Bend the supports in to the under rim diameter so that the supports tightly grip the sidewalls of the stove. Works great and have used mine for over two years with no problem.
I use mine the same way, with the small arms holding the stove and has been great. Only issue is it is very fiddly to simmer and not have the flame go out. I love the review effort and all the reviews Luke!!!
Yeah, it works really quite well when you bend the supports like that. As far as I understand that's how it's primarily designed to be used, so it's a little unfortunate to not have seen it tested in that configuration. Of course you still need a separate windscreen, but the price of the kit combined with the weight and the size of the stand is the killer feature here. I'm not aware of any similar kits within the same price/weight class that support kettles or 18cm diameter frying pans. The stand that I have is 37 grams by itself. Considering the entire kit cost me 14 USD including shipping and tax, I think that's good value for a stove, bag and a stand that elevates and supports larger pots and pans. Do also consider replacing the stove with something lighter. The aluminum stand is strong enough to protect a fragile lightweight alcohol stove nested inside. I've got it down to 67 grams total with a cheap Lixada lightweight (aluminum?) stove that otherwise would get crushed quickly. All that, nested inside a lightweight wide base pot for 275 grams, and with an added windshield for 401 grams total, which I find to be quite respectable.
I guess if you’re looking for a quality product, you get what you pay for! That being said, I regularly use one of these cheap alcohol stoves with no problem at all. As others have commented, you press the small tags in until they grip the body of the stove and then sit the small rim of your stove on top of the tags… perfectly stable !!
So Trangia style stoves need to be one inch below the pot for optimum heat. That is the sweet spot. Bend the tabs on the pot stand in so that the lip on the burner sits on top of the tabs. This should give you the right height. Also, it keeps the burner off the cold ground/stump/table. I always use a small circle of reflectix under alcohol burners in the cold. The bloom time and flame output is greatly affected by cold ground. Finally, ditch that wind screen and make a small one out of aluminum flashing that fits tighter around your pot...this will hold a lot more heat in and will help the burner and your pot stay hotter. This will easily cut that boil time in half.
I’m glad I read your post because I was seriously considering sending this thing back and getting 2 trans. We should’ve put you in office for four. 🙃🙃🙃
I have this stove and love it. Works for a fraction of the cost. Also can be configured where the Stanley 2 cup stainless pot sits secured inside. Absolutely recommend this for someone who's looking for a budget solution.
this stove works for me and works well. it fits in my ohhuhu wood stove that works great for blocking the wind. gets 16oz of water to a roiling boils in 6 mins, and fits in perfect the ohhuhu when packed down. the pot stand is complete trash. im happy with the stove its a nice budget friendly alternative for someone like me who doesnt have the expendable income like you do luke.
This was my first alcohol stove that I bought about 4 years ago. It worked okay once i pushed the tabs in to hold the stove below the rim. But I also graduated to the titanium Evernew set. This one was donated to the Boy Scouts.
Just what I was thinking: some adjustment required. That is what Bushcraft is all about. Those of us on a budget, who only get out once in a while, could use this stove and make it better.
I got one of these for free when I bought an Alocs 7-Piece kit. I threw out the burner and kept the simmer ring to use with my Trangia burner as the little flip-out handle makes it way easier to place it onto the burner without having to put your hands over the flame. As for that pot stand, this one is terrible, but the Alocs branded spirit burner stand is WAY less fiddly and nests perfectly within the plastic bowl inside the GSI Pinnacle Soloist pot kit. This allows me to have the pot, bowl, burner and stand inside the pot surrounded by a 3F-UL windscreen, leaving room for a collapsible silicone funnel for putting unused alcohol back into the fuel bottle as well as a small Bic lighter and towel to wipe the pot clean. I honestly think it's the most insanely efficient cooking kit pack-down I've ever seen, and to be honest, I almost feel I should make a video on it...
“Today the local Boy Scout troop lost fifteen members, sadly, and the Boy Scout camp was a total loss. Investigators believe the fire started with an alcohol stove that was donated by a good samaritan.”
Hi Luke, from Australia 🇦🇺, I have one of these stoves and I’m thinking of buying another. The thing is your using it wrong, sit the stove (the rim) on top of those flanges, not under like you have it set up. You may have to squeeze the flanges in a little close towards the centre, but I use my stove and it works really well. I bought it on eBay, I think it was around $20 Aussie money, the stove works great. 👍🏻
Oops, an all-too-common spelling error "...The thing is your using it wrong...", it should read you're or you are. When writing, that which follows your belongs to the person you are writing to.
Luke's problem is, the purchaser shouldn't have to modify a brand new product. I personally think that's a silly position. I personally modify nearly everything I buy so it'll work better for me. Bending those tabs in doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me. It's a one-time, 45 second fix.
Well, I appreciate your review. That being said I did buy one of those just not the redcamp version, mine is noname but identical. I have had a different experience in that the base does require a slight bending in of the small tabs and it secures the stove quite securely and also brings the level of the stove top closer to the pot bottom which makes a huge difference in function. I believe it only really has two options for the support one is as I described being held in the grip of the three small supports and definitely not going under them and the other as you showed on top. The other thing is that I would have started the timer after it had Bloomed. My final comment is I use Methal hydrate in my stove and never use alcohol, I find the Meths burn hotter and cleaner. Just my 2 cents I am happy with mine
Even just watching the video its clear to see that some slight bending of either the inner "tabs" or the outer "legs" can dramatically improve the fit and thus stability and usability of the stove. i think Luke is being deliberately obtuse - its like watching a SNL skit of O J Simpson deliberately fumbling with a pair of gloves to make it appear they can't possibly fit.
You my guy but I own 2 of them. No issues being fiddle when you learn to press the 3 tabs and use the 2 groove lines molded into the side of the stove. Keep up the good work my friend. 👍🏾👍🏾
Amazing stove, not sure why you against it so much and slay it like it's the worst thing you've ever seen... It does the job and I'm using it for years and never had any issues with it, it never felt, never slided or whatever and it's super stable you just need to know how to set it up. I've used other stoved before, and this one is the best.
Doesn't the wind completely kills performance? I took this out a couple of times and even the slightest breeze makes it unusable. One can use a windscreen, but at that point, a cross stand or even a supercat stove will do the job.
Hi Luke. I've had that stove for a couple of years. Works great for me. I sit it on top of the flanges which gets it closer to the pot. I also use a wind screen. I also took a piece of heavy wire and bent it into a V shape to lay across the top to accommodate a cup or different size pots. For the light stuff I use it for I love it. God Bless my friend.
You have to turn that stand around and push these 3 little tags a bit to the inside so the stove hangs in there and dont touch the ground. Then it works great as windshield and is doing way better. works for me at elast for the last few years.
