the death of the gardener would be the plot device needed for Blackthorne to mature in the sense of responsibility and the weight of his words and actions. So Fuji (best waifu, fight me) apparently was aware of the thing between him and Mariko (Yes it was Mariko ho went and did the yobai with John on the previous episode) , and still does his best to serve. so when Buntaro came back (I was actually surprised how early he revealed he was alive, and not the fact he was alive), she asks Mariko to tell her if ever his host was in danger (subtext, if Buntaro were to lash out to john in anger if and when he finds out about the infidelity) as she is duty bound to protect the Hatamoto. Next comes the whole 4D chess that's happening with Toranaga handling things in the aftermath of his son's blunder. Genius. He used it as an opportunity to teach his son an important lesson; flush out whoever manipulated his son to action; and pit Yabushige against his nephew Omi by having the uncle tell his nephew that the young guy was to take control of the artillery regiment instead of him. then near the end there's that cute part where Toranaga was SOOOOOOOO not interested to mediate on the bickering or whatever problem he sensed between Mariko and Blackthorne
When Blackthorne gives Toranaga Fuji's swords, I lost it. What a beautiful moment. The swords of a coward and a drunk samurai will be used by one of Japan's greatest leaders
You asked how powerful this Queen is (Lady Ochib). I hope you won't mind a character spoiler from the book that shouldn't matter because it didn't affect the plot of the book, it was just a background motivator that was barely mentioned. But the book does say that Ishido was madly in love with the Lady Ochiba.
lady Ochiba ( Yodo dono in real history ) a niece of Oda Nobunaga ( in the series they mention him as Kuroda ) the first daimyo who tried to unite Japan Osaka Castle has belonged to her since her son was still young and her husband died.... how powerful she is? well , every man in the castle should listen to her
@@RandalReid The Taiko was not the Emporer, the Emporer had no real power until after the Meiji Restoration, which occurred immediately after the Tokugawa Shogunate, we are watching a novelization of the beginning of the Tokugawa Shogunate. The Taiko couldn't become Shogun because he was truly peasent born, not the son of a lord
@@michaellockhart554 That's why I said "technically the equivalent to..." as I wasn't implying a 1:1 comparison but rather a rough or a ballpark estimate to what her role is. And yes I know we are watching a fictionalized version of the beginning of the Tokugawa Shogunate. I saw the 80s miniseries when it was aired in our country a few years after it's original airing. I also read up on the show before the first episode to refresh my memory.
@@RandalReid Taiko or before retirement, it's called Konpaku 関白 ( Imperial Regent ) since she is the heir's mother so yes, her power can be equivalent to an empress dowager or a queen regent without an official title
The depiction of the samurai is too scary. It portrays women in a very misogynistic way, almost like slaves. Mariko also understands the weaknesses of Mariko's husband. In ancient times, Japanese women took pride in fulfilling their roles perfectly. She is proud that she is an indispensable presence here. There is not just one emotion in a person's heart. The wives of samurai also had such cleverness and pride. She knows her role in life.
Culture clash in the extreme but also social class. John isn't close to wealth and privilege back in England. He said touch the pheasant and die like he would back home where no one would take that so seriously but who wants that rotting bird nearby. I have no doubt none of that is happening next to Queen Elizabeth or anyone in her station of society anymore than this batch of upper class Japanese. John's house in England might put up with this but there are people who do that stuff way down the social scale who never appear in Richmond Palace or in a Hatamoto's home. Meat's prepared elsewhere. Deliveries get sent to the kitchen.
Yea the show keeps making it out too be western vs eastern but John is not as upper-class as any of these people so of course he seems backwards just as much as a peasant there would seem.
