Guys... there were cameras at the game. Hence the famous photo of Wilt. There were thousands of fans watching the game who can tell us what happened. There were scorekeepers (both official and unofficial) same as there are now. There were multiple people who recorded the game and you can listen to the radio broadcast right now online. They were playing in Hershey, PA against an awful Knicks team. Why the heck would television companies send a camera crew when they didn't go to every game anyways? That Knicks team ended up 29-51. That game was basically a blow out and the Warriors players just purposefully did what they could to get Wilt to 100 (if only to add some excitement). This is the same season where Wilt averaged 50pts and the inflation of possessions and points makes it possible to score 100. Kobe's 81 is arguably more impressive because of how close the game was and the relative pace of the era, but Wilt scored 100. This isn't a theory, it's a fact.
@@trevorsmith3872 And there were fans with individual items like tape recorders and stat sheets. Some of which was later used to flesh out the evening for records in like the 80s
Everyone goes crazy over us not having footage of wilts 100 point game, they don’t realize we don’t have the footage of literally over 90% of Wilt’s games. Everyone says we have footage of “every other game”, but we literally don’t.
They literally have the audio broadcast in which they call out all the made baskets in the 4th quarter. And there were only 200 people in attendance at the game. The NBA just wasn't as big back then. College was arguably bigger.
All the other sports were more popular than basketball… that game happened in 1962 they didn’t even record steals and blocks until 1973… people just lack critical thinking lol
Harvey Pollack recorded the Wilt game. He’s a HOF statistician, and was around in the NBA from Day 1 till he died in 2015. He’s arguably the most credible source to get stats from that ever existed. If he’s lying, then you can’t believe anything anyone says about hoops.
The fans who think wilt didn't score 100 are too stupid to think about any counter argument you provide for 5 seconds they're just gonna say "me see no camera me think it's no real! Unga bunga!" So don't even bother
As some people have already said, the real issue is not about teams taking 3's and using analytics to score that is a good thing. The problem is that defense is too restricted by comparison. A simple fix would be to dial back the no-contact on defense rules and remove 3 second rules like they have in FIBA so bigs can guard the paint properly.
@@Bigedub101best that would do is cause teams to have 2-3 more turnovers. At worst, you will see less iso (ie less kyrie 1v1s) and more pick and roll spams as well as dribble hand-offs. And also more 3pt shots since most travels come from drives
@@andrayday8064Wilt was the "white mans black man". Look into his opinions on the social movements of the time and the idea of holding him up as a shining example of a "black man shutting up and going with the flow" makes a whole lot of sense.
There’s literally audio for that 100 point game because not every game was shown in that time period only big games were televised like a wilt vs bill but smaller games were just broadcasted on the radio
I’m glad yall brought it up. The Lakers DO NOT need a third all star. Just retool roll players and either have Darvin Hss as m leveling up as a coach or we get a new coach. There’s no real reason roster wise why we are bad other than TRASH rotations. And Cam Reddish must have dirt on Ham too
austin reaves, christie and a 1st for dejounte murray would be top 3 greatest trade the lakers made in their franchise history lol. thats just straight up robbery
@@connorsmith6517 austin reaves is not a better fit than dejounte. anything that austin reaves does dejounte does at a higher level but drawing free throws. its the truth lol
I just auto assume basketball fans who say "no defense" or "rules that benefit offense" are just dumb. 90s defenders would have to resort to beating up the players of today in an attempt to stop them. I whole heartily believe that the mfs dropping 70 today would've dropped 80+ back in the day. The mfs are just better.
Imagine Giannis and LeBron play bully ball and throw elbows when they want. Old heads always assume their players can adapt to modern NBA but say modern players wouldn’t be able to adapt to their era. Old heads are full of hypocrites, and delusional memories.
@@TheBoiRusty its especially stupid because like solz said 90s and 2000s are outliers. The game is usually never that slow or physical and somehow they think those eras are the center of the universe.
Terrible take, players like Luka and Embiid flopping and taking 20+ free throws ain't nature. You can't play defense, almost every rule is designed to free up offensive players. Adam Silver has literally said he wanted to have more offense and put rules in to have more offense
@@HighKey_Mars thats a dumb take because you can clearly see players (like steph) who dont take as many free throws and still put up numbers. If steph got embiid calls he woulda dropped 80 by now
Theres a difference between the finals for a championship and a regular season game when hardly anything made it onto TV. They didn't put regular season games on TV when the ABA wasn't even making enough money to let players focus solely on basketball. 90% of the ABA had regular day jobs when Wilt scored 100.
And it was a sorry team, they didn't have a fan base like now which why n small arena and people forget thry didn't fly like now, probably was on bus and met up in the middle
I was born in the mid 80s, and I'll easily say basketball is crazy and beautiful to watch now. If there is a complaint to have, and it's not analytics, it's with the rise of analytics, we've seen further handicapping of defense and looser standards for the offense (moving screens, rolling screens, carries being default handling); between those 2 issues, it makes analytics ball seem dishonest, the defenders have to play at such a high level to be just "good" it makes me wonder how effective analytics would be without it's current vacuum.
i hate when ppl say that wilts didn’t score 100 points cus why on earth would yt ppl in the 1960s lie about a black man achieving greatness 😂 plus there’s over 4000 eyewitnesses AND radio audio documenting the event like come on what’s the point of taking away from Wilts career
People who don’t understand how much more talented and how much better they are say “it’s a soft league and no defense is played.” It’s just so ignorant cause luka 73 point game just shows no matter how hard you try to shade or double or even play one on one they will find a way to get a bucket. Wether that be the open man when you double immediately or killing them on a one on one match up add that with all the possessions in a game and then you have the offense we have now.
Sure Melo was a great scorer. He gets hated on because he generally fell off in the playoffs and became a huge reason why his team couldn’t succeed in the post season
Also I think people want to see defense go back to handchecking and roughing players up is because its something that doesn't require as much skill and coordination making people at home have something they can relate to. Anyone thats strong can use handchecking decently or just push you off your spot but it takes actual skill to stay in front of someone and or use team defense to lock up and get a stop.
You can basically handcheck in the nba right now. But if we go back to the 90s handchecking, it's just going to lead to more free throws anyway. Players are way too good at creating contact nowadays.
I love Derrick White - _that's_ _my_ _son_ - but you're perma-high if you think you can swap him an Brunson *and* New York would have the same level of success rn.
