“Why is it that if you take advantage of a corporate tax break you're a smart businessman, but if you take advantage of something so you don't go hungry, you're a moocher?” Perfectly summed up by Mr. Jon Stewart
Bc ur trying to keep something u earned legitimately whereas the latter is trying to take something when u have 0. There's a reason why the word moocher exists. U could say the other side is greedy, but that would depend on how much you agree the government should take. I get his sentiment. Just putting some thoughts out there.
@@ManuelCastro-ns5sd you're using blanket statements. I'm referring to the fundamental ideals of the free market vs socialism. If u have a problem with a certain corporation and you know for a fact that they abuse the system, you should write to your politicians and have them make better legislation. Throwing out blanket statements like oh they're evil billionaires are not real arguments.
@@011divine what the hell are you talking about? The "smart businessman" didn't "earn" a corporate tax break legitimately. He's taking advantage of a gift given to him by the politicians his donations have bought. Corporate tax breaks are not fundamental to a free market.
I got off BS mountain a bit before that. However, I didn't believe, and still don't, that Orielly was as bad as he was made out to be some times. Don't get me wrong. I am not talking about his behavior behind the scenes or even many of his political stances. I only mean that he could be reasoned with, somewhat, and occasionally made sense. I couldn't imagine any of the current Fox News talking heads being able to do anything like what Orielly was doing with Stewart here.
I was actually surprised how many points that O'Reilly made here that I agree with, or more so that he falls much more left than I anticipated. It's amazing how far things have pushed this last decade, that the civil discourse and ability to find common ground is lost.
Personally, I am very confused how anyone who is normal and sane could ever be a conservative or think Bill O'Reilly has any semblance of intelligence or insight. Kinda scares the shit out of me to think how people like you can just switch off your brain and accept any of that bullshit. Please tell me how that happens.
There are very few non-veterans that go as hard for veterans as John Stewart. You can feel the sincerity every time he talks about the government not doing right by us.
Jon put me in his orbit on the daily show for a few months because I was a combat veteran. He is 100 percent authentic in my eyes, the guy is here to speak for people who can't speak for themselves.
John gets plenty of credit. He is the GOAT of political commentary. He will call bullshit on either side of the aisle, he is passionate and incredibly intelligent while still appearing dumb at times for the sake of humor. I love the old Crossfire interview, the hosts thought they got a layup and he ripped them apart, so much show their show was shortly canceled later. His testimony for 9/11 first responders is tear jerking. Him talking about Covid was icing on the cake. Absolute national treasure.
@@kylekyger7735 did you ever see the interview with a young Jon Stewart interviewing Carlin? It's brilliant. And at the end he got a big compliment from Carlin..
This was even more of an act. He knows his show's viewers literally average over 60, while Stewart has the prime 18-35. So Bill tried to act hip and mostly failed, though I try not to put myself in a young Reaganite's shoes cause I'm not that messed in the head. Maybe it worked for someone.
Totally agree. I must also say Bill has no idea what he is talking about. To blanket statement "Go to Canada they can't get a surgery they come here" is pure ignorance. I went to emerg as I fell down stairs. I was rushed in, an urgent MRI was ordered and I had two surgeries.
As a Canadian as well, I can say you are absolutely %100 correct. I always hear American conservatives rail against Canadian health care, and virtually everything they say is a lie. Are there wait times for surgeries? It depends... if you need a knee replacement, sure, you may wait 4 months, but critical operations are performed same day. We Canadians LOVE our socialized health care and would NEVER give it up... hell, in a recent Canada-wide 'Event' TV show vote, the creator of our health care system was named the 'Greatest Canadian Ever'... I truly wish American liberals knew that fact when debating the subject on TV. Lastly, let me say that I've lived literally 1 minute's drive from the American border my entire life, and have never known a single person who's gone south for any health care.
This Canadian RN agrees with you. Surgeries are done in order of priority. The system has many flaws, but people don't die here simply because they don't have access to healthcare. Sadly, the same cannot be said of the US. The richest country in the world still denies it's citizens universal healthcare and about 40-50,000 people die every year because of it.
Stewart is literally the best when it comes to shutting down GOP BS talking points. There is literally no one else that can do it as good as him. It's tough because I get that he just wants to retire and lead a more private life, but the fact is that the country really needs him now more than ever. UPDATE: HE'S COMING BACK!
I love Stewart’s argumentative style, he breaks down the opponents ideas to its simplest form and targets the hypocrisies and flaws in the argument. He’s very quick.
Does Stewart legit have no notes, because he is throwing out facts, statistics and well thought out points that would make a veteran politician with a quality speech in front of them jealous.
The best president america never had (50:50 him or Jeb Bartlett) - A measure of his intellect is that he looks at what it takes to get into office and says... fuck that, no thanks. Americas loss.
I just watched pete buttigieg do an hour long "townhall" (in NH, split into two different videos fwiw) w/ no notes. his ability to answer thoughtfully and factually (ikr?) while framing both the underlying issue to whatever was being asked AND positing what the path to a solution should include ... damn impressive. from alzheimer's (he knew the general phrase - and why its different than nursing homes - "memory care") to darpa and everything in between. ua-cam.com/video/Y_VjaO-HwTA/v-deo.html
I think he's just very smart, he probably does a lot of reading and has a sharp memory. I'd guess he prepares for these like uh, you'd prepare for like a tough interview or presentation? But he's also been doing this for a long time so experience probably helps him too
@@op3129 Well if you work in any field you aquire whatever that skill set is. Some people work in particular fields a very long time and never aquire certain skills that you'd think they would, but they may excel in other areas. I'm not a big political guy myself so can't say I've ever listened to Hannity so don't really have any insight on whatever he does
10 years later, this is still a great debate, but the fact that we haven't gotten past most of these issues is super sad :( However, I have an answer to the question of who is the most trusted man in America today. It is Jon Stewart. Thank you, Jon, keep up the great work.
He spends his time advocating for the first responders of 9/11 -- though that case was closed about a year ago, but I imagine that's where he's focused a lot of time/effort leading up to 2020.
@@Aethelbeorn I don't know if it was depression or it was just exhausting for him. Jon Stewart was the face of political satire and he always denied saying his message didn't have political value but the truth is it did. I think it was stressful to nightly try to have that voice and when Colbert left to the late Show it was time to retire. Jon Oliver spends a week building a show to discuss and make fun of these issues.
I remember this event and it feels nice to point out Oreilly is now worth 30 million while Stewart is holding up 80 million and a respectable non rapey reputation.
John didn't even know the difference between the deficit and the debt, If you actually understand these issues you can see how badly he got slaughtered. Watching this back 10 years later gives it a whole different light.
@@nonstickmeatseriously. Bill is using those cards to try to explain the facts to a crowd that applauds every time Stewart curses. Jon is a degenerate and uses his comedy as a weapon to try and belittle any sensible argument. Hard to blame your black pill namesake when I look through the nonstop worship of all the idiots commenting even in todays world about Stewart being the “goat” . I am trying to stay positive but man the general public is so ill informed just like the crowd in the video. Bunch of clapping seals that have things so backasswards that they can’t see their sealing the fate of a nation with this childish mocking behavior. 34:20
@@nonstickmeat deficit leads to debt. they're very tightly connected. bill made some good points, and stewart made some good points. nobody got "slaughtered"
+Emma Deschamps Me too. I really dislike Bill's attitude on his own show where he acts like he's correct and never lets anyone speak, but in this debate I finally saw a more mature Bill who gave good arguments (or bullshit polished to look like a logical argument).
+terrozer Lengend that's not a worthy opponent if bill o reily is a bold face lying sack of shit, indignant, irrational,unreasonable, delusional, deflective, and misconstruing every statistics with unstandardized bias statistics that aren't qualified.
I live in Canada and I'm going through a depression. I've been seeing psychiatrists for the past 6 months and I never had to pay a dime for it. Healthcare helps
Healthcare should be a human right. What kind of fucked up is it to think:" I know you are very sick but, unfortunately, you can't afford to get healed so we'll just let you die in pain" this is just disgusting
Plus there's that sociopathic fuckface who bought pharmaceutical companies only to jack up the prices and make a shit ton of money on people's lives. Seriously how is this legal!? "Oh but it's the free market" well here you go: first and definitely not the last evidence that the free market doesn't work. When you let beats sell you a $14 piece of plastic for $200 you got to see there's a problem. The free market doesn't work. Ok I'm done with my rant. I just had to let it out
+Zacc oh yeah Canada will let people die if they don't think it's worth treating them ( if theirs a low chance of survival or if the treatment is experimental, this happens particularly with cancer patients) they'll say oh well it's not worth it to try where in America if you have insurance they'll do everything they can to save you.
yep your convinced you oughta die for the billionaires why? why should you NOT be PRO OBAma? WE FOUGHT WARS SO BILLIONAIRES COULD TAKE OUR MONEY? INCOME REDISTRIBUTION! YOU MAKE ME SICK! BY THE WAY THE DEFICIET IS GOING DOWN DOWN DOWN!!!
PrisonOfMinD85 1. Committed Treason- Patriot act kinda throws a wrench in that accusation (George W Bush administration 2001). It's both unconstitutional AND allowed under the new rules. Kinda valid criticism... kinda not. What I would say though... I don't suppose you would have preferred McCain or Romney on that front. Both of them are AT LEAST campaigning on a much more totalitarian platform than Obama did. I know you can't really put too much stock into campaigning promises, but the odds are that ANY Republican (especially the front-runners) are likely to be even more aggressive offenders than Obama. So... you really only have a point there if you ignore the facts that we only have 2 realistic choices, neither of them exists in a vacuum and often have to make strategic compromises with the rules, and the President isn't supremely powerful anyway. If you want to go from a 100% idealist standpoint, go right ahead, but you have to recognize that idealism is the exact opposite of pragmatism (Idealism is based rigidly on what you think a perfect society would be IF IT EXISTED. Pragmatism is based flexibly on the imperfect society THAT ACTUALLY EXISTS) If you want to have an idealist discussion, fine, but pragmatism conflicts with idealism for the sole purpose of being an effective compromise. Pragmatism really only exists because idealism always fails. As a matter of fact, if Idealism worked, pragmatism would be out of a job. In an imperfect world, pragmatism really is the only tool Idealism has to get through obstacles. 2. Again... kinda valid... kinda not. The Bush tax cuts jutted out into the Obama years... but... Obama DID extend them... against his will... under immense Republican pressure... as a compromise. Could you criticize him for this? Yes. But... you still have to keep in mind that he did it as a preventative measure (since he knew that Congress control was going red and he needed to get this squared away short-term so that it doesn't get extended indefinitely during Republican control. Very much a similar situation to the above. He didn't get what he wants, and you could have counted on it being MUCH worse with a Republican president.
if you did more investigating on your own instead of faux news you would find out that the budget DECREASED under OBama at the same rate it INCREASED under Bush!
By far one of the biggest idiots of our time. Lacking the knowledge and facts to be able to come to a correct conclusion 100% of the time. Instead only being able to make jokes about facts O'Reilly states.
Mr. Jon Stewart is very honest, very educated, spontaneous, charming, wise, brave, outspoken, very funny, very original, very smart, genuine on politics
I'm new to Jon Stewart, I have to say I've got a crush. He's the kind of genuine, intelligent and passionate democratic socialist that there should be more of in this world. Brains and humour combined are definitely attractive .
"Very honest," "educated" and "smart"? The man doesn't understand the difference between deficit spending and our national debt. He loses a ton of credibility when he doesn't understand the basic fundamental differences. Then there was his nonsense about Levittown and his so-called "subsidized housing." smh ... How'd that get past you? Obviously, you're as ignorant as he is. Welcome to liberalism!
When I was young I had so much respect for Bill O'Reilly.....I used to watch his show EVERY night.....now...he is just a smarter version of Sean Hannity.....I can't stand him. I am an Army vet, and his views on everything seem crazy
I thought I was the only that went from loving to hating Bill's words. The more I learn about the real reasons for the wars, criminal industrial complex, et al, the more backwards he is. Clearly he, like every Fox News talking head is a tool in the Hegelian Dialectic scheme.
I agree with most of what you said but his closing statement was really heartfelt and he admitted that capitalism in media and actor-reporters as the problem with our public discourse. That said Jon tore his ass up! #jonstewart
atltallone907 You're right, he's nuts and the horrible part is that the reason you believed it would be a good idea to make your sacrifice and join the army may be because of the bullshit he spouts. I signed up briefly when I was 20 but got out of it before basic, and thank god. Unfortunately people join the military because they really believe they're serving the country, then they go through their experiences and figure out later that it was all lies and they were just serving to keep rich peoples' money safe, and I think that's awful.
In right wing world, better known as BS Mountain, Bill O’Reilly, and Rush Limbaugh before him, and Tucker Carlson after him, are considered wise and intelligent commentators,and spokesman. What a joke! Their level of stupidity is just plain dangerous.
Just because you lack basic hearing and can only understand angry rants from those who scream bloody murder at anything with a turban doesn't make him clueless, it just makes you deaf.
I couldn't believe he said that. Right, 2007 worked out amazingly... until 1 year later, when the entire house of cards collapsed, costing us trillions.
I SWEAR to The GODS I was going to say that and I had to scroll down bcuz I KNEW someone picked up on that in the first few comments !!! Thank you! 💯✅🎯
The housing crisis was caused by people lending money to people who they knew would go bankrupt so that they could collapse the housing market and buy up cheap property. It was a scam carried out by a collection of ultra-wealthy people. And no, that's not all people were investing in. Bill was right, the tax cuts allowed people to keep more of their own wealth and use it how they saw fit. The tax cuts didn't cause the housing crisis, tricky rich people did. Putting blame where it belongs is the first step to solving a problem.
I have been watching a lot of clips of Jon Stewart speaking his mind and all I can think is that he would make the best President because he would point out when people are standing on bullshit mountain. Then tell them to climb down when they want to help Americans and not just rich people of bullshit mountain. If you think so as well please let Jon Stewart know his contact inform is readily available and easy to find. VP would be Stephen Colbert.
Yeah but he wouldn't be able to solve problems with his 'devil may care' attitude. As it is for him now, he only has to make people be entertained, then the cameras turn off. What makes you believe he can save a life, or a nation?
If he had a real-life debate with them I suspect he would. Disputing someones argument in a video essay where they cannot respond is significantly easier. Stewart is immensly quick on his feet and very articulate.
