The Problem With the Gender “Binary” | The Problem With Jon Stewart
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- Опубліковано 7 жов 2022
- What is a woman? Suddenly, everyone’s asking, and it turns out the answer is complicated. Jon breaks down the gender binary and gender spectrum in this week’s episode.
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Jon calling himself out for his past comments first and foremost is pure class. I wish actual leaders and politicians were able to admit their faults in such a manner.
No it isn't, he is basically admitting that he flip flops if the check has enough zeros. He's a hand puppet for apple.
@@samich2220 words have meaning. By referring to someone changing their opinion over a timespan of 20 years about something that was probably never linked to any fundamental belief as "flip-flopping", you completely destroy any meaning that word ever had.
Also as a side effect you seemingly reveal a lot about yourself since you make it sound like despite ever-changing societal and evidential contexts, adapting ones own beliefs and opinions about the world is a moral failure. The classic conservative mindset I suppose, but to me that just seems obviously wrong 🤷♂
@@samich2220 changing your mind or position over time as you learn more about a subject is not flip flopping
Standing for the same position in defiance of evidence contrary to your argument or position is absolutely fucking ridiculous
No wonder they call it conservatism, y'all never want anything to change. If it were up to y'all, we would still be in caves throwing rocks at animals to kill them
@@mekullag9787100%
It feels a little...forced? He's a human, and learns like the rest of us. Back then, he probably had no idea, like most of us, about these issues. Him shitting on his past self that probably couldn't have known better feels like overly bending the knee as to not piss off the Twitter mob.
"A woman is 30 Shekels."🤣
My father was offered 10 camels in return for my sister in Turkey in 2001. He thankfully declined and we walked on. 😅
Ten camels?? She musta been a real babe!
My son in law (in collusion with my daughter) gave me 3 ornamental camels at the wedding.
@@andrewharrison8436 😂😳How do I have to picture that?
10 camels seems like a lot, was your dad drinking?
@@drewski5730 😂It was more about my sister, she's a darker kind, brunette with brown eyes. We always teased her for having the "Turkish look".
But my Dad didn't refuse a good drink either, same as me lol.
The glamour shot of John as the representative of "girly man" is hilarious, lol.
My general opinion on folks who wish to redefine their sex: it is none of my damn business. I hope it goes well for them and it makes them happy.
That’s how I see it!
I’ll call you whatever name makes you most comfortable because it doesn’t really have a effect on me.
@@themachine9000 correction...that's how all non psychopaths see it.
Tell that to me when they chemically castrate your child.
It is your business though because trans rights are human rights.
Your view couldn't be more naive given what's going on today regarding gender
I think I'm doing this wrong. I got like 12 cents and a croissant.
Thank you for the laugh😂
Would you accept 2 bagels, one with everything?
@@mickware5289 Buddhist monk goes up to the hotdog salesman, he says, "make me one with everything"
@@cattheminion gives him a twenty and waits for the hot dog man to give him some money back. He asks the hot dog man, hello where is my change? The hot dog man replies, "change comes from within"
@@crzyprplmnky HA! I didn't know that one. Good stuff.
It’s great that John is willing to admit that not everything he said in the past was correct and that it was reductive. We grow as people and if you are the same person now as twenty years ago then you are doing something wrong.
No he was right then . He’s wrong now
A few hours ago I wrote that there are two genders and if you dont agree with basic biology you should get in touch with a specialist ... And the comment is gone. Posting a second one. Thanks Google.
A 15-year-old castrating himself is "informed consent", but an 18-year-old taking out a college loan is "predatory lending".
@@Brendan.Day76 Well don't you sound uncertain about your sexuality, in fact you're confused about EVERYTHING!
@@iainherridge6253 Stop projecting (:
I vote for people to live their lives whatever it makes them confortable without losing basic human decency
@@ixlnxsI hope you know no one’s forcing kids to transition and that percentage of people who “detransition” is highly inflated, it’s closer to 1-4 percent and even then 75% of that is because those trans people are forced to detransition or pressured to detransition by other people
@@itsthehammanshow4929 Talk to detransitioners. Seriously.
@@ixlnxs talk to trans people, seriously, and the by saying that; doesn’t disprove my point lol
@@itsthehammanshow4929 I know a few transsexuals. Not transtrenders, actual transsexuals who did the whole process. And they agree it should not be allowed on minors like Jackie Green, Jazz Jennings and so many others.
@@ixlnxs bro I hope you know no minors are changing their sex, at least not on a large scale, maybe few, very few talking about under the hundreds, and even then it’s because their lives because of their mental health is in danger, the most trans people do that are under 18 are socially change, no one is forcing little kids to transition and anyone who says that is insane
"there are only two genders!"
Lewis Black: But have you seen Madonna's backup dancers?
They are still one gender or the other. Madonna on the other hand is a different species
@@mattpowell6291 People mistake sex and gender. You'd never talk about gender in a biology sense. And even in a biology sense cross gene recombination makes the subject more nuanced than what your typical person would give it credit for. The sex binary is really only useful to the degree that we know that if you pair a person up with a penis up with a person with a vagina, then they'll probably be able to produce another person; and that we know the chromosome sequence that'll most likely lead to a person having one or the other. That doesn't really say a lot about who that person is, but society uses it as a way to say who you are, and who you should be. When people are talking about gender they're really talking about a much larger conversation. I personally think trans people would enjoy more success if they attacked the idea of sex identity, instead of doubling down on it by trying to expand the definition.
I never thought he was funny, even when I was a fan of The Daily Show.
Was.
@@ribbrascal1065 dawg is funny but you do you.
@@TheOnesWhoLost will
I do agree that Elmo, Grimace, and Xenomorph are the representations we need between the binary
🤣
I like Jon, but all of these & i mean ALL of these parents have no idea what they are doing, im gonna write it again, THESE PARENTS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
Jurassic park Ian Malcom dialogue - Nobody controls Nature, life finds a way and people who thinks they are controlling the population of dinos by controlling reproductive organs are only delaying the inevitable and people are gonna DIE.
in reference to humans mutilating their genitalia are going to soon find out when their own kids BRAIN develops and understand they cant have anymore what they were Born With 😤. Idiots. Literally fucking idiots parents. The least they can do is tell their kids do whatever u want once you turn 18 noooo! We want to ruin you in your childhood so when you become adult and understand everything about life and what it means oh its gonna come back and bite them in the ass. Im seriously looking forward to families getting destroyed because they were idiots. Prove me wrong i hope.
Why begone! Xenophobe! And Anti Elmo?
How many genders do dogs have?
@@frederikhyrup2871 Which of the 100 alleged genders is your cat?
“If you haven’t changed an opinion in twenty years, check your pulse. You may be dead.” George Bernard Shaw or someone like that said it.
Since when is biology an opinion
Lol, progressives: Yes, I know when you had one apple and was gifted one more apple you only had 2 apples in the past, but today, get with the times. Now 1 plus 1 equals 5. And if you question me you are racist and a bigot.
@@andrewlance713 "Man" and "Woman" are not biological facts. They are social constructs humanity has built around biological expression of certain genetic markers, which themselves lie on a spectrum. There are a myriad of different chromosomal expressions of X and Y chromosomes that people are just fine and dandy accepting exist along with the existence of intersex people (hermaphrodites). The world would be much better if we all just accepted trans and nonbinary people in that camp instead of taking offense to their existence or the acknowledgement thereof.
I love that quote! I can’t even count how many times I’ve changed my stances with new information. Always be willing to adapt and admit you were wrong!
Scientific facts are NOT opinions!
I've always thought we were human beings first and everything else second. But that's crazy, right?