I was gifted one of these. There are two problems with it: the vapor jets all need to be the same size and you have to bend the small tabs on the stand in a bit for the stove to sit in the stand properly. It's a fine stove, especially for $16. Took less than 5 minutes with a pin vise and a 1.5mm bit to fix the vent holes, and like 8 seconds to bend the tabs correctly. You could use a 1/16" bit and a cordless drill and be done in 30 seconds but I prefer 1.5mm holes and my drill Chuck doesn't hold short bits well. It now boils 16oz of water in exactly the same amount of time as my Trangia small burner. Within 3-5 seconds either way depending on wind, which is always a variable. For less than 5 minutes of elbow grease I now have something that performs as well as my Trangia, cost ~$10 less, holds more fuel and came with a functional stand (which the Trangia did not include any stand). My only complaint is that the cover on the simmer ring is slightly stiff on the Redcamp, but then the Trangia doesn't have the little binder clip handle from the manufacturer so... Opinions vary 🤷🏻♂️
Omg brother I bought this exact same stove combo and I just thought all alcohol stoves were garbage after using it. I never ever took it into the mountains choosing mini gas instead which you can't beat in my opinion. Another great vid cheers
Dude I used to Love your reviews but you've completed missed this one the tabs move very easily in and out plus it only costs £8 in the UK, so it's cheap and cheerful 😂
sitting the stove on bare rock is obviously going to effect the performance. if you must compare stoves do it in a fair manner. I do sometimes wonder what you're thinking of.
IV got one of those, and it looks like the little supports on the stand on yours have been bent outwards so that it doesn't support the stove very well. Mine is really snug and fits perfect. Good thorough review though mate 👌
I just unbent the three little tabs on the stand and then pushed them slightly toward the center, curving the ends slightly. That holds the stove much higher at the stove's lip. The stove itself performs very much like the Trangia.
I don't know what is wrong with yours. Mine is not fiddly at all. When I put mine in the upper level it will not fall through and is well centered. I actually never use it in the lower configuration. Not really sure why you'ld want to. The simmer feature is nice but has the same issue as my trangia in that it is a bid of a chore to get it to a low simmer without it going out completely. I have a small piece of carbon felt that I pack with it to keep it from rattleing and to use a wind break when necessary. Just my thoughts.
I have this stove as well. I've used it extensively with no issues. It boils my canteen cup of water for my coffee and it heats my food. Maybe other stoves will do it quicker, but I'm not gonna chirp over an extra minute or two. I've fried fish over it, I've heated Dinty Moore beef stew, made ramen, made coffee, tea, soup, cooked hot dogs. For me, it's a tossup between this and an Esbit stove.
Had mine for a couple years now and I like it. And I like the pot stand. I use it with method 2 and 4….but I bent the small supports in a little to hold it snug. Also with method 4….my 750ml fits perfect. Guess it just depends on what you have. Ps…. The summer thing is kinda worthless on it though. It always goes out on me.
My first alcohol (methylated spirit) stove came from Woolworths, 58 years ago. I cooked on it for a week, 3 meals a day and lots of cups of tea. Used less than a pint of meths. The trick is to know how long a set amount of fuel burns for, you really need to have only a couple of minutes of burn time left when your stew is hot.
Overall, an accurate review. My boil times are close to the same. As you said, if it's your first alcohol stove you might not mind. I don't mind haha! That said, I appreciate getting some perspective. Here in Northern Japan, that stove seems to be the only alcohol stove available, so it will do in pinch. I'm normally not in a hurry when I use it. One thing is obvious from the comments. This stove sells like hotcakes, but I'm sure anyone with an esoteric level of stoviness will avoid 😉
i have the exact one ,never tried it yet , i agree on most of the review but i dont think its that bad yes you need to mess with it before its right and need to push in the stand holder inwards for proper fit and make a grill so it can be used with any pot,cup, sure theres better ones but its ok
Forget to stop the time. How cold was the water to begin with? How much wind? How cold was that pot? Repeat the test in summertime, put the kettle in the sun to warm up before using it and you’ll see the difference. Besides, I’m not trying to escape so I’ve got plenty of time to heat up water. A few minutes more or less, who cares. I don’t care which ever stove you use, the one you have is better than the one you don’t have. Also, even the trangia can leak if your rubber sealing is shot. I always carry an empty alcohol stove. Any liquid fuel leaking into your lunch sucks. My choice of alcohol stove is the X-boil. You get to chose the right size fittet to your pot to improve efficiency. Ultralight, usable with alcohol or tablets. And the mini stove uses a material to prevent spillage. For other occasions I use gas or hobo wood stoves.
I’ve had an off brand alcohol stove just like that for well over a year and I bent my tabs in and sit the stove down inside on top of those tabs and can boil two cups of water in my Stanley pot in about 5 minutes.
The Redcamp one works fine once you clean it out. It ships with an oil coating that takes forever to burn through, but once you do it works like the Trangia it's a clone of. So you can either let it burn a very long time (30+ min) and deal with lots of soot from that oil sheen, or use a de-greaser. Either way, it doesn't work well out-of-box and needs some prep work.
Darn, I totally bought this stove off of Amazon last year. I just punched out the holes with an awl to widen the holes, gonna try it out and see if I get better performance.
Thanks for your review of this stove. It is similar to the pathfinder stove in two ways. It holds a greater amount of fuel than the Trangia but it doesn't burn as well. BTW the Trangia also has the o'ring but the problem is in the seam where the top of the stove is attached to the bottom. The fluid may not drip out but over a few days it will evaporate out so the stove is empty when you want to use it. There is an outfit that solders the seam and sells the Trangia's that way so they will hold alcohol for weeks at a time. The reason for putting up with this is that Trangia's have the best flame bloom of any other stove.
You are so right. I use my 40 year old trangia. with a jar lid as as a snuffer. The lid and the simmer ring I clip together bottom to bottom so that the rim of the Trangia sits about even with the collar in my Bushbuddy wood stove. If it's dry, I burn twigs and if it's rainy wet, I use the Trangia. This setup is the best I have found for myself. The Trangia and jar lid snuffer. all fit together inside the collapsed Bushbuddy stove. Also it is a VERY safe setup. (Just remove the BB collar with a pot grabber before you snuff)
I did the experiment too and I used two different pans to boil the water on one. I got over 9 minutes just like you did but on my other pan I got eight and a half minutes boil time. Now I use my Toaks two cup... And it boiled in 5 minutes, 20 seconds. It all has to do in the metal you use to hild the water. Steel takes longer! Aluminum takes a little less time! And of course titanium takes the less amount of time to boil water. Believe me Luke, I did the experiments too to see if what you were saying was true. You're partly true. But then you were doing this in the dead set of winter and you had that burner sitting directly on the ground. That right there makes a difference. When you do the experiment again using the red champ, use different metals. Yeah and I like how you gave a shout out there to The Transgia stoves. I have both! And one works just as well as the other depending on the metal you use.
Love the channel and 98 percent of the time agree. Naturally I did not find your video on this stove until literally after mine arrived a few days ago. lol. The legs on your stand are pushed out quite a bit. You can see it pretty clearly in the video. Or at least it appears that way. When I drop my stove in the stand for that closer to the pot position it sits tight. I dont find it all that finicky. And being closer to the bottom of the pot gets it heated a lot faster. Not saying its a great stove lol, but....just push the legs in on the base and it gets quite a bit better.
