I had two of these "treatments" It worked for a week then the pain returned with a vengeance I had the second one and had a massive headache for a week afterward The "doctor" said "Oh sometimes that happens" Yeah right!.....Good Bye to that scammer!!! Thank God there was no permanent damage to my back....this doctor is correct in my opinion Just FYI@@DeukSpineInstitute
Dude, there is usually more risk with a spine surgery versus a spinal injection. Most of the time injections should be attempted first unless the symptoms and exam findings are very severe. There are very skilled pain management specialists. The big money is with the spine and neurosurgeons, so that opinion can also be biased. I've seen many patients with failed spine surgeries. They are obviously worth the risk for some people but literally just today my patient who got an RFA today was asking why is she still having so much pain when she already had spine surgery. How frustrating it must be when you spend so much money, take time off work, have a painful surgery, go to all the PT, only to not feel any better? It happens too often.
This is def me - had an unsuccessful lumbar fusion at Mayo Clinic and now it’s too late to go after them legally - it has been absolute hell for the last 2 1/2 years. Everything came loose, screws fell and broke in my sacrum, so had a second spinal fusion in April (with a different surgeon) plus full laminectomy, and facetectomy. Have awful inflammation especially in the tailbone because he had to drop hardware down another level, the bilateral spinal epidurals help.
Proper diagnosis, triage, peer reviews, specialist surgeons, great facilities is the way to go. Do your homework folks, bad doctors can be killers. Two lumbar injections yesterday at UW health in Madison WI, great doctor and great facility.
Thank you and God bless you for exposing this. I need to share this with someone very dear to me right now. This is just crazy and sad that someone suffered at the hands of the person that was supposed to care for him. I pray he gets better.
Me too. This is awful, I am a chronic pain patient and have had one set of these injections and they did nothing for my pain. I refused further shots as they are risky for no benefit too me. I suffer from fibromyalgia and have for years before this accident which also could be made worse by these shots. I have been choosing physical therapy instead and mds too help control pain
I am scared now. I am glad I came to this site. I was in an accident recently and the pain management doctor is saying I need the steroid injection, but my MRI also states, along with two herniated disks that I also have severe stenosis.
Don't do it with severe stenosis! I just had a failed injection in my cervical spine where I have severe stenosis. Now I'm having more neurological symptoms in my arms and hands and more pain. I realize after watching this video that I am lucky not to be totally paralyzed.
OMG I just had an epidural injection yesterday! It didn't really hurt during procedure.....but I was very stiff afterward and this morning I'm in worse shape then I was yesterday! Plus about $3k on a bill! I've been to 1 neurologist, who maybe spent 3 minutes tops during my first visit, then he sent me in for. MRI/X-RAY a month later.....then the next day I had go back in to see neurologist and he didn't show me my MRI/X-RAY RESULTS instead told he was sending me to another neurologist/neurosurgeon. This first neurologist didn't want to deal with me it what it was, he really didn't seem to care and his staff were very rude and acted as though I was an inconvenience! And he told me I NEEDED A SPINE FUSION SURGERY I was in a state of panic until I finally got into see the neurosurgeon and he went over my results. I have a herniated disk, arthritis, sciatica, and fibromyalgia. The herniated disc is not big enough for surgery at the time so he wants me to get these epidural injections then if I'm still in all the pain then he will look into just going in and removing the damaged disc. But after reading all these comments and what this here Dr is saying I'm always terrified of getting another epidural injection! Is it me or has anyone else had a lot of trouble getting medical professionals to actually give 2 shits to help us? I'm in tears over all this. I've been off work since February, my money is running out and I feel like I'm in a mari-go-round with getting anywhere with my problem! Any advice would be greatly appreciated
If it isn't them dealing with it, majority of them just simply won't care. Why get a job like this if they won't help? Money always plays a hand in human livelihood and who gets helped before another. If you have money, they are at your feet asking if you need anything in a nice cozy room. If you are like me and others with low income health insurance, prepare to be in pain just waiting for them to take care of you hours later just to send you home and say oh well take the pain. I'm not mad at all doctors, don't get me wrong there are great ones out there, but I am speaking on the ones who care for money and treat people rudely.
I got delayed diagnosis for 9 years and finally went to another Dr. Got a MRI and my whole spine was stenosis spondylitis Myothopey, just had a decompression surgery C5 C6 level, had a EMG the other day and that showed Chronic low back pain and sciatica on the right, and now DR. Wants to do injections... Now I'm scared....after watching these videos..... I haven't been able to work for 9 months, single mom and have lost everything.... But I have hurt for so long it is crazy.... I need some relief... Like yesterday....
Thank you for your videos. I'm in the process of having multiple disc's repaired from a vehicle accident. I've already dealt with disc issues starting at 20 from commercial construction work.
@aradeukmedjian5957 Thank You. I think I found a good one e like yourself. DR Sharma from Georgetown Med. Very good I think. I've been through a few since having been dealing with this for the last 20 plus years.
We have pain for a reason. Our body tells us there is something wrong. The last thing anyone should do is suppress the pain and pretend all is well. It's like having CEL (Check Engine Light) on the dash of your car and you unplug it. I have been living with pain for years, and I'm used to it. I've seen army of doctors and specialists for my condition and none were able to help me. And I live in USA, country with supposedly most advanced healthcare system in the world. It appears all the good doctors died or retired, and the new crop is useless and clueless.
Wow thank you for this video. I had 5 of these injections in back and neck. I wish I new what I do now. They didn't help at all. It was all for the money from my car accident case. Great videos to inform people.
@@henrybeeson8366 it was a try and fail situation. Since the shots failed surgery was the next step I had done. Had my back done but not my neck. As far as compensation I feel it helped somewhat.
@LitGyal I ended up having a L5S1 fusion with a new disc. After going thru that surgery I don't want to have surgery on neck. It was a long heal process and 7 days in rehab hospital.
Welcome. I have seen this happen first hand when a pain management doctor injected the steroid into the spinal cord and caused immediate paralysis. I have seen it happen 3x over the years. I had to operate on a patient that had an epidural hematoma from an ESI from a local pain management doctor who forgot to stop the blood thinners before the injection.
Thanks for admitting that there are bad doctors out there that are greedy and truly could care less about the welfare of the patient. I had lasik done without being properly being informed of all the downsides and potential complications. I had a bad outcome and the doctor just threw his hands up and said "It's all in your head, nothing more I can do." No refunds. Even the "safest" surgeries in our world today can have life changingly bad outcomes.
Oh yes I’ve had that too. Nothing wrong with me. All in my head. Despite falling down the stairs and after that not being able to feel my right leg and dragging it around! But nothing wrong with me….disgusting. You’ve just got to be your own champion and not take no for an answer.
yeah I try and stay as far away from having any procedures done as I can. No offense to the doctors but at the end of the day we are still cutting into the human body with knives etc. When looking at Epidurals I saw a video that showed they had to puncture into the spinal cord channel with a needle, basically only using feel to sense where they were. An inavertant knock of 1cm could mean you have a needle shoved directly into your spinal chord. For me I have a hydrocele but I am happy to drain it myself, after watching hydrocele surgery videos where the doctors cut into your scrote and treat it like they are working on their truck.
I’ve had multiple epidural lumbar injections and radio frequency ablations. My pain management doctor is exceptional and I’ve had zero problems after my procedures. I’m doing this to manage the pain until I have a appointment with a local spine surgeon. I’ve not found a need to be scared of my pain doctor. He saw the MRIs I’ve had and configured a plan to fit my particular requirements.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Fortunately serious complications are not common but awareness they exist and do occur is key to making an informed decision
@@aradeukmedjian5957 I had office visit with a spine surgeon last month. He spent a total of 5 minutes with me. Briefly looked at the MRI and X-rays, barely addressed any of the visible problems and was dismissive. As he walked out of the exam room I had to ask him what was the result of the bone scan he had me do. Standing in the doorway he said, “ oh, it’s minus 2.2, osteopenia, so take vitamin D and calcium “ and walked away. So now I have an appointment tomorrow with a different practice and another spine surgeon. I’ll have the MRI CDs, written reports and whatever else they need. If I get treated that way again, all hell will break loose. I’m always very polite and willing to discuss any plan or recommendation a doctor has, but I do not appreciate being dismissed so cavalierly. If that occurs, I’ll give up trying to get any treatment and just live with this until I’m unable to do anything.
You need the deuk laser disc repair procedure. This procedure cures back pain from disc injuries. Use the link below to see if you are a candidate. mri.deukspine.com@@nadaadam3152
@DeukSpineInstitute disc injuries are not what causes the pain its modic chnages in the endplates ... comeone doc.. you know disc are not what causes pain..unless its buldged or hernaited
great info doctor! I did a video about ESI 2 years ago warning about the risks. Sadly many pain management doctors push these right away and don't even inform about any of the risks
They def help me. Getting another bilateral spinal epidural in the morning because I have had two lumbar fusions, laminectomy, and facetectomy. I have a ton of inflammation, especially TAILBONE pain. Not pleasant, but if he hits the right spots about four days later it’s a huge relief so totally worth it.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I guess the main point of the video is “why get shots that dont last and are dangerous when there is a cure to pain where it wont ever come back”
Sadly, if only this were true, I was told by Mayo Clinic when seeing pain management before my operation I would never have to see them again, just let us in there. Result - failed fusion. The hardware came loose, broke and the screws fell and were stuck in my sacrum so I had to have another operation. My left foot is now nothing but pins & needles, it’s just been a horrible 2 1/2 years and I am STILL in pain management getting epidurals.
As a responsible, Pain Management MD , I always look at the MRI prior to any injection to note any level of critical stenosis. It could be a medial branch or facet block to treat axial pain prior to you doing a multilevel fusion. It’s always important to rule out mechanically, mediate neck, pain rather than disc related neck pain. And yes, I would never inject Medrol into the cervical spine instead the better choice is dexamethasone preservative free, which is non-particulate
I couldn’t walk after one ESI. it was super scary even if it was temporary. I won’t let any dr give me another chance especially since I likely have EDS which makes your dura weakened. I already had 6 tarlov cysts treated surgically, I’d rather not have anymore.
@@dianaw4072 I have multiple large tarlov cysts. No doctor will tell me what causes them. They don't know and they don't cause pain. I highly suspect they're caused from improper spinal epidurals I've had . Is that how you got tarlov cysts ?
Hey! I hope you'll find this, I need your positive energy! After multiple spine surgeries and lastly ESI 3 weeks ago for pain, I'm not paralysed from my right leg. I'm walking with the crotch, but I'd hope to improve. MRI showed arachnoiditis. I haven't found any answers on net, if you can reverse back to normal after accute inflammation. Your reply gave me HOPE❤
Your own website offers epidural steroid injection as an option for spine and radicular treatment. Also can you discuss the fact that there are greater than 10million epidural steroid injections performed each year in the US. SPinal cord injury related to ESI is a very serious but very rare complication. As you mentioned need to ensure safety of a treatment. Maybe highlight the complication rate of cervical spine decompression! Although it is the right choice for some, it comes with a significant risk of complications nerve injury, paralysis, and death compared to epidural injection.
I had double spinal fusion sept 2013. The dr that did my procedure is the spine dr for the LSU football team. They let me lay in recovery for almost 2 hours and couldn’t control my pain. It wasn’t until I started coming to and felt a weird sensation in my feet and it moved up my body. I was paralyzed from neck down. I had a epidural hematoma blood clot from C-2 through C-7. I had emergency surgery. I fully recovered movement. I live in horrible pain. I was a captain in the fire dept. That’s how I initially got injured. At a fire. This surgeon who is a well known surgeon let that happen to me. I do have an amazing pain management dr. He is so caring and sweet. I had a epidural in Feb. it made a huge difference. I have my next one this Friday. June 10. That is my story. I went from being a healthy person to disabled.
I had a cortisone epidural injection to my lower lumbar back and it immediately paralyzed my right leg, I couldn't even wiggle my toes or move or use my leg. Doctor kept telling me that the feeling will come back in a fews and it didn't , he kept telling me a few more hours and I became terrified that it was going to be permanent .. He ended up admitting me to the hospital and I did get full feeling of my leg back to normal after 30 hours ! I was terrified. This happen about 10 years ago and now my new pain doctor wants me to start getting epidurals again !! Even though I told him what happened to me and I don't want to get another needle in my back ever again because it terrified me , he is still pressuring me into injections and hinted around that if I don't I can't continue to go the pain management and then I won't be able to continue to get my pain medication... I'm so sick of unethical doctors !! I have found a lot of pain relief from going to a chiropractor . You should try it .