@@gianthills what are you implying here, that people who have mental illnesses aren't human?
@@lilyrosethevtuberfan did i say that? we should call mental illness what it is, not pretend it's normal.
Humans are male and female
No that's not crazy. It's actually what conservatives think as well.
@@vids595 for the wrong reasons, sure, reasons that ultimately end up undermining the meaning of "human beings first, and everything else second."
"It depends on what the meaning of the word is."
Ah yes the GI Joe to Barbie spectrum. So universal and so timeless.
A spectrum from "My name is Tarzan, I am jungle man" all the way to "I'm a Barbie girl, in a Barbie world!"
They are toys and an alpha child leaves no toy unexplored. Who watches only one tv show all their life. Variety is spicy and spicy is less boring.
Barbie is a doll, GI Joe is an action figure. They are COMPLETELY different.
@@johnbemery7922 As different as legos and mega blocks. 😄
i remember a news segment on someone essentially giving a GI Joe doll a Barbie voice with random sayings that a girly girl would say when the cord is pulled and a Barbie doll was essentially given a line of assault rifles. i thought it was funny as hell.
Then sidestepping the discussion that Matt Walsh (like him or hate him and his smug self) - the question is valid. If someone is claiming to be something, what is that something? If Jon had that discussion (maybe he does) instead of sidestepping through humor, that would have been more constructive (even if JS retained this view/opinion).
ok, what is a man?
How did he sidestep?
@@rje024 An adult human whose anatomy includes provision for the production and delivery of small gametes (sperm), even if the organs in question never achieved functionality or have ceased being functional.
Ask people. What's an apple
And you'll get tons of different answers
@@rje024 An adult human male.
Justice Brown getting asked what a woman is was purely ridiculous- Barret didn't get asked that question and Kavanagh certainly didn't asked even after Dr Ford came forward with her rape allegation against him
“Adult human female” is a possible answer to this gotcha question.
Wild that the other big name Gen X comedian from the film Half Baked can acknowledge his past off color jokes about trans people and move forward, rather than double down on them.
I'm gonna take a wild stab in the dark guess Dave Chappelle...
So, did you ever actually watch his specials, or are you just going off of what you were told about him.
Cause you should probably watch the whole thing first.
@@idontcare6662 I did, they were transphobic and he doubled down for 3 STRAIGHT stand ups about it. His talk about feeling bad and then changing his mind was just a joke set up. It wasn't real.
@SophiaAphrodite You really just see what you want to see huh?
You see, in reality, he spoke very richly about what it is to be human, that all of us are humans dealing with human problems. That we should see each other as human first and whatever irrelevant sexual identity, second. But not to go so far in the direction of over correcting, but to just make things even and respectful.
Chappelle said something transphobic? I never saw it. @@SophiaAphrodite
I’m pansexual.
I only sleep with the kitchen staff.
Do you mean the staff at the end of the kitchen broom?
Edit: your joke was funny
Hahahaa😂 @lohphat & @Anthony Twohill
Are you work in the kitchen?
@@l.w.4701 Thanks
👎
I am sad that Bowie wasn't there in the middle
Me too! Bowie and his ilk were 100% the opposite of these reactionary gender theorists. Bowie, Hendrix, Jagger, Pop, Bolan, Glitter et al proved that a man could wear a dress and make-up, dance and shriek, and still be a man. Gender theorists say the exact opposite: if a boy likes ballet, he's a girl. Gender theory is sexist and homophobic AF.
I would have put in Dr. Frankenfurter myself, just because Tim Curry seems to make everything better.
Thats actually so good
bowie transcends gender
@@charlotte_8814 To be fair, Bowie often looks like an alien that transcends this plane of existence. Like if 5th dimensional invaders show up tomorrow and they look like David Bowie personas, a good chunk of us will look at it and say "yeah, that tracks".
She wasn’t prepared to be called out, I love this for her
They never are.
There's nothing behind their beliefs aside from a burning need to deprive women, POC, and LGBTQ+ of their rights.
They're stupid bigots, all of them.
They aren't attracted to the republican party because of the things it accomplishes for people like them; they appreciate what it does _to_ people who _aren't_ like them (eg: removing rights based on their demographic).
It's pure bigotry.
jon stewart is one of the last people in the political discourse i really do trust. he is unafraid to acknowledge when he's been wrong and that's he's changed without appearing indecisive. him and nina turner keep my light of hope burning.
What was he wrong about though?
@Nothing But Silicone 🇺🇦 I think Peter meant, he doesn't trust people in the widespread political media with one exception being Jon Stewart, who he does trust. So, my guess is he's not criticizing Jon.
@@NothingButSiliconeMaking shitty reductive jokes about non binary/non conforming people -- as Jon stated in the video. Did you *watch* the clip???
@@turbojon8117but what was he wrong about though?
Wrong how?
I would love to see John interview Matt Walsh
He won’t, he’s a coward.
@@izzysantiago9714 yup Jon sure is
Matt said today that he’s 100% down to do it and doesn’t think John agree. I hope it happens
Matt Walsh doesn't like interviews that he can't manipulate, so probably not, unfortunately
@@agent6567 did you see him in Dr. Phill?
Appreciated his acknowledgement of his former jokes
This is unironically the best way for public figures to deal with past behaviour like this. Acknowledge it, be up front about it and don't try to make excuses for it (Jon even goes so far as to make himself the butt of a joke). I can't really overstate how refreshing it was to have somebody recognize their past mistakes without the "it was another time!" being added on to protect their ego.
He will go with whatever is fashionable to whatever his masters tell him
@@drewknukem9928 Yeah but what is a woman?
@@unrealeck Easy question, it's a magazine in the UK:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman_(UK_magazine)
@@unrealeck define a chair
I did not know what this video was going to be about. After watching it, I can say it is fathoms better than what I expected it to be. Great job 👏
It’s entertaining, otherwise it’s useless. Ignores the obvious, there’s a difference between how you feel about yourself and the reality of human nature. Unfounded claims of bigotry aren’t enough to counter that. If Trump claimed to be a woman for a day in office, he’d be the first female president. Let’s all enjoy more bearded, record setting female powerlifters ext.
Just wanted to give you some basic internet credit for your use of "fathoms"
@@patrick-west I realise I used the word wrong. I was in my college mess area, eating biscuits and drinking tea while typing with one hand. I will do better henceforth.
Notice how he still didn’t answer the question
Making shit up and passing it off as wisdom is a "great job"?
Here's how traditionalists REALLY see it - There are two genders: male and political. There are two races: white and political. There are two sexual orientations: straight and political.
And yet you made it political.... ironic
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black
Nope, male and female. Try again.
As with so many things, gender has suffered the drop in resolution that comes with language. We keep forgetting that language itself is short-hand for describing the world around us. If it wasn't in short-hand form it'd take forever to describe anything at all. Language would become too sluggish to use. But when we forget that, we start thinking that our definitions accurately describe the world, and so we try to fit the world within those definitions. But it doesn't fit. It never has, and never will. Whether it be gender, or any other word we've ever come up with, reality is just... bigger than a word.
This comment is excellent. I love it.
@@leilatimeful thank you :)
It's very rare to come across a comment that makes me add a whole new level of depth to the way I think about not just one, but many topics. This is one of those comments. Thanks for laying that out there.
@@njp4321 I'm glad to hear I contributed something useful to somebody!
We should be in awe of the world around us.
But instead we’re in ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! of it.
