One unfortunate thing about those composite-video capture things is that you lose a lot in terms of video quality. I got an old 20$ laptop with firewire so I could get the footage from my Sony miniDV camera without any compression + at 50 fps (interlaced though). The footage is really good!
I've seen some good side by sides and I felt like it was good enough, I couldnt really tell the difference in a blind test. I'm sure some are worse than others though. Also probably matters more with more serious camcorders
@@snappiness Oh definitely. My Sony TRV900 (MiniDV camcorder) cost around $3,700 in 1998, and the quality is pretty insane. There isn't any sort of a sharpening filter in the camcorder like you might find on other camcorders, and the video quality is probably not too far from the best you could get out of MiniDV. The lens is sharp, and despite being a 12x zoom lens, the aperture is F/1.6 to F/2.8. With three CCD sensors, lowlight video is insane- and there isn't even a NightShot mode. To give you an idea, I can use the camera after sunset with a 1/500 shutter speed at F/2.8 with 0 gain!
I was gonna comment this. I use a Canon GL2 and had a composite converter and the quality was just awful. When I use my FireWire card in my pc, I can export video at 1080p 60fps and it looks substantially better. I don’t think the convenience is worth it unless you wanna look back at footage and you don’t wanna burn the tape heads out
I love that this is a thing. Made me dig up the old Panasonic PVGS14 that my parents bought when I was in High School and I've used when I went on a trip to Japan. Using it again is crazy nostalgic, and I think you hit the nail in the head when you talked about this tech that was used when we were younger now somehow finds its way to capture memories in the present. It's like our childhood and the memories we make now made a shortcut and connect to each other haha
What a coincidence that you post this today. I snagged a Sony DCR-TRV320 a few weeks ago at a thrift store in the hopes of using it to recover footage from a stack of Digital8 (digital Hi8) tapes I’ve had floating around for the last 20+ years. One of them happened to be footage from my honeymoon that I thought was lost long ago. After some attempts to get a FireWire pcie card, and necessary software to work on windows 10/11 I pulled an ancient 12” PowerBook from my collection and used iMovie ‘06 to ingest the footage.
@ Frustrating is right. I did get an opportunity to validate my obsession with and hoarding of vintage gear, so that’s a plus. And my teenage daughters got a kick out of seeing their parents as a young married couple.
I was pleasantly surprised at how good the battery life with MiniDV camcorders is, went on a week+ long hike and the battery was still at 60 percent after filming multiple cassettes worth of video in cold weather. Sure, i do not have any new camcorders to compare with, but none of my other video-capable cameras would last more than 2-3 days with the same amount of filming before the battery goes flat.
You can also find a mid 2000s camcorder that records onto an HDD AND SD card. I purchased a Vixia HG21 last year and its the perfect balance of picture quality and nostalgia.
Bought my grail camcorder the Sony PC-1 in mint condition as seen in American Beauty. Ive been searching for years for a working model at a decent price. Came with box and all accessories. Battery was dead but bought a new 3rd party generic as well as a 3 pack of new MiniDV tapes. I use a RCA to USB capture cable with the boxed AV cables and import/record via OBS.
Here in Serbia we have Buvljak it's physical market for selling everything similar to garage sale! You can find this old big camcorders from $15 to $40 😀
Wasn't it the case the later miniDV cassettes were capable of full HD recording and had minimal to no compression, offering better video bitrates than the first sd cards, because the early sd cards had pretty slow write speeds, back in the early 2000s.
I have gone from owning no camcorders to now seven sitting on the shelf in two weeks! It is a bit addicting to hunt for all these cameras that I once dreamed of but could never afford growing up. I am also doing the DVR route, until my cleaning tape arrive from Japan, but what I found is that DV was sort of the "bad digital" you had mentioned in another video, and I found that VHS-C and Hi8 yield for a much more lofi result!
I’ve been collecting camcorders for a long time and I don’t film with them at all, I collect all the funky looking ones and the unique ones, I love the weird formats like I have an open reel camcorder and I also have Betamax and some other ones
I have an old camcorder, circa 1998 -- it's a bit older than that, but it's still old 🙂 Fun fact about "Victor" it was originally the Japanese subsidiary of the US Victor Talking Machine Company, which manufactured and sold phonograph players (RCA bought out Victor) -- When WWII came around JVC decided to decouple from the parent company. Retaining the Victor and "His Master's Voice" trademark for use in Japan.
Ive done this to my panasonic nv-gs90. I used cheapo mini dvr without screen. I did for it 3d printed shelf so it was mounted cleanly on camcorder body. Also I soldered custom av cable. To power it I designed 3d printed battery case and build it with li-ion cells from disposable vape pens founded in trash. To charge it I used 2s li-ion charging board with usb-c input. Mine camcorder have separate dc socket (I bet it was standard at the time) so there is also option to power it with newer powerbank with right adapter cable. It was really fun project.
I think the later model of DV standard video camcorder that use internal hard drive or memory card instead of tape will give you similar result but it will not have a mess of ripping your video from tape. These digital camcorders may not have to use TV Tuner or Capture Card to take video from them like camcorders before digital era (VHSC and Video8 format) but the process is not really just drag and drop. When I tried to get video out from camera into file the first time I don't want to deal with them again.
I had a JVC cassette recorder in the 70's and found out that JVC stood for Victor Corporation of Japan. I believe they rearranged the letter order so it rolled off the tongue better.