This is a scare video. Any medical procedure has risk. I have a rare arthritis form. I’ve had 3 surgeries and 44 interventional procedures, with a minor complication from one. And unfortunately, insurance forces my pain docs to do steroid injections every year before they’ll pay for a rhizotomy, which I have done in 6 areas every year. I have a great team. Research your doctor. I would have less than half the number of procedures if insurance didn’t force stupid steroid injections.
@@slc1161Yes. It is a “scare” video. A few numbers: The “success” rate for epidurals is said to be about 80%. But what is the definition of success? A peer-reviewed article in “Spine-Health” asserted the following: “An analysis of several large clinical trials indicated that 40% to 80% of patients experienced over 50% improvement in sciatica pain and functional outcome from 3 months up to 1 year when 1 to 4 injections were given in that year.” So, in a worse-case scenario 39% of subjects had less than 50% reduction in pain. It was also reported that “the effect of the first injection decreased after a considerable relief period, for example, over 1 month.” It can be inferred, then, that “considerable relief” occurs when a patient has 50% less pain for 31 days. It has been clear to me that pain cannot be subjectively assessed by a percentage. The bottom line is that epidurals for pain are a potentially devastating invasive procedure that may be of little long-term benefit for almost 40% of those treated by this intervention. I do get it: there are those unfortunate patients that experience “suicide pain” or lesser pain that is almost intolerable. I would never suggest they discard any procedure that offers the hope of less suffering.
@@kimberlymarie3651that's illegal what he is telling you..black mailing you..if your in pain he must treat you with pain meds..you tell him that you will report him to the medical board of which state you are located in..he's a greedy bastard..I had pain management Drs screw my whole body up and I was very close to sueing him..he did epidural shots in back and neck..my back got a really bad hard hemotoma that made me in pain and the neck was so intense my body heated up and I jerked my body it was so painful and the next day I worked out and my right arm started giving out..now I have permanent damage in right arm with loss of strength and muscle..he also f --ed up an acupuncture needle and my right arm again got injured and some muscle never grew back..they Drs are dangerous and I wish I could go back in time,.
I was scheduled, all kind of people help, trip issue, then they called. FORGOT TO GET MEDICARE APPROVAL. I cancelled. I never went back. They had all my information, medical card. How can you forget to get insurance approval?
@@littleme3597 I've found most surgeon's don't take Medicare because it pays so little. I'm facing that now myself. Doctors will give ya the run around and come up with something to cancel the procedure. I've been totally ignored and the doctor wouldn't return my call. I've ran into this problem quite a few times. I wish they'd just tell me they don't take Medicare.. So, getting and medical treatment to correct something with Medicare is a struggle.
I found out after having this done and it not working that it's not FDA approved for injection in or near the spine. It's impossible to get appropriate pain control
After breaking sedation during a discogram in tremendous pain and getting off the OR table with a needle still in my back years ago asking the doc what he hit me with due to the tremendous pain I lost my interest in “fixing my back”. The anesthesiologist was rumored to be a poor one so maybe the blame lies there? It was horrible absolutely horrible. The report read as advancing the needle into the L3-L4 the patient actually broke sedation and came off the table writhing in pain. Patient was comforted and gingerly helped back to the table. Dr’s need to understand a patients fear after an episode like that. I’m done being poked and prodded.
Provocative discography should have fallen out of vogue years ago. Diagnostic TFESI (transforaminal epidural steroid injection) or SNRB (selective nerve root block) has just as much diagnostic value, if not moreso. You should have been counseled to how uncomfortable this procedure is beforehand and I'm sorry you went through this.
@@wagdog1 thanks for your reply. I went through a battery of steroid injections and now I hear multiple steroid injections can actually cause break down of the surrounding tissues, tendons, etc in the places the steroid is injected. I’ve had them in my shoulder and knee too and now Idk what to do anymore because the last thing I need is something that gives pain relief but also damages my body. As far as my back goes the only improvement from the steroid was the sciatica but the stabbing pain was never helped. My life isn’t a great one but I’m still here trying. I can say undoubtedly that my life was forever altered when my back pain started in 2006 and that led to depression and a serious life change. There are so many ppl that judge folks thinking they look normal but they have no idea because they can’t see but a few moments of someone and should not cast judgement until they’ve walked in their shoes. Medical issues like this can completely change the course of someone’s life and has. I feel bad for humans that had to go through life with issues like back in the day this without any medical interventions but I also feel bad for those that endure it with medical professionals that are too afraid to treat a persons pain because some idiots abused things like medications. Counseled on how uncomfortable it would be? The pain was so severe I woke from sedation on the table in the OR holding my back asking what he hit me with. It felt like I was hit with a baseball bat. Yeah if he had told me that would happen I’d of never done it. He tried to get 3 specialists over 3 hours away to do it again but based on what happened they refused seeing me and I’m glad they did. I’d never subject myself to that again. I’d say medical professionals don’t always fully know what they are doing. Tried a spinal cord stimulator too and that was no help and felt like I had fish hooks in my back. Was so glad after a week to get that yanked out. Done being a guinea pig but what’s sad is most ortho docs think steroid shots fix everything. I went to a well known neurosurgeon in my area and he gave me the best advice. “I could fuse your spine but in time it would cause issues with other vertebrae and we’d be fusing more until you have no flexibility. I’d just manage it versus surgical” best advice ever even though my life is still always affected by it. Sorry to write so much, it clearly is one of those subjects... Good day to you. I did have a shot of what was supposed to morphine in the spine at one point when they considered an intrathecal pump but to my recollection it wasn’t helpful. Perhaps improper placement? Who knows.
SO BAD DOCTORS WHO TALK ABD THINGS ABOUT OTHER DOCTORS SPECIALLY IF THEY MENTION NOT A SINGLE DR BUT THE SPECIALITY OF PAIN MEDICINE , THE SAME YOU CAN SAY ABOUT GOING TO YOU OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE A SURGEON AND YOU ARE WILLING MAYBE TO DO SURGERY,.
I was recently dismissed from my pain management’s office for refusing to do any ESIs. He said he could not prescribe me any pain meds if I didn’t do one. The only reason I chose that dr was because I have already had a major surgery to decompress six tarlov cysts and his website states he has many non-invasive treatments. I also have EDS so an ESI has much higher risks.
I also have multiple tarlov cysts on both sides of my sacrum that show on my MRI film and the report and no doctor will address that. When I ask about them every doctor said they're not causing any pain and I'd say well I looked online and it says they can be symptomatic and I have many of the symptoms. They still ignore all my tarlov cysts . I've had so many epidural spinal injections, I believe the tarlov cysts were caused by failed injections. I think the solution went into my spinal cord and had nowhere else to go but forming a cyst out the end of my spinal cord .. Did you get any relief from having them decompressed ? They're filled with nerve endings and spinal fluid so there's only a few surgeon's in the country that will perform surgery on tarlov cysts. I'm curious of your results ...
@@kimberlymarie3651 My experience is that tarlov's cysts can be very painful and often respond to epidural steroid injections, among other things. The reason I know they were the problem is that the patient otherwise had a normal MRI. I hope you find relief soon! -Dr. Pell
Everybody is different. I suffered 2 years before doing this at a University Teaching Hospital by a surgeon that was reputable and celebrity/athletes go to him. Was the best decision I made. I got excellent outcome and can walk, stand up straight, navigate stairs and can sit in the car without excruciating pain.
When was it done for you? You realize any benefit you get is temporary. I am sure the doctor told you it would wear off soon. Many people dont know the risks
@DeukSpineInstitute surgery is temporary too. Don't act like surgery is a cure! There's a time limit on everything, and everything is temporary. Again, more lies being told by our neurosurgeon here.
@nicholastannous9197 And who are you? He's a reputable spine doctor exposing those who don't care. It sounds like you are the one he's talking about, right?
I wouldn't even have the epidural during childbirth. I'm a partial paraplegic. I couldn't fathom having a needle stuck in my back and then being even temporarily paralyzed. I was always told that epidural can't cause paralysis. I'm on a spinal cord injury support group and know 2 people who have been paralyzed by epidural, one during childbirth and the other was getting epidural for pain management
Did they get pralysed immediately or gradually after the delivery? I got epidural anasthesia in my vaginal delivery and m suffering from back neck pain since two days.
This is scary as shit! I’ve gone to a pain Mgt dr that REQUIRED I have a steroid shot, EVEN IF I DIDN’T NEED IT- - - otherwise he would NOT REFILL MY PAIN MEDICATION PRESCRIPTION! He wanted the big bucks from Social Security for doing a 3 minute injection!! I found a different pain Mgt doctor!
I’m in the same boat. I’ve been getting several caudal epidural injections a year with current pain Dr. for years. 1 1/2 years ago I was diagnosed with CLL-a form of leukemia, and I since then I said no to further epidurals. Ironically, once I was diagnosed-the Dr’s comment was, “No surgeon will touch you now”. It’s all about procedures. I asked for an updated MRI last August and of course Medicare denied, the PA ( haven’t seen the actual Dr. In over a year) refused to appeal, said there was no purpose if I wasn’t getting a procedure. Now he brought in a third party to conduct some sort of viascan 3d scan to check our hearts. When I wanted to opt out I was told by nurse it was mandatory as part of my care plan. Meanwhile, I’m suffering, can barely walk and they don’t care. Meds are held hostage. My primary just got MRI approved and I’m going to start looking to move on.
I have had several epidurals in the past and it was a surgeon that performed the procedures. Following my last treatment, the surgeon told me that there was barely room to place the needle into the facet joint area. My pain has improved and I haven't needed further injections. But it was not my pain medicine doctor who performed this procedure it was a surgeon.
Thanks for sharing. Most ESIs are done by Interventional pain management doctors and a few spine surgeons perform. A better option is Deuk laser disc repair which cures pain so you don’t need to keep coming back
I begged for this epidural. They kept putting me off for conservative care. I can’t be in this pain anymore. I can’t wait to have this next week and get relief
@@DeukSpineInstitute I’m going this route first before any surgery is required. A friend had been pain free from this for about a year and a half now. When I run out of options, I’ll go this roigte
I'm supposed to have a steroid spinal injection soon. This video has just helped me make the decision I had already been leaning towards. Thank you Dr.
Thank you! I watched this right after I left a pain treatment center. I did not go through with the procedure because I was afraid of getting something close to my spinal cord caused by paralyzation.
I almost died from epidural ,doctor performing procedure and I was telling him,something is wrong,my heart chest were intensifying in pain,heart rate increased, blood pressure elevated. Finally I said stop something is wrong now. Finally I had to be emergency sent to ER and dam doctor told my family he didn't know what happen. He lied..But he wanted me in ER so another doctor's care. I should of reported him. I survived only by care of ER and me getting aggressive. So be careful. God bless
You just saved me from trying injections for the 5th time ! I know I need decompression surgery not the bs treatment pain Dr's trying to feed me . Thanks doc !
Those injections make the Dr's LOTS of money. Thats why they do them. The give ZERO pain relief except for placebo effect and they were $1500 a shot back in 2010
I knew a woman who had minir neck surgery she was paralyzed till she died a little over a year after coming down with covid ! It was a horrific way to spend her last year ! Her husband died of greaf a few years later so sad i have never really spoken of it because it is just so awful
They need to find a pain med thats not addicting. They line people up at pain management like cattle and want to charge the insurance large amounts of money. I had these in the back of my neck every 6 months. The swelling was so bad and they wore off after a few weeks. This is so ridiculous.
An MRI showed I developed syringohmyelia in result from trauma. My pain doctor insisted I get cervical epidural injections, and that there were no serious risks involved. He also said I would be fully sedated during the procedure. So many red flags. I'm glad I opted out.
What this doctor is describing is malpractice, not problems with the procedure of cervical epidural injections. Which btw helps thousands of people every year.
