilla). If you really care about recruiting Minthara and Halsin in one playthrough, this is probably the best option. If their dialogue/storylines aren't important and you just want their classes, you can always recruit hirelings at level 3 of any class or just respec any companion to be a paladin if that's really what you're after.
@@BigDaddyWes Minthara was only "opposing faction" cause of tadpole brainwashing, which wears off after being in contact with the main character. I dont see why recruiting all the party members should not be possible. Minthara is also an interesting character, i would say more interesting than Halsin. There have been conflicts between the party members anyway. When shadowheart tries to kill Lae'zel.
Checklist for anyone who want's an 'optimised run'. the vid makes it more complicated then it already is. Hope this helps on your new runs! You'll have a level 7 group, and all of Act 2 and 3 to use Mint in following the below. You'll want to complete all Act 1 quests for XP reasons, but not a stern requirement. Doing so also means you won't miss out on any loot or story. [CAN BE DONE ON PC & CONSOLE] Abbreviated instructions but should have everything. Structured in steps. ACT 1: Initiate Save Halsin Questline. Go to goblin camp. Kill priestess Gut after she takes you to her room. Speak with Dror Ragzlin and do the dialogue checks- then he'll ask you to speak with Minthara. IMPORTANT: For Minthara, you need to activate 'non-lethal' damage to incapacitate her. *Ensure that you take all of her major loot like the Lyre, otherwise you will crash any time you try to load back to Act 1.* Next turn off non lethal and go murderhobo the rest of the camp, including Dror Ragzlin. This should complete Halsin's request. Once you've cleared the Goblin Camp, full rest and check that Minthara is back up and idle. RECOMMENDED: Play the rest of Act 1, organically. You can do all the other Act 1 Quests. Afterwards, speak with Halsin at the Grove and he'll tell you to reach the Underdark etc. [RECOMMENDED: Do all the Underdark questlines and then travel to Waukeen's rest and go to the Gith Creche and complete that storyline aswell.] BEFORE ENTERING ACT 2: After defeating the Creche go through the Mountain Pass leading into Act 2. You'll need to bring Elminster back to camp, do some dialogue and rest. IMPORTANT: THIS IS WHERE IT'S VERY MUCH REQUIRED YOU SET UP. Provided you did all the quests. You should be exactly at Level 7. As a precursor, before you move into Act 2, use this opportunity to either respec your companions or use 3 Hirelings. You'll need: 2 Sorcerers at Level 7. They require Metamagic: Extended Spell. Select the Level 7 spell as Polymorph for one character. Domimate beast for the other character. Stats and gear do not matter and yes you do need 2 sorcerers! Ranger is also required for Longstrider and Jump. Lastly your main character needs to be (respecc'd) into high strength so use a hill giants potion or club of hill giant. Enough to let you carry someone. ACT 2: Enter Act 2, speak with Kar'niss and I recommend killing the Drider and taking lantern and letting the fairy go, so you get the permanent buff to avoid shadows. Then use Ranger and buff everyone with Longstrider and give yourself jump. You want to jump towards Moonrise Towers waypoint. You don't need to follow the route in the vid, it's unnecessary, just go towards toll house and jump down to Moonrise Towers. (You can ignore everything else, will not mess any quests up.) IMPORTANT: Once you have MT waypoint, quickly inch towards MT and trigger Mizora Cutscene but do not go into MT fully yet, you don't want to trigger any internal cutscenes. FINAL PART: Warp back to goblin camp, back to Minthara. TURN ON TURN BASED MODE. Swap to Polymorph Sorcerer, use extended spell and Polymorph on Minthara. This should turn her into a sheep. SAVE and do the same process with extended spell and dominate beast with sorcerer 2. Now that you have sheepthara, swap to her in character select and you'll need to be quick. Turn off turn based combat and warp to Moonrise Towers waypoint. THE MOMENT YOU LOAD IN, TURN ON TURN BASED COMBAT AGAIN. Now with your MC with high strength, use improvised weapon and pickup sheepthara. Click as far as possible to move with her but cancel the throw a bit short. (Do this by holding circle on console) Once you run out of movement, you need to cancel turn based mode and reactivate it quick. Alongside your MC, make sure you move your Ranger ahead so they can open the doors for you. They'll do the dialogue checks with the soldiers at the door and open both the front door and the inner double doors leading into the throne area. (Once they've opened the door to Kethric. Move the Ranger to the side, away from Ketheric as to avoid joining any cutscenes.) Back to MC, keep improvise throwing sheepthara and cancelling before slam until you reach the throne room. Aim her between the two pews as you go through the inner double doors leading to Ketheric. Finally, you should be in a cutscene where sheepthara baahs her innocence- convince them to give leniency. During this point swap to Ranger again and go down to the prison floor. AVOID THE THRONE ROOM OR YOU'LL BE PULLED INTO DIALOGUE WITH THE RANGER ASWELL. In the prison cellar, turn left as soon as you go down, that door leads to where Minthara will be teleported. Return to MC and finish her dialogue and then swap to Ranger again. As Ranger, wait for polymorph to wear off and as soon as you see her transform back, she'll run, either turn on turn based mode or quickly speak to the Duergar captors to initiate her interrogation. You'll need to convince them that you'll be taking over the interrogation by doing an intial check, then pass an additional check and tell Minthara to play along. FINALE: Minthara should be added to your sidebar as an extra character, tab over to her, she'll be seen floating in air. Open your map and teleport to Moonrise Towers waypoint. This should initiate the final response where she'll have a dialogue with you. Tell her where to find your camp.
Actually, after several runs at this you're better off using heightened spell on your sorcerers to help get the dominate/poly to land. Even if you don't buy up every dimension door scroll you come across on your playthrough, 4 turns is enough to get sheepthara into the throne room with a single hasted barbarian. I also recommend using shadowheart to cast bestow curse on minthara, targeting wisdom, which will give you an even better chance of landing your subsequent poly/dominate, since they're both wis saves.
The barrier of entry to get her is already too high. I thought it best to free people up of consciously looking for additional items and just set up and enjoy the rest of the game. Only needing to detour at an organic point right before leaving the mountain pass. Too many variables add complications on complications. The chance of getting poly and dominate isn't bad on base. 50% 25% it ends up being the hardest thing to do but worth it for the wiggle room. All it requires is 3 Hirelings and 4 respecs and 10 more minutes to pull it off. Which I would assume is a fair trade.
I used this today, it seems to work pretty smoothly, I got three hirelings and the hill giant strength club to avoid respecing my Tav. Bit of practise, bit of video watching and it went smoothly.
@@PresindentofPain Really happy for you! Lmk if I missed anything. Also as a bonus, you can get additional buffs w minthara since you're early in act 2. So have fun with building shenaningans. If you want a fire bleed build possible go down to booal now and sacrifice a pleb. [Wish this could be Gale] but a different pleb for increased damage on bleeding opponents iirc. She's super fun with soul branding. Edit: Things that may be useful- go use Astarion or any rogue thief etc to pop invis back at the Druid Grove and steal the idol of Sylvanus- perma buff to survival and animal handling iirc. Since you've already completed the questline, you should be fine to steal and deceive the guard. Another few POIs before Act lockout is Zhentarim hideout, back of the area theres two chests to steal from. One has Metal for Karlach. Can be then used for helldusk armour in Act 2. If you're playing monk or want bling go to the rightside of the forge and find the lava golem, there should be a broken building with a monk's amulet haunted by a ghost. Just adds extra flavour because you can speak with it.
I wish we could tell the tieflings to hide in our camp and then send the raid against the druids. I mean, multiple druids try to kill you, when the raid arrives they don’t even try to defend the front gate, and even if you save them they still blame you.
Which druids try to kill the party? Some of them are more or less hostile, but not entirely without reason. Kagha, suddenly becoming responsible for grove lose herself to whispers of Shadow Druids. At the same she isn't rotten and is easily convinced that her way is wrong. Should you call her monster replies with quite valid point "you see monster, I see mother protecting her own". Unfit for leadership? Yes. Evil? Not really. Or maybe you mean the druids who are threatened by Anabelle's parents? Their daughter was indeed treated too harshly. Still, druid nerves were strained and many voiced discontent on the way thief-ling was treated. Or maybe healer Nettie? Someone who sees no less than four ticking bombs, which could at any moment sprout tentacles and start blasting everyone around. Evil druds my ass.
It still works, but for me Minthara spawns outside the cells. So you have to wait until she and the guards escort her into the room. After she gets into position, she immediately make a beeline outside and despawns, so you have to enter turn based mode and hit her the moment she starts running.
I'm always a bit conflicted between allowing the player to do absolutely everything they want VS if you do this, you can't do this other thing. ofc the first one is more fun and one could say more relaxed but the second one definitely makes it more realistic and actually makes you think about your choices and their possible consequences.