There is no need to digitise DV tapes at all. They are already storing digital video. Same mistake again at about 5:05. These miniDV cameras already record digitally.
I feel one of the reasons aside from asthetics is that when i record on my phone, space is always a hinderance. When i watch older videos shot on tape, i notice i just keep recording for 30min-1 hour..where with my phone i record under a minute. Also, tapes area easier to archive if you use tapes. As far as SD cards, i feel it’s easier to organize one entire un edited event which was recorded not stop.
You completely missed the point if you think millenials got into vinyl because it was "pure analog" - a quality even audiophiles can't distinguish when subjected to a double blinded test
You can also go the slightly easier route for a similar vibe with early non-tape camcorders. I've got one from a friend that has micro-HDMI out, though sadly that output doesn't work due to the connector being... well... micro-HDMI.
Mini DVD is a cool format and allows you to put the discs into any old dvd drive to get the footage. That gives you a perfect replication of the original file and you don’t have to bother with buying capture cards
I have a Canon Elura 100. It will record video to the SD card but at terrible quality. I'll record on mini DV then plug it in to my Retrotink 4k and capture the footage that way. My capture card can only do 1080p so the tink will take the footage and upscale it to 1080. The DV footage is really good and you are right it invokes that nostalgia that you can't really get by applying filters to modern footage
I feel like tapeless recording is the way to go for new content. About 4 years ago I was trying to capture 20+ year old miniDV tapes over FireWire and found my latest camcorder was having problems with the audio. I sent it in for service but that only marginally improved it. I got a second miniDV camcorder and there were still audio problems and drop outs. I don't know if it's because of head alignment differences from my original Sony DCR-PC1 or if something happened to the tape media over time. It's a cautionary tale to not sit on old media as you get newer hardware. They might not work when you try to play it.
It's always fun seeing old tech being used today. Have you tried any of the early digital camcorders? You have me curious about how different the look is.
My brother used to record on our old family camcorder by plugging the video out through some sort of a capture card that plugged into his phones usb port, then he changed the input source in his phone camera app to the camcorder output similarly like you would with a webcam and recorded videos straight into his phone. He was doing this like 5 years ago, i never understood why. But he had it setup pretty nice, you could even livestream the footage or use it for video calls.
I have a few newer Canon and Panasonic camcorders that record onto SD card. I kind of wish there was a way to change the aspect ratio to 4:3 in camera but the crazy long optical zoom, stabilisation, ease of use (pull out the screen and they are good to go) and the ease of editing the files on a last gen iPad mini makes them a great tool for capturing memories while on vacation.
Meanwhile… CINEMA cameras are now dirt cheap. I bought a Sony NEX-FS100 with the 18-200 lens for $450. The lens is worth that much by itself. I can buy an FS700 with the 18-200 powerzoom lens, which is 4K capable for less than $900. That is likely the next toy on my list. I just prefer E-mount for my lenses. I like FireWire/iLink camcorders for tapeless applications. I still have a Sony VX2000 (it could be a PD150 as well) somewhere. FireWire will give you highest fidelity. :) VX2000 is a distant predecessor of cinema cameras. It had a 3CCD sensor, FireWire, built-in ND, and other professional features. When I find my VX2000 in storage, I won’t be keeping it. My FS100 is far more capable. I’ll let someone else enjoy it.
I’m making a doco about an independent record label whose heyday was when these cams were big. I think it might be excellent to get b-cam on one of these to link the look of the clean and sharp contemporary interviews back to the camcorder past.
used to use an old camcorder to record FPV drone footage, which didn’t work well as the camera stopped recording every time the signal got bad. Got a PowerPlay because it’s designed to keep going no matter how bad the composite signal is, and now the ironic thing has happened where I can now use the powerplay on the camcorder
I shoot just straight to tape and use QuickTime to import footage on an older Mac with Firewire. Looks a lot better than the little converter boxes. There are a bunch of SD cameras that shot to SD card are cheaper than those converters.
I like my digital 8 sony camera, I have a Windows XP computer that I've maintained so I just capture the file over firewire and go from there. Pretty fun stuff.
Strange to record externally and still expect that interlaced look since many of the external recorders record in progressive . It will have an impact on the look to some extent.
I bought and old canon mv camcorder from 2005 for about 15 dollars mini dv , and too my surprise after using it for some time with tape i noticed a small little latch , it was and sd card slot 😅, the old timey sd, i bought one that was compatible for testing (1GB) and it works flawlessly and gives the same image quality and y2k aesthetic as the minidv , its seems to me that as we left the tape era and eased into the digital some of those later models incorporated both formats , so if you're on the look for the minidv look without having to mod one to accept sd , i believe it to be a good option also , they can be tricky to find and there doesnt seem to be much information online ,my model is the canon mv830 mini dv , love the channel 😀
I think a big reason people are gravitating towards these cameras is the global shutter capture method they use. Who'd have thought it looks good for a device whose purpose is to capture movement to faithfully capture movement instead of smearing it? Crash zooms and fast pans are great.
This is exactly why I picked up a Pentax MX-4, I got one with battery, charger, and wide angle adapter for $100 and it's the perfect early 2000s camcorder video aesthetic
Really interesting, I just got my hands on a free Sony HVR-Z1E HDCAM, thought of buying an external recorder but was thinking of Atomos Ninja type devices which are expensive for an experiment like this ... but those cheap small recorder / screen devices have me considering it again. Yes, after years of assembling a rig around a DSLR/Mirrorless body core, the camcorder form factor with everything just there and ready seems so refreshing ! XLR audio, quick ND access, zoom (hate zooms in shot tho).
