So let me get this straight, the most powerful country in the world fought in Afghanistan for 20 years spent a trillion of my dollars and now we are coming home with our tail between our legs. We suck at this.
@@DontDrinkthatstuff well well you get it Now america is going to be raped hard by China remember the petro-dollars fails the dollars fails no money=no soldiers
@Barrack Obummer Hussein Osama Trump was in the process of withdrawing all troops,he also had a May 1st deadline, who is this violent felon you speak of?
@Barrack Obummer Hussein Osama I understand you think that's what Liberals stand for but why are you blaming them for the troop withdrawal,when the Republicans wanted it done sooner.....I think all 3 parties are fucked up and wasteful,
This is the example of usa again. Usa fall to elect good leader to lead the country. This is not fall like saigon. This perfectly match for fallen of phnom penh . Usa rush airphone to evaluate their embassy from phnom penh because khmer Rouge get in fastest despite gov elect by usa have army 10 to 1 against khmer Rouge. Usa didn't learn their mistakes. It is over again lol.
Nothing like Saigon? What were we trying to accomplish over there for 20 years anyways? you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. We tried to help those people build a government so that they could defend themselves but i guess they just don't want that or really enjoy living in terror and chaos on a daily basis? I don't think as a free American citizen that we have the ability to figure those people out.
(1) Unlike the anglo/zion Godless secular capitalists system, the Taliban religion follows Islamic justice backed by natural biological facts. (2) Unlike the anglo/zion civil society code where women are exploited as public property, the Taliban strictly apply Sharia code where women are given a stake in the family institution at the starting age of puberty or upward, where the husband is the head of the family institution, and the mother is elevated to the status of parenthood and servitude by her family as commanded by God, Qur'an. 4;36 Allah says: "Worship God and join not any partners with Him, and be kind to your parents...and Quran 17;23 say not fie [uff] to your parents. (3) Unlike the anglo/zion morally corrupt cruel justice system that encourages forever argument that takes decades to solve a single dispute, the Taliban Sharia judiciary system serves justice based on Sharia there and then on the spot, by a qualified trained Qazi [Judge] who knows all the Quran & hadiths by heart, therefore, the Taliban's Godly system relieves both parties to live worry-free peacefully which helps parties focus more with their immediate family. (4) Unlike the anglo/zion fiat money usurping usury-based capitalist economic system, the Taliban State practices Islamic Theocracy based on interests free loans to individuals or sole traders and repayments are based on means-tested. Tax is levied at a single level across the board at one-fortieth [2.5%] never/ever increases or decreases, and Shaia system uses gold and silver currency that has inherent value, there is no chance of inflation ever, that also helps nourishes human soul spiritually to be at peace with oneself and trouble-free with probate issues, where family estates shares are set in stone forever.
@@sultanmahmood6396 Bruh! If you believe these radicalized extremists are following Islam you are so very wrong. Taliban choose the Islamic teachings they like and ignore the one's they do not. The Quran says "Let there be no compulsion in religion". The Taliban on the other hand enforce religion upon everyone. This totalitarian society is so very different from the society back in the Islamic Golden Age, if you per say, believe that that is what the Taliban are trying to achieve. Scientific and Technological advancement were encouraged, not abhorred. The most strict of those early era Islamic Kingdom was maybe the Caliphate of Umar. And people were allowed to criticize him. Once a woman did, and Umar had to aplologize. Nobody's allowed to criticize the Taliban.
That is so sad That only those soldiers matter and no one is talking about the kids and women who were kidnapped and all innocent people who have died.
Nop, the way US sent troops to Afghanistan was to catch Bin Laden, the Terrorist who destroyed World Trade Center in NY. When Bin Laden was killed, US military's mission was over but US want to keep the friendship with Afghanistan government that was why US Troops stayed up to now. Also US need to move the Troops to SCS.
@@movieman175 if they can make bombs they can learn to fly helicopters. Let's not underestimate them. And don't be so naive to think they're all uneducated
The fall of many weapons from the US into the hands of the Tall its Band cannot be separated from the betrayal of the fake Rep. Joy Binladen to world peace, through his flirting with the radical politician Silam, £!nd@ $@r$0ur during the presidential election. Joy Binladen is the most disgusting US President in US history, who has the heart to sacrifice the people for personal ambition. Joy Binladen is a true sycophant. US people are aware.
@@hoosierhiver 10000 US dollars for 1 toilet seat, 1280 US dollars for a coffee cup.U.S military-industrial complex" really as corrupt as many believe it to be
Is that what it is??? I remember,the scripture about Moses,where he asked God for wisdom,because the needs and the demands for the people were becoming to burdensome. His spirit was becoming weary,so the story implies. Can you imagine,had he not had the spiritual descernment to know,to be able to see himself falling into the other side,where the burden,and the darkness which is because of the heaviness,and the lonliness the job damends,can you imagine,had he not seen it inside if him,it would have overtaken him,but ..he asked God,for wisdom to know what to do. So,he picked out leaders to head with the people's and part different ways,to divide the burdens...and alleviate it,to lessen the yolk... We can assume he chose the best fit for the job,but...even then,just as the apostles were divided...because they truly...truly ,didn't learn ,for the most part,learn the ways of Jesus...in name,they worshipped him. They adored him. But they truly could not,and did not,understand and become one with his spirit...had they done so,they would not have become divided,each with their point of view. So it must have happened with Moses,the spirit Moses had,the wisdom,he was given,was not the same as whom he appointed over the people. Sure,they must have had some,the best he can find,but it is never the original. And again,even then...his anger got the best of him ... How much do we expect out if generations where the people and their(our)demands have grown more numerous,harder to keep track of,no matter how many rules,how many regulators...the burdens simply become overwhelming. We try to keep the law,but,it is impossible to keep the law,where we,the people have fallen through the sins of Gods law,as opposed to the laws of man. Pride,being the most dangerous,it is where we first fell from grace. We did not acknowledge our guilt,we did not see where we went wrong,so we pointed at the most ovious,the other side. When sin comes from inside...there is no side that is wrong,because it is from the spirit,in which makes sin. Pride can make sin greater,it weighs...it angers...it strengthenes the hand of what we don't understand,because there is alit we can't see,things we've done,and have no idea how the most innocent of actions,or so it seemed,even good deeds become entangled with other things far from us. To the point where,we can't see,if we even try to destroy the corruption,we destroy ourselves. Because it is all tied with bonds only Jesus can break...only he can break the yolk. He rose...where no one would dare because they knew what sit meant. It's happening now,though we can't comprehend what we're doing. We think Jesus came to bring peace,but there can't be peace,where there was never peace,in our hearts. He knew his actions would cause a collapse. If we know that,why then,do we act as if we can avoid the collapse? When that is the only thing that will set us free? What do we think,how do we think,God dicerns we,the people's hearts,enough to say,the people wanted to be like the other kingdoms,and have a king also. We chose to be governed,over and over again. If we look back into those days,and see the people in which he refered to...as the people who wanted a king...a government,and not God alone,do you think,those people thought,they were those whom he would be referring to??? Just as today,the spirit of Jesus,wants to break the chains,so that we can be free...but we live the chains,because we can not...do not,want to endure suffering. And yes,I include myself,I know I can't stop what's coming,I accept it,because I know we have driven grace away,because we hardened our hearts,so I am aware of what is to come. It is not good,not for me,not for my children. But I ask for endurance ,and rely on the gift he left,the holy spirit.,because I know,when it comes,if I am alive by then,that it won't be easy. I pray his spirit does not leave me,ir that I don't forget it,because,if I had it,it would not have left.