I watched a movie in 1974, I can't remember the title. The line I remember was from a woman talking about a teenage boy who was gay, and getting ridiculed by his father. She said: "Any kind of love is better than any kind of hate." I know it's just a movie, but to me it spoke volumes. I'm not gay, but I do have gay friends. I also have friends of different cultures, and of different skin tones. That one line has taught me our likenesses far outweigh our differences. As far as sexual preference, or identity, well to each their own, it doesn't make you less of a human being. Those that don't agree, well that's their right not to, but they're wrong.
Is Narcissitic-Manipulative love better then benign hate? Is it better for a mother to say "I gave you life and I can take it away" vs hating individuals who are violent and aggressive/manipulative when your discrimination services as self preservation - protection mechanism and you act on your bias when your safety - well being is at stake?
@@elypeachy3296 I suppose it’s how you define love, and if your definition allows for narcissistic-manipulative actions to be defined as expressions of love. I don’t think everything that someone who loves someone else does is an expression of that love, and so while manipulation can occur in loving relationships, I think that is something separate. Love and manipulation can be separate aspects of a complex relationship. Idk though, you made an interesting comment and you’ve got me thinking about this. Feels like college philosophy class lol
Aggressive manipulation is Not a form of love.
@@elypeachy3296 A narcissist is incapable of loving anything, or anyone that doesn't benefit the narcissist. A mother who says that to their child, is usually disciplining the child, not hating the child. My mother said similar things to me while I was growing up. I watched her take her last breath knowing she loved me. I personally abhor violence, it serves no real purpose. I've defended myself, but the individuals who attacked me aren't worth my effort of hating them, and most were causation. So I should hate all causations? If human beings continue to separate themselves by skin color, or where they were born, racism will exist. If hetrosexual people see those who are of different orientation as less than human, homophobia will exist. The phrase 'Live and let Live' comes to mind.
@@elypeachy3296 "I gave you life and I can take it away" sounds like a death threat to be honest.
Right!!! Is the best Word
Have to kneel before "current thing." Absolutely embarrassing for someone who was branded as someone who spoke truth to power.
Conservatism has never worked or made a society better. all you're trying to do is take away people's freedom and bodily autonomy, you unamerican waste of space.
What is the definition of a Woman ?
Answer: Yo MAMA
(it works on various levels)
Nice burn!!!!
Nice
But what if yo momma identifies as non binary?
@@abelgonzales3695 no such thing.
@@anttikristian4060 actually there is champ, many people are born with both sets of genitals. All your fascist nonsense is cherry picked horseshit, from abortion to jews and covid. That's why ten times more of you died from it
I definitely will adopt the term 'high rolling bimbo'.
I def laughed at the delivery of that one
I’m the Queen of high rolling bad decisions
Lol I spit my drink bruh 💀💀
Good luck bimbo
I am an out and proud high rolling bimbo and my pronouns are "dirty", "rich" and "beautiful"
I love how frames this bit in a leftist way by throwing the right's talking points in their own faces.
In 99% of situations, it...kinda doesn't matter, right? Just wear what you want, sleep with who you want, and be generally kind to others. There's still a couple small things that'll need to be figured out, but hell, just that alone gets you most of the way there no?
1% remaining is for child consent, sports, bathrooms, and compelled language.
What about boys with raging penis who claim to be girls just to shower at the girls bathroom? Because it's happened at some school
No, not really
In 99% of situations, it absolutely does matter. A straight person doesn't want to sleep with someone of their own gender. A gay person doesn't want to sleep with someone of the opposite gender. By deliberately obfuscating gender recognition and importance, you open the door for misunderstandings and general societal breakdown.
@@networknomad5600 What a rigid way of thinking. No one's forcing you to sleep with anyone you don't want to. Believe me, surgery has not improved to the point that you wouldn't be able to tell by the hardware, you're not going to get "tricked". I'm straight and married btw, so this isn't the least bit personal. Dress how you want, fuck who you want, relax and enjoy life, it's really that simple ✌
Straw man arguments with a laugh track are still straw man arguments. I don't think anyone doubted that there were degrees of masculinity and femininity among people.
Exactly
Yeah he already lost me when I realized there was a laugh track, then he went on to not disprove anything.. and I'm actually a huge Jon Stewart fan. No one said there's not different ways to describe men and women within the biological confines of male and female.
Being nice to people doesn't mean you have to completely abdicate foundational science to protect their feelings.
@@GeronimoPlaz If people choose to play along with the pronouns a trans person wants to be refered by, it is as a matter of courtesy, not because the trans person has actually changed sex. On the other hand, how the legal system categorizes people's sex should be based on biological reality, not based on self-identification.
@@dandrechesterfield5411 Stewart has always been bought and paid for.
The first list were not genders but rather variations of male and female expressions...
He’s a clone
Correct. These ideologues can't even logically define their own terms. They are simply seeking the POWER which comes from calling others "BIGOTS".
Exactly.
@@coolchannelforpostingcoolv8331 You can express yourself however you want and still accept you're a man. You don't need to call yourself a woman to do it.
The fun starts when you start to define gender. So, what IS it .... _exactly?_
There have been several attempts to put this very, very simple question to bed. And they've all pretty much failed at some point. Is it chromosomes? Oooh, whew.... turns out there are more than two possibilities for those. So, is it the blend of testosterone or estrogen? Haha, welllll.... so, funny story there. OK. It's got to be anatomy, right? No mistaking that one, eh? Why not go ahead and Google that and let me know what you find.
So, then... what exactly _IS_ a woman? I'll wait while you, or Ted Cruz, or anyone... can go out and put together a definition that doesn't smack head-first into an example that proves it's not an accurate indicator. Take your time.
Hi everyone! To all the confused people around here - you're observing something most people never get to notice: that reality exceeds our language.
Did you know that "blue" didn't always exist? At least in language. Homer described sea as "wine dark." Does that mean that in his times, the sea was a different color? It was red?
People don't stop being real just because our words don't quite cover them yet.
They invented a new word for blue. They don't do that for trans-women, they say "trans-women are women."
In objective reality, red is not blue. Likewise men are not women. So make up a word that covers men who want to be, or think they are women. Girl and woman are taken.
@@Mel-wn9gb what is the color blue?
@@Dennis-nc3vwyes, new words can be invented, and existing words can change definitions. Because language is a social construct, and not a naturally occurring phenomena, with no way to find the “true” meaning of a word.
@@benwetzel8449 Blue is an abstract concept. Women are not. That's why the term 'woman' is a concrete noun, not an abstract one. Women are female human beings. You can see, hear, smell, touch and hear us. I know it's a struggle for some people to accept our humanity, but just deal with it fellas.
There are some cultures with three genders but they are statically rare.
I respect him for being able to call out his own past on this issue. It helps me feel able to trust his recent actions like that interview with the politician from Arkansas a hell of a lot more than I would have otherwise.
What do you mean? How can you trust denying biological reality?
@@serpentines6356 You mean like you’re doing right now? We literally have numbers on this stuff now. Every fetus ever birthed starts out as female and only differentiates as a series of genes either are or aren’t activated throughout gestation. Something like 1 in 20,000 babies is born intersex because these genes don’t activate “properly” and the doctor has to determine at birth which box the baby fits into better. Thing is, doctors can be wrong sometimes. We literally have evidence of the actual biological reality you’re so bent on denying.
I respect your sexual urges, not common sense...
@@moekrinkle5771 “Common sense” convinces quite a lot of people to believe quite a lot of bullshit throughout history. Not too long ago, it was common sense knowledge that the body was composed of four major fluids called “humors,” and the balance between those fluids determined your health.