I’ve been using a $15 composite to HDMI adapter to record from my Panasonic DVX-100b into my Atomos Ninja V+. Already had the Ninja for my other cameras and it’s been great to have the bigger display and capture a wide variety of footage. Some clients want that DV look.
i am trying to do the same thing using a different canon model but idk it isnt outputing anything out, i was trying to output to a tv using av to composite cable is there any suggestions?
So in japan the vx1000 had the hvr mrc1 that recorded video to cf card. Super pricey today but highly worth it sinceit allowed to to record video from the mini firewire port. Also firestore had many av recording devices back in the day
In your opinion, which is the digital handycam with the image quality closest to a VHS?
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These crazes can be useful. I have recently sold my Fujifilm X-E1 that I had bought used in 2015 for 300 EUR, for 250 EUR. Basically, sold my camera and 27mm pancake for only 80 euros less than I paid and got a used X-E3. And I remember when cameras like mine were lingering in the ads for about 100 EUR for months without selling. It just took nostalgia for the X trans sensor and a few UA-cam videos to spark the revival, and the prices went through the roof.
Slightly off topic, I recently watched a video on how cheap cameras like the original Canon C100 are today. Especially if you shop around for batteries. For anyone content with full HD - and who isn't on most viewing platforms - old pro and semi-pro digital camcorders make a lot of sense. On topic, Sony's full size DV tape camcorders have a lot of control for enthusiastic video makers.
Its a better option to get a $25 mini fpv dvr recorder module! You won't have to deal with the bulky screen strapped to the camcorder and it completely streamlines the setup!🙌🏼
Im experimenting with the same setup but with vacuum tube cameras. Nuvicon, Plumbicon, etc. It's a challenge but fun. I just got the Portta for Christmas. Cheaper but requires external power.
Some of the very early cheapo off-brand standard def camcorders that records to SD cards has a similar video aesthetic. More portable and less cumbersome to handle and transfer for editing. If you want the ultimate in quirky tape camcorders it has to be the Sony Micro-MV tape system, a marvel in engineering！
Some camcorders can actually record video to the sd card. Though the one that i have (Panasonic nv-gs55) records to sd ib lower resolution and with lower framerate because the video is not interlaces unlike on tape, so in addition it almost doesn't look like camcorder footage, but it's still fun
A good argument could be" I choose the camera+sensor as a starting point to get to the end result/look quicker, so it saves time" . This goes for all camera btw. If you want your stuff to look like everyone else's then use what they use...,
I've always loved camcorders, started messing around with them when I was young making short films, I wanted to move to something that I could change lenses on and remember being disappointed that mirrorless stills cameras were pretty much the only offering, ended up getting the original Sony A7S which I was happy with, except I still find myself missing the ergonomics of a camcorder, even to this day no one is making a decent interchangeable lens camcorder that doesn't break the bank! Apart from a few exceptions like the JVC GY-LS300, and the old Sony "NEX-VGXX" line-up, I would love for Sony to release a next generation VG900 Full Frame Prosumer Interchangeable Lens Camcorder, the amazing technology they have in the Alpha series line crammed into a camcorder that doesn't cost thousands like the FX6.... I would be soooo happy
I will try the AV out capture option. I have a great Canon mini-DV camcorder but getting the FireWire (IEEE 1394) output to work with anything else is a nightmare, since FW is a dead interface. That’s a shame because the output on that camcorder is very high quality.
Great video. Do you have any Links to any actual movies or vlog. Type videos that have been done with this kind of affair please? I think to really appreciate the filmic quality. One has to watch a proper video in order to do so. Although in the example that you shown, I can understand exactly what you are saying. Excellent post. Thank you! Happy New Year!
Interesting timing on this - until a few weeks ago, I was using a Canon HV20 that I bought back in college, connected to an HDMI to USB adapter as a webcam. Frankly, it had better video quality than any USB webcam I've tried. Unfortunately, years of being powered on 24/7 took their toll, and after a recent power outage, it wouldn't power back on. RIP. Anyway, that's the only caveat I can contribute: don't leave your vintage camcorder powered on constantly, or it might not last - though I don't anticipate most people will run into that specific issue, LOL.
I like my old tape camcorders, but when I wanted one to be "tapeless" due to a dodgy mechanism that I couldn't repair properly, I just went out and bought a memory card camcorder instead :).
They’re a bunch of portable DVR’s, many of them cheap but also low quality, it’s best to invest in something better avoiding paying twice (one for the cheap one and another for the better), this kind for FPV video recording are on the middle range of price (yes they’re are more expressive ones) and have great recording quality and works with almost any home camera, also you can make a custom cable soldering any input like composite video to a 2.5mm jack. By the way, to avoid that annoying issue of connect it only to the middle section, you can simply put an O ring on the plug, and you can simply plug it to the bottom and would make the connection you need
So instead of buying batteries, I bought DC-DC voltage converters and can either use the DC port or the battery pins themselves. I’m also recording my footage using a RCA-HDMI converter and an older Atomos ninja 2. I haven’t done much with the footage yet but it’s in the plans lol
I have a semi-pro Panasonic DV with great lens and full audio I/O. Picked up a cheap composite - to - HDMI convertor and plugged it into my Ninja V. Looked awesome on the Ninja but on any display larger than 5" looks like crap. Gave up on that.