Or you just make another quest more viable. When she probes your mind it should be apparent that she (and many others of the absolute) are merely being puppeteered by their tadpoles. Omeluum gives you a ring of mind shielding and says verbatim it helps him avoid the detection and sway of elder brains. So you just need to find a way to stick the ring on her finger, maybe with a sleight of hand check or even a funny bard(performance) check. You try to antagonize her into pointing at you or something (maybe a map to where the grove is) and in that moment you put it on her. She immediately drops to the ground knocked out. Then Act 2 happens as usual if she lives. As it stands the cost to obtaining her is just too high. You cut out a good portion of the game, which is good for 2nd playthroughs. But in the play through where you side with her, very little is added in its place. Karlach/Wyll/Halsin storylines gone, tiefling interactions gone. Like if you could get the Drider as a replacement companion for all the lost lines it'd be worth it. but 1 for 3 (maybe 4 if you don't convince Gale). Worst trade deal in the history of trade deals, maybe ever.
I kind of like this approach to do anything. A little janky yes, but I like the essence of changing the way things panned out. I don't see any reason you couldn't get the two as it's kind of a wrong place at the wrong time rather than these two characters hate each other on a fundamental level
Absolutely this. People forget that this is a DnD campaign and that detracts so much magic from the game. Actions beget consequences and stuff like this just ... Well if I was the DM, I'd be looking for the next thing that could cause a party wipe. There's absolutely no way it makes sense for Minthara to be freed from her mind control unless there's a way to create a bond between the PC and Minthara otherwise we would have seen the Prism release EVERY SINGLE person under the influence of the 'Absolute' along our way. Now people expect us to run with a story where we meta game our knowledge that Minthara is a 'good' person (Whereas, she's just not.) and we free some random Drow paladin from the Absolute's control because? What? Because we know OoC'ly that she can become a companion.
Going to give this a try! Does anyone know if there's a specific order for killing Priestess Gut? The vid explains the deal with Minthara/Ragzlin really well, so I'm just curious.
If anyone is curious this works on Patch 4. Durge playthrough but keeping Tieflings alive for their unique gear.(Removed spoilers in edit) I used lvl 7 Hirelings for the required spells(Sorc+Druid). Extended Polymorph to 10 turns, Drank hill giant Elixer to do improvised weapon walk. I hit Minthara but since I started with her as “Temporary Hostile” when I originally KO’d her she did not enter combat I simply talked my way out of it. For those who have never done this when talking to the guards you need to enter her mind, do not just fight them or text prompt to fight else she remains a zombie.
Well, there is already a mod for that, it just makes the game think Minthara survived Act 1 regardless of whether she died or not which kinda makes sense, waking up after being beaten unconscious is a failure for which she could be judged,
@mareczek00713 I know, but I'm computer illiterate, so installing mods is a very daunting task for me. Also I worry that it'll corrupt my saves or something.
Honestly the fact that players are making these complicated methods should signal to larian what people want. It makes no sense why knocking out minthara would count as her dying and not triggering her going to moonrise instead.
All this for one character and Larian should know what people want? That’s just people being fucking miserable at this point. It makes no sense why I can’t romance the fucking squirrel or the tree I saw after crash landing. Jesus. What else do you need?
@@thatoneguy9816 Comparing a squirrel and a tree to a companion character who can already be recruited? Really? Talk about a "bad faith" tactic. Also, people are pretty vocal about not wanting to be evil to recruit her. Especially on Larian's own forums. The same forums that people were vocal about giving Karlach a better ending on, that Larian obviously read before making the according changes to Karlach's ending options.
@@DaBlackX Talk about being a miserable fuck. You don’t always get what you want. You’re mad because you can’t romance a character? Really? Bear you fuck, but a tree or a squirrel is unrealistic lol? What game did you make again?
This is actually insane! How tf do people come up with this stuff lol... I tried to come up with a way of recruiting both Minthara and Halsin during my playthrough but gave up pretty quick when I realised it was more trouble than it was worth (given that my MC was a Paladin anyways). I'd have cured world hunger though before I came up with this though, amazing really.
Knocking out enemies and long resting removes them after, im on pc. Reading the stat knocked out says they disappear after long rest so im assuming they made a patch or something and knocking out enemies is the same as killing them now.
Considering how much everyone wants to save the grove and keep Minthara we need an official patch to make it possible without a method like this. I think it should be as simple as knocking her out and then wiping out the goblin camp without advancing the day. Hard enough to take real effort but doable without so many hoops.
I've heard it was originally intended to be, but they changed it because otherwise playing an evil character would mean gaining one companion and losing two, but playing a good character would mean keeping both and gaining another. I think it's kinda silly though. If you're a good guy it makes a lot more sense to give Minthara a chance to redeem herself.
To get Minthara, I killed the everyone in the grove, lost wyll and karlach, also killed halsin, pushed shadowheart to become a dark justiciar, murdering everyone in lastlight (losing jaheira). I managed to convince Gale to stay. but I lost 4 characters so far to get her hahaha. Still need to see in act 3 if I can recruit minsc or if he is lost as well
@@cooterface4114 Ah right, that tiny elf. I forgot. ... Actually I forgot cause I haven't gotten to play the game yet, just watched way too many videos to the point where i'm probably not going to enjoy it as much whenever I eventually get to play it. XD
And here i am doing an even more difficult 3-step process to recruit her without killing the tieflings. 1. Get a pc. 2. Install a mod. 3. Save drow mommy
a wood elf monk thief with crushers ring might not even need dimension door at all and could possibly just use improvised weapon especially if use extended spell
I didn't use this method but I recruited minthara and halsin with a mod and they don't talk to each other at all, but they use the same tent which is funny they look like a family especially when thaniel is there too
@@kallavera say.... i play act one with another chara right now, and there is a spot at the goblincsmp, at the rune circle, where there is a woman picture behind a big tree right beside it. If i try to attack it, there is this 0 damage simbol as if you hit a door then. How do i open that up?
i dont think its a door; there is no perception check associated with it, and its not unique in the camp. reddit seems to think its either leftover content for something that wasnt added or potentially setup for future dlc content.@@purydango
Larian out here being the first game to make a good companion that you can only get on the evil path and folks out here like "could you just not make her evil for me plz, I NEED DRINK uWu"
I'm hoping you can verify this information but apparently saving Minthara can change up the flags and triggers for parts of the game at least for the mods. For example, Zevlor will not be in the mindflayer pods in the case of the mod that makes Minthara recruitable after defeating her. Just wondering if you can confirm this with your Sheep heist, whether Zevlor can be found in the mindflayer pods. Also, can Cal and Lia be found in the prison after you complete your Act 1 stuff.
Zevlor not being in the tadpoling centre is just a bug that can happen sometimes. I got it in my first (unmodded) run where I was playing a good character. In my Daughter of Lolth run though, it didn't happen and I was able to save him and the fists with Minthara in the party.
I was looking for a way to keep Dammon alive while being evil and this is quite the hoop to jump through. I think I’ll just save the grove and justify it by betraying them at Last Light after getting their good loot (need that Flawed Helldusk baby)
Virgin good aligned player: "I demand Minthara without having to adjust my moral compass in the slightest😭" Chad evil enjoyer: "I wanted Dammon alive for the loot 😎"
You justify siding with the Grove as evil by figuring out that the Absolute cult is your enemy. Why would a sane character actively side with their enemy against a neutral/friendly party?
Saving them actually has so many benefits not that it should matter to a evil playthrough but you get Damon, and Mattis as consistent traders all throughout the game, Damon sells you a bow that lets cast Haste for free, Zevlor helps you in the final battle so does Arabella actually not to mention Arabella also teaches you a unique spell, and Rolan if you count him as well helps you in a boss fight in act 3 and as well as helps you against the final boss yoo
did they change how non-letal damage works? when i played, knocking someone out like that and then long-resting just made them disappear from the game. i used non-lethal damage on true soul Gut, and then she just kind of vanished and i never saw her again.
A truly sheeptacular heist, b(r)aa-vo! And simultaneously, so sad that players have to do all this just because Larian-"OMG, the devs actually thought of this!"-Studios cba to make the non-lethal takedown function they themselves added...actually work, instead of just being a copy paste deathflag that causes more confusions than it solves (looking at you, a certain chappy in Wyll's plotline).
I really would like a canon way to recruit her in a 'good' playthorugh - even if it were really complicated and resulted in her being upset at you or something. It feels like you miss out on so many questlines when doing an evil playthrough in the first two acts.
And there would be a "meaningful choice" in doing that? Let's be honest this game doesnt really "reward" players for doing full evil route, right? But at least they had rare companion, Drow paladin baddy. Giving players ability to recruit her regardless of goblin/tieflings choice kinda makes this decision a no brainer, and a lot of people would not even think of trying evil playthrough. Tbf I wish more companions were more sensitive about player's choices and it was harder to recuit them and easier to lose them, or recruiting one would lead to losing the other.
I quite agree. I don't really get why Lae'zel is so easy to get but Minthara so hard and so binding. Betraying the grove means losing Karlack, Wyll and Halsin just for Minthara. Also all quests linked to the tieflings. Saving her from Highmoon, you can't complete Karlack quest because the teflings are dead and still losing Halsin so missing on the shadow quest. While having Minthara in an "evil" "gray" playthrough, just means having her with, there isn't more depth to the story. What's the point of freeing her from the Absolute and having her feeling guilt if the game doesn't offer any possibility of redemption ? We should get a side quest to save her at the Goblin Camp (maybe with Halsin's help by having him understand that she's being controlled ?) or even dialogue options either in the Goblin Camp or during the Grove raid so she can try to fight the mindcontrol and get some help from the Artifact ? My Dark Urges playthrough became a story of redemption with Astarion, Shadowheart and Minthara. Except there is nothing for Minthara to win or better herself that way, just revenge... Getting her was so circonvoluted that outside of combat playing with her is a bit of a let down.
