Ngl he’s the Jay-Z of the nba 😂 most overrated of all time and idk how u could get anybody on your side if they don’t already agree that he was amazing lol
They are ignorant. They said Duncan is from the ‘90s. But his main decades were 2000s and 2010s. Duncan is top 7 all time. AD? I wouldn’t list him top 75.
@@DontSleepOnTheNap You would right if you wouldn’t look at his resume, accolades and if you wouldn’t consider that the Spurs were a dynasty for like one and a half decades. His game isn’t pretty but the Numbers don’t lie! He is the undisputed best and greatest power forward ever no if, buts or maybes.
guys like bam and ad played solid defense but jokic was just having his way cause that’s just how the game goes, wish more people would realize this when they doing podcasts
To be fair he wasn't totally wrong to put Bam on top, if he's talking about dealing with a team with Jokic. Bam has the edge on offence while Rudy is one of the greatest defender of all time. All things considered, Rudy would be the better value player, but against Jokic's team, Bam with the edge on offence might be able to make up for that 5-10 points gap compare to Rudy.
@@klasports8801 ppl need to realize you can't shutdown guys like jokic prime lebron Jordan Kobe magic curry they will find a way to effect the game somehow
Tim Duncan is a top five player of all time, but AD does have a more diverse offensive skill set, but does not make him a better player than Tim Duncan
@justtimes9257 calm down Tim Duncan cheerleader smh Tim Duncanwas the best system player of all time he had greg popivich and Tony Parker and ginobli his whole carer Duncan is not a better scorer or shooter than Anthony Davis
@@darnellwilliams8783TD was by far a more consistent scorer but AD is deftly a more diverse scorer. It's like comparing a scorer like Jamal Crawford vs a scorer DeRozan
Why do people never bring up the fact that shaq played against hakeem in the finals when he was 22 years old in his 3rd year in the league when hakeem was in his prime ? It’s like y’all just ignore all context lol… it would have been a lot different if they where both in there 10th season
@@zoobiezaaeveryone knows the context shaq was one of the best centers at that time it was a legit conversation averaging 2.4 blocks per game this wasn’t a rookie a shaq this was an emerging shaq
Tim Duncan is such a weird player. Man had a near quadruple double in game 6 of the finals and I bet no one noticed until they looked at the score board. Dude was a silent assassin.
Its crazy cause every one payed attention to curry and ai part of the quote but didn’t even listen to the full video when he literally said “we already know what Jordan did for the game” they was just looking for a reason to hate
Yes its 100% a purpose full omission I mean dude even uses red to outline his take. He knows 95% won't fact check him so he gets away with it or if anything it gets more clicks and views because he capped
Cold part about the whole Bam Vs Gobert argument with Shaq and Mario Chalmers is that Jokic averaged 30 against Bam and 26 against Rudy😂 it ain’t 15 but it’s fosho better than 30 lol
“If you wanna be a great defender, hold Jokic to 15 points” my brotha then who is a good defender because in those same games, he’s shooting under 10 shots and being efficient with those 10 shots as well as not to mention having 10+ assists. If jokic wanted to average 35+ points in a season, he could if he wanted to but he doesn’t because that’s not how he plays basketball.
not even remotely true. The NBA wouldnt even be a THING if it weren't for Magic and Bird. MJ doesnt come close to them in terms of impact on the business
@@deadlylightningspirit4295 Bird and Magic saved NBA Jordan made it international. Jordan got it so international that the dictator Kim Jun Un (I probably spelled his name wrong) was a Bulls fan. Jordan inspired millions upon millions to want to pick up the basketball. He's your favorite player's favorite player.
Michael jordan had a much bigger impact on how the game is played than Curry and it's not even remotely close. Wasn't until Michael Jordan came around that the league believed hat you could win without a great big man. He was also instrumental in loosening the carrying rules everyone takes for granted now and the league literally named a rule after Jordan to try to limit his unbelievable Iso play.