@@Fairenough642Indeed, also the show makes the Japanese out to be taking lives more casually than the English which is vastly misleading. Boiling? That was the punishment for poisoners in Elizabethan England. Poaching? Theft? Both hangable offenses in John's England. A lot of offenses had the death penalty which are unthinkable today. Witchcraft, for instance. I am sure Buntaro and a few other husbands in Japan might like a Scold's Brindle for their wives when they talk too much. While European society didn't make a virtue of suicide like the Japanese with Sepuku, you don't have so many laws and prohibitions against something unless people are doing it. Not to mention, dueling was thing when honor was offended in many European countries including England. Sometimes, I feel the book and both the 1980 and this miniseries don't convey how different English culture of 1600 was from today. A lot of English customs of that era would be as odd to us as the Japanese of 1600.
@@Fairenough642Indeed. I would suspect John would have more in common with the gardener or the sailors on that Japanese boat than with any of the crowd he is mixing with. Likely both share a lot of the same feelings about the upper class, too. The show, both the 1980 series and this as well as the book, also are shallow in depicting the culture of Elizabethan England John comes from which is almost as different from us as the Japanese of 1600. Boiling? That was the punishment for poisoners in John's England. Poaching, theft, hangable offenses back in Tudor England. Honestly, being a sailor, I would have expected John to threaten a flogging but the book and show needed a death to break through John's cultural blinders. None the less, death was a punishment for a lot of things in England of 1600 that are unthinkable, today. Witchcraft, for instance. Of course, Sepuku as though the Japanese invented suicide due to humiliation, failure, etc. Europe has a lot of laws and prohibitions, and church exhortations against suicide. You don't need so many laws against something unless people are doing it. Not to mention, dueling was a thing in 1600 whenever honor was offended among the upper classes. They weren't carrying swords just for looks. And it was often the lower classes taking the brunt of it just like Japan. Russian peasants in 1600 were not living in a workers paradise. England was marginally better unless you were an Irish peasant dealing with the English colonizers. And I suspect Buntaro and a few other husbands in Japan might like the idea of a Scold's Bridle for too chatty wives.
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the death of the gardener would be the plot device needed for Blackthorne to mature in the sense of responsibility and the weight of his words and actions. So Fuji (best waifu, fight me) apparently was aware of the thing between him and Mariko (Yes it was Mariko ho went and did the yobai with John on the previous episode) , and still does his best to serve. so when Buntaro came back (I was actually surprised how early he revealed he was alive, and not the fact he was alive), she asks Mariko to tell her if ever his host was in danger (subtext, if Buntaro were to lash out to john in anger if and when he finds out about the infidelity) as she is duty bound to protect the Hatamoto.
Next comes the whole 4D chess that's happening with Toranaga handling things in the aftermath of his son's blunder. Genius. He used it as an opportunity to teach his son an important lesson; flush out whoever manipulated his son to action; and pit Yabushige against his nephew Omi by having the uncle tell his nephew that the young guy was to take control of the artillery regiment instead of him.
then near the end there's that cute part where Toranaga was SOOOOOOOO not interested to mediate on the bickering or whatever problem he sensed between Mariko and Blackthorne
When Blackthorne gives Toranaga Fuji's swords, I lost it. What a beautiful moment. The swords of a coward and a drunk samurai will be used by one of Japan's greatest leaders
You asked how powerful this Queen is (Lady Ochib). I hope you won't mind a character spoiler from the book that shouldn't matter because it didn't affect the plot of the book, it was just a background motivator that was barely mentioned. But the book does say that Ishido was madly in love with the Lady Ochiba.
lady Ochiba ( Yodo dono in real history ) a niece of Oda Nobunaga ( in the series they mention him as Kuroda ) the first daimyo who tried to unite Japan
Osaka Castle has belonged to her since her son was still young and her husband died.... how powerful she is? well , every man in the castle should listen to her
Wouldn't she also be technically the equivalent to an empress dowager or a queen regent until his son is of the right age?
@@RandalReid The Taiko was not the Emporer, the Emporer had no real power until after the Meiji Restoration, which occurred immediately after the Tokugawa Shogunate, we are watching a novelization of the beginning of the Tokugawa Shogunate. The Taiko couldn't become Shogun because he was truly peasent born, not the son of a lord
@@michaellockhart554 That's why I said "technically the equivalent to..." as I wasn't implying a 1:1 comparison but rather a rough or a ballpark estimate to what her role is.