I love camcorders but I'm into the more pro, interchangeable lens, types now that they're more affordable. Like the Sony VG30, JVC LS300 and even a Sony FS5
Suggestion, Usb-c->A adapter + an EasyVid AV usb capture device + phone app that lets you use usb video capture devices = Way cheaper? Does anyone know of some iPhone apps that let you capture from a usb capture card?
Hey I have a Sony CCD-V200E camcorder from my grandpa and I'm just wondering if anyone has found the battery for this thing, because this didn't come with one and finding one where I am is like virtually impossible
I have an old Canon G9 camera. It shoots video at 640x480 onto an SD card. Many other older cameras would do the same. Sounds like less work than using tapes.
I have 2 mini dv camcorders and love them. The reason is the old school look to my work. I think analog art should be raw and gritty and imperfect as far as technology but that is just my opinion. I also schoot 35mm and 120 film. Nothing digital.
I have a $20 dash cam who's footage looks just like old 90's skate films but oddly has this awesome in camera stabilization. (very jello) but i live the craptastic look that comes out of it. the dash mount broke so if i want to use it ...lets just say it takes a lot of gaff and an external power bank to run.
Marcos Pix (an actual film producer) channel made a video of inexpensive non know branded camcorders... . about 20 video cameras and the images produced were compared.. and immediately it became apparent it dosent need a brand name to produce "that Look" your use of "Cheap" immediately de-values what can be achieved on unknow inexpensive Chinese video cameras .... My opinion best is the pause button ..seldom mentioned.. instant editing... simple to use... each with an individual " Cinematic Look "
My wife recently wanted me to buy a camcorder despite all the professional 4k60 HDR gear that I already have. We had been looking at some of her dad's old tapes and getting to see her and her siblings when they were really little was very cool. My dad also has a bunch of tapes but I don't have a player for his stuff so I haven't tried to get him to hand over what he has yet. I ended up going with a very compact JVC camera straight from Japan. The quality is just decent at 1080P30 but that's what I wanted. I knew if it looked too good then it would take away from the purpose of having an actual camcoder. Maybe my wife was tuned into something that is more prevalent with normal (non-photography/videography oriented) people, but I do agree with others that many of the cameras out there are way overpriced for what you are getting. I saw many basic HD camcorders going for 2 or 3 times the MSRP from just a few years ago. Unfortunately there is no sanity in the market anymore.
Yo i have a camcorder it was my parents’ and it’s like new now. i fixed it before this video because i got into the whole camcorder game before christmas. These cameras surprisingly can record video to SD, in 320p or 320i, which is super low compared to today’s standards, and the night vision is almost useless. I use mine the way it was meant to, no extra screens, just a MiniDV JVC or Fuji tape and some tacky effects, gives it a unique look. Can’t wait to attend car shows, def think i’ll get some sick footage there.
It is a fun thing but it is like going back almost 30 years. You will have to make a video with one of the old cameras and try to upscale to 720p and post it. 🙂
I once got a Sony MiniDV for free with a camera backpack. It worked fine so I kept it. Sold it last month for $100! So now... Got the backpack free plus an extra $75! Nice. Thanks kids.
The half-plugged-in thing can be resolved by cutting and switching wires around in the cable. You probably don't even need to solder it, a tight wrap and some electrical tape would probably get you done.
Although now that I think about it you'd need some kind of meter to figure out which wire goes to which bit of the connector, so maybe you do need to be a little more prepared than I initially imagined.
also I have a canned answer to anyone who thinks a cell phone is a camera.... I remind people of the old TV/VCR/DVD combo devices where you get the lowest quality common denominator. The device might do everything, but it does everything poorly. that is exactly what a phone does. If I want to prove the existence of an alien encounter or grab a qr code then the phone is fine... for all else, get a dedicated item for a dedicated task. this is true for PC's, laptops, tablets and phones... they all seem similar but they aren't.
One unfortunate thing about those composite-video capture things is that you lose a lot in terms of video quality. I got an old 20$ laptop with firewire so I could get the footage from my Sony miniDV camera without any compression + at 50 fps (interlaced though). The footage is really good!
I've seen some good side by sides and I felt like it was good enough, I couldnt really tell the difference in a blind test. I'm sure some are worse than others though. Also probably matters more with more serious camcorders
@@snappiness Oh definitely. My Sony TRV900 (MiniDV camcorder) cost around $3,700 in 1998, and the quality is pretty insane. There isn't any sort of a sharpening filter in the camcorder like you might find on other camcorders, and the video quality is probably not too far from the best you could get out of MiniDV. The lens is sharp, and despite being a 12x zoom lens, the aperture is F/1.6 to F/2.8. With three CCD sensors, lowlight video is insane- and there isn't even a NightShot mode. To give you an idea, I can use the camera after sunset with a 1/500 shutter speed at F/2.8 with 0 gain!
I was gonna comment this. I use a Canon GL2 and had a composite converter and the quality was just awful. When I use my FireWire card in my pc, I can export video at 1080p 60fps and it looks substantially better. I don’t think the convenience is worth it unless you wanna look back at footage and you don’t wanna burn the tape heads out
Yeah, composite sucks. Going to at least S-Video would be a massive improvement in quality.
@@forevernotjohn what was the converter you were using, do you remember?