@@mr.johnsto again he sped up the process of it going international. He didn’t personally make the league go international. Being someone’s favorite player means absolutely nothing (and it’s not true) changing the way the game is played is infinitely more influential than being a celebrity because you’re more flashy than a bunch of coke heads
You already got enough ignorance in basketball and now you got people on one of the most brain rotting apps that only makes people attention span worse talking ball😂 prayers for the basketball community 🙏
I think that help defense not being “real defense” is the worst take i’ve ever heard from Shaq. If you can’t play help defense then that will COST your team. Giannis saved his championship run because of his help defense on Deandre and Booker. Lebron saved his championship run because of his help defense on Iguodala. I’ve seen so many games be lost (ones i’ve played, and ones i’ve watched.) because the players didn’t play help defense, with the excuse being “That’s not my man”. If a player is torching the guy guarding them then HELP OUT, try to cut them off in the lane and steal the ball, etc. Mj is a top 5 defender OAT because of help D imo, if you looked away for a second he would run up and steal the ball from behind you. If you shot a turnaround on your man, he would block the shot on the weak side.
The last take was horrible, bc in the original statement bron made the convo he was having with JJ Redick was influence on the GAME and right b4 he mentioned Steph and Ai bron said “and we know what Jordan did for the game”
No they didn't he said. "We already know what jordan did for the league" and and then brushed it off like it was nothing and said "but curry and AI are the 2 most influential since i've been watching basketball."
When people bring up shoe sales in basketball debates, its over. Shit has nothing to do with influencing the game. If you wanna argue it changed culture, fine, but it by no means changed how the game was played, and I'm not sure how one even does the mental gymnastics to argue as such
The amount of AD glazing is crazy. "When he's healthy, when he's healthy." Well, that dude can't stay healthy, so too bad. McGrady is one of the greatest basketball players of all time when healthy, but he rarely was. Brandon Roy was one of the toughest players to guard when healthy, but he hardly was. Their availability is part of their legacy.
Give me Tm Duncan...AD had to join the best player to win a bubble ring and Tim had to go through the best players (Shaq, kobe, dirk, kd, Westbrook, Bron and Wade) to get his rings
Hot Take: Most people's judgement of defense is too unfair and superficial to be taken seriously. All people ever tend to do is judge a player's entire defensive acumen based on their ability to guard like 3 main people within their position, and those people always tend to be extremely talented players that cannot be guarded. It's like when everyone swears that Curry is a "bad/horrible defender" because he can't guard Kyrie. Like who TF can? Being able to guard unguardable players should be noteworthy and praised, but it should bolster a defensive identity, not make or break it. Kawhi and Draymond are certified generational defensive talents, can and will lock up most players 1-4. But they've also been barbecued by KD, Steph, Bron, etc. Give more credit to players that actually show effort and consistency on defense, regardless of the outcomes
Tbf a lot of it is purposely done to hype up older generations when the better defensive players could actually still do something against the better offensive players
Lebron literally said before that quote that obviously mj is mj and we know what he's done. Mfs don't even try to listen when it comes to their daddy Micheal Jordan
Literally look at the league today at you can see ai and Stephs influence just as much as jordans and kobes jordan and kobe fans really take every single to heart its like they think someones putting steph and ai over them influence and best aren't the same
I know since Sage is a Lakers fan and AD fan, he be hating on Giannis, but Giannis really got it out the mud. like. HE REALLY GOT IT OUT THE MUD. So thats why us giannis fans go so hard for him
Shaqs take wasn’t bad just how he says it isn’t good his take was he doesn’t think gobert is as good as a defender cause his defense comes from help side not being one on one with the player and someone like bam takes the player one on one and wins a lot of matchups
You have to actually be brain dead to argue, Steph and AI considering both of them said they were inspired by Michael Jordan. Jordan literally is the reason why teams are now built with wings as their best players. It wasn't something as simple as shooting more. It was literally making people think that they don't need a great big men to win anymore. People really don't seem to remember how fucking popular michael jordan was. He's still more famous than anybody in the NBA today by a LOT 😂
“People don’t seem to remember how popular MJ was” u got to be fucking kidding everyone knows how popular Mj was stop that shi but Steph curry literally changed the whole entire game better than Jordan and name the last team that won with a wing as their best player not named raptors(Kawhi) or warriors(KD) if a wing is your best player your chances of winning is low which is y the Celtics and Suns haven’t won
@@whenisdinner2137 literally no one acts like mj is just some old guy in the prime of brons career 30% of people said a 59 year old mj could beat him in a 1v1 right then and there he’s literally the most protected figure in all of sports
Of course it's taken out of context, you gotta be able to have common sense to understand the context of the conversation. Jordan fans don't have that ability.