That section of the video with carmelo talking out his ass is wild Mero doing his best to get a Brazzers contract the way he just be riding Carmelo and Carmelo is just talking pure nonsense
If we had footage of the game before and the game after, that would be a perfectly good argument. However, there were so many games not recorded, that it's not that unbelievable there isn't footage.
Another problem with scoring is that we are witnessing an evolution of the game just as powerful as the 3 point revolution, but for some reason we just don't put the 2&2 together. Embid is a 7'1 five shooting middis something most 5s can't defend and Luka is a 6'8 guard being able to cook 1-5s and is usually guarded by a 6'4 point guard. It's not lack of defense, not shitty coaches its a personnel problem. In the coming years there will be more 6'8 guards that will be able to better defend Luka from a physical perspective if nothing else. 1-5s will get bigger what we are seeing is just a start, and the few player's that outsize their position and are just as skilled are dominating right now.
We don't have the footage of most of wilt's games. At this point in history nobody gave a fuck about the NBA. It didn't even out perform college ball in popularity. Why would some random regular season game in 1962 be recorded?
Wilts 100 point game was on a random night.. it wasn’t a special game so why would that be recorded. You’re comparing the last game of the season that determines the winner to a regular season game against one of the worst teams in the league.. cmon now
Balldontstop technically aint wrong. Everything now is just PNR and try to get a open 3 teams used to have identities Grizzlies post up and defense Knicks iso heavy with Melo and stat Spurs ball movement Lakers triangle Even the Jamal Crawford, Lou will type player is being taken out because long twos and volume shooters off the bench go against analytics
he is wrong. post ups aren't as efficient when there isn't illegal defense iso heavy/hero ball is bad. runs too much time out of the clock. possessions are too long.
@Axzide I'm not saying come down to the court and call quick iso. But there's no reason out of the 30 centers only about 8 are good in the post. Mitchell Robinson and Claxton are like 7 footers and u can't throw them the ball down low
Why is it so hard to believe Wilt at 7'2 275 couldn't score 100 points on a team where the tallest defender was 6'9 210lbs? Damn Skippy they would've fouled him 20 times a quarter and damn Skippy they would've given Wilt the ball on literally every possession like they did. Come on guys, you can't simultaneously trash the level on competition in the 60s while saying that the hyper inflated numbers were impossible. Unless you think the cream of the crop in that era would be trash in this one. Which would be false.
Great video. I really would’ve like to hear your takes on the current state of NBA defense. If rules were changed to buff perimeter D, then maybe we are able to have a slightly more diverse profile of viable player play styles.
Sage definitely trolling on that Wilt part because it seems like there is a fair amount of people saying that many of Wilt’s games weren’t even televised and bringing up a really good point in: “why would there be a lie created to make a black man look good in the 60s?” 😭
On some shit....no, we don't have footage of every other game. In fact, we don't have footage of most games. Hell, you can't get an accurate look at a lot of stats, depending on the year they started being recorded. Like, that's easily the take I hate the most.
That first vid wasn't complaining about the high talent, it was complaining about the rules removing defensive pressure through removing all elements of contact.
You don't know a player is going to drop 100 points before the game starts. Televising games costs money and still does today hence the reason their a couple "Nationally Televised" games while most games are not nationally televised. In the 60s, basketball still being something that only existed as a professional sport a little over 10 years at that point, the NBA would not have the funding to spend on a throw away regular season game. The reason you have full game footage of Bill vs Wilt in the finals is because it's ya know, the NBA finals, you as a company would want to spend your money on what is supposed to be the most important game you can possibly have, regardless of what the outcome is, it's a big moment. This is something you can logically deduce just from putting things into context. Why Agent got so upset to the point of yelling is absolutely insane though XD. you mean we just gonna act like Andre Drummond, a back up tier center that averages 8 & 8, this season having a fucking 24 point 20 rebound game as something not crazier than one of the top 15 All Time players getting 100 points while ball hogging against scrubs? You can't say "oh they are playing plumbers" but then say "no way he scored 100" those ideas are conflicting. And if they were to "lie and make it up" why only one game? Why only a single 100 point game, why not 2? Why not give Bill Russell a 57 rebound game while we're at it? The final score was 169-147, players today are dropping 70+ in games where both teams have over 120 points, Kobe dropped 81 in a game that had a final score of 122 - 104. Getting 100 points in a game with scores over 140 points each isn't crazy if anything it adds up.
Exactly Kobe averaged 35 and scored 81, so guess 81 isn't plausible and most people wasn't tuned to that game cause wasn't even nationally televised like 50 of the other Lakers were during that time
@@Bigedub101 i really don’t get what’s so hard for people to understand, we quite literally DO NOT HAVE the vast majority of the games from that time because pretty much no one cared about the league and even outside of that a TON of games from various sports were never televised. On top of all this we have the stat sheets from probably the most reliable stat keeper ever plus literal audio recordings, also if they were gonna lie for anyone it’d be jerry west and not the black icon in wilt chamberlain
People who don't believe Wilt scored 100 either don't know basketball history and assume every game was recorded or just want to believe conspiracies... Or they're Kobe fans trying to invalidate the 100 so that Kobe has the highest scoring game ever.
wait a minute, so wilt averaging 50 isn't questioned but him scoring 100 is? If the man could AVERAGE 50 what makes u think he couldn't get to 100? Also do y'all really think that the nba or america in general from back in the 60's where racism was still alive and well would lie to make a black man look good and have that record? Really? In the 60"s? They ain't lying to the public to make a black man look good in those days lol
I agree with a lot of the complaints about current NBA defenses. They are being handicapped in their effectiveness because the rules do favor offensive players now, especially when it comes to fouls. However, let's say that the NBA changed the rules again to help the defenses even the playing field. FIBA rules, sans lack of goaltending. 1) That will not stop the best offensive players. They probably won't be droppping 60+ or 70+, but they can still bust your favorite team's ass for 40+ or 50+ on any given night. They didn't become as good as they are by not evolving or changing their game. 2) Something called reading and reacting. When the NBA changed the rules to favor offense more, defenses adjusted. If they do that for defenses now, offenses will adjust, too. We'll probably see more ball/player movement, less isos, more post ups so the big can draw contact and get to the line, actual plays being called to counter the defense, etc. Every action has a reaction. You win the games by having more points on the board than the other team, not just by shutting them down. I see the point, but there's a lot of other factors that those people are not considering.