I always just answer the "why bother?" question with a mixture of "Because I want to." and "it's fun". That's usually all people need to know. lol
I love that this is a thing. Made me dig up the old Panasonic PVGS14 that my parents bought when I was in High School and I've used when I went on a trip to Japan. Using it again is crazy nostalgic, and I think you hit the nail in the head when you talked about this tech that was used when we were younger now somehow finds its way to capture memories in the present. It's like our childhood and the memories we make now made a shortcut and connect to each other haha
What a coincidence that you post this today. I snagged a Sony DCR-TRV320 a few weeks ago at a thrift store in the hopes of using it to recover footage from a stack of Digital8 (digital Hi8) tapes I’ve had floating around for the last 20+ years. One of them happened to be footage from my honeymoon that I thought was lost long ago. After some attempts to get a FireWire pcie card, and necessary software to work on windows 10/11 I pulled an ancient 12” PowerBook from my collection and used iMovie ‘06 to ingest the footage.
@@chris.cantwell nice! These are the kinds of projects that are so satisfying when they finally work, and so frustrating along the way 😂
@ Frustrating is right. I did get an opportunity to validate my obsession with and hoarding of vintage gear, so that’s a plus. And my teenage daughters got a kick out of seeing their parents as a young married couple.
I think this is your most concise and straight to the point video yet. Nicely done. Happy snappin and happpy holidays.
I was pleasantly surprised at how good the battery life with MiniDV camcorders is, went on a week+ long hike and the battery was still at 60 percent after filming multiple cassettes worth of video in cold weather. Sure, i do not have any new camcorders to compare with, but none of my other video-capable cameras would last more than 2-3 days with the same amount of filming before the battery goes flat.
You can also find a mid 2000s camcorder that records onto an HDD AND SD card. I purchased a Vixia HG21 last year and its the perfect balance of picture quality and nostalgia.
Bought my grail camcorder the Sony PC-1 in mint condition as seen in American Beauty. Ive been searching for years for a working model at a decent price. Came with box and all accessories. Battery was dead but bought a new 3rd party generic as well as a 3 pack of new MiniDV tapes. I use a RCA to USB capture cable with the boxed AV cables and import/record via OBS.
What was the cost of this package deal you got?
@@PumaM90 $123.99 Buy it now back in September 2024. A steal at the time.
Here in Serbia we have Buvljak it's physical market for selling everything similar to garage sale! You can find this old big camcorders from $15 to $40 😀
Wasn't it the case the later miniDV cassettes were capable of full HD recording and had minimal to no compression, offering better video bitrates than the first sd cards, because the early sd cards had pretty slow write speeds, back in the early 2000s.
I have gone from owning no camcorders to now seven sitting on the shelf in two weeks! It is a bit addicting to hunt for all these cameras that I once dreamed of but could never afford growing up. I am also doing the DVR route, until my cleaning tape arrive from Japan, but what I found is that DV was sort of the "bad digital" you had mentioned in another video, and I found that VHS-C and Hi8 yield for a much more lofi result!
I’ve been collecting camcorders for a long time and I don’t film with them at all, I collect all the funky looking ones and the unique ones, I love the weird formats like I have an open reel camcorder and I also have Betamax and some other ones
I have an old camcorder, circa 1998 -- it's a bit older than that, but it's still old 🙂 Fun fact about "Victor" it was originally the Japanese subsidiary of the US Victor Talking Machine Company, which manufactured and sold phonograph players (RCA bought out Victor) -- When WWII came around JVC decided to decouple from the parent company. Retaining the Victor and "His Master's Voice" trademark for use in Japan.
NOT me looking at 8mm camcorders on another screen... XD
Ive done this to my panasonic nv-gs90. I used cheapo mini dvr without screen. I did for it 3d printed shelf so it was mounted cleanly on camcorder body. Also I soldered custom av cable. To power it I designed 3d printed battery case and build it with li-ion cells from disposable vape pens founded in trash. To charge it I used 2s li-ion charging board with usb-c input.
Mine camcorder have separate dc socket (I bet it was standard at the time) so there is also option to power it with newer powerbank with right adapter cable. It was really fun project.
What would be reason to convert analog camcorders to digital when there are so many digital ones from around similar time are also around.
I think the later model of DV standard video camcorder that use internal hard drive or memory card instead of tape will give you similar result but it will not have a mess of ripping your video from tape. These digital camcorders may not have to use TV Tuner or Capture Card to take video from them like camcorders before digital era (VHSC and Video8 format) but the process is not really just drag and drop. When I tried to get video out from camera into file the first time I don't want to deal with them again.
I had a JVC cassette recorder in the 70's and found out that JVC stood for Victor Corporation of Japan. I believe they rearranged the letter order so it rolled off the tongue better.
There is no need to digitise DV tapes at all. They are already storing digital video.
Same mistake again at about 5:05. These miniDV cameras already record digitally.
I feel one of the reasons aside from asthetics is that when i record on my phone, space is always a hinderance. When i watch older videos shot on tape, i notice i just keep recording for 30min-1 hour..where with my phone i record under a minute. Also, tapes area easier to archive if you use tapes. As far as SD cards, i feel it’s easier to organize one entire un edited event which was recorded not stop.
We are at the same point similar to the time of CDs and streaming but people wanted vinyl.
Except that vinyl is pure analog. This is not. Zero point in this.
You completely missed the point if you think millenials got into vinyl because it was "pure analog" - a quality even audiophiles can't distinguish when subjected to a double blinded test
You can also go the slightly easier route for a similar vibe with early non-tape camcorders. I've got one from a friend that has micro-HDMI out, though sadly that output doesn't work due to the connector being... well... micro-HDMI.