Casey Legamaro dude Ben Shapiro is a joke. He attacks the far left sure but he wouldn't stand a chance with either of these big hitters in a debate. Not saying quick wit is everything but I would not bring him up when Stewart is in the conversation
Wile E. Coyote no Shapiro can bring out facts, statistics and rational at a moments notice, Stewart relies on charisma to charm his audiences as he’s a comedian it works well. It’s very difficult to catch a comedian but I think Shapiro could work it well if he pulled out the serious arguments AKA abortion or Racial tensions in the USA. People don’t tend to care much for economic numbers they tend to care for something they can personify. (I study debate tactics) Shapiro is a very good double binder and can work his way around people he worked bill maher (is that how you spell it) on bills own show. He took piers Morgan out with his own games. I think if Shapiro plays to his strength which is never get emotional, never get baited and allow Stewart to talk himself into a corner than he should be capable of it. A lot of speakers get wrong with Stewart is that they try and play him at his own game. Tucker Carlson for example tried to play funny heckler with a comedian (we saw how that went).
I don’t think MOST presidential candidates are this knowledgeable about these issues, this open and honest about what they think, or this passionate about … anything.
If only the socio-economic system created leaders with real integrity and a dedicated track record for respect for science, nature and sustainable humanity AND they weren't so much political leaders as actual leaders in their field to create the most efficiency, sustainable and healthy society as technically possible. So much so that the role of politician would be made obsolete like the human lamp lighter and elevator operator of old. We need a socio-economic evolution if we want to see more intelligent and relevant debates be common place in the mainstream media. Going to have to start bottom up, local level first, with shared strategies for creating this better system that people can choose to join. What about the contributionist strategy as being practised and proposed by the One Small Town movement with Michael Tellinger? Looks like something that both Stewart and O'Reilly - begrudgingly - could agree on.
As a Canadian, and as a person who lived for some years in the UK, I can't help but want to educate my American brothers and sisters to the fallacy that our healthcare systems do not work. I have NEVER in my life encountered an individual whose family has gone bankrupt due to illness. Nor have I ever encountered an individual who has not received life saving healthcare in a timely fashion. There are waitlists for "elective" surgeries....meaning non-life threatening surgeries ie: knee replacements, hip replacements, etc...but never for life saving medical care. The USA is the ONLY industrialized nation in the modern era that does not insist on universal healthcare as a right. Thats sad. You deserve better.
duaneology® Thanks for taking the words right out of mouth. We may grumble but we love our system. So sick of the endless lies spewed by uninformed Republicans.
Yep. I try to educate Americans too, but it doesn't matter how much facts or data you throw at them. I have relatives and 'friends' that took it as an attack on their beliefs that I was trying to point out their false beliefs.
On O'Riley's swipe at the NHS. I've spent the last year fighting cancer - they went from 0 information to full diagnosis and treatment in 3 weeks. When they got rid of it, only for it to relapse they were monitoring me, caught it and have me major surgery within a month. 7 scans, 9 months of chemo, 2 operations plus always having access to my consultant and not once have I been asked for insurer details or my card. Everyone pays towards it apart from those who can't, so I never feel the bitterness some Americans seem to feel about paying for the uninsured. If you fund a system like the NHS properly it works and everyone is better off.
"We have to start understanding how [the free market] can no longer keep privatizing their profits, and socializing their losses." That is one of the best lines I’ve ever heard in my life.
A Strange Tree it is NOT the free market? Some rich pigs take advantage of the system. Free market is what allows so many small businesses keep thriving.
The premise is inaccurate because a truly free market doesn’t socialize losses. What that describes is Mercantilism, which is what the USA economic system is more than anything else.
@@robertferguson7804 I am not sure you are contradicting the original response. Nevertheless, a true free market is pretty impossible. As there always will be huge companies on which a lot of the economy relies upon. And what you are referring to as true free market, is almost impossible. So when they refer to the free market system, they mean the aspects of it the republicans are supporting, and want to expand. It just just point out the hypocrisie. As republicans you can not give big companies the freedom to do whatever they want, manipulate the market. and raise prices on products they have a monopoly over. And then when they encounter financial problems you ask for help. This would just mean you want parts of socialism, but republicans do not want to admit this.
@@SOSULLI Thanks for the comment. I appreciate the effort. Let's start with this, who cracks down on the monopolies? The Government? The biggest monopoly of them all? Big corporations and the government are the same thing. So then what? Who watches the watchers? I am not a Republican. You said that a true free market is "pretty impossible" and then "almost impossible" Okay, but it should always be the goal. As a force toward something let's say. You seem like you are in your late 20's to mid 30's. You're on the right track man. Keep going.
@@SovereignStatesman yeah, because being well connected, Jewish, and not accused of something is much worse than an outed evident pervert who lies on camera and in disposition inquiries.......(Germany 1942 is calling, they want you to stop using their campaign slogans, pursuant under protection of copyright infringement.)
It’s amazing how John Stewart is clowning around with “bullshit mountain,” and fing around with the height, and leaving and mocking and stealing cue cards, and he’s still coming across as less of a clown and better prepared than Oreilly.
@@SovereignStatesman It must be a lot easier to not critically engage with whats happening in front of you and just wave it away "oh they're all idiots, I don't need to engage with that or think about it". I wish I could turn off my principles like you. I bet it would be a lot less stressful.
@@SovereignStatesman Without fail, if a person has a founding father or past POTUS as their profile pic, they will make bad faith arguments that make you wonder how they even learned typing. And without fail they are always aggressive and rude. Good job Tom. You are one of the OGs of this hilarious stereotype. Now go log into your burner account so you can start comments with "As a black man...."
One of the few things I like about O'Reilly is that he took this debate. I appreciate that and it seems like there's some mutual respect....finally some adults in the room.
These two are hilarious! If they ever made a movie about those two on a road trip around the US, I would be the first in line to watch that! You can tell they're friends and I think it's important to see that people can disagree on almost anything and still be friends. This is what democracy comes down to. We can disagree and debate vigorously, but that doesn't mean we necessarily have to view the opponent as our deadly adversary.
He contradicted himself so many times I couldnt believe it. He seems to base ever issue on how he feels about that in the moment and not in a policy based or political way.
I appreciate how two opposing ideologies can have a back and forth with little animosity, all while being entertaining and informative. Well done to you both
Everytime someone brings up disabled people and how much is spent on them I get annoyed- especially if they have the same attitude as O' Reilley. These are people. They have to survive. The people who are like O' Reilley who look down on helping disabled people have no clue how hard it is to survive on disability. It's not *LIVING* off of the government. It's barely even *surviving*.
To be fair, they don't HAVE to survive. Society won't end if they die. They have the luxury of existing in an era where they can survive and hopefully thrive. It's important to remember the difference between what is owed to someone and what is offered.
@@huuballawick "To be fair, they don't HAVE to survive". "To be fair.... they don't have to survive"???? What the fuck are you talking about, dude? Are you insane? Being fair is leveling the playing field, Shithead. Nothing more nothing less. That's being fair. Being fair isn't eliminating people from the game entirely.
@@huuballawick 'they don't HAVE to survive' and 'where they can survive' mean the same thing. We either make it so they can survive (and therefore, they do) or they don't. If you're trying to compare us to 3rd world countries as a reason why its ok if we just let them die, then you're just a shit head. We are a rich country, it's quite different. Either you believe in the value of a human life, or you don't. Saying they should be grateful we even provide any benefits, is just an absurd mindset. You better hope you don't ever get injured or suffer a severe sickness and end up in that situation yourself, then.
I like Jon, but nah... no more tv show presidents.. just because a guy appears on your tv a few times a week and says some stuff doesn’t mean he should run the country.
@@jacob18310 On the issues is where i'm looking. The way you only know Jon as a guy on TV shows you haven't looked into him on the Politics. Now, i'm not demeaning you on that, as he never has voiced anything that would show he would ever run for office, but he definitely is a good human being.
@Christopher James oh no, I’ve seen him in actually serious interviews, I saw the speech he gave for 9/11 first responders and all-on the issues for sure.. all I was suggesting is that Jon isn’t politician material, he’s of much service doing his comedy gig and the political satire stuff, like clowning O’Reilly; I’d rather see Jon on tv than in Washington, leave the campaigns and the public service to those progressives that are more Washington material I guess. And yeah, no doubt he’s a good human being, he’s passionate even if it’s coming from a more clownish place
Trump is a train wreck. He’s angry and wants to get revenge. Being buddies with Russia and China and Trump thinking he’s the smartest between the 3 is catastrophic!
Only 17 mins in, this is literally hilarious so far. I can't believe I've never seen this before. Hey UA-cam this is what you should've been putting on my sidebar the last 6 years instead of cat fail videos...so many hours wasted..
Or at least mix the algorithm up a bit. For example: O'Reilly / Stewart debate, cat fail video, GG Allin's funeral, cat fail video, transgender make-up tutorial, The Weather Channel blooper reel, *fat* cat fail video, etc.
It's pretty hard to find the old Stewart stuff in general, and it's not because it's not there. I know - I've been doing it for days, because I had a sudden missing. I think 'old' quality may be being suppressed a bit, but not sure why otherwise.
Isaac Planck Nah, I liked her. She let the two rocket off in the direction they needed to go in to land their points. It wasn't like they were side-tracking too much of the time.
Stewart: "Why is that if you take advantage of a tax break, and you're a corporation, you're a smart businessman, but if you take advantage of something that you need to not be hungry, you're a moocher." First, O'Reilly wasn't actually that bad here. Compared to how he usually acts on his show (which I hear is a fake persona), he was somewhat reasonable, but the above quote pretty much sums up how so much of what he said, and how the stance he was taking, was complete bullshit.
***** First off, I didn't even read all that, and I'm not going to bother considering you started off with an insult. Learn a little tact and respect if you want people to listen to you. It's nonsensical that these corporations get ridiculous tax breaks (and in some cases, actual REFUNDS). However, it's even more ridiculous that people seem to be more mad that a small family that can't afford food needs help and gets it, than they are about a corporation, who has billions of dollars in profits, getting money back from the government because of absurd tax loopholes and bureaucratic nonsense, that they most definitely don't need.
This quote was the definition of the democrat party. Jobs come from businesses. They must expand to hire more people. What does disability or welfare have to do with creating jobs?
Hey Nathan, did you ever consider that maybe, just maybe, disabled people being able to fucking LIVE is as important as the creation of jobs? Food for thought, but clearly you aren't a thinker. If you wanna talk economics, look at Hoover vs FDR. The free market republican was pres during the Great Depression and the liberal pres fixed the economy by actually fucking doing something with the New Deal.
***** Chris, the irony is overwhelming. You say nothing but "im a big badass hardworker", and then you drop ad hominem, racist, psychopathic insults. You don't know anything about economics....you're a joke of a human being. I dropped facts on you, and you couldn't handle them.
52:25 "I think people have confused 'not being able to pray everywhere' with 'not being able to pray anywhere' and I think they've confused the 'loss of absolute power' with 'persecution.'" Damn can I get that on a t shirt?
O'Reilly: Obama should do A to pretend B from happening Stewart: That's not true, Bush did do A and B still happened and even worse O'Reilly: BUSH IS NOT PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exactly, just becuase he is gone doesn’t mean that trying the same thing will give a different result. “As that is the true definition of insanity.” -Some island goer
Agreed... There is, however, nothing wrong with viewing this discussion as a fine (yet entertaining) example of civility in idealogical debate. I still enjoyed it (9 years after the fact.) 🇺🇸
if by civil discourse , you mean polite ,well it's not always appropriate to be polite. and if by civil discourse you mean honest , well.. you've never gotten honesty with biden. LOCK HIM UP !!
@@Steelburgh Thing is, there is more honesty that can happen between two people who aren't necessarily fundamentally and strictly tied to a political party. That's why politicians debating each other rarely gets to anything real and honest. It's a bunch of talking heads repeating their party talking points. Might as well have painted robots going out there. Also, politicians are literally lobbied and sponsored by big corporations and big money interests to influence their views and policies. That's why studies have proven the views of the majority in America have ZERO impact on what legislation gets passed unless it reflects the interests of the wealthy elite class. The capitalist system that guarantees and wealthy elite class, a shrinking middle class and a poor (as Carlin puts it to "scare the sh*t" out of the middle class) has produced a bought and paid for government just like your average person buys pizza. If everything is for sale in this socio-economic sale? Why wouldn't government and politicians be? If we don't like that, we need to create a new system, a better system that actually empowers every regular person to have a voice, starting at the local level. That's where change has to happen, but with a shared strategy that can be adopted by any group or town around the country. That way, people can live where they live and make a better community there, but also collaboration and cooperate as they wish with a larger cooperative that enhances what they are doing with contributionism and direct democracy, something like what is happening with the One Small Town initiative, as Michael Tellinger has talked about.
I was just thinking: If Stewart opened with that speech about Bullshit Mt. today, he would get absolutely shredded. Because the list of thing conservatives falsely believe about the US doesn't hold a candle to the list that progressives believe: That we are in the throws of a white supremacist tyranny; that women are somehow oppressed; that corporations, and the "1%" don't pay their fair share of taxes; that having and enforcing borders is racist. It was true--though somewhat exaggerated--that at this time, the conservative political block was conspiracy and fear mongering. But the conspiracy and fear mongering of the left, today, is far worse.
I'm really sad that when O'Reilly said, "You should let medical people run [the healthcare system]!" Stewart didn't counter with, "But you just said that insurance companies should run it."
To expand on TheJimtanker's comment, the president alone cannot change the country. There's a complex system and movement around them. The president could want say a single-payer system like Jon said he would do but if say 67% of congress is against it then he will ultimately fail. Several people are smart enough to realize that you can't always change things from such a limited position. Which is why we see Jon's picking on specific stuff like the 9/11 firefighters and veterans in general. Or you can look at say Bill Gates and his focus on malaria for example.
Before the 2016 election, I was dismissive of that idea. “Jon’s had too much of politics-look how old and Gray he looks! Don’t put this poor man through that again.” Now, I’m like “Get your ass out there, Jon!! America apparently wants loud celebrities from the New York area, and you fit the bill, sir.”
@@withalittlehelpfrom3 Too many Americans reject candidates that are honest and tell it like it is with facts and figures. Would rather elect liars that make them feel good about their lives and choices.