The bam take is good asf. Bam hella underrated on the defensive end and he’s the best defender in the league for my money Edit: BAM CAN. BAM CAN GUARD STEPH ON A SWITCH N I SEEN HIM DO IT
It’s not even just that most obviously if you get switched onto a great player there gonna score but I trust bam to get a stop on curry way more then I trust Rudy to and that’s a problem cause he has 4 dpoy even though his really a one dimensional defender who can only really block shots at the rim when his teammates funnel them to him
Nah personally I agree with the first take, AD is a better scorer than Duncan, all the stats + film show that. Duncan is still miles ahead as a complete player but AD is just flat out the better scorer.
I think the NBA community has no understanding of how to compare players. You'd think with all these player podcasts stories, people would learn that theirs more to the game than rolling the ball out and great players blasting through everything.
Shaq Logic Literally doesn’t work in any circumstances even great defenders against him couldnt hold him under 20 so to 15 is beyond insane and straight up disingenuous to great defenders
bro i was about to click off and watch later at work bc i thought it was someone pretending to be flight and then right as i went off unc came in and i instantly had to come back
Nothing shaq said about rudy was all that crazy except the joker thing. He gets paid basically much as Joel Embiid and joker, but can do almost nothing that they can offensively is the point, so his defense should have to be that insane to make up for it. And it's not.
Bron was talking about how the game is played and the culture of people who play basketball when he mentioned Steph and Iverson. He wasn't talking about the general scope of how sports and basketball fit into the popular culture of the rest of the world. That would be Jordan no question. But people just taking this clip and running with it and misinterpreting what they were talking about.
Shaq and Mario was comparing bam and gobert because after Mario says bam is top 25 he said he would give him DPOY this year and that’s why they started talkin bout gobert because gobert is the front runner for the award rn and they feel like he shouldn’t be because he feels like gobert is overrated defensively.
17:17 nah Bron was definitely talking about most influential for the game of basketball. All bro’s examples for jordan’s case had nothing to do with the game itself. Jordan probably the most influential outside the game of basketball but for the game itself its most definitely Curry and AI
Jordan changed the NBA and basketball as a brand, made it global and loved all around the world. AI changed basketball to have more expression and to showcase the players as themselves in fashion and playstyle. Steph changed the way we think around basketball and just like what sage said, as long as the 3 > 2 basketball will continue to follow the path steph and the warriors made. All in all, unc and bron got a point
I think the take is dumb yea Jordan had global influence but Steph got everyone pulling it from the parking lot and centers shooting the 3 Ai had everyone wearing oversized jerseys sleeves etc and I think Lebron was just saying the influence he saw and was around for and he’s seen and Played AI and Curry so he knows their influence more than anyone like Sage said u can argue all of their influences but that still was dumb and he just wanted a reason to say fuck Lebron ur wrong
YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW GOOD TIM DUNCAN WAS‼️‼️🗣️🗣️😤💥OH MY GOD‼️💥🗣️🤬🤬
Unc crashing out
Ngl he’s the Jay-Z of the nba 😂 most overrated of all time and idk how u could get anybody on your side if they don’t already agree that he was amazing lol
They are ignorant. They said Duncan is from the ‘90s. But his main decades were 2000s and 2010s. Duncan is top 7 all time. AD? I wouldn’t list him top 75.
@@DontSleepOnTheNap You would right if you wouldn’t look at his resume, accolades and if you wouldn’t consider that the Spurs were a dynasty for like one and a half decades. His game isn’t pretty but the Numbers don’t lie!
He is the undisputed best and greatest power forward ever no if, buts or maybes.
@@admassv84 Same w Jay-Z I just think they’re both super overrated along with a decent portion of the fans 🤷🏾♂️
chilltown going through it 😭😭
The we done with the 90s movement had bro on the edge
Shaq fr went "Golbert can't hold Jokic to 15 so Bam is better" the guy who jokic averaged 30/14/7 on lmao
Shaq acting like he was Hakeem on defence lmao
guys like bam and ad played solid defense but jokic was just having his way cause that’s just how the game goes, wish more people would realize this when they doing podcasts
To be fair he wasn't totally wrong to put Bam on top, if he's talking about dealing with a team with Jokic. Bam has the edge on offence while Rudy is one of the greatest defender of all time. All things considered, Rudy would be the better value player, but against Jokic's team, Bam with the edge on offence might be able to make up for that 5-10 points gap compare to Rudy.