Correct. While this specific case was negligence, to say ESI's help millions is a farce. There is no proof these even work, the benefits are temporary at best. They are NOT FDA approved and are used off label for a reason. On top of that, there's a black label warning on all of these steroid bottles saying "not for epidural use" I had one (ESI) and now have Adhesive Arachnoiditis. Proving it was a nightmare because I disrupted the doctor bro code. It's disgusting how they market these as safe, when they are anything but
Exactly. I have a brilliant consultant via the pain team here in England. I have been seeing them for 2.5 years. Never any damage. They not only look at all my previous xray slides saved from every procedure before, but they have a C arm (xray) live in the procedure, they go very slow, they use decent stuff and they use dyes to check position before they inject the steroids and local in. This is malpractice regardless of why, the procedure isn't a scam. The procedure means I can walk and don't spend my life in a wheelchair. So I would say just make sure you have GOOD consultants and make sure you look into their history, also discuss your options with them and make sure they are being thorough.
It paralyzed my right leg for 30 hours. I will never get another injection in my spine. The FDA has never approved cortisone injections in the spine because it's to dangerous! But doctors have been doing it for decades. Oh and the cortisone speeds up bone loss , to keep you as a life long patient.
It seems like some people succeed with epidurals and others don't. My mom had 3 successful ones in her neck, and it brought huge pain relief to her. Unfortunately, there are cases like described here too that don't go well.
Thank you Dr for explaining this procedure! I’m scheduled for Thursday and I’m canceling it! You explained what could happen and the drug you named, they said that’s what they would be using!!! I’m scared to death thinking of what could’ve happened to me!! I’m going to schedule with another doctor who truly knows what to do! It might be 3 counties from me but I’d rather be safe than sorry! Again thank you so much!!!🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Obligatory Warning most gruesome inventions; Joint Replacements; knee, hip, shoulder, elbow, finger, ankle for the treatment muscle pain is medieval torture creating a cannibalizing interspecies food chain by orthopedic surgeons. Obligatory Warning most gruesome inventions ; spinal fusions cervical and lower back for the treatment of muscle pain is medieval torture creating a cannibalizing interspecies food chain by neurosurgeons.
I am scheduled for a spinal steroid shot this Saturday. I have a herniated disk on my l4-l5. I’m in a lot of pain all the time, which is why I was excited about this treatment. After watching this I am now so scared and wondering if I should cancel my procedure☹️
I have the same issues. Compressed/herniated disk L3-L5-S1. Spinal Lumbar stenosis as well. I've had about 22 lumbar back decompressions and adjustments over the passed 2 months. Not doing it. Helps a little. Going in for spinal steroid injection tomorrow too. In my research, I've heard good and bad when it comes to this procedure. But, the pain management center that I'm going to, the Dr there, has so many 5 star reviews. I'm talking 50 plus. That's given me the confidence to go with it. My chiropractor recommended this guy. His office is 30 miles away from my home, but I'm going anyway. Also, this is just the first step. Sometime after this, I may go back in, for the Radiofrequency ablation. This procedure will provide anywhere from 8 months to 2 years or more, of pain free.🤔
wow, well said. i had an epi and had to pay 1200 out of pocket. the pain did not get better. at the end i just had micro discectomy and am all better now.
I’ve had several procedures for which the physician asked if I wanted an epidural because I could go home shortly after the procedure. I demanded general anaesthetic to their surprise. I had heard of the medical misadventures described here. I made it VERY clear: no general, consent withdrawn for the procedure requiring anaesthesia.
@@GasdocOK I have heard of poorly placed needles damaging the spinal cord itself, rather than simply instilling the anaesthetic agent into the liquid that bathes the cord, with no cord contact by the needle. I might reconsider were fluoroscopic guidance available.
@@yogiperogy Of course there are some bad outcomes. The risk of a major complication from an epidural injection is around 1 in 80,000 to 1 in 100,000. Given the number of epidural anesthetics and injections done every year, yes, they do happen. I have personally done over 5000 epidural injections without a major complication, but I'm not arrogant enough to think that it can never happen to me. sometimes, though, it is the best option for the patient, either for surgical anesthesia or for pain management. That is certainly a discussion to have with your own doctor and not with some guy on the internet!
I’ve seen plenty of greedy spinal surgeons (ortho and neurosurgeons) make horrendous management decisions too that left patients with life altering injuries.
I just found out that spinal epidurals are not approved by the FDA because it's to dangerous, but doctors have been doing it for decades. I've also found out that the medicine they use speeds up bone loss and I not only did not get any relief from the epidurals I now have severe osteoporosis of my bones. Seems those epidurals keep you a life long patient..
I am very sorry this happened to you. As an interventional pain community we need to be very careful of our dye spread prior to injecting steroid medications, but even with the highest degree of caution, complications can always occur. I hope that you have recovered fully from this.
@@aradeukmedjian5957 The last epidural that was suppose to help my pain paralyzed my right leg for 30 hours and I was in severe pain.. I lost all skin sensation and I couldn't feel or use my leg and foot. I couldn't even wiggle my toes. The doctor kept telling me my feeling would come back in an hour over and over. He had to admit me to the hospital and I was terrified the paralysis was going to be permanent. Thank God at around 30 hours I got my feeling back in my leg and it's back to normal , thank God , but I was still in extreme pain . So, my primary doctor ordered a MRI and I now have numerous medium - large tarlov cysts on both sides of sacrum area that weren't there before. The cysts are filled with my nerve endings and spinal fluid ! The epidural needle and medicine accidentally went into my spinal cord and there wasn't room for the meds , so it blew out at the end of my spinal cord and formed all the cyst's in my sacrum area. The cysts have my nerves endings inside them with spinal fluid. The size can increase depending on what activity I'm doing that would cause my spinal fluid pressure to change. Heavy physical activity, flying in an airplane , storms; bariatric pressure changes during storms , so could my spinal fluid pressure etc .. Changes in spinal fluid pressure causes even more pain because there's more pressure on the nerves inside the cysts. Only 2 surgeons in the country will do surgery on them for obvious reasons; you don't want to drain your spinal fluid and nerve endings are inside. One time I got up during the night to get a drink of water and I was in severe pain; next , I found myself at the end of my bed on the floor ! The pain was so severe I fainted from the pain !. That's only happened once , thank god. Anyways, When all the large tarlov cysts showed up on my new MRI right after my botched low lumbar spinal epidural to help my pain all my doctors ignore the cysts and never mentioned them. Then when I ask about them they tell me their incidental findings and they don't cause any pain and I was born with them . But, when I Google to find information , they do cause damage and lots of pain and I have most all the terrible symptoms. I've have other things going on with my back degenerative disc and facet disease , compression vertebrae fractures , bulging and herniated discs, bilateral stenosis , arthritis , my body has fused together my L5-S1 in a bad position and now severe osteoporosis and Tarlov cysts. .It's been a struggle and a nightmare experience and has opened my eyes concerning doctors. I have very little faith left for doctors . Not just doctors , but our whole healthcare system (USA) So, beware of spinal epidurals there's very serious/dangerous consequences . Focus on fixing the issue (surgery ) while you still can , because the epidurals speeds up bone loss and then they can't do surgery and you're then a lifetime pain patient. It's all about the money. Doctors make a lot more money giving epidurals , physical therapy , burning and destroying the nerve , implanting a spinal cord stimulator....etc. They don't make money prescribing cheap pain meds that work . So, they're pushing/forcing the other options that make them a lot more money. That's what their "War on Drugs" is all about. Sorry this is so long , please beware of spinal epidurals , there dangerous and have severe consequences .
Thank you for the video. PLEASE HELP ME! I've been dealing with sciatic pain for over four years now. It started basically around the time of the pandemic. Because I couldn't get proper treatment at the time, it kind of stayed with me and got worse. Now the recovery is very slow. I've tried everything except injection and surgery. The doctors say that it's a very mild case of disc slippage on my L5 and L4, and there is no way they're going to do surgery on me. I've tried acupuncture, physical therapy, medications, chiropractic lots of other things for YEARS, and everything works except only temporarily. The best thing that has worked for me has been progressive exercises. But the problem is the recovery phase is very slow. For example, I've been doing them non-stop for the past six months, and while I have seen improvements, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna have these limitations for at least another six months or so. Limitations such as not being able to sit pain-free and not being able to sit for more than, let's say, 20 minutes at all. If I sit longer, then I'm gonna have to pay for it, and this is affecting my relationship. At this point I don't remember how being normal feels like any more. when the doctors see my MRI they treat me as if I'm normal and nothing is wrong with me and they don't take me seriously. one of the most even put me on antidepressant drugs saying that it might be mental but that didn't help either. Do you think if I take an injection now it would help? Or what else do you suggest?
This made me rethink the injections im suppose to get soon. I have degenerative arthritis and retrolistesis in l3 and 4. Ive tried pt. It triggers my other problems.
I got tricked and lied to, the pain management dr saying they were required by insurance to make sure they were treating the right place every 3 years and were only giving me ladocaine because I told them I had had no help from thoracic steroid injections, went for the shots and the work order said transforaminal epidural steroid injection, very hesitant, I went ahead and had it done feeling hopeless hoping to stop some of this severe cronic pain I have had for 20 years and have had lightheadedness, more pain and spazms most of the time, inflamation and stroke like symptoms but maybe a 10% reduction of pain for a 1 hour a couple times a day. I just wanted to document this in case I have a stroke or die before I see my PCP dr.
Don't listen to dodgy youtube experts that are out to scare you for personal profit! There are plenty of legitimate sources on the internet to research.
Obligatory Warning most gruesome inventions; Joint Replacements; knee, hip, shoulder, elbow, finger, ankle for the treatment muscle pain is medieval torture creating a cannibalizing interspecies food chain by orthopedic surgeons. Obligatory Warning most gruesome inventions ; spinal fusions cervical and lower back for the treatment of muscle pain is medieval torture creating a cannibalizing interspecies food chain by neurosurgeons.
My pain doctor did not tell me it was not FDA approved and had he done that I would NOT have that it done....I am in more pain than before it was done !!
Please comment on how risky getting the discseel procedure is. I had a disectomy on my l4-l5 hernia that was blocking a lot of my spinal fluid. I got some relief but not enough to live a normal life. Discseel looks like the only thing that can help by inflating the disc. Now I'm a bit worried that they might injure me doing this procedure.
I think this is a bit misleading. Surgery has it's own huge set of risks and the severity of the symptoms matters as well. To my mind it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to do surgery on a patient with mild symptoms when a properly administered injection might be effective. However, injections obviously need to be administered by a practitioner with the knowledge and skill to do it properly, with the correct medicine. Point is, sometimes surgery is the right treatment and sometimes it's not. The best policy is to get a 2nd and even a 3rd opinion before going forward with ANY treatment.
Your thought process was correct for surgery many years ago but new surgery technology like Deuk Laser Disc Repair and Deuk Plasma Rhizotomy cure 92% of the causes of back pain. There is no need anymore for injections like epidural steroid injection which never provides permanent pain relief. ua-cam.com/video/Mq0dmhwIrMc/v-deo.html
@@DeukSpineInstitute you did not reply to the poster saying that you charged $26K for his surgery and did not or relieved anything, that left without a reply is an admission of guilty in my opinion
@@RCREVIEWS101 So you want a medical clinic to publicly discuss a specific patients medical care? Really?, no really? Go educate yourself on HIPPA laws. Then come back here and apologize for your lack of insight...
@@aradeukmedjian5957 no apologies to you, and your bitter attitude is a shame, shows no skills dealing with people. A real good Dr. does not have time for UA-cam just for a starter. No one expect you to discuss specific medical care here, you understood well my question, don't go around. You could simply reply if the poster is legit or BS...we know now it is probably legit.
Dr which cortisone brand is more suitable for an epidural injections ? I been use depo medrol for many many years in my spine lower back Neck knee shoulder feet hand Never had an issue as you said depending who does them I always choose An older experience Dr to do them not any one Recently I had a dexamethasone for the first time on nerve root L4 I experience hot flush problem sleeping head ache I do not experienced those with depo medrol I been advice from the some clinic to use dexamethasone for epidural what you advice ? Thnks
Dexamethasone is the correct steroid to use and your flushing was a side effect of the steroid. Depomedrol is less safe and maybe they were putting a lower dose before so less side effects.