Fox news interviews Fox news: "What is your position on such and such and so and so? Interviewee: My position is such and such and so- Fox news interrupts: My point exactly now lets talk about so and such Interviewee: Well, certainly I was getting to that, but I was actually talking about such and such- Fox news interrupts: As it pertains to such and so. But what about such and such? Exasperated interviewee: Well, sure, what about it? Fox News: So your position is if such were A and so were B, then you agree with Fox news! You said it yourself, Such and so! Interviewee: You are taking what I said completely out of context and missing my point entirely Fox News: Well then, out with it! What is your point? My point is, Such and such and so- Fox news interrupts: Well, that's all the time we have for today. We want to think our interviewee for joining us!
RUTheCatalyzt Fox news interviews Fox news: Do you think if I announce bush as the president it will actually work ?.. I know this sounds crazy... Public: Bush is president now, all hail bush
***** nope. reasonable guy. Ive met both olbermann and O'reilly, olbermann would not give me the time of day, could barely even get near him. O'reilly answered a couple questions for my college newspaper and was very polite, cordial, and charming. Can't speak for Stewart...
DrRockkso That's because he's not being paid to make everyone look demonized when he's not on his show. He's trying to promote his image with a more moderate appearance to those who don't watch his show. Fox, also, really does pay him to be an asshole to his guests. They like to make other opinions to look ridiculous to their zealot audience.
O'Reilly comes off as a dick, all the time. It's a perfect example of how never to get respect from other people. Like, I'm 5 minutes in and I can't even watch this because of how big of a dick he is.
“Debt. Is. Bad.” If someone ever spoke to me that way, I would immediately punch them. I know I shouldn’t, but… OOF. Talking down to the entire crowd and Stewart like that…
@@JohnSmith-yd5wq ehhh. Watch the debates between George HW and Reagan. Their policies and stances are much more caring to others. And they actually have economic positions and ideas for policies! Now it seems everyone just keeps talking about welfare queens and calling scientists and medical professionals fake news just because they didn't "side" with their agenda
Thats because the average voter is unaware of Middle Out (aka: Consumer driven) economics or that 98% of their vote simply chooses between to economic systems that provide each party with traditional guiding principles. Republican is Trickle Down, Democrat is Middle Out (aka: Consumer Driven) Both support capitalism & both have been used by previous administrations. The only question: Which is better for ur particular family?? Thats up to the individual..... The rest is just noise, bait to move swing voters. Examples: Gun rights....already protected by 2nd Amendment, Religion.....protected, abortions r not mandatory, wanna protect the unborn? history shows that educating others of ur beliefs will make a bigger impact then prohibition. Until we can get voters out of the popularity contest, voting based on a ‘vibe’ or fighting culture wars at polls (absolutely a wasted vote: culture will change policy as necessary, policy NEVER changes culture) until they get focused on which of the 2 economic systems will work for them, we will continue to hear politicians & the media reach for their vote through the typical issues that never go anywhere regardless who is elected from either party because these so-called concerns go away after the ballots r counted. They r not real to begin with.
I will always say Jon needs to be talking to these people from a seat of power, not at them from the pulpit. He thinks it would break him, I think he's grounded enough for 4 or so years before bailing. We need it.
O'Reilly wants to know why more claims for arthritis. It is the Baby Boomer generation growing older and needing more care. They are a huge generation of people. As they enter their 60s and 70s their health concerns grow.
Well that exactly one of the major problems in Denmark (and if I remember right also for Norway and Sweden), and all three countries are perfectly well working, and based on socialistic ideas.
The reasoning was that the left was comparing Obama to Bush as a measurement apparatus on proficiency.. So people were saying Obama is great because Bush was bad, but the argument is, is that a President should be based on how he handles situations and not how another President handled them.
A lot of apples and oranges here…O’Reilly doesn’t represent every right nor Stewart, every left. And the words they spoke def. wouldn’t find their place in the mouths of many of the right or left. So I think we should stick to talking about what O’Reilly and Stewart said in this video. You said, “The reasoning was that the left was comparing Obama to Bush as a measurement apparatus on proficiency.” I think you should have said, “Stewart” not "left" but anyways, it’s obvious Stewart never used Bush as a “measurement apparatus on proficiency” in this video. But even if Stewart did do that, using one thing as a “measurement apparatus on proficiency” which is another way of saying “standard” to measure the proficiency of another is okay. We do it all the time. The new Galaxy’s battery lasts 8 hours. Welll, the iPhone is better, its battery lasts 50% longer. What’s wrong would be to say that the iPhone is good because the Galaxy is bad. And you pointed out that logical error correctly when you said “People said, Obama is good because Bush was bad.” Only problem is, I don’t think most or even many of the left and DEFINITELY not Stewart in this video thinks that way. The logic is just too outrageous. What you might be hearing from the left is “Obama is better than Bush” for whatever reasons but that’s another topic. Lastly, you said, “President should be based on how he handles situations not how another president handled them.” You’re absolutely correct. Again, the only problem is that Stewart didn’t say anything that would go against this. With all due respect, I think you may have carelessly used this video as a channel to voice your argument against some other liberal voices in your life.
Here's an analogy of what I think Stewart was saying. "A runner's competency is measured by how fast the runner crosses the finish line. Now, if that's the case, does the location of a runner's starting line matter in measuring how fast the runner crossed the finish line? Of course, if Runner A runs 50 meters and Runner B runs 100 meters, Runner A would cross the finish line faster. Now, what if the location of the runner's starting line was determined by how well or badly his teammate ran that same race in the previous competition?In other words, I think Stewart was saying that Obama started from a hole, running uphills because of the location he found himself in as the starting line of his race determined by the run of his predecessor. So again, does the starting line matter in determining the competency of the runner? Yes it does.
John Kim I'm talking about what is happening today in terms of arguments. I do a lot of political videos and discuss a lot of political topics with many people. What I noticed the most people like to claim Obama is great because Bush was bad, instead of comparing them individually. As a past voter of Obama in 08, I fell on this wagon that Bush is so bad so all republicans will probably be bad and therefore Obama is the obvious choice. But now a days, whenever I see a post about people arguing on Obama's Presidency, I always see someone play the Bush card like, "Yeah, but Bush sent us into Iraq and destroyed jobs. You don't think Bush was bad?" To which I reply, "Yes Bush was bad. But we aren't talking about Bush we are talking about Obama.." So if we were talking about Obama's proficiency as President with respect to war, than it would be reasonable to compare Bush's response to war, but when people bring up a statement inconsistent with the current argument, than it is nothing more than a cop out. As an example, "Obama is a horrible President, look at our national debt!" - "Yeah but Bush left Obama a hell hole, he got us out of a recession." That's an example of using a comparison that is inconsistent with the debate at hand. A better response would have been, "Yeah but that spending as produced an influx of job growth an investment!!." So yeah my statement was reflecting modern day debates and not necessarily this video. If that clears things up?
Hey Piper, what you're touching on is probably more of an important issue at hand than comparing the logical prowess or lack thereof of Stewart and O'Reilly, which was what I was more focused on. What your heart seems to be set on is a different topic for me but if I was to share my thoughts on it with you, yes, no matter how sound an argument may be, if it simply leads to becoming a cop out, and if Bush and his job as a president is being scrutinized and graded for the purpose of silver lining Obama's presidency, I agree with you, that's gonna be one garbage of a debate.
Jon’s opening statement is the best of all time. Hands down, no question. Also has to be one of the best debates of all time. I wish there was a video of Hitchens going back and forth freely like this
See i miss this typ of debate. They are poking at each other, but it's in mutual respect and fun. Not trying to cut each other down like dogs, and they are talking about actual problems.
Direct Charge, he said they wanted a wall, a double wall, with a moat and crocodiles. What Trump wants, and many of his followers, is an actual tall and solid wall. So, yes, he predicted it. - And Joseph, when I heard him say that I had to recheck the date cause I could swear he was talking about the shit that is happening this last year and not about 2012.
a lot of conservatives against universal healthcare are wrong. i have like 35 friends who live in canada and love their healthcare, they tell me constantly that they have never had long waits, or needed to go to the u.s. for anything every time they see our media saying that is what happens.
@@tmophead NHS is consistently voted the best healthcare system in the world and I am proud of my countries nation health service and the amazing people that make it happen and their passion.
@@chrishuerlimann4696 that's not because of the NHS, no health system in the world could handle the coronavirus if their government dealt with it the way the brits did at the start
I would give anything to have the debates be like this today. You can tell these guys at least have an underlying respect for each other as human beings. Its impossible to beat Stewart, but O'Reilly joking and having civil discussions is incredibly refreshing when you compare to the last decade of 100% mudslinging.
Civility went out the window with the last guy and O Reilley and his whole propaganda network is a big part of the reason we are where we are today. ..
It isn't wealth redistribution. You aren't taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor. Everybody pays into it and everybody takes out of it. In fact it is actually more regressive than progressive.
@@MaryBeth321123 that's a lie told by people that want to cut social security and put more money into the military. Social security is extremely stable.
This is the tone a debate should have! Friendly discourse. Underneath the humour and jabs you can see both men respect each other. They're playing the facts, not the person. I really like that. I used to really, really dislike O'Reilly. But this showed a different side to the man. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I kinda like this O'Reilly. I don't agree with him, but he made some fair points and I respect him for going head to head with Steward in what is really Steward's arena. Lets be honest here, Steward is a professional comedian of the highest order. O'Reilly is a law graduate as far as I can tell. So all things considered, he did well.
I'm not a fan of O'Reilly's political stance. But he and Stewart are so fun to see debate these issues because of how they can poke fun at each other. And, as a fan of Stewart and a liberal person, I have to acknowledge that O'Reilly makes some cogent points. The Debt is an issue (though I think he ignores how unsolvable an issue it is without raising taxes), and he is correct in correcting Stewart that Clinton ran a deficit surplus, not wipe out the national debt. Stewart is largely right that O'Reilly ignores the broader context of these issues, though, and that seems to be the large difficulty with constructive debate on this issue. That and the fact that many claims made by FOX really do seem otherworldly, and complete disconnected from reality. 1:21:15 - This, though, is a rare moment of clarity for Bill, being right on the mark. Radical reporting and disinformation and hate replace discourse with shouting, and the internet makes a poor forum for debate. Fox News is part of this problem, of course, and O'Reilly has always been very good at ignoring that fact (how could he not!?) But even deeper, the social media, tiny blogs and independent news sites, each with less editorial integrity than the last, blotting out contradictory information and arranging the remainder into outrageous propaganda, sharing this information (which may not even be true) with a general public without the time to fact check: it's going to become a problem, for both sides. We cannot depend on people to be their own editors, to treat every amateur journalist with suspicion. So this is a very cogent remark. I think it's ironic how this comment sections directly demonstrates that. People making insulting remarks about the debaters. Name calling, accusations, passive aggressive remarks. None add anything to the message or discourse. They merely infuriate, spark arguments over trivialities. We're all guilty of it. I'm just ashamed that people in general are, at their core, so petty and irrational.
A man can be rational, Man is irrational. What shocks me is that you can recognize that fact and continue to be a liberal, as liberal theory is founded upon the assumption of Man's rational nature.
+keymaker2112 People being irrational at times (they are neither completely rational or irrational) does not mean that societal policies should not be designed in a rational manner with the intent of improvement. Between that and what I find to be the highly irrational nature of many conservative policies in the US (such as the rejection of science on the issue of climate change, or the intense and unfounded fears many of them have on crime and gun control), I really think there's no competition. In other words, just because people are not perfectly rational automatons does not mean that we should treat society like chaos either.
Nathan Hopkins Duh. Of course social/political organization should be rational, no one but a bunch of filthy anarchists would say differently, as they rationalized their irrational organization and missed the irony. My point was that all of liberal theory, the whole concept of human rights and representative government rests upon the unfounded assumptions of Egalitarianism, Tabula Rasa and Rationalism and that by rejecting Rationalism you can't very well call yourself a liberal. As for the mantra, "The Enemy is irrational," what a joke. They would merely turn around and call you or I irrational as well and we would go on, everyone calling a dissenting or unpalatable view "irrational" instead of acknowledging the horrible truth of the matter. Namely, the enemy is not irrational, he merely has different values and priorities than I do that forbid political cohabitation beyond a certain point, which we are fast approaching.
7munkee Its obviously the same in this debate I mean you don't need to listen to whats being said just the audience reaction,everything stewart says=rapturous applause,o reilly makes a good point=silence
To you the have failed because you have a biased opinion. It makes me so frustrated that there is people that still support socialism even tho history is replete with the society's failing. Please reconsider you stance.
Adam Wintetbottom Do you pay into social security? Have you ever gone to public school? Used a public library? Student loan? Imagine what your life would be like without any of these "socialist" programs. Quit spouting the political slogans and use your head. And get down from bullshit Mountain.
11:50 Stewart: "I believe in social security, do you believe in social security?" O'Reilly "Yes, -" Stewart "So we're both socialists." See, that's the thing people don't get about socialism. It's not about taking what you have, it's about fairly letting people take care of one another on the state's coin, but to do that you *need to pay your taxes* fairly. And by fairly, I mean the highest income pays a higher percentage of tax, because they have the money to live on even without the extra being paid to the state, and that money goes into important, life and country saving shit. Though, that's my opinion, based on how it works here in Norway, and the system here works nicely.
Kris Doyle same here in switzerland. and norway and switzerland are the happiest countries in the world, aka least poverty, high living standarts, good jobs, much free time.
Kris Doyle Whats the population of Norway in contrast to the US? You believe someone should pay a higher *percentage*?? How do people earn money? You believe that because someone is rich that they took it from someone else, or that they cheated? And please, don't use the few corrupt on wall st who cheat the system to represent every wealthy person. You believe that the government should take your money and decide how to spend it. You believe that it's moral to take money away from someone's bank account and hand it over to a total stranger who did not earn it. That's the very definition of income inequality. 2 people performing different tasks but end up with the same pay after deducting a higher amount of taxes from the one who worked harder and/or created a product more valuable. Socialism doesn't fit with the American dream
Ian Well, if the American Dream leaves a significant amount of people in poverty where the system has turned against them even despite their best efforts to get ahead in life legitimately, then the American Dream has become bullshit.
8 years later, and I wish Jon was still around doing this stuff. He thought it was bad then, the Republican party built bullshit mountain up even higher then he would have ever dreamed.