Still works, but something changed. When you jump to the character waiting in the interrogation / mind wiping room for Minthara, I saw she no longer reverts to her original form. Had to disable turn based mode for a split second so polymorph could wear off. As soon as it does, re-enable turn base mode as fast as possible. Minthara will try to run out of the room and then disappear. Was able to turn on turn based in time and continue with the video.
As i was (finally) doing this myself, i found a better way other than having a char with strength to continuously pick up and put down with risk of accidentally slamming her. Simply have one of the spellcasters as a Sorcerer, and sacrifice your spell slots to gain a crap ton of Sorcery Points, then you spend all of those onto Spell Slot 4, make sure you memorized Dimensional Door, with all your SP spent on spell slot 4, you should now have 7-9 level 4 spell slots, congratz, you can now teleport yourself and minty the entire way. As for the other spellcaster, make sure they're also a Sorcerer, and pick the Metamagic: Extended Spell this increases Summoning, Surfaces cause by spells, and Conditions Duration, bringing up Polymorph from 5 to 10, giving you all the time in the world. The only "downside" is that you must wait a bit when down in the jail for her Polymorph to end, and be ready on the TBM cause she will book it to somewhere. Also, since it wasn't mentioned in the video, after forcing your mind into hers, do not choose the option to have her fight with you to take out the guards, this will glitch her and she will be stuck in neutral mode.
It appears to still work according to someone who did it 19 hours ago but by mentioned even by the person who did this video it is a very finicky process so save often and tweak the process every now and again and see if you get to work
Yeah actually can one of you two either I'm tired or stick bug say exactly what your issue is because I have found an issue with her disappearing after the 3 leaders being defeated in the shattered sanctum that long rest spot.
In my game it happened differently. When I got to the part about taking the minthara (sheep) to the castle, when I arrived at the gate, her trial scene had already started and the game prevented me from changing characters. So I selected the option of manipulating to convince that Minthara was innocent, and continued choosing the options favorable to her. After that I went to the prison where she has shift mode active, in this part I did the same as the video, attack everyone inside, I became invisible and left the room, after that the scene started normally to rescue her.
what happens at camp? halsin and minthara have the same location for their tents when at the camp but if they're both recruited do they glitch into eachother?
To everyone like me watching this guide and hoping it still works; it does, albeit partially. So, bascally I did everything up until the moment where you switch to the character meant to aggro Minthara. This is where things took an ominous turn. I thought Larian had patched this away BUT turns out I only had to go through the Karlach convincing Z'rell to show mercy a times trying to time it correctly somehow essentially allowing Minthara to spawn in the interrogation room. She spawned outside many times but eventually she appeared where she should but in a very strange half polymorphed sheep/drow form. Nevertheless, I attempted the method this guide showcases. This time it worked as intended. I finished the interrogation dialogue, convincing the interrogators that I was sent to take over the interrogation and then told Minthara to play along. After this I finished Karlach and the Goblins cutscene + dialogue, walked out of MT with her. I then proceeded to group the 3 characters I still had in the prison area and escorded Minthara outside of MT and convinced her to wait for me at camp. She is now an available companion and Halsin as well. I attempted to talk to Halsin as Minthara but that resulted in my custom character taking her place, starting to talk to him, but still, neither of them seem to be affected by the presence of the other. I don't know if I got lucky and somehow timed all of the necessary steps precisely so it bypassed some proposed patch I see people talking of but anyhow, it works, at least it did for me. Cheers :) !
To be honest, I don't really care about Minthara, she's just the reward for going evil (which tbh is not that good compared to everything you lose -- Wyll, Karlach, Dammon, Halsin, and almost Gale if you don't suceed in your rolls). Going the evil route is cutting out way more people, hence I'd argue that we need more evil side content (Z'Rell would be good).
Imagine if for an evil playthrough, Dror Ragzalin acted as a Barbarian stand-in for Karlach, Gut acted as a Warlock stand-in for Wyll, Z'rell acted as a general stand-in for Jaheira, and a parasitized Minsc could act as a stand-in for...Minsc.
In my second run through and today I went back to the goblin camp to go into the underdark. Thought I'd check in on unconscious Minthara since I took 2 long rests (one after killing the gobbies / campsite party and one after saving Mayrina) and Minthara is gone. Hopefully I'll find her at Moonrise Towers when I get there but who knows. Has this happened to anyone?
If you ask me, more allies should be recruited by Karlach pretending to suplex a sheep multiple times
A persuasive argument
Considering almost everyone in the party love Karlach even Minthara I believe she can
"Tell us, Minthara. How fared the raid against the grove?"
"Well, first a True Soul turned me into a sheep..."
It's amazing Larian animated the Sheepthara scene, and proves it was a path definitely sketched out on a whiteboard in their offices somewhere
Awkwardly tilted, motionless sheep animated... bruh
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@@Romczy redditor speak for you missed a joke
With the number of ways people have found to save both Minthara and the Tieflings, you'd think Larian would just bite the bullet and make it a feature rather than trying to knock down every new method.
Wait what? They patch these options out? Really? Also how can you recruit her and halsin is this fixed?
Ye i really would like a "redemtion" arc for minthara. So you can choose to let her flee the goblin camp, and than recruit and redeem her later. Out of all the freedom Larian gave us in this game, why not that? I guess time will tell.
@@klavicus2276 There was another method to have both Halsin and Minthara, but Larian patched that method out and added a trigger that if Minthara ever entered the camp, Halsin would immediately die. Don't know if this method is affected by that patch given that the video came out after it, but given Larian's past actions they might patch this method out as well.
Really just need to let her show up there if you non lethal her and long rest, period.
Should be simple: knock Minthara out instead of killing her and her judgement/cutscene happens as normal
“The sheep will be judged”
I would love to have the option "Spare the tieflings and I help you to destroy the Druids Grove"
Yeah this what I was hoping would be possible. Or like trick her and send her to the wrong place and she gets judged cos she fucked up her task.
I'd love a timeline where the Tieflings are all recruited into the cult :o)
Hell yeah, fuck them druids. If it was an option to get Minthara and save the Tieflings I'd choose it every time.
I'm honestly kind of confused as to why this isn't an option since no one in the goblin camp seems to even be aware of the Tiefling situation until running into it and just want to raid the druid grove in their search for the Astral Prism (that they think is the Silvanus idol due to having literally no details as to wtf they're looking for). Would make a lot of sense to either broker a deal or convince Zevlor to pretend to adhere to the Absolute as a means to get safe passage out of the grove as a neutral option over the evil one to massacre the grove or the good one to defend it.
Because let's be real here: most of the druids are assholes. They are unironically less likable than the freaking goblins.
Honestly my only complaint about bg3, was that lack of that option
I think the way they should make minthara recruitable is as follows: you have to take her to the grove and then beat her party WITHOUT killing her. Then a conversation should play out between zevlor and tav in which you debate whether or not minthara should be left alive under the tieflings' care as they venture to baldurs gate (could also have her be brought over during the party scene and left in the ruined tower, giving you a chance to speak to her and make sense of the mush in her brain). Once you meet up with the tiefs in last light they inform you they lost zevlor as usual but that in the midst of the fighting minthara managed to escape, letting ketheric interrogate her as usual once she makes it back to moonrise. Still makes you jump through a few hoops but imo this is a really good way to let people play with minthara without sacrificing so so much :D
totally agree! Its so sad that in order to get minthara you have to kill all tieflings, cant get halsin, lose will and karlach... and almost lose gale. i like the idea that some companions lock others out but to lock so many out if you want minthara is just too much in my opinion
This used to be somewhat do able.. but they patched it as she ultimately won't have the moment she needs unless you do kill the grove.
My thought was that you could tell Minthara where the Grove is and then eliminate the all the enemies at the Temple of Selune while she's gone. You rush back to aid in the defence of the Grove either by attacking the Goblins from outside the walls or by sneaking in one of the back entrances. Upon the defeat of her forces, it can play out a few different ways.
1) Minthara falls in combat.
2) Minthara is captured prior to retreating and is executed.
3) Minthara is captured and allowed to flee.
4) MInthara is able to retreat prior to being captured.
If Minthara lives through the battle and is able to escape, she returns to the Temple of Selune to find Razglin, Priestess Gut and any potential reinforcements that she could use to assault the Grove a second time dead. This forces her to abandon the area and flee to Moonrise Tower where the story continues as normal. This allows you to play a good character, defend the Grove and potentially recruit Minthara later.
I too like the idea that some companions lock others out, the Haslin/Minthara portion works well into the story, but , and this is AFAIK at this point, I don't like Jaheira and Minsc being an "all or nothin" package deal.
