Metempsychosis in Plato's Republic - Odysseus, the smartest of the Greeks, chooses the life of an ordinary farmer who tends to his land and there's no adventure in his life. There's a lesson for all of us.
“Four thousand years of Greek history have produced four Greek heritages, each of which has had an effect on the life of the Greeks in later stages of their history. The Hellenic Greeks received a heritage from the Mycenean Greeks, the Byzantine Greeks received one from the Hellenic Greeks, the Modern Greeks have received one heritage from the Byzantines and a second from the Hellenes.” From the notable book of Arnold Toynbee, prominent English historian; “The Greeks and Their Heritages”, Oxford University Press.
5500 years of civilization. Yes "Greek" by language came by the Mycenean civilizarion nearly 4000 years ago, but Mycenean Greeks are of the exact same Genetic stock than the Minioans and Cycladic civilizations. And Minoan civilization is 3650-1300BCE, or 5650 years ago, and Cycladic civilization is 3300-2000BCE. Which merged into the Minoan civilization by 2100-2000BCE. The Cycladic civilization had significant influence in the earlier 3000-2000BCE period on the Minoan civilization. But the Minoan civilization had an utterly profound impact on the Mycenean civilization, which eventually conquered the Minoan civilization when it was weakened by around 1600BCE by a massive volcano eruption of Thera. So. Greece has 5500 years of civilization till this day. 4000 years by language till this day, eveb though actual proto Greek traces back to an estimated 3-5 millennium BCE, 5000-7000 years ago. While Greek is the oldest continuous living language on earth by written evidences of 3500 years till this day. Chinese is 2nd with 3250 years till this day.
As somebody who grew up running after my mom's pickup truck and jumping to catch the tailgate and climb in, I find that bit about the chariots at the end *very* amusing.
BBC, can we Americans see more of this host’s programs from which these excerpts were drawn? They are refreshingly intelligent and intriguing. Pretty please? Thank you.
Marvellous program taking us into the origins of language and civilization! I teach History from various lands and epochs in Toronto Canada, and I approve of this work!
Concerning Aphrodites’ footprints on a beach in ancient times, it could be that there were fossilised footprints on one of Cyprus’ beaches that have eroded since then.
Because our forebears were as intelligent as we are. It isnt ancient wisdom ( which is, as is modern wisdom, based on the level of knowkedge at any given time ) but wisdom. And wise people are open to new knowledge changing what they always 'knew'. (See the idea of the 4 humours).
"During the Greek Dark Ages, [the stories] were still told orally, and open to influence." While the mythology certainly evolved prior to writing, the amount of infighting in Greek literature compared to the more systematic style of oral storytelling means the stories may well have changed more during the literary period.
this video was really well done and super insightful! i always thought greek mythology was just a collection of interesting tales, but it seems there's a deeper significance. however, i wonder if the emphasis on these myths sometimes overshadows the rich historical context of ancient Greece itself. would love to hear what others think about balancing myth with history!
All the patterns of brocade (or maybe damask) mentioned in this video were mentioned in Slaven Perović: "Lazzaro Bastiani - Adoration of the Magi, a painting from the Mimara Museum; Bastiani pattern on the brocade", Zagreb, 2018.
What a generous and mostly purely associative approach to ancient mythology! Could this be due to a lack of knowledge of ancient Greek language and of scientific criteria for proper comparisons and theories of development within the history of religions? In any case, it can hardly be compensated for by the sheer pleasure of drawing broad conclusions and of hearing oneself talk in flowery terms. 🙂
@@franzschubertv2874 Mr FS - try to ask the original commentator.- i know a little of India - only. But these timestamp episodes - do seem to be if not chopped - cut oddly from a larger programme. Yes.
Diese Geschichte aus astronomischer Sicht zu beleuchten, wäre sicher interessant: Viele Erzählungen aus der Mythologie haben einen wahren, katastrophischen Hintergrund - aus einer Zeit, zu der Himmelsphänomene noch ausschließlich mit Personen oder Tieren belegt wurden.
I got a little scared when the lady let her beautiful toddler try to swim around the "Rock of Aphrodite" to try to attain eternal beauty. Mom leads her in, then turns around and looks away???
Will disagree- hieroglyphs are a system either sounds out words by syllables or entire meaning by glyphs as the name for it suggests unlike an alphabetic system which spells out words. Cuneiform used a similar system. The alphabetic system was revolutionary.
@ your argument is very pseudo scientific … in addition, Religions around the world are, as you put it . “many things to disagree with…” and yet we have Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, etc. etc.. your comment is baseless
Well, some people are trying to manipulate the Greek history, the Greek literature, the myths and the Olympiad recently. In 2000 years they will explain too the people how the Greeks adopted the English alphabet! Well done! This is science !
Very well spoken. 👏 They also find Greek letters in ancient ruins and pottery all over the world but they still saying that the Greeks came from somewhere else and took everything from other people. Science....🙄
Well yeah there were neolithic settlements surrounding the Mediterranean, from which all these people are descended. They traded goods and stories. They all had shared myths which contributed to the development of those myths through the generations that followed.