Y’all said all that & didn’t address the fact that without empowering the defenders then the further the game gets from being competitive…!!!! And I think after watching every possession getting dumped into the paint in throughout the 80’s-90-‘s & then teams going more towards shooting 3’s, I think the natural progression would’ve been a mixture between the two & not completely getting rid of competitive play…!
I don't really lean into the whole "better basketball" argument, I definitely think the lack of contact helps some top scorers. I think they should allow hand checks past the 3 pt line. I think its a fair rule given the amount of 3s taken.
Although high paced basketball has been the style of play for the majority of the NBAs history, There’s a reason why the 90s and 00s are by and large considered the best eras. BALANCE is key. Nobody wants to see a sport that’s 90% offense and 10% defense
The early 90's are fast too. And the early 00's is a exception in NBA history when come to low pace and low scoring. I agree balance is key. Also nobody considered the early 00's to be part of the best era, it's just that the majority of adult actually grew up in the 90's and 00's, but his it was some years ago i would be the 80's and 90's. Give it some years and it will be the 10s, and so on and on
This channel hate best NBA era, 90s. Every tome someone Said positive about 90s, they shit on him, calling stupid. Can we have opinion. But... They watch one game and finals 😅 and because of one game they think this is basketball od 90s. To watch Bulls vs Knicks or Magic. To watch Suns vs Sonics or Rockets. This two think Always they above others. I don't Like this. I think 90s is best NBA era, they Don't think and ok, different opinion but they so insecure and every time made video about that
@@paquinraino8180exactly it was fast all way til 95. Then teams got old as hell and slowed down. By 1999 they scored 91 and game and slow as shit. Even real fans said was boring which basically was the Spurs now everyone wanna say miss that.. They Hella capping
@@Bigedub101 Exactly hey dismissed he Spurs and Duncan because they are boring but now all of a sudden, "we missed the slow & defensive Spurs like type of basketball". Then why y'all were so focused on Kobe scoring and no on Duncan defensive prowess then? I'm prey sure hey can't respond honestly
@@AlenTudjabut let's not act like that wasn't the nor then. 91-78 was an average score during the 90s and not bc of defense. During the 90s you had 2 maybe 3 guys of the team who could shoot and get baskets, now the whole team can get buckets. The average player today is miles ahead better than the average player of the 90s...
I've found that current day NBA just isn't for me. I still love the game of basketball, I still do watch highlights and I do listen in to keep up, but I'm not invested. It's a combination of things like the style of play, for the most part, just isn't attractive to me, the officiating just seems off (travelling, carrying, reaching in etc etc, the classic complaints), and a few other things. It's not for me, so I just don't watch games. I just seem to enjoy FIBA rules more. That said I also know that there is someone else out there that enjoys the hell out of current day NBA. It is what it is.🤷♂
Wilt's game was exactly 100 because he hit free throws to get to 100 because eventually all the other team could do was foul. And once he hit 100, wilt intentionally missed the rest of his shots and free throws because he thought the round number of 100 was cooler and looked prettier than, say, 103, or 107.
3:11 yea you can….if you can play defense on the other side and have at least 2 dudes that can make 3s…the main thing is defense being a non factor now
I’ll say this for wilt, it’s not like he announced “I’m scoring 100” it just happened, heck wilt and bill finals matchup happened post 1962, why they had those finals? Just to make sure they don’t get screwed out of another giant game. There’s no holiday, no matchup, it wasn’t even in Philly.
Nah, wilt not scoring a hundred is hot fucking ass. In 1961? For a black man? Hell no. Also, Wilt took 63 shots, made 36 of them, and got to the line 32 times. Which means he shot the ball at least 79 times, if not more due to and one's. That was only his second most free throw attempts of the season, too. About 10 days earlier on February 22, he took 34 of them shits. He had 4 separate 30+ fta games, two 60+ fga games, and five 50+ fga games in that season alone. He had 42 40+ fga games and 60 30+ fga games. This dude put up everything. He had the greenest green light in the history of the NBA. He was chucking everything. And his teammates tried to get him to 100 after he had 70 in the third, and he still holds the record for most fgas in a quarter with 21, which he took in the fourth. It was basically his version of D Books 70 point game. Wilt's truly, completely unbreakable bullshit record imo will always be the fact that he averaged 48.5 minutes per game that season. People could probably replicate some of Wilts bullshit if they played all 48 minutes of every single game and took 40 shots per game, but no modern NBA player is ever going to be allowed to do either of those things. There's a decent number of dudes that could drop 100 if they had 63 shots and 32 free throw attempts to get it, even without the 3.
If the nba tightened the defensive rules a bit it would make a lot of people happier Im not talking about the 80s or 90s rules where people were body slamming people.more like fiba rules a little be less movement not like the 90s but enough where there is some pressure on shooters
"Melo cared too much about scoring 30, then winning the game" paraphrasing Billups but yeah that and being fuming mad when Lin took the tiniest but of shine from him, that's what makes him selfish
Its called playoff modeeee. Sage is right we will make the right moves before playoffs and make a decnt run we WILL make conference again will we win? Fuck no.
Ngl I actually agree with that first take tho it’s ultimately the rules being bent time and time again for stars tbh and the lack of intensity that can be displayed on defense these days. TikTok bro lowkey cooked tbh Edit: the first TikTok dude never “asked the nba to regress” with his takes bro literally stated that there’s no balance in the sport anymore. Offense is overly favored and the defense in a sense is handicapped due to the rules. Bro just said the lack of balance makes the NBA seem a lil annoying to watch during the regular season and tbh I kinda agree
For the first take I will say I see your side of it, but to complete take out a part of the game is a problem. Look at the nuggets they are one of the very few teams even using the post with jokic (some times) and they won the chip.