My first battle at Light's Hope, Jaheira's dumb ass got beat down dead to the mobs that fly into the building. I never did check if she was able to be resurrected actually, because I reloaded that fight for another reason (Didn't even know Jaheira was a PC at that point, I did my first play through completely blind with NO internet)
Personally I'm not a fan at all of "cheese", borderline exploitive play, or MEGA-TURBO-DURKA-LOL-500DMGTURN builds in the game (at least how it sits now with Tactician being the highest difficulty, which is essentially only a HardER mode for Act 1 and 2, and then act 3 there's so much mEgAcHeEsE builds and gear, that it invalidates the difficulty level
tl;dr I'm cool with a choice between Minthara or Halsin, but not cool with only being able to get Minsc if I bring Jaheira along at the right moment (Unless that's not correct, which I actually don't know, seems like it though)
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I'm perfectly OK with her current path to recruitment. It's just that, even though she loves you and everything you've become, and TALKS as if you're in a relationship, you don't have the options available with EVERY OTHER romanceable companion: kisses, being able to settle down with them when the story is over, etc.
If someone has to go to this many steps just to recruit her while being a good person, all the while not being able to romance her. Then maybe Larian Studios should just give players the opportunity to snap her out of her mindcontrol during act 1 and let her be in the party as well.
OR, or, they could leave Minthara as a "Bad Guy Run Exclusive", since this game is about choices and consequences, and you don't need to have everything available at all times, and evil runs are already severely lacking in content compared to good guy runs.
@@anibalgleza407 i get ur point but making her available for the good playthrough doesnt rob the evil one of its content does it? I think itd be nice to have more options
I've long advocated for her to be recruitable canonically, but now that we have this absolutely bananas method I kind of hope they make it the default. Although I definitely prefer to get my companions in Act 1 so you can build your party early.
So we half to knock her out and then kill the hobgoblin and then long rest before you go to her
Agreed!
it speaks to the quality of the character that people would even go through the effort of trying this.
she's definitely the cutest war criminal I know
Minthara is the drow we all wanted to see!
People spend literally hundreds of thousands of dollars on digital wifu in “free to play” games and it doesn’t speak any quality about those wifu, only how mentally ill some people can be.
But this? It’s just people exploiting a game, trying to find ways to break rules, trying to solve problems in order to feel good about how skilled and smart they are. It’s pretty normal.
I removed karlach from my group, made the goblins and tieflings fight each other because I didn’t wanna fight them and I went back to camp and Karlach left and I just couldn’t do it 😂 I reloaded and saved Minthara in moonrise towers
It doesn't. Montara foesnt have a lot going for her as a party member as she has no quest beyond her recruitment.
The reason people have done this is because it's challenging and requires outside-the-box thinking.
Perfectly straightforward. I thought everyone did Acts 1 and 2 this way already.
This is clearly intended by Larian
Obviously its in the manual, but people nowadays dont read those
It's so obvious.
I missed this completely, I spent the whole game trying to marry the Pixie after I saw the light.
Weird flex, but ok.
I made this a bit easier by doing the following:
1) Respec a companion you don't normally use to sorcerer. Choose the EXTEND spell metamagic. Use this character to do the polymorph - that way you have 10 turns of poly instead of 5.
2) Once at moonrise, I also used this characters sorcery points to recover a lvl 4 spell slot - and then used that for 1 dimension door.
3) I also respec'd another companion again as sorcerer purely for dimension door.
4) Using the above, meant I had 3x dimension door and a 10 turn poly using 2 characters and no scrolls.
5) I use Lazel as my fighter as Eldritch Knight so I kept them in the minthara rescue team for long strider
6) finally the 4th character used dominate beast. For the purpose I had my cleric go nature for that, but you could use a druid which would also net you long strider as well.
7) On the final step in the cell, I actually had the MM do 3 damage - exactly enough to break sheep and have minthara still be neutral. So I don't have to go invis and hide afterwards, I just talked to hte guard to start the final dialogue.
8) I did all of act 1, which made me level 7. Went straight to moonrise via mountain pass. I always kill the drider and use the pixie to protect agains the shadow curse.
Hirelings are really good for the respecs. For example, I have a hireling transmutation wizard with high medicine, I use him for alchemy (doubles the output). He’s never even left my camp lmao
*character's
you know you don't have to have the person casting Longstrider in your party, just have them join the party in camp, have them cast Longstrider on everyone, then remove them from the party.
*You
@@adamskeans2515I always have a hireling in camp who's sole purpose is to use as many buff spells on the four of us as possible lol. By the end of the game I'm using Hero's Feast, 5th level Aid, Protection From Poison, and Longstrider on everyone
ok larian has react to this, the hoops people jump through to get her without being evil is getting to insane levels.
Nah, If you want to change fate in your favor, you will have to work realy hard for it.
Hard agree. This definitely gives me Tabletop vibes in terms of the party rules-lawyering their way into getting their way, and I'm 100% here for it.
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@@numbskullgaming3638 oh i have no problem with minthara being the way she is, but absuing the meachnics like that cant be the way. i say if so many people want a possiblity to get her, let them.
She is written by the devs(technically the DM in this situation) to be an evil character. The ability to turn her into a good one is meant to be extremely difficult yet not impossible. They did this on purpose. Im okay with it as we the gamers entire job is to break the game written a certain way, its why DND is so good because its supposed to be a puzzle in the end with hard decisions to make. Minthara wasnt a good character turned evil, she is a character that is fully aware of what she is doing. Shes not actually brainwashed, she wanted power lol
@@randomrandom7208Hard disagree, you shouldn't need to go through these hoops when KNOCKING HER OUT! Should be all that is required for this seen, cause you literally do not kill her and she fails her mission and goes back to Moonrise and gets judged and you save her as a good character, perhaps add two options, one, where you knocked her out without knowing who did it, or one where she knows you knocked her out to stop the assault on the Grove where you need to do a deception, persuasion or intimidation check to convince the people there and gas-light the shit out of her.
That is just madness. You must be placing her where the game expects to find her if certain conditions are met- it thinks all the previous conditions were met, so it just keeps going!
Its REALLY worth it. Minthara is one of the best companions, and in this game, that is a really high bar.
all dev gotta do is move that a bit away and modders will have to find it again lol
@@sasukedarkwolfnah, modders will just probably mod in a way to recruit all companions eventually .
@@darklegion1783I think they already have
So through a similar method I found a way to get her in the throne room without being hostile or polymorphed, and the exploit does not work. Seems like the devs expected players to find ways to force her into the room, so she is set to run away immediately and not trigger the cutscene no matter where you put her. However, having her polymorphed and under player control somehow bypasses that intended fix, and the cutscene triggers as shown in the video.
I'm wheezing at the sheep yelling at Kethric
imo the problem isn't even that you have to kill the tieflings/let them die for minthara. it's that you miss out on 3-4 companions (karlach, wyll, halsin, potentially gale) & a huge amount of side quests in return for 1 companion who doesn't have much content (and whose existing content is bugged out)
of course, i am willing to make such sacrifices for her. but i understand why others are hesitant.
When they do the enhanced edition they absolutely need to add a legit way to recruit minthara as a good character.
Yeah I feel like there should be just a way she enters when you decide to non-lethal her during the goblin camp raid. It makes no sense that she just disappears...
Yea or a way to not lose 3 companions as a bad one.
What u write don't make sense.Good vs evil is a matter of projection, Minthara was brainwashed and puppet in the hands of the Absolute, but she was never good character and that is ok.
@@dododimitrov9657 the OP wasn't saying they want Minthara to be a good character, they were saying they want good characters to be able to recruit Minthara without wiping out the grove and losing Wyll, Karlach, and Halsin
Why? This is what's called a meaningful choice. Why are we eliminating meaningful choices that make playthroughs unique and interesting?
This is the funniest thing to come out of the BG3 community.
Jesus lmao sheep Minthara in Moonrise cut scene is hilarious
Thank you for the full video! The post looked really complex but seeing it done, it's pretty straight forward and you made it very easy to follow along. Saving this for later!
Have you succeeded in replicating this method? I failed, there is no way to recruit it
@@MadGanso-gx3ce It's not necessary anymore, they added a way to just knock out Minthara to recruit her. You must KO her when she is "temporarily hostile" (steal something off her desk) and do the tiefling party the same day while she is KO'd.
I rescued Halsin but left him there, stealth killed gut, then did a long rest. Next day I KO'd Minthara, killed Ragzlin, and did the tiefling party all in the same day.
I have tried both of these methods (sheep method and temporary hostile method) but failed, I rescued Minthara to the safe zone in shadowcursedlane, but nothing happened, she couldn't talk and she always followed me, without being able to enter the camp
8:40 "The sheep WILL be judged..." I'M DEAD
EDITED comment: Unfortunately, it appears that patch 4 of the game closed down this exploit. I was able to dimension door sheep-thara into the right position (after so many attempts), & was able to get her down to the interrogation chamber. However, even when I struck her with minimal damage, & talked my way out of the assault charge, the interrogators simply wouldn't begin to torture her, & Minthara just stood there (didn't even try to begin combat w/ me). Additionally, even though I had the quest marker to visit Minthara before her execution, I couldn't click on her to begin the dialogue. Moreover, as soon as the audience hall dialogue w/ the general ended & I finished deciding the goblins' fate, Minthara simply runs away & disappears, she is able to disappear EVEN IF I cast arcane lock on the interrogation room door. I then got a quest completion notification saying "we helped Minthara escape Moonrise towers, she elected to go her own way". How disappointing after spending all these resources... I wish Larian would let us just have this one & reward us for player ingenuity, but apparently no such luck.