@@klasports8801 ppl need to realize you can't shutdown guys like jokic prime lebron Jordan Kobe magic curry they will find a way to effect the game somehow
Tim Duncan is a top five player of all time, but AD does have a more diverse offensive skill set, but does not make him a better player than Tim Duncan
Tim got D
@justtimes9257 calm down Tim Duncan cheerleader smh Tim Duncanwas the best system player of all time he had greg popivich and Tony Parker and ginobli his whole carer Duncan is not a better scorer or shooter than Anthony Davis
@@darnellwilliams8783 you could say that about Stephen Curry too
@@darnellwilliams8783TD was by far a more consistent scorer but AD is deftly a more diverse scorer. It's like comparing a scorer like Jamal Crawford vs a scorer DeRozan
@@darnellwilliams8783 he won a championship with only old ass david robinson and 19 year old tony parker
Shaq saying hold Jokic to 15 like hakeem wasn’t dogging him he won’t dare bring that up😂
Hakeem used to wake up and give Shaq 30 during Ramadan. Imagine getting cooked by a dude on an empty stomach😂
@@robbiedontmiss because shaq was the bbq chicken😂
Why do people never bring up the fact that shaq played against hakeem in the finals when he was 22 years old in his 3rd year in the league when hakeem was in his prime ? It’s like y’all just ignore all context lol… it would have been a lot different if they where both in there 10th season
@@zoobiezaaeveryone knows the context shaq was one of the best centers at that time it was a legit conversation averaging 2.4 blocks per game this wasn’t a rookie a shaq this was an emerging shaq
@@zoobiezaayep jus like shaq ignored the context with rudy gobert playin defense
Tim Duncan is such a weird player. Man had a near quadruple double in game 6 of the finals and I bet no one noticed until they looked at the score board. Dude was a silent assassin.
Yeah he had 8 blocks right
@@jordanalves41 and 2 blocks that weren't counted if I'm not mistaken
“I know the big one gotta be O’Neal.” Sage is hilarious 😂
Nah thats funny ah 😂
“Timmy is an average kid”😭😭
It is crazy cuz Lebron said BESIDES Jordan… Like… If you remove Jordan, who else?!?!
These guys are just looking for ragebait
this the comment im lookin for
Its crazy cause every one payed attention to curry and ai part of the quote but didn’t even listen to the full video when he literally said “we already know what Jordan did for the game” they was just looking for a reason to hate
Yes its 100% a purpose full omission I mean dude even uses red to outline his take. He knows 95% won't fact check him so he gets away with it or if anything it gets more clicks and views because he capped
@@dre3607man this dude mad for bo reason
I figured there was more to it than just that one part.
1:50 That is literally Sage and Omar if they had a kid
TSOhmezzy
1. geigh 2… aight that was funny lmaoo
No cap 😂😂😂
I’m glad someone else thought this too 😭
It's kinda crazy how easily insecure shaq can be at times
Honestly if Jokic gets another mvp and two more chips he’s gonna be ahead of Shaq all time. Shaq is a terrible person at times
That 2nd clip looks like sage’s alter ego😂😂
Bro I was about to say that 😂
If sage and Omar did fusion
1:45 Ayo that's Sage from Wish😂
I’m saying
With hint of Omar
He got Omar’s eyes and sage everywhere else 😭
Cold part about the whole Bam Vs Gobert argument with Shaq and Mario Chalmers is that Jokic averaged 30 against Bam and 26 against Rudy😂 it ain’t 15 but it’s fosho better than 30 lol
“If you wanna be a great defender, hold Jokic to 15 points” my brotha then who is a good defender because in those same games, he’s shooting under 10 shots and being efficient with those 10 shots as well as not to mention having 10+ assists. If jokic wanted to average 35+ points in a season, he could if he wanted to but he doesn’t because that’s not how he plays basketball.
LeBron was precisely talking about in his playing generation, the quote I think is lacking context.
MJ had the biggest impact on the business of the NBA.
AI had the biggest impact on the culture.
Curry had the biggest impact on the game.
Bird and magic did more for the league than Jordan. Bird and magic saved the league. Jordan just accelerated what would of already happened
not even remotely true. The NBA wouldnt even be a THING if it weren't for Magic and Bird. MJ doesnt come close to them in terms of impact on the business
@@deadlylightningspirit4295 Bird and Magic saved NBA Jordan made it international. Jordan got it so international that the dictator Kim Jun Un (I probably spelled his name wrong) was a Bulls fan. Jordan inspired millions upon millions to want to pick up the basketball. He's your favorite player's favorite player.