A finals game and a random regular season game is 2 different things Sage. And back then they didn’t record every game like they do now. It had to be a televised game for it to be recorded. Actually it was like that for most of the history of the nba. Plus why would they lie for a black man in the 60s. Wouldn’t they just say Bob Cousy did it if they were gonna lie about a 100 point game
We need to stop saying Ad should be our first option you basically asking Ad to be the best defender on the team and make up for dlo and Reaves awful defense, you asking Him to be the best rebounder, and you are asking him to be a post playmaker, now you want the offense to run threw him (pause). It's idiotic because when you have Lebron a top-5-ish offensive player why would will tell our second-best offensive player to control the offense. We also need to stop acting like age matters for Lebron even if he's 39 he is getting paid like a first-option and he is playing like a first-option. The reason this team have been so bad offensively because we are getting the ball to Ad waiting until he gets double and creating our offense from there we need to either give Lebron the ball or have Lebron play off-ball as he has but create more pin downs, more open 3point attempts, more post-ups, more cuts while still allowing him to be ball dominant when he has 3 shooters in the lineup and a lot of pick n rolls. If we haven't noticed that when we played our best basketball it came in the IST when Lebron 26pts, 8reb and 8ast and controlled a lot of our offense on and off the ball. Ad averaged 23 points, 14 reb and 3 blocks in these games we beat the Pacers, pelicans, and Suns who all are top 6th teams in their conference. All I'm saying is let Lebron score the points while Ad play defense we can't have one player do everything on offense when we have a player who is simply better on offense
You guys gotta react to flights top 100 NBA players list. It's the craziest damn list I've ever seen. He got Luka and Giannis top 10 all time and doesn't even have Magic in the top 15.
I am always amazed at how delusional the nostalgia around the 90s and 2000s has become, i watched both eras and basketball has become so much more enjoyable today. The 90s were full of slow post-ups, out of shape players and a barrage of terrible midrange shots. Defense was more brutal but not better, the avg level of talent in todays league is so advanced that i would bet all my money that at least 80% of NBA players in the 90s would not even come close to making the nba today. Basketball has advanced and it is for the better.
Let’s stop the cap, if NBA teams are able to score near 150 points let’s stop acting like the defense isn’t worse, we’re not saying we want the defense to be like the early 2000s where people are scoring 90 a game just stop nerfing the defense… and let’s get some balance stop acting like it’s just evolution of the game alone
The first take is completely wrong though, literally in the 80s, 90s & early 00's alot of the games were literally on Television, it was at one point (1991-2002) the Worlds Sport. Now its not anymore, not as popular, not the ratings. And trust me when I say this, bring back the rules of the 90s all the numbers will drop back to the 90s. Also if you relieve believe basketball from back then is "so" much worse then watch the 92 or 93 finals. In my opinion thats the peak of basketball.
the nba is not as popular as back then? maybe. but basketball is 100% times bigger now, player pool is also bigger. game just harder and different now. 92/93 finals is horrible basketball
@@Axzide "Horrible basketball" 1993 NBA Finals game 4 Jordan: 55 Points Charles Barkley: 32pt Triple Double 1992 NBA Finals game 5 Jordan: 46 points Clyde Drexler: 30pt Double Double and yes, Jordan himself is more popular than the modern NBA. He was the only Global athlete in basketball history, due to his shoes and his winning capability.
Idk if I'm in a minority but as a laker fan I absolutely love Dlo. He seems to bring so much personality and life to the team and aside from Bron seems like the best locker room guy.
The first take he isn’t fully wrong he’s not complaining that everyone is paying good basketball he’s complaining that’s there are a lot of rules that decrease defense in the league while the rules forward more to offense which is why ppl score so easily now
Guys... there were cameras at the game. Hence the famous photo of Wilt. There were thousands of fans watching the game who can tell us what happened. There were scorekeepers (both official and unofficial) same as there are now. There were multiple people who recorded the game and you can listen to the radio broadcast right now online.
They were playing in Hershey, PA against an awful Knicks team. Why the heck would television companies send a camera crew when they didn't go to every game anyways? That Knicks team ended up 29-51. That game was basically a blow out and the Warriors players just purposefully did what they could to get Wilt to 100 (if only to add some excitement). This is the same season where Wilt averaged 50pts and the inflation of possessions and points makes it possible to score 100.
Kobe's 81 is arguably more impressive because of how close the game was and the relative pace of the era, but Wilt scored 100. This isn't a theory, it's a fact.
@@trevorsmith3872 And there were fans with individual items like tape recorders and stat sheets. Some of which was later used to flesh out the evening for records in like the 80s
Everyone goes crazy over us not having footage of wilts 100 point game, they don’t realize we don’t have the footage of literally over 90% of Wilt’s games. Everyone says we have footage of “every other game”, but we literally don’t.
Thank you
They literally have the audio broadcast in which they call out all the made baskets in the 4th quarter. And there were only 200 people in attendance at the game. The NBA just wasn't as big back then. College was arguably bigger.
All the other sports were more popular than basketball… that game happened in 1962 they didn’t even record steals and blocks until 1973… people just lack critical thinking lol
@@kyur__3597I think it was 5000+ or so
why werent the 60 and 70 point games happening 3-4 years ago? players and coaches don't get smarter or better that quickly
Am I the only one who hasn’t seen sage without a durag???
Yes
Yeee
No i haven’t seen him without a Durag either 😂
He looks brazy without one straight 5-head
He did on the pod😭
Harvey Pollack recorded the Wilt game. He’s a HOF statistician, and was around in the NBA from Day 1 till he died in 2015.
He’s arguably the most credible source to get stats from that ever existed.
If he’s lying, then you can’t believe anything anyone says about hoops.
Sources ?
@bighancho5351 its You tubers who said talked about it, search Jonny Arnett. IM not all the work, u got a computer
The fans who think wilt didn't score 100 are too stupid to think about any counter argument you provide for 5 seconds they're just gonna say "me see no camera me think it's no real! Unga bunga!" So don't even bother
@@scizorbullet8185 You’re probably right, but I hope (likely in vain) that I can educate the illogic out of some people.
@@juliothom2408 you are gullible if you believe everything you are told
As some people have already said, the real issue is not about teams taking 3's and using analytics to score that is a good thing.
The problem is that defense is too restricted by comparison. A simple fix would be to dial back the no-contact on defense rules and remove 3 second rules like they have in FIBA so bigs can guard the paint properly.
AND CALL TRAVELS AND CARRY
@@Bigedub101best that would do is cause teams to have 2-3 more turnovers.
At worst, you will see less iso (ie less kyrie 1v1s) and more pick and roll spams as well as dribble hand-offs. And also more 3pt shots since most travels come from drives
Not even that. Just make contact generated by the offense a foul consistently. That alone would change defense.
Yea they are just die hard basketball guys that love everything the new nba is doing
Why would they give a BLACK MAN a fake nba record in the 60s?!?!?
Thank. You.