I suddenly like Bill, even though I disagree with almost everything he has ever said. I love Jon. Smart as hell and his light shines on Bill in this debate and makes Bill appear a lot more human than I have ever seen him. He is not so bad.....just caters to his base I guess and that makes him look crazy most of the time.
exactly how I thought. Off air, Bill comes off just as honest as Jon. It's just unfortunate that there's more prejudice towards O'Reily for live debates than prejudice towards Stewart.
He's a hell of an actor on Fox News, the script makes him to appear stupid, when in reality, even though I am like I disagree with a lot that he has to say; he is actually intelligent.
Nik Saunders Yes bill has a type of intelligence and also an absence of wit. It seems as if his limited vocabulary is holding him back even though he is a person who deserves respect. You could go bowling with him.
How can you people not realise that the fact that he is intelligent and therefore knows he is full of shit makes him a significantly more evil person! I have no problem with a dumb person promoting wars around the world and calling them savages when they retaliate because other people don't listen to them. What Bill does is slowly brainwash the stupid people of America to agree with the atrocities both in and out of America commited by their government and corporations. If he is a nice guy outside of his work he must be a raging sociopath because I have never met a genuinely nice person who for any amount of money would be willing to pretend to have the beliefs he does.
I think the saddest thing about this video is that after hearing Trump for a year, Bill O’Reilly seems middle ground. Something I never thought I’d hear myself say is that he seems rational, amiable and non-egoistic when compared to our current climate. The fact that he agreed with Jon a few times, didn’t take jokes about himself too seriously, and didn’t back up his beliefs with insane non-facts felt so, so weird. What happened to the America in this video? Where two people took the same information and just interrupted it differently, rather than making up information or pretending information is no longer important anyway? :(
Nikki Korin Of course he does on his show he demonstrates a measure of hegimony it sells but here he is given a chance to employ centrist attitude as a form of agency I always thought he was to smart to tow the party line in to a debate
I feel the exact same. I found myself nodding at a few things Oreily was saying. I wouldn’t have ever done that when this actually took place. Up is the new down, or vice versa. I just know I’m confused.
well that's ridiculous on your part then--he has always been middle compared to the rest of the right--that's why him and Jon have had a friendship for so many years. Pay attention! lol also, it was heart-wrenching to hear Jon say all these things that I used to believe about the Democratic party, until after 8 years of Obama. And I realized, regardless of who is in power we will bomb, and kill, and murder children, and install governments. Obama ended up doing thrice over what Bush did. I agree with every word Jon said, but how could we have known a Democrat would have ended up doing even worse. I guess I should have paid more attention to history.
saying "no one" is completely untrue. we just believe that no one can because the canyon between the two parties has continually grown, especially over the past 20 or so years, and even more so since trump took office. at this point you have a man telling american born congresswomen to go back where they came from. we are seeing right now, at this moment, what our people are truly made of. what morals they stand for. if they support trump, regardless of being republican, democratic, undecided, etc etc, they have no values. you cannot look as a man who says those things, who dodged the draft, who has never been known to go to church or speak about faith of any kind, who has had endless affairs, sexual assault/misconduct and rape accusations, and a lifetime of tax evasion and say "who cares, the economy is still doing well". that is someone having absolutely zero moral fiber. anyway, my point on that is that trump has caused even more of a rift, because your average american cannot understand how someone can support him. it is so outside the realm of logic that you can't entirely have a debate over the current administration be civil. This is because he has done so many awful things, said so many incoherent, incompetent things, that if you are debating a trump supporter, you are debating someone who ignores all science, logic, and moral standards. in the past it was more of differing opinions on our political system and a real debate could be had.
There is such a thing as the Republican middle. People like me that believe that the economy should come before social issues, but acknowledge that they can't be ignored either. That honestly couldn't give two shits about gay marriage, but still have issues with abortion. That believe in climate change, but aren't willing to damage the economy and leave ourselves at the mercy of foreign markets to combat it. Not every republican agrees with Trump, just like how not every liberal acts like a precious snow flake.
Jay Winter So where the hell was your kind during the election? We were drowned out in a sea of stupidity. Loud, stupid, misinformed republicans took over everything, despite being the visible minority. You were supposed to be there for the country when we needed you the most.
Jay Winter 8 years focused on social issues? I won't even bother addressing such a ridiculous statement. You don't sound like a moderate republican. Especially if you're "closing your nose" by voting for a demagogue who has spit on the constitution, American values, and even proposed a protectionist, anti-freetrade bowl of lies as an economic agenda. I don't think you're as moderate as you think you are. Moderate republicans closed their nose and voted for Clinton. Independents closed their noses and voted for Trump.
+Jay Winter All due respect, but I will never understand that mindset. I was a Bernie vote, but in all honesty, I could have tolerated status quo for 4 more years. That said, I think the progressive movement landed its punch, and the DNC has been forced to follow "The Art of War" ideal that when equally matched, split, and re-evaluate.
I thought they brilliantly illustrated Stewart's claim that the people on Bullshit Mountain try to sharpen everything into narrow points instead of looking at the big picture and understanding how many things are interrelated.
“Why is it that if you take advantage of a corporate tax break you're a smart businessman, but if you take advantage of something so you don't go hungry, you're a moocher?” Perfectly summed up by Mr. Jon Stewart
Bc ur trying to keep something u earned legitimately whereas the latter is trying to take something when u have 0. There's a reason why the word moocher exists. U could say the other side is greedy, but that would depend on how much you agree the government should take. I get his sentiment. Just putting some thoughts out there.
@@ManuelCastro-ns5sd you're using blanket statements. I'm referring to the fundamental ideals of the free market vs socialism. If u have a problem with a certain corporation and you know for a fact that they abuse the system, you should write to your politicians and have them make better legislation. Throwing out blanket statements like oh they're evil billionaires are not real arguments.
@@011divine what the hell are you talking about? The "smart businessman" didn't "earn" a corporate tax break legitimately. He's taking advantage of a gift given to him by the politicians his donations have bought. Corporate tax breaks are not fundamental to a free market.
thank you, booty eater, very cool
Because it is not your money
8 years ago I *thought* I was an O'Reilly Republican. Its fun to watch this back with extreme gratitude that I got off of BS Mountain
I'm kind of in the same boat haha
I got off BS mountain a bit before that. However, I didn't believe, and still don't, that Orielly was as bad as he was made out to be some times. Don't get me wrong. I am not talking about his behavior behind the scenes or even many of his political stances. I only mean that he could be reasoned with, somewhat, and occasionally made sense. I couldn't imagine any of the current Fox News talking heads being able to do anything like what Orielly was doing with Stewart here.
I was actually surprised how many points that O'Reilly made here that I agree with, or more so that he falls much more left than I anticipated. It's amazing how far things have pushed this last decade, that the civil discourse and ability to find common ground is lost.
Personally, I am very confused how anyone who is normal and sane could ever be a conservative or think Bill O'Reilly has any semblance of intelligence or insight. Kinda scares the shit out of me to think how people like you can just switch off your brain and accept any of that bullshit. Please tell me how that happens.
Which way did you go? Radical MAGtard or normal?
There are very few non-veterans that go as hard for veterans as John Stewart. You can feel the sincerity every time he talks about the government not doing right by us.
Seeing this comment after the PACT Act hits even more on point, which is impressive cause it was already a bullseye
Amen brother. Us and 9/11 1st responders.
Jon put me in his orbit on the daily show for a few months because I was a combat veteran. He is 100 percent authentic in my eyes, the guy is here to speak for people who can't speak for themselves.
@@michaelpotts7241 absolutely, Jon fought for decades along side sick 9/11 first responders to extend their healthcare..and succeeded.
@@michaelpotts7241What's the difference between a cow and 9/11?
You can't milk a cow for two decades.
Man Jon doesn’t get enough credit . He is able to have a intellectual dialogue and still keep it funny and still make valid points
John gets plenty of credit. He is the GOAT of political commentary. He will call bullshit on either side of the aisle, he is passionate and incredibly intelligent while still appearing dumb at times for the sake of humor. I love the old Crossfire interview, the hosts thought they got a layup and he ripped them apart, so much show their show was shortly canceled later. His testimony for 9/11 first responders is tear jerking. Him talking about Covid was icing on the cake. Absolute national treasure.
He's our generations George Carlin
@@kylekyger7735 did you ever see the interview with a young Jon Stewart interviewing Carlin? It's brilliant. And at the end he got a big compliment from Carlin..
I think comedy (at least in this 11 year old debate) comedy was Stewart’s Trojan Horse, yet Bill is the only clown on the stage.
On point. Making a articulate, reasoned point and being funny is tough.
The more I watch Bill O'Reilly the more it seems like his whole TV persona is just an act.
Clearly.
He admitted it himself...
www.inquisitr.com/113474/bill-oreilly-admits-that-his-tv-persona-is-just-an-act/
This was even more of an act. He knows his show's viewers literally average over 60, while Stewart has the prime 18-35. So Bill tried to act hip and mostly failed, though I try not to put myself in a young Reaganite's shoes cause I'm not that messed in the head. Maybe it worked for someone.
Ryan Neal It is an act, but word is that he's even more unpleasant in real life.
I have gotten this sort of Jeremy Clarkson "he knows he's an asshole" respect for him :D
Jon Stewart, you were sorely needed during this election
Totally agree. I must also say Bill has no idea what he is talking about. To blanket statement "Go to Canada they can't get a surgery they come here" is pure ignorance. I went to emerg as I fell down stairs. I was rushed in, an urgent MRI was ordered and I had two surgeries.
As a Canadian as well, I can say you are absolutely %100 correct.
I always hear American conservatives rail against Canadian health care, and virtually everything they say is a lie. Are there wait times for surgeries? It depends... if you need a knee replacement, sure, you may wait 4 months, but critical operations are performed same day.
We Canadians LOVE our socialized health care and would NEVER give it up... hell, in a recent Canada-wide 'Event' TV show vote, the creator of our health care system was named the 'Greatest Canadian Ever'... I truly wish American liberals knew that fact when debating the subject on TV.
Lastly, let me say that I've lived literally 1 minute's drive from the American border my entire life, and have never known a single person who's gone south for any health care.
This Canadian RN agrees with you. Surgeries are done in order of priority. The system has many flaws, but people don't die here simply because they don't have access to healthcare. Sadly, the same cannot be said of the US. The richest country in the world still denies it's citizens universal healthcare and about 40-50,000 people die every year because of it.
Sadly, US is not the richest country in the world. Most money do not equal richest country. Why everyone believes that is beyond me.
+ Kigo because people don't understand economics...
"Many pundits say that this is the most important election in a generation..."
Oh, my sweet summer child...
Two Supreme Court justice nominations, with as many as 2-3 more to go? Clearly ramifications that will affect generations to come.
oof ouch owie
@raphaeljameslee wow this comment hits home.
Many pundits say every election is the most impractical election in a generation. Many pundits are wrong.
I see you Catelyn
Stewart is literally the best when it comes to shutting down GOP BS talking points.
There is literally no one else that can do it as good as him. It's tough because I get that he just wants to retire and lead a more private life, but the fact is that the country really needs him now more than ever.
UPDATE: HE'S COMING BACK!
WRONG! TRUMP IS THE BEST
He's actually coming back this time, lol
Jon Stewart needs to be president. We need you !!! 🇺🇸
@@C0wb0yBebop I say that shit constantly, this year he would be top vote for sure
I love Stewart’s argumentative style, he breaks down the opponents ideas to its simplest form and targets the hypocrisies and flaws in the argument. He’s very quick.
It’s a bit strawman like in a way. I’m a fan but I gotta be honest
TheElephant not really
rashaad Basemore I mean not in the truest sense of the word but I think you sorta have to attack the argument at face value ig
@@pat8437 You can't attack a dishonest argument at face value. If an argument builds on an unstable foundation then you gotta attack the foundation.
You mean interrupting your opponent about 70% of the time?
I'd rather pay for someone's birth control than 18+ years of raising that person's children...
if you dont wanna pay taxes go to brunei or some rich country
...wut?
Are they mutually exclusive?
MakRude G i misread his comment sorry
This is never understood the argument against it. If you're afraid of moochers, why risk creating more?
Does Stewart legit have no notes, because he is throwing out facts, statistics and well thought out points that would make a veteran politician with a quality speech in front of them jealous.
The best president america never had (50:50 him or Jeb Bartlett) - A measure of his intellect is that he looks at what it takes to get into office and says... fuck that, no thanks. Americas loss.
I just watched pete buttigieg do an hour long "townhall" (in NH, split into two different videos fwiw) w/ no notes. his ability to answer thoughtfully and factually (ikr?) while framing both the underlying issue to whatever was being asked AND positing what the path to a solution should include ... damn impressive. from alzheimer's (he knew the general phrase - and why its different than nursing homes - "memory care") to darpa and everything in between.
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I think he's just very smart, he probably does a lot of reading and has a sharp memory. I'd guess he prepares for these like uh, you'd prepare for like a tough interview or presentation? But he's also been doing this for a long time so experience probably helps him too
@@doifhg "doing this for a long time"
and hannity?
@@op3129 Well if you work in any field you aquire whatever that skill set is. Some people work in particular fields a very long time and never aquire certain skills that you'd think they would, but they may excel in other areas. I'm not a big political guy myself so can't say I've ever listened to Hannity so don't really have any insight on whatever he does
10 years later, this is still a great debate, but the fact that we haven't gotten past most of these issues is super sad :(
However, I have an answer to the question of who is the most trusted man in America today. It is Jon Stewart. Thank you, Jon, keep up the great work.
i wish Jon Stewart did WAY more of this sort of thing in 2020. way, WAY more.
I don't blame him for staying out of it, though. Everything is kind of a mess, it's hard to know where to start or who to start with.
He got out because it was getting to him. Depressed him very much so he quit his show.
He spends his time advocating for the first responders of 9/11 -- though that case was closed about a year ago, but I imagine that's where he's focused a lot of time/effort leading up to 2020.
Me too
@@Aethelbeorn I don't know if it was depression or it was just exhausting for him. Jon Stewart was the face of political satire and he always denied saying his message didn't have political value but the truth is it did.
I think it was stressful to nightly try to have that voice and when Colbert left to the late Show it was time to retire.
Jon Oliver spends a week building a show to discuss and make fun of these issues.
O'Reilly: No he didnt
Stewart: *raises eyebrows
O'Reilly: Oh....you're talkin about...
Stewart: *smiles Yeah
The opposite of what happens when you reach for your pocket with police. He was strapped with the documents Haha
And Stewart stood firm, didnt miss a beat, and didn't blink...that is how you do it.