Not true, just did this on patch 4. Have Halsin in camp and Minthara in my party. I believe, so long as I don't dismiss both of them from my party, all will be fine as well. However all be warned, if you have both Halsin and Minthara and have neither in your party, one will die, usually Halsin. I'm not sure why this happens or if it can be prevented but I'm not trying to test it atm.
Did you notice any differences between what you did and the video? Or were there any instances of having to time things just right? I'm doing it just like the video rn and it's not working (in the same way as @GMATveteran ) so if you do happen to remember I'd love to know
@@amandaw2133 No none at all besides having respec'd a single character to sorcerer for the fight so they could extend my polymorph spell. I'll say that the placement on the sheep between the two pews is very precise, and once she's in the cell getting the exact results seen in the video can take a few attempts and just fenagling tbh. I had to ultimately skip quite a few turns after reloading and opting not to follow the exact instructions, the exact turn she became a human again I used a cantrip (Thorn whip I think) and it agro'd her. From there I invis'd like the vid, left the room and re-entered and the cutscene began. No bugs either, as well Halsin and Minthara both remain alive in camp even after multiple long rests and major plot points! We'll see if moving to act 3 kills either of them however.
@@lildeadwalker7893 Cool, thank you for the response! I'll give it another go👍
@@lildeadwalker7893 I just recruited her on the most recent patch using the glitch. Beelined it to that, so I haven't completed Halsin's recruitment quest yet. Any idea if it is only an issue with he becomes a true companion rather than just being at camp?
A bit of a wild idea what Larian COULD do, but hear me out:
The option to knock someone out is used as such in a handful of situations, in all other situations the NPC is considered dead (including Minthara).
My idea now: Larian, make it so that optionally recurring NPCs that are knocked out are actually knocked out, come back to consciousness at a certain point, disappear from the original map, and reappear at the next point. Makes it a necessity to cast a healing spell on the unconscious NPC to get them to their destination in one piece.
I mean, what's the point of having the option to knock out NPCs if it's really relevant in maybe 4 or so cases? I know Larian won't read this, but I question the logic behind having this mechanic.
some enemy explodes if you kill it. knock them out could prevent that. but it also quite rare.
and I agree with you , this mechanic should have more impact on the story line.
As is, knocking someone out mostly feels like a flavor/rp thing. Like choosing to kill major antagonists who won’t relent while sparing random goblins you take pity on.
On a side note, why is it when one player in a multiplayer group toggles the non-lethal on or off, it forces their choice on everyone else? This was not the case in early access.
I agree. I thought of knocking her out, but then I read she dies still.
Well, not that I would care much in my first playthrough anyway. There are always more playthroughs to complete in the future.
@dammer001 And it should do it’s proper purpose.
So for the people who are having an issue with her disappearing after a long rest, apparently the issue is that you need to sucker punch her to get the Temporarily Hostile status on her. If you start the fight by talking to her it won't work correctly.
Ah, is that why. I know if you don't attack her in the cell, in my runs at least, she'll run off. Once you've pinged her for a couple damage she'll go hostile and then you can talk your way out of the arrest and invis your way out of the fight.
Thank you!!!
You did what I googled extensively to find an option for. This is the exact kind of abuse I strive for as a person, and you pulled it off with flying colors. Well done, my dude.
the video had my like. but when you casually talked about using minthara while poly'd as an improvised weapon... thats when i decided to comment as well!
If you are on PC, there is a mod that you can use to recruit Minthara.
That being said, it's amazing that you can do this and an amazing find. It also speaks highly of Minthara and her character that this would even be done.
Okay I truly admire the people for finding the logistical loop allowing this to happen but I'm just going to install the mod and be done with it.
Hi, this still works after patch 4 - just did it tonight.
Nice. Fresh playthrough?
Or you could use a potion of speed to use two dimensional door casts per turn. BA isn't used otherwise, so you can just pop another one to avoid lethargy
Taking a monk hireling for the increased move speed is also an option especially equipped with Crusher Ring.
Just a couple extra things that can speed it up.
popping a 2nd potion triggers lethargy as the old potion counts as wearing off
Popping multiple speed pots to escape lethargy sounds so much like me drinking more to prevent hangover lmao
This STILL works too. As of today. Just did it. Got minthara and wyll,and Karlach. 👍🏿
"Use Minthara as an improved weapon"
I died.
Thank you so much for this guide, it was extremely helpful and allowed me to save Minthara on my redemption durge :)
Glad to help.
thank you, had to try a lot of times but it worked out in the end
I did this over the past week and finally made it to moonrise today. Im playing on the ps5 though so i was having a lot of trouble when it came to getting her in front of ketheric.
What i had to do was bring at least 2 sorcerers. One with dominate beast, the other with extend spell polymorph. I only had one scroll for dimension door so, they each had that as a spell as well.
After i teleport her to moonrise as a dominated beast, i used dimension door and move her as far along the bridge as i could. Second turn, i have some one open the door, expend sorcery points to get a 4th level spell slot and then dimension door again inside the building.
I then had to spend 2 turns expending lvl 3 spell slots to get another 4th level spell so i can dimension door right in front of ketherics throne room.
I then used the dimension door scroll and analyzed the video to see where exactly she needs to be placed. Nailed it.
The cutscene started and she was good to go and I was able to enact the next steps.
That attempt was after an hour and a half of failing to throw and drop her exactly where needed because i didnt have the luxury of using a pc. But this worked for me on ps5 so, hopefully it helps others.
I then had the door opening character run to the interrogation room.
I also learned if you don't run to the interrogation room while the cutscene is ongoing, she will not be in the interrogation room. She just disappears at that point.
after i long rest Minthara is gone...
I think it got patched out
@@zeroescape i watched another video that explains better, theres an order to attack the goblins, Minthara has to be the first one!
the fact that this is even possible is amazing
The fact that he just keeps calmly explaing through 8:39 like it's not hilarious
Just wanted to let everyone know This still works!
I did this today on PS5
I had already reached lvl 7 Druid by doing Act 1, and The Mountain Pass area. (Which gave me access to Polymorph/Dominate Beast)
I had one character use an Polymorph scroll (I had 2)
Then my character that would be using Dimension door used Dominate Beast.
I saved up 6 Dimension door scrolls
Which made it to where I didn’t have to throw Sheep Minthara. 🐑
I did have to use my second Polymorph scroll because I got scared I would run out!
And I dimensioned doored right between the pillars like OP said and instantly got cut scene!
The characters that didn’t get put into the cut scene went into the interrogation room, after hitting Minthara once and getting the guard to talk to me she wasn’t hostile any more so I didn’t end up needing to go invisible.
Just left the room and brought down the cut scene characters and Boom 💥 got her!
🙌🏼
how about Halsin?
Is he okay?
@@ruinedlucifer3764 so late to reply, but yes He was fine. ❤
Very impressive. Well thought out. 👏
This game is so full of weird and creative ways of doing things, it is almost like this table top game called Dungeons & Dragons in which me and mates did unorthodox problem solving like this (as long as our GM allowed it).
Jeez, whenever I get around to being able to play this game I think I'm just gonna use a mod. Apparently Minthara was supposed to be recruitable on a good run originally but they changed it to balance the fact that there otherwise would be no companions an evil character could get that a good character couldn't. Kinda silly though. If you're evil enough to do what's needed for her to survive then it doesn't really seem to make sense to not be evil enough to abandon her to her fate.
You can pick up corpses. Imagine if you could pick up an unconscious Minthara, take her back to the Grove, and question her. Then after the assault on the goblin camp, you decide to let her live because reasons, only to later find her at Moonrise Towers, where she is subjected to torture and you have the opportunity to save her. Despite taking everything from her AND getting her into this shit position, you're also the one who gets her out. And without anywhere else to go, she (begrudgingly) joins you and your party.
Jesus, well kudos to whoever figured out that convoluted process. I bookmarked this in case I want to give it a try sometime. But I probably won't, lol.
Thanks for this!
They should just make it like she escapes we find her in the towers prison directly when we go there and then with some convincing make her not tell we were the ones that killed the others and have her join us
Would be a nice banter between her and the druid Halsin :D
Non leathal damage was fixed? Finally!
never ever delete this ever. i know its outdated. but i just discovered this old method and its hysterical and we GOTTA preserve this history lmfao
why did I fail in this method?
Thanks for this.
8:38 oh my God dude that caught me off guard so bad 😂😂😂😂😂 Jesus Christ
This is very convoluted, but a creative way to recruit Minthara. I'd like to see Larian provide an option in settings players can activate to allow recruitment of all companions or not. That way, those who want to can recruit whoever they want, and those who want the intended experience can just play it without checking that box. It's a win/win.
Minthara was a lot of fun on my dark urge run, never thought I could recruit her and save the grove
Thank you for this.
I just skipped the grove entirely and went to act 2. You get to keep Wyll, Karlach, and Minthara that way.
Yes but this way you get Halsin, the tieflings are still alive and you get Minthara as a companion, if they wanted something else they would have done it like you, but they didn't
Wow this is an insane strat, i used to use Cheat Engine to recruit her easily. Then there is also a mod on nexus, which allows her recruiting and leaves tieflings untouched.