Money, nba is a business
@@rwholemilkisgood5050More money would be in saying a white man did it not a black man.
@@andrayday8064Wilt was the "white mans black man". Look into his opinions on the social movements of the time and the idea of holding him up as a shining example of a "black man shutting up and going with the flow" makes a whole lot of sense.
And wilt was extremely hated at the time he averaged 50 and they did NOT vote him mvp. They would not give him a false record
There’s literally audio for that 100 point game because not every game was shown in that time period only big games were televised like a wilt vs bill but smaller games were just broadcasted on the radio
Y’all ain’t gone snitch HONEYBUN!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂
no way yall think the nba would lie for a black man in 1962 🤦♂️ 100 happened AND there’s the radio call
And a statistician took the stats plus like u said who the hell would lie about that..They would used Jerry West
With Sports being involved yes. I imagine he’s averaging 70-75 a game and someone said he scored like 100 and rolled with it.
@@UnrealGeminino way the Knicks players he put a 100 points against would allow that disrespect to slide
imagine MLK started that
@@robbiedontmiss if the commissioner at the time told them shut up
I’m glad yall brought it up. The Lakers DO NOT need a third all star. Just retool roll players and either have Darvin Hss as m leveling up as a coach or we get a new coach. There’s no real reason roster wise why we are bad other than TRASH rotations. And Cam Reddish must have dirt on Ham too
austin reaves, christie and a 1st for dejounte murray would be top 3 greatest trade the lakers made in their franchise history lol. thats just straight up robbery
@@AxzideAustin Reaves is a better fit than Dejounte, if anything Deangelo Russell has to go for Dejounte. Not Reaves
@@connorsmith6517 austin reaves is not a better fit than dejounte. anything that austin reaves does dejounte does at a higher level but drawing free throws. its the truth lol
I just auto assume basketball fans who say "no defense" or "rules that benefit offense" are just dumb. 90s defenders would have to resort to beating up the players of today in an attempt to stop them. I whole heartily believe that the mfs dropping 70 today would've dropped 80+ back in the day. The mfs are just better.
Imagine Giannis and LeBron play bully ball and throw elbows when they want. Old heads always assume their players can adapt to modern NBA but say modern players wouldn’t be able to adapt to their era. Old heads are full of hypocrites, and delusional memories.
@@TheBoiRusty its especially stupid because like solz said 90s and 2000s are outliers. The game is usually never that slow or physical and somehow they think those eras are the center of the universe.
Terrible take, players like Luka and Embiid flopping and taking 20+ free throws ain't nature. You can't play defense, almost every rule is designed to free up offensive players. Adam Silver has literally said he wanted to have more offense and put rules in to have more offense
Overall players and talent are better, but the rules do favour offence
@@HighKey_Mars thats a dumb take because you can clearly see players (like steph) who dont take as many free throws and still put up numbers. If steph got embiid calls he woulda dropped 80 by now
Theres a difference between the finals for a championship and a regular season game when hardly anything made it onto TV. They didn't put regular season games on TV when the ABA wasn't even making enough money to let players focus solely on basketball. 90% of the ABA had regular day jobs when Wilt scored 100.
And it was a sorry team, they didn't have a fan base like now which why n small arena and people forget thry didn't fly like now, probably was on bus and met up in the middle
Needing Jokic for Reeves is insane lmao
We have footage of Bill v Wilt because that's a finals game. I don't expect the NBA back then to record every single regular season game
Is Derrick White the Kevin Durant of Jrue Holiday’s?
I was born in the mid 80s, and I'll easily say basketball is crazy and beautiful to watch now. If there is a complaint to have, and it's not analytics, it's with the rise of analytics, we've seen further handicapping of defense and looser standards for the offense (moving screens, rolling screens, carries being default handling); between those 2 issues, it makes analytics ball seem dishonest, the defenders have to play at such a high level to be just "good" it makes me wonder how effective analytics would be without it's current vacuum.
i hate when ppl say that wilts didn’t score 100 points cus why on earth would yt ppl in the 1960s lie about a black man achieving greatness 😂 plus there’s over 4000 eyewitnesses AND radio audio documenting the event like come on what’s the point of taking away from Wilts career
Exactly when Jerry West, THE LOGO was there to say he had 100 cause he was a bucket.
People who don’t understand how much more talented and how much better they are say “it’s a soft league and no defense is played.” It’s just so ignorant cause luka 73 point game just shows no matter how hard you try to shade or double or even play one on one they will find a way to get a bucket. Wether that be the open man when you double immediately or killing them on a one on one match up add that with all the possessions in a game and then you have the offense we have now.
Sage’s wrestling references be killing me 😭😭😭 19:48
Sure Melo was a great scorer. He gets hated on because he generally fell off in the playoffs and became a huge reason why his team couldn’t succeed in the post season
In Denver He rose up and 2009 he was cooking
@@Bigedub101That's just 1 year. He was dropping his efficiency in playoffs.
Also I think people want to see defense go back to handchecking and roughing players up is because its something that doesn't require as much skill and coordination making people at home have something they can relate to. Anyone thats strong can use handchecking decently or just push you off your spot but it takes actual skill to stay in front of someone and or use team defense to lock up and get a stop.
You can basically handcheck in the nba right now. But if we go back to the 90s handchecking, it's just going to lead to more free throws anyway. Players are way too good at creating contact nowadays.
Austin reeves is a top 30ish WHAT?! 😂😂
Fr AR15 more like top 15
@@AugrillsWhite Jameer Nelson is not too 15😂
I love Derrick White - _that's_ _my_ _son_ - but you're perma-high if you think you can swap him an Brunson *and* New York would have the same level of success rn.
Brunson carrying the Knicks FR
That section of the video with carmelo talking out his ass is wild Mero doing his best to get a Brazzers contract the way he just be riding Carmelo and Carmelo is just talking pure nonsense
If we had footage of the game before and the game after, that would be a perfectly good argument. However, there were so many games not recorded, that it's not that unbelievable there isn't footage.
Another problem with scoring is that we are witnessing an evolution of the game just as powerful as the 3 point revolution, but for some reason we just don't put the 2&2 together. Embid is a 7'1 five shooting middis something most 5s can't defend and Luka is a 6'8 guard being able to cook 1-5s and is usually guarded by a 6'4 point guard. It's not lack of defense, not shitty coaches its a personnel problem. In the coming years there will be more 6'8 guards that will be able to better defend Luka from a physical perspective if nothing else.