27:58
I couldn’t stop laughing
Never get in to an argument with a smart jew😄
I remember this event and it feels nice to point out Oreilly is now worth 30 million while Stewart is holding up 80 million and a respectable non rapey reputation.
I'm sure the insane radical left will find something to take down Stewart too. Don't fret, baby sweetness.
bingo
Bill O'Reilly didn't rape anyone. WTF
They have nearly the exact same net worth.
Bro O'reilly was making $30 million a year WTF you talking about??? He was paid $32 million to walk away from Fox.
Bill holds up idiotic cue cards like a kindergarten teacher while John is brandishing his words like a sword.
John didn't even know the difference between the deficit and the debt, If you actually understand these issues you can see how badly he got slaughtered. Watching this back 10 years later gives it a whole different light.
He knows his base
@@nonstickmeatseriously. Bill is using those cards to try to explain the facts to a crowd that applauds every time Stewart curses. Jon is a degenerate and uses his comedy as a weapon to try and belittle any sensible argument. Hard to blame your black pill namesake when I look through the nonstop worship of all the idiots commenting even in todays world about Stewart being the “goat” . I am trying to stay positive but man the general public is so ill informed just like the crowd in the video. Bunch of clapping seals that have things so backasswards that they can’t see their sealing the fate of a nation with this childish mocking behavior.
34:20
@@nonstickmeat deficit leads to debt. they're very tightly connected. bill made some good points, and stewart made some good points. nobody got "slaughtered"
@@nonstickmeatyeah yeah yeah, thank you for that brilliant comment, now go back to the Trump rally
I dislike O'Reilly as much as the next intelligent and somewhat liberal person, but I really do think they bring out the best in each other.
+Emma Deschamps Me too. I really dislike Bill's attitude on his own show where he acts like he's correct and never lets anyone speak, but in this debate I finally saw a more mature Bill who gave good arguments (or bullshit polished to look like a logical argument).
I wouldn't call myself a liberal and even I find Bill O'Reilly to be a huge jackass.
+Emma Deschamps yea if u want some1 to grow you give them a worthy opponent.
+terrozer Lengend that's not a worthy opponent if bill o reily is a bold face lying sack of shit, indignant, irrational,unreasonable, delusional, deflective, and misconstruing every statistics with unstandardized bias statistics that aren't qualified.
+Emma Deschamps I have to agree. In this forum, BillO is the least annoying I've ever seen him. (Still annoying of course, but less so.)
I live in Canada and I'm going through a depression. I've been seeing psychiatrists for the past 6 months and I never had to pay a dime for it. Healthcare helps
Healthcare should be a human right. What kind of fucked up is it to think:" I know you are very sick but, unfortunately, you can't afford to get healed so we'll just let you die in pain" this is just disgusting
Plus there's that sociopathic fuckface who bought pharmaceutical companies only to jack up the prices and make a shit ton of money on people's lives. Seriously how is this legal!? "Oh but it's the free market" well here you go: first and definitely not the last evidence that the free market doesn't work. When you let beats sell you a $14 piece of plastic for $200 you got to see there's a problem. The free market doesn't work. Ok I'm done with my rant. I just had to let it out
+Zacc oh yeah Canada will let people die if they don't think it's worth treating them ( if theirs a low chance of survival or if the treatment is experimental, this happens particularly with cancer patients) they'll say oh well it's not worth it to try where in America if you have insurance they'll do everything they can to save you.
+Zacc the free market doesn't work but socalism does? reality dosent back you up. socalism is a failed experiment.
yes u have paid a lot for it in the form of ridiculously high taxes
John Stewart is one hell of a debater !
Eslam Mohamed One could say he is a master debater ;)
Eslam Mohamed He's very intelligent but O'Lielly would make a 17 year old look like a Oxford graduate.
yep your convinced you oughta die for the billionaires why?
why should you NOT be PRO OBAma?
WE FOUGHT WARS SO BILLIONAIRES COULD TAKE OUR MONEY?
INCOME REDISTRIBUTION!
YOU MAKE ME SICK!
BY THE WAY THE DEFICIET IS GOING DOWN DOWN DOWN!!!
PrisonOfMinD85
1. Committed Treason- Patriot act kinda throws a wrench in that accusation (George W Bush administration 2001). It's both unconstitutional AND allowed under the new rules. Kinda valid criticism... kinda not. What I would say though... I don't suppose you would have preferred McCain or Romney on that front. Both of them are AT LEAST campaigning on a much more totalitarian platform than Obama did. I know you can't really put too much stock into campaigning promises, but the odds are that ANY Republican (especially the front-runners) are likely to be even more aggressive offenders than Obama.
So... you really only have a point there if you ignore the facts that we only have 2 realistic choices, neither of them exists in a vacuum and often have to make strategic compromises with the rules, and the President isn't supremely powerful anyway.
If you want to go from a 100% idealist standpoint, go right ahead, but you have to recognize that idealism is the exact opposite of pragmatism (Idealism is based rigidly on what you think a perfect society would be IF IT EXISTED. Pragmatism is based flexibly on the imperfect society THAT ACTUALLY EXISTS)
If you want to have an idealist discussion, fine, but pragmatism conflicts with idealism for the sole purpose of being an effective compromise.
Pragmatism really only exists because idealism always fails. As a matter of fact, if Idealism worked, pragmatism would be out of a job. In an imperfect world, pragmatism really is the only tool Idealism has to get through obstacles.
2. Again... kinda valid... kinda not. The Bush tax cuts jutted out into the Obama years... but... Obama DID extend them... against his will... under immense Republican pressure... as a compromise.
Could you criticize him for this? Yes. But... you still have to keep in mind that he did it as a preventative measure (since he knew that Congress control was going red and he needed to get this squared away short-term so that it doesn't get extended indefinitely during Republican control.
Very much a similar situation to the above. He didn't get what he wants, and you could have counted on it being MUCH worse with a Republican president.
if you did more investigating on your own instead of faux news you would find out that the budget DECREASED under OBama at the same rate it INCREASED under Bush!
If Jon Stewart did something like this in each election cycle, the USA would be a completely different country
… can Jon Stewart please run for president… I give up.
I can't express how much I love jon stewart
Omg I fucking love him.
Me too ! That guy is a national treasure
His theatrics are freaking hilarious! Too bad he lacks substance.
By far one of the biggest idiots of our time. Lacking the knowledge and facts to be able to come to a correct conclusion 100% of the time. Instead only being able to make jokes about facts O'Reilly states.
+Cry About it No, that would be you. Explain it anyway you want moron, you'll never get it that's why you love rantings, that's why you love Reilly.
"They can no longer privatize their profits, and socialize their losses" What a legend Stewart is. 24:30
Nathan Waldmann I agree.... one of the smartest and most insightful comments ever
he's a shithead
@@tmcge3325 What an educated argument!
@@darkriku12 no argument...only an observation!
Obama is the one who bailed the big banks out. He socialized there losses. Let’s not twist this. Obama bailed them out.
Mr. Jon Stewart is very honest, very educated, spontaneous, charming, wise, brave, outspoken, very funny, very original, very smart, genuine on politics
I'm new to Jon Stewart, I have to say I've got a crush. He's the kind of genuine, intelligent and passionate democratic socialist that there should be more of in this world. Brains and humour combined are definitely attractive .
"Very honest," "educated" and "smart"? The man doesn't understand the difference between deficit spending and our national debt. He loses a ton of credibility when he doesn't understand the basic fundamental differences. Then there was his nonsense about Levittown and his so-called "subsidized housing." smh ... How'd that get past you? Obviously, you're as ignorant as he is. Welcome to liberalism!
@@devinbrown3454 , anyone who can't see when John gets serious on a point, is an idiot.
sounds like you got a crush
Savoeuth Say so is bill o’reilly lol
I can honestly say I’ve learned more from this debate than any presidential debate I’ve ever watched.
So you didnt enjoy the 2016 republican debate where Trump and Rubio were talking about size (wink wink)
When I was young I had so much respect for Bill O'Reilly.....I used to watch his show EVERY night.....now...he is just a smarter version of Sean Hannity.....I can't stand him. I am an Army vet, and his views on everything seem crazy
I thought I was the only that went from loving to hating Bill's words. The more I learn about the real reasons for the wars, criminal industrial complex, et al, the more backwards he is. Clearly he, like every Fox News talking head is a tool in the Hegelian Dialectic scheme.
YES HEGEL that's so true. if only they could agree we would solve everything
I agree with most of what you said but his closing statement was really heartfelt and he admitted that capitalism in media and actor-reporters as the problem with our public discourse. That said Jon tore his ass up!
#jonstewart
atltallone907 Of course his views seem crazy....he's an old idiot.
atltallone907 You're right, he's nuts and the horrible part is that the reason you believed it would be a good idea to make your sacrifice and join the army may be because of the bullshit he spouts. I signed up briefly when I was 20 but got out of it before basic, and thank god. Unfortunately people join the military because they really believe they're serving the country, then they go through their experiences and figure out later that it was all lies and they were just serving to keep rich peoples' money safe, and I think that's awful.
Its insane how badly Bill's arguments have held up. what a joke.
His arguments didn’t hold up then. Why would they hold up now?
In right wing world, better known as BS Mountain, Bill O’Reilly, and Rush Limbaugh before him, and Tucker Carlson after him, are considered wise and intelligent commentators,and spokesman. What a joke! Their level of stupidity is just plain dangerous.
Jon stewart is smart enough to not run for president even though we need it.
Just because you lack basic hearing and can only understand angry rants from those who scream bloody murder at anything with a turban doesn't make him clueless, it just makes you deaf.
+Chris P stop describing yourself
He is very clever but he doesn't know the difference between the deficit and the debt and that is not a complex economic concept.
Mark Webber, how pathetic. Stewart know how money is created. Do you?
If someone like Trump can run... Stewart definitely over qualifies for the position...
I can never get enough of these Jon and Bill debates… great sparring partners. Always entertaining.
Man, even Bill has some funny moments in this too.
Ya best fighters are the best team mates they work the crowd
hes funny as fuck!
living in a daily show house all my life i was raised that he was the devil, but bill is actually very quick witted
@@cheba_1 as much as I still mostly disagree with Bill, the guys who came after him on FOX were so much worse… and yeah, at least Bill is funny! haha
22:20 “everyone was investing in 2007”... yeah... in mortgages and bonds that collapsed the entire world’s economy in 2008
I couldn't believe he said that. Right, 2007 worked out amazingly... until 1 year later, when the entire house of cards collapsed, costing us trillions.
I SWEAR to The GODS I was going to say that and I had to scroll down bcuz I KNEW someone picked up on that in the first few comments !!! Thank you! 💯✅🎯
Just further proves his complete naivety of everything
The housing crisis was caused by people lending money to people who they knew would go bankrupt so that they could collapse the housing market and buy up cheap property. It was a scam carried out by a collection of ultra-wealthy people. And no, that's not all people were investing in. Bill was right, the tax cuts allowed people to keep more of their own wealth and use it how they saw fit. The tax cuts didn't cause the housing crisis, tricky rich people did. Putting blame where it belongs is the first step to solving a problem.
a fake economy... run by two ignorants... Bush and Greenspan... each created the worst economy and largest Real Estate crash of US history...
I have been watching a lot of clips of Jon Stewart speaking his mind and all I can think is that he would make the best President because he would point out when people are standing on bullshit mountain. Then tell them to climb down when they want to help Americans and not just rich people of bullshit mountain. If you think so as well please let Jon Stewart know his contact inform is readily available and easy to find. VP would be Stephen Colbert.
He's cool.
Yeah but he wouldn't be able to solve problems with his 'devil may care' attitude. As it is for him now, he only has to make people be entertained, then the cameras turn off. What makes you believe he can save a life, or a nation?
Elli Ova he has helped many people where he can off camera
***** Good to know/ assume in this case. Just saying he has yet to prove himself with anything other than political comedy.
I would prefer someone who is not a liberal jew
Jon could talk circles around ANYONE goddamn he's incredible
If he had a real-life debate with them I suspect he would. Disputing someones argument in a video essay where they cannot respond is significantly easier. Stewart is immensly quick on his feet and very articulate.
Casey Legamaro LMAO
Casey Legamaro dude Ben Shapiro is a joke. He attacks the far left sure but he wouldn't stand a chance with either of these big hitters in a debate. Not saying quick wit is everything but I would not bring him up when Stewart is in the conversation
Casey Legamaro Wut? You probably fell for the stupid clickbait titles. The only thing these guys do well is strawman their opponents.
Wile E. Coyote no Shapiro can bring out facts, statistics and rational at a moments notice, Stewart relies on charisma to charm his audiences as he’s a comedian it works well.
It’s very difficult to catch a comedian but I think Shapiro could work it well if he pulled out the serious arguments AKA abortion or Racial tensions in the USA.
People don’t tend to care much for economic numbers they tend to care for something they can personify.
(I study debate tactics) Shapiro is a very good double binder and can work his way around people he worked bill maher (is that how you spell it) on bills own show. He took piers Morgan out with his own games. I think if Shapiro plays to his strength which is never get emotional, never get baited and allow Stewart to talk himself into a corner than he should be capable of it.
A lot of speakers get wrong with Stewart is that they try and play him at his own game. Tucker Carlson for example tried to play funny heckler with a comedian (we saw how that went).
God. If only presidential debates were this well conducted.
I don’t think MOST presidential candidates are this knowledgeable about these issues, this open and honest about what they think, or this passionate about … anything.
If only the socio-economic system created leaders with real integrity and a dedicated track record for respect for science, nature and sustainable humanity AND they weren't so much political leaders as actual leaders in their field to create the most efficiency, sustainable and healthy society as technically possible. So much so that the role of politician would be made obsolete like the human lamp lighter and elevator operator of old.
We need a socio-economic evolution if we want to see more intelligent and relevant debates be common place in the mainstream media. Going to have to start bottom up, local level first, with shared strategies for creating this better system that people can choose to join.
What about the contributionist strategy as being practised and proposed by the One Small Town movement with Michael Tellinger? Looks like something that both Stewart and O'Reilly - begrudgingly - could agree on.