@@aradeukmedjian5957 40mg depo medrol used in the pass I still preferred this brand I had a lot on my lower back facet joints suggested by a professor orthopaedic to use depo only Worked quick on the inflammations Just last week I went for another on my lower back and this radiologist want to use dexamethasone on nerve root L4 I never had this brand before But they said is more suitable for epidural injections the difference with both is that depo is cloud and Dexa is clear liquid
I really appreciate you for this video doc! However unfortunately I’m watching this too late . About 2 Months ago I got a Cervical Epidural Steroid Injection. Keep in mind , I never had pain , rather so , just stiffness & tightness. My doctor encouraged for me to do this & me not knowing enough I went along sadly. Following this procedure , my body feels like a robot . I have high levels of anxiety & rapid heart rate. My neck and back , and scalp became as stiff as a vegetable . I don’t even feel human at this point after this… I’m in severe depression & discomfort. What should I do? I’m hopeless
Dr im desperately waiting for surgery. My doctor is not making the right diagnosis. I need hel i waited 8 years . Plus i got hurt at job everyday for many years acumulated pain . What can i do . I feel that im not worted to be alive . Owing money borrowing money to pay car ins dmv gas . My pet food . And deal with pain evey second of each minute. I need an advice. Im in california santa barbara. S O S.
Sheesh this is frightening! I have a herniated disc with nerve pain and my doctor referred me to get an epidural. So i just started watching a few vids to get a better understanding of what happens and WOW...Im kinda scared now.
I have a injury attorney and was told from my mri I have a herniated disc’s L4 and L5 and now spinal stenosis what would be a safer and better way to have this looked at or done. I am a diabetic also. And I am beyond worried and a bit scared to have a spinal injection done.
I've had about 8 epidurals and did nothing because they didn't do them in the place i was having pain. Si joints are my pain source and they kept doing it in my discs and the mri shows nothing wrong with them. So waste of money, time and the pain involved in getting them. Luckily they didn't make me worse. Chiropractor helped more than doctors did.
I'm being told the only treatment by doctors are injections in my spine and I have a phobia of something being injected into my spine and told them NO. I can Not and will Not let them put a needle in my back so what happened? I was dropped! I've been suffering from 3 places on my spine cutting into the nerves making doing even the littlest things unbearable! I can't lean over my plate to eat without have pain so bad I break into tears .... from just eating! I can't take care of my cats, I had to stop driving for a job and I've had to give up so much of my life to the pain is hurts my Soul! I can't do my art or play a video game because the pain is so bad! I've been getting by with meds my gf can give me but they're not enough and only dull the pain. What is my option when I suffer but can't get a doctor to help with anything but "costly" injections?
Ive gotten a lot of pain relief from going to a chiropractor. It helped more than any injection I've ever got no relief from and I won't get another one. Try a chiropractor, it helps the pain alot. Maybe your spine is misaligned and just needs to be adjusted. Try one , you won't regret it.
Sounds like a radiofrequency ablation could drastically help you, but being that you don't want a needle in your back, it's not possible. I was in pain for a long time. I woke up from the procedure pain free. It's minimally invasive, no cuts, and they don't stick the needle in your spine. They stick it in the nerves along the spine. That said, I'm just assuming based off your listed symptoms. You may or may not be a candidate for the procedure, but it can be a life saver.... Gave me my life back.
@@JCJ34 radio ablation is still putting a needle in your spine. The FDA has never approved spinal epidurals in the spine because it's too dangerous yet doctors have been doing it for decades and the medicine injected speeds up bone loss and causes cartilage loss making the person a life long patient. The last one I got paralyzed my right leg and foot for 30 hours and had to be admitted to the hospital. Thank God it wasn't permanent, but others aren't so lucky. Why kill a nerve to block a pain signal to your brain ? All that does is you won't feel the pain while the pinched nerve continues to get damaged more until you start to lose important functions like bladder and bowl control , weakness in legs and paralysis if your nerve is in your lower back. But if the pinched nerve is higher up it will affect other functions . I've had about 10 spinal epidurals years ago and I now have severe osteoporosis and bones are to soft I can't have a fusion to correct my pinched nerves . A screw won't hold in a soft vertebra bone. I get compression vertebrae fractures from doing nothing because my bones are soft from all the spinal epidurals I've had. I will never get another needle in my back . I explained to my doctor I had my leg paralyzed for 30 hours from my last epidural and I won't get another one and the doctor still was pushing me to get another one by saying he'll send me to a good doctor !!! ummm no that's how I found the doctor that paralyzed my right leg for 30 hours.. I won't be bullied into getting another epidural. So, everyone having pinched nerves ; don't put off surgery to correct the problem. Have surgery to correct the pinched nerve while you still can because your bones are still strong !! If you put it off surgery with multiple spinal epidurals it will give that toxic medication time to destroy your cartilage and bones. Focus on correcting the pinched nerve , not cutting off the pain signal to your brain because the nerve continues to be damaged more .. My back pain experience has made me lose faith in doctors and the whole healthcare industry. The doctors are taking pain meds away from people who legitimately need it. It's all about the money. Doctors don't make money prescribing cheap pain meds , so they're taking pain meds away and pushing expensive procedures like spinal epidurals that damage your back making you a lifetime patient. Focus on correcting the pinched nerve , not destroy the nerve that sends pain signal. Pretty sure that nerve does more than just send a pain signal ?! I compare the doctors approach to back pain to being like this... If you're driving down the road and your "CHECK ENGINE SOON" warning light comes on in your car and you pull over and open the hood and pull out the wire to make the "Check Engine Soon" warning light to go out and you continue to keep driving the car !! Just ignoring the warning sign , but you know the damage is still there and the car is going to breakdown. Don't put off surgery to correct the pinched nerve. Correct it while you still can . Epidurals never helped my pain; they've only done damage
@@kimberlymarie3651 ... The ablation is not in your spine, it's beside it. While I agree that it's not correcting the issue, my issue isn't one that can suddenly get worse without some traumatic event so it works for me. I feel no pain, get regular check-ups to keep an eye on things, and can now move and lift things without issue. For me, it's a win win. I'm not familiar with the spinal epidural, so I'll take your word for it. I go to the Spine Institute where they only focus on spinal issues, and my doctor does not want to cut on anyone unless it's a last resort, which I agree with. There are risks with any procedure, but my cousin has debilitating issues caused by back and neck surgeries. I'll go under the knife if I need to, but it isn't my first choice of things to try.
@@JCJ34my doctor has done RFA's on me. They've been a game changer when it comes to the amount of occipital headaches I have! If you aren't an appropriate candidate for, or aren't to the level where they feel surgical intervention is needed yet (when the nerve pain outweighs the damage), this can make so much difference! I just don't think that some people realize what an RFA entails. I've had people ask me how I'm able to feel anything if they "burn all of your nerves"
I have to get an epidural shot. The receptionist called today and said MRI that was scheduled for tomorrow would be cancelled due to insurance, because I already had one earlier this year in like Feb, so the receptionist said the doctor would use that MRI instead to see where she would do the injection. But I'm a little hesitant with that, because I'm in more pain now then I was when that MRI was taken and it's mainly at my bra line (midback) and lower right side at the top of my butt, and the top of my neck, and I keep severe headaches almost like migraines or tension headaches. I've also been diagnosed with scoliosis. Any advice from anyone it will be much appreciated?
I had 2 epidurals done in 2011 I believe it was. During the second time the man doing it kept saying "it's tight, it's too tight" & I had to try Bend forward even more. Neither of those helped me & in 2016 2 pain management drs wanted to do it again. I have scoliosis, stenosis DDD, bulging discs & arthritis in my spine. Pain management also won't help with easing pain unless you do those injections. I had went to surgeons in 2012 who told me all they could do was keep my pain comfortable with meds but were too busy to be the dr for that. All lumbar
I have had three top neurosurgeons tell me that they would not operate for my spinal stenosis and instead recommended a spinal cord implant, which I have hesitated doing. Comment?
Your stenosis, back pain and leg symptoms from stenosis can be cured with deuk laser disc repair. The SCS implants dont work well and stop working soon after implantation in many cases. google deuk laser disc repair.
I had an epidural injection 4 days ago. Most relief ive gotten in 4 years.
great to hear. When your pain returns, I recommend you look into a permanent fix, deuk laser disc repair.
Don’t believe this nonsense. Injections are fine.
I had two of these "treatments"
It worked for a week then the pain returned with a vengeance
I had the second one and had a massive headache for a week afterward
The "doctor" said "Oh sometimes that happens" Yeah right!.....Good Bye to that scammer!!!
Thank God there was no permanent damage to my back....this doctor is correct in my opinion
Just FYI@@DeukSpineInstitute
I just had mine today, I hope it works for me also
I had one several years ago and it was wonderful. It helped me so much
Dude, there is usually more risk with a spine surgery versus a spinal injection. Most of the time injections should be attempted first unless the symptoms and exam findings are very severe. There are very skilled pain management specialists. The big money is with the spine and neurosurgeons, so that opinion can also be biased. I've seen many patients with failed spine surgeries. They are obviously worth the risk for some people but literally just today my patient who got an RFA today was asking why is she still having so much pain when she already had spine surgery. How frustrating it must be when you spend so much money, take time off work, have a painful surgery, go to all the PT, only to not feel any better? It happens too often.
There are many bad spine surgeons I would agree
This is def me - had an unsuccessful lumbar fusion at Mayo Clinic and now it’s too late to go after them legally - it has been absolute hell for the last 2 1/2 years. Everything came loose, screws fell and broke in my sacrum, so had a second spinal fusion in April (with a different surgeon) plus full laminectomy, and facetectomy. Have awful inflammation especially in the tailbone because he had to drop hardware down another level, the bilateral spinal epidurals help.
Proper diagnosis, triage, peer reviews, specialist surgeons, great facilities is the way to go. Do your homework folks, bad doctors can be killers. Two lumbar injections yesterday at UW health in Madison WI, great doctor and great facility.
Thanks for commenting.
May the good lord bless all the good doctors. Shalom from Singapore
Shalom my friend. Thank you for your support.
Thank you and God bless you for exposing this. I need to share this with someone very dear to me right now. This is just crazy and sad that someone suffered at the hands of the person that was supposed to care for him. I pray he gets better.
Welcome
I pray for the suffering every day
This is why I’m not going to let any of them use my body as a experiment and I’m suffering now in the worst pain and don’t no what else to do
Me too. This is awful, I am a chronic pain patient and have had one set of these injections and they did nothing for my pain. I refused further shots as they are risky for no benefit too me. I suffer from fibromyalgia and have for years before this accident which also could be made worse by these shots. I have been choosing physical therapy instead and mds too help control pain
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I am scared now. I am glad I came to this site. I was in an accident recently and the pain management doctor is saying I need the steroid injection, but my MRI also states, along with two herniated disks that I also have severe stenosis.
Don't do it with severe stenosis! I just had a failed injection in my cervical spine where I have severe stenosis. Now I'm having more neurological symptoms in my arms and hands and more pain. I realize after watching this video that I am lucky not to be totally paralyzed.
Lack of diagnosis is the worst problem
totally agree
OMG I just had an epidural injection yesterday! It didn't really hurt during procedure.....but I was very stiff afterward and this morning I'm in worse shape then I was yesterday! Plus about $3k on a bill! I've been to 1 neurologist, who maybe spent 3 minutes tops during my first visit, then he sent me in for. MRI/X-RAY a month later.....then the next day I had go back in to see neurologist and he didn't show me my MRI/X-RAY RESULTS instead told he was sending me to another neurologist/neurosurgeon.
This first neurologist didn't want to deal with me it what it was, he really didn't seem to care and his staff were very rude and acted as though I was an inconvenience! And he told me I NEEDED A SPINE FUSION SURGERY I was in a state of panic until I finally got into see the neurosurgeon and he went over my results. I have a herniated disk, arthritis, sciatica, and fibromyalgia. The herniated disc is not big enough for surgery at the time so he wants me to get these epidural injections then if I'm still in all the pain then he will look into just going in and removing the damaged disc.
But after reading all these comments and what this here Dr is saying I'm always terrified of getting another epidural injection!
Is it me or has anyone else had a lot of trouble getting medical professionals to actually give 2 shits to help us?
I'm in tears over all this. I've been off work since February, my money is running out and I feel like I'm in a mari-go-round with getting anywhere with my problem!
Any advice would be greatly appreciated
Yea seem like I'm getting the run around and been off also
No. They only care about the bottom line. Money.