1-5s will get bigger what we are seeing is just a start, and the few player's that outsize their position and are just as skilled are dominating right now.
Glad you back to doing these! Love the NBA Multiverse vids but your reaction/opinion content is undefeated 🔥
12:00 we got babe ruth highlights 😂😂
Rolled my eyes the second I saw Ball don't Stop
We don't have the footage of most of wilt's games. At this point in history nobody gave a fuck about the NBA. It didn't even out perform college ball in popularity. Why would some random regular season game in 1962 be recorded?
Wilts 100 point game was on a random night.. it wasn’t a special game so why would that be recorded. You’re comparing the last game of the season that determines the winner to a regular season game against one of the worst teams in the league.. cmon now
People really forgot how Murray played before being in bumass Atlanta
Balldontstop technically aint wrong. Everything now is just PNR and try to get a open 3 teams used to have identities
Grizzlies post up and defense
Knicks iso heavy with Melo and stat
Spurs ball movement
Lakers triangle
Even the Jamal Crawford, Lou will type player is being taken out because long twos and volume shooters off the bench go against analytics
he is wrong. post ups aren't as efficient when there isn't illegal defense
iso heavy/hero ball is bad. runs too much time out of the clock. possessions are too long.
@Axzide I'm not saying come down to the court and call quick iso. But there's no reason out of the 30 centers only about 8 are good in the post. Mitchell Robinson and Claxton are like 7 footers and u can't throw them the ball down low
Why is it so hard to believe Wilt at 7'2 275 couldn't score 100 points on a team where the tallest defender was 6'9 210lbs? Damn Skippy they would've fouled him 20 times a quarter and damn Skippy they would've given Wilt the ball on literally every possession like they did. Come on guys, you can't simultaneously trash the level on competition in the 60s while saying that the hyper inflated numbers were impossible. Unless you think the cream of the crop in that era would be trash in this one. Which would be false.
Great video. I really would’ve like to hear your takes on the current state of NBA defense. If rules were changed to buff perimeter D, then maybe we are able to have a slightly more diverse profile of viable player play styles.
Sage definitely trolling on that Wilt part because it seems like there is a fair amount of people saying that many of Wilt’s games weren’t even televised and bringing up a really good point in: “why would there be a lie created to make a black man look good in the 60s?” 😭
These guys always have the ability to duck the issues about ratings, fan participation, etc.
Did slavery even exist type energy in this one
On some shit....no, we don't have footage of every other game. In fact, we don't have footage of most games. Hell, you can't get an accurate look at a lot of stats, depending on the year they started being recorded. Like, that's easily the take I hate the most.
That first vid wasn't complaining about the high talent, it was complaining about the rules removing defensive pressure through removing all elements of contact.
Yeah… when yall had Rusty chiefing on camera, I knew that vid was demonetized asf 😅
You don't know a player is going to drop 100 points before the game starts. Televising games costs money and still does today hence the reason their a couple "Nationally Televised" games while most games are not nationally televised. In the 60s, basketball still being something that only existed as a professional sport a little over 10 years at that point, the NBA would not have the funding to spend on a throw away regular season game. The reason you have full game footage of Bill vs Wilt in the finals is because it's ya know, the NBA finals, you as a company would want to spend your money on what is supposed to be the most important game you can possibly have, regardless of what the outcome is, it's a big moment. This is something you can logically deduce just from putting things into context. Why Agent got so upset to the point of yelling is absolutely insane though XD. you mean we just gonna act like Andre Drummond, a back up tier center that averages 8 & 8, this season having a fucking 24 point 20 rebound game as something not crazier than one of the top 15 All Time players getting 100 points while ball hogging against scrubs? You can't say "oh they are playing plumbers" but then say "no way he scored 100" those ideas are conflicting. And if they were to "lie and make it up" why only one game? Why only a single 100 point game, why not 2? Why not give Bill Russell a 57 rebound game while we're at it? The final score was 169-147, players today are dropping 70+ in games where both teams have over 120 points, Kobe dropped 81 in a game that had a final score of 122 - 104. Getting 100 points in a game with scores over 140 points each isn't crazy if anything it adds up.
is it really that crazy for a guy averaging 50 to score 100, that’s just like a guy averaging 20 scoring 40
Exactly Kobe averaged 35 and scored 81, so guess 81 isn't plausible and most people wasn't tuned to that game cause wasn't even nationally televised like 50 of the other Lakers were during that time
@@Bigedub101 i really don’t get what’s so hard for people to understand, we quite literally DO NOT HAVE the vast majority of the games from that time because pretty much no one cared about the league and even outside of that a TON of games from various sports were never televised. On top of all this we have the stat sheets from probably the most reliable stat keeper ever plus literal audio recordings, also if they were gonna lie for anyone it’d be jerry west and not the black icon in wilt chamberlain
People who don't believe Wilt scored 100 either don't know basketball history and assume every game was recorded or just want to believe conspiracies... Or they're Kobe fans trying to invalidate the 100 so that Kobe has the highest scoring game ever.
Ball Don’t Stop might seriously be the stupidest person who covers basketball. Bro just says anything for attention
lots “high 2k iq” is what i blame for basketball community being weird. ppl got own definitions of good ball
If Derrick White & Jalen Brunson swapped places, the Knicks would be near the bottom of the east
Exactly they'll be Atlanta
wait a minute, so wilt averaging 50 isn't questioned but him scoring 100 is? If the man could AVERAGE 50 what makes u think he couldn't get to 100? Also do y'all really think that the nba or america in general from back in the 60's where racism was still alive and well would lie to make a black man look good and have that record? Really? In the 60"s? They ain't lying to the public to make a black man look good in those days lol
no way you think the nba faked a 100 point game for a black man in 1962
Luka a friend of the show is this elite troll or did I miss sm?
NFL has analytics "nerds" and have done alot with rule changes, the following continues to grow. Idk if that's the problem.