As a Canadian, and as a person who lived for some years in the UK, I can't help but want to educate my American brothers and sisters to the fallacy that our healthcare systems do not work. I have NEVER in my life encountered an individual whose family has gone bankrupt due to illness. Nor have I ever encountered an individual who has not received life saving healthcare in a timely fashion. There are waitlists for "elective" surgeries....meaning non-life threatening surgeries ie: knee replacements, hip replacements, etc...but never for life saving medical care. The USA is the ONLY industrialized nation in the modern era that does not insist on universal healthcare as a right. Thats sad. You deserve better.
duaneology® Thanks for taking the words right out of mouth. We may grumble but we love our system. So sick of the endless lies spewed by uninformed Republicans.
Just because you don't know someone who's gone broke due to injury doesn't mean it doesn't happen all the time.
Yep. I try to educate Americans too, but it doesn't matter how much facts or data you throw at them. I have relatives and 'friends' that took it as an attack on their beliefs that I was trying to point out their false beliefs.
Lol...think that's a sore spot for Estrela?
duaneology® insurance companies are too powerful here. They never release their hold on politicians who keep them in power
On O'Riley's swipe at the NHS. I've spent the last year fighting cancer - they went from 0 information to full diagnosis and treatment in 3 weeks. When they got rid of it, only for it to relapse they were monitoring me, caught it and have me major surgery within a month.
7 scans, 9 months of chemo, 2 operations plus always having access to my consultant and not once have I been asked for insurer details or my card.
Everyone pays towards it apart from those who can't, so I never feel the bitterness some Americans seem to feel about paying for the uninsured. If you fund a system like the NHS properly it works and everyone is better off.
Hope your doing well
Sympathy not gained
@@user-ne8od7up1l ok
@@user-ne8od7up1lmissed the point. OBVIOUSLY
"We have to start understanding how [the free market] can no longer keep privatizing their profits, and socializing their losses."
That is one of the best lines I’ve ever heard in my life.
A Strange Tree it is NOT the free market? Some rich pigs take advantage of the system. Free market is what allows so many small businesses keep thriving.
That quote is just as important now as it was then.
The premise is inaccurate because a truly free market doesn’t socialize losses. What that describes is Mercantilism, which is what the USA economic system is more than anything else.
@@robertferguson7804 I am not sure you are contradicting the original response. Nevertheless, a true free market is pretty impossible. As there always will be huge companies on which a lot of the economy relies upon. And what you are referring to as true free market, is almost impossible. So when they refer to the free market system, they mean the aspects of it the republicans are supporting, and want to expand. It just just point out the hypocrisie. As republicans you can not give big companies the freedom to do whatever they want, manipulate the market. and raise prices on products they have a monopoly over. And then when they encounter financial problems you ask for help. This would just mean you want parts of socialism, but republicans do not want to admit this.
@@SOSULLI Thanks for the comment. I appreciate the effort. Let's start with this, who cracks down on the monopolies? The Government? The biggest monopoly of them all? Big corporations and the government are the same thing. So then what? Who watches the watchers? I am not a Republican. You said that a true free market is "pretty impossible" and then "almost impossible" Okay, but it should always be the goal. As a force toward something let's say. You seem like you are in your late 20's to mid 30's. You're on the right track man. Keep going.
As Bill said that "Stewart tomorrow is going to visit the wounded troops" I teared up. This was a truly beautiful moment.
He prolly did lol Stewart looks after the troops just like he fights for the first responders of 911
I like the part when O'riley gets fired for being a lying pervert... lmao, best part ever
And because he's not a well-connected Jew.
@@SovereignStatesman Aww, you've really tried your best to troll this comment section, huh buddy?
@@SovereignStatesman yeah, because being well connected, Jewish, and not accused of something is much worse than an outed evident pervert who lies on camera and in disposition inquiries.......(Germany 1942 is calling, they want you to stop using their campaign slogans, pursuant under protection of copyright infringement.)
I love the part where you misspelled his name and didn't correct yourself in the edit
@@TheDrewgutterz hahaha haha 😑
As a Spaniard I can tell that O'Reilly knows absolutely nothing about the riots in Spain.
He gets his information from Fox News, so he is just as ignorant as 99% of the republicans.
+Y2K Sports lol
He is Fox News so it's more like he gets his information from everywhere we do ... Then spins it and calls it News
Y2K Sports ive always wondered why? Why do republicans do that?
It’s amazing how John Stewart is clowning around with “bullshit mountain,” and fing around with the height, and leaving and mocking and stealing cue cards, and he’s still coming across as less of a clown and better prepared than Oreilly.
So they're BOTH idiots.
The mutant fuctards are out in force on this one.
@@SovereignStatesman What an interesting position to take.
@@SovereignStatesman It must be a lot easier to not critically engage with whats happening in front of you and just wave it away "oh they're all idiots, I don't need to engage with that or think about it". I wish I could turn off my principles like you. I bet it would be a lot less stressful.
Interesting how you aren’t listening to what matters, and pointing out things that don’t matter. I really hope you’re trolling.
@@SovereignStatesman Without fail, if a person has a founding father or past POTUS as their profile pic, they will make bad faith arguments that make you wonder how they even learned typing. And without fail they are always aggressive and rude.
Good job Tom. You are one of the OGs of this hilarious stereotype. Now go log into your burner account so you can start comments with "As a black man...."
One of the few things I like about O'Reilly is that he took this debate. I appreciate that and it seems like there's some mutual respect....finally some adults in the room.
O'Reilly has been left behind because he genuinely believed most of what he said. That's no longer how conservatives operate
These two are hilarious! If they ever made a movie about those two on a road trip around the US, I would be the first in line to watch that!
You can tell they're friends and I think it's important to see that people can disagree on almost anything and still be friends. This is what democracy comes down to. We can disagree and debate vigorously, but that doesn't mean we necessarily have to view the opponent as our deadly adversary.
Marco Schaub excellent post!
Marco Schaub best comment ever
Marco Schaub I disagree.
***** SDCISK See 1:12:44
SDCISK I respect your choice, but am curious of why you disagree
bill had to use flashcards because he knows his fans and normal audience don't understand words without pictures
Leahana Aman'dal But John wanted to use them. Fail
Frankincensed You realize he was making a joke?
O'Reily: "I think the electoral college is good"
a couple of minutes later
"I want a more participatory democracy"
Those are two separate issues.
Not really, It doesnt really matter if more people participate since our votes are controlled by unelected delegates.
+Joseph Shelley participatory government is useless with the electoral college
+Joseph Shelley why do you keep defending that fucker, troll
He contradicted himself so many times I couldnt believe it. He seems to base ever issue on how he feels about that in the moment and not in a policy based or political way.
I appreciate how two opposing ideologies can have a back and forth with little animosity, all while being entertaining and informative. Well done to you both
Tucker makes me miss O’Reilly. He was so much more agreeable with
@@patricktsai2303 yeah i absolutely despise tucker but i genuinely enjoy watching o'reilly even if i disagree with him
BYE FELICIA 🤣🤣
Everytime someone brings up disabled people and how much is spent on them I get annoyed- especially if they have the same attitude as O' Reilley. These are people. They have to survive. The people who are like O' Reilley who look down on helping disabled people have no clue how hard it is to survive on disability. It's not *LIVING* off of the government. It's barely even *surviving*.
29:15
To be fair, they don't HAVE to survive. Society won't end if they die. They have the luxury of existing in an era where they can survive and hopefully thrive. It's important to remember the difference between what is owed to someone and what is offered.
@@huuballawick You're obviously not that bright.
@@huuballawick "To be fair, they don't HAVE to survive". "To be fair.... they don't have to survive"???? What the fuck are you talking about, dude? Are you insane? Being fair is leveling the playing field, Shithead. Nothing more nothing less. That's being fair. Being fair isn't eliminating people from the game entirely.
@@huuballawick 'they don't HAVE to survive' and 'where they can survive' mean the same thing. We either make it so they can survive (and therefore, they do) or they don't. If you're trying to compare us to 3rd world countries as a reason why its ok if we just let them die, then you're just a shit head. We are a rich country, it's quite different. Either you believe in the value of a human life, or you don't. Saying they should be grateful we even provide any benefits, is just an absurd mindset. You better hope you don't ever get injured or suffer a severe sickness and end up in that situation yourself, then.
I miss John Stewart. He cut through the bullshit like a hot knife.
1000 DEGREE HOT KNIFE JON STEWERT CUTS THROUGH BULLSHIT MOUNTAIN GONE WRONG GONE SEXUAL
MultiQuanzaAVQ 😂😂😂👌🏾
handsomehippo or he spread it like a butter knive
And he doesn't agree with them because it's bullshit.
Funny liberals. Stewart just used comedy. Which unfortunately liberals see as fact.
Damn you Jon Stewart, for never running for president.
Its a sad fact that the people who WANT to be president are never the ones that would actually be an amazing POTUS.
I like Jon, but nah... no more tv show presidents.. just because a guy appears on your tv a few times a week and says some stuff doesn’t mean he should run the country.
@@jacob18310 On the issues is where i'm looking. The way you only know Jon as a guy on TV shows you haven't looked into him on the Politics. Now, i'm not demeaning you on that, as he never has voiced anything that would show he would ever run for office, but he definitely is a good human being.
@Christopher James oh no, I’ve seen him in actually serious interviews, I saw the speech he gave for 9/11 first responders and all-on the issues for sure.. all I was suggesting is that Jon isn’t politician material, he’s of much service doing his comedy gig and the political satire stuff, like clowning O’Reilly; I’d rather see Jon on tv than in Washington, leave the campaigns and the public service to those progressives that are more Washington material I guess. And yeah, no doubt he’s a good human being, he’s passionate even if it’s coming from a more clownish place
@Carlos Barron My sarcasm detector is broken so I'll just hope it's just that.
Stewart: “We’re just gonna build a wall, a double wall with crocodiles and a moat.”
Oh my boy, that didn’t age quite so well
Its crazy that this absolute exaggeration was an exact quote of T****. Its so mindboggling
See? Told you that orange menace secretly john's fan. To john's dismay.
Y'know I thought T***p had already made that statement and JS was just making fun of him 🥲 the f**k is happening
Do you know how fucking moronic it is to censor trumps name? you guys need mental help seriously.
Trump is a train wreck. He’s angry and wants to get revenge. Being buddies with Russia and China and Trump thinking he’s the smartest between the 3 is catastrophic!
Only 17 mins in, this is literally hilarious so far. I can't believe I've never seen this before. Hey UA-cam this is what you should've been putting on my sidebar the last 6 years instead of cat fail videos...so many hours wasted..
Or at least mix the algorithm up a bit. For example: O'Reilly / Stewart debate, cat fail video, GG Allin's funeral, cat fail video, transgender make-up tutorial, The Weather Channel blooper reel, *fat* cat fail video, etc.
The one like on my above comment was from me.
Dude seriously. How tf did I miss this for 8 years?
Lol
It's pretty hard to find the old Stewart stuff in general, and it's not because it's not there. I know - I've been doing it for days, because I had a sudden missing. I think 'old' quality may be being suppressed a bit, but not sure why otherwise.
Geez, anybody feel bad for the moderator? :p
47imagine Yea kinda but that's what a moderator's job is.
Isaac Planck Nah, I liked her. She let the two rocket off in the direction they needed to go in to land their points. It wasn't like they were side-tracking too much of the time.
47imagine
I also feel bad for O'Reilly. He is not at the same debate level.
47imagine I wanna mmmmmotorboat that shiiiii
47imagine Who? What moderator?
Stewart: "Why is that if you take advantage of a tax break, and you're a corporation, you're a smart businessman, but if you take advantage of something that you need to not be hungry, you're a moocher."
First, O'Reilly wasn't actually that bad here. Compared to how he usually acts on his show (which I hear is a fake persona), he was somewhat reasonable, but the above quote pretty much sums up how so much of what he said, and how the stance he was taking, was complete bullshit.
***** First off, I didn't even read all that, and I'm not going to bother considering you started off with an insult. Learn a little tact and respect if you want people to listen to you.
It's nonsensical that these corporations get ridiculous tax breaks (and in some cases, actual REFUNDS). However, it's even more ridiculous that people seem to be more mad that a small family that can't afford food needs help and gets it, than they are about a corporation, who has billions of dollars in profits, getting money back from the government because of absurd tax loopholes and bureaucratic nonsense, that they most definitely don't need.
This quote was the definition of the democrat party. Jobs come from businesses. They must expand to hire more people. What does disability or welfare have to do with creating jobs?
Hey Nathan, did you ever consider that maybe, just maybe, disabled people being able to fucking LIVE is as important as the creation of jobs? Food for thought, but clearly you aren't a thinker. If you wanna talk economics, look at Hoover vs FDR. The free market republican was pres during the Great Depression and the liberal pres fixed the economy by actually fucking doing something with the New Deal.
***** Chris, the irony is overwhelming. You say nothing but "im a big badass hardworker", and then you drop ad hominem, racist, psychopathic insults. You don't know anything about economics....you're a joke of a human being. I dropped facts on you, and you couldn't handle them.
***** Owned by propaganda? Dude, you tried to defend Fox news......
Oh the irony here.
52:25 "I think people have confused 'not being able to pray everywhere' with 'not being able to pray anywhere' and I think they've confused the 'loss of absolute power' with 'persecution.'" Damn can I get that on a t shirt?
O'Reilly: Obama should do A to pretend B from happening
Stewart: That's not true, Bush did do A and B still happened and even worse
O'Reilly: BUSH IS NOT PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exactly, just becuase he is gone doesn’t mean that trying the same thing will give a different result.
“As that is the true definition of insanity.” -Some island goer
@@blackbearsrbest9070 far cry 3?
It’s a sad world when this debate has more civil discourse than the actual presidential debates these days
Agreed...
There is, however, nothing wrong with viewing this discussion as a fine (yet entertaining) example of civility in idealogical debate.
I still enjoyed it (9 years after the fact.)
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I remember civil discourse. What a time to be alive
if by civil discourse , you mean polite ,well it's not always appropriate to be polite. and if by civil discourse you mean honest , well.. you've never gotten honesty with biden.
LOCK HIM UP !!
And way more substance too.
@@Steelburgh Thing is, there is more honesty that can happen between two people who aren't necessarily fundamentally and strictly tied to a political party. That's why politicians debating each other rarely gets to anything real and honest. It's a bunch of talking heads repeating their party talking points. Might as well have painted robots going out there.
Also, politicians are literally lobbied and sponsored by big corporations and big money interests to influence their views and policies. That's why studies have proven the views of the majority in America have ZERO impact on what legislation gets passed unless it reflects the interests of the wealthy elite class.