Ancient Greek cultural traditions can be traced to Mycenaeans who in turn adopted cultural traits from Minoans, which borrowed aspects of ancient Egyptian culture. Older ties to African civilizations lack evidences of language use, art, and mythological similarities. Perhaps because those things are needed to make such connections. However, their absence in the archeological record does not mean that other older traditions weren't influential.
What a strange accent Robin has. I think it's called "Received Pronunciation" (RP)? There was a time when everyone who worked for the BBC spoke like this. Nowadays not many are left.
Με πρόλαβες Πέτρα με το "C" χαρακτηριστικό του βυζαντίου . Μάλλον είναι από το BBC Turk. Published from fake archaeologist, deliberately a Fake history and mythology of ancient Greece.
completely off. The Greeks did not take their language from the pheonisians. It took the "academic" community 50 years to finally accept that Linear B was a Greek language and I guess it will take another 50 years to accept that Linear A is an even older Greek language. I can't believe how many times serious scholars are by passed by the academic establishment and people with simplified stupid interpretations get funds for documentaries.
The Greek alphabet did indeed derive from the Phoenician alphabet. Yes, Linear B existed and was used to write Mycenaean Greek. But it stopped being used at some point and has nothing to do with the Greek alphabet other than that both were used to write Greek languages at various points in history. And nobody knows what language (or languages) Linear A represents. From the little that can be determined, it was unlikely to be a form of Greek or even an Indo European language of any sort. It is connected to the Minoan culture, which was an indigenous culture that predated the arrival of the Mycenaeans by thousands of years.
@@mikebmcl It seems strange, that, this people have invented the alphabet, but, there is no other alphabets in the region of the Middle East, BUT, there are so many alphabets in the region of Europe, that, differ from the Phoenician. How come?
@@ZatheosLogos1 The Phoenician script evolved from the Proto-Sinaitic script which was derived from Egyptian hieroglyphs. I used "alphabet" loosely in my earlier comment. Phoenician was technically an abjad, meaning it only had characters for consonant sounds. The Greek alphabet is the first known script to also have characters for vowel sounds and is thus the first true alphabet. Most of the European scripts developed from the Greek alphabet though there were a few, such as Paleo-Hispanic that came directly from Phoenician. This makes sense since the Phoenicians mostly lived in the southeastern Mediterranean but had some large colonies in what is now Spain along with a few scattered elsewhere in the Mediterranean. The Phoenician script also gave rise to the Aramaic script from which both the Hebrew and Arabic scripts descend. There were several others as well but they died out ultimately.
ΕΥΓΕ ! The man is not a Turk, but a proselyte muslim, and descends from the local indigenous races. We are grateful for his care of the inscription. If that inscription was discovered in mainland Greece, it would had been destroyed or sold for profit either by the one who would discover it or by the government.
What on earth are you talking about man? You live in a parallel Universe. The Turks sold to Europeans *everything* Greek that could be sold. They had ZERO respect for these Greek artifacts *up until* they discovered tourism. They even sold without ANY shame *a whole* ancient Greek building which is displayed *in all its entirety in Berlin;* Im referring to the Pergamon Altar; a whole 36 meters wide and a whole 33 metres deep. And need to mention the Athens Parthenon?? You're out of your mind suggesting these cr[...]p.
Change your medication.... The next time you imply that greeks don't respect their antiquities , first read the speech of Kolokotronis (1821 revolution warlord ) who said : we fought for these pieces of marble. Of course there were some poor ignorants who would sell like in any country , better never in an extent as for example what happened in Egypt. Furhtermore the turks even transformed marble statutes to calcium based white paste in order to paint their houses white....
@@odysseasntalias5950 I respond not in hope to shake your mental faculties, as they are irreparable, but to direct you into the realization that we do not belong to the same national identity. We are different, and therefore unable to communicate intelligibly. By the way. ''Odysseus'', the name is written, as a proof of the above. Change it because it harms you, believing of yourself of being a .....Greek!!!! You have my sympathies. !!!
@uchfed9499 You are the living example of Einstein's quote that everything in the universe has limits, except human stupidity. I return your "sympathy" and wish enlightenment for you and the others of your national identity -mentality... Don't bother to reply. We definitely live in parallel universes....
The Greeks were writing epics and astronomy texts for thousands of years but they were waiting for the so called "Phoenicians" to give them "their" letters...... Yeah......right....😧
@capoislamort100 LoL....Dude go read the Orphic cosmogony and hymns. One of the most ancient *scientific* texts about astrology, medicine and gemstones. Do you think a nation with all that knowledge was "late bloomers" ? 😂🤣
@capoislamort100 Wait till you learn about the Dispilio tablet that was carbon dated 1000 years before the sumerians. Sure, whatever you say. Late bloomers....