@@serpentines6356 "trans people deny biological reality" really is a bit of a strawman. Trans people aren't denying that biology exists, they just disagree that biology should influence the vast majority of gendered interactions. If you're meeting a friend for dinner, the shape of her genitals should not dictate weather or not you tell the waiter "I'm waiting for a man" or "I'm waiting for a woman."
Matt Walsh vs Jon Stewart. Let's see it.
if the question is "what is a woman" we already know Matt will win... Stewart seems to be confused.
You are much too generous. Confused induces the impression that the person in front of you is genuine and it was lost the logical argumentation for a second but we all see that it is not the case in this video.
Matt has facts and Jon has feelings. Facts would win.
Stewart would get annihilated cause all he can say is "uhh well the experts making billions off of butchering kids say it's a good thing."
Has anyone noticed how Jon channels Charlton Heston's voice sometimes? Funny thing considering Mr. Heston's political views...
We also need to acknowledge that Trans people were seen as normal in Indigenous cultures, and it was the West that pushed the binary on everyone else
Human sacrifice was also seen as normal, let's put that on beer advertisements as well
Do you know what personality means?
That falls under the same umbrella as "gotcha questions that sound obvious but aren't if you actually think about it".
No, no. Every personality is a gender with its own flag! Please educate yourself and get yourself a flag. Look up the flag for "cis het", it's a lot of fun.
yeap, these people will twist words and concepts to fool and be fooled. It's a sad thing
That's all it is.
Evidentially he also doesn't know what definition means either...
Love it!
People are asking the wrong question. We shouldnt be asking what is a man/woman. We should be asking how can we improve the world so everyone feels safe and accepted. Its not an easy question to answer but it is a positive step towards a better future. And it comes from a place not of fear and control but of empathy and openness.
Is it the "wrong question" just because you can't answer it?.
@@meab12 How bout you answer it, and before you say "human female who can give birth", remember that some cis women are infertile.
@@korganrocks3995 adult human female.
@@meab12 Great, so someone born male who has had surgery and is now indistinguishable from a cis woman counts?
Seems being open minded now is to the point of your brains falling out
Dude. Why the woke BS?
I don't get his point.
I can call him a crap talk show host but he's still a.....
Talk show host
His point is that there are a lot of people who say that there are only two gender and then start to divide those two in more/ and the second part is that the definition of what a women is has changed and developed and changed with time and culture...
@@Asoraso4ever
Gender does not change.
Just like there are different types of apples. But it's still an apple 🍏.
And those that believe in two genders don't believe in a spectrum. Non-binary people do that. Then use that to say there are more than two genders.
Which there isn't. You can have differences and nuances in any one gender but ultimately the chromosomes tell you exactly what gender that person is. And that specific identity in the real natural world is non-negotiable.
And that was the point of my original comment. John Stewart features on the chat show host spectrum that starts with really good ones and ends with really bad ones. I don't know where John Stewart features on that spectrum but regardless he doesn't suddenly become an electrician or a plumber. He remains a chat show host albeit a bad or good one. Same way a man can feature on the masculinity spectrum but wherever he places on that spectrum he's STILL A MAN
And by the way I say this without any bigotry or malice. Frankly speaking if you want to call yourself non-binary I really don't give a flying monkey. Just don't try and change science
There are women and there are men. They are all free to live their lives any way they choose. There are no ways that a woman must behave to be a woman or a man to be a man..
Yeah, isn't it crazy? The alt-left has continued to become *less* inclusive. Instead of letting people not be 'in a box', they've instead decided to form an infinite number of boxes that you can choose to sort yourself into. Which is mad on its own. But with this one, they've decided that even rudimentary physiology shouldn't get in the way of their filing methods.
Except that they aren’t free to do just that.
Not women anyway.
I really don’t think what is a woman is a gotcha question
It is though. Allow me to explain:
If you answer with something to the tune of "a feminine identifying human individual", which denotes gender, rather than sex (and is accurate), the person posing the question will immediately refuse the answer, because they didn't get what they wanted.
Woman does not refer to sex, but to gender, but the person posing the question is seeking to conflate the two. As such, the only answer they will accept is "A female" which is not *technically* correct, given the fact that it leaves out trans people.
It's an intellectually dishonest question, because they're fishing for only one answer, even though there's other acceptable answers available to the question if it's asked by someone who isn't a transphobe.
@@seanrobinson7464 that’s the thing though there is not more than one answer a woman has a uterus and a man has a penis
That’s my opinion and we can agree to disagree
@@seanrobinson7464 also do you see how short and to the point my answer is while your answer is about three paragraphs long
@@Anastasiabeaverhausen275 How about someone with persistent mullerian duct syndrome? They have both a penis and a uterus/fallopian tubes.
@@halwakka504 Come on now you’re grasping at straws
Matt Walsh has a great rebuttal to this, way more views, way more subs. If Jon wants me to agree with him, I'd love to see him interview Matt Walsh, instead of someone who doesn't know how to debate.
I identify as a loaf of bread...
yum
I am just a mere potato 🥔
The AG of Arkansas interview was painful...
"I didn't prepare for a supreme court hearing"
Children is high school come better prepared for an history essay than she did legislation which is stripping the rights of parents and vulnerable trans youth.
Jon just became so much better, admitting your mistake and moving past them is the most mature and intelligent thing a person can do
A 15-year-old castrating himself is "informed consent", but an 18-year-old taking out a college loan is "predatory lending"
Bill Maher truly seems like a bitter old man in comparison now
@@nelsonth because that’s literally what he is, unfortunately
@@nelsonth Maher was a bitter young man, too.
You're right, but you skipped a step: 1) Admitting your mistake. 2) Making amends and/or offering reparations and/or making material changes in the way you do things so those mistakes don't happen again. 3) Moving past the mistake.💯 (Stewart discussed step 2 on the show about racial and class diversity on his show--both on-air and in the writer's room--and how paying interns broadened and diversified the pool of talent that they hired from.)
Aristotle spittin bars
Here is a simple one that most humans will not understand. Let each individual be what they want to be.
I want to be black and tall and good at basket ball.
AND there are individuals wo have different beliefs than "you" do, that is also reality
Trans people want society to agree with them. They sue groups that want to divide people by sex rather than self-id. They force rapists who identify as trans into women’s prisons. 10 years ago, I had no issues with trans people, but far too many of them say that women cannot have groups that exclude people with penises and even threaten to kill women who want spaces without penis owners
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Cute, so when a 6-feet-tall man decides he wants to be a woman, puts on a dress, and walks into the women's bathroom while other women are there, I suppose we should all just let him be what he wants to be, right? It's funny how people seem to live under a rock and not realize that this insanity has serious implications in real life, especially for us women.
Your perception of reality is your own
Actual reality is objective
Gender is binary
Personality traits are now abborations in gender?
Haven't you noticed this entire conversation is based around the misconception of the meaning of the words personality and gender. Change "gender" to "personality' and all of a sudden everything makes sense. The reason they are trying to invent their personality into a gender is you cant get victim status from your personality, but gender........
Don't try to make sense of it. Just stick to science and ignore these people. Vote red for the next 6 years and this crap will go away. It's just Pharma controlling the left and trying to make more money for themselves. It's truly that simple. Healthcare/pharma controls the Democrats and liberal media, and trans care and surgeries make incredible amounts of money.
The left changes language to suit their needs
The "I like watching the stars at night, I'm stargendered" joke from 2005 is taken as something real now. Fascinating really.
These new genders are socially constructed personality trait categories. They literally state that gender is a social construct. Which is why it should be treated with the same levity as declaring yourself a Capricorn or a Virgo.
I like that Jon is willing to admit his mistakes.
