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Garden Railroad Drainage System - Our Elevated Outdoor Model Railroad Gets MUCH NEEDED Drainage
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- Опубліковано 27 лют 2023
- There has been a lot of flooding on the garden railroad! No harm done as it is quite waterproof... But we opted to add a system of drains to ensure it stays high and dry!
Karyn came up with a simple way to build drains from one-inch to three-quarter-inch PVC adaptors. Simple to modify and install, and totally water-proof and sealed to the roofing material covering the OSB roofing wood that makes up the base of the railroad.
As it's an elevated wood outdoor layout, care needs to be taken to keep everything from being damaged by rain and snow. So far the design it working out perfectly!
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That's the case for one of those plastic/ribber mallets instead of a regular hammer.
Well, as I said, any tool can be the right tool! In this particular case, the tool in my hand was a hammer and the tool that was in my other hand was a chunk of 2 x 4. I don’t have a rubber mallet, but I do have a hammer and a chunk of 2 x 4! I was considering hitting it with a pipe wrench because that would be typically more like what I would do. But as I say, the tool in my hand is usually the one that gets used. You’d be shocked what I’ve used screwdrivers for!
@@ToyManTelevision I agree with your sentiment, if you have a tool that works, use it...especially if you'd only use the better suited tool for a one off.
What I love about your channel is that despite an obvious wealth of experience in modelling you still find yourselves having new problems to solve. Every day is a school day!
Always!! But I’ve learned to smile and move on. It rarely works right the first time. So.. learn! And the learning is the best part..
A Tuesday morning Foist!
It's so nice of Tory to volunteer to create great grates for your Outdoor Railroad Drainage System. Another solution to another real world problem. Life is good.
The grates aren’t working. So I turned one into a 12” gauge mine turntable. But they break outside.
I'm sorry the grates aren't working. It looked like a good idea. I hope you find a solution soon before the weather does permanent damage.
You could put some screen material in the hole then put pebbels over it to hide it. It should look like a pile of rocks. Keep up the good work.
Similar plan in mind. Or that. But as we assume they will plug with leaves and debris keeping it open and in sight is a plus.
Dale, as a former plumber, I would have used a little caulk on the leading edge of each drain and then hammered in place. Because, trust me, those are NOT water tight no matter how tight you think they are. Wood will shrink and expand at a different rate than the plastic and roofing material. ...Claude
Have a plan for that… we shall see. Hopefully not sea. Anyway as it warms up using a heat seal. I hope. But as of now 100% dry.
: Outstanding innovation. If there's a will, there's a way. All Aboard.
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Gotta be a way to turn one of those drains in to a Road Runner & Coyote scene.
Are you getting fan mail now from some Flounder? Great solution LOL. And Yes Miss Karen, I too enjoy wandering the Hardware store for inspiration!. So many neat little things there.
Thanks!!!
Great vidio, This looks to me like a flower garden with stone edging if painted gray, dome of screen with orange flocking. Thanks for the coffee...
Hi!! Thanks again.
That was a great idea Karyn. Can't wait to see the grate covers they come up with. Stay dry and warm you two.
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Hello! I’ve seen them.. simple. Effective. Torrey wants to bring them over and install them himself. I get that!! Fun is fun!
I love your garden railway videos and it looks like your layout is coming along nicely. I really want to make myself a nice G scale railroad eventually…
Very good idea!!! I need to do that on my RR too. Thanks!
Yup!! Finding out lots of things about doing this… more coming
Puns galore LMAO Great vlog as usual. it was grate to see how you solved the problem of drainage. I see you were trouting your expertise in drain making . I guess the screw markers qualify for screwing around See I can pun also. You guys are just FUN always...................................
Hi bill!! And learning a lot about this… more soon.
Dear Dale and Karyn, great solution, was wondering and pondering about this though. As you mentioned in previous episodes, you put the ‘table’ level, which is of course appropriate for the trains. However, on a flat roof, and especially with bituminous products, it’s very easy to create these kinda puddles. Hence, I was immediately reminded of your episodes when you built the new construction and at that time was thinking, that a slight slant would definitely help, with such precipitation.
Anyhow, do realize that would irreversibly cause all kinds of other problems. For instance, how to get the track level.
Think these ‘potholes’ are a good enough alternative. Do humbly think though that it may pay off to connect a pipe or hose on each spout under the bench work. In that way you will be able to lead the water away from the construction. Also, when dry, it may be good to advise to shortly heat the bitumen around the spouts with a heat gun and melt the tar onto the spout. That might just be better than caulk, because it will only form a new barrier around the spouts.