@@MalcolmXpat For the public "liberate Afghanistan from Taliban control" in reality it was to have influence in the middle east and allow the military industrial complex to make weapons and vehicles.
@@movieman175 Germany was able to re-arm between WW1 and WW2 because France pulled it's troops out of the Rhineland in 1935. just like ISIS was able to re-arm after we pulled out of Iraq in 2011. If you don't see the similarities then don't worry, Obama and France didn't think an early withdrawal was a big deal either. Once Al Qaeda comes back into power they'll prove my point for me.
I'm Afghan and it breaks my heart to see this happening. My family will never get to see Afghanistan in peace again. Thanks to Canada for taking us in in 1993 when the Taliban took over and now a repeat. I just hope that these innocent people have the luxury that I did
What I am still worrying next is the aftermath, the aftermath of Vietnam after the fall of saigon is ok, Vietnam already have a good relationship with the us, who know what is gonna be next for the taliban, any wars could happen at any time.
Well now we know that it was always true that the Army Generals in charge were lying about the condition of the Afghanistan Security Forces to make themselves look good for promotion. Fact is that the Taliban recruit better male age personnel to train and fight. This means the an Afghan military age male can be trained. The poorly inadequate trained Afghanistan Security Forces (ASF) were trained by U.S. and Coalition forces taking direction from their Generals in charge. Who should be held accountable for all the $ spend to equip and train the ASF? Prosecute the Generals that were in charge and the rest will learn what happens when you lie about the facts and conditions of a security force they are responsible to train.
this is not about soldiers on the field, but the politicians in charge and policymakers creating this disaster. dive deeper into the Afghan matter and you will know.
That's what I absolutely despise about our government. They didn't want to talk to officers like that one Major in the Vice documentary this is what winning looks like. He was the only one who was honest about them not making any progress the government just wants the generals to put on a dog and pony show when they arrive at the fortified FOB. Not once did any US official take any walks through Afghan neighborhoods If you're too scared to do something as simple as that then what the hell are we even doing there. All those American and NATO troops are dead for nothing people to get off their butts and demand a change in our foreign policy so this never happens again.
It's like someone's been helping you and feeding you for 20 years, you've become too lazy to go out and find a job, Now you are about to cry for help. What's wrong with you? Think about it!
I don't know what USA was doing in Afghanistan for 20 years? What USA has achieved in these 20 yrs? If 350k Afghan troops can not control 75k Taliban. Than who should be blamed? This war is a forever war..but I pray for peace.
What EXACTLY do you think we lost? What SPECIFICALLY was there to win or are you just another dump on the very soldiers that were there for YOU because it's fun internet warrior without a clue? I'm in the military. Same thing happened in Iraq on one of our deployments. Here is a TON of training, funds and weapons now go defend yourselves because we will not be here indefinitely. They ran away. Left everything behind from guns to tanks. Do you even know why we were there for 20 years? If you had a clue you would know it was OUR FREAKING CHESSBOARD moron. And I am speaking as one of those "pawns" you hold in such high regard while thinking we just get thrown away.
@@jaiminpatel2784 lol the US trained troops for the afgan army for the last 20 years. They have had all of the benefit of the US and obviously haven't done enough in that time.
"You can sell tribal people cheap whiskey, you can sell them trinkets, you can even sell them firearms, but you cannot sell them ideas." Marshall McLuhan - 1977
@@treerat6959 I wonder what is worse- being forced into service by the Taliban, or being forced into economic servitude by the richest 1%ers here in America. Seems to me that both are about the same.
@@Jay-hr3rh Every since the U.S. switched from total war to limited warfare, they seemed they have always lost due to politics and the American public quick disinterest.
Afghan's people are warriors. No nation in history had beaten them. They maybe able to stay a few years but eventually all had to leave hurriedly with tails behind their legs. The history of the Great Games played by the Super nations of the world should have been learnt.
What are you talking about?? The Americans occupied the country for 20 years!! Afghanistan is a graveyard for their own people. A completely failed nation, and its has been so for centuries.
Childrens are being killed coz they wanna study and listen to music ,women are being raped because their clothes are trasparent according to taliban ,so just think about the conscequences before you write anything buddy .
My prayers are with the people of Afghanistan. The taliban will kidnap, rape, kill, and destroy. Oh Father God protect these people, let your name be glorified, let these people come to you for their salvation. Lord forgive us for turning our back on these people. In the name of your precious Son Amen.🙏🏼
Kidnaping , Raping , killing innocent kids , women , elders nothing more than propaganda. If you ever go thorough Muslim warriors History , you will never find a single such story. Islamic shariah war laws do not allow these negative attitudes. World must know Taliban are not like US & Nato or Afghan troop. drop weapons , Stay at home , Stay safe. May Allah Guide us , Help us , Lead us towards Right , Toward Truth & towards everlasting Success here & after , Amen
America funded taliban and help to grow..Then wage war against them..Afterall leave afghanistan by giving more equipments free for taliban...wow!! Foolss
This is actually historically inaccurate. Afghanistan has been conquered many times by outside empires. The idea that it's a graveyard for empires literally only applies to one nation...the Soviet Union.