If it isn't them dealing with it, majority of them just simply won't care. Why get a job like this if they won't help? Money always plays a hand in human livelihood and who gets helped before another. If you have money, they are at your feet asking if you need anything in a nice cozy room. If you are like me and others with low income health insurance, prepare to be in pain just waiting for them to take care of you hours later just to send you home and say oh well take the pain. I'm not mad at all doctors, don't get me wrong there are great ones out there, but I am speaking on the ones who care for money and treat people rudely.
I got delayed diagnosis for 9 years and finally went to another Dr. Got a MRI and my whole spine was stenosis spondylitis Myothopey, just had a decompression surgery C5 C6 level, had a EMG the other day and that showed Chronic low back pain and sciatica on the right, and now DR. Wants to do injections... Now I'm scared....after watching these videos..... I haven't been able to work for 9 months, single mom and have lost everything.... But I have hurt for so long it is crazy.... I need some relief... Like yesterday....
Some care some don't. keep changing doctors until you are comfortable.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COURAGE AND HONESTY
Thank you
Thank you for your videos. I'm in the process of having multiple disc's repaired from a vehicle accident. I've already dealt with disc issues starting at 20 from commercial construction work.
Welcome. Hope it goes well for you.
@aradeukmedjian5957 Thank You. I think I found a good one e like yourself. DR Sharma from Georgetown Med. Very good I think. I've been through a few since having been dealing with this for the last 20 plus years.
We have pain for a reason. Our body tells us there is something wrong. The last thing anyone should do is suppress the pain and pretend all is well. It's like having CEL (Check Engine Light) on the dash of your car and you unplug it. I have been living with pain for years, and I'm used to it. I've seen army of doctors and specialists for my condition and none were able to help me. And I live in USA, country with supposedly most advanced healthcare system in the world. It appears all the good doctors died or retired, and the new crop is useless and clueless.
Wow thank you for this video. I had 5 of these injections in back and neck. I wish I new what I do now. They didn't help at all. It was all for the money from my car accident case. Great videos to inform people.
Hello, I wonder what would happen if you didn’t take the pain shots.
Hey I'm in same boat, did the shot help your compensation significantly like they say it will?
@@henrybeeson8366 it was a try and fail situation. Since the shots failed surgery was the next step I had done. Had my back done but not my neck. As far as compensation I feel it helped somewhat.
@@soloesbp have you tried anything else? Has anything helped your neck and back?
@LitGyal I ended up having a L5S1 fusion with a new disc. After going thru that surgery I don't want to have surgery on neck. It was a long heal process and 7 days in rehab hospital.
Omg, I needed to hear this. Thank you Doctor.
Welcome. I have seen this happen first hand when a pain management doctor injected the steroid into the spinal cord and caused immediate paralysis. I have seen it happen 3x over the years. I had to operate on a patient that had an epidural hematoma from an ESI from a local pain management doctor who forgot to stop the blood thinners before the injection.
Thanks for admitting that there are bad doctors out there that are greedy and truly could care less about the welfare of the patient. I had lasik done without being properly being informed of all the downsides and potential complications. I had a bad outcome and the doctor just threw his hands up and said "It's all in your head, nothing more I can do." No refunds. Even the "safest" surgeries in our world today can have life changingly bad outcomes.
This is very true. Alot of these injections and or surgery’s can have alot of risk with them and need too be discussed more before procedure is done
Oh yes I’ve had that too. Nothing wrong with me. All in my head. Despite falling down the stairs and after that not being able to feel my right leg and dragging it around! But nothing wrong with me….disgusting. You’ve just got to be your own champion and not take no for an answer.
yeah I try and stay as far away from having any procedures done as I can. No offense to the doctors but at the end of the day we are still cutting into the human body with knives etc.
When looking at Epidurals I saw a video that showed they had to puncture into the spinal cord channel with a needle, basically only using feel to sense where they were. An inavertant knock of 1cm could mean you have a needle shoved directly into your spinal chord.
For me I have a hydrocele but I am happy to drain it myself, after watching hydrocele surgery videos where the doctors cut into your scrote and treat it like they are working on their truck.
they all are greedy, rare exceptions and this guy is not one exception, he is here to gather patients
Yes, exactly. I had an L5-S1 posterior spinal fusion. I came out of my surgery with severe anterior pain. I can't use any of my abdominal muscles.
I’ve had multiple epidural lumbar injections and radio frequency ablations. My pain management doctor is exceptional and I’ve had zero problems after my procedures. I’m doing this to manage the pain until I have a appointment with a local spine surgeon. I’ve not found a need to be scared of my pain doctor. He saw the MRIs I’ve had and configured a plan to fit my particular requirements.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Fortunately serious complications are not common but awareness they exist and do occur is key to making an informed decision
@@aradeukmedjian5957 I had office visit with a spine surgeon last month. He spent a total of 5 minutes with me. Briefly looked at the MRI and X-rays, barely addressed any of the visible problems and was dismissive. As he walked out of the exam room I had to ask him what was the result of the bone scan he had me do. Standing in the doorway he said, “ oh, it’s minus 2.2, osteopenia, so take vitamin D and calcium “ and walked away.
So now I have an appointment tomorrow with a different practice and another spine surgeon. I’ll have the MRI CDs, written reports and whatever else they need. If I get treated that way again, all hell will break loose. I’m always very polite and willing to discuss any plan or recommendation a doctor has, but I do not appreciate being dismissed so cavalierly. If that occurs, I’ll give up trying to get any treatment and just live with this until I’m unable to do anything.
Hi Dr I’m doing all injections did not work for me I have pain to much 😢😢😢😢😢
You need the deuk laser disc repair procedure. This procedure cures back pain from disc injuries. Use the link below to see if you are a candidate.
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@DeukSpineInstitute disc injuries are not what causes the pain its modic chnages in the endplates ... comeone doc.. you know disc are not what causes pain..unless its buldged or hernaited
great info doctor! I did a video about ESI 2 years ago warning about the risks. Sadly many pain management doctors push these right away and don't even inform about any of the risks
You have shown me what happened to me. Thank you so much. I now have the answers which has been covered up by my surgical team all these years.
our goal is to expose the truth
What has been covered up ?
Please give us more information ?
Spinal fusion are the cure for this 😊
They def help me. Getting another bilateral spinal epidural in the morning because I have had two lumbar fusions, laminectomy, and facetectomy. I have a ton of inflammation, especially TAILBONE pain. Not pleasant, but if he hits the right spots about four days later it’s a huge relief so totally worth it.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I guess the main point of the video is “why get shots that dont last and are dangerous when there is a cure to pain where it wont ever come back”
Sadly, if only this were true, I was told by Mayo Clinic when seeing pain management before my operation I would never have to see them again, just let us in there. Result - failed fusion. The hardware came loose, broke and the screws fell and were stuck in my sacrum so I had to have another operation. My left foot is now nothing but pins & needles, it’s just been a horrible 2 1/2 years and I am STILL in pain management getting epidurals.
As a responsible, Pain Management MD , I always look at the MRI prior to any injection to note any level of critical stenosis. It could be a medial branch or facet block to treat axial pain prior to you doing a multilevel fusion. It’s always important to rule out mechanically, mediate neck, pain rather than disc related neck pain. And yes, I would never inject Medrol into the cervical spine instead the better choice is dexamethasone preservative free, which is non-particulate
Thanks for sharing your perspective
Thank you, I’ve had cervical stenosis for 5 yrs, scared to death of drs!!!
@@Kathyahedrick3 welcome
I became a quadriplegic after a C-spine injection, but thank God, it was reversed. I can walk!
Wow. Very scary. I am glad you have shared your experience with us. So many people are unaware of the risks of spinal injections.
I couldn’t walk after one ESI. it was super scary even if it was temporary. I won’t let any dr give me another chance especially since I likely have EDS which makes your dura weakened. I already had 6 tarlov cysts treated surgically, I’d rather not have anymore.
@@dianaw4072 I have multiple large tarlov cysts. No doctor will tell me what causes them. They don't know and they don't cause pain. I highly suspect they're caused from improper spinal epidurals I've had . Is that how you got tarlov cysts ?
Omg 😮
Hey! I hope you'll find this, I need your positive energy! After multiple spine surgeries and lastly ESI 3 weeks ago for pain, I'm not paralysed from my right leg. I'm walking with the crotch, but I'd hope to improve. MRI showed arachnoiditis. I haven't found any answers on net, if you can reverse back to normal after accute inflammation. Your reply gave me HOPE❤
Your own website offers epidural steroid injection as an option for spine and radicular treatment. Also can you discuss the fact that there are greater than 10million epidural steroid injections performed each year in the US. SPinal cord injury related to ESI is a very serious but very rare complication. As you mentioned need to ensure safety of a treatment. Maybe highlight the complication rate of cervical spine decompression! Although it is the right choice for some, it comes with a significant risk of complications nerve injury, paralysis, and death compared to epidural injection.
I had double spinal fusion sept 2013. The dr that did my procedure is the spine dr for the LSU football team. They let me lay in recovery for almost 2 hours and couldn’t control my pain. It wasn’t until I started coming to and felt a weird sensation in my feet and it moved up my body. I was paralyzed from neck down. I had a epidural hematoma blood clot from C-2 through C-7. I had emergency surgery. I fully recovered movement. I live in horrible pain. I was a captain in the fire dept. That’s how I initially got injured. At a fire. This surgeon who is a well known surgeon let that happen to me.
I do have an amazing pain management dr. He is so caring and sweet. I had a epidural in Feb. it made a huge difference. I have my next one this Friday. June 10. That is my story. I went from being a healthy person to disabled.
Sorry to hear this happened I wish you well in your life you
I'm schedule to have 2 injections now I'm thinking about canceling my appointment.
@@oAkiny the epidurals help me. I had my last one in Nov. everyone is different.
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@teressamushinsky2449 thank you!
This has scared the hell out of me. I’m not going ahead with pain management
I had a cortisone epidural injection to my lower lumbar back and it immediately paralyzed my right leg, I couldn't even wiggle my toes or move or use my leg. Doctor kept telling me that the feeling will come back in a fews and it didn't , he kept telling me a few more hours and I became terrified that it was going to be permanent .. He ended up admitting me to the hospital and I did get full feeling of my leg back to normal after 30 hours ! I was terrified. This happen about 10 years ago and now my new pain doctor wants me to start getting epidurals again !! Even though I told him what happened to me and I don't want to get another needle in my back ever again because it terrified me , he is still pressuring me into injections and hinted around that if I don't I can't continue to go the pain management and then I won't be able to continue to get my pain medication... I'm so sick of unethical doctors !!
I have found a lot of pain relief from going to a chiropractor . You should try it .
This is a scare video. Any medical procedure has risk. I have a rare arthritis form. I’ve had 3 surgeries and 44 interventional procedures, with a minor complication from one. And unfortunately, insurance forces my pain docs to do steroid injections every year before they’ll pay for a rhizotomy, which I have done in 6 areas every year. I have a great team. Research your doctor. I would have less than half the number of procedures if insurance didn’t force stupid steroid injections.
@@slc1161Yes. It is a “scare” video. A few numbers:
The “success” rate for epidurals is said to be about 80%. But what is the definition of success?
A peer-reviewed article in “Spine-Health” asserted the following:
“An analysis of several large clinical trials indicated that 40% to 80% of patients experienced over 50% improvement in sciatica pain
and functional outcome from 3 months up to 1 year when 1 to 4 injections were given in that year.”
So, in a worse-case scenario
39% of subjects had less than 50% reduction in pain.
It was also reported that “the
effect of the first injection decreased after a considerable relief period, for example, over 1 month.”
It can be inferred, then, that “considerable relief” occurs when a patient has 50% less pain for 31 days.
It has been clear to me that pain cannot be subjectively assessed by a percentage.
The bottom line is that epidurals for pain are a potentially devastating invasive procedure that may be of little long-term benefit for almost 40% of those treated by this intervention.
I do get it: there are those unfortunate patients that experience “suicide pain” or lesser pain that is almost intolerable. I would never suggest they discard any procedure that offers the hope of less suffering.