@@thekaxmax Ofcourse they did. A nation with a history of more than 10.000 is logical to have many different types of writing. They even had at least two alphabets at the same time in the classic period as we can see on pottery.
The moment scholars understand the real meaning of the Greek mythology and the real chronology they were made, and give it to the public, the human history will be fundamentally change.
@@thekaxmax I know some of the things it contains. And you need to spend your whole life to read and understand all the levels of hidden meanings in Greek mythology. And I would need to spend millions to publish all that, something I do not have. But you should start reading the ancient Greek philosophers and scholars to get what mythology and theatrical Tragedies are about. So, start reading.
Your theory about the Phoenicians passing down their alphabet to the Greeks is unsubstantiated and quite ludicrous, since it is pure speculation. I wonder why the British scholars are so adamant on insisting upon this? Why then dont they go and fake-purchase a Phoenician Parthenon and fake-borrow sacred scripts of Phoenicial Delphi?
The guy makes stories out of his own mind, stories that place the evolution of the whole Greek writing language upon a broken vase found, probably somewhere in Greece... Not even touching the surface of Greek mythology, one of the most complete mythologies in the world...
You are wrong The vowels were invented by Greeks Alphabet And the consonants are from ugarit Canaan They found a tablet The oldest melody of the world also there It was a hitite colony North of the lavent Alef is from egypt
No,it is not.Turkey was Hattiland and Until we Turks came, It captured by Assyrians, Greeks, Romans ,Persians ,Armenians,Arabs etc.At the end, Turks came and we made Anatolia a big power since 1000 years. It is the time you finally accept this truth.
It's amazing how independent UA-camrs can produce such excellent, balanced, informative documentaries, including useful maps and such, and this is all that the freaking BBC can come up with. Shameful how bad this is. Some interesting cinematography, at least.
Most of those amateur-produced docuseries are either plagiarizing, misleading, or outright false. I'd take a general 5min BBC video featuring respected scholars over a 50min hodgepodge-pseudoscience clickbait video any day of the week.
Gehenna, if you do your research, was an area outside the walls of ancient Jerusalem that was basically a garbage dump. Even Yeshua knew that. Back then, it wasn't unusual for these areas to have fires, either set or spontaneous. THIS is the origins of the hellfires in the Christian and Muslim traditions.
No. The Pythagoreans in Sicily hypothesized that the inner core of the Earth is burning. Sicily is full of underground hot springs that come up to the surface bubbling. This then became part of Neoplatonism and finally part of Christian doctrine in Alexandria.
Gehenna really was a location outside of Jerusalem where they dumped and burned the garbage. That doesn't negate what you just said as well. There can be more than one lineage contributing to a myth. @NorceCodine
According latest recerches, the opposite happened. Phoenicians travelled to Crete and other Greek islands for trade and copied the Greek alphabet, not the opposite. However many Greeks, from Greek islands went and lived near to Phoenicians
The Corycian Cave is located in central Greece on the southern slopes of Mount Parnassus, in Parnassus National Park, which is situated north of Delphi. The Corycian Cave has been a sacred space since the Neolithic era, .....HOW and WHY THERE IS A TURKISH MAN IN THE GREEK famous Corycian Cave?? Hittites ΝΟΤ Hellenopelagian, Greeks themselves came ΝΟΤ from Anatolia, they are lokal to the mediteranian aeria that before had no watter , and egypt , greece ,asia minor WAS a big land -state ! turks are mongols from the steps ! the people of Turkey, Armenia and Albania har greek dna .and not versa visa! Also Greek or better yet helenistic language has the habbit to evolve, like no other language can... Also Hellenic culter is the same for over 3000 years. dont read stupid english books to learn history, those people drive from the other side of the street??😂🤣😅
Haha when it is in your nation interest they tell the truth.. when it's not, its just stupid english book and they just drive on other side of the street 🤣🤣
Reading English - is partaking of the genial flexibility - of that same language. Not all that stupid either - except silly newspapers (boulevard press)
@veronicalogotheti1 Interestingly, the oldest known temple to the goddess Aphrodite is located in Syria and was called Alalat or Alilat. The second known place of worship is found in Cyprus. She is known as a Cypriot goddess.
Sorry, but I sincerely doubt that the inscription is as old as claimed. It is clearly carved these days. If it were original, would it be conceivable digging and leaning it this way?! This so called documentary is really opinabile.
The extraordinary truth is that, in a weird political fight for survival, modern Greek appropriated mythology that has only etymology in Albanian that corresponds with their actual myth. Modern Greek is a church invention and old Albanian is closer to Doric Greek than modern Greek. Greek mythology is written and has meaning in Albanian. The same names are still used today and carry the same meaning they did back then.
The Greeks adopted all their myths and stories from the Syrians and the people of Asia Minor, nothing new here. For example the Homeric myth of Demeter is the adoption of Inanna's Descent into the Netherworld, with Persephone taking on Dumuzi's role.
@@ΑλκιβίηWhen Sumerians were writing their legends, Greeks were not even in what we call Greece today. It is just shocking to see how ignorant are modern Greeks when looking comment section.