I've got the same stove and use a titanium cross-plate pot support rather than the included pot stand (mainly because it's HUGE and doesn't fit the smaller cook pots I typically use - IMUSA mug or GSI Minimalist). It's not as fast as a fancy feest, but for day hikes and such, I like the fact that I can just fill this with fuel rather than bring along a separate bottle. Luckily, mine has not leaked in my pack.
i have the same stove and i find it works quite ok for the price. As for the brass stove not sitting on the base securely simply bend in the 3 support tabs very slightly and it fits 100% perfectly .. not loose in any way .. yes there are better stoves on the market but not at this price .. i have to give it a thumbs up for the money
5 seconds and it’s easy to adjust so it works in various ways. The one thing I did was use torch tip cleaners to clean up the fuel vapor holes. It works great now.
I have that stove and love it. Yes i use a wind screen but the tabs on yours need to be bent in. My stove pops into the tabs and the lip rest on the tabs. That puts the stove about 1 1/2 inches from the pot. I also made a triangle "trivet " for a stanley French press to set on. That's my only compliant is the stand is too large for small pots unless you put stand on top of stove. Then it's base is too small to be stable. Mine takes and 7 minutes to boil with 32oz stanley French press. 🤷
I got one of these for free when I bought an Alocs 7-Piece kit. I threw out the burner and kept the simmer ring to use with my Trangia burner as the little flip-out handle makes it way easier to place it onto the burner without having to put your hands over the flame. As for that pot stand, this one is terrible, but the Alocs branded spirit burner stand is WAY less fiddly and nests perfectly within the plastic bowl inside the GSI Pinnacle Soloist pot kit. This allows me to have the pot, bowl, burner and stand inside the pot surrounded by a 3F-UL windscreen, leaving room for a collapsible silicone funnel for putting unused alcohol back into the fuel bottle as well as a small Bic lighter and towel to wipe the pot clean. I honestly think it's the most insanely efficient cooking kit pack-down I've ever seen, and to be honest, I almost feel I should make a video on it...
I agree about the flip-out handle on the simmer ring, so much easier to use to snuff out a flame than using the Trangia simmer ring. Trangia should adapt this feature.
I used the stand upside down, stainless steel mugg 600ml water and it took 31 minutes to get water boiling. Using stand "normal" way...16 minutes to boiling. I bent the stand to match better both the burner and mugg. Windshield is a must to have thing.
I personaly love this little chinese stove and the pot stand makes it very versatile. Got mine straight from China brand new on ebay for $10. came in a generic box with a nioce little carry pouch. Mine is completely unbranded. Boil time is comparible to the Trangia. The Trangia however does not come with either a pot stand nor the handle on the flame regulator which allows you to manage your flame without getting burned. (cant believe Trangia never thought of that). The pot stand is super light weight and allows you to accomodate a host of different cooking utensils and yes, it does actually act as a low level wind sheild espacially when turned upside down. Also this little chinese burner does not leak stored fuel like the Trangia does. Im my opinon is agreat value. Fully recommend.
I got mine for 3 pound of Ali express . I make a groove in the mud then use the last config. It's great for heating cups of water for brews and cooking in mess tins. 3 pounds. And fuel is 4 pound.
I have to say I think the little stove is getting a bum rap. This was my first alcohol stove and I modified the little stand by carefully bending the pot supports in toward the center so that it fits my smaller cups and pots. I also had to adjust the tabs to make the burner sit properly without falling down into the center. The burner is no Trangia Military model (a BEAST!) but it doesn't do so bad. Now the claims of several different positions for the pot holder is pretty bogus, and it lacks a windscreen, but it works ok.
An addendum. . .if you buy the Esbit alcohol burnier, it is IDENTICAL to the Redcamp. I lit both burners and they seem to burn the same. I think the problem is more with the STAND than the burners. I got .5 liters of water in a pan to a rolling boil in around 4 minutes, once the burners got going good. If the stand is too close to the pot, or if you don't let the burner get burning really well you WILL have ridiculously long boil times. I used the Redcamp with the stand sitting on top of the burner rim and it was much better.
I've had one of those for about 2 years. I don't find it horrible but definitely not the best thing going. The stand is the biggest issue for me. I like using it to make coffee while hunting and the only way to use that stand with a canteen cup is to bury the prongs in the dirt and sit the cup on the bottom of the stand.
I really enjoy mine. Works great for me and my family, and we never noticed a problem. If there's better, that's great because we think ours is great. We just put a pan on it and cook our food.
I have the same stove and it works great.......if you use it right. Which you are not. Check out the multiple vids on how to properly position the stove for the best efficiency.
I hate alcohol stoves. I have used an MSR pocket rocket for years and it boils water fast. I use what works and carrying around a bottle of spillable fuel just does not make sense to me. Thanks for the review.
I have this stove and it worked... a little out of the box. To make it better, the three inner tabs on the stand need to be pushed in to snugly hold the stove off the bottom. The quality seems to be hit or miss (probably more miss 😄) and I had to tweak mine a little to get it to work well. I still use it occasionally but it won't ever be as good as the Trangia or others so I would definitely recommend something else - especially since the price has been going up. The Trangia is what... $25 compared to this at $18? Definitely worth the extra few dollars and finding a good stand.
With all that snow it is below room temp. Plus you did not have the shield close enough around your burn. My plenty of experience with that stove gives 6mins for 2cups from 20"c... you need more experience......
I just saw a test done on a Trangia indoors and the time was 9.5 minutes. That was with 400 ml water which is less than 2 cups. The stand isn't impressive, but it's still probably worth the money. Interesting part of the test with an Evernew is that they both used the same amount of fuel to boil the water. It just took longer. That can be bad if you are just trying to boil water, but good if you are cooking food at medium heat. A close wind screen and a different stand would make it usable. I ordered one of those cheap ones just to play around with it. Haven't got it yet. Compared to some pop cans or soup cans, I would say it's a pretty big step up. Alcohol users generally don't worry that much about the time. That's just not in the equation. For me, I'd rather have it last and use as little alcohol as possible. It doesn't even need to boil for a lot of things like heating food or making tea.
Mine was just fine and didn't have any of the fitment issues you related too. I do agree though that the Trangia burner is a bit better and heats up faster.
I saw short showing this windshield being used in a different way. It was dropped over the top of the stove rather then being used as a base. That way the heat the heat came up through the circular hole. So you basically use it turned upside down. It looked as if it made a more efficient wind shield that way. But I wasn't overly impressed.
If you use it like its recommended with the pots rim resting on the L brackets it burns much faster than what you show with your setup. Most stoves that boil faster also use much more fuel than it does. Not saying it's the best cause it's not but you're using it in a way that it shouldn't be used and it doesn't work well that way. It is about an average alcohol stove it's faster than the Trangia and slower than some others.
It is just the same as other alcohol stoves. Make a side by side comparison with the Trangia and it is just marginally slower. I think the fact that is fragile is the main difference to be honest. The stand is pretty useless thought, if the point is minimalism, then a cross stand is better.
I have just done a test with 7 alcohol stoves and yes.. this stove was one of the.. it's shockingly bad. I had it up against a tringia and the prime time is so different. For me.. Tringia all the way. You're so right Luke. This stove is just relabeled and passed off as a different brand. You should check out the Xboil. Brilliant unit.