Larian should seriously consider making her recruitable in any sort of playthrough.
What's the mod? That seems easier than this nonsense lol
They should not do such a thing. It should not be possible to recruit party members from opposing factions. Having someone in your party who was literally the prisoner of another one of your party members who was going to kill them makes no narrative sense. Neither of them would allow that. That's why you have to choose normally. Having modded/cheated/exploit options available is a great solution because you have to willingly break the game to do this.
Also, keep in mind that modding your game makes co-op quite difficult and managing separate versions based on your mod setup is non-trivial. (Which is annoying considering there are literally mod manager programs that just can't revert to vanilla).
If you really care about recruiting Minthara and Halsin in one playthrough, this is probably the best option.
If their dialogue/storylines aren't important and you just want their classes, you can always recruit hirelings at level 3 of any class or just respec any companion to be a paladin if that's really what you're after.
@@BigDaddyWes Minthara was only "opposing faction" cause of tadpole brainwashing, which wears off after being in contact with the main character.
I dont see why recruiting all the party members should not be possible.
Minthara is also an interesting character, i would say more interesting than Halsin.
There have been conflicts between the party members anyway. When shadowheart tries to kill Lae'zel.
And here I am just pushing into that crevasse when at the goblin camp. Oh well.
I can also confirm this still works after patch 4. It is worth it.
Checklist for anyone who want's an 'optimised run'.
the vid makes it more complicated then it already is.
Hope this helps on your new runs! You'll have a level 7 group, and all of Act 2 and 3 to use Mint in following the below.
You'll want to complete all Act 1 quests for XP reasons, but not a stern requirement.
Doing so also means you won't miss out on any loot or story.
[CAN BE DONE ON PC & CONSOLE]
Abbreviated instructions but should have everything. Structured in steps.
ACT 1:
Initiate Save Halsin Questline.
Go to goblin camp.
Kill priestess Gut after she takes you to her room.
Speak with Dror Ragzlin and do the dialogue checks- then he'll ask you to speak with Minthara.
IMPORTANT: For Minthara, you need to activate 'non-lethal' damage to incapacitate her.
*Ensure that you take all of her major loot like the Lyre, otherwise you will crash any time you try to load back to Act 1.*
Next turn off non lethal and go murderhobo the rest of the camp, including Dror Ragzlin.
This should complete Halsin's request.
Once you've cleared the Goblin Camp, full rest and check that Minthara is back up and idle.
RECOMMENDED: Play the rest of Act 1, organically. You can do all the other Act 1 Quests.
Afterwards, speak with Halsin at the Grove and he'll tell you to reach the Underdark etc.
[RECOMMENDED: Do all the Underdark questlines and then travel to Waukeen's rest and go to the Gith Creche and complete that storyline aswell.]
BEFORE ENTERING ACT 2:
After defeating the Creche go through the Mountain Pass leading into Act 2. You'll need to bring Elminster back to camp, do some dialogue and rest.
IMPORTANT:
THIS IS WHERE IT'S VERY MUCH REQUIRED YOU SET UP.
Provided you did all the quests. You should be exactly at Level 7.
As a precursor, before you move into Act 2, use this opportunity to either respec your companions or use 3 Hirelings.
You'll need:
2 Sorcerers at Level 7.
They require Metamagic: Extended Spell.
Select the Level 7 spell as Polymorph for one character.
Domimate beast for the other character. Stats and gear do not matter and yes you do need 2 sorcerers!
Ranger is also required for Longstrider and Jump.
Lastly your main character needs to be (respecc'd) into high strength so use a hill giants potion or club of hill giant. Enough to let you carry someone.
ACT 2:
Enter Act 2, speak with Kar'niss and I recommend killing the Drider and taking lantern and letting the fairy go, so you get the permanent buff to avoid shadows.
Then use Ranger and buff everyone with Longstrider and give yourself jump. You want to jump towards Moonrise Towers waypoint.
You don't need to follow the route in the vid, it's unnecessary, just go towards toll house and jump down to Moonrise Towers.
(You can ignore everything else, will not mess any quests up.)
IMPORTANT:
Once you have MT waypoint, quickly inch towards MT and trigger Mizora Cutscene but do not go into MT fully yet, you don't want to trigger any internal cutscenes.
FINAL PART:
Warp back to goblin camp, back to Minthara.
TURN ON TURN BASED MODE.
Swap to Polymorph Sorcerer, use extended spell and Polymorph on Minthara. This should turn her into a sheep.
SAVE and do the same process with extended spell and dominate beast with sorcerer 2.
Now that you have sheepthara, swap to her in character select and you'll need to be quick.
Turn off turn based combat and warp to Moonrise Towers waypoint.
THE MOMENT YOU LOAD IN, TURN ON TURN BASED COMBAT AGAIN.
Now with your MC with high strength, use improvised weapon and pickup sheepthara. Click as far as possible to move with her but cancel the throw a bit short.
(Do this by holding circle on console)
Once you run out of movement, you need to cancel turn based mode and reactivate it quick.
Alongside your MC, make sure you move your Ranger ahead so they can open the doors for you.
They'll do the dialogue checks with the soldiers at the door and open both the front door and the inner double doors leading into the throne area.
(Once they've opened the door to Kethric. Move the Ranger to the side, away from Ketheric as to avoid joining any cutscenes.)
Back to MC, keep improvise throwing sheepthara and cancelling before slam until you reach the throne room.
Aim her between the two pews as you go through the inner double doors leading to Ketheric.
Finally, you should be in a cutscene where sheepthara baahs her innocence- convince them to give leniency.
During this point swap to Ranger again and go down to the prison floor.
AVOID THE THRONE ROOM OR YOU'LL BE PULLED INTO DIALOGUE WITH THE RANGER ASWELL.
In the prison cellar, turn left as soon as you go down, that door leads to where Minthara will be teleported.
Return to MC and finish her dialogue and then swap to Ranger again.
As Ranger, wait for polymorph to wear off and as soon as you see her transform back, she'll run, either turn on turn based mode or quickly speak to the Duergar captors to initiate her interrogation.
You'll need to convince them that you'll be taking over the interrogation by doing an intial check, then pass an additional check and tell Minthara to play along.
FINALE:
Minthara should be added to your sidebar as an extra character, tab over to her, she'll be seen floating in air. Open your map and teleport to Moonrise Towers waypoint.
This should initiate the final response where she'll have a dialogue with you. Tell her where to find your camp.
Actually, after several runs at this you're better off using heightened spell on your sorcerers to help get the dominate/poly to land. Even if you don't buy up every dimension door scroll you come across on your playthrough, 4 turns is enough to get sheepthara into the throne room with a single hasted barbarian.
I also recommend using shadowheart to cast bestow curse on minthara, targeting wisdom, which will give you an even better chance of landing your subsequent poly/dominate, since they're both wis saves.
The barrier of entry to get her is already too high. I thought it best to free people up of consciously looking for additional items and just set up and enjoy the rest of the game.
Only needing to detour at an organic point right before leaving the mountain pass.
Too many variables add complications on complications.
The chance of getting poly and dominate isn't bad on base. 50% 25% it ends up being the hardest thing to do but worth it for the wiggle room.
All it requires is 3 Hirelings and 4 respecs and 10 more minutes to pull it off. Which I would assume is a fair trade.
I used this today, it seems to work pretty smoothly, I got three hirelings and the hill giant strength club to avoid respecing my Tav. Bit of practise, bit of video watching and it went smoothly.
@@PresindentofPain
Really happy for you! Lmk if I missed anything.
Also as a bonus, you can get additional buffs w minthara since you're early in act 2. So have fun with building shenaningans.
If you want a fire bleed build possible go down to booal now and sacrifice a pleb. [Wish this could be Gale] but a different pleb for increased damage on bleeding opponents iirc. She's super fun with soul branding.
Edit: Things that may be useful- go use Astarion or any rogue thief etc to pop invis back at the Druid Grove and steal the idol of Sylvanus- perma buff to survival and animal handling iirc.
Since you've already completed the questline, you should be fine to steal and deceive the guard.
Another few POIs before Act lockout is Zhentarim hideout, back of the area theres two chests to steal from. One has Metal for Karlach. Can be then used for helldusk armour in Act 2.
If you're playing monk or want bling go to the rightside of the forge and find the lava golem, there should be a broken building with a monk's amulet haunted by a ghost. Just adds extra flavour because you can speak with it.
I've no luck with any of the suggested methods. I've tried multiples scenarios, but after a long rest, Minthara is gone.
I wish we could tell the tieflings to hide in our camp and then send the raid against the druids.
I mean, multiple druids try to kill you, when the raid arrives they don’t even try to defend the front gate, and even if you save them they still blame you.
Which druids try to kill the party? Some of them are more or less hostile, but not entirely without reason. Kagha, suddenly becoming responsible for grove lose herself to whispers of Shadow Druids. At the same she isn't rotten and is easily convinced that her way is wrong. Should you call her monster replies with quite valid point "you see monster, I see mother protecting her own". Unfit for leadership? Yes. Evil? Not really. Or maybe you mean the druids who are threatened by Anabelle's parents? Their daughter was indeed treated too harshly. Still, druid nerves were strained and many voiced discontent on the way thief-ling was treated. Or maybe healer Nettie? Someone who sees no less than four ticking bombs, which could at any moment sprout tentacles and start blasting everyone around. Evil druds my ass.