You see it everywhere, modern day Greeks & Albanians seem to be brainwashed with some kind of nationalistic ideology that history only began with the Alexandrine invasions. They forget & ignore continually the complex civilizations the Greeks invaded, pillaged & destroyed everywhere they went rewriting history in their own image, only to be rewritten by the Romans shortly after, with subsequent European royalty rewriting different biblical scripts to suit their own political purposes ever since.
Wrong the Greek was first , the Church was placed specifically at the entrance to a Mystery site. Save yourselves the nonsense and find the original texts see Ammon Hillmans and Carl Rucks works and leave the nonsense behind
The etymology of Aphrodite... She is represented by the early morning star, in Albanian(modern Pelasgian), "Afro" means "close/near", and "dite" means "day"...
The Erasmian pronunciation is not valid. The way the ancient greeks spoke is forever lost. Moreover due to the christian ''storm'' you will always find a church in front or on top of an ancient site. They had to project their religion and bury the native one with every chance they got.
A big lie in history is that the Greeks got their alphabet from the Phoenicians. In reality, the Greeks borrowed the consonants from the Phoenicians and added the vowels, and that's how the alphabet was created. Until then, languages were essentially inarticulate screams.
What is your favourite story from Greek mythology? Tell us below 👇
Eros and Psyche!
Metempsychosis in Plato's Republic - Odysseus, the smartest of the Greeks, chooses the life of an ordinary farmer who tends to his land and there's no adventure in his life. There's a lesson for all of us.
12:45 that is proto-greek where you can find it all over Europe
Ο μύθος του Ερυσιχθονα.
@@BBCTimestamp The moment Hercules decided to walk the hard road of ethical life.
"The profound life draws from the well of the past, what is most remote in time is more alive". Thank you for these great stories.
“Four thousand years of Greek history have produced four Greek heritages, each of which has had an effect on the life of the Greeks in later stages of their history.
The Hellenic Greeks received a heritage from the Mycenean Greeks, the Byzantine Greeks received one from the Hellenic Greeks, the Modern Greeks have received one heritage from the Byzantines and a second from the Hellenes.”
From the notable book of Arnold Toynbee, prominent English historian; “The Greeks and Their Heritages”, Oxford University Press.
5500 years of civilization. Yes "Greek" by language came by the Mycenean civilizarion nearly 4000 years ago, but Mycenean Greeks are of the exact same Genetic stock than the Minioans and Cycladic civilizations.
And Minoan civilization is 3650-1300BCE, or 5650 years ago, and Cycladic civilization is 3300-2000BCE. Which merged into the Minoan civilization by 2100-2000BCE. The Cycladic civilization had significant influence in the earlier 3000-2000BCE period on the Minoan civilization.
But the Minoan civilization had an utterly profound impact on the Mycenean civilization, which eventually conquered the Minoan civilization when it was weakened by around 1600BCE by a massive volcano eruption of Thera.
So. Greece has 5500 years of civilization till this day. 4000 years by language till this day, eveb though actual proto Greek traces back to an estimated 3-5 millennium BCE, 5000-7000 years ago. While Greek is the oldest continuous living language on earth by written evidences of 3500 years till this day. Chinese is 2nd with 3250 years till this day.
Well said buddy. 🙌
Absolutely true!@@Ptolemy336VV
I find it so annoying when people use Σ as an E. Σ is S. The Greek E is you guessed it, E.
and Δ as an A
Hahaha! Common, right?!?
As somebody who grew up running after my mom's pickup truck and jumping to catch the tailgate and climb in, I find that bit about the chariots at the end *very* amusing.
BBC, can we Americans see more of this host’s programs from which these excerpts were drawn? They are refreshingly intelligent and intriguing. Pretty please? Thank you.
You can watch the full series of Greek Myths: True Stories in the US on BBC Select: www.bbcselect.com/watch/greek-myths-true-stories
Marvellous program taking us into the origins of language and civilization! I teach History from various lands and epochs in Toronto Canada, and I approve of this work!
Thanks for watching, we're pleased you enjoyed it!
Concerning Aphrodites’ footprints on a beach in ancient times, it could be that there were fossilised footprints on one of Cyprus’ beaches that have eroded since then.
Myths persist because generally they contain grains of wisdom.
Because our forebears were as intelligent as we are. It isnt ancient wisdom ( which is, as is modern wisdom, based on the level of knowkedge at any given time ) but wisdom. And wise people are open to new knowledge changing what they always 'knew'. (See the idea of the 4 humours).
Our what some people think is wisdom
@@helenamcginty4920which makes most cultures unwise, at least in the main
A kernel of truth is what my father used to say.
"During the Greek Dark Ages, [the stories] were still told orally, and open to influence." While the mythology certainly evolved prior to writing, the amount of infighting in Greek literature compared to the more systematic style of oral storytelling means the stories may well have changed more during the literary period.
this video was really well done and super insightful! i always thought greek mythology was just a collection of interesting tales, but it seems there's a deeper significance. however, i wonder if the emphasis on these myths sometimes overshadows the rich historical context of ancient Greece itself. would love to hear what others think about balancing myth with history!