The cat stove works great with a hardware cloth potstand. I have used it for decades and although it isn't gucci click and buy and requires effort to put it together it costs nothing and really works well. Saving fuel with the trangia model by capping it off does not work well IMHO. If the user knows their tool they know how much fuel they need to accomplish the task they need to fulfill. Again this requires effort the click and be disappointed folks will never understand. Thanks for sharing !
My trangia came with a similar stand. Like others have said trangias need to be about an inch to the pot. YT guy tested alcohol stoves in about every way. Hiram was his name. Trangia needs to bring back their titanium setup, bad move not to.
I’ve used this stove and he has the stove sitting on the bottom of the frame. and I have not had the problems he is indicating. If you bend the three prong just a small bit, the stove sits in the bracket just fine which increases the burn time significantly. My burn time was about 9 minutes including the priming time.
I have this exact same stove stove and stand. Works great. It just sits on top of the tabs. I can’t understand why you find it so challenging to use to be quite honest.
Looks like your stove stand was “modified”. The stove supports should grip the stove tightly, holding the stove to the proper height for best efficiency. I love my Trangia and Evernew spirit burners. My Trangia 28 came with a stand that I believe the Red Camp was patterned after. I do also have a RedCamp stove like you just featured. It’s almost as good as the Trangia as well. I believe the biggest difference is the Trangia (and Evernew) have a kind of felt in the fuel reservoir while the RedCamp does sot. Still it performs almost on par. Boil times are less than half of what you got.
I've had a trangia of the same design for about ten years I think. It works ok to boil water or make oatmeal. My only real complaint is that, the stand is annoying to pack away. I never cared for packing my stove into my cook pot like many suggest. If you're using denatured alcohol or solid fuel like debit, that stuff is very toxic, I don't like that in my food container.
Dunno, I've built a bunch of pop can type stoves and some twig stoves. Often thought of buying a Trangia. Never got around to it. I see on Amazon the variations on the same stove. That kit would not be preferred. Alternates look better, but it seems that the stove itself is sloppily made. I have several alcohol day hike kits with a pop can stove, pot stand, flashing wind screen and a fuel bottle, tea bags/coffee tubes, that all fit in an IMUSA cup. Great for coffee/tea break, raman lunch, or a simple dehydrated dinner. Only alcohol stoves I've used. The only Chinese thing I've bought that worked well was a $19 micro canister stove.
I just purchased one of these (albeit without the logo, but the same item I'm certain). It's a great stove! I did need to spend about 10 to 15 seconds bending those support tabs in to adequately and firmly hold the stove itself, but then it was ready and raring to go. It burned my fuel of choice (99.9% methyl hydrate) well and effectively. I'm guessing you were having a bad day or something when you tried this thing, or perhaps you received a lemon. Mine is great!
This was my first and only alcohol stove. The flames that came off it were so large they threatened to burn me every time I went near the pot. I’m a gas stove user now….
As a retiree the price was what sold me on this. I've always used #2 and never had the problem getting it to stay on the supports you seemed to have. Your right it is fussy getting it in and out from under the supports for storage. I've had it for 2 years now. I guess I'll have to look at something better or a homemade one to compare.
Have no idea what your burning in that stove but I love mine. Has always worked flawlessly when using 91% alcohol or heet. I have been using mine for over a year and I was so impressed I bought another. Also it’s a given fact that when using a alcohol stove, a wind screen is a must. Can see absolutely no reason to spend money needlessly on over priced stoves when this stove works great. Are you sponsored by a manufacturer of camping gear ? Sounds like it to me.
You must have a poorly made stove. Bad quality control maybe? Mine is 3 years old and I think works great. It does burn fuel quicker than my Trangia though. I can boil 2 cups of water at 30 degrees F in about 6.5 to 7 minutes with mine. A windscreen is required with ANY alcohol stove. A PC fan guard works well with the stand. Paid $12 for mine (half the price of the Trangia at that time) and for the price I am satisfied with it. Highly suggest that you do not store alcohol in this or any alcohol stove. Even the Trangia will eventually leak. Just like any other tool, you have to learn how to use it.
I have used the design of stove for several years. Looks like you had the puck down inside the stand . I use the stone on top of the supports, had to bend them in a little bit. The stove fits inside my cup . I use a little over a cup of water. That is all that is what is required for most (backpacking meals) and the fire will burn out before my coffee has boiled to nothing.
This video is a very good example of why doing your own research is important. The tabs on the one in the video are clearly bent outward. This might have happened during production or shipping, but with the emphasis on how poor the stove is I'm leaning toward a simple lack of creativity during sabotage. My stanley kettle fits perfectly with the appropriate clearance for a steady boil and wind protection. I'm glad I already owned this kit before watching the video as the gentleman might have convinced me otherwise. My take away, do your own research!
Strange, I started using one of the stoves to lighten my pack after a year of inactivity due to Chemotherapy. I use a folding windscreen with mine, and have had no issues after months of use. I was pleasantly surprised with the heat output and boil time of my stove. The pot support is strong enough to handle an MSR pot and camp frypan easily. Maybe you received a defective unit?
Luke, I agree with you on the stoves performance mostly. I bought this stove many years ago when I first got into alcohol stoves. I learned on the cooking stand you can easily bend the tabs down to get the stove to sit better and it bring the stove closer to the pot. I totally agree with you on the stand itself, just rubbish. I use the 2 bars the make a X on top of the stove which works fine but you lose simmer factor and have to blow out the flame before closing the stove. Yes it could be much better.
Bend the supports in to the under rim diameter so that the supports tightly grip the sidewalls of the stove. Works great and have used mine for over two years with no problem.
I agree 👍🏼
I use mine the same way, with the small arms holding the stove and has been great. Only issue is it is very fiddly to simmer and not have the flame go out. I love the review effort and all the reviews Luke!!!
@@gilg2560 Anyone with a few brain cells can see it's not right like that
Yeah, it works really quite well when you bend the supports like that. As far as I understand that's how it's primarily designed to be used, so it's a little unfortunate to not have seen it tested in that configuration. Of course you still need a separate windscreen, but the price of the kit combined with the weight and the size of the stand is the killer feature here. I'm not aware of any similar kits within the same price/weight class that support kettles or 18cm diameter frying pans.
The stand that I have is 37 grams by itself. Considering the entire kit cost me 14 USD including shipping and tax, I think that's good value for a stove, bag and a stand that elevates and supports larger pots and pans.
Do also consider replacing the stove with something lighter. The aluminum stand is strong enough to protect a fragile lightweight alcohol stove nested inside. I've got it down to 67 grams total with a cheap Lixada lightweight (aluminum?) stove that otherwise would get crushed quickly. All that, nested inside a lightweight wide base pot for 275 grams, and with an added windshield for 401 grams total, which I find to be quite respectable.
Aluminum you can Bend them in so easily no big deal looks like a good deal to me
Have the same stove and tweeked the tabs in and it works fine for me. I'm really not in a hurry to boil water in 4 minutes. Good review 👍
I guess if you’re looking for a quality product, you get what you pay for!
That being said, I regularly use one of these cheap alcohol stoves with no problem at all.
As others have commented, you press the small tags in until they grip the body of the stove and then sit the small rim of your stove on top of the tags… perfectly stable !!