The poeple of afghanistan will suffer so much, just because some us politicians decided to get more votes in the next election by pulling us forces out
They’ve been waiting for this since day one, they seen Vietnam they know what’s know what’s gonna happen. America not going to stay in that country forever.
Kandahar, Helmand and Herat was the bait to keep the main Afghan forces away while they go blitzkrieg in the north. Ghazni could be the start of cutting off exit route leaving the army, almost all conscripted from the north, stranded inside traditionally Taliban Pashtun area. Brilliant.
Kabul will fall in days. The Taliban now has all the high tech weapons abandoned by the Afghan army and they have tremendous support among the people. U.S. money did not buy loyalty, but it never does.
Summary of Undeniable Facts : *1-Vietnam , a 15 years war- which the U.S. Lost . ( See below) *2-Afghanistan; A 20 years war- Longest war ever , which the U.S. Lost too. ( See below) *Fact # 1-Congress considers the Vietnam Era to be “The period beginning on Feb. 28, 1961 and ending on May 7, 1975 … *Fact *2 The United States invasion of Afghanistan occurred after the September 11 attacks in late 2001 and was supported by close US allies which had officially begun the War on Terror.
@@dritemolawzbks8574 America went to the middle east to take out people of power and place puppets. They milked the country dry and now that there is nothing we need, we are leaving.
who said the US lost? it was not about "winning", it's about money for the military industrial complex. Of course the ones who really lose are the taxpayers and the Afghans
@@Grzmnky LOL Afghanistan is still estimated to have trillions of dollars worth of untapped rare earth minerals. We failed miserably and now China and Russia have set up trade deals with the Taliban for Russian and Chinese mining companies to extract once the Kabul government collapses. We failed miserably geopolitically... we didn’t milk crap from that country.
@@PakistanDefenseForum I'm just saying, if the Taliban is really a threat, I'm sure their neighbors will keep them at bay. If not, that's their problem. Not America's
So Americans can’t buy Humvees because they’re too expensive but we’re giving them for free to the Taliban, even a helicopter. Ahh same old good USA. This is why people voted for Trump because he wanted to take care of Americans First. I’m a Democrat and I’m voting for Trump if he runs again.
@E M Not at all.. if Afghanis don't want the Taliban running things, it's up to them to do something about it, nobody else, it's their country. For America It's been 20 years of wasted lives, (both Afghani and American ). pointless destruction and wasted money..
For the local Afghanistan forces, it is similar to the situation in Vietnam: no one likes the enemy, and their own government is also not good enough for them to die for (possibly due to corruption). It looks like they were poorly motivated.
And not a lot of time at that! Watch the money, when the Afghan Gov start emptying their treasury it will be less than 48hr until the last flight out of Kabul.
Yup.. Freeze assets of the taliban and leave them with millions of dollars, of equipment.. That makes sense to me. Did I hear someone say "15 decommissioned aircraft also"? Let's hope decommissioned means 'NO HOPE OF GETTING OFF THE GROUND " 🤔
@@junme1389 from what I understand important parts were removed before it was left say that they they're able to get it up in the air you think they're going to be able to perform the constant maintenance that a helicopter requires? If that thing ever gets up in the air will be crashed and burned within a week anyway.
@@movieman175 you are very hopeful but you need to be realistic. Pakistan will absolutely send them the parts to repair that helicopter. And the Taliban has tens of millions of dollars, if not hundreds of millions, from the sale of opium, weapons and slaves to buy whatever parts it needs for maintenance. And pray tell who is going to shoot it down? The failed government that left it for them and has lost a third of its country in the last week? Like I said you can be hopeful, that's fine, but do not underestimate the Taliban and its backers, domestic and foreign.
India investment is simply goodwill gesture not an investment. We never wanted any return except Afghan prosperity. Peace will never came to Afghan till Islamic thought are there.
It’s their country, political system, culture and religion. This is what the majority want. We may not like it and it’s not our duty to change them. Soon the Republican will do this to America.
You’re showing your ignorance of the situation. The majority do not want the Taliban and never have, for a start almost no women want them because they are treated as 2nd class or worst citizens. ISIS wasn’t a popular group either and they took over vast areas as well. The political system is not theirs, it was set by the Americans. As usual it’s a case of US knowing how to win a war but no it knowing how to win the peace.
I don’t know why anyone is surprised by this they’ve been fighting the worlds best military for the last 20 years And their culture does not allow for them to do drugs while on patrol like the ANA
@@SuperThumpasaurus But their despotism is fueled though religious dogma and tribalism tends to see as indelible to the human species. Their actions are rooted in an idea that is centered in "pursuing gods work". It's a dangerous ideology.
I am Pakistani and I believe Americans to an extent were sincere in bringing peace to Afghanistan but failed to carry it along corrupt Afghan government and warlords. I feel bad for American taxpayers too whose hard earned money went into corrupt officials pocket and leaving common Afghan vulnerable as before. The government failed miserably and this is the reason led many common Afghans to prefer Taliban.
This has been in the making for years. The US has been removing troops from the middle east in waves for a long time now. To blame it on the US at this point is pretty uneducated.
American defense minister and chief of staff should resign for this withdrawal, no plan, no schedule, running away like chickens and destructing hundreds of billions of $$ spent to build a moderate state and support Afghan people to keep living in peace - it is a scandal
So let me get this straight, the most powerful country in the world fought in Afghanistan for 20 years spent a trillion of my dollars and now we are coming home with our tail between our legs. We suck at this.
I would say that is pretty accurate
That is why war is not a solution in modern time. You go to fix one thing 10 new problems comes up.
We joined the Russians and Britain
It was never about winning that war. It was about keeping Russia and China from selling oil without the Petro dollar.
@@DontDrinkthatstuff well well you get it
Now america is going to be raped hard by China
remember the petro-dollars fails the dollars fails
no money=no soldiers
20 years in, thousands of lives, trillions of dollars. All gone in two weeks. Embarrassing.
If they can't fight for their country and lands, noone can help them. They have become lazy and scared to fight under US protection.
lol
US shouldn't have been there in the 1st place. It was an unnecessary war.
@Barrack Obummer Hussein Osama Trump was in the process of withdrawing all troops,he also had a May 1st deadline, who is this violent felon you speak of?