Can this person not just ask a normal open question in stead of trying to show how "educated" he is?
that was great, thanks!
Would have really appreciated some more information up front about where we are. Greece? Turkey? Somewhere else?
All the patterns of brocade (or maybe damask) mentioned in this video were mentioned in Slaven Perović: "Lazzaro Bastiani - Adoration of the Magi, a painting from the Mimara Museum; Bastiani pattern on the brocade", Zagreb, 2018.
What a generous and mostly purely associative approach to ancient mythology! Could this be due to a lack of knowledge of ancient Greek language and of scientific criteria for proper comparisons and theories of development within the history of religions? In any case, it can hardly be compensated for by the sheer pleasure of drawing broad conclusions and of hearing oneself talk in flowery terms. 🙂
very interesting and new information from these artifacts
Is this from a longer program that can be seen in the USA?
13:51 - That fact about ancient civilizations is wild! 🗿 I had no idea. Your research is amazing!
Wow ,Timestamp a couple of scratches on some pottery shards
and you’ve discovered the Holy Grail
Wish that his guests would have a possibility to say or answer anything 😂
Really interesting - thank you. I particularly liked the last section.
The Brits adopted Aphrodite and she became Britannia !
Looks more like Athena with the spear, shield and so on
Somewhat disjointed. Goes from Pan and Hermes to a Mammoth fossil, without translating the inscription.
He’s a Brit, what else can you expect?
@@capoislamort100 Chips - footie ?
Is this chopped up from a longer program?
@@franzschubertv2874 Mr FS - try to ask the original commentator.- i know a little of India - only. But these timestamp episodes - do seem to be if not chopped - cut oddly from a larger programme. Yes.
AND… From the mammoth fossil to the birth of the Greek alphabet…Whaaaa!??
Diese Geschichte aus astronomischer Sicht zu beleuchten, wäre sicher interessant: Viele Erzählungen aus der Mythologie haben einen wahren, katastrophischen Hintergrund - aus einer Zeit, zu der Himmelsphänomene noch ausschließlich mit Personen oder Tieren belegt wurden.
I got a little scared when the lady let her beautiful toddler try to swim around the "Rock of Aphrodite" to try to attain eternal beauty. Mom leads her in, then turns around and looks away???
7:11 the Phoenician alphabet’s parent are the Egyptian hieroglyphs! ❤
it is important not to forget that !
Will disagree- hieroglyphs are a system either sounds out words by syllables or entire meaning by glyphs as the name for it suggests unlike an alphabetic system which spells out words. Cuneiform used a similar system. The alphabetic system was revolutionary.
@ I’m sorry you disagree with Wikipedia
@@JunoDiovonaDemihof There are many things to disagree with Wikipedia....
@ your argument is very pseudo scientific … in addition, Religions around the world are, as you put it . “many things to disagree with…” and yet we have Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, etc. etc.. your comment is baseless
Well, some people are trying to manipulate the Greek history, the Greek literature, the myths and the Olympiad recently.
In 2000 years they will explain too the people how the Greeks adopted the English alphabet! Well done! This is science !
What you describe is /not/ science
Very well spoken. 👏
They also find Greek letters in ancient ruins and pottery all over the world but they still saying that the Greeks came from somewhere else and took everything from other people.
Science....🙄
Well yeah there were neolithic settlements surrounding the Mediterranean, from which all these people are descended. They traded goods and stories.
They all had shared myths which contributed to the development of those myths through the generations that followed.
Always good to see Gideon Soames 😄
'A' is considered a consonant?! What a theory!
Ancient Greek cultural traditions can be traced to Mycenaeans who in turn adopted cultural traits from Minoans, which borrowed aspects of ancient Egyptian culture. Older ties to African civilizations lack evidences of language use, art, and mythological similarities. Perhaps because those things are needed to make such connections. However, their absence in the archeological record does not mean that other older traditions weren't influential.
Did you point out any evidence of direct river erosion?
Every river everywhere
What would be life without myths?
9:00 light hearted discussion of human trafficking and forced prostitution in the ancient world
What a strange accent Robin has. I think it's called "Received Pronunciation" (RP)? There was a time when everyone who worked for the BBC spoke like this. Nowadays not many are left.
Is it me or is he mansplaining Jaqueline - the expert - her own area of expertise?
Fr!!! Would have loved to hear her narrate it
That inscription seems to be made in the Byzantine era, according to the epigraphy, or am I mistaken?
Με πρόλαβες Πέτρα με το "C" χαρακτηριστικό του βυζαντίου . Μάλλον είναι από το BBC Turk.
Published from fake archaeologist, deliberately a
Fake history and mythology of ancient Greece.
I also thought it looked Byzantine.
Exactly.