Lastly, it might pay off to test the water which puddles on the layout. Bituminous roofing is known to give off sulfuric compounds, especially with a thin layer of of water. From my experience as a plumber and roofer, I would recommend you take time to do such a test, years ago I redid a flat roof which was definitely too level, and there was no chance, nor budget to change the slant of the roof, ever so slightly. For the spouts I used thick aluminum pipes with a TiG welded flange, on which the bitumen was mounted. After a year and a half the remaining water with the sulfuric compound on the roof had completely eaten away the aluminum. I eventually fixed it by adding a downspout at, you may have guessed, the lowest point of the puddle. Must say though that some bitumen with a cover of slate chippings will prevent this from happening, some will still give off those sulfuric compounds. And as long as the water is drained off properly, it won’t occur. In any case I would like to prevent your rails from becoming affected by this kind of occurrence, hence the slightly longer comment. Cheerio
Hi!! Thanks!! One goal was to keep the standing water off the rails. Never thought of that problem!!! But I can see oxidation and slime on the nickel rail. While nickel oxide is conductive the issue is not letting water stand against the rails. I have a noox product I’m going to apply as well. That will be a fun test. I love the heat gun idea… will do. The water falls onto the lawn and flowers below. Good sunlight down there as the layout is only 24” wide. So all good!! I am adding water lines to bring water up on the layout!!! Well… but just to water plants. The drainage system as well as the plants themselves having drainage should keep that under control. Come the spring!
Grate idea to rid your playing surface of running water. I was going to suggest painting the remaining sections of lip grey, like cobbles, but if you're getting grids made up that might be redundant. Even scale grids should have the added advantage of keeping leaves, etc out of the openings. Cheers
They will get a rusty silver color. I think. Or rusty black.. probably the black.
"Don't gripe about civil engineers when you've got water backed up over your rails." (rule for life)
If you really want to avoid rot underneath, I'd pull Karyn's adapters and reseat them with a light smear of caulk or waterproof adhesive. Since you live in a pretty arid place, may be not much of an issue. Since I am presently paying for an indoor mold remediation project, I'm a little bit attuned to the ravages of benign water escapes.
Graham Claytor(former President of Southern Railways, Secretary of the Navy and President of Amtrak), said the first thing he learned about railroads at Southern was drainage
A thought on grates, could you cover the grate with a pile of rocks? Just make it look like one of those random piles one sees on a railroad.
Getting the grates Saturday at the Ogden train show! As it warms up we will test ballast and rocks and such..
My first thought was to try a drywall anchor. I would drill a hole and fill it with silicone caulk and then drive home the anchor. It's a smaller version of your solution but maybe not as visible.
Anything out there gets plugged up. These have the advantage of being easy to clear and clean. We shall see. As long as we don’t sea.
Great idea with the sewer system for the railroad. Now if the grates look like the sewer covers, that might be cool. Hope all works out for you.
And they do!! Need to get Torry to come Instal them!
SUGGESTION: Instead of hammering the pipes down from the top, hammer them up from the bottom. To decorate the pipes, have your missus, who seems to be very creative, built a structure that looks like an old fashion well with the bottom of it about 1/8th inch, or less up off the table. It should work, or, try it, you might like it!
That would work! But the flange really holds the roofing in place whilst making a totally waterproof seal. Only problem, and it’s a big problem, is the lip also keeps the water from draining all the way down… but the grooves I carve solve that. As long as they don’t get full of dirt… so frequent checks… so far so good. I think we need two more…
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Thanks!!!
I didn’t think rain and water would be a problem on your garden railway. Don’t know why Winter makes us wait so long for a warm Sun. I also hope you replace the gear on your Eureka locomotive. At least soon get a running start with your Connie locomotives. Silverton Northern 34 looks great. But like Karyn I’m more into 19th Century steam locomotives. And we both have models of Eureka and Glenbrook. My Glenbrook model has yet to turn a wheel. No it’s not broken. I’ve just been in a relatively depressing mood. Just a few family issues. Still have fun with your garden railway.
That Glenbrook is an amazing model!!! Should be an easy conversion to DCC too. Yup.. need to get back to #4!
Given that you have a level surface I am skeptical that the water will drain toward these holes and the little slots in the pipe head. I predict it will generally just continue to puddle with only a small amount of relief. Even on flat roofs there is a pitch of about 2% minimum just like concrete walks, patios or sports courts are pitched to provide “positive” drainage. I hope it works for you. Please keep us posted with results over time.
So far working mostly well. Still puddles but not deep water. We are going to test the standing water but a roofer told us the bitumen in the roofing makes the water very acidic. And the fear is it will attack the rails and wires. The standing water isn’t a problem unless it gets so deep the tracks are totally covered and the water is running off the edge of the layout. So far the drains have knocked the depth down to shallow puddles.