He said late 90s, early 2000s, but I'm pretty sure he was making jokes about trans women throughout his tenure at The Daily Show. Colbert even more so, and more recently
Just another reason why John was making amazing president
What mistake? That people are born as male or female? That those who disagree need to consult a specialist rather than be given tribune?
@@SDKSeizO that's a lot of words for "I didn't make it half way into the video before commenting on the video"
@@myfavvidz I think the point is that he was making them as recently as 2000s
I'm so glad your here John Stewart, I want to see you debate Tucker.
He did. It was Epic. The video is up on UA-cam somewhere.
All recorded history we have known what a male and female horse is.
Nobobdy tell him about seahorses.
@@NationalistsRuinAmerica male and female seahorses exist. What's the point of this comment?
@@nataliekhanyola5669 Seahorses can just change their sex if necessary
The problem with cognitive dissonance.
The hardest thing a person can do is re-examine themselves. Simply calling this cognitive dissonance disregards all of the work and self reflection it takes to consider new ideas and positions that contradict your own. Improving equity for everyone will require change, and forward thinking, and the willingness to consider conflicting ideas otherwise there will be no growth. This is not cognitive dissonance, this is the product of ugly work called self reflection and we could all benefit from doing a bit more of this otherwise we risk getting left behind in a world that moves forward without us. Dont be the caveman, be the Renaissance man... and or woman, or non-binary 😁
@@gradeabutt By a washed up comedian? Ok...
@@gradeabutt washed UP actually, not out. Though now that you mention it, he does look a bit pale and sickly. Stewart lost his popularity and edge years ago. Washed up, no longer relevant.
@@gradeabutt R3t4rd 4l3rt!
@@thisisfine681 not happening, trans women are not real women. Sorry not sorry.
Those quotes from Aristotle, the Bible, and a few others were incredible! Never heard of those before.
I have which is one of many reasons, I detest the bible.
@@lovefist86 I wish the Bible was sold in the fiction section of a book store instead of the non-fiction/self-help area.
At best, it's historical fiction, but still fiction.
Whoever posted this cut off the follow part of a Republican woman standing up in court, when asked what a woman is declared "a woman is made by God from the rib of Adam" "who then had 3 son's who set about populating the Earth" think about that one for minute. :D
These quotes prove nothing. The men who said those words were assigning value to women , they were all quite clear on what a woman was. This is a pathetic attempt.
I had not heard of that Leviticus verse either. (It continues on thru about verse 8)
Leviticus 27:2 - 5
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When a man shall make a singular vow, the persons shall be for the Lord by thy estimation.
3 And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary.
4 And if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels.
5 And if it be from five years old even unto twenty years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male twenty shekels, and for the female ten shekels.
Had to pause the video and laugh when Arnold Schwarzenegger came on screen saying "girly man!" The former Governator of California is not wrong in decrying all of the puny people whose limbs he could snap like twigs. We need to pump them up!
Like yourself I’m sure
@@averagejoe6031 😆 I can confirm, I also have the puny arms of a girly man; we need to pump them up!
Then why are you staring at a screen and typing comments on a UA-cam video? Go pump yourself up, puny boy!
@@kylenguyen7371 i apreciate the girly arms
All I am seeing is old SNL skits of Hanz and Franz. I don't think most of the people reading this picked up on the joke. ua-cam.com/video/7Mk1nykjnYA/v-deo.html
Here’s the problem with shows like this were no solution is spoken and they miss the whole point of it
What is the problem? There's no problem that I can see. This is a public service announcement for all I care.
The interesting part to me is that the less traditionally masculine the Republican, the more loudly and angrily they seem to wanna talk about masculinity.
Kinda like their big trucks and big guns and itty bitty teency weency peckers.
Lindsey Graham comes to mind. Lindsey is probably one of the Republicans Madison Cawthorn was referring to when he talked about DC sex parties being held by people he used to admire. It's mostly his accent but also the inflection he uses, but there's stuff about the fella that always comes across as oddly awkward, forced, even a bit - well, I don't know if it's okay to use the "Q" word so I'll not but it's a shame because the word works so well for him.
Short man syndrome is a thing, not every man, but a preponderance. The shorter (5’7” and less) the guy, the louder the mouth in attempting to pull others down a notch so he can stand in their back. I have only befriended one man of short stature (5’5” ish) that I perceived as having self confidence.
@@sandrahildebrand4283 I know a few self confident short men. And agree - the syndrome exists for many.
When your twisted view of reality tells you you'll never meet the ridiculous standards of what a "true man" (or whatever definition you're using) is, you can either give up on your misguided beliefs or double down by raging about how every one of your opponents isn't man enough to match you.
Odd that he left out straw man in his list...
@Maester Gryphon Actually several of his episodes have been very well done and fair to both sides. I commented on this one because it felt out of character for him to be so one-sided. Have you watched his interview with Senator Booker? That's my favorite one of his new show so far.
@Maester Gryphon fairly conservative myself (though that label isn't as cut and dry as it once was). Always looking for common ground, however.
@@snoopy104 Do you mean that it isn't as cut and dry since conservatives these days are split between people who actually still believe in conservative ideals and the people who will vote Republican despite them going against just about everything they used to claim to stand for?
@@korganrocks3995 Pretty much, yes.
@@snoopy104 How do you deal with that, if you don't mind me asking? Do you hold your nose and vote R anyway, do you vote for a moderate D or someone else altogether?
I love how he don't even have the balls to answer the question
... how he doesn't*
These folks who asking what a woman is should read The Second Sex and study that for like a year. Start there.
An ADULT HUMAN FEMALE! That's What a woman is.
A girl that does stereotypically boy things is not less of a girl. A woman that has short hair or does wear a dress or make up is not less of a woman. Stereotypes do not make someone a woman being an adult human female does.
@@coolchannelforpostingcoolv8331 That's exactly what it is. It's delusional males acting out sexist sterotypes and aggresively making dumb demands of society. NO, there is no such thing as a "gendered brain" or "gendered soul".
@@coolchannelforpostingcoolv8331 Then what exactly is it ??
If it's not about outward appearance and perception why have surgery, why take hormones, why wear typically female clothes, why insist on female pronouns ??
@@coolchannelforpostingcoolv8331 trans people aren’t the only ones included in this discussion… but this person has the right to believe that a man with gender dysphoria who takes treatments and has surgeries to “present” and “pass” as a woman is still biologically male.
@@coolchannelforpostingcoolv8331 It's people's inability to come to terms with the difference between their preferred behavior and their perceived expectations of gender norms by everyone else. They don't think they align with what everyone else expects someone of their gender to act like, so they say they're something else. It's fantasy nonsense and helps nobody. If you're a masculine female, go do it. Just stop calling yourself a man. You can't change your chromosomes. You're helping nobody and you're actively permanently harming thousands of children by supporting this nonsense.
This is all just a marketing ploy for Healthcare/Pharma to make money. Getting hundreds of thousands of kids roped into this madness will make billions of dollars per year. Healthcare/pharma completely controls democrats and liberal media. That's all this is. They've been doing it since the Flexner Report in 1910.
@@coolchannelforpostingcoolv8331 how do you feel about those who say trans women are women but also biologically male
This show would be more successful if they’d just put the whole episodes on UA-cam like John Oliver
I mean it's the current year. Come on!
Agreed
John Oliver is also not fully on UA-cam, only his main or considered most important bits ;) .
@@Dutch3DMaster yup. and john has a much better format, is funnier, and doesnt ONLY do biased and political stories. thats why he has almost ten times as many subs. stewart is using a dead format. very similar to kimmel and that guy on after jimmy. aka, just only share one side and say you are right. lol. its like im watching fox news over here. idk when apple decided to try and just be fox news for the left.