Hel is the Norse goddess of the underworld.
There is an awful lot of self-grandising ignorance among the comments that they really aren’t worth bothering with.
completely off. The Greeks did not take their language from the pheonisians. It took the "academic" community 50 years to finally accept that Linear B was a Greek language and I guess it will take another 50 years to accept that Linear A is an even older Greek language. I can't believe how many times serious scholars are by passed by the academic establishment and people with simplified stupid interpretations get funds for documentaries.
Not to mention the Dispilio tablet that dates 1000 years before the sumerians existed. There are many holes in their theory.
The Greek alphabet did indeed derive from the Phoenician alphabet.
Yes, Linear B existed and was used to write Mycenaean Greek. But it stopped being used at some point and has nothing to do with the Greek alphabet other than that both were used to write Greek languages at various points in history.
And nobody knows what language (or languages) Linear A represents. From the little that can be determined, it was unlikely to be a form of Greek or even an Indo European language of any sort. It is connected to the Minoan culture, which was an indigenous culture that predated the arrival of the Mycenaeans by thousands of years.
@@mikebmcl
It seems strange, that, this people have invented the alphabet, but, there is no other alphabets in the region of the Middle East, BUT, there are so many alphabets in the region of Europe, that, differ from the Phoenician. How come?
@@ZatheosLogos1 The Phoenician script evolved from the Proto-Sinaitic script which was derived from Egyptian hieroglyphs. I used "alphabet" loosely in my earlier comment. Phoenician was technically an abjad, meaning it only had characters for consonant sounds. The Greek alphabet is the first known script to also have characters for vowel sounds and is thus the first true alphabet. Most of the European scripts developed from the Greek alphabet though there were a few, such as Paleo-Hispanic that came directly from Phoenician. This makes sense since the Phoenicians mostly lived in the southeastern Mediterranean but had some large colonies in what is now Spain along with a few scattered elsewhere in the Mediterranean. The Phoenician script also gave rise to the Aramaic script from which both the Hebrew and Arabic scripts descend. There were several others as well but they died out ultimately.
Your certainty is disturbing.
You don't know what a mastodon is? Come on now
i wondered about that too, hehe
@@wout123100 Probably thought they were talking about his fwend - Don.
ΕΥΓΕ ! The man is not a Turk, but a proselyte muslim, and descends from the local indigenous races. We are grateful for his care of the inscription. If that inscription was discovered in mainland Greece, it would had been destroyed or sold for profit either by the one who would discover it or by the government.
What on earth are you talking about man? You live in a parallel Universe. The Turks sold to Europeans *everything* Greek that could be sold. They had ZERO respect for these Greek artifacts *up until* they discovered tourism. They even sold without ANY shame *a whole* ancient Greek building which is displayed *in all its entirety in Berlin;* Im referring to the Pergamon Altar; a whole 36 meters wide and a whole 33 metres deep. And need to mention the Athens Parthenon?? You're out of your mind suggesting these cr[...]p.
Change your medication.... The next time you imply that greeks don't respect their antiquities , first read the speech of Kolokotronis (1821 revolution warlord ) who said : we fought for these pieces of marble. Of course there were some poor ignorants who would sell like in any country , better never in an extent as for example what happened in Egypt. Furhtermore the turks even transformed marble statutes to calcium based white paste in order to paint their houses white....
@@odysseasntalias5950 I respond not in hope to shake your mental faculties, as they are irreparable, but to direct you into the realization that we do not belong to the same national identity. We are different, and therefore unable to communicate intelligibly. By the way. ''Odysseus'', the name is written, as a proof of the above. Change it because it harms you, believing of yourself of being a .....Greek!!!! You have my sympathies. !!!
@uchfed9499 You are the living example of Einstein's quote that everything in the universe has limits, except human stupidity. I return your "sympathy" and wish enlightenment for you and the others of your national identity -mentality... Don't bother to reply. We definitely live in parallel universes....
The Greeks were writing epics and astronomy texts for thousands of years but they were waiting for the so called "Phoenicians" to give them "their" letters......
Yeah......right....😧
Your Greeks are late bloomers in the game of civilization, they had nothing going for them until Homer came on the scene with the Iliad.
@capoislamort100 LoL....Dude go read the Orphic cosmogony and hymns.
One of the most ancient *scientific* texts about astrology, medicine and gemstones.
Do you think a nation with all that knowledge was "late bloomers" ?
😂🤣
@capoislamort100 Wait till you learn about the Dispilio tablet that was carbon dated 1000 years before the sumerians. Sure, whatever you say. Late bloomers....
They had multiple alphabets over time. Basic research would have discovered this
@@thekaxmax Ofcourse they did.
A nation with a history of more than 10.000 is logical to have many different types of writing.
They even had at least two alphabets at the same time in the classic period as we can see on pottery.
The moment scholars understand the real meaning of the Greek mythology and the real chronology they were made, and give it to the public, the human history will be fundamentally change.
100% correct
You can't say that unless you know what it contains, at which point you just release it yourself.