@Barrack Obummer Hussein Osama I understand you think that's what Liberals stand for but why are you blaming them for the troop withdrawal,when the Republicans wanted it done sooner.....I think all 3 parties are fucked up and wasteful,
The Fall of Saigon, the loss of Vietnam War all over again...
Both wars were dumb from the jump
This is the example of usa again. Usa fall to elect good leader to lead the country. This is not fall like saigon. This perfectly match for fallen of phnom penh . Usa rush airphone to evaluate their embassy from phnom penh because khmer Rouge get in fastest despite gov elect by usa have army 10 to 1 against khmer Rouge. Usa didn't learn their mistakes. It is over again lol.
Nothing like Saigon? What were we trying to accomplish over there for 20 years anyways? you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. We tried to help those people build a government so that they could defend themselves but i guess they just don't want that or really enjoy living in terror and chaos on a daily basis? I don't think as a free American citizen that we have the ability to figure those people out.
@@garylivingston9052 These boomers don't get it and never will get it.
Ah yes, Ho Chi Minh City.
It’s Vietnam all over again, what a joke!
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@Zaynab bint Al-Harith source?
This is taking much much longer than Vietnam
Modern war game against guerrilla soldiers is like this: drop 100,000 smart bombs with B52Hs and drones and Taliban fighters are burned to ashes.
Yeah we should've pulled out sooner.
This reporter is dying to say the truth that Kabul will fall but he knows he's not allowed to!
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(1) Unlike the anglo/zion Godless secular capitalists system, the Taliban religion follows Islamic justice backed by natural biological facts.
(2) Unlike the anglo/zion civil society code where women are exploited as public property, the Taliban strictly apply Sharia code where women are given a stake in the family institution at the starting age of puberty or upward, where the husband is the head of the family institution, and the mother is elevated to the status of parenthood and servitude by her family as commanded by God, Qur'an. 4;36 Allah says: "Worship God and join not any partners with Him, and be kind to your parents...and Quran 17;23 say not fie [uff] to your parents.
(3) Unlike the anglo/zion morally corrupt cruel justice system that encourages forever argument that takes decades to solve a single dispute, the Taliban Sharia judiciary system serves justice based on Sharia there and then on the spot, by a qualified trained Qazi [Judge] who knows all the Quran & hadiths by heart, therefore, the Taliban's Godly system relieves both parties to live worry-free peacefully which helps parties focus more with their immediate family.
(4) Unlike the anglo/zion fiat money usurping usury-based capitalist economic system, the Taliban State practices Islamic Theocracy based on interests free loans to individuals or sole traders and repayments are based on means-tested. Tax is levied at a single level across the board at one-fortieth [2.5%] never/ever increases or decreases, and Shaia system uses gold and silver currency that has inherent value, there is no chance of inflation ever, that also helps nourishes human soul spiritually to be at peace with oneself and trouble-free with probate issues, where family estates shares are set in stone forever.
We will see it soon.
@@sultanmahmood6396 Bruh! If you believe these radicalized extremists are following Islam you are so very wrong. Taliban choose the Islamic teachings they like and ignore the one's they do not. The Quran says "Let there be no compulsion in religion". The Taliban on the other hand enforce religion upon everyone. This totalitarian society is so very different from the society back in the Islamic Golden Age, if you per say, believe that that is what the Taliban are trying to achieve. Scientific and Technological advancement were encouraged, not abhorred. The most strict of those early era Islamic Kingdom was maybe the Caliphate of Umar. And people were allowed to criticize him. Once a woman did, and Umar had to aplologize. Nobody's allowed to criticize the Taliban.
The 20 year war has been a complete waste of time money and resources. Thousands of soldiers have died for nothing in Afghanistan 🇦🇫
They died to make the 1% richer. All is not lost after all. tsk tsk!
That is so sad That only those soldiers matter and no one is talking about the kids and women who were kidnapped and all innocent people who have died.
@@Sam-dv3vt that’s what I’m saying they only care about their soldiers and not the innocent people that have died
Nop, the way US sent troops to Afghanistan was to catch Bin Laden, the Terrorist who destroyed World Trade Center in NY. When Bin Laden was killed, US military's mission was over but US want to keep the friendship with Afghanistan government that was why US Troops stayed up to now. Also US need to move the Troops to SCS.
Where is my 4th stimulas
So we gave them more cars and a chopper!!!!!
Yeah I'm sure these militants that are almost all probably illiterate I'm sure they know how to fly a helicopter. 😑
@@movieman175 if they can make bombs they can learn to fly helicopters. Let's not underestimate them. And don't be so naive to think they're all uneducated
Alot of them are useless to them because it's take alot money to maintain them.
@@movieman175 for your kind info some of them are doctor engineers and they have pilot also.... yeah you heard it right!
@@movieman175 If the Taliban is taking over an entire nation in a strategic large scale offensive, then I’m pretty sure they aren’t dumb.
a slap on the faces of US personal who died in the Afgan war
The answer to those who died isn't to have an endless amount of people die for them. At some point we need to cut our losses and admit defeat.
Blame the republicans warchickens!
@NATO Chan you go there & stay.
America : "Remember when forces left millions in military equipment in Afghanistan?"
Yeah...
America : "Let's do that again, *but bigger..."*
The fall of many weapons from the US into the hands of the Tall its Band cannot be separated from the betrayal of the fake Rep. Joy Binladen to world peace, through his flirting with the radical politician Silam, £!nd@ $@r$0ur during the presidential election. Joy Binladen is the most disgusting US President in US history, who has the heart to sacrifice the people for personal ambition. Joy Binladen is a true sycophant. US people are aware.
This war it’s all about the business
unless you are Afghan, then it is about independence.