Sage teeth white af yo bro what’s your recipe?? 😂
Quis is one of the funniest basketball tiktok accounts. Bro the glaze and hate for certain players is unreal. Lmaooo
I think you should do a video specifically about LUKA this season. 🐐
I agree with a lot of the complaints about current NBA defenses. They are being handicapped in their effectiveness because the rules do favor offensive players now, especially when it comes to fouls. However, let's say that the NBA changed the rules again to help the defenses even the playing field. FIBA rules, sans lack of goaltending. 1) That will not stop the best offensive players. They probably won't be droppping 60+ or 70+, but they can still bust your favorite team's ass for 40+ or 50+ on any given night. They didn't become as good as they are by not evolving or changing their game. 2) Something called reading and reacting. When the NBA changed the rules to favor offense more, defenses adjusted. If they do that for defenses now, offenses will adjust, too. We'll probably see more ball/player movement, less isos, more post ups so the big can draw contact and get to the line, actual plays being called to counter the defense, etc. Every action has a reaction. You win the games by having more points on the board than the other team, not just by shutting them down.
I see the point, but there's a lot of other factors that those people are not considering.
Also D-Lo is one of the most over hated players in the league.And this is coming from someone that disliked him for a while after the Nick Young thing
No, the game is too skewed to offense.The rules need to swing back towards defense.
6 in the key, flops should be techs, and bring back hand checking.
hell no
And call travel, carry, and offensive fouls
Melo with the 0 ring motivation speech😂
Y’all said all that & didn’t address the fact that without empowering the defenders then the further the game gets from being competitive…!!!!
And I think after watching every possession getting dumped into the paint in throughout the 80’s-90-‘s & then teams going more towards shooting 3’s, I think the natural progression would’ve been a mixture between the two & not completely getting rid of competitive play…!
crazy how the lakers have yet to realise they don’t need a 3rd guy, they need role players that actually fit next to LeBron and AD
I don't really lean into the whole "better basketball" argument, I definitely think the lack of contact helps some top scorers. I think they should allow hand checks past the 3 pt line. I think its a fair rule given the amount of 3s taken.
Wilts 100 pt game is about as real as Pat Patterson IC title win in South America
People be BUGGIN on their takes
Although high paced basketball has been the style of play for the majority of the NBAs history, There’s a reason why the 90s and 00s are by and large considered the best eras. BALANCE is key. Nobody wants to see a sport that’s 90% offense and 10% defense
The early 90's are fast too. And the early 00's is a exception in NBA history when come to low pace and low scoring. I agree balance is key. Also nobody considered the early 00's to be part of the best era, it's just that the majority of adult actually grew up in the 90's and 00's, but his it was some years ago i would be the 80's and 90's. Give it some years and it will be the 10s, and so on and on
This channel hate best NBA era, 90s. Every tome someone Said positive about 90s, they shit on him, calling stupid. Can we have opinion. But... They watch one game and finals 😅 and because of one game they think this is basketball od 90s. To watch Bulls vs Knicks or Magic. To watch Suns vs Sonics or Rockets. This two think Always they above others. I don't Like this. I think 90s is best NBA era, they Don't think and ok, different opinion but they so insecure and every time made video about that
@@paquinraino8180exactly it was fast all way til 95. Then teams got old as hell and slowed down. By 1999 they scored 91 and game and slow as shit. Even real fans said was boring which basically was the Spurs now everyone wanna say miss that.. They Hella capping
@@Bigedub101 Exactly hey dismissed he Spurs and Duncan because they are boring but now all of a sudden, "we missed the slow & defensive Spurs like type of basketball". Then why y'all were so focused on Kobe scoring and no on Duncan defensive prowess then? I'm prey sure hey can't respond honestly
@@AlenTudjabut let's not act like that wasn't the nor then. 91-78 was an average score during the 90s and not bc of defense. During the 90s you had 2 maybe 3 guys of the team who could shoot and get baskets, now the whole team can get buckets. The average player today is miles ahead better than the average player of the 90s...
I think for melo take he was speaking specifically about the media coverage he got because the media definitely did vilify him a bit
I've found that current day NBA just isn't for me. I still love the game of basketball, I still do watch highlights and I do listen in to keep up, but I'm not invested. It's a combination of things like the style of play, for the most part, just isn't attractive to me, the officiating just seems off (travelling, carrying, reaching in etc etc, the classic complaints), and a few other things.
It's not for me, so I just don't watch games. I just seem to enjoy FIBA rules more. That said I also know that there is someone else out there that enjoys the hell out of current day NBA. It is what it is.🤷♂
Wilt's game was exactly 100 because he hit free throws to get to 100 because eventually all the other team could do was foul. And once he hit 100, wilt intentionally missed the rest of his shots and free throws because he thought the round number of 100 was cooler and looked prettier than, say, 103, or 107.
3:11 yea you can….if you can play defense on the other side and have at least 2 dudes that can make 3s…the main thing is defense being a non factor now
it’s not defense being a non factor. this era is the hardest to play defense in. and the 3ball has made it like that
I’ll say this for wilt, it’s not like he announced “I’m scoring 100” it just happened, heck wilt and bill finals matchup happened post 1962, why they had those finals? Just to make sure they don’t get screwed out of another giant game. There’s no holiday, no matchup, it wasn’t even in Philly.
Sage always calling himself a nerd and fake talking down about himself is so annoying it’s come of as insecurities
relax
I guess to you I just think he’s being real with himself ain’t nothing wrong with self awareness
@@orionguevera I am relaxed I just said I don’t like ur daddy go cry somewhere else
@@Frosty1026 ok and I care why idc about ur opinion
@@orionguevera relax
Like no newspaper. No sticker. No players coming out saying he did it bruh that shit is fake
Nah, wilt not scoring a hundred is hot fucking ass. In 1961? For a black man? Hell no. Also, Wilt took 63 shots, made 36 of them, and got to the line 32 times. Which means he shot the ball at least 79 times, if not more due to and one's. That was only his second most free throw attempts of the season, too. About 10 days earlier on February 22, he took 34 of them shits. He had 4 separate 30+ fta games, two 60+ fga games, and five 50+ fga games in that season alone. He had 42 40+ fga games and 60 30+ fga games. This dude put up everything. He had the greenest green light in the history of the NBA. He was chucking everything. And his teammates tried to get him to 100 after he had 70 in the third, and he still holds the record for most fgas in a quarter with 21, which he took in the fourth. It was basically his version of D Books 70 point game.