@@Read.A.Journal.Article lol John Oliver is most certainly biased to the same level as Jon Stewart. Do we watch the same show? Don't get me wrong I like both of them but to claim Oliver is somehow more neutral is a farce
What is a woman then ? John care to answer
He knows this is an incoherent worldview, which is why he has to strawman those who disagree with it.
What is a person, Burpreet?
@@hilariousname6826 an individual human being is a person
Wrong! Well, according to the SCOTUS, anyway ....@@GurpreetSingh-db9nh
@@Vic2point0 exactly , this guy just lies and manipulates facts so confidently like he is the most honest person ever
A loaf of bread?
Wake up babe, new gender just dropped!
It's still fractal. There are yeasty breads, dry breads, stiff breads, doughy breads. Some are the baguette, others are the loaf, some are the sourdough starter...
Sex refers to one's biology. There are two sexes; male and female.
Gender refers to the characteristics typically associated with one's sex. There are two genders; masculine and feminine.
Given every human being exhibits both masculine and feminine characteristics, it is safe to assume there are as many ways to express one's gender, as there are people on the planet - making every individual beautifully and perfectly unique!
(This view is science-based classic liberalism, which celebrates the individual.)
On the other hand, the painfully confusing trend to ignore biology entirely and insist there are a bazillion genders (each one baring its own label), is based on a political calculation that relies on gaslighting, group dynamics, and public shaming, to press home its 'collectivist' agenda.
As a classic liberal, I find this 'progressive' approach to sex/gender politics exceedingly uncomfortable and counter-productive.
... and I look forward to the day when it's just o.k. to be who we are, and not what politicians, activists, celebrities, and ideologues, want us to be!
Why do they feel the need to unnecessarily multiply entities to convey a simple concept? Masculinity and femininity? Wow! It’s almost like there are masculine females and feminine males already in existence, and there isn’t a real need for an exclusive label to feed your ego!
Much of this is mostly true, buy key parts of your assertions are misleading or blatantly false. There are never really binaries in nature. There are always exceptions that make these traits bimodal, not binary.
1. There are at least three sexes, including male, female, and intersex people. The exception doesn't make the rule, but by definition sex isn't a binary.
2. Gender are the expression of sex, there it is strongly correlated, however it isn't 1 to 1. A great example of these are that masculinity and feminity is not universal across cultures, not even across time where we have baby photos of Presidents in dresses. We also have documented evidence of cultures with third genders with some being recognized in our society. As a social construct, gender is still real, but arbitrary and malleable. You shouldn't be arguing from the POV of why are these people trying to create more genders, but instead for the moral or ethical necessity for no doing so.
@@TMKing_MS 1. intersex people is not a third sex, is a combination of the other 2, usually is still either male or female, with some disorder causing ambiguity... but its wrong to consider it a 3rd sex... Anatomy for the production of gametes is what defines "sex" there are only sperm and ova. Only 2 sexes.
2. Gender are generalizations of the sexes in a society, what we understand as "feminine" and "masculine" (those are the only 2 genders)... the problem is people confusing being "feminine" with being a "woman"... a woman is an "adult female human"
@@TMKing_MS There are two sexes, and the exception PROVES the rule. No valid medical consensus suggests a bodily abnormality inhibiting reproductivity or causing bodily ambiguity is indicative of a new archetype of sex identification.
These beliefs indicate that you would rather support "radical acceptance" where you would recommend that people seek to accept their biological sex as their gender, where the evidence shows that this ideology increases suicidality and ideation there of.
*Source*: Austin et al. 2020
You have not provided an argument. You have merely caricatured your opponent.
You mean like a republican debate?
@@Asoraso4ever Intellectually dishonesty from one side does not justify intellectual dishonesty from the other. At a certain point, you have to step outside of this partisan worldview and try to understand an argument in and of itself.
I keep telling people. Why are people so concerned with weather their gender is represented when we still have no representation for the common man in government?
Or people who know the difference between whether and weather
@@lenawagenfuehr53 Or whether people know how to use punctuation to end a sentence?
Debate Matt Walsh.
ua-cam.com/video/RoDAhIl89iU/v-deo.html
Do it, Jon. We dare you.
He should debate Dr. Debra Soh instead.
LOL, debating someone as dumb as Matt is a waste of time. It's like talking to a trash.
A pair of shoelaces could debate Matt Walsh...a door labeled "pull" could debate Matt Walsh
"An adult human female".
I truly don't understand the confusion here.
It's generally accepted in the circles that study it now that sex and gender are two different concepts. Even then, there are many trans men that would meet most medical standards of what it means to be male.
I would be HONORED to be called a "gIrLy MaN" by the pregnant Dr. Alex Hesse from the 1994 movie Junior
I still rewatch the old daily show and it's a good thing he recognises he wasnt always on point. But at the same time, few people are
If only people could all understand what you are saying. People can change and do! Continually holding everyone accountable for their past words is not how we build empathy. Many people with transphobic thoughts today will come around in the future. It’s inevitable. We need to have some grace and allow for mistakes.
That's the opinion of current day you, what did past you think? 🤔
@@Yor_gamma_ix_bae I think people are trying to get famous people to own up to their past... Most of it anyway... Some just wana see the world burn.
A 15-year-old castrating himself is "informed consent", but an 18-year-old taking out a college loan is "predatory lending"
He was more on point before. Now he's completely sold out to degenerate globalist groupthink.
I'm surprised (maybe I shouldn't be) he didn't didn't ask Matt Walsh to be on the show or be interviewed. I would have loved to see a real discussion with someone who would actually push back.
Jon wouldn't last in a debate
Why would he ask a groomer to be in his show? 🤔
@@killbotone6210 lol I'm guessing you are referring to that pathetic "take down " of Matt in his youth as a radio host?
You do understand that when someone points a historical point that they don't necessarily condone it right
@@b.melakail No I'm talking about 48 hours ago when Matt said " I haven't changed my mind on that issue"...🙈🤣🤣🤣
But sure if consider 48 hours ago to be " historical" off you ho lmao.
Yeah, but on Matt's defense, there is no real discussion to be had with someone like Jon Stewart...he will just trot out the same emotional pseudo-arguments that appeared in the movie. Then, despite being thoroughly eviscerated, he would do a victory dance and pretend that it was the other way around. If all else fails, he will step back and say "hey, I'm just a comedian, I don't know anything about this science stuff". You can't debate with someone whose whole shtick is being a phony.
There are two sexes, men and woman, that isn't a 'traditionalist' view, it is science. Gender identity is a separate thing. John Stewart seemed to kind of avoid the issue by using some bizarre definitions from history, none of them scientists.
Yes, random mysogenistic statements about women from the ages is hardly comparable to attempts at scientific definitions.
Your science is out dated please do some actual research 🙄🙄🙄
@@lucylikesthebeatles52726 the latest science is there are only 2 sexes. No third sex has been discovered,right?
We’ll I agree with you
Except science doesn’t say that. It has shown myriad ways in which sex isn’t always binary, in the animal kingdom in general and in humans in particular. And this isn’t just about anomalies (rare mutations, etc.). The spectrum exists on more than just a rare mutational basis.
If you actually want to use science as the basis of your claim, ask for details. I won’t bother going into detail if your purpose is just to deny.
When you are identified as bread before you are female.
But in reality there are two genders.
I’ll never understand why some waste energy on persecuting people who are just different. I know it goes deep into tribalisms and fear. Just live and let live that frees us all
To them, they find the idea of calling people they don't recognize as women as absurd as calling someone they don't recognize as a cat a cat.