Michael jordan had a much bigger impact on how the game is played than Curry and it's not even remotely close.
Wasn't until Michael Jordan came around that the league believed hat you could win without a great big man. He was also instrumental in loosening the carrying rules everyone takes for granted now and the league literally named a rule after Jordan to try to limit his unbelievable Iso play.
@@mr.johnsto again he sped up the process of it going international. He didn’t personally make the league go international. Being someone’s favorite player means absolutely nothing (and it’s not true) changing the way the game is played is infinitely more influential than being a celebrity because you’re more flashy than a bunch of coke heads
How yall talk about how shaq was being guarded/ defended AND NOT put the poster of him dunking on the entire New Jersey Nets roster 🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀
You already got enough ignorance in basketball and now you got people on one of the most brain rotting apps that only makes people attention span worse talking ball😂 prayers for the basketball community 🙏
Chilltown really tiktok famous lol dude's been going viral for so long, "can you give me one more day?" still legendary TO ME type shit
People forget that shaq played like 6-7 years of his career in the 90s
And his a part of his MVP season was in the 90's. Don't understand the concept "I didn't see them play, therefore they're not good."
WE NEED MORE VIDEOS MAN😢😢😢
0:02 this is proof that bag talk is hurting peoples brains
Bag talk was dead to me when people were acting like Giannis wasn’t good at basketball
@@YT-ol7ss💯💯💯
A I started the iso movement and Curry started the 3 pt revolution
Sage has also no idea how good Duncan was
“We done with the 90s” is the nastiest bullshit ever 😂😂😂😂
It'd be funny as fuck if the GOAT in that "Done with the 90s" video was Mike Jordan in the Wizards.
I think that help defense not being “real defense” is the worst take i’ve ever heard from Shaq. If you can’t play help defense then that will COST your team. Giannis saved his championship run because of his help defense on Deandre and Booker. Lebron saved his championship run because of his help defense on Iguodala.
I’ve seen so many games be lost (ones i’ve played, and ones i’ve watched.) because the players didn’t play help defense, with the excuse being “That’s not my man”. If a player is torching the guy guarding them then HELP OUT, try to cut them off in the lane and steal the ball, etc.
Mj is a top 5 defender OAT because of help D imo, if you looked away for a second he would run up and steal the ball from behind you. If you shot a turnaround on your man, he would block the shot on the weak side.
SAGE???? 1:45
I NEED the reaction to brons and jj's podcast ngl
Chill was so mad lmaooooo
ACCORDING TO MY CALCULATION🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓 we are 24 years done with the 90s
The last take was horrible, bc in the original statement bron made the convo he was having with JJ Redick was influence on the GAME and right b4 he mentioned Steph and Ai bron said “and we know what Jordan did for the game”
Not calling Timmy "an average kid" who noone understands 😂😂
First take and this old dude allready wildn
Ngl, y’all should do like a top 20-30 ish of like a done with the 90s list
That chilltown clip is Sage in 30 yrs 😭
Nah why does the second dude look like a mixture between sage and Omar 😂😂😂
What’s crazy is in the podcast they said besides Jordan . 😂😂😂
No they didn't he said. "We already know what jordan did for the league" and and then brushed it off like it was nothing and said "but curry and AI are the 2 most influential since i've been watching basketball."
@@whenisdinner2137.....i hate when speds get Internet access
@@whenisdinner2137 you just typed out we already know what Jordan has done for the league meaning it doesn’t need to be spoken about
Nah we need that reaction to that pod gango 📠
We need that reaction to the Pod
i love unc man, i gotta troll him lol its all in fun no harm.
i think lebron intentionally left himself and mj out because its a no shit answer....
Yall should do a vid where yall put the top 20 2000s players in the 80/90s to see how well they do
Luka did two uploads in one day? Dog!
When people bring up shoe sales in basketball debates, its over. Shit has nothing to do with influencing the game. If you wanna argue it changed culture, fine, but it by no means changed how the game was played, and I'm not sure how one even does the mental gymnastics to argue as such
5:36
This is exactly how I feel every time I see that fucking Kawhi shot, including the time it was shown 30 seconds before 😭
Tim Duncan and Bill Russell are the worst offensive players in the top 10 though.
Anthony Davis clears Duncan offensively.
Nope, Duncan is a better mid range scorer, passer, and way better post player
Both suck from 3
Being a Player doesn't make you an expert. Players being experts on issues is a fallacy.