The capitalist system that guarantees and wealthy elite class, a shrinking middle class and a poor (as Carlin puts it to "scare the sh*t" out of the middle class) has produced a bought and paid for government just like your average person buys pizza. If everything is for sale in this socio-economic sale? Why wouldn't government and politicians be?
If we don't like that, we need to create a new system, a better system that actually empowers every regular person to have a voice, starting at the local level. That's where change has to happen, but with a shared strategy that can be adopted by any group or town around the country. That way, people can live where they live and make a better community there, but also collaboration and cooperate as they wish with a larger cooperative that enhances what they are doing with contributionism and direct democracy, something like what is happening with the One Small Town initiative, as Michael Tellinger has talked about.
This is 5 years old and its still relevant in 2017.
agreed
It's really sad actually :(
It’s still relevant because no one has solved any of these fundamental issues yet. Not One
2018 now and still relevant. Very scary
I was just thinking: If Stewart opened with that speech about Bullshit Mt. today, he would get absolutely shredded. Because the list of thing conservatives falsely believe about the US doesn't hold a candle to the list that progressives believe: That we are in the throws of a white supremacist tyranny; that women are somehow oppressed; that corporations, and the "1%" don't pay their fair share of taxes; that having and enforcing borders is racist. It was true--though somewhat exaggerated--that at this time, the conservative political block was conspiracy and fear mongering. But the conspiracy and fear mongering of the left, today, is far worse.
I'm really sad that when O'Reilly said, "You should let medical people run [the healthcare system]!" Stewart didn't counter with, "But you just said that insurance companies should run it."
That was the first thought that came to mind!
People of America, convince Jon Stewart to run for President and elect him.
Or biggest problem is that the people who we NEED to have as president are too smart to run.
TheJimtanker isn’t that ironic. I completely agree with you. People who are smart enough to run the country don’t want that job.
To expand on TheJimtanker's comment, the president alone cannot change the country. There's a complex system and movement around them. The president could want say a single-payer system like Jon said he would do but if say 67% of congress is against it then he will ultimately fail. Several people are smart enough to realize that you can't always change things from such a limited position. Which is why we see Jon's picking on specific stuff like the 9/11 firefighters and veterans in general.
Or you can look at say Bill Gates and his focus on malaria for example.
Before the 2016 election, I was dismissive of that idea. “Jon’s had too much of politics-look how old and Gray he looks! Don’t put this poor man through that again.”
Now, I’m like “Get your ass out there, Jon!! America apparently wants loud celebrities from the New York area, and you fit the bill, sir.”
@@withalittlehelpfrom3 Too many Americans reject candidates that are honest and tell it like it is with facts and figures. Would rather elect liars that make them feel good about their lives and choices.
Fox news interviews
Fox news: "What is your position on such and such and so and so?
Interviewee: My position is such and such and so-
Fox news interrupts: My point exactly now lets talk about so and such
Interviewee: Well, certainly I was getting to that, but I was actually talking about such and such-
Fox news interrupts: As it pertains to such and so. But what about such and such?
Exasperated interviewee: Well, sure, what about it?
Fox News: So your position is if such were A and so were B, then you agree with Fox news! You said it yourself, Such and so!
Interviewee: You are taking what I said completely out of context and missing my point entirely
Fox News: Well then, out with it! What is your point?
My point is, Such and such and so-
Fox news interrupts: Well, that's all the time we have for today. We want to think our interviewee for joining us!
RUTheCatalyzt OH MY GOD. EVERY. MOTHERFREAKING TIME. I NEVER LEARN ANYTHING IT'S SO FRUSTRATING
RUTheCatalyzt I do Speech & Debate, and all the Republican kids do that exact thing
Audrey Harmon Going to Fox News to learn is like going to a desert to grab a drink of water.
I know, I know. For some reason I always go back thinking it will be different. Because I try to get all sides of the argument
RUTheCatalyzt Fox news interviews
Fox news: Do you think if I announce bush as the president it will actually work ?.. I know this sounds crazy...
Public: Bush is president now, all hail bush
O'Reilly is a lot more likeable when he's not on his own show.
***** nope. reasonable guy. Ive met both olbermann and O'reilly, olbermann would not give me the time of day, could barely even get near him. O'reilly answered a couple questions for my college newspaper and was very polite, cordial, and charming. Can't speak for Stewart...
DrRockkso That's because he's not being paid to make everyone look demonized when he's not on his show. He's trying to promote his image with a more moderate appearance to those who don't watch his show. Fox, also, really does pay him to be an asshole to his guests. They like to make other opinions to look ridiculous to their zealot audience.
a lil bit ... .not alot
DrRockkso ... true ... but still a toad... everyone's nightmare landlord.
O'Reilly comes off as a dick, all the time. It's a perfect example of how never to get respect from other people. Like, I'm 5 minutes in and I can't even watch this because of how big of a dick he is.
I can’t tell if Bill needed those notecards for himself or if he’s trying to make sure his audience can understand his talking points.
“Debt. Is. Bad.” If someone ever spoke to me that way, I would immediately punch them. I know I shouldn’t, but… OOF. Talking down to the entire crowd and Stewart like that…
its funny since rich people totally love debt because its what they use to make more money.
It's interesting that, 7 years later, and these are still the same arguments we are having. And depressing. And infuriating.
Its even more depressing when YOU realize that 7 years before this and 7 more years early we were still having the same arguments.
@@JohnSmith-yd5wq ehhh. Watch the debates between George HW and Reagan. Their policies and stances are much more caring to others. And they actually have economic positions and ideas for policies! Now it seems everyone just keeps talking about welfare queens and calling scientists and medical professionals fake news just because they didn't "side" with their agenda
Thats because the average voter is unaware of Middle Out (aka: Consumer driven) economics or that 98% of their vote simply chooses between to economic systems that provide each party with traditional guiding principles. Republican is Trickle Down, Democrat is Middle Out (aka: Consumer Driven)
Both support capitalism & both have been used by previous administrations.
The only question: Which is better for ur particular family??
Thats up to the individual.....
The rest is just noise, bait to move swing voters.
Examples: Gun rights....already protected by 2nd Amendment, Religion.....protected, abortions r not mandatory, wanna protect the unborn? history shows that educating others of ur beliefs will make a bigger impact then prohibition.
Until we can get voters out of the popularity contest, voting based on a ‘vibe’ or fighting culture wars at polls (absolutely a wasted vote: culture will change policy as necessary, policy NEVER changes culture) until they get focused on which of the 2 economic systems will work for them, we will continue to hear politicians & the media reach for their vote through the typical issues that never go anywhere regardless who is elected from either party because these so-called concerns go away after the ballots r counted. They r not real to begin with.
Ya it's crazy I actually thought it was recent.america is a mess they wont fix
The common denominator is American Conservatism.
I'm super impressed with Jon Stewart's opposition research going into this. He lead O'Riely into that trap about his background beautifully
"They can't privatize their Profits and socialize their losses."
I will always say Jon needs to be talking to these people from a seat of power, not at them from the pulpit. He thinks it would break him, I think he's grounded enough for 4 or so years before bailing. We need it.
O'Reilly wants to know why more claims for arthritis. It is the Baby Boomer generation growing older and needing more care. They are a huge generation of people.
As they enter their 60s and 70s their health concerns grow.
You could be right.
i was wondering why neither one of them addressed that. it's a very simple fact.
Well that exactly one of the major problems in Denmark (and if I remember right also for Norway and Sweden), and all three countries are perfectly well working, and based on socialistic ideas.
Luckyshot But their taxes are through the roof
skateman96 Do you even know what we get in return?
Say what you will about either man but one thing is crystal clear: they are both massively entertaining when they are on screen together
How is the previous president not relevant when discussing the current administration? It's one of the most ridiculous things I've heard.
The reasoning was that the left was comparing Obama to Bush as a measurement apparatus on proficiency.. So people were saying Obama is great because Bush was bad, but the argument is, is that a President should be based on how he handles situations and not how another President handled them.
A lot of apples and oranges here…O’Reilly doesn’t represent every right nor Stewart, every left. And the words they spoke def. wouldn’t find their place in the mouths of many of the right or left. So I think we should stick to talking about what O’Reilly and Stewart said in this video.
You said, “The reasoning was that the left was comparing Obama to Bush as a measurement apparatus on proficiency.” I think you should have said, “Stewart” not "left" but anyways, it’s obvious Stewart never used Bush as a “measurement apparatus on
proficiency” in this video. But even if Stewart did do that, using one thing as a “measurement apparatus on proficiency” which is another way of saying “standard” to measure the proficiency of another is okay. We do it all the time. The new Galaxy’s battery lasts 8 hours. Welll, the iPhone is better, its battery lasts 50% longer. What’s wrong would be to say that the iPhone is good because the Galaxy is bad. And you pointed out that logical error correctly when you said “People said, Obama is good because Bush was bad.” Only problem is, I don’t think most or even many of the left and DEFINITELY not Stewart in this video thinks that way. The logic is just too outrageous. What you might be hearing from the left is “Obama is better than Bush” for whatever reasons but that’s another topic. Lastly, you said, “President should be based on how he
handles situations not how another president handled them.”
You’re absolutely correct. Again, the only problem is that Stewart didn’t say anything that would go against this. With all due respect, I think you may have carelessly used this video as a channel to voice your argument against some other liberal voices in your life.
Here's an analogy of what I think Stewart was saying. "A runner's competency is measured by how fast the runner crosses the finish line. Now, if that's the case, does the location of a runner's starting line matter in measuring how fast the runner crossed the finish line? Of course, if Runner A runs 50 meters and Runner B runs 100 meters, Runner A would cross the finish line faster. Now, what if the location of the runner's starting line was determined by how well or badly his teammate ran that same race in the previous competition?In other words, I think Stewart was saying that Obama started from a hole, running uphills because of the location he found himself in as the starting line of his race determined by the run of his predecessor. So again, does the starting line matter in determining the competency of the runner? Yes it does.
John Kim I'm talking about what is happening today in terms of arguments. I do a lot of political videos and discuss a lot of political topics with many people. What I noticed the most people like to claim Obama is great because Bush was bad, instead of comparing them individually. As a past voter of Obama in 08, I fell on this wagon that Bush is so bad so all republicans will probably be bad and therefore Obama is the obvious choice. But now a days, whenever I see a post about people arguing on Obama's Presidency, I always see someone play the Bush card like, "Yeah, but Bush sent us into Iraq and destroyed jobs. You don't think Bush was bad?"
To which I reply, "Yes Bush was bad. But we aren't talking about Bush we are talking about Obama.." So if we were talking about Obama's proficiency as President with respect to war, than it would be reasonable to compare Bush's response to war, but when people bring up a statement inconsistent with the current argument, than it is nothing more than a cop out.
As an example, "Obama is a horrible President, look at our national debt!"
- "Yeah but Bush left Obama a hell hole, he got us out of a recession."
That's an example of using a comparison that is inconsistent with the debate at hand. A better response would have been, "Yeah but that spending as produced an influx of job growth an investment!!."
So yeah my statement was reflecting modern day debates and not necessarily this video. If that clears things up?
Hey Piper, what you're touching on is probably more of an important issue at hand than comparing the logical prowess or lack thereof of Stewart and O'Reilly, which was what I was more focused on.
What your heart seems to be set on is a different topic for me but if I was to share my thoughts on it with you,
yes, no matter how sound an argument may be, if it simply leads to becoming a cop out,
and if Bush and his job as a president is being scrutinized and graded for the purpose of silver lining Obama's presidency,
I agree with you, that's gonna be one garbage of a debate.
Jon’s opening statement is the best of all time. Hands down, no question. Also has to be one of the best debates of all time. I wish there was a video of Hitchens going back and forth freely like this
See i miss this typ of debate. They are poking at each other, but it's in mutual respect and fun. Not trying to cut each other down like dogs, and they are talking about actual problems.
you think this was a "debate"?
Richard Spikman
What would you call it?
Its true i miss stuff like this
Did we watch the same debate? O'Reilly was taking potshots at Stewart every chance he got.
he was taking potshots, but the two understood what the deal was, and we're cool with it.
Stewart sure predicted Donald's wall.
Joseph Mohr, well it's more of a fence
Direct Charge, he said they wanted a wall, a double wall, with a moat and crocodiles. What Trump wants, and many of his followers, is an actual tall and solid wall. So, yes, he predicted it. - And Joseph, when I heard him say that I had to recheck the date cause I could swear he was talking about the shit that is happening this last year and not about 2012.
Commenting from 2024, he actually did.
Hey guys, stop criticizing Bill's use of those cards. They're for his fans. They can't understand sh*t without those 😂
Ah, good point. They can't comprehend arguments more than for 5 words unless there's pictures.
There have to be more debates like this. Now THAT'S a debate in good spirit and friendship.
O'Reilly wrong about UK healthcare, the NHS is second to none.
What??
a lot of conservatives against universal healthcare are wrong. i have like 35 friends who live in canada and love their healthcare, they tell me constantly that they have never had long waits, or needed to go to the u.s. for anything every time they see our media saying that is what happens.
@@tmophead NHS is consistently voted the best healthcare system in the world and I am proud of my countries nation health service and the amazing people that make it happen and their passion.
@@hephaestusfitness4758 well this didnt age well... i hope you are right and reports about the state of the NHS are false and can cope...
@@chrishuerlimann4696 that's not because of the NHS, no health system in the world could handle the coronavirus if their government dealt with it the way the brits did at the start
"Fuck it, we'll do it live!"
Kenny Tee not anymore! after that rape beef
Never forget!
I never realized O'Reilly was that tall...just goes to show you that shit can be stacked that high.
Not an especially clever joke.
Lmao, great comment
@Austin Madore I do?
@Austin Madore he does, not you?
@@danielbrown1724 good one
I would give anything to have the debates be like this today. You can tell these guys at least have an underlying respect for each other as human beings. Its impossible to beat Stewart, but O'Reilly joking and having civil discussions is incredibly refreshing when you compare to the last decade of 100% mudslinging.
Civility went out the window with the last guy and O Reilley and his whole propaganda network is a big part of the reason we are where we are today. ..
"Social security is income redistribution."
"No, it's not."
Sweet christ, is O'Reilly real or is this like verbal pro wrestling and he's the jobber?
o reilly coming out without music and announcement against the current world champ and thought he would get in a few offense moves :D
It isn't wealth redistribution. You aren't taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor. Everybody pays into it and everybody takes out of it. In fact it is actually more regressive than progressive.