So Trangia style stoves need to be one inch below the pot for optimum heat. That is the sweet spot. Bend the tabs on the pot stand in so that the lip on the burner sits on top of the tabs. This should give you the right height. Also, it keeps the burner off the cold ground/stump/table. I always use a small circle of reflectix under alcohol burners in the cold. The bloom time and flame output is greatly affected by cold ground. Finally, ditch that wind screen and make a small one out of aluminum flashing that fits tighter around your pot...this will hold a lot more heat in and will help the burner and your pot stay hotter. This will easily cut that boil time in half.
Thank you sir for making me smile unlike some people. 🙃🙃🙃
I’m glad I read your post because I was seriously considering sending this thing back and getting 2 trans. We should’ve put you in office for four. 🙃🙃🙃
@@terrybutler-fl4dx 👍
@@briargoatkilla It's already got the rite height. The side tabs are only to center the burner.
@@briargoatkilla Yep. Your the teacher and Luke is the student.
I have this stove and love it. Works for a fraction of the cost. Also can be configured where the Stanley 2 cup stainless pot sits secured inside. Absolutely recommend this for someone who's looking for a budget solution.
I used this setup for hunting this year. Definitely not as bad as Luke makes this out to be, just need to adjust the baseplate a bit...
this stove works for me and works well. it fits in my ohhuhu wood stove that works great for blocking the wind. gets 16oz of water to a roiling boils in 6 mins, and fits in perfect the ohhuhu when packed down. the pot stand is complete trash. im happy with the stove its a nice budget friendly alternative for someone like me who doesnt have the expendable income like you do luke.
This was my first alcohol stove that I bought about 4 years ago. It worked okay once i pushed the tabs in to hold the stove below the rim. But I also graduated to the titanium Evernew set. This one was donated to the Boy Scouts.
Just what I was thinking: some adjustment required. That is what Bushcraft is all about. Those of us on a budget, who only get out once in a while, could use this stove and make it better.
I got one of these for free when I bought an Alocs 7-Piece kit. I threw out the burner and kept the simmer ring to use with my Trangia burner as the little flip-out handle makes it way easier to place it onto the burner without having to put your hands over the flame. As for that pot stand, this one is terrible, but the Alocs branded spirit burner stand is WAY less fiddly and nests perfectly within the plastic bowl inside the GSI Pinnacle Soloist pot kit. This allows me to have the pot, bowl, burner and stand inside the pot surrounded by a 3F-UL windscreen, leaving room for a collapsible silicone funnel for putting unused alcohol back into the fuel bottle as well as a small Bic lighter and towel to wipe the pot clean. I honestly think it's the most insanely efficient cooking kit pack-down I've ever seen, and to be honest, I almost feel I should make a video on it...
@@Funkteon I’d watch that!
“Today the local Boy Scout troop lost fifteen members, sadly, and the Boy Scout camp was a total loss. Investigators believe the fire started with an alcohol stove that was donated by a good samaritan.”
!!EEEK!! HE SAID "BOY"!! **QUICK! GET HIM!** 🤣
I have one of these as well and I've used it quite a bit with really no issues at all.
In fairness, the supports on the stand are bowed out a little. Moving them in a bit might result in a more stable mounting?
Hi Luke, from Australia 🇦🇺, I have one of these stoves and I’m thinking of buying another. The thing is your using it wrong, sit the stove (the rim) on top of those flanges, not under like you have it set up. You may have to squeeze the flanges in a little close towards the centre, but I use my stove and it works really well. I bought it on eBay, I think it was around $20 Aussie money, the stove works great. 👍🏻
Oops, an all-too-common spelling error "...The thing is your using it wrong...", it should read you're or you are. When writing, that which follows your belongs to the person you are writing to.
$5 in Thailand works great, use critical thinking skills.
Luke's problem is, the purchaser shouldn't have to modify a brand new product.
I personally think that's a silly position. I personally modify nearly everything I buy so it'll work better for me. Bending those tabs in doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me. It's a one-time, 45 second fix.
Well, I appreciate your review. That being said I did buy one of those just not the redcamp version, mine is noname but identical. I have had a different experience in that the base does require a slight bending in of the small tabs and it secures the stove quite securely and also brings the level of the stove top closer to the pot bottom which makes a huge difference in function. I believe it only really has two options for the support one is as I described being held in the grip of the three small supports and definitely not going under them and the other as you showed on top. The other thing is that I would have started the timer after it had Bloomed. My final comment is I use Methal hydrate in my stove and never use alcohol, I find the Meths burn hotter and cleaner. Just my 2 cents I am happy with mine
Even just watching the video its clear to see that some slight bending of either the inner "tabs" or the outer "legs" can dramatically improve the fit and thus stability and usability of the stove. i think Luke is being deliberately obtuse - its like watching a SNL skit of O J Simpson deliberately fumbling with a pair of gloves to make it appear they can't possibly fit.
This is definitely not the worst stove ever and for the money it does the job
Been using mine for 6yrs no issues
You my guy but I own 2 of them. No issues being fiddle when you learn to press the 3 tabs and use the 2 groove lines molded into the side of the stove. Keep up the good work my friend. 👍🏾👍🏾
Amazing stove, not sure why you against it so much and slay it like it's the worst thing you've ever seen... It does the job and I'm using it for years and never had any issues with it, it never felt, never slided or whatever and it's super stable you just need to know how to set it up. I've used other stoved before, and this one is the best.
Doesn't the wind completely kills performance? I took this out a couple of times and even the slightest breeze makes it unusable. One can use a windscreen, but at that point, a cross stand or even a supercat stove will do the job.
So how much were you paid to make this negative review? You can clearly see your tabs bent way out. I have this stove and it works flawlessly.
Hi Luke. I've had that stove for a couple of years. Works great for me. I sit it on top of the flanges which gets it closer to the pot. I also use a wind screen. I also took a piece of heavy wire and bent it into a V shape to lay across the top to accommodate a cup or different size pots. For the light stuff I use it for I love it. God Bless my friend.
You have to turn that stand around and push these 3 little tags a bit to the inside so the stove hangs in there and dont touch the ground.
Then it works great as windshield and is doing way better. works for me at elast for the last few years.
I was gifted one of these. There are two problems with it: the vapor jets all need to be the same size and you have to bend the small tabs on the stand in a bit for the stove to sit in the stand properly.
It's a fine stove, especially for $16.
Took less than 5 minutes with a pin vise and a 1.5mm bit to fix the vent holes, and like 8 seconds to bend the tabs correctly.
You could use a 1/16" bit and a cordless drill and be done in 30 seconds but I prefer 1.5mm holes and my drill Chuck doesn't hold short bits well.
It now boils 16oz of water in exactly the same amount of time as my Trangia small burner. Within 3-5 seconds either way depending on wind, which is always a variable.
For less than 5 minutes of elbow grease I now have something that performs as well as my Trangia, cost ~$10 less, holds more fuel and came with a functional stand (which the Trangia did not include any stand).
My only complaint is that the cover on the simmer ring is slightly stiff on the Redcamp, but then the Trangia doesn't have the little binder clip handle from the manufacturer so...
Opinions vary 🤷🏻♂️
You have no clue Luke. I agree with you at the end. "You have no idea"...
He's lost the plot...