11:42 LMAO SAGE
If y’all see it y’all see it but Bsolz was too close😂😂😂😂not even gonna say anything
Let’s say we done w the 90s then the list needs to start after bron gets drafted tbh
AI Himself said it "I wanna be like Mike"
The amount of AD glazing is crazy. "When he's healthy, when he's healthy." Well, that dude can't stay healthy, so too bad. McGrady is one of the greatest basketball players of all time when healthy, but he rarely was. Brandon Roy was one of the toughest players to guard when healthy, but he hardly was. Their availability is part of their legacy.
The Tim Duncan disrespect lol.
Give me Tm Duncan...AD had to join the best player to win a bubble ring and Tim had to go through the best players (Shaq, kobe, dirk, kd, Westbrook, Bron and Wade) to get his rings
Hot Take: Most people's judgement of defense is too unfair and superficial to be taken seriously. All people ever tend to do is judge a player's entire defensive acumen based on their ability to guard like 3 main people within their position, and those people always tend to be extremely talented players that cannot be guarded. It's like when everyone swears that Curry is a "bad/horrible defender" because he can't guard Kyrie. Like who TF can?
Being able to guard unguardable players should be noteworthy and praised, but it should bolster a defensive identity, not make or break it.
Kawhi and Draymond are certified generational defensive talents, can and will lock up most players 1-4. But they've also been barbecued by KD, Steph, Bron, etc.
Give more credit to players that actually show effort and consistency on defense, regardless of the outcomes
Tbf a lot of it is purposely done to hype up older generations when the better defensive players could actually still do something against the better offensive players
I think shaq should remember his time playing against hakeem
WE ARE NOT DONE WITH THE 90’s
Lebron literally said before that quote that obviously mj is mj and we know what he's done. Mfs don't even try to listen when it comes to their daddy Micheal Jordan
Duncan’s fundamental defense is his offense
Lets be honest, bob cousy is averaging 80 in todays nba
Literally look at the league today at you can see ai and Stephs influence just as much as jordans and kobes jordan and kobe fans really take every single to heart its like they think someones putting steph and ai over them influence and best aren't the same
Yall definitely need to see highrollers new video
I know since Sage is a Lakers fan and AD fan, he be hating on Giannis, but Giannis really got it out the mud. like. HE REALLY GOT IT OUT THE MUD. So thats why us giannis fans go so hard for him
Def watch clips of the pod and give your takes
Shaqs take wasn’t bad just how he says it isn’t good his take was he doesn’t think gobert is as good as a defender cause his defense comes from help side not being one on one with the player and someone like bam takes the player one on one and wins a lot of matchups
Dion from Ohio got Chill stressed.
You have to actually be brain dead to argue, Steph and AI considering both of them said they were inspired by Michael Jordan.
Jordan literally is the reason why teams are now built with wings as their best players. It wasn't something as simple as shooting more. It was literally making people think that they don't need a great big men to win anymore.
People really don't seem to remember how fucking popular michael jordan was. He's still more famous than anybody in the NBA today by a LOT 😂
and jordan was influenced by magic so does that mean jordan had no influence
“People don’t seem to remember how popular MJ was” u got to be fucking kidding everyone knows how popular Mj was stop that shi but Steph curry literally changed the whole entire game better than Jordan and name the last team that won with a wing as their best player not named raptors(Kawhi) or warriors(KD) if a wing is your best player your chances of winning is low which is y the Celtics and Suns haven’t won
@nicolasfierro2143 No, he wasn't he wasn't, influenced by david thompson
@iwatchytvids5738 The way people talk about them, they act like he was just some old guy...
@@whenisdinner2137 literally no one acts like mj is just some old guy in the prime of brons career 30% of people said a 59 year old mj could beat him in a 1v1 right then and there he’s literally the most protected figure in all of sports
MORE DIVERSE BAG DOES NOT MEAN BETTER OFFENSIVE PLAYER 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️‼️‼️‼️‼️
MJ was already in the league when Lebron was born. So assuming he starts really following the nba at 10, he's already missed half of MJ's career.