I thought the man was satire at the start of this
@@MaryBeth321123 that's a lie told by people that want to cut social security and put more money into the military. Social security is extremely stable.
Is it just me or do O'Reily's cards make him look like somebody who is reading a powerpoint that they didn't make?
Ronald Crump youre name is awecking fusome
Jack Meehoff w
Makes him look asshole, which is perfect because he totally is.
Yup
Ya, and he fails to stay on topic, or follow the point that Stewart has clearly been making.
This is the tone a debate should have! Friendly discourse. Underneath the humour and jabs you can see both men respect each other. They're playing the facts, not the person. I really like that. I used to really, really dislike O'Reilly. But this showed a different side to the man. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I kinda like this O'Reilly. I don't agree with him, but he made some fair points and I respect him for going head to head with Steward in what is really Steward's arena. Lets be honest here, Steward is a professional comedian of the highest order. O'Reilly is a law graduate as far as I can tell. So all things considered, he did well.
I agree... Old billy o has always showed good humor with stewart.... It just worked well during the bush years
I'm not american, but these two together are great. Very intertaining and informative.
I'm not a fan of O'Reilly's political stance. But he and Stewart are so fun to see debate these issues because of how they can poke fun at each other.
And, as a fan of Stewart and a liberal person, I have to acknowledge that O'Reilly makes some cogent points. The Debt is an issue (though I think he ignores how unsolvable an issue it is without raising taxes), and he is correct in correcting Stewart that Clinton ran a deficit surplus, not wipe out the national debt. Stewart is largely right that O'Reilly ignores the broader context of these issues, though, and that seems to be the large difficulty with constructive debate on this issue. That and the fact that many claims made by FOX really do seem otherworldly, and complete disconnected from reality.
1:21:15 - This, though, is a rare moment of clarity for Bill, being right on the mark. Radical reporting and disinformation and hate replace discourse with shouting, and the internet makes a poor forum for debate. Fox News is part of this problem, of course, and O'Reilly has always been very good at ignoring that fact (how could he not!?) But even deeper, the social media, tiny blogs and independent news sites, each with less editorial integrity than the last, blotting out contradictory information and arranging the remainder into outrageous propaganda, sharing this information (which may not even be true) with a general public without the time to fact check: it's going to become a problem, for both sides. We cannot depend on people to be their own editors, to treat every amateur journalist with suspicion. So this is a very cogent remark.
I think it's ironic how this comment sections directly demonstrates that. People making insulting remarks about the debaters. Name calling, accusations, passive aggressive remarks. None add anything to the message or discourse. They merely infuriate, spark arguments over trivialities. We're all guilty of it. I'm just ashamed that people in general are, at their core, so petty and irrational.
Very well said.
A man can be rational, Man is irrational. What shocks me is that you can recognize that fact and continue to be a liberal, as liberal theory is founded upon the assumption of Man's rational nature.
....and yet to add insult to injury.....Donald Trump has a tweeter account. Not part of the solution, but the problem.
+keymaker2112
People being irrational at times (they are neither completely rational or irrational) does not mean that societal policies should not be designed in a rational manner with the intent of improvement. Between that and what I find to be the highly irrational nature of many conservative policies in the US (such as the rejection of science on the issue of climate change, or the intense and unfounded fears many of them have on crime and gun control), I really think there's no competition. In other words, just because people are not perfectly rational automatons does not mean that we should treat society like chaos either.
Nathan Hopkins
Duh. Of course social/political organization should be rational, no one but a bunch of filthy anarchists would say differently, as they rationalized their irrational organization and missed the irony.
My point was that all of liberal theory, the whole concept of human rights and representative government rests upon the unfounded assumptions of Egalitarianism, Tabula Rasa and Rationalism and that by rejecting Rationalism you can't very well call yourself a liberal.
As for the mantra, "The Enemy is irrational," what a joke. They would merely turn around and call you or I irrational as well and we would go on, everyone calling a dissenting or unpalatable view "irrational" instead of acknowledging the horrible truth of the matter.
Namely, the enemy is not irrational, he merely has different values and priorities than I do that forbid political cohabitation beyond a certain point, which we are fast approaching.
Why would anyone agree to go up against the intellect and sharp mindedness of Jon Stewart? Many have come, all have failed.
7munkee u look like a good judge of character
Jejune Brozv racist
7munkee Its obviously the same in this debate I mean you don't need to listen to whats being said just the audience reaction,everything stewart says=rapturous applause,o reilly makes a good point=silence
To you the have failed because you have a biased opinion. It makes me so frustrated that there is people that still support socialism even tho history is replete with the society's failing. Please reconsider you stance.
Adam Wintetbottom Do you pay into social security? Have you ever gone to public school? Used a public library? Student loan? Imagine what your life would be like without any of these "socialist" programs. Quit spouting the political slogans and use your head. And get down from bullshit Mountain.
We live in an ageing population so yes expect a lot more arthritis.
Ozzy Bogan Tech my thoughts exactly
James Davis you are wrong. Ageing population. Grow up
@@taylorbrewing literally just there are more old people than before because of increasing life expectancy like
Why won’t Jon run for president? The world needs you to right that ship.
JON STEWART PLEASE COME BACK
...I'm not a particularly religious fellow, but Jon may be a prophet of the Lord.
Jordon Depoti
considering he's Jewish he wouldn't be a prophet for the lord.
He definitely had me sayin, "Hallelujah!"
Jordon Depoti Jon 3:15
Abhishek Singh, care to prove it?
11:50
Stewart: "I believe in social security, do you believe in social security?"
O'Reilly "Yes, -"
Stewart "So we're both socialists."
See, that's the thing people don't get about socialism. It's not about taking what you have, it's about fairly letting people take care of one another on the state's coin, but to do that you *need to pay your taxes* fairly. And by fairly, I mean the highest income pays a higher percentage of tax, because they have the money to live on even without the extra being paid to the state, and that money goes into important, life and country saving shit. Though, that's my opinion, based on how it works here in Norway, and the system here works nicely.
Kris Doyle same here in switzerland. and norway and switzerland are the happiest countries in the world, aka least poverty, high living standarts, good jobs, much free time.
Kris Doyle that's mixed or centralist ideology...what an illiterate moron.... doesn't know anything
Kris Doyle same in Germany
Kris Doyle Whats the population of Norway in contrast to the US? You believe someone should pay a higher *percentage*?? How do people earn money? You believe that because someone is rich that they took it from someone else, or that they cheated? And please, don't use the few corrupt on wall st who cheat the system to represent every wealthy person. You believe that the government should take your money and decide how to spend it. You believe that it's moral to take money away from someone's bank account and hand it over to a total stranger who did not earn it. That's the very definition of income inequality. 2 people performing different tasks but end up with the same pay after deducting a higher amount of taxes from the one who worked harder and/or created a product more valuable. Socialism doesn't fit with the American dream
Ian Well, if the American Dream leaves a significant amount of people in poverty where the system has turned against them even despite their best efforts to get ahead in life legitimately, then the American Dream has become bullshit.
Jon Stewart absolutely crushed that poor O'reily 😂
"We are going to build a wall"!!!??? Jon Stewart 2012
He saw it coming
8 years later, and I wish Jon was still around doing this stuff. He thought it was bad then, the Republican party built bullshit mountain up even higher then he would have ever dreamed.
Oooh boy you were looking into the future.
@@timursimon3557 And you too, my friend
Lol dude look at the fuckin left. They pushed them that far right. Who cares, they're all crazy.
more like Bullshit space station at this point
@@Pussmash no way you can make that argument
I suddenly like Bill, even though I disagree with almost everything he has ever said. I love Jon. Smart as hell and his light shines on Bill in this debate and makes Bill appear a lot more human than I have ever seen him. He is not so bad.....just caters to his base I guess and that makes him look crazy most of the time.
exactly how I thought. Off air, Bill comes off just as honest as Jon. It's just unfortunate that there's more prejudice towards O'Reily for live debates than prejudice towards Stewart.
He's a hell of an actor on Fox News, the script makes him to appear stupid, when in reality, even though I am like I disagree with a lot that he has to say; he is actually intelligent.
That is the most... wow. *human* thing I have ever read in a youtube comment. Good for you, sir!
Nik Saunders Yes bill has a type of intelligence and also an absence of wit. It seems as if his limited vocabulary is holding him back even though he is a person who deserves respect. You could go bowling with him.
How can you people not realise that the fact that he is intelligent and therefore knows he is full of shit makes him a significantly more evil person! I have no problem with a dumb person promoting wars around the world and calling them savages when they retaliate because other people don't listen to them. What Bill does is slowly brainwash the stupid people of America to agree with the atrocities both in and out of America commited by their government and corporations. If he is a nice guy outside of his work he must be a raging sociopath because I have never met a genuinely nice person who for any amount of money would be willing to pretend to have the beliefs he does.
One of the best presidential debates I’ve ever watched.
And it’s not even a presidential debate 🫠
Trump would eat both of these guys lunches
@@michael-4k4000 45 can’t even string together two coherent sentences without rambling
@@michael-4k4000Trump couldn’t hang with either of these guys.
I think the saddest thing about this video is that after hearing Trump for a year, Bill O’Reilly seems middle ground. Something I never thought I’d hear myself say is that he seems rational, amiable and non-egoistic when compared to our current climate. The fact that he agreed with Jon a few times, didn’t take jokes about himself too seriously, and didn’t back up his beliefs with insane non-facts felt so, so weird.
What happened to the America in this video? Where two people took the same information and just interrupted it differently, rather than making up information or pretending information is no longer important anyway? :(
Yeah, he believes all the bullshit but he's not retarded and a man-baby.
Nikki Korin
Of course he does on his show he demonstrates a measure of hegimony it sells but here he is given a chance to employ centrist attitude as a form of agency I always thought he was to smart to tow the party line in to a debate
I feel the exact same. I found myself nodding at a few things Oreily was saying. I wouldn’t have ever done that when this actually took place. Up is the new down, or vice versa. I just know I’m confused.
well that's ridiculous on your part then--he has always been middle compared to the rest of the right--that's why him and Jon have had a friendship for so many years. Pay attention! lol
also, it was heart-wrenching to hear Jon say all these things that I used to believe about the Democratic party, until after 8 years of Obama. And I realized, regardless of who is in power we will bomb, and kill, and murder children, and install governments. Obama ended up doing thrice over what Bush did. I agree with every word Jon said, but how could we have known a Democrat would have ended up doing even worse. I guess I should have paid more attention to history.
Alex DiCenzo great for you buddy, you wanna badge?
Who in today's media could participate in this sort of debate? Different views, but still respectful and appreciative of each other.
Alan Sorensen. No one.
Tommy Lauren (might have misspelled) and Trevor Noah had a pretty good debate on the Daily show.
saying "no one" is completely untrue. we just believe that no one can because the canyon between the two parties has continually grown, especially over the past 20 or so years, and even more so since trump took office. at this point you have a man telling american born congresswomen to go back where they came from. we are seeing right now, at this moment, what our people are truly made of. what morals they stand for. if they support trump, regardless of being republican, democratic, undecided, etc etc, they have no values. you cannot look as a man who says those things, who dodged the draft, who has never been known to go to church or speak about faith of any kind, who has had endless affairs, sexual assault/misconduct and rape accusations, and a lifetime of tax evasion and say "who cares, the economy is still doing well". that is someone having absolutely zero moral fiber.
anyway, my point on that is that trump has caused even more of a rift, because your average american cannot understand how someone can support him. it is so outside the realm of logic that you can't entirely have a debate over the current administration be civil. This is because he has done so many awful things, said so many incoherent, incompetent things, that if you are debating a trump supporter, you are debating someone who ignores all science, logic, and moral standards. in the past it was more of differing opinions on our political system and a real debate could be had.
If Trump could actually debate without literally name-calling people maybe we could.
Undermining strong valid arguments & points with silly humor & cussing is respectful?
I'm a moderate Republican, and I really miss John Stewart.
No such thing anymore. Probably more of a democrat at this point. Either that or you're an extremist Trumpist red cap.
There is such a thing as the Republican middle. People like me that believe that the economy should come before social issues, but acknowledge that they can't be ignored either. That honestly couldn't give two shits about gay marriage, but still have issues with abortion. That believe in climate change, but aren't willing to damage the economy and leave ourselves at the mercy of foreign markets to combat it. Not every republican agrees with Trump, just like how not every liberal acts like a precious snow flake.
Jay Winter
So where the hell was your kind during the election? We were drowned out in a sea of stupidity. Loud, stupid, misinformed republicans took over everything, despite being the visible minority. You were supposed to be there for the country when we needed you the most.
Jay Winter
8 years focused on social issues? I won't even bother addressing such a ridiculous statement. You don't sound like a moderate republican. Especially if you're "closing your nose" by voting for a demagogue who has spit on the constitution, American values, and even proposed a protectionist, anti-freetrade bowl of lies as an economic agenda. I don't think you're as moderate as you think you are. Moderate republicans closed their nose and voted for Clinton. Independents closed their noses and voted for Trump.
+Jay Winter All due respect, but I will never understand that mindset. I was a Bernie vote, but in all honesty, I could have tolerated status quo for 4 more years. That said, I think the progressive movement landed its punch, and the DNC has been forced to follow "The Art of War" ideal that when equally matched, split, and re-evaluate.
These two have to best the best frenemies of the 21st century. They just go back and forth like a duo act.
It's the hatred. Keeps the heart strong ❤
Did O’reilly have his grandkids make those flash cards? What the hell are those? 😂
@luk x no, shut the fuck up.
Ikr? I was laughing every time he brought a new one out 😂
I thought they brilliantly illustrated Stewart's claim that the people on Bullshit Mountain try to sharpen everything into narrow points instead of looking at the big picture and understanding how many things are interrelated.
i honestly feel like those cards are so funny they couldn't even be parodied lmao
"Bush is gone, it was not his fault"
Well, now we can say to Trump:
"Obama is gone, its not his fault"
You know full well if they debated again he would constantly mention Obama now.
I don’t see a lot of crying about Obama, I mostly see Obama trying to take credit for success in the economy and other things.
@@stonehouseguitars3869 yeah I think that's how echo Chambers work.
What's being blamed on obuma? All Trump does is succeed.
@@chipgaasche4933 you mean succeed at defrauding the American public to achieve political success?
How boring - it turns out they BOTH really only want good for their country's future.
Jon Stewart for president 2024!!!!