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I feel like folks (myself included) tend to forget how INCREDIBLE prime SFAT was. Pushing Hungrybox to the full distance in a best of 5 during this era, the PewFAT reign of terror in doubles, and just setting himself up as THE definition of gatekeeper. If you could beat prime SFAT, only then could you start to consider yourself one of the best in the world. I'd love to see him make a wicked top 8 run in the future.
Important to note that Hbox also would stand up to get a better view of the DI his opponent was using when he'd get a grab. This is also prob partially why he'd wear sunglasses too for a while
I'll never forget watching this set live. I think this set was actually really important in the grand scheme of Hungrybox's career trajectory. It was one of the first times where his back was against the wall but he just refused to lose. The attitude he used to win this set was something that he only grew stronger within the following two years, and that's a big reason why he became the best in the world. Great video as always, Walt. Keep up the good work my dude
At 9:44, that actually is an energy drink, Bawls Guarana Original Flavor. It's one of my favorites, produced by the Bawls company out in Akron; it's most well-known for being a drink of choice for LAN parties back in the mid-to-late 2000s, and for being featured in some godawful product placements in little-known isometric strategy game "Fallout Tactics". The bottle shape is kind of iconic, with all the bumps all over it and the not-quite-weezerish azure of the glass. The guarana fruit from which they get the caffeine is supposed to make it uptake slower and thus give less of a rush than something like coffee or redbull, in order to keep your hands steady. In my experience it works pretty well -- I can drink one or two and go through a night sleepless without any excess jitters or twitches. There are consequences, though. Other drinks have adapted the whole guarana thing too, but I'm fairly certain Bawls was the first. Also, SFAT is a choker. I'm sorry Zac but you know it's true. Hope this helps!
I can attest to this, it somehow had a pretty wide reach around that time in North America, as a teenager I have fond memories drinking it and buying to because the bottle and name were iconic. I say it had wide reach because I could find it in Newfoundland Canada (island off the east coast of the continent)
I can never help but root for Hungrybox. raw unadulterated passion and ambition drips from the dude. not many of us want anything as badly as Juan wanted/wants to be the best.
I think the error by SFAT was not standing up earlier. You wait to do something until last stock game 5, it doesn't really matter what you do, you're gonna get clutchboxed.
I've been playing various games standing up, the game feels very different at a different angle, and seeing the mini jump that SFAT did is very reminiscent of what I've done a couple of times in the past.
Love Zac, he is such a sick player, and to be that good for how long he's been doing it is so impressive. Glad that he was at UC Davis for my first year of college/first year of entering locals (after playing for a few years beforehand), he has this cool energy about him, and he welcomed me to the scene. One of my favorite moments from being part of the community came from him. Zac, his coach Bobby, and I, were in a carpool to Genesis 8, and at one point we were singing Runaway by Kanye West at the top of our lungs. Such a cool guy and player, love seeing him at norcal locals from time to time.
SFAT used to be the gatekeeper of the top level. There always seemed to be a gap in skill between him and the rest of the top 10 (even when he was in the 10), but SFAT was one of most consistently good fox players ever. If you couldn’t beat SFAT, you could never be at the top. He just dominated everyone outside the top 10.
I expected that this set would one day or another be a topic on your channel but more so leaning into the goofy breakdown format but i really enjoyed the more analytical timechamber you've created for this iconic moment of the game's history. Hopefully 2024 will be a very successful year for you and man you gotta get that Armada block at Tipped Off
some games especially the best competitive ones are not about play but out-play any game where when you make a mistake and the difference between win or die is the opponent then it doesn't matter that you made the mistake if it's not punished. so you don't have to play well you just have to play better than the opponent. so there is no play only out-play.
I think you should have mentioned the allegations that Hbox stands up in order to see the opponents' control stick and thus which way they're DI-ing his throws.
Outside of the psychology, I wouldn't be surprised if there was actual physical benefit to standing. It seems like it'd make our blood flow easier, preventing all the veins in our thighs from getting pinched by a chair. If your body doesn't have to work as hard to get that blood to your brain, then more focus could be available for that reaction time. Seems plausible, at least
Fly Amanita was the best Ice Climbers for a bit and he was notable for never ever Wobbling. Dude retired a while ago but when he was active he was hype as shit to watch
hey walt, loved the vids as always, but i just wanna say i almost completely missed this one because the thumbnail didn’t catch me. i don’t know if that sounds rude, but i can’t imagine how many people might have missed out on this one from a confusing thumbnail! again all love, i hope you’re having a great night/day
@@turndownforwalt I noticed that you have changed your thumbnail and title in this video. Are you trying to take advantage of the YT phenomenon where rebranding