It still works, but for me Minthara spawns outside the cells. So you have to wait until she and the guards escort her into the room. After she gets into position, she immediately make a beeline outside and despawns, so you have to enter turn based mode and hit her the moment she starts running.
great job!
I'm always a bit conflicted between allowing the player to do absolutely everything they want VS if you do this, you can't do this other thing.
ofc the first one is more fun and one could say more relaxed but the second one definitely makes it more realistic and actually makes you think about your choices and their possible consequences.
Or you just make another quest more viable. When she probes your mind it should be apparent that she (and many others of the absolute) are merely being puppeteered by their tadpoles. Omeluum gives you a ring of mind shielding and says verbatim it helps him avoid the detection and sway of elder brains. So you just need to find a way to stick the ring on her finger, maybe with a sleight of hand check or even a funny bard(performance) check. You try to antagonize her into pointing at you or something (maybe a map to where the grove is) and in that moment you put it on her. She immediately drops to the ground knocked out. Then Act 2 happens as usual if she lives.
As it stands the cost to obtaining her is just too high. You cut out a good portion of the game, which is good for 2nd playthroughs. But in the play through where you side with her, very little is added in its place. Karlach/Wyll/Halsin storylines gone, tiefling interactions gone. Like if you could get the Drider as a replacement companion for all the lost lines it'd be worth it. but 1 for 3 (maybe 4 if you don't convince Gale). Worst trade deal in the history of trade deals, maybe ever.
I kind of like this approach to do anything. A little janky yes, but I like the essence of changing the way things panned out. I don't see any reason you couldn't get the two as it's kind of a wrong place at the wrong time rather than these two characters hate each other on a fundamental level
Absolutely this. People forget that this is a DnD campaign and that detracts so much magic from the game. Actions beget consequences and stuff like this just ... Well if I was the DM, I'd be looking for the next thing that could cause a party wipe.
There's absolutely no way it makes sense for Minthara to be freed from her mind control unless there's a way to create a bond between the PC and Minthara otherwise we would have seen the Prism release EVERY SINGLE person under the influence of the 'Absolute' along our way.
Now people expect us to run with a story where we meta game our knowledge that Minthara is a 'good' person (Whereas, she's just not.) and we free some random Drow paladin from the Absolute's control because? What? Because we know OoC'ly that she can become a companion.
Going to give this a try! Does anyone know if there's a specific order for killing Priestess Gut? The vid explains the deal with Minthara/Ragzlin really well, so I'm just curious.
If anyone is curious this works on Patch 4. Durge playthrough but keeping Tieflings alive for their unique gear.(Removed spoilers in edit)
I used lvl 7 Hirelings for the required spells(Sorc+Druid). Extended Polymorph to 10 turns, Drank hill giant Elixer to do improvised weapon walk. I hit Minthara but since I started with her as “Temporary Hostile” when I originally KO’d her she did not enter combat I simply talked my way out of it.
For those who have never done this when talking to the guards you need to enter her mind, do not just fight them or text prompt to fight else she remains a zombie.
Cmon larian give us a good option with Minthara to keep her in the story.
Well, there is already a mod for that, it just makes the game think Minthara survived Act 1 regardless of whether she died or not which kinda makes sense, waking up after being beaten unconscious is a failure for which she could be judged,
@mareczek00713 I know, but I'm computer illiterate, so installing mods is a very daunting task for me. Also I worry that it'll corrupt my saves or something.
@kallavera I'm gonna give it a try then. I may just be acting paranoid about modding since it's a new skill I'd have to learn
@@Faminetheblack It can be daunting at first, but it really is easy, theres good tutorials here on youtube
@@FaminetheblackI'm with you, I fear change
Honestly the fact that players are making these complicated methods should signal to larian what people want. It makes no sense why knocking out minthara would count as her dying and not triggering her going to moonrise instead.
All this for one character and Larian should know what people want? That’s just people being fucking miserable at this point. It makes no sense why I can’t romance the fucking squirrel or the tree I saw after crash landing. Jesus. What else do you need?
@@thatoneguy9816 Comparing a squirrel and a tree to a companion character who can already be recruited? Really? Talk about a "bad faith" tactic. Also, people are pretty vocal about not wanting to be evil to recruit her. Especially on Larian's own forums. The same forums that people were vocal about giving Karlach a better ending on, that Larian obviously read before making the according changes to Karlach's ending options.
no weirder than the way to recruit Karlach AND not have Wyll be turned into a demon
@@DaBlackX Talk about being a miserable fuck. You don’t always get what you want. You’re mad because you can’t romance a character? Really? Bear you fuck, but a tree or a squirrel is unrealistic lol? What game did you make again?
But that's the point you can't be good and have her as well. They need to be consequences in the game. Plus, it adds replayability
If you don’t have dimensions door, you can use boots of speed and haste for more movement speed
It’s amazing that someone figured this out.
All credit to Pao. Would've never thought to use Dominate Animal. In fact, I don't think I've ever used that spell in a playthrough, even.
Can you still recruit Halsin with this method? If so, does he spontaneously die when you go back to act 1, like he does in the Minthara mod?
This is my question- how does min and halsin behave at this point?
@@Mysterooall I know is that Minthara takes Halsin’s spot in camp typically, so if you have both they would be um sharing very awkwardly
@@ccarduelismm Halsin is probably cool with it.
I wish you would have explained the Halsin side as well, at what point in the story line does Halsin have to be before you carry Minthara to Act 2.
I think you must finish halsin quest first, because returning to act 1 cause halsin to left the camp for good.
@@ranulphshieldwield7631 So rescue thaniel fully?
@@MulbeeryDeer yeah but i think they already fixed the bug so if you go back to act2, halsin will return to your camp.
This is actually insane! How tf do people come up with this stuff lol... I tried to come up with a way of recruiting both Minthara and Halsin during my playthrough but gave up pretty quick when I realised it was more trouble than it was worth (given that my MC was a Paladin anyways). I'd have cured world hunger though before I came up with this though, amazing really.
Knocking out enemies and long resting removes them after, im on pc. Reading the stat knocked out says they disappear after long rest so im assuming they made a patch or something and knocking out enemies is the same as killing them now.
Considering how much everyone wants to save the grove and keep Minthara we need an official patch to make it possible without a method like this.
I think it should be as simple as knocking her out and then wiping out the goblin camp without advancing the day. Hard enough to take real effort but doable without so many hoops.
I've heard it was originally intended to be, but they changed it because otherwise playing an evil character would mean gaining one companion and losing two, but playing a good character would mean keeping both and gaining another. I think it's kinda silly though. If you're a good guy it makes a lot more sense to give Minthara a chance to redeem herself.
@@YumLemmingKebabs more like you lose three companions wyll karlach and halsin
To get Minthara, I killed the everyone in the grove, lost wyll and karlach, also killed halsin, pushed shadowheart to become a dark justiciar, murdering everyone in lastlight (losing jaheira).
I managed to convince Gale to stay. but I lost 4 characters so far to get her hahaha. Still need to see in act 3 if I can recruit minsc or if he is lost as well
@@Capiibr You can keep Jaheira if you lie to her
@@cooterface4114 Ah right, that tiny elf. I forgot. ... Actually I forgot cause I haven't gotten to play the game yet, just watched way too many videos to the point where i'm probably not going to enjoy it as much whenever I eventually get to play it. XD
And here i am doing an even more difficult 3-step process to recruit her without killing the tieflings.
1. Get a pc.
2. Install a mod.
3. Save drow mommy
Yeah I am 100% just going to install the mod.
a wood elf monk thief with crushers ring might not even need dimension door at all and could possibly just use improvised weapon especially if use extended spell
imintrigued, are there any copanionn dialogues between minthara and halsin while you walk through the game?
I didn't use this method but I recruited minthara and halsin with a mod and they don't talk to each other at all, but they use the same tent which is funny they look like a family especially when thaniel is there too
@@Saorinka awww cuteee xd. The evil drow and the hippie join together to raise an abondened child xd
literally join together, they clip into eachother when at camp@@purydango
@@kallavera say.... i play act one with another chara right now, and there is a spot at the goblincsmp, at the rune circle, where there is a woman picture behind a big tree right beside it. If i try to attack it, there is this 0 damage simbol as if you hit a door then. How do i open that up?
i dont think its a door; there is no perception check associated with it, and its not unique in the camp. reddit seems to think its either leftover content for something that wasnt added or potentially setup for future dlc content.@@purydango
I really feel like larian should just implement knocking her out to save her as an option. 🤦🏾♂️
Larian out here being the first game to make a good companion that you can only get on the evil path and folks out here like "could you just not make her evil for me plz, I NEED DRINK uWu"
thank you brother, finally abled to get he
Things people do for drow pssy?
I did worse, if you speak with the dead tieflings.
if they patch this i'll be so sad
Thank you for the video, was very detailed, now time to raid the groove!
I'm never gonna do this, but it's fun to watch
I'm hoping you can verify this information but apparently saving Minthara can change up the flags and triggers for parts of the game at least for the mods.