@@hoosierhiver 10000 US dollars for 1 toilet seat, 1280 US dollars for a coffee cup.U.S military-industrial complex" really as corrupt as many believe it to be
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Is that what it is??? I remember,the scripture about Moses,where he asked God for wisdom,because the needs and the demands for the people were becoming to burdensome. His spirit was becoming weary,so the story implies. Can you imagine,had he not had the spiritual descernment to know,to be able to see himself falling into the other side,where the burden,and the darkness which is because of the heaviness,and the lonliness the job damends,can you imagine,had he not seen it inside if him,it would have overtaken him,but ..he asked God,for wisdom to know what to do. So,he picked out leaders to head with the people's and part different ways,to divide the burdens...and alleviate it,to lessen the yolk... We can assume he chose the best fit for the job,but...even then,just as the apostles were divided...because they truly...truly ,didn't learn ,for the most part,learn the ways of Jesus...in name,they worshipped him. They adored him. But they truly could not,and did not,understand and become one with his spirit...had they done so,they would not have become divided,each with their point of view. So it must have happened with Moses,the spirit Moses had,the wisdom,he was given,was not the same as whom he appointed over the people. Sure,they must have had some,the best he can find,but it is never the original. And again,even then...his anger got the best of him ... How much do we expect out if generations where the people and their(our)demands have grown more numerous,harder to keep track of,no matter how many rules,how many regulators...the burdens simply become overwhelming. We try to keep the law,but,it is impossible to keep the law,where we,the people have fallen through the sins of Gods law,as opposed to the laws of man. Pride,being the most dangerous,it is where we first fell from grace. We did not acknowledge our guilt,we did not see where we went wrong,so we pointed at the most ovious,the other side. When sin comes from inside...there is no side that is wrong,because it is from the spirit,in which makes sin. Pride can make sin greater,it weighs...it angers...it strengthenes the hand of what we don't understand,because there is alit we can't see,things we've done,and have no idea how the most innocent of actions,or so it seemed,even good deeds become entangled with other things far from us. To the point where,we can't see,if we even try to destroy the corruption,we destroy ourselves. Because it is all tied with bonds only Jesus can break...only he can break the yolk. He rose...where no one would dare because they knew what sit meant. It's happening now,though we can't comprehend what we're doing. We think Jesus came to bring peace,but there can't be peace,where there was never peace,in our hearts. He knew his actions would cause a collapse. If we know that,why then,do we act as if we can avoid the collapse? When that is the only thing that will set us free? What do we think,how do we think,God dicerns we,the people's hearts,enough to say,the people wanted to be like the other kingdoms,and have a king also. We chose to be governed,over and over again. If we look back into those days,and see the people in which he refered to...as the people who wanted a king...a government,and not God alone,do you think,those people thought,they were those whom he would be referring to??? Just as today,the spirit of Jesus,wants to break the chains,so that we can be free...but we live the chains,because we can not...do not,want to endure suffering. And yes,I include myself,I know I can't stop what's coming,I accept it,because I know we have driven grace away,because we hardened our hearts,so I am aware of what is to come. It is not good,not for me,not for my children. But I ask for endurance ,and rely on the gift he left,the holy spirit.,because I know,when it comes,if I am alive by then,that it won't be easy. I pray his spirit does not leave me,ir that I don't forget it,because,if I had it,it would not have left.
So true
What a complete waste of Life and Money....... Pitiful. We're no better off than 20yrs ago.
@Zaynab bint Al-Harith I fought there and lets be clear this is not our fight, these people simply are to cowardly to fight for their own country.
@@rooster1012 Thank you for risking your life........
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Funny thing everyone saying "we lost."
Winning was never the intent to begin with.
Some people never learn.
Well what exactly does winning in Afghanistan look like anyways?
What was Americas intent? Because by looking at these videos they certainly haven't overthrown the Taliban.
@@MalcolmXpat For the public "liberate Afghanistan from Taliban control" in reality it was to have influence in the middle east and allow the military industrial complex to make weapons and vehicles.
@@wcc4269 did the afghan people ever ask to be liberated?
@@MalcolmXpat Oh come on, overthrowing the Taliban from the major cities is easy. Though Afghanistan is heavily decentralized so it means little.
Great job to the Afghan soldiers. They gave the Taliban all of our humvees lol
Lol upgrade from the hilux.
Western world is a failure, now your defeat is complete.
SHAME ON USA ,BIDEN ...
Lol its no their fault
Shame on usa
The US can’t stay in Afghanistan forever.
Why not? We've been in Japan and Germany far longer
@@TheHeartMadeOfStone if you don't see the difference between Japan Germany and Afghanistan I don't even know what to tell you.
@@TheHeartMadeOfStone completely different situations. We subdued Germany and Japan not Vietnam and Afghanistan
@@movieman175 Germany was able to re-arm between WW1 and WW2 because France pulled it's troops out of the Rhineland in 1935. just like ISIS was able to re-arm after we pulled out of Iraq in 2011. If you don't see the similarities then don't worry, Obama and France didn't think an early withdrawal was a big deal either. Once Al Qaeda comes back into power they'll prove my point for me.
@@TheHeartMadeOfStone so the solution is to stay there forever right? Yeah there's a reason that Afghanistan is called the graveyard of Empires.
I'm Afghan and it breaks my heart to see this happening. My family will never get to see Afghanistan in peace again. Thanks to Canada for taking us in in 1993 when the Taliban took over and now a repeat. I just hope that these innocent people have the luxury that I did
It's sad. I don't like the commies but suddenly the USSR seems like they were the good guys during the Soviet - Afghan war no?
Sad. But not our problem
I get the trillions of American money being wasted on wars but seeing these civilians/children scared for their lives makes me wish America stayed.
@Tee Pee you’re obviously the stupid one here with your priorities fucked thinking money is more important than the lives of children.
@Tee Pee AND only around 3,000 of us died over there compared to 100,000+ afghans over a period of 20 long years
Biden said it wouldn’t be like the fall of Saigon. This has looked a lot like the fall of Saigon
There are similarities. It is heartbreaking to watch this unfold. May God forgive us.
What I am still worrying next is the aftermath, the aftermath of Vietnam after the fall of saigon is ok, Vietnam already have a good relationship with the us, who know what is gonna be next for the taliban, any wars could happen at any time.
Well now we know that it was always true that the Army Generals in charge were lying about the condition of the Afghanistan Security Forces to make themselves look good for promotion. Fact is that the Taliban recruit better male age personnel to train and fight. This means the an Afghan military age male can be trained.
The poorly inadequate trained Afghanistan Security Forces (ASF) were trained by U.S. and Coalition forces taking direction from their Generals in charge. Who should be held accountable for all the $ spend to equip and train the ASF?
Prosecute the Generals that were in charge and the rest will learn what happens when you lie about the facts and conditions of a security force they are responsible to train.
The generals were clear on how they were allowed to fight. The politicians and beuracrats lied
this is not about soldiers on the field, but the politicians in charge and policymakers creating this disaster. dive deeper into the Afghan matter and you will know.