Wilt's truly, completely unbreakable bullshit record imo will always be the fact that he averaged 48.5 minutes per game that season. People could probably replicate some of Wilts bullshit if they played all 48 minutes of every single game and took 40 shots per game, but no modern NBA player is ever going to be allowed to do either of those things. There's a decent number of dudes that could drop 100 if they had 63 shots and 32 free throw attempts to get it, even without the 3.
that brunson white take was nasty
That agile center you guys are talking abt is Wemby unironically
prime draymond gets downgraded to role player yet klay thompson in his prime people think could be a first option. insanity
5:30 this is a bad take but after seeing what AR did against Boston it’s not the worst thing I’ve heard 😂
13:37 LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO
If the nba tightened the defensive rules a bit it would make a lot of people happier Im not talking about the 80s or 90s rules where people were body slamming people.more like fiba rules a little be less movement not like the 90s but enough where there is some pressure on shooters
"Melo cared too much about scoring 30, then winning the game" paraphrasing Billups but yeah that and being fuming mad when Lin took the tiniest but of shine from him, that's what makes him selfish
Its called playoff modeeee. Sage is right we will make the right moves before playoffs and make a decnt run we WILL make conference again will we win? Fuck no.
oh NOOO! not the geeks looking at statistics 😂😂 what are we gonna dooo??
IM BOUT TO EAT, PERFECT TIMING
Ngl I actually agree with that first take tho it’s ultimately the rules being bent time and time again for stars tbh and the lack of intensity that can be displayed on defense these days. TikTok bro lowkey cooked tbh
Edit: the first TikTok dude never “asked the nba to regress” with his takes bro literally stated that there’s no balance in the sport anymore. Offense is overly favored and the defense in a sense is handicapped due to the rules. Bro just said the lack of balance makes the NBA seem a lil annoying to watch during the regular season and tbh I kinda agree
For the first take I will say I see your side of it, but to complete take out a part of the game is a problem. Look at the nuggets they are one of the very few teams even using the post with jokic (some times) and they won the chip.
A finals game and a random regular season game is 2 different things Sage. And back then they didn’t record every game like they do now. It had to be a televised game for it to be recorded. Actually it was like that for most of the history of the nba. Plus why would they lie for a black man in the 60s. Wouldn’t they just say Bob Cousy did it if they were gonna lie about a 100 point game
I mean if I pay someone 50 to 60 mil a year you better not rough him up lmfao
We need to stop saying Ad should be our first option you basically asking Ad to be the best defender on the team and make up for dlo and Reaves awful defense, you asking Him to be the best rebounder, and you are asking him to be a post playmaker, now you want the offense to run threw him (pause). It's idiotic because when you have Lebron a top-5-ish offensive player why would will tell our second-best offensive player to control the offense. We also need to stop acting like age matters for Lebron even if he's 39 he is getting paid like a first-option and he is playing like a first-option. The reason this team have been so bad offensively because we are getting the ball to Ad waiting until he gets double and creating our offense from there we need to either give Lebron the ball or have Lebron play off-ball as he has but create more pin downs, more open 3point attempts, more post-ups, more cuts while still allowing him to be ball dominant when he has 3 shooters in the lineup and a lot of pick n rolls. If we haven't noticed that when we played our best basketball it came in the IST when Lebron 26pts, 8reb and 8ast and controlled a lot of our offense on and off the ball. Ad averaged 23 points, 14 reb and 3 blocks in these games we beat the Pacers, pelicans, and Suns who all are top 6th teams in their conference. All I'm saying is let Lebron score the points while Ad play defense we can't have one player do everything on offense when we have a player who is simply better on offense
If everyone is 6’6 and up bsolz the 6’6 player is not the new 6’3 player
Now imagine if 80% of the teams in the nba at least tried to play like that 18:45
You guys gotta react to flights top 100 NBA players list. It's the craziest damn list I've ever seen. He got Luka and Giannis top 10 all time and doesn't even have Magic in the top 15.
I am always amazed at how delusional the nostalgia around the 90s and 2000s has become, i watched both eras and basketball has become so much more enjoyable today. The 90s were full of slow post-ups, out of shape players and a barrage of terrible midrange shots. Defense was more brutal but not better, the avg level of talent in todays league is so advanced that i would bet all my money that at least 80% of NBA players in the 90s would not even come close to making the nba today. Basketball has advanced and it is for the better.
They just leaked wilts 100 point game footage💀💀
Let’s stop the cap, if NBA teams are able to score near 150 points let’s stop acting like the defense isn’t worse, we’re not saying we want the defense to be like the early 2000s where people are scoring 90 a game just stop nerfing the defense… and let’s get some balance stop acting like it’s just evolution of the game alone
The first take is completely wrong though, literally in the 80s, 90s & early 00's alot of the games were literally on Television, it was at one point (1991-2002) the Worlds Sport. Now its not anymore, not as popular, not the ratings. And trust me when I say this, bring back the rules of the 90s all the numbers will drop back to the 90s.
Also if you relieve believe basketball from back then is "so" much worse then watch the 92 or 93 finals. In my opinion thats the peak of basketball.
the nba is not as popular as back then? maybe. but basketball is 100% times bigger now, player pool is also bigger. game just harder and different now. 92/93 finals is horrible basketball
@@Axzide "Horrible basketball"
1993 NBA Finals game 4
Jordan: 55 Points
Charles Barkley: 32pt Triple Double
1992 NBA Finals game 5
Jordan: 46 points
Clyde Drexler: 30pt Double Double
and yes, Jordan himself is more popular than the modern NBA. He was the only Global athlete in basketball history, due to his shoes and his winning capability.
@@YEGGS_1 if u don’t think lebron james is a global athlete there’s no point in talking to you about anything at all
Idk if I'm in a minority but as a laker fan I absolutely love Dlo. He seems to bring so much personality and life to the team and aside from Bron seems like the best locker room guy.
The first take he isn’t fully wrong he’s not complaining that everyone is paying good basketball he’s complaining that’s there are a lot of rules that decrease defense in the league while the rules forward more to offense which is why ppl score so easily now
the nba has no intimidation factor like the 90s and early 2000's
Who are they supposed to be intimidating? The fans? The players?
@@urbaindelva7869 the players of course. the game in general you had to have big balls like a.i to slah to the rim knowin the bigs will drag you down
@@OGFOOD187Okay? I still don't know what your point is.
@urbaindelva7869 my point is it became to soft to a point it can now be called a non contact sport
We need a Melo bag review
8:50 everything you said makes sense but when yall say you need a sniper….who is that. Are yall looking for curry?
Whyd they say luka was a friend of the show ? Did I miss some news ?