Why not just get spine fusion? 😊
@@kimberlymarie3651that's illegal what he is telling you..black mailing you..if your in pain he must treat you with pain meds..you tell him that you will report him to the medical board of which state you are located in..he's a greedy bastard..I had pain management Drs screw my whole body up and I was very close to sueing him..he did epidural shots in back and neck..my back got a really bad hard hemotoma that made me in pain and the neck was so intense my body heated up and I jerked my body it was so painful and the next day I worked out and my right arm started giving out..now I have permanent damage in right arm with loss of strength and muscle..he also f --ed up an acupuncture needle and my right arm again got injured and some muscle never grew back..they Drs are dangerous and I wish I could go back in time,.
ty for making this vedio and educating ppl , we need more ppl like u to make ppl aware.
Welcome
Again great "life saving" information Dr............
thank you
Was suppose to get this done here in about 3 hours .so glad I found this video !
Mine was cancelled due to high BP maybe it was a God send not to get it. I don’t know but now I don’t think I’ll get it too scary!
this actually works well
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I was scheduled, all kind of people help, trip issue, then they called. FORGOT TO GET MEDICARE APPROVAL. I cancelled. I never went back. They had all my information, medical card. How can you forget to get insurance approval?
@@littleme3597 I've found most surgeon's don't take Medicare because it pays so little. I'm facing that now myself. Doctors will give ya the run around and come up with something to cancel the procedure. I've been totally ignored and the doctor wouldn't return my call. I've ran into this problem quite a few times. I wish they'd just tell me they don't take Medicare.. So, getting and medical treatment to correct something with Medicare is a struggle.
I found out after having this done and it not working that it's not FDA approved for injection in or near the spine. It's impossible to get appropriate pain control
Deuk Spine Institute can cure your pain in one day.
Great channel. I find spinal surgery fascinating, and your insight as a skilled surgeon adds yet another dimension.
Thank you
You are wonderful for doing this, thank you
Welcome friend. People have a right to know risks.
THANK YOU, DOCTOR ❤️
Welcome
After breaking sedation during a discogram in tremendous pain and getting off the OR table with a needle still in my back years ago asking the doc what he hit me with due to the tremendous pain I lost my interest in “fixing my back”. The anesthesiologist was rumored to be a poor one so maybe the blame lies there? It was horrible absolutely horrible. The report read as advancing the needle into the L3-L4 the patient actually broke sedation and came off the table writhing in pain. Patient was comforted and gingerly helped back to the table. Dr’s need to understand a patients fear after an episode like that. I’m done being poked and prodded.
Agree. Sorry for your bad experience. Come to deuk spine where you get much better care
Provocative discography should have fallen out of vogue years ago. Diagnostic TFESI (transforaminal epidural steroid injection) or SNRB (selective nerve root block) has just as much diagnostic value, if not moreso. You should have been counseled to how uncomfortable this procedure is beforehand and I'm sorry you went through this.
@@wagdog1 thanks for your reply. I went through a battery of steroid injections and now I hear multiple steroid injections can actually cause break down of the surrounding tissues, tendons, etc in the places the steroid is injected. I’ve had them in my shoulder and knee too and now Idk what to do anymore because the last thing I need is something that gives pain relief but also damages my body. As far as my back goes the only improvement from the steroid was the sciatica but the stabbing pain was never helped. My life isn’t a great one but I’m still here trying. I can say undoubtedly that my life was forever altered when my back pain started in 2006 and that led to depression and a serious life change. There are so many ppl that judge folks thinking they look normal but they have no idea because they can’t see but a few moments of someone and should not cast judgement until they’ve walked in their shoes. Medical issues like this can completely change the course of someone’s life and has. I feel bad for humans that had to go through life with issues like back in the day this without any medical interventions but I also feel bad for those that endure it with medical professionals that are too afraid to treat a persons pain because some idiots abused things like medications. Counseled on how uncomfortable it would be? The pain was so severe I woke from sedation on the table in the OR holding my back asking what he hit me with. It felt like I was hit with a baseball bat. Yeah if he had told me that would happen I’d of never done it. He tried to get 3 specialists over 3 hours away to do it again but based on what happened they refused seeing me and I’m glad they did. I’d never subject myself to that again. I’d say medical professionals don’t always fully know what they are doing. Tried a spinal cord stimulator too and that was no help and felt like I had fish hooks in my back. Was so glad after a week to get that yanked out. Done being a guinea pig but what’s sad is most ortho docs think steroid shots fix everything. I went to a well known neurosurgeon in my area and he gave me the best advice. “I could fuse your spine but in time it would cause issues with other vertebrae and we’d be fusing more until you have no flexibility. I’d just manage it versus surgical” best advice ever even though my life is still always affected by it. Sorry to write so much, it clearly is one of those subjects... Good day to you. I did have a shot of what was supposed to morphine in the spine at one point when they considered an intrathecal pump but to my recollection it wasn’t helpful. Perhaps improper placement? Who knows.
SO BAD DOCTORS WHO TALK ABD THINGS ABOUT OTHER DOCTORS SPECIALLY IF THEY MENTION NOT A SINGLE DR BUT THE SPECIALITY OF PAIN MEDICINE , THE SAME YOU CAN SAY ABOUT GOING TO YOU OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE A SURGEON AND YOU ARE WILLING MAYBE TO DO SURGERY,.
So what is the best medication to be used if being injected into the cervical spine?
What is being treated?
I was recently dismissed from my pain management’s office for refusing to do any ESIs. He said he could not prescribe me any pain meds if I didn’t do one. The only reason I chose that dr was because I have already had a major surgery to decompress six tarlov cysts and his website states he has many non-invasive treatments. I also have EDS so an ESI has much higher risks.
I also have multiple tarlov cysts on both sides of my sacrum that show on my MRI film and the report and no doctor will address that. When I ask about them every doctor said they're not causing any pain and I'd say well I looked online and it says they can be symptomatic and I have many of the symptoms. They still ignore all my tarlov cysts . I've had so many epidural spinal injections, I believe the tarlov cysts were caused by failed injections. I think the solution went into my spinal cord and had nowhere else to go but forming a cyst out the end of my spinal cord ..
Did you get any relief from having them decompressed ? They're filled with nerve endings and spinal fluid so there's only a few surgeon's in the country that will perform surgery on tarlov cysts. I'm curious of your results ...
@@kimberlymarie3651 My experience is that tarlov's cysts can be very painful and often respond to epidural steroid injections, among other things. The reason I know they were the problem is that the patient otherwise had a normal MRI. I hope you find relief soon! -Dr. Pell
Spinal fusion are the cure for this 😊
Everybody is different. I suffered 2 years before doing this at a University Teaching Hospital by a surgeon that was reputable and celebrity/athletes go to him. Was the best decision I made. I got excellent outcome and can walk, stand up straight, navigate stairs and can sit in the car without excruciating pain.
When was it done for you?
You realize any benefit you get is temporary. I am sure the doctor told you it would wear off soon.
Many people dont know the risks
@DeukSpineInstitute surgery is temporary too. Don't act like surgery is a cure! There's a time limit on everything, and everything is temporary. Again, more lies being told by our neurosurgeon here.
@nicholastannous9197 And who are you? He's a reputable spine doctor exposing those who don't care. It sounds like you are the one he's talking about, right?
I wouldn't even have the epidural during childbirth. I'm a partial paraplegic. I couldn't fathom having a needle stuck in my back and then being even temporarily paralyzed.
I was always told that epidural can't cause paralysis. I'm on a spinal cord injury support group and know 2 people who have been paralyzed by epidural, one during childbirth and the other was getting epidural for pain management
Did they get pralysed immediately or gradually after the delivery? I got epidural anasthesia in my vaginal delivery and m suffering from back neck pain since two days.
Excellent excellent IMPORTANT information , thank you dr.
This is scary as shit! I’ve gone to a pain Mgt dr that REQUIRED I have a steroid shot, EVEN IF I DIDN’T NEED IT- - - otherwise he would NOT REFILL MY PAIN MEDICATION PRESCRIPTION! He wanted the big bucks from Social Security for doing a 3 minute injection!! I found a different pain Mgt doctor!
Exactly. A corrupt and sordid affair.
I’m in the same boat. I’ve been getting several caudal epidural injections a year with current pain Dr. for years. 1 1/2 years ago I was diagnosed with CLL-a form of leukemia, and I since then I said no to further epidurals. Ironically, once I was diagnosed-the Dr’s comment was, “No surgeon will touch you now”. It’s all about procedures. I asked for an updated MRI last August and of course Medicare denied, the PA ( haven’t seen the actual Dr. In over a year) refused to appeal, said there was no purpose if I wasn’t getting a procedure. Now he brought in a third party to conduct some sort of viascan 3d scan to check our hearts. When I wanted to opt out I was told by nurse it was mandatory as part of my care plan. Meanwhile, I’m suffering, can barely walk and they don’t care. Meds are held hostage. My primary just got MRI approved and I’m going to start looking to move on.
@@atreasuredpast deuk spine institute can help you
Use our free mri review to get truthful answers about what’s wrong and how to fix it
@@atreasuredpast Try s chiropractor. That's helped my pain a lot .
I have had several epidurals in the past and it was a surgeon that performed the procedures. Following my last treatment, the surgeon told me that there was barely room to place the needle into the facet joint area. My pain has improved and I haven't needed further injections. But it was not my pain medicine doctor who performed this procedure it was a surgeon.
Thanks for sharing. Most ESIs are done by Interventional pain management doctors and a few spine surgeons perform. A better option is Deuk laser disc repair which cures pain so you don’t need to keep coming back
I begged for this epidural. They kept putting me off for conservative care. I can’t be in this pain anymore. I can’t wait to have this next week and get relief
Problem is
1. Epidurals dont work well and certainly dont last.
2. There is a permanent fix called DLDR
@@DeukSpineInstitute I’m going this route first before any surgery is required. A friend had been pain free from this for about a year and a half now. When I run out of options, I’ll go this roigte
Awesome. I hope it works well for you. Feel better❤@@BookMaven9
So how do you treat it?
Best is to fix the disc and no more pain.
Google Deuk Laser Disc Repair
I'm supposed to have a steroid spinal injection soon. This video has just helped me make the decision I had already been leaning towards. Thank you Dr.
Welcome sir
Did it have to do with a lawsuit?
Same my appointment was at 3pm today 😂😂
@@christopheravila648 Mine is next week, very scared but I'm in unbearable pain. Aren't you still in pain too?
Amazing information.
Getting a procedure in 2 hours for lumbar spinal stenosis hope it goes ok
Thank you! I watched this right after I left a pain treatment center. I did not go through with the procedure because I was afraid of getting something close to my spinal cord caused by paralyzation.
Welcome
I almost died from epidural ,doctor performing procedure and I was telling him,something is wrong,my heart chest were intensifying in pain,heart rate increased, blood pressure elevated. Finally I said stop something is wrong now. Finally I had to be emergency sent to ER and dam doctor told my family he didn't know what happen. He lied..But he wanted me in ER so another doctor's care.
I should of reported him. I survived only by care of ER and me getting aggressive.
So be careful. God bless
Thanks for sharing your story
I am afraid off all these crooks. Ain’t playing that with my spine
agreed
LoL. That's the truth.
Thank you so much for this video. You were very honest
Thank you for your appreciation.
You just saved me from trying injections for the 5th time ! I know I need decompression surgery not the bs treatment pain Dr's trying to feed me . Thanks doc !
Welcome
They said try it first the surgery leaves people worse
@@magicalindigoadult3838 did you read my comment? 4 facet joint injections and 4 epidurals = no relief. I’m already worse! Surgery is the next option.
Spine fusions are the cure for it all 😊
Those injections make the Dr's LOTS of money. Thats why they do them. The give ZERO pain relief except for placebo effect and they were $1500 a shot back in 2010
I knew a woman who had minir neck surgery she was paralyzed till she died a little over a year after coming down with covid ! It was a horrific way to spend her last year ! Her husband died of greaf a few years later so sad i have never really spoken of it because it is just so awful
thank you for sharing
Lord... I'm scheduled for this Monday‼️ I have a pinched nerve and bulging disc... this pain is too much
Look into deuk laser disc repair. Safer and better results
Mine too. The pain is unrelenting. My injections happen in a couple weeks.
They need to find a pain med thats not addicting. They line people up at pain management like cattle and want to charge the insurance large amounts of money. I had these in the back of my neck every 6 months. The swelling was so bad and they wore off after a few weeks. This is so ridiculous.
Thanks so much. Was thinking about it but I ll keep my osteopath and painkillers
Thank you. Will opt to heal naturally without steroid injection.