US has the habit of teaming up with thugs. This not the first time and this is not the first war US lost.
That's what I absolutely despise about our government. They didn't want to talk to officers like that one Major in the Vice documentary this is what winning looks like. He was the only one who was honest about them not making any progress the government just wants the generals to put on a dog and pony show when they arrive at the fortified FOB. Not once did any US official take any walks through Afghan neighborhoods If you're too scared to do something as simple as that then what the hell are we even doing there. All those American and NATO troops are dead for nothing people to get off their butts and demand a change in our foreign policy so this never happens again.
All the ASF guys I encountered were worthless and high AF.
How the hell did the USA let this happen they've been there for two decade and this is the end result.
It's like someone's been helping you and feeding you for 20 years, you've become too lazy to go out and find a job, Now you are about to cry for help. What's wrong with you? Think about it!
10X as many people can't fight for their country? What's wrong with them?
@@ssmart2512 you from us ?
A 20 something year war all for nothing all progress gone in a week sad
🙏🏼 my heart breaks for these people. This was not the way to leave.
We didn’t even get any of their oil. Truly a wasted effort.
Taliban are the legitimate rulers of Afghanistan and this shows it
@@7738-k8i Don't be a theif and eye on someone's assets
I don't know what USA was doing in Afghanistan for 20 years? What USA has achieved in these 20 yrs? If 350k Afghan troops can not control 75k Taliban. Than who should be blamed?
This war is a forever war..but
I pray for peace.
350K are sacred to fight for their country and lands. They become fuking lazy.
@@ssmart2512 That's their f---ing problem now, let's get our Country back on track here at home.
We lost, simple fact why do we continue being pawns on a chess board..
Nothing to win. Just occupy for no reason
Watch Al Qaeda and ISIS appear there to conduct anti-American operations. This will get worse after the seize…
What EXACTLY do you think we lost? What SPECIFICALLY was there to win or are you just another dump on the very soldiers that were there for YOU because it's fun internet warrior without a clue?
I'm in the military. Same thing happened in Iraq on one of our deployments. Here is a TON of training, funds and weapons now go defend yourselves because we will not be here indefinitely.
They ran away. Left everything behind from guns to tanks.
Do you even know why we were there for 20 years? If you had a clue you would know it was OUR FREAKING CHESSBOARD moron. And I am speaking as one of those "pawns" you hold in such high regard while thinking we just get thrown away.
US is not a reliable country they aren't trustworthy and will dump their allies in a heartbeat!
@@jaiminpatel2784 lol the US trained troops for the afgan army for the last 20 years. They have had all of the benefit of the US and obviously haven't done enough in that time.
This old man has great hair. Good for him.
Hunger games much
looks like Rick Astley,hehehe
@@khujibago5319 never gonna give u up
80s New Wave retro guy.
@@khujibago5319 🤣
The Afghan army has the capability to stop the Taliban but lack the will.
aka the country is full of cowards who wont fight for anything. Good riddance
"You can sell tribal people cheap whiskey, you can sell them trinkets, you can even sell them firearms, but you cannot sell them ideas."
Marshall McLuhan - 1977
Should of sold them all a set of balls.
@@treerat6959 I wonder what is worse- being forced into service by the Taliban, or being forced into economic servitude by the richest 1%ers here in America. Seems to me that both are about the same.
@@rayjr62 No the 1% aren't taking your young daughters as sex slaves openly at least for now. I get your drift though.
What a joke 😅.... great job america! We've created a breeding ground for misery...
We already have that here
Nah it already existed there. The US kept it minimized but nothing more
@Zaynab bint Al-Harith source?
Those poor families 😞 makes me sick
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Ok we dont belong over there it cost America so much to keep troops over there. Let them have their land we need to rebuild our Army
@Zaynab bint Al-Harith Well that would be a war crime to kill the taliban captured prisoners.
Investigation required within American Defence forces, Politicians and Media why they fool their own nation.
Taliban is the true Islamic democracy and the true Islamic voice of the Afghan people. Leave the Taliban alone.
We can’t expect the situation to go well, when hearts and minds of the AFG population aren’t supportive. We never should’ve invaded to begin with.
You can’t invade people who believe in a far more barbaric version of the Babylonian Talmud aka the Quran
@@samisukkar3151 🤣 i sence fear in your comment and that is a good thing
Oh the Americans ohhhhhh most definitely
@@isseabdirahmanweheliye9010 lol nice one
@@samisukkar3151 lol well they can live now
The US Government says their military are "brave fighting men and women". 😂😂😂. They got their asses kicked by men in flip-flops.
😂😂
Flip flops no military train no decent Vehicles no bulletproof jacket no new gen guns no air strikes and no trillions of dollars damn
No. Politicians caused this.
@@keithgoodsell711 Name a war the American military has won. Just one.
@@Jay-hr3rh Every since the U.S. switched from total war to limited warfare, they seemed they have always lost due to politics and the American public quick disinterest.
Afghan's people are warriors. No nation in history had beaten them. They maybe able to stay a few years but eventually all had to leave hurriedly with tails behind their legs. The history of the Great Games played by the Super nations of the world should have been learnt.
What are you talking about?? The Americans occupied the country for 20 years!! Afghanistan is a graveyard for their own people. A completely failed nation, and its has been so for centuries.
Genghis Khan owned them lol.
I don't care how bad it gets. America needs to stay out of it. It's not our problem
Childrens are being killed coz they wanna study and listen to music ,women are being raped because their clothes are trasparent according to taliban ,so just think about the conscequences before you write anything buddy .
@@zoopertrooper3557 you are more than welcome to go defend them on your own dollar. I won't stop you.
@@zoopertrooper3557 America has enough problems at home to worry about.
@@zoopertrooper3557 When did USA become the world's police force. The USA can't save everyone........
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It’s now a personal problem.
Why is it United States against Afghanistan what about the rest of those stinking world
My prayers are with the people of Afghanistan. The taliban will kidnap, rape, kill, and destroy. Oh Father God protect these people, let your name be glorified, let these people come to you for their salvation. Lord forgive us for turning our back on these people. In the name of your precious Son Amen.🙏🏼
Kidnaping , Raping , killing innocent kids , women , elders nothing more than propaganda. If you ever go thorough Muslim warriors History , you will never find a single such story. Islamic shariah war laws do not allow these negative attitudes. World must know Taliban are not like US & Nato or Afghan troop. drop weapons , Stay at home , Stay safe. May Allah Guide us , Help us , Lead us towards Right , Toward Truth & towards everlasting Success here & after , Amen
America funded taliban and help to grow..Then wage war against them..Afterall leave afghanistan by giving more equipments free for taliban...wow!! Foolss
Do you know what is the second name of Afghanistan?