Mini DVD is a cool format and allows you to put the discs into any old dvd drive to get the footage. That gives you a perfect replication of the original file and you don’t have to bother with buying capture cards
I have a Canon Elura 100. It will record video to the SD card but at terrible quality. I'll record on mini DV then plug it in to my Retrotink 4k and capture the footage that way. My capture card can only do 1080p so the tink will take the footage and upscale it to 1080. The DV footage is really good and you are right it invokes that nostalgia that you can't really get by applying filters to modern footage
I feel like tapeless recording is the way to go for new content. About 4 years ago I was trying to capture 20+ year old miniDV tapes over FireWire and found my latest camcorder was having problems with the audio. I sent it in for service but that only marginally improved it. I got a second miniDV camcorder and there were still audio problems and drop outs. I don't know if it's because of head alignment differences from my original Sony DCR-PC1 or if something happened to the tape media over time. It's a cautionary tale to not sit on old media as you get newer hardware. They might not work when you try to play it.
It's always fun seeing old tech being used today. Have you tried any of the early digital camcorders? You have me curious about how different the look is.
Im so glad i hung onto my power play from my analog fpv days.
My brother used to record on our old family camcorder by plugging the video out through some sort of a capture card that plugged into his phones usb port, then he changed the input source in his phone camera app to the camcorder output similarly like you would with a webcam and recorded videos straight into his phone. He was doing this like 5 years ago, i never understood why. But he had it setup pretty nice, you could even livestream the footage or use it for video calls.
I have a few newer Canon and Panasonic camcorders that record onto SD card. I kind of wish there was a way to change the aspect ratio to 4:3 in camera but the crazy long optical zoom, stabilisation, ease of use (pull out the screen and they are good to go) and the ease of editing the files on a last gen iPad mini makes them a great tool for capturing memories while on vacation.
Meanwhile… CINEMA cameras are now dirt cheap. I bought a Sony NEX-FS100 with the 18-200 lens for $450. The lens is worth that much by itself. I can buy an FS700 with the 18-200 powerzoom lens, which is 4K capable for less than $900. That is likely the next toy on my list. I just prefer E-mount for my lenses.
I like FireWire/iLink camcorders for tapeless applications. I still have a Sony VX2000 (it could be a PD150 as well) somewhere. FireWire will give you highest fidelity. :) VX2000 is a distant predecessor of cinema cameras. It had a 3CCD sensor, FireWire, built-in ND, and other professional features.
When I find my VX2000 in storage, I won’t be keeping it. My FS100 is far more capable. I’ll let someone else enjoy it.
I’m making a doco about an independent record label whose heyday was when these cams were big. I think it might be excellent to get b-cam on one of these to link the look of the clean and sharp contemporary interviews back to the camcorder past.
used to use an old camcorder to record FPV drone footage, which didn’t work well as the camera stopped recording every time the signal got bad. Got a PowerPlay because it’s designed to keep going no matter how bad the composite signal is, and now the ironic thing has happened where I can now use the powerplay on the camcorder
I shoot just straight to tape and use QuickTime to import footage on an older Mac with Firewire. Looks a lot better than the little converter boxes. There are a bunch of SD cameras that shot to SD card are cheaper than those converters.
I like this. Didn't know it was possible. I have an old camcorder (kind of old myself) so I'll be checking this out. Thanks!
I like my digital 8 sony camera, I have a Windows XP computer that I've maintained so I just capture the file over firewire and go from there. Pretty fun stuff.
they make av cables that resolve the cable having to be partially out. they are kinda spendy, i think $30 or so.
Strange to record externally and still expect that interlaced look since many of the external recorders record in progressive . It will have an impact on the look to some extent.
I bought and old canon mv camcorder from 2005 for about 15 dollars mini dv , and too my surprise after using it for some time with tape i noticed a small little latch , it was and sd card slot 😅, the old timey sd, i bought one that was compatible for testing (1GB) and it works flawlessly and gives the same image quality and y2k aesthetic as the minidv , its seems to me that as we left the tape era and eased into the digital some of those later models incorporated both formats , so if you're on the look for the minidv look without having to mod one to accept sd , i believe it to be a good option also , they can be tricky to find and there doesnt seem to be much information online ,my model is the canon mv830 mini dv , love the channel 😀
I think a big reason people are gravitating towards these cameras is the global shutter capture method they use.
Who'd have thought it looks good for a device whose purpose is to capture movement to faithfully capture movement instead of smearing it?
Crash zooms and fast pans are great.
This is exactly why I picked up a Pentax MX-4, I got one with battery, charger, and wide angle adapter for $100 and it's the perfect early 2000s camcorder video aesthetic
Really interesting, I just got my hands on a free Sony HVR-Z1E HDCAM, thought of buying an external recorder but was thinking of Atomos Ninja type devices which are expensive for an experiment like this ... but those cheap small recorder / screen devices have me considering it again. Yes, after years of assembling a rig around a DSLR/Mirrorless body core, the camcorder form factor with everything just there and ready seems so refreshing ! XLR audio, quick ND access, zoom (hate zooms in shot tho).
I’ve been using a $15 composite to HDMI adapter to record from my Panasonic DVX-100b into my Atomos Ninja V+. Already had the Ninja for my other cameras and it’s been great to have the bigger display and capture a wide variety of footage. Some clients want that DV look.