@@thekaxmax I know some of the things it contains.
And you need to spend your whole life to read and understand all the levels of hidden meanings in Greek mythology.
And I would need to spend millions to publish all that, something I do not have.
But you should start reading the ancient Greek philosophers and scholars to get what mythology and theatrical Tragedies are about.
So, start reading.
The depiction of horses and chariots is interesting. It implies the influence of the Yamnaya
Still trying to get over my aphrodiction
Sorry BBC. I love your documentaries and I love Timestamp. But every time I read your graphic I see "TIMESTOMP."
The "Roman Alphabet" ???
What Roman alphabet?
It's the alphabet ftom Chalkis dude.
Come on.
Roman alphabet is greek alphabet with a few changes. There wasn't different greek alphabets.
@ΣωτηριαΛαμπρου-ν2ν I know.
an example how the myths of behemoth could have come from.
Your theory about the Phoenicians passing down their alphabet to the Greeks is unsubstantiated and quite ludicrous, since it is pure speculation. I wonder why the British scholars are so adamant on insisting upon this? Why then dont they go and fake-purchase a Phoenician Parthenon and fake-borrow sacred scripts of Phoenicial Delphi?
BBC turned into just another woke agenda jurnalist slave.
well the in scription is not a secret now, it's a pity the steps taken to preserve it are undone now
Insteted of saying alpha they called it like egyptians
The south was an Egyptian colony
wonder if thats where the Christian myth of the snake in Eden came from in the first place
The garden of eden is old testament jewish...
@@christianbuczko1481Hebrew is Greek
And inverted re-telling of Greek traditions around the time of Ptolemy
@@googlesmostwantedfrog147 even IF that were true, it would STILL predate christ
Or the origin of the story taken over later into Hittite and Greek cosmogony?
The guy makes stories out of his own mind, stories that place the evolution of the whole Greek writing language upon a broken vase found, probably somewhere in Greece...
Not even touching the surface of Greek mythology, one of the most complete mythologies in the world...
You are wrong
The vowels were invented by Greeks
Alphabet
And the consonants are from ugarit Canaan
They found a tablet
The oldest melody of the world also there
It was a hitite colony
North of the lavent
Alef is from egypt
Turkey is Greece
No,it is not.Turkey was Hattiland and Until we Turks came, It captured by Assyrians, Greeks, Romans ,Persians ,Armenians,Arabs etc.At the end, Turks came and we made Anatolia a big power since 1000 years. It is the time you finally accept this truth.
So the Phoenicians did not use vowels when they spoke?! A not so good theory
This commentaries section savagely murders my hope in the necessity of the survival of humanity …
Very unclear title.
In Greek ancient texts Phoenicians are described as Greeks who had imigrated to those lands after they survived from cataclysm of Deukalionos 9.500bc.
I mark you @BBC Time stamp
5 for Effort
1 for Interpretation
Back to the drawing board
Cites on your sources or be ignored
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Ignore me,
my marks still stand
Nobody wrote this
Inventoons
The Romans wrote about them
What is this mess?
It's amazing how independent UA-camrs can produce such excellent, balanced, informative documentaries, including useful maps and such, and this is all that the freaking BBC can come up with. Shameful how bad this is.
Some interesting cinematography, at least.
and a ton of these youtubers produce fake facts
Most of those amateur-produced docuseries are either plagiarizing, misleading, or outright false. I'd take a general 5min BBC video featuring respected scholars over a 50min hodgepodge-pseudoscience clickbait video any day of the week.
@@wout123100If you believe that academics do not make up " fake facts" to suit thier worldview then you are a embarrassingly naive
Naive maybe but that’s better than being gullible.
Gehenna, if you do your research, was an area outside the walls of ancient Jerusalem that was basically a garbage dump. Even Yeshua knew that. Back then, it wasn't unusual for these areas to have fires, either set or spontaneous. THIS is the origins of the hellfires in the Christian and Muslim traditions.
No. The Pythagoreans in Sicily hypothesized that the inner core of the Earth is burning. Sicily is full of underground hot springs that come up to the surface bubbling. This then became part of Neoplatonism and finally part of Christian doctrine in Alexandria.
Gehenna really was a location outside of Jerusalem where they dumped and burned the garbage. That doesn't negate what you just said as well. There can be more than one lineage contributing to a myth. @NorceCodine
The concept of Hell go back before the Jewish texts. It dates to the earliest Indo-European beliefs
"if you do your research" Ah, right, because professional archeologists and anthropologists are notorious for not doing any research. *eyeroll*
I have heard the same story, which sounds plausible. However, there are other stories that deserve investigation, with a view of learning more. 👍🏻
Even if they found full skeleton of the giant human they will tell you it was a cow or ship... and of course everything is dinosaur bone.. 😜
According latest recerches, the opposite happened. Phoenicians travelled to Crete and other Greek islands for trade and copied the Greek alphabet, not the opposite. However many Greeks, from Greek islands went and lived near to Phoenicians
This is wrong. The Phoenician alphabet was the first phonetic alphabet. There are no "researches" showing otherwise.