Answer: "The graveyard of empires".
This is actually historically inaccurate. Afghanistan has been conquered many times by outside empires. The idea that it's a graveyard for empires literally only applies to one nation...the Soviet Union.
But joe you said the taliban could never take over afghanistan again
I can't believe that we just left our guns and armored trucks behind we are spending billions on weapons to just leave on the ground?
That was the Afgani army that left it behind, did you not listen?
@@PlsDontReadThis123 listening to the entire thing no my tiny brain can't handle it
Good, save my taxpayer money. What a waste of a war.
The poeple of afghanistan will suffer so much, just because some us politicians decided to get more votes in the next election by pulling us forces out
You really need to research this topic more, your comment is just ignorant.
Terrorist:W
Americans: Big ass L
They’ve been waiting for this since day one, they seen Vietnam they know what’s know what’s gonna happen. America not going to stay in that country forever.
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Vietnam was a war lab for all of the worlds to see. LOL
Taliban captured the jails and captured all afgan weapons and equipment. Now the have a well equipped add army.
Kandahar, Helmand and Herat was the bait to keep the main Afghan forces away while they go blitzkrieg in the north.
Ghazni could be the start of cutting off exit route leaving the army, almost all conscripted from the north, stranded inside traditionally Taliban Pashtun area. Brilliant.
Kabul will fall in days. The Taliban now has all the high tech weapons abandoned by the Afghan army and they have tremendous support among the people. U.S. money did not buy loyalty, but it never does.
All those death for what! This is why you don't leave until you finish the job!
Job will never be finished. Not our problem
@@mikebryant8507 That isn't true. We will be back in the next 25-50 years
We shouldn't have been there in the first place.
@@mikebryant8507 it will be our problem if they increase terrorist attacks on the US
@@SuperThumpasaurus So we should never go after Osama bin Laden? If this was Iraq, you had a point!
Summary of Undeniable Facts :
*1-Vietnam , a 15 years war- which the U.S. Lost . ( See below)
*2-Afghanistan; A 20 years war- Longest war ever , which the U.S. Lost too. ( See below)
*Fact # 1-Congress considers the Vietnam Era to be “The period beginning on Feb. 28, 1961 and ending on May 7, 1975 …
*Fact *2 The United States invasion of Afghanistan occurred after the September 11 attacks in late 2001 and was supported by close US allies which had officially begun the War on Terror.
Who was the US at war with in Afghanistan?
@@dritemolawzbks8574 the so called Taliban and corrupt Afghan government agencies
@@dritemolawzbks8574 America went to the middle east to take out people of power and place puppets. They milked the country dry and now that there is nothing we need, we are leaving.
who said the US lost? it was not about "winning", it's about money for the military industrial complex. Of course the ones who really lose are the taxpayers and the Afghans
@@Grzmnky LOL Afghanistan is still estimated to have trillions of dollars worth of untapped rare earth minerals. We failed miserably and now China and Russia have set up trade deals with the Taliban for Russian and Chinese mining companies to extract once the Kabul government collapses. We failed miserably geopolitically... we didn’t milk crap from that country.
Who didn't see this coming. The afghans could have done better having the girl scouts for their defense force.
Joe did not see it coming, he told us that the Afghan Forces were one of the most highly trained forces in the world.
This wouldn't of happened if trump was still president
Lol ,are you serious ,Iran bombarded us bases in Iraq and Trump bend over and took it .remember?
Let Pakistan and Iran deal with it.
@@PakistanDefenseForum then china can help. According to google they have the strongest military in the world.
@@PakistanDefenseForum I'm just saying, if the Taliban is really a threat, I'm sure their neighbors will keep them at bay. If not, that's their problem. Not America's
@@holyhero259 yes you are right. Don't poke your nose again in Afghanistan.
So Americans can’t buy Humvees because they’re too expensive but we’re giving them for free to the Taliban, even a helicopter. Ahh same old good USA. This is why people voted for Trump because he wanted to take care of Americans First.
I’m a Democrat and I’m voting for Trump if he runs again.
It's like the fall of Saigon all over again
We are giving our money to NATO,to defend human rights and for our collective defence,they just left civilians in Afganistan.
The joy of being America.... Damned when they stay, damned when they leave...
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No one wanted America there to begin with just like Iraq just like Vietnam.
@E M Not at all.. if Afghanis don't want the Taliban running things, it's up to them to do something about it, nobody else, it's their country. For America It's been 20 years of wasted lives, (both Afghani and American ). pointless destruction and wasted money..
You americans paid billions to amateurs, not soldiers. The taliban has soldiers, the afghan army has amateurs.
For the local Afghanistan forces, it is similar to the situation in Vietnam: no one likes the enemy, and their own government is also not good enough for them to die for (possibly due to corruption). It looks like they were poorly motivated.
They didn't get paid in 3 months. Ramadan is still going on for them. Hard to fight when you have nothing to eat.
If the United Nations does not take action against this, Asian countries must unite and defeat this terrorist organization.
So 20+years for mostly nothing. JUST THINK if we didn't go to war, where are country would be?
True.....
100 times worse.
@@Erich2142 more advanced
@@mikebryant8507 No. Taliban controlled the country for nearly 10 years and they kept going backward. So you're wrong.
@Zaynab bint Al-Harith you're muslim too, but against Islam 🤔
This is like withdrawing from Vietnam but much quicker. What a waste of time
We couldnt fix Baltimore chicago brooklyn bronx. How were we gona ever bring law order to middle east
American troops controlling Afghanistan is bad( the people claim it's so, of course) but the Taliban taking over is just worse!
It is only time factor the fall of Kabul.
And not a lot of time at that!
Watch the money, when the Afghan Gov start emptying their treasury it will be less than 48hr until the last flight out of Kabul.
Yup.. Freeze assets of the taliban and leave them with millions of dollars, of equipment.. That makes sense to me. Did I hear someone say "15 decommissioned aircraft also"? Let's hope decommissioned means 'NO HOPE OF GETTING OFF THE GROUND " 🤔
"Look at this they capture a helicopter!" Does anyone in their right mind think that any of these militants know how to fly a freaking helicopter? 😑
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but yeah there are undoubtedly Taliban members who can fly a helicopter.