Or something like that
"the world's not a stage, it's a primary school playground." - tism
@@peterbullen4956 True, a popularity contest mostly, however some are more civilized than others, or brought up to be mindful, decent and caring adults.
It's instinct really, the driving force of evolution to improve the species. Ignoring instincts is really hard. You want to get ahead, so you can do two things: Go forward or push everyone else backward.
@@freddiesimmons1394 well you want us to call people something they arent... a woman is an adult female human... woman is not "feminine person".
Great to see him back behind the desk. As for what is a woman? Simple: Adult Human Female. Someone should put that on a t-shirt.
Keep the good stuff coming!
Signed 🥖
Right ,but why didn’t jon tell that to his buddy Dave Chappell when they were on tour together?
Why didn't he tell him...on WEED?
Money money money money here comes the money!
He's prob got sponsored by the companies making those therapies.
He's already loaded
@@Hirnlego999 But loaded with what. That's the question isn't it...
The pushback on this issue really shouldn’t be boiled down to these people shouldn’t be allowed to be who they want to be. It is, as Dave Chappell said, to what extent is everyone obligated to participate in everyone else’s self image? How reasonable is the actual request being made? How respectful is the request. To what level is legislation appropriate to force compliance? I know for me and a lot of fairly leftist people from conservative backgrounds this is the bigger problem. I believe in freedom, if you can’t get your way without force then you don’t get your way in a free society. I believe in respect for one another, but if you want to introduce a big shift into another culture, you should probably not do so by insult and coercion. I fucking hate the religious right who try to do the same thing from their side, so if anyone bothers to read this don’t bother with that criticism. The presence of one crazy doesn’t legitimize an opposing crazy. We need to be reasonable and respectful to one another all as Americans and take back control of our government from the oligarchy, but no one is going to be able to force their way and retain this nation as one people and that will make us all losers, guaranteed.
Nah, Dave isn't right. What Dave, and clearly you, are ignorant of, is current legislation around much of the current, as well as proposed legislation is places that are particularly anti trans, threaten the lives and existence of trans people. The correct answer to this issue is trans people deserve the same rights as everyone else, and not to be marginalized by our society or government.
Also, come on, dude, how hard is it really to use someone's preferred pronouns when they say that's what they prefer? It takes nothing from you and yet you're waxing on like that is some kind of herculean task.
The request being made is extremely reasonable. It's a tiny, low-to-no effort thing. It neither picks your pocket nor breaks your leg. It's fine, it's easy, it makes the people around you happy, and causes them see you as a friend and a safe person. There are no downsides at all unless you actively and unnecessarily choose to bring them with you. And that is not the kind of choice I have the inclination to respect or accommodate.
@@marcussherlock6318 Exactly, I don't know why this is so hard for these people or why they act like is such a big deal.
As a mother of a daughter who identifies on the non binary spectrum, I get that this all boiled up in what seemed a very quick moment with a lot of anger. It was fermenting in discussions on the internet for much longer, though. I liken it to the women's movement. When women had enough of being treated like house slaves, they were pissed, and did not ask politely to have the right to equal work and pay. I have heard some stories of abuse toward trans people so horrific I don't want to share them. Suffice to say, the anger is justified. It's spilling over currently but try not to take it personally. It's fueling a movement that needs to happen.
I believe gender ideology has hints of conservatism in it.
There are many different types of pizza, but we know a pizza when we see one. Saying that there are different types of men and that there are different types of women doesn't mean that there are more than two genders.
This is the problem with the discussion of gender: Each side is talking about two different things and both are calling them gender!
One side defines it as biological sex and the other is talking about societal norms that are placed upon a person because of their biological sex. (Aka gender norms, but for some reason they call it gender)
Until both sides can figure that out and modify the language they use in these discussions, there will never be a productive discussion on this subject.
It's worse than that, because even biological sex is not strictly binary, since various genetic mutations can lead to indeterminate or blended biological sex.
But really, it's not that each side is talking about two different things. The fascist side understands perfectly well what the compassionate side means, but insists on basing gender roles strictly on the oversimplistic concept of strictly binary biological sexes, so that they can then reject the people who don't fit into their oversimplistic classification scheme.
All that said, the transgender community is IMHO falling into a trap of their own making, discarding decades of gender equality efforts, by accepting and even reinforcing the idea that there is one way to be a woman and one way to be a man. Far be it from me to refuse to accept someone else's statement that they "identify" as a particular gender, but I do have some unease with the implication the gender they identify with must necessarily look, act, feel, etc. a particular way. And yes, that's the implication, because if you can't associate a particular gender with a strict code of those things, then you also couldn't state your own gender identity in relation to those things.
I guess maybe this is a necessary transitional state needed so that we can come to accept that biological sex does _not_ predetermine your identity as it relates to other human beings, but I look forward to the time (maybe hundreds of years in the future, sadly) when people can just be _people_ and we can stop worrying about whether we classify them as "man" or a "woman".
I accept that there is technically a difference between gender and biology, but I think there shouldn’t be. Why should I care what imaginary box you see yourself fitting in to? If you identify as masculine or feminine or something else should not be any concern of mine unless if I express some interest in that. But using goofy pronouns makes what’s going on in your head my problem.
Also, this tends to be a very fluid thing that changes constantly. If you feel more feminine tommorow, then are you going to insist I call you by new pronouns because you don’t feel the same way as yesterday?
@@flashlightwashcloth7283 _"this tends to be a very fluid thing that changes constantly"_ -- "tends to be"? No, I'd have to disagree with that. Most transgender people feel vastly relieved once they accept their "true" gender identity, and they do not "change constantly". Occasionally, someone will decide they were mistaken, but that's not common at all. Far from it.
And for better or worse, the pronouns are all of our problem, not just the transgender people. That we have gendered pronouns at all is an understandable, but unfortunate consequence of the evolution of human language. These pronouns unnecessarily pigeonhole people into categories that while appropriate in the large majority of cases, still tend to make those who _don't_ fit into either of those categories feel like outsiders.
I see two separate issues, both lumped into the broader "transgender" question: people who subscribe to binary genders, but who feel misgendered; and people who don't feel comfortable being identified as either gender (i.e. non-binary people). For me, the latter is more understandable. As I mentioned earlier, the former group of people, instead of following the earlier trend of just rejecting gender norms altogether -- something I personally feel would be the healthier approach -- are doubling down, by choosing one of the historically defined gender roles, on the idea that there is just one way for a man to act and one way for a woman to act. That's their prerogative I guess, but I feel like in the broader social scheme, it's a short-sighted attitude, and just makes it harder for all humans in the long run.
The non-binary individuals seem to me to have more of a point, but at the same time I wonder why it should matter so much. Most transgender people, even non-binary, do have a well-defined biological sex. It's not ideal that our language uses different pronouns for people of different sex, but to me it seems like the bigger picture is that one should be able to act in whatever way they like, regardless of biological sex. It should be no big deal to accept the socially-assigned pronoun, because society should not then make assumptions about who you are based on that pronoun.
Unfortunately, large swaths of society aren't prepared to make that shift. Maybe in a hundred years, or maybe in five hundred, we'll finally be at a place where that's true. But for now, what's a transgender person supposed to do, when all around them are humans who refuse to respect their own personal feelings?
And like it or not, you're part of that society, even if you don't agree with the current social norms. So yeah, it _is_ your problem what's going on in someone else's head, because your society hasn't become enlightened enough to avoid hurting that other person on the basis on what's going on in their head.