Disturbing and disgusting
To you. Go watch something else.
@thekaxmax of course not! We need to be aware of all these distortions and falsifications
The Corycian Cave is located in central Greece on the southern slopes of Mount Parnassus, in Parnassus National Park, which is situated north of Delphi. The Corycian Cave has been a sacred space since the Neolithic era, .....HOW and WHY THERE IS A TURKISH MAN IN THE GREEK famous Corycian Cave?? Hittites ΝΟΤ Hellenopelagian, Greeks themselves came ΝΟΤ from Anatolia, they are lokal to the mediteranian aeria that before had no watter , and egypt , greece ,asia minor WAS a big land -state ! turks are mongols from the steps ! the people of Turkey, Armenia and Albania har greek dna .and not versa visa! Also Greek or better yet helenistic language has the habbit to evolve, like no other language can... Also Hellenic culter is the same for over 3000 years. dont read stupid english books to learn history, those people drive from the other side of the street??😂🤣😅
Haha when it is in your nation interest they tell the truth.. when it's not, its just stupid english book and they just drive on other side of the street 🤣🤣
Reading English - is partaking of the genial flexibility - of that same language.
Not all that stupid either - except silly newspapers (boulevard press)
That is not greek
Is phonecians
Afridite was from the pontio
@veronicalogotheti1 Interestingly, the oldest known temple to the goddess Aphrodite is located in Syria and was called Alalat or Alilat. The second known place of worship is found in Cyprus. She is known as a Cypriot goddess.
Sorry, but I sincerely doubt that the inscription is as old as claimed. It is clearly carved these days. If it were original, would it be conceivable digging and leaning it this way?! This so called documentary is really opinabile.
and the award for the most annoyingly posh accent gooooes tooooo
Worst of all English accents 🤕
So biased!
Is not for everybody
And before that in the pontio
This is abit "how you going?"..Aphrodites name is attested in Linear C tablets predating 12th century bce 🤦
👌
παντα ξεκινουν με αφαιρεση... τι κομλεχ
The extraordinary truth is that, in a weird political fight for survival, modern Greek appropriated mythology that has only etymology in Albanian that corresponds with their actual myth. Modern Greek is a church invention and old Albanian is closer to Doric Greek than modern Greek. Greek mythology is written and has meaning in Albanian. The same names are still used today and carry the same meaning they did back then.
Gahinnom is a hebrew word, it does not come from Arabic
Why I don't trust English bsh ..
Gramata it's in new modern Greek not old language..??
Enough with the Phoenician alphabet please, where are their statues or their poems or their written stories? Oeo?
The Greeks adopted all their myths and stories from the Syrians and the people of Asia Minor, nothing new here. For example the Homeric myth of Demeter is the adoption of Inanna's Descent into the Netherworld, with Persephone taking on Dumuzi's role.
You are so wrong! It's the opposite... They adopted the myths from the Greeks
@@ΑλκιβίηWhen Sumerians were writing their legends, Greeks were not even in what we call Greece today. It is just shocking to see how ignorant are modern Greeks when looking comment section.
@@Αλκιβίη
You are absolutely 100% correct 100%
What people of Asia Minor? You mean Greeks?
You see it everywhere, modern day Greeks & Albanians seem to be brainwashed with some kind of nationalistic ideology that history only began with the Alexandrine invasions. They forget & ignore continually the complex civilizations the Greeks invaded, pillaged & destroyed everywhere they went rewriting history in their own image, only to be rewritten by the Romans shortly after, with subsequent European royalty rewriting different biblical scripts to suit their own political purposes ever since.
Wrong the Greek was first , the Church was placed specifically at the entrance to a Mystery site. Save yourselves the nonsense and find the original texts see Ammon Hillmans and Carl Rucks works and leave the nonsense behind
All these uk
No education at all
Pretend to know
Go and read history
Dont try to understand mythology
The etymology of Aphrodite... She is represented by the early morning star, in Albanian(modern Pelasgian), "Afro" means "close/near", and "dite" means "day"...
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 it's a Greek word ..stfp
Yeah, like the "fustanella" hahahah
OK back to your ancient goat is waiting for you
Goat-in ta fus nga mbrapa une, kelysh kurve
Ta fus nga mbrapa goat-in, shko ha ndonje souvlaki, apo e do edhe ate nga mbrapa?
The Erasmian pronunciation is not valid. The way the ancient greeks spoke is forever lost. Moreover due to the christian ''storm'' you will always find a church in front or on top of an ancient site. They had to project their religion and bury the native one with every chance they got.
A big lie in history is that the Greeks got their alphabet from the Phoenicians. In reality, the Greeks borrowed the consonants from the Phoenicians and added the vowels, and that's how the alphabet was created. Until then, languages were essentially inarticulate screams.
These ancient lands do not belong to the central-asian turks