I have been using a Sony dcr-sr32 (a hdd camcorder) and it has that retro vibe and it is great.
i am trying to do the same thing using a different canon model but idk it isnt outputing anything out, i was trying to output to a tv using av to composite cable is there any suggestions?
So in japan the vx1000 had the hvr mrc1 that recorded video to cf card. Super pricey today but highly worth it sinceit allowed to to record video from the mini firewire port. Also firestore had many av recording devices back in the day
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One stupid question: so I guess that setup would work too with my analog Sony super 8 video camera?
You can just get a composite to UVC adapter, and record onto your phone.
I love the sony vx1000. So many good memories from that camera.
Great topic, it’s interesting how the old technology is making a gradual comeback
A composite to USB adapter would also work when plugged into an iPhone or iPad in webcam mode! Great way to skip the PC transfer too
In your opinion, which is the digital handycam with the image quality closest to a VHS?
These crazes can be useful. I have recently sold my Fujifilm X-E1 that I had bought used in 2015 for 300 EUR, for 250 EUR. Basically, sold my camera and 27mm pancake for only 80 euros less than I paid and got a used X-E3. And I remember when cameras like mine were lingering in the ads for about 100 EUR for months without selling. It just took nostalgia for the X trans sensor and a few UA-cam videos to spark the revival, and the prices went through the roof.
Slightly off topic, I recently watched a video on how cheap cameras like the original Canon C100 are today. Especially if you shop around for batteries. For anyone content with full HD - and who isn't on most viewing platforms - old pro and semi-pro digital camcorders make a lot of sense. On topic, Sony's full size DV tape camcorders have a lot of control for enthusiastic video makers.
Its a better option to get a $25 mini fpv dvr recorder module! You won't have to deal with the bulky screen strapped to the camcorder and it completely streamlines the setup!🙌🏼
Im experimenting with the same setup but with vacuum tube cameras. Nuvicon, Plumbicon, etc. It's a challenge but fun. I just got the Portta for Christmas. Cheaper but requires external power.
That's very cool. Yet another rabbit hole to dive down!
wow.. do i get to dig out my old jvc full size vhs unit and flex like mad?
I have quite the collection of rare tape and disc format camcorders. Even the minidisc camcorder. 😅
Some of the very early cheapo off-brand standard def camcorders that records to SD cards has a similar video aesthetic. More portable and less cumbersome to handle and transfer for editing. If you want the ultimate in quirky tape camcorders it has to be the Sony Micro-MV tape system, a marvel in engineering！
Some camcorders can actually record video to the sd card. Though the one that i have (Panasonic nv-gs55) records to sd ib lower resolution and with lower framerate because the video is not interlaces unlike on tape, so in addition it almost doesn't look like camcorder footage, but it's still fun
A good argument could be" I choose the camera+sensor as a starting point to get to the end result/look quicker, so it saves time" . This goes for all camera btw. If you want your stuff to look like everyone else's then use what they use...,
That's so sick!! Mist be so much easier to get older footage now!
I've always loved camcorders, started messing around with them when I was young making short films, I wanted to move to something that I could change lenses on and remember being disappointed that mirrorless stills cameras were pretty much the only offering, ended up getting the original Sony A7S which I was happy with, except I still find myself missing the ergonomics of a camcorder, even to this day no one is making a decent interchangeable lens camcorder that doesn't break the bank! Apart from a few exceptions like the JVC GY-LS300, and the old Sony "NEX-VGXX" line-up, I would love for Sony to release a next generation VG900 Full Frame Prosumer Interchangeable Lens Camcorder, the amazing technology they have in the Alpha series line crammed into a camcorder that doesn't cost thousands like the FX6.... I would be soooo happy
I will try the AV out capture option. I have a great Canon mini-DV camcorder but getting the FireWire (IEEE 1394) output to work with anything else is a nightmare, since FW is a dead interface. That’s a shame because the output on that camcorder is very high quality.
I love my sony cx405. It's not tape but it's everything that a person needs in a camcorder. We love making family videos on it.
Hey great video. What about early noughties sad card camcorders equipped with the ccd sensor. Maybe we will get a video on those. Happy holidays!
i dont see anything being filmed on these uploaded to any main site
Great video. Do you have any Links to any actual movies or vlog. Type videos that have been done with this kind of affair please?
I think to really appreciate the filmic quality. One has to watch a proper video in order to do so. Although in the example that you shown, I can understand exactly what you are saying.
Excellent post. Thank you! Happy New Year!
Interesting timing on this - until a few weeks ago, I was using a Canon HV20 that I bought back in college, connected to an HDMI to USB adapter as a webcam. Frankly, it had better video quality than any USB webcam I've tried. Unfortunately, years of being powered on 24/7 took their toll, and after a recent power outage, it wouldn't power back on. RIP.
Anyway, that's the only caveat I can contribute: don't leave your vintage camcorder powered on constantly, or it might not last - though I don't anticipate most people will run into that specific issue, LOL.
I like my old tape camcorders, but when I wanted one to be "tapeless" due to a dodgy mechanism that I couldn't repair properly, I just went out and bought a memory card camcorder instead :).
They’re a bunch of portable DVR’s, many of them cheap but also low quality, it’s best to invest in something better avoiding paying twice (one for the cheap one and another for the better), this kind for FPV video recording are on the middle range of price (yes they’re are more expressive ones) and have great recording quality and works with almost any home camera, also you can make a custom cable soldering any input like composite video to a 2.5mm jack. By the way, to avoid that annoying issue of connect it only to the middle section, you can simply put an O ring on the plug, and you can simply plug it to the bottom and would make the connection you need
Is that not the old rca logo on the victor cameras?