For example, Zevlor will not be in the mindflayer pods in the case of the mod that makes Minthara recruitable after defeating her. Just wondering if you can confirm this with your Sheep heist, whether Zevlor can be found in the mindflayer pods. Also, can Cal and Lia be found in the prison after you complete your Act 1 stuff.
Zevlor not being in the tadpoling centre is just a bug that can happen sometimes. I got it in my first (unmodded) run where I was playing a good character. In my Daughter of Lolth run though, it didn't happen and I was able to save him and the fists with Minthara in the party.
@@walkblessed445 OOoooo hmmm
I have the minthara mods and he ends up there don’t worry
I was looking for a way to keep Dammon alive while being evil and this is quite the hoop to jump through. I think I’ll just save the grove and justify it by betraying them at Last Light after getting their good loot (need that Flawed Helldusk baby)
You just need to convince him and his siblings to abandon the camp when you first meet them.
@@Prestige5er that’s Rolan. Dammon is the blacksmith
Virgin good aligned player: "I demand Minthara without having to adjust my moral compass in the slightest😭"
Chad evil enjoyer: "I wanted Dammon alive for the loot 😎"
You justify siding with the Grove as evil by figuring out that the Absolute cult is your enemy.
Why would a sane character actively side with their enemy against a neutral/friendly party?
Saving them actually has so many benefits not that it should matter to a evil playthrough but you get Damon, and Mattis as consistent traders all throughout the game, Damon sells you a bow that lets cast Haste for free, Zevlor helps you in the final battle so does Arabella actually not to mention Arabella also teaches you a unique spell, and Rolan if you count him as well helps you in a boss fight in act 3 and as well as helps you against the final boss yoo
did they change how non-letal damage works?
when i played, knocking someone out like that and then long-resting just made them disappear from the game. i used non-lethal damage on true soul Gut, and then she just kind of vanished and i never saw her again.
Thank you very much! Very well explained and simple to follow!
Can confirm still works with patch 4 on console
This would be discovered after i just started my second play through for minthara lol
A truly sheeptacular heist, b(r)aa-vo!
And simultaneously, so sad that players have to do all this just because Larian-"OMG, the devs actually thought of this!"-Studios cba to make the non-lethal takedown function they themselves added...actually work, instead of just being a copy paste deathflag that causes more confusions than it solves (looking at you, a certain chappy in Wyll's plotline).
I really would like a canon way to recruit her in a 'good' playthorugh - even if it were really complicated and resulted in her being upset at you or something. It feels like you miss out on so many questlines when doing an evil playthrough in the first two acts.
And there would be a "meaningful choice" in doing that? Let's be honest this game doesnt really "reward" players for doing full evil route, right? But at least they had rare companion, Drow paladin baddy. Giving players ability to recruit her regardless of goblin/tieflings choice kinda makes this decision a no brainer, and a lot of people would not even think of trying evil playthrough.
Tbf I wish more companions were more sensitive about player's choices and it was harder to recuit them and easier to lose them, or recruiting one would lead to losing the other.
I quite agree. I don't really get why Lae'zel is so easy to get but Minthara so hard and so binding. Betraying the grove means losing Karlack, Wyll and Halsin just for Minthara. Also all quests linked to the tieflings. Saving her from Highmoon, you can't complete Karlack quest because the teflings are dead and still losing Halsin so missing on the shadow quest. While having Minthara in an "evil" "gray" playthrough, just means having her with, there isn't more depth to the story. What's the point of freeing her from the Absolute and having her feeling guilt if the game doesn't offer any possibility of redemption ? We should get a side quest to save her at the Goblin Camp (maybe with Halsin's help by having him understand that she's being controlled ?) or even dialogue options either in the Goblin Camp or during the Grove raid so she can try to fight the mindcontrol and get some help from the Artifact ? My Dark Urges playthrough became a story of redemption with Astarion, Shadowheart and Minthara. Except there is nothing for Minthara to win or better herself that way, just revenge... Getting her was so circonvoluted that outside of combat playing with her is a bit of a let down.
Sure. Make game shallow. This is not TES
@@Romczy I'm advocating for more complexity wtf
You are advocating for decisions being meaningless. Have the cake or eat the cake
Still works, but something changed. When you jump to the character waiting in the interrogation / mind wiping room for Minthara, I saw she no longer reverts to her original form. Had to disable turn based mode for a split second so polymorph could wear off. As soon as it does, re-enable turn base mode as fast as possible. Minthara will try to run out of the room and then disappear. Was able to turn on turn based in time and continue with the video.
As i was (finally) doing this myself, i found a better way other than having a char with strength to continuously pick up and put down with risk of accidentally slamming her.
Simply have one of the spellcasters as a Sorcerer, and sacrifice your spell slots to gain a crap ton of Sorcery Points, then you spend all of those onto Spell Slot 4, make sure you memorized Dimensional Door, with all your SP spent on spell slot 4, you should now have 7-9 level 4 spell slots, congratz, you can now teleport yourself and minty the entire way.
As for the other spellcaster, make sure they're also a Sorcerer, and pick the Metamagic: Extended Spell this increases Summoning, Surfaces cause by spells, and Conditions Duration, bringing up Polymorph from 5 to 10, giving you all the time in the world.
The only "downside" is that you must wait a bit when down in the jail for her Polymorph to end, and be ready on the TBM cause she will book it to somewhere.
Also, since it wasn't mentioned in the video, after forcing your mind into hers, do not choose the option to have her fight with you to take out the guards, this will glitch her and she will be stuck in neutral mode.
Wait... doesn't this leave the goblin camp unresolved (and tieflings dead)?
Nope, he knocked her out first which for some reason counts for the quest
@@Krywulf ah, alright
Whenever I try minthara just ends up disappearing after I long rest. Anyone know a solution?
Same thing for me
It appears to still work according to someone who did it 19 hours ago but by mentioned even by the person who did this video it is a very finicky process so save often and tweak the process every now and again and see if you get to work
Do you mean long resting afther you initally lock her out and carry on to proceed with act 1/2? Or after you have recruited her?
Yeah actually can one of you two either I'm tired or stick bug say exactly what your issue is because I have found an issue with her disappearing after the 3 leaders being defeated in the shattered sanctum that long rest spot.
@@lostnemesis it’s right after I knock her out, kill Ragzlin and long rest. She just disappears
In my game it happened differently. When I got to the part about taking the minthara (sheep) to the castle, when I arrived at the gate, her trial scene had already started and the game prevented me from changing characters. So I selected the option of manipulating to convince that Minthara was innocent, and continued choosing the options favorable to her. After that I went to the prison where she has shift mode active, in this part I did the same as the video, attack everyone inside, I became invisible and left the room, after that the scene started normally to rescue her.
what happens at camp? halsin and minthara have the same location for their tents when at the camp but if they're both recruited do they glitch into eachother?
To everyone like me watching this guide and hoping it still works; it does, albeit partially. So, bascally I did everything up until the moment where you switch to the character meant to aggro Minthara. This is where things took an ominous turn. I thought Larian had patched this away BUT turns out I only had to go through the Karlach convincing Z'rell to show mercy a times trying to time it correctly somehow essentially allowing Minthara to spawn in the interrogation room. She spawned outside many times but eventually she appeared where she should but in a very strange half polymorphed sheep/drow form. Nevertheless, I attempted the method this guide showcases. This time it worked as intended. I finished the interrogation dialogue, convincing the interrogators that I was sent to take over the interrogation and then told Minthara to play along. After this I finished Karlach and the Goblins cutscene + dialogue, walked out of MT with her. I then proceeded to group the 3 characters I still had in the prison area and escorded Minthara outside of MT and convinced her to wait for me at camp. She is now an available companion and Halsin as well. I attempted to talk to Halsin as Minthara but that resulted in my custom character taking her place, starting to talk to him, but still, neither of them seem to be affected by the presence of the other. I don't know if I got lucky and somehow timed all of the necessary steps precisely so it bypassed some proposed patch I see people talking of but anyhow, it works, at least it did for me. Cheers :) !
To be honest, I don't really care about Minthara, she's just the reward for going evil (which tbh is not that good compared to everything you lose -- Wyll, Karlach, Dammon, Halsin, and almost Gale if you don't suceed in your rolls). Going the evil route is cutting out way more people, hence I'd argue that we need more evil side content (Z'Rell would be good).
Is it surprising that less people like you if you're a crazy refugee murderer?
Imagine if for an evil playthrough, Dror Ragzalin acted as a Barbarian stand-in for Karlach, Gut acted as a Warlock stand-in for Wyll, Z'rell acted as a general stand-in for Jaheira, and a parasitized Minsc could act as a stand-in for...Minsc.
@@joshuakim5240honestly this would be really fun
1:51 did your tav have voiced dialogue here? Am I crazy?
This is all good to know, thanks dude
In my second run through and today I went back to the goblin camp to go into the underdark. Thought I'd check in on unconscious Minthara since I took 2 long rests (one after killing the gobbies / campsite party and one after saving Mayrina) and Minthara is gone. Hopefully I'll find her at Moonrise Towers when I get there but who knows. Has this happened to anyone?
At this point, just use a mod for gods sake!