Good review ,I use mine nearly every day ,thought 5hey were ok
Might help if you took 2 minutes to set it up correctly
@@jeffvaughn7987 And maybe one more minute to understand anything at all about spirit stoves.
Omg brother I bought this exact same stove combo and I just thought all alcohol stoves were garbage after using it. I never ever took it into the mountains choosing mini gas instead which you can't beat in my opinion. Another great vid cheers
Dude I used to Love your reviews but you've completed missed this one the tabs move very easily in and out plus it only costs £8 in the UK, so it's cheap and cheerful 😂
Agreed.
sitting the stove on bare rock is obviously going to effect the performance. if you must compare stoves do it in a fair manner.
I do sometimes wonder what you're thinking of.
IV got one of those, and it looks like the little supports on the stand on yours have been bent outwards so that it doesn't support the stove very well. Mine is really snug and fits perfect. Good thorough review though mate 👌
I just unbent the three little tabs on the stand and then pushed them slightly toward the center, curving the ends slightly. That holds the stove much higher at the stove's lip. The stove itself performs very much like the Trangia.
I don't know what is wrong with yours. Mine is not fiddly at all. When I put mine in the upper level it will not fall through and is well centered. I actually never use it in the lower configuration. Not really sure why you'ld want to. The simmer feature is nice but has the same issue as my trangia in that it is a bid of a chore to get it to a low simmer without it going out completely. I have a small piece of carbon felt that I pack with it to keep it from rattleing and to use a wind break when necessary. Just my thoughts.
One of rare times I’ve seen bias in a review. Found that kinda weird tbh!
Agreed. That was painful to watch.
I have this stove as well. I've used it extensively with no issues. It boils my canteen cup of water for my coffee and it heats my food. Maybe other stoves will do it quicker, but I'm not gonna chirp over an extra minute or two. I've fried fish over it, I've heated Dinty Moore beef stew, made ramen, made coffee, tea, soup, cooked hot dogs. For me, it's a tossup between this and an Esbit stove.
Had mine for a couple years now and I like it. And I like the pot stand. I use it with method 2 and 4….but I bent the small supports in a little to hold it snug. Also with method 4….my 750ml fits perfect. Guess it just depends on what you have.
Ps…. The summer thing is kinda worthless on it though. It always goes out on me.
I have similar stove and have had no issues with them.
how much does this joker get paid to say what he aays
My first alcohol (methylated spirit) stove came from Woolworths, 58 years ago. I cooked on it for a week, 3 meals a day and lots of cups of tea. Used less than a pint of meths. The trick is to know how long a set amount of fuel burns for, you really need to have only a couple of minutes of burn time left when your stew is hot.
I’ve used those type of stands a lot . Never had a problem
Overall, an accurate review. My boil times are close to the same. As you said, if it's your first alcohol stove you might not mind. I don't mind haha! That said, I appreciate getting some perspective. Here in Northern Japan, that stove seems to be the only alcohol stove available, so it will do in pinch. I'm normally not in a hurry when I use it. One thing is obvious from the comments. This stove sells like hotcakes, but I'm sure anyone with an esoteric level of stoviness will avoid 😉
i have the exact one ,never tried it yet , i agree on most of the review but i dont think its that bad yes you need to mess with it before its right and need to push in the stand holder inwards for proper fit and make a grill so it can be used with any pot,cup, sure theres better ones but its ok
Forget to stop the time. How cold was the water to begin with? How much wind? How cold was that pot? Repeat the test in summertime, put the kettle in the sun to warm up before using it and you’ll see the difference. Besides, I’m not trying to escape so I’ve got plenty of time to heat up water. A few minutes more or less, who cares. I don’t care which ever stove you use, the one you have is better than the one you don’t have. Also, even the trangia can leak if your rubber sealing is shot. I always carry an empty alcohol stove. Any liquid fuel leaking into your lunch sucks.
My choice of alcohol stove is the X-boil. You get to chose the right size fittet to your pot to improve efficiency. Ultralight, usable with alcohol or tablets. And the mini stove uses a material to prevent spillage. For other occasions I use gas or hobo wood stoves.
I’ve had an off brand alcohol stove just like that for well over a year and I bent my tabs in and sit the stove down inside on top of those tabs and can boil two cups of water in my Stanley pot in about 5 minutes.
The Redcamp one works fine once you clean it out. It ships with an oil coating that takes forever to burn through, but once you do it works like the Trangia it's a clone of. So you can either let it burn a very long time (30+ min) and deal with lots of soot from that oil sheen, or use a de-greaser. Either way, it doesn't work well out-of-box and needs some prep work.
Darn, I totally bought this stove off of Amazon last year. I just punched out the holes with an awl to widen the holes, gonna try it out and see if I get better performance.
How’d it go?
I think maybe there is more profit for Luke by selling more expensive stoves.
Thanks for your review of this stove. It is similar to the pathfinder stove in two ways. It holds a greater amount of fuel than the Trangia but it doesn't burn as well.
BTW the Trangia also has the o'ring but the problem is in the seam where the top of the stove is attached to the bottom. The fluid may not drip out but over a few days it will evaporate out so the stove is empty when you want to use it. There is an outfit that solders the seam and sells the Trangia's that way so they will hold alcohol for weeks at a time. The reason for putting up with this is that Trangia's have the best flame bloom of any other stove.
You are so right. I use my 40 year old trangia. with a jar lid as as a snuffer. The lid and the simmer ring I clip together bottom to bottom so that the rim of the Trangia sits about even with the collar in my Bushbuddy wood stove. If it's dry, I burn twigs and if it's rainy wet, I use the Trangia. This setup is the best I have found for myself. The Trangia and jar lid snuffer. all fit together inside the collapsed Bushbuddy stove. Also it is a VERY safe setup. (Just remove the BB collar with a pot grabber before you snuff)
I did the experiment too and I used two different pans to boil the water on one. I got over 9 minutes just like you did but on my other pan I got eight and a half minutes boil time. Now I use my Toaks two cup... And it boiled in 5 minutes, 20 seconds.
It all has to do in the metal you use to hild the water.
Steel takes longer!
Aluminum takes a little less time!
And of course titanium takes the less amount of time to boil water.
Believe me Luke, I did the experiments too to see if what you were saying was true.
You're partly true.
But then you were doing this in the dead set of winter and you had that burner sitting directly on the ground.
That right there makes a difference.
When you do the experiment again using the red champ, use different metals.
Yeah and I like how you gave a shout out there to The Transgia stoves.
I have both!
And one works just as well as the other depending on the metal you use.
Love the channel and 98 percent of the time agree. Naturally I did not find your video on this stove until literally after mine arrived a few days ago. lol. The legs on your stand are pushed out quite a bit. You can see it pretty clearly in the video. Or at least it appears that way. When I drop my stove in the stand for that closer to the pot position it sits tight. I dont find it all that finicky. And being closer to the bottom of the pot gets it heated a lot faster. Not saying its a great stove lol, but....just push the legs in on the base and it gets quite a bit better.