I'm going to not get any injections, I'll live with a little pain.
Deuk Laser Disc Repair is a curative procedure. That is currently the best treatment for herniated disc pain and pinched nerves
An MRI showed I developed syringohmyelia in result from trauma. My pain doctor insisted I get cervical epidural injections, and that there were no serious risks involved. He also said I would be fully sedated during the procedure. So many red flags. I'm glad I opted out.
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Me too!
Wow, thank you for this information.
What this doctor is describing is malpractice, not problems with the procedure of cervical epidural injections. Which btw helps thousands of people every year.
Correct. While this specific case was negligence, to say ESI's help millions is a farce. There is no proof these even work, the benefits are temporary at best. They are NOT FDA approved and are used off label for a reason. On top of that, there's a black label warning on all of these steroid bottles saying "not for epidural use"
I had one (ESI) and now have Adhesive Arachnoiditis. Proving it was a nightmare because I disrupted the doctor bro code. It's disgusting how they market these as safe, when they are anything but
Exactly. I have a brilliant consultant via the pain team here in England. I have been seeing them for 2.5 years. Never any damage. They not only look at all my previous xray slides saved from every procedure before, but they have a C arm (xray) live in the procedure, they go very slow, they use decent stuff and they use dyes to check position before they inject the steroids and local in.
This is malpractice regardless of why, the procedure isn't a scam. The procedure means I can walk and don't spend my life in a wheelchair. So I would say just make sure you have GOOD consultants and make sure you look into their history, also discuss your options with them and make sure they are being thorough.
Absolutely correct myself included
It paralyzed my right leg for 30 hours. I will never get another injection in my spine. The FDA has never approved cortisone injections in the spine because it's to dangerous! But doctors have been doing it for decades. Oh and the cortisone speeds up bone loss , to keep you as a life long patient.
But there is a risk. It doesn't matter if it's been fine for you, doesn't mean you're not at risk. It can happen to ANYONE
It seems like some people succeed with epidurals and others don't. My mom had 3 successful ones in her neck, and it brought huge pain relief to her. Unfortunately, there are cases like described here too that don't go well.
Glad to hear your mother got better.
Thank you Dr for explaining this procedure! I’m scheduled for Thursday and I’m canceling it! You explained what could happen and the drug you named, they said that’s what they would be using!!! I’m scared to death thinking of what could’ve happened to me!! I’m going to schedule with another doctor who truly knows what to do! It might be 3 counties from me but I’d rather be safe than sorry! Again thank you so much!!!🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Welcome. People need to know about the good but also the bad. Good luck
Obligatory Warning most gruesome inventions; Joint Replacements; knee, hip, shoulder, elbow, finger, ankle for the treatment muscle pain is medieval torture creating a cannibalizing interspecies food chain by orthopedic surgeons.
Obligatory Warning most gruesome inventions ; spinal fusions cervical and lower back for the treatment of muscle pain is medieval torture creating a cannibalizing interspecies food chain by neurosurgeons.
Thank you!
welcome
I am scheduled for a spinal steroid shot this Saturday. I have a herniated disk on my l4-l5. I’m in a lot of pain all the time, which is why I was excited about this treatment. After watching this I am now so scared and wondering if I should cancel my procedure☹️
Please don't do it!
I did and I feel great! I had it done 5 years ago.
I have the same issues. Compressed/herniated disk L3-L5-S1. Spinal Lumbar stenosis as well. I've had about 22 lumbar back decompressions and adjustments over the passed 2 months. Not doing it. Helps a little. Going in for spinal steroid injection tomorrow too.
In my research, I've heard good and bad when it comes to this procedure. But, the pain management center that I'm going to, the Dr there, has so many 5 star reviews. I'm talking 50 plus. That's given me the confidence to go with it. My chiropractor recommended this guy. His office is 30 miles away from my home, but I'm going anyway. Also, this is just the first step. Sometime after this, I may go back in, for the Radiofrequency ablation. This procedure will provide anywhere from 8 months to 2 years or more, of pain free.🤔
@@anthonyshaw8698 results?
Results?
wow, well said. i had an epi and had to pay 1200 out of pocket. the pain did not get better. at the end i just had micro discectomy and am all better now.
I’ve had several procedures for which the physician asked if I wanted an epidural because I could go home shortly after the procedure. I demanded general anaesthetic to their surprise. I had heard of the medical misadventures described here. I made it VERY clear: no general, consent withdrawn for the procedure requiring anaesthesia.
Knowledge is power
Epidural anesthesia for a surgery is very different than what this video discusses.
@@GasdocOK I have heard of poorly placed needles damaging the spinal cord itself, rather than simply instilling the anaesthetic agent into the liquid that bathes the cord, with no cord contact by the needle. I might reconsider were fluoroscopic guidance available.
@@yogiperogy Of course there are some bad outcomes. The risk of a major complication from an epidural injection is around 1 in 80,000 to 1 in 100,000. Given the number of epidural anesthetics and injections done every year, yes, they do happen. I have personally done over 5000 epidural injections without a major complication, but I'm not arrogant enough to think that it can never happen to me. sometimes, though, it is the best option for the patient, either for surgical anesthesia or for pain management. That is certainly a discussion to have with your own doctor and not with some guy on the internet!
Thank you for that information, my doctor wanted to do this, and I am not doing it, not worth the risk
Welcome.
Thank you Dr, thank you thank you!!!!!!
Welcome
My surgery 5 levels ! I feel Amaesing! Only 5 months out! I’m recommending his surgeries to everyone!
Wonderful to hear how you are doing so well.
Wow great info- last one for me ! Thanks
Thank you. Most of the ESIs done are done without issue but there have been some very bad complications
I’ve seen plenty of greedy spinal surgeons (ortho and neurosurgeons) make horrendous management decisions too that left patients with life altering injuries.
Totally agree
I got mine today and it’s working !
Had three injections and was told it's extremely safe. After the third shot and the stroke it caused I don't trust anything a doctor tells me.
Thanks for sharing
I just found out that spinal epidurals are not approved by the FDA because it's to dangerous, but doctors have been doing it for decades. I've also found out that the medicine they use speeds up bone loss and I not only did not get any relief from the epidurals I now have severe osteoporosis of my bones. Seems those epidurals keep you a life long patient..
@@kimberlymarie3651 they don’t fix anything
I am very sorry this happened to you. As an interventional pain community we need to be very careful of our dye spread prior to injecting steroid medications, but even with the highest degree of caution, complications can always occur. I hope that you have recovered fully from this.
@@aradeukmedjian5957 The last epidural that was suppose to help my pain paralyzed my right leg for 30 hours and I was in severe pain.. I lost all skin sensation and I couldn't feel or use my leg and foot. I couldn't even wiggle my toes. The doctor kept telling me my feeling would come back in an hour over and over. He had to admit me to the hospital and I was terrified the paralysis was going to be permanent. Thank God at around 30 hours I got my feeling back in my leg and it's back to normal , thank God , but I was still in extreme pain . So, my primary doctor ordered a MRI and I now have numerous medium - large tarlov cysts on both sides of sacrum area that weren't there before. The cysts are filled with my nerve endings and spinal fluid ! The epidural needle and medicine accidentally went into my spinal cord and there wasn't room for the meds , so it blew out at the end of my spinal cord and formed all the cyst's in my sacrum area. The cysts have my nerves endings inside them with spinal fluid. The size can increase depending on what activity I'm doing that would cause my spinal fluid pressure to change. Heavy physical activity, flying in an airplane , storms; bariatric pressure changes during storms , so could my spinal fluid pressure etc .. Changes in spinal fluid pressure causes even more pain because there's more pressure on the nerves inside the cysts. Only 2 surgeons in the country will do surgery on them for obvious reasons; you don't want to drain your spinal fluid and nerve endings are inside. One time I got up during the night to get a drink of water and I was in severe pain; next , I found myself at the end of my bed on the floor ! The pain was so severe I fainted from the pain !. That's only happened once , thank god. Anyways, When all the large tarlov cysts showed up on my new MRI right after my botched low lumbar spinal epidural to help my pain all my doctors ignore the cysts and never mentioned them. Then when I ask about them they tell me their incidental findings and they don't cause any pain and I was born with them . But, when I Google to find information , they do cause damage and lots of pain and I have most all the terrible symptoms. I've have other things going on with my back degenerative disc and facet disease , compression vertebrae fractures , bulging and herniated discs, bilateral stenosis , arthritis , my body has fused together my L5-S1 in a bad position and now severe osteoporosis and Tarlov cysts. .It's been a struggle and a nightmare experience and has opened my eyes concerning doctors. I have very little faith left for doctors . Not just doctors , but our whole healthcare system (USA) So, beware of spinal epidurals there's very serious/dangerous consequences .
Focus on fixing the issue (surgery ) while you still can , because the epidurals speeds up bone loss and then they can't do surgery and you're then a lifetime pain patient.
It's all about the money. Doctors make a lot more money giving epidurals , physical therapy , burning and destroying the nerve , implanting a spinal cord stimulator....etc. They don't make money prescribing cheap pain meds that work . So, they're pushing/forcing the other options that make them a lot more money. That's what their "War on Drugs" is all about.
Sorry this is so long , please beware of spinal epidurals , there dangerous and have severe consequences .
Thank you for the video. PLEASE HELP ME!
I've been dealing with sciatic pain for over four years now. It started basically around the time of the pandemic. Because I couldn't get proper treatment at the time, it kind of stayed with me and got worse. Now the recovery is very slow. I've tried everything except injection and surgery.
The doctors say that it's a very mild case of disc slippage on my L5 and L4, and there is no way they're going to do surgery on me. I've tried acupuncture, physical therapy, medications, chiropractic lots of other things for YEARS, and everything works except only temporarily. The best thing that has worked for me has been progressive exercises. But the problem is the recovery phase is very slow.
For example, I've been doing them non-stop for the past six months, and while I have seen improvements, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna have these limitations for at least another six months or so. Limitations such as not being able to sit pain-free and not being able to sit for more than, let's say, 20 minutes at all. If I sit longer, then I'm gonna have to pay for it, and this is affecting my relationship. At this point I don't remember how being normal feels like any more. when the doctors see my MRI they treat me as if I'm normal and nothing is wrong with me and they don't take me seriously. one of the most even put me on antidepressant drugs saying that it might be mental but that didn't help either.
Do you think if I take an injection now it would help? Or what else do you suggest?
Look into Deuk laser disc repair procedure. It works best
This made me rethink the injections im suppose to get soon. I have degenerative arthritis and retrolistesis in l3 and 4. Ive tried pt. It triggers my other problems.
look into permanent fixes like deuk laser disc repair
I have been having this done for years every 6 months. It helped at first now it doesn't work. Dr Koshi
I got tricked and lied to, the pain management dr saying they were required by insurance to make sure they were treating the right place every 3 years and were only giving me ladocaine because I told them I had had no help from thoracic steroid injections, went for the shots and the work order said transforaminal epidural steroid injection, very hesitant, I went ahead and had it done feeling hopeless hoping to stop some of this severe cronic pain I have had for 20 years and have had lightheadedness, more pain and spazms most of the time, inflamation and stroke like symptoms but maybe a 10% reduction of pain for a 1 hour a couple times a day. I just wanted to document this in case I have a stroke or die before I see my PCP dr.
Sorry to hear this. So many pain management doctors lie to their patients. Deuk Spine Institute doesn’t lie.
@@aradeukmedjian5957 So true and put profit over their patients. This is a life and death issue.
i got drop foot following facet joint injection
I'm supposed to get an epidural injection for herniated disc...now I'm scared to get this.
Don't listen to dodgy youtube experts that are out to scare you for personal profit! There are plenty of legitimate sources on the internet to research.
I got it done and I’m fine so far
Dont
I wish you was my doctor new subscriber I don't know what to do thank you for letting us be aware God bless you❤
There is a reason it’s not FDA approved! Well said sir!
Thank you
Obligatory Warning most gruesome inventions; Joint Replacements; knee, hip, shoulder, elbow, finger, ankle for the treatment muscle pain is medieval torture creating a cannibalizing interspecies food chain by orthopedic surgeons.
Obligatory Warning most gruesome inventions ; spinal fusions cervical and lower back for the treatment of muscle pain is medieval torture creating a cannibalizing interspecies food chain by neurosurgeons.