So instead of buying batteries, I bought DC-DC voltage converters and can either use the DC port or the battery pins themselves. I’m also recording my footage using a RCA-HDMI converter and an older Atomos ninja 2. I haven’t done much with the footage yet but it’s in the plans lol
Shout out from Valencia. Love your style and content
I have a semi-pro Panasonic DV with great lens and full audio I/O. Picked up a cheap composite - to - HDMI convertor and plugged it into my Ninja V. Looked awesome on the Ninja but on any display larger than 5" looks like crap. Gave up on that.
I love camcorders but I'm into the more pro, interchangeable lens, types now that they're more affordable. Like the Sony VG30, JVC LS300 and even a Sony FS5
Suggestion, Usb-c->A adapter + an EasyVid AV usb capture device + phone app that lets you use usb video capture devices = Way cheaper?
Does anyone know of some iPhone apps that let you capture from a usb capture card?
Hey I have a Sony CCD-V200E camcorder from my grandpa and I'm just wondering if anyone has found the battery for this thing, because this didn't come with one and finding one where I am is like virtually impossible
I have an old Canon G9 camera. It shoots video at 640x480 onto an SD card. Many other older cameras would do the same. Sounds like less work than using tapes.
I have 2 mini dv camcorders and love them. The reason is the old school look to my work. I think analog art should be raw and gritty and imperfect as far as technology but that is just my opinion. I also schoot 35mm and 120 film. Nothing digital.
I have a $20 dash cam who's footage looks just like old 90's skate films but oddly has this awesome in camera stabilization. (very jello) but i live the craptastic look that comes out of it. the dash mount broke so if i want to use it ...lets just say it takes a lot of gaff and an external power bank to run.
Marcos Pix (an actual film producer) channel made a video of inexpensive non know branded camcorders... . about 20 video cameras and the images produced were compared.. and immediately it became apparent it dosent need a brand name to produce "that Look" your use of "Cheap" immediately de-values what can be achieved on unknow inexpensive Chinese video cameras .... My opinion best is the pause button ..seldom mentioned.. instant editing... simple to use... each with an individual " Cinematic Look "
Oh well. So much for my plans to buy a tube-corder for cheap just for the fun of it.
My wife recently wanted me to buy a camcorder despite all the professional 4k60 HDR gear that I already have. We had been looking at some of her dad's old tapes and getting to see her and her siblings when they were really little was very cool. My dad also has a bunch of tapes but I don't have a player for his stuff so I haven't tried to get him to hand over what he has yet. I ended up going with a very compact JVC camera straight from Japan. The quality is just decent at 1080P30 but that's what I wanted. I knew if it looked too good then it would take away from the purpose of having an actual camcoder. Maybe my wife was tuned into something that is more prevalent with normal (non-photography/videography oriented) people, but I do agree with others that many of the cameras out there are way overpriced for what you are getting. I saw many basic HD camcorders going for 2 or 3 times the MSRP from just a few years ago. Unfortunately there is no sanity in the market anymore.
Yo i have a camcorder it was my parents’ and it’s like new now. i fixed it before this video because i got into the whole camcorder game before christmas.
These cameras surprisingly can record video to SD, in 320p or 320i, which is super low compared to today’s standards, and the night vision is almost useless.
I use mine the way it was meant to, no extra screens, just a MiniDV JVC or Fuji tape and some tacky effects, gives it a unique look.
Can’t wait to attend car shows, def think i’ll get some sick footage there.
never done this but i will say: use the s-video port if you can, it will have better quality than the av
It is a fun thing but it is like going back almost 30 years. You will have to make a video with one of the old cameras and try to upscale to 720p and post it. 🙂
Soon they will be coming for our DSLRs
Looks fun
Как я раньше до этого не додумался 😅
Still got my handful of Sony MiniDV Handycams
I once got a Sony MiniDV for free with a camera backpack. It worked fine so I kept it. Sold it last month for $100! So now... Got the backpack free plus an extra $75! Nice. Thanks kids.
Haha, nice!
hey old cameras are really cool.. i always make sure they are bargains though..
haha maybe the price of minidisc walkmans will come down now 😅
I had those but i will never go back.
I kinda dislike tapeless camcorder setups since you could buy a fully digital camcorder that has the same quality as tape
My micro 4/3 camera shoots 480P video just like a old 90s camcorder❤
Sometimes you can’t get rid of the menu items when you record
Does that just depend on the model?
@@snappiness Yes. My camcorder doesn't output the on screen info by default.
Just digitize the tapes, much easier than having a box taped to your camcorder.
The half-plugged-in thing can be resolved by cutting and switching wires around in the cable. You probably don't even need to solder it, a tight wrap and some electrical tape would probably get you done.
Although now that I think about it you'd need some kind of meter to figure out which wire goes to which bit of the connector, so maybe you do need to be a little more prepared than I initially imagined.
also I have a canned answer to anyone who thinks a cell phone is a camera.... I remind people of the old TV/VCR/DVD combo devices where you get the lowest quality common denominator. The device might do everything, but it does everything poorly. that is exactly what a phone does. If I want to prove the existence of an alien encounter or grab a qr code then the phone is fine... for all else, get a dedicated item for a dedicated task. this is true for PC's, laptops, tablets and phones... they all seem similar but they aren't.