I've got the same stove and use a titanium cross-plate pot support rather than the included pot stand (mainly because it's HUGE and doesn't fit the smaller cook pots I typically use - IMUSA mug or GSI Minimalist). It's not as fast as a fancy feest, but for day hikes and such, I like the fact that I can just fill this with fuel rather than bring along a separate bottle. Luckily, mine has not leaked in my pack.
I have one of these and it actually works better than my Trangia...go figure lol
i have the same stove and i find it works quite ok for the price. As for the brass stove not sitting on the base securely simply bend in the 3 support tabs very slightly and it fits 100% perfectly .. not loose in any way .. yes there are better stoves on the market but not at this price .. i have to give it a thumbs up for the money
5 seconds and it’s easy to adjust so it works in various ways. The one thing I did was use torch tip cleaners to clean up the fuel vapor holes. It works great now.
I use my stand the other way and my Stanley adventure cup works awesome on it. 6 minutes to boil no problem
I have that stove and love it. Yes i use a wind screen but the tabs on yours need to be bent in. My stove pops into the tabs and the lip rest on the tabs. That puts the stove about 1 1/2 inches from the pot. I also made a triangle "trivet " for a stanley French press to set on. That's my only compliant is the stand is too large for small pots unless you put stand on top of stove. Then it's base is too small to be stable. Mine takes and 7 minutes to boil with 32oz stanley French press. 🤷
I got one of these for free when I bought an Alocs 7-Piece kit. I threw out the burner and kept the simmer ring to use with my Trangia burner as the little flip-out handle makes it way easier to place it onto the burner without having to put your hands over the flame. As for that pot stand, this one is terrible, but the Alocs branded spirit burner stand is WAY less fiddly and nests perfectly within the plastic bowl inside the GSI Pinnacle Soloist pot kit. This allows me to have the pot, bowl, burner and stand inside the pot surrounded by a 3F-UL windscreen, leaving room for a collapsible silicone funnel for putting unused alcohol back into the fuel bottle as well as a small Bic lighter and towel to wipe the pot clean. I honestly think it's the most insanely efficient cooking kit pack-down I've ever seen, and to be honest, I almost feel I should make a video on it...
I agree about the flip-out handle on the simmer ring, so much easier to use to snuff out a flame than using the Trangia simmer ring. Trangia should adapt this feature.
You bend those right angle tabs in more so that it suspends the fuel can a half inch above the bottom.
i haven't owned a Trangia, so Ican't compare. I have had this Redcamp and had worked pretty well.
I used the stand upside down, stainless steel mugg 600ml water and it took 31 minutes to get water boiling. Using stand "normal" way...16 minutes to boiling.
I bent the stand to match better both the burner and mugg.
Windshield is a must to have thing.
I personaly love this little chinese stove and the pot stand makes it very versatile. Got mine straight from China brand new on ebay for $10. came in a generic box with a nioce little carry pouch. Mine is completely unbranded. Boil time is comparible to the Trangia. The Trangia however does not come with either a pot stand nor the handle on the flame regulator which allows you to manage your flame without getting burned. (cant believe Trangia never thought of that). The pot stand is super light weight and allows you to accomodate a host of different cooking utensils and yes, it does actually act as a low level wind sheild espacially when turned upside down. Also this little chinese burner does not leak stored fuel like the Trangia does. Im my opinon is agreat value. Fully recommend.
I got mine for 3 pound of Ali express . I make a groove in the mud then use the last config. It's great for heating cups of water for brews and cooking in mess tins. 3 pounds. And fuel is 4 pound.
I have to say I think the little stove is getting a bum rap. This was my first alcohol stove and I modified the little stand by carefully bending the pot supports in toward the center so that it fits my smaller cups and pots. I also had to adjust the tabs to make the burner sit properly without falling down into the center. The burner is no Trangia Military model (a BEAST!) but it doesn't do so bad. Now the claims of several different positions for the pot holder is pretty bogus, and it lacks a windscreen, but it works ok.
An addendum. . .if you buy the Esbit alcohol burnier, it is IDENTICAL to the Redcamp. I lit both burners and they seem to burn the same. I think the problem is more with the STAND than the burners. I got .5 liters of water in a pan to a rolling boil in around 4 minutes, once the burners got going good. If the stand is too close to the pot, or if you don't let the burner get burning really well you WILL have ridiculously long boil times. I used the Redcamp with the stand sitting on top of the burner rim and it was much better.
I've had one of those for about 2 years. I don't find it horrible but definitely not the best thing going. The stand is the biggest issue for me. I like using it to make coffee while hunting and the only way to use that stand with a canteen cup is to bury the prongs in the dirt and sit the cup on the bottom of the stand.
Great stoves my 2 work flawlessly for 3+ years takes about 6 minutes to boil 2 cups 1 inch below the pot.
I recommend using these stoves.
I really enjoy mine. Works great for me and my family, and we never noticed a problem. If there's better, that's great because we think ours is great. We just put a pan on it and cook our food.
I have the same stove and it works great.......if you use it right. Which you are not. Check out the multiple vids on how to properly position the stove for the best efficiency.
I hate alcohol stoves. I have used an MSR pocket rocket for years and it boils water fast. I use what works and carrying around a bottle of spillable fuel just does not make sense to me. Thanks for the review.
Those 3 tabs have been bent out ,the ridge around burner is designed to sit on those 3 tabs ,not fall through it
I have this stove and it worked... a little out of the box. To make it better, the three inner tabs on the stand need to be pushed in to snugly hold the stove off the bottom. The quality seems to be hit or miss (probably more miss 😄) and I had to tweak mine a little to get it to work well. I still use it occasionally but it won't ever be as good as the Trangia or others so I would definitely recommend something else - especially since the price has been going up. The Trangia is what... $25 compared to this at $18? Definitely worth the extra few dollars and finding a good stand.
I’ve had my Trangia for over 30 years and no problem
You didn't set the stove on the tabs properly. Had mine for two years and works fine for what it is.
With all that snow it is below room temp. Plus you did not have the shield close enough around your burn. My plenty of experience with that stove gives 6mins for 2cups from 20"c... you need more experience......
I just saw a test done on a Trangia indoors and the time was 9.5 minutes. That was with 400 ml water which is less than 2 cups. The stand isn't impressive, but it's still probably worth the money. Interesting part of the test with an Evernew is that they both used the same amount of fuel to boil the water. It just took longer. That can be bad if you are just trying to boil water, but good if you are cooking food at medium heat. A close wind screen and a different stand would make it usable. I ordered one of those cheap ones just to play around with it. Haven't got it yet. Compared to some pop cans or soup cans, I would say it's a pretty big step up. Alcohol users generally don't worry that much about the time. That's just not in the equation. For me, I'd rather have it last and use as little alcohol as possible. It doesn't even need to boil for a lot of things like heating food or making tea.
Mine was just fine and didn't have any of the fitment issues you related too. I do agree though that the Trangia burner is a bit better and heats up faster.
I use 1 of these occasionally, with alittle adjusting and my home made wind sheild. Works fine.
I saw short showing this windshield being used in a different way. It was dropped over the top of the stove rather then being used as a base. That way the heat the heat came up through the circular hole. So you basically use it turned upside down. It looked as if it made a more efficient wind shield that way. But I wasn't overly impressed.
Perhaps you need to take. Some outdoor lessons I use that lovely stove already for a few years it never fails love it.