And you actually trust the FDA? "FRAUD AND DECEPTION ASSOCIATION"
My pain doctor did not tell me it was not FDA approved and had he done that I would NOT have that it done....I am in more pain than before it was done !!
YOU ARE THE GREATEST
You are very kind. I try to help people.
How should we know if the clinic or doctor are reputable? The only thing we know was they're all referrals from our CPC.
Deuk Spine Institute always does what is best for the patient.
mri.deukspine.com
@@DeukSpineInstitute Riiiiiight!
Valuable information. I'm about to see a pain management doctor to make my doctor happy.
pick a good one
This was so helpful. Thank you for the information.
welcome
Please comment on how risky getting the discseel procedure is. I had a disectomy on my l4-l5 hernia that was blocking a lot of my spinal fluid. I got some relief but not enough to live a normal life. Discseel looks like the only thing that can help by inflating the disc. Now I'm a bit worried that they might injure me doing this procedure.
I think this is a bit misleading. Surgery has it's own huge set of risks and the severity of the symptoms matters as well. To my mind it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to do surgery on a patient with mild symptoms when a properly administered injection might be effective. However, injections obviously need to be administered by a practitioner with the knowledge and skill to do it properly, with the correct medicine. Point is, sometimes surgery is the right treatment and sometimes it's not. The best policy is to get a 2nd and even a 3rd opinion before going forward with ANY treatment.
Your thought process was correct for surgery many years ago but new surgery technology like Deuk Laser Disc Repair and Deuk Plasma Rhizotomy cure 92% of the causes of back pain. There is no need anymore for injections like epidural steroid injection which never provides permanent pain relief.
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@@DeukSpineInstitute you did not reply to the poster saying that you charged $26K for his surgery and did not or relieved anything, that left without a reply is an admission of guilty in my opinion
@@RCREVIEWS101 So you want a medical clinic to publicly discuss a specific patients medical care? Really?, no really? Go educate yourself on HIPPA laws. Then come back here and apologize for your lack of insight...
@@aradeukmedjian5957 no apologies to you, and your bitter attitude is a shame, shows no skills dealing with people. A real good Dr. does not have time for UA-cam just for a starter. No one expect you to discuss specific medical care here, you understood well my question, don't go around. You could simply reply if the poster is legit or BS...we know now it is probably legit.
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You could’ve called him and discuss the matter between you and him by just a simple phone call rather than posting.
I had 1 done yesterday walked in pain was a 8. Walked out pain a 6. We are not all built the same and we all unfortunately have different reactions.
thanks
Thank you for bringing attention to this. I know of many many people who developed arachnoiditis after an ESI. It’s not worth the risk.
welcome
WOW that guy is not negligent its worse than that using the wrong med!
@@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307 agree
Can only develop arachnoiditis after ESI if it wasn’t injected into the epidural space.
Spinal fusion are the cure for this 😊
Dr which cortisone brand is more suitable for an epidural injections ?
I been use depo medrol for many many years in my spine lower back
Neck knee shoulder feet hand
Never had an issue as you said depending who does them I always choose
An older experience Dr to do them not any one
Recently I had a dexamethasone for the first time on nerve root L4
I experience hot flush problem sleeping head ache
I do not experienced those with depo medrol
I been advice from the some clinic to use dexamethasone for epidural what you advice ? Thnks
Dexamethasone is the correct steroid to use and your flushing was a side effect of the steroid. Depomedrol is less safe and maybe they were putting a lower dose before so less side effects.
@@aradeukmedjian5957 40mg depo medrol used in the pass I still preferred this brand I had a lot on my lower back facet joints suggested by a professor orthopaedic to use depo only
Worked quick on the inflammations
Just last week I went for another on my lower back and this radiologist want to use dexamethasone on nerve root L4 I never had this brand before
But they said is more suitable for epidural injections the difference with both is that depo is cloud and Dexa is clear liquid
I really appreciate you for this video doc! However unfortunately I’m watching this too late . About 2 Months ago I got a Cervical Epidural Steroid Injection. Keep in mind , I never had pain , rather so , just stiffness & tightness. My doctor encouraged for me to do this & me not knowing enough I went along sadly. Following this procedure , my body feels like a robot . I have high levels of anxiety & rapid heart rate. My neck and back , and scalp became as stiff as a vegetable . I don’t even feel human at this point after this… I’m in severe depression & discomfort. What should I do? I’m hopeless
Look into hape and sanaga it can help you
Was he paralysed forever ? Or temporary ?
permanently
How do I find out if my spine/pain doc is a quack? Cause now I'm hesitant about having the injection.
most are. Difficult to tell. You want to know their results
Dr im desperately waiting for surgery. My doctor is not making the right diagnosis. I need hel i waited 8 years . Plus i got hurt at job everyday for many years acumulated pain . What can i do . I feel that im not worted to be alive . Owing money borrowing money to pay car ins dmv gas . My pet food . And deal with pain evey second of each minute. I need an advice. Im in california santa barbara. S O S.
Deuk Spine Institute can help you. Ask your work comp adjuster to send you here for help
As an anesthesiologist, this was painful to watch.
Thank you Doctor, convinced me not to go ahead with Strroid on back of my neck. God Bless. 😮
Welcome. Always ask about risks to treatment
Sheesh this is frightening! I have a herniated disc with nerve pain and my doctor referred me to get an epidural. So i just started watching a few vids to get a better understanding of what happens and WOW...Im kinda scared now.
Not all the cases are unsuccessful, don't think it will be u ... I had 8yrs ago, helped me for a while...
I have a injury attorney and was told from my mri I have a herniated disc’s
L4 and L5 and now spinal stenosis what would be a safer and better way to have this looked at or done. I am a diabetic also. And I am beyond worried and a bit scared to have a spinal injection done.
I've had about 8 epidurals and did nothing because they didn't do them in the place i was having pain. Si joints are my pain source and they kept doing it in my discs and the mri shows nothing wrong with them. So waste of money, time and the pain involved in getting them. Luckily they didn't make me worse. Chiropractor helped more than doctors did.
Me too. I've gotten more pain relief from my chiropractor ..
I'm being told the only treatment by doctors are injections in my spine and I have a phobia of something being injected into my spine and told them NO. I can Not and will Not let them put a needle in my back so what happened? I was dropped! I've been suffering from 3 places on my spine cutting into the nerves making doing even the littlest things unbearable! I can't lean over my plate to eat without have pain so bad I break into tears .... from just eating! I can't take care of my cats, I had to stop driving for a job and I've had to give up so much of my life to the pain is hurts my Soul! I can't do my art or play a video game because the pain is so bad! I've been getting by with meds my gf can give me but they're not enough and only dull the pain. What is my option when I suffer but can't get a doctor to help with anything but "costly" injections?
Ive gotten a lot of pain relief from going to a chiropractor. It helped more than any injection I've ever got no relief from and I won't get another one. Try a chiropractor, it helps the pain alot. Maybe your spine is misaligned and just needs to be adjusted. Try one , you won't regret it.
Sounds like a radiofrequency ablation could drastically help you, but being that you don't want a needle in your back, it's not possible. I was in pain for a long time. I woke up from the procedure pain free. It's minimally invasive, no cuts, and they don't stick the needle in your spine. They stick it in the nerves along the spine. That said, I'm just assuming based off your listed symptoms. You may or may not be a candidate for the procedure, but it can be a life saver.... Gave me my life back.
@@JCJ34 radio ablation is still putting a needle in your spine. The FDA has never approved spinal epidurals in the spine because it's too dangerous yet doctors have been doing it for decades and the medicine injected speeds up bone loss and causes cartilage loss making the person a life long patient. The last one I got paralyzed my right leg and foot for 30 hours and had to be admitted to the hospital. Thank God it wasn't permanent, but others aren't so lucky. Why kill a nerve to block a pain signal to your brain ? All that does is you won't feel the pain while the pinched nerve continues to get damaged more until you start to lose important functions like bladder and bowl control , weakness in legs and paralysis if your nerve is in your lower back. But if the pinched nerve is higher up it will affect other functions .
I've had about 10 spinal epidurals years ago and I now have severe osteoporosis and bones are to soft I can't have a fusion to correct my pinched nerves . A screw won't hold in a soft vertebra bone. I get compression vertebrae fractures from doing nothing because my bones are soft from all the spinal epidurals I've had. I will never get another needle in my back . I explained to my doctor I had my leg paralyzed for 30 hours from my last epidural and I won't get another one and the doctor still was pushing me to get another one by saying he'll send me to a good doctor !!! ummm no that's how I found the doctor that paralyzed my right leg for 30 hours.. I won't be bullied into getting another epidural.
So, everyone having pinched nerves ; don't put off surgery to correct the problem. Have surgery to correct the pinched nerve while you still can because your bones are still strong !! If you put it off surgery with multiple spinal epidurals it will give that toxic medication time to destroy your cartilage and bones. Focus on correcting the pinched nerve , not cutting off the pain signal to your brain because the nerve continues to be damaged more ..
My back pain experience has made me lose faith in doctors and the whole healthcare industry.
The doctors are taking pain meds away from people who legitimately need it. It's all about the money. Doctors don't make money prescribing cheap pain meds , so they're taking pain meds away and pushing expensive procedures like spinal epidurals that damage your back making you a lifetime patient.
Focus on correcting the pinched nerve , not destroy the nerve that sends pain signal. Pretty sure that nerve does more than just send a pain signal ?!
I compare the doctors approach to back pain to being like this...
If you're driving down the road and your "CHECK ENGINE SOON" warning light comes on in your car and you pull over and open the hood and pull out the wire to make the "Check Engine Soon" warning light to go out and you continue to keep driving the car !! Just ignoring the warning sign , but you know the damage is still there and the car is going to breakdown.
Don't put off surgery to correct the pinched nerve. Correct it while you still can . Epidurals never helped my pain; they've only done damage
@@kimberlymarie3651 ... The ablation is not in your spine, it's beside it. While I agree that it's not correcting the issue, my issue isn't one that can suddenly get worse without some traumatic event so it works for me. I feel no pain, get regular check-ups to keep an eye on things, and can now move and lift things without issue. For me, it's a win win. I'm not familiar with the spinal epidural, so I'll take your word for it. I go to the Spine Institute where they only focus on spinal issues, and my doctor does not want to cut on anyone unless it's a last resort, which I agree with. There are risks with any procedure, but my cousin has debilitating issues caused by back and neck surgeries. I'll go under the knife if I need to, but it isn't my first choice of things to try.
@@JCJ34my doctor has done RFA's on me. They've been a game changer when it comes to the amount of occipital headaches I have! If you aren't an appropriate candidate for, or aren't to the level where they feel surgical intervention is needed yet (when the nerve pain outweighs the damage), this can make so much difference! I just don't think that some people realize what an RFA entails. I've had people ask me how I'm able to feel anything if they "burn all of your nerves"
I have to get an epidural shot. The receptionist called today and said MRI that was scheduled for tomorrow would be cancelled due to insurance, because I already had one earlier this year in like Feb, so the receptionist said the doctor would use that MRI instead to see where she would do the injection. But I'm a little hesitant with that, because I'm in more pain now then I was when that MRI was taken and it's mainly at my bra line (midback) and lower right side at the top of my butt, and the top of my neck, and I keep severe headaches almost like migraines or tension headaches. I've also been diagnosed with scoliosis. Any advice from anyone it will be much appreciated?
I had 2 epidurals done in 2011 I believe it was. During the second time the man doing it kept saying "it's tight, it's too tight" & I had to try Bend forward even more. Neither of those helped me & in 2016 2 pain management drs wanted to do it again. I have scoliosis, stenosis DDD, bulging discs & arthritis in my spine. Pain management also won't help with easing pain unless you do those injections. I had went to surgeons in 2012 who told me all they could do was keep my pain comfortable with meds but were too busy to be the dr for that.
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deuk spine institute can help you out of pain.
@@aradeukmedjian5957 Thank you . Even if the pain was eased I'd be satisfied. I will look them up.
I have had three top neurosurgeons tell me that they would not operate for my spinal stenosis and instead recommended a spinal cord implant, which I have hesitated doing. Comment?
Your stenosis, back pain and leg symptoms from stenosis can be cured with deuk laser disc repair. The SCS implants dont work well and stop working soon after implantation in many cases. google deuk laser disc repair.