I’m tired of Jordan fans bringing up shoes 🤣🤣🤣 man that shit don’t change the GAME
That bron quote is taken so out of context lol
Of course it's taken out of context, you gotta be able to have common sense to understand the context of the conversation. Jordan fans don't have that ability.
my hot take is Kyrie and Curry influenced the game the most
nah curry at 5 is wild
The bam take is good asf. Bam hella underrated on the defensive end and he’s the best defender in the league for my money
Edit: BAM CAN. BAM CAN GUARD STEPH ON A SWITCH N I SEEN HIM DO IT
Heat fan?
@@deadlylightningspirit4295 lol how could you tell? Take still valid tho
@@saikikusuo7937 bam is great and granted I don’t watch enough heat basketball but I still think Wemby should be dpoy
It’s not even just that most obviously if you get switched onto a great player there gonna score but I trust bam to get a stop on curry way more then I trust Rudy to and that’s a problem cause he has 4 dpoy even though his really a one dimensional defender who can only really block shots at the rim when his teammates funnel them to him
Nah personally I agree with the first take, AD is a better scorer than Duncan, all the stats + film show that. Duncan is still miles ahead as a complete player but AD is just flat out the better scorer.
Bro been on ADs meat for years
I think steph influenced shooting in nba for 2010 and up
no Quincy Pondexter is crazy tbh
I think the NBA community has no understanding of how to compare players. You'd think with all these player podcasts stories, people would learn that theirs more to the game than rolling the ball out and great players blasting through everything.
Shaq Logic Literally doesn’t work in any circumstances even great defenders against him couldnt hold him under 20 so to 15 is beyond insane and straight up disingenuous to great defenders
lmaoo was second clip sage
I get what shaq is saying he saying the stats and all that stuff is whatever he wants gobert to lock down a embiid or jokic if he’s actually elite
bro i was about to click off and watch later at work bc i thought it was someone pretending to be flight and then right as i went off unc came in and i instantly had to come back
Nothing shaq said about rudy was all that crazy except the joker thing. He gets paid basically much as Joel Embiid and joker, but can do almost nothing that they can offensively is the point, so his defense should have to be that insane to make up for it. And it's not.
cold take ion think shaq can hold jokic to 15 he would do his team a disservice guarding jokic on the perimeter
2:02 evil sage
Bron was talking about how the game is played and the culture of people who play basketball when he mentioned Steph and Iverson. He wasn't talking about the general scope of how sports and basketball fit into the popular culture of the rest of the world. That would be Jordan no question. But people just taking this clip and running with it and misinterpreting what they were talking about.
Shaq isn't the best Center of All Time when every other dominant big left the room. Shaq became the best.
Shaq and Mario was comparing bam and gobert because after Mario says bam is top 25 he said he would give him DPOY this year and that’s why they started talkin bout gobert because gobert is the front runner for the award rn and they feel like he shouldn’t be because he feels like gobert is overrated defensively.
anybody who believe’s AD is better at putting ball in hoop better than Tim Duncan … is on Lamar Odom’s leftovers
Shaq had his prime in 90s
2000-2002
Mid-late 90s to 02
17:17 nah Bron was definitely talking about most influential for the game of basketball. All bro’s examples for jordan’s case had nothing to do with the game itself. Jordan probably the most influential outside the game of basketball but for the game itself its most definitely Curry and AI
Jordan changed the NBA and basketball as a brand, made it global and loved all around the world. AI changed basketball to have more expression and to showcase the players as themselves in fashion and playstyle. Steph changed the way we think around basketball and just like what sage said, as long as the 3 > 2 basketball will continue to follow the path steph and the warriors made. All in all, unc and bron got a point
we done with the 90s, but jordan is my goat
If it’s purely off of nostalgia then that’s fair
@@deadlylightningspirit4295 yes im 40 years old
@@deadlylightningspirit4295no he is the goat…
Seen both and Timmy clears AD
Where’s my cookie 🍪
The eye test mfs are just as corny as the stats nerds. Bro really said Uuuuuuhhh AD can shoot threes and do step backs... Alright bro🙄
11:26 and what did Jokic average against Bam in the Finals again? Wasnt it... 2x as much as 15 points?
I think the take is dumb yea Jordan had global influence but Steph got everyone pulling it from the parking lot and centers shooting the 3 Ai had everyone wearing oversized jerseys sleeves etc and I think Lebron was just saying the influence he saw and was around for and he’s seen and Played AI and Curry so he knows their influence more than anyone like Sage said u can argue all of their influences but that still was dumb and he just wanted a reason to say fuck Lebron ur wrong
That top 10 was weak as fuck 🤭.
So if they played one year in the 90s we done wit them???