If you use it like its recommended with the pots rim resting on the L brackets it burns much faster than what you show with your setup. Most stoves that boil faster also use much more fuel than it does. Not saying it's the best cause it's not but you're using it in a way that it shouldn't be used and it doesn't work well that way. It is about an average alcohol stove it's faster than the Trangia and slower than some others.
My favourite set is very simple: Trangia burner, cross stand pot support directly on the burner, windshield around it.
Perfect.
It is just the same as other alcohol stoves. Make a side by side comparison with the Trangia and it is just marginally slower. I think the fact that is fragile is the main difference to be honest. The stand is pretty useless thought, if the point is minimalism, then a cross stand is better.
I have just done a test with 7 alcohol stoves and yes.. this stove was one of the.. it's shockingly bad. I had it up against a tringia and the prime time is so different. For me.. Tringia all the way. You're so right Luke. This stove is just relabeled and passed off as a different brand. You should check out the Xboil. Brilliant unit.
The cat stove works great with a hardware cloth potstand. I have used it for decades and although it isn't gucci click and buy and requires effort to put it together it costs nothing and really works well. Saving fuel with the trangia model by capping it off does not work well IMHO. If the user knows their tool they know how much fuel they need to accomplish the task they need to fulfill. Again this requires effort the click and be disappointed folks will never understand. Thanks for sharing !
My trangia came with a similar stand. Like others have said trangias need to be about an inch to the pot. YT guy tested alcohol stoves in about every way. Hiram was his name. Trangia needs to bring back their titanium setup, bad move not to.
I’ve used this stove and he has the stove sitting on the bottom of the frame. and I have not had the problems he is indicating.
If you bend the three prong just a small bit, the stove sits in the bracket just fine which increases the burn time significantly. My burn time was about 9 minutes including the priming time.
i also thought that,to bend the inner supports in!
I have this exact same stove stove and stand. Works great. It just sits on top of the tabs. I can’t understand why you find it so challenging to use to be quite honest.
Looks like your stove stand was “modified”. The stove supports should grip the stove tightly, holding the stove to the proper height for best efficiency.
I love my Trangia and Evernew spirit burners. My Trangia 28 came with a stand that I believe the Red Camp was patterned after. I do also have a RedCamp stove like you just featured. It’s almost as good as the Trangia as well. I believe the biggest difference is the Trangia (and Evernew) have a kind of felt in the fuel reservoir while the RedCamp does sot.
Still it performs almost on par. Boil times are less than half of what you got.
I've had a trangia of the same design for about ten years I think. It works ok to boil water or make oatmeal. My only real complaint is that, the stand is annoying to pack away. I never cared for packing my stove into my cook pot like many suggest. If you're using denatured alcohol or solid fuel like debit, that stuff is very toxic, I don't like that in my food container.
Dunno, I've built a bunch of pop can type stoves and some twig stoves. Often thought of buying a Trangia. Never got around to it. I see on Amazon the variations on the same stove. That kit would not be preferred. Alternates look better, but it seems that the stove itself is sloppily made. I have several alcohol day hike kits with a pop can stove, pot stand, flashing wind screen and a fuel bottle, tea bags/coffee tubes, that all fit in an IMUSA cup. Great for coffee/tea break, raman lunch, or a simple dehydrated dinner. Only alcohol stoves I've used. The only Chinese thing I've bought that worked well was a $19 micro canister stove.
Thank you for letting us all know about the faults of this particular brand of backpack camp stove. I appreciate all you do.
I just purchased one of these (albeit without the logo, but the same item I'm certain). It's a great stove! I did need to spend about 10 to 15 seconds bending those support tabs in to adequately and firmly hold the stove itself, but then it was ready and raring to go. It burned my fuel of choice (99.9% methyl hydrate) well and effectively. I'm guessing you were having a bad day or something when you tried this thing, or perhaps you received a lemon. Mine is great!
This was my first and only alcohol stove. The flames that came off it were so large they threatened to burn me every time I went near the pot. I’m a gas stove user now….
As a retiree the price was what sold me on this. I've always used #2 and never had the problem getting it to stay on the supports you seemed to have. Your right it is fussy getting it in and out from under the supports for storage. I've had it for 2 years now. I guess I'll have to look at something better or a homemade one to compare.
Have no idea what your burning in that stove but I love mine. Has always worked flawlessly when using 91% alcohol or heet. I have been using mine for over a year and I was so impressed I bought another. Also it’s a given fact that when using a alcohol stove, a wind screen is a must. Can see absolutely no reason to spend money needlessly on over priced stoves when this stove works great. Are you sponsored by a manufacturer of camping gear ? Sounds like it to me.
"...Have no idea what your burning...", should be either you're or you are. The correct word makes a difference.
Used that stove for two years of winter camping no problems. When camping why would you be in a hurry. You are out there to enjoy the great outdoors.
I got one , no complaints, but I only used it twice inside when the power went out
You must have a poorly made stove. Bad quality control maybe? Mine is 3 years old and I think works great. It does burn fuel quicker than my Trangia though. I can boil 2 cups of water at 30 degrees F in about 6.5 to 7 minutes with mine. A windscreen is required with ANY alcohol stove. A PC fan guard works well with the stand. Paid $12 for mine (half the price of the Trangia at that time) and for the price I am satisfied with it. Highly suggest that you do not store alcohol in this or any alcohol stove. Even the Trangia will eventually leak. Just like any other tool, you have to learn how to use it.
Works great if you think critically, this is so wrong this guy...
I have used the design of stove for several years. Looks like you had the puck down inside the stand . I use the stone on top of the supports, had to bend them in a little bit. The stove fits inside my cup . I use a little over a cup of water. That is all that is what is required for most (backpacking meals) and the fire will burn out before my coffee has boiled to nothing.
This video is a very good example of why doing your own research is important. The tabs on the one in the video are clearly bent outward. This might have happened during production or shipping, but with the emphasis on how poor the stove is I'm leaning toward a simple lack of creativity during sabotage. My stanley kettle fits perfectly with the appropriate clearance for a steady boil and wind protection. I'm glad I already owned this kit before watching the video as the gentleman might have convinced me otherwise. My take away, do your own research!
I"ve got the same stove but I also bring my Solo stove and set the stove inside! Works very well and if I run out of fuel I still got my twig stove!
Strange, I started using one of the stoves to lighten my pack after a year of inactivity due to Chemotherapy. I use a folding windscreen with mine, and have had no issues after months of use. I was pleasantly surprised with the heat output and boil time of my stove. The pot support is strong enough to handle an MSR pot and camp frypan easily. Maybe you received a defective unit?
Luke, I agree with you on the stoves performance mostly. I bought this stove many years ago when I first got into alcohol stoves. I learned on the cooking stand you can easily bend the tabs down to get the stove to sit better and it bring the stove closer to the pot. I totally agree with you on the stand itself, just rubbish. I use the 2 bars the make a X on top of the stove which works fine but you lose simmer factor and have to blow out the flame before closing the stove. Yes it could be much better.
Iv got that exact stove I love it never tried gas because I Lv this so much
Trangia is still the king of alcohol burners.
Bend the supports in. Works fine.