And yes I know we are watching a fictionalized version of the beginning of the Tokugawa Shogunate. I saw the 80s miniseries when it was aired in our country a few years after it's original airing. I also read up on the show before the first episode to refresh my memory.
@@RandalReid Taiko or before retirement, it's called Konpaku 関白 ( Imperial Regent ) since she is the heir's mother
so yes, her power can be equivalent to an empress dowager or a queen regent without an official title
@@baanaabee Thank you! That is precisely what I was asking.
Once the series is over, id say watch the original show, there's a good amount of context that's been cut from this one.
The depiction of the samurai is too scary.
It portrays women in a very misogynistic way, almost like slaves. Mariko also understands the weaknesses of Mariko's husband.
In ancient times, Japanese women took pride in fulfilling their roles perfectly. She is proud that she is an indispensable presence here. There is not just one emotion in a person's heart.
The wives of samurai also had such cleverness and pride. She knows her role in life.
It's not the depictions, its reality
Was**
Culture clash in the extreme but also social class. John isn't close to wealth and privilege back in England. He said touch the pheasant and die like he would back home where no one would take that so seriously but who wants that rotting bird nearby. I have no doubt none of that is happening next to Queen Elizabeth or anyone in her station of society anymore than this batch of upper class Japanese. John's house in England might put up with this but there are people who do that stuff way down the social scale who never appear in Richmond Palace or in a Hatamoto's home. Meat's prepared elsewhere. Deliveries get sent to the kitchen.
Yea the show keeps making it out too be western vs eastern but John is not as upper-class as any of these people so of course he seems backwards just as much as a peasant there would seem.
@@Fairenough642Indeed, also the show makes the Japanese out to be taking lives more casually than the English which is vastly misleading. Boiling? That was the punishment for poisoners in Elizabethan England. Poaching? Theft? Both hangable offenses in John's England. A lot of offenses had the death penalty which are unthinkable today. Witchcraft, for instance. I am sure Buntaro and a few other husbands in Japan might like a Scold's Brindle for their wives when they talk too much. While European society didn't make a virtue of suicide like the Japanese with Sepuku, you don't have so many laws and prohibitions against something unless people are doing it. Not to mention, dueling was thing when honor was offended in many European countries including England. Sometimes, I feel the book and both the 1980 and this miniseries don't convey how different English culture of 1600 was from today. A lot of English customs of that era would be as odd to us as the Japanese of 1600.
@@Fairenough642Indeed. I would suspect John would have more in common with the gardener or the sailors on that Japanese boat than with any of the crowd he is mixing with. Likely both share a lot of the same feelings about the upper class, too.
The show, both the 1980 series and this as well as the book, also are shallow in depicting the culture of Elizabethan England John comes from which is almost as different from us as the Japanese of 1600. Boiling? That was the punishment for poisoners in John's England. Poaching, theft, hangable offenses back in Tudor England. Honestly, being a sailor, I would have expected John to threaten a flogging but the book and show needed a death to break through John's cultural blinders. None the less, death was a punishment for a lot of things in England of 1600 that are unthinkable, today. Witchcraft, for instance.
Of course, Sepuku as though the Japanese invented suicide due to humiliation, failure, etc. Europe has a lot of laws and prohibitions, and church exhortations against suicide. You don't need so many laws against something unless people are doing it. Not to mention, dueling was a thing in 1600 whenever honor was offended among the upper classes. They weren't carrying swords just for looks. And it was often the lower classes taking the brunt of it just like Japan. Russian peasants in 1600 were not living in a workers paradise. England was marginally better unless you were an Irish peasant dealing with the English colonizers.
And I suspect Buntaro and a few other husbands in Japan might like the idea of a Scold's Bridle for too chatty wives.
So about Lady Ochiba and her son... cuckoo.
That is all.
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