Yes I’m sure quite a bit of them know how to fly a helicopter,
@@junme1389 from what I understand important parts were removed before it was left say that they they're able to get it up in the air you think they're going to be able to perform the constant maintenance that a helicopter requires? If that thing ever gets up in the air will be crashed and burned within a week anyway.
they are taliban member that know how to operate combat helicopters yes
@@movieman175 you are very hopeful but you need to be realistic. Pakistan will absolutely send them the parts to repair that helicopter. And the Taliban has tens of millions of dollars, if not hundreds of millions, from the sale of opium, weapons and slaves to buy whatever parts it needs for maintenance. And pray tell who is going to shoot it down? The failed government that left it for them and has lost a third of its country in the last week? Like I said you can be hopeful, that's fine, but do not underestimate the Taliban and its backers, domestic and foreign.
India investment is simply goodwill gesture not an investment. We never wanted any return except Afghan prosperity. Peace will never came to Afghan till Islamic thought are there.
she is completely blue and asking where do taliban get there AK 47 LOL
You know ?? Tell , who is providing them these , there has to be someone
@@chinmoy_bora6915 same one that made you made ak 47 .you are just one of many toys made of skin and bones. LOL
What happening in this country would be no surprice if u had read some history. I knew taliban would come back in 2004
The Taliban now have helis. Like the Knight king with a dragon.
Most are aging Soviet made helicopters. It’s the trucks, humvees, and tens of thousands of American rifles that are the problem.
Why do I feel like I completely wasted a year of my life to this place.....
Not our problem!!!
Afghan goverment: NOOOOO YOU CANT JUST SPEEDRUN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY IN FEW DAYS!!!!!
Taliban: Haha, chopper go RATATATATA!
So much wasted treasure, time & life.
24 hours ago 10 captials. Now 18 bruh this is at its utter speed
Let them keep it. Pull the troops out.
Hell yeah no more American blood over such a Dump
love how all of the stealth technology, reconnaissance, combat, were wasted to this moment
It’s their country, political system, culture and religion. This is what the majority want. We may not like it and it’s not our duty to change them. Soon the Republican will do this to America.
You’re showing your ignorance of the situation. The majority do not want the Taliban and never have, for a start almost no women want them because they are treated as 2nd class or worst citizens. ISIS wasn’t a popular group either and they took over vast areas as well. The political system is not theirs, it was set by the Americans. As usual it’s a case of US knowing how to win a war but no it knowing how to win the peace.
Mr Bill. Thanks for calling me names. That shows me your level of professionalism. You are now dismissed. Enjoy you next tRump rally.
I don’t know why anyone is surprised by this they’ve been fighting the worlds best military for the last 20 years And their culture does not allow for them to do drugs while on patrol like the ANA
Can only end, once their religious ideological framework ends.
Religion is not the problem, despotism and tribalism is.
@@SuperThumpasaurus But their despotism is fueled though religious dogma and tribalism tends to see as indelible to the human species. Their actions are rooted in an idea that is centered in "pursuing gods work". It's a dangerous ideology.
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"Death is the solution to all problems. No man - no problem." -Joseph Slalin
Mad respect to usa
Kandahar has fallen.
Yea it has 😁 we will insh’Allah enter Kabul with victory and start 💣 🇺🇸 soon
@@muslimempirestudentofknowl8650 I don't care because I am shurawi
@@alexbort3082 your a soviet supporter?
@@705_MachineGun that's how they called me when I was in Afghanistan.
@@alexbort3082 american soldier or quds soldier?
83 billion( estimated) spent and thousands of lives lost
Vietnam 2.0
This is so sickening never ever let your guard down with these dogs
It is so funny when american politicians trying so hard to cover their failures
I am Pakistani and I believe Americans to an extent were sincere in bringing peace to Afghanistan but failed to carry it along corrupt Afghan government and warlords. I feel bad for American taxpayers too whose hard earned money went into corrupt officials pocket and leaving common Afghan vulnerable as before. The government failed miserably and this is the reason led many common Afghans to prefer Taliban.
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gonna be ironic if the Taliban decides to re-establish relations with the US after the war, like what Vietnam did.
That helicopter has missing blades. And a missing engine
Taliban will find Engine & blade from Ghani's Palace Kabul soon.
There's also the small problem of finding a pilot. how many of these militants can even read let alone fly a helicopter?
@@movieman175 the taliban probably has a lot defectors who are trained pilots and besides they can also sell the helo to the chinese tbh.
This is my generations Saigon moment
Good job Sleepy Joe!
Trump policy *
@Zaynab bint Al-Harith Trump was the one who made the call to pull out of Afghan. Get YOUR facts straight.
This has been in the making for years. The US has been removing troops from the middle east in waves for a long time now. To blame it on the US at this point is pretty uneducated.
@@PlsDontReadThis123
"Pretty uneducated"
That's funny
Wtg Joe!
Seeing some of the locations that I was in is in the taliban control. Very upsetting.
What year was u posted in Afghanistan veteran
its their country.
Kindred spirits brother.
They told us "they learned their the lessons of Vietnam".... ******ng liers. All $$ for the MIC.
We better go back! I’m in the process of enlisting and I want to fight the Taliban. We better go back!!
@@arzra7224 No it's not. A lot of Taliban come from Pakistan, Chechnya and other places.
trillions of US dollars just kinda thrown away over 2 decades, and countless lives lost. crazy
The war is over
I hope so
But the infrastructure or the security or the future of the country isn’t secure
@@VR46314
Yes, but are all countries not secure if you can go anywhere you want?
@L XX I didn’t state I would bring peace to the region did I , that’s because it was for america benefit as usual
@@VR46314 you go fight or be quiet
American defense minister and chief of staff should resign for this withdrawal, no plan, no schedule, running away like chickens and destructing hundreds of billions of $$ spent to build a moderate state and support Afghan people to keep living in peace - it is a scandal
Joe Biden should be fired as commander in chief.
Flushing money down the toilet
The root cause Islam will never be Plucked.
This was to be expected, just a matter of time before they go toes up!!
I called it. Biden basically handed Afghanistan over to the taliban probably for 10%
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Graveyard of Empires