So… If you don’t mind my solution…. I would have used a hole saw. One would have the dimension of the bottom of the fitting, say 1” and I would have drilled that all the way through. The second hole saw would have the dimension of the wider top, say 1-1/4” and with that I would have gone down only the depth of the rim of the fitting. That way it would have laid flush to the table much the way the drain in your sinks lay flush with the bottom of the sink. Then of course you could still put a cover over it with holes drilled into it so it looks like a man-hole cover. During heavy rainy days take that cover off for maximum drainage!
Hi! We wanted the flange to seat tightly to the roofing. In a few weeks as it warms up I’m going to use a heat gun and that should seal the flange to the roofing. I was thinking of something similar to your idea for plant pots… still thinking about that. It could go badly.
This is the time to put in some drain howls so the water will go down throw . Then put on some sreen so ballast don't go throw.
The drains are working great. Ballast may work over the grates. We will see soon.
Thanks
Hi Frank! Your welcome!
Loved the idea of a drain. How about instead of using grates, use rocks and such, they would look more natural. Or even some fome of abandoned equipment. Just an idea.
Thanks again for another great video!
Hi Robert. Thought of that.. and we will have ballast and other rocks and such.. we will mess with it when it warms up a little!
Great idea . looking forward to seeing more . Have a great week
Hi. More drainage coming. And the great grates.
I thought maybe you could make one of the drains into a wishing well... not sure how it would look but it would be fun
It’s a thought. Especially in the village.
Good solution! Painting them to match the roofing material might help too.🚂🚂🚂
Yup. Rusty brown black. Hint of silver? And sand and gravel.
Paint em with gray paint with black accents.
Yup!!! And rust
Interesting to see what Tory comes up with for grate covers on the drains. How do you make them so they don't clog too easily with leaf and other debris that will inevitably drop down on the railroad?
That’s a trick. But with the ridge on them, and them being in the open where we can see (sea?). The water and debris it should be okay as long as we inspect often.
I’m starting to watch this show just for the dad jokes.
To solve your problem with water on top of your Railway I solve that problem with my Railway which is 1 m off the ground and it is what they Marine ply cal which is waterproof but because I’ve done a lot of detailing on my trackwork I wanted to keep it all dry so I went down to my local hardware store which is Bunnings hardware like your Home Depot and bought some cheap Tarps about $10 each and I cut them and then Lay them over the top of my Railway when I know rain was coming and it’s solve that problem you could do the same problem with yours yours Jeff Melbourne Australia
G’day! I love to see the snow out there and even run when it perfect in the winter. Perhaps once or twice. But this winter we have been in working on projects. Tooo dang cold.
Other drain camo, Stump that sits up on thin legs underneath, a signal or light that sits up on thisn legs underneath, A plumber figure standing there, a Bigfoot Figure standing there, a late night big Walmart lady customer standing there.
I’m liking the literal grates. We shall see how it looks. But ballast over the top, or any fun things. Again. We will see. 😮
This is why I shuddered thinking about all of your beautiful work getting hit with the weather. Good fix for the standing water. Are you going to the Hostler train show?
Yup. Not sure when.. but yes!!
Couldn't you camouflage the drain holes with rock piles? thinking lava rock of the size used in BBQ Grills or if the spot is far enough from the rails, a building with a slightly raised floor or just set a vehicle over top of it?
Yup. Getting the grates Saturday at the Ogden train show. Then as it warms up we will try such things. Soon!!
You might not be water tight for long without some sort of sealant
what control system are you using
Digitrax.
Raise the rail bed?
Not at this point. This seems to work well!
Too low of voltage to be a problem. That is only my opinion. I do know a bit about electric.
Hi. The buss I’m using is 14 gauge and every section of rail has a feed from (or to) it. So I’ve never seen any voltage drop. If I run power through the rails and joiners the voltage drop is huge.
Ok mybe thats too much flocking around lol...
I hope that you didn’t find this boring or draining 😂😂
No matter whether it's ground level or or for standing up, drainage will be an issue on a garden railroad!🤔
It even is on full-size railroads! One thing about railroads, they tend to follow streams and rivers. And that means they cut those streams and rivers off from the side, streams and rivers. And therefore there’s always flooding on railroads! So, in that regard, we are no different!
Your right! A lot of railroads follow rivers and streams! The New York Central, best known as the "Water Level Route", follows a few waterways; best known is the Hudson River. The D&RGW is best example of following waterways: Arkansas River, Eagle River, Frazier River, Colorado River and Animus River!😎
Gotta be a way to turn one of those drains in to a Road Runner & Coyote scene.