Using the right pronoun can be confusing, and it certainly takes more conscious effort for most of us (especially us older folks) to keep up. But given how screwed up society is generally about gender and gender roles, it really is the very _least_ we can do to try to accommodate people who find themselves with really awkward or even painful feelings about the way society has viewed their own gender.
@@harvey66616 That's a whole lot of waffle considering the framing of the argument is wrong. There are two sexes, male and female. "Gender" is just being used by trans advocates to muddy the waters and unfortunately people tend to use this terminology instead of rejecting it and framing it correctly in terms of sex.
You yourself tried to muddy the waters by bringing up aberrations like XXY but these aberrations are still either male or female, there is no "third sex" (or non-sex like the ridiculous non-binary appellation).
Given that sex is binary and that a person can't change sex what you've got is various types of people with some variant of mental condition who pretend to be the opposite sex, you've got people with actual dysphoria who should have psychiatric counselling rather than being railroaded onto puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones and experimental surgery. Then you've got those who are victims of social contagion (mostly autistic females). Then you've got the transvestites and autogynophiles aka the ones that scare the shit out of women because they seem to want to trample all over womens rights and exhibit an extreme form of misogyny.
Then you've got the case of Tomboys and Femboys, girls and boys who wanted to wear different things or play with different toys or generally do things differently to most boys and girls. Instead of just letting them be, now you have trans rights activists who think that girls who wear boys clothing are actually boys and should be given hormones and surgery to change them which is abominable in my opinion.
And regarding pronouns, no one can demand how others refer to them in the third person, it's just ridiculous and speaks to a form of narcissism and controlling behaviour and should be rejected.
@@harvey66616 Thanks for your comment. Your comment untangled my thoughts and put them into words.
It’s not that hard…sperm, egg…the end
There are a few whole families of species of animals that would like a word with you.
Those determine sex. But there are also only two genders.
@@nickwallette6201 ya-and I’m referring to humans dum dum
@@judeesee894 The problem with that is, we're actually not that special. Humans, I mean.
This all seems to coalesce to some kind of shared idea that "Woman" = "Human Female", and "Female" = "One whut has the ovaries."
That doesn't actually fully encapsulate even humans, much less the entire animal kingdom.
Just as a really simple example, if you're castrated, do you cease to be male? If there are only two sexes, does that mean you're now female? What if you don't have ovaries?
And yeah, that's kind of an edge case, but the fact is, _every single definition_ we choose falls down at some point, just like that one. None of them are perfect.
That's the point. In total the edge cases don't make up a majority, but there are a striking number of them, and they vary considerably. That's a large number of people that just don't get to have a term that describes them, with another large group of people who are bizarrely fixated on trying to shut down their quest to figure out a solution for that -- as if it has any actual impact on their lives.
No, we have to ask why they want to define anything. (And it's always the woman, never the man!) Because they want to take rights away, insisting the one who needs defining is "the other" who needs our benevolent protection...🙄
I especially like the false equivalence fallacy of conflating "tomboy" and other terms wholly unrelated to gender, with a gender.
Damn the comments are full of people completely missing the point
@@phantasm232 Oh do tell. I can't wait to hear this. I can't wait to hear how a fallacious argument, has a point. You just failed rationality 101 btw.
Of course, since you are a coward devoid of a point, you'll just run away. Or even better, respond with an epic self 0wn ROTFL
@@phantasm232 and what is the point? or how many genders u think exist? gimme a number between 0 and 600
If you think "tomboy" is a term wholly unrelated to gender, you're misunderstanding the word "tomboy" or the word "gender", or both...
@@alisonhill3941 If you think "tomboy" is a term remotely related to gender, you're misunderstanding the word "tomboy" or the word "gender", or likely, most everything in reality...because you just failed rationality 101 with the proof by assertion fallacy, that, and every dictionary on the planet, utterly debunks you.
I thank you, for your public, and hilarious, epic self 0wn🤣🤣🤣 Next!
Invite Matt Walsh to talk about this!
He's a coward, he won't
As if Matt Walsh has anything to offer of value.
@@MathewSteeleAtheology both sides think this of each other, but people seeing a debate has value. If there's little substance then it should be an easy debate, again, try being less of a coward.
@@SaviorMachine84 Except there's no reason to have any fear whatsoever, so it's pretty silly to be called a coward of this nonsense when even I would utterly embarrass Walsh in a "debate" on this.
@@MathewSteeleAtheology ahh, the token psuedo-intellectual in the youtube comment section.
can someone please explain why we can't define woman?
Because the whole things a scam. It is a dialectical inversion in which stage 1 is conflation and stage 2 is an inversion.
Is it reasonable that I feel like greater regulation of predatory hoa policies is a more pressing need in the political arena than what sport or bathroom certain people's can or can't play/ use?
It is if you’re not a female athlete trying to get a scholarship?
That gotcha question is pretty easy to answer. What is a Women? Any human being with female reproductive organs and double X chromosome. Why is that so controversial?
It’s only controversial for those with an agenda.
@@AnthonyBSusan Can we just agree that anyone can have an agenda. Including Conservative politicians trying to use this issue to scare you into voting for them.
@@AnthonyBSusan I'd add conservative writers and commentators have every incentive to make this a big issue so they can sale books and book interviews, etc.
Agree it very simple. a woman is an adult human female. Its easy to and ill breakdown each Adult, Human, and Female. An adult is any member of a species that reached their average age of reproduction for members of their species. A human is a member of the species, homo sapiens. A female is someone whose reproductive anatomy working as it should or not doesnt matter, is organized around development of the production of small gametes or eggs
We have a set list of what a man or woman is. From your DNA, bones, chromosome, genitals, reproduction capability, ect. You are male or female, there is no 3rd pick. Some of those are much more important than others and one thing that is irrelevant is feelings/belief. Feelings/belief isnt truth, isnt facts, and isnt scientific. Your body will lean more towards one of the 2 genders. Whatever that is, is the gender that you are. By the scientific/ biology definition, we have on woman and man.
Because men in dresses are upset and refuse to accept reality.
Ahhh ur reaching Jon
Those are called character traits.
@@gradeabutt its amazing that u dont get there are males and females
End of discussion
Pop quiz: Define what makes someone male. The exact criteria.
That's what the "what is a woman" gotcha question is all about. It's really easy to act smug like you've got all the answers. Those people who had trouble defining it knew enough to know that whatever they said -- whatever attribute you claim is the magic ingredient that picks your color from the blue/pink spectrum -- can be promptly proven insufficient.
So, if it's that clear-cut, settle the debate. The difference is ________ .
@@nickwallette6201 Ok.
Man: Adult Human Male
Male: of or denoting the sex that produces small, typically motile gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring.
Woman: Adult Human Female.
Female: of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes.
The end
@@nickwallette6201 biologically male individuals have one x and one y chromosome
@@jimmybay4743 They're just going to bring up the 0.0000001% of the population of people with a genetic mutation that makes them fall outside the XY/XX norm as if we define large groups by their outliers.
The conflation between the literal and the metaphorical is ridiculous.
Have an interview with Matt Walsh on this subject. Have some guts and really discuss this with him. But you won't.
@@coolchannelforpostingcoolv8331 Progressives have a very funny habit of calling anyone they disagree with but cannot easily refute a simple 'troll'. It helps to dismiss their enemies, which is all they're really interested in doing in the first place.
Nawt "Girly Man"!! I forgot about that one! 🤣🤣
this is when I had very little respect for Arnold
Arnold based 😂
There’s an excellent Tom Scott video on this released 9 years ago
Freedom is merely privilege extended unless enjoyed by one and all!
Oh that awful version of the Internationale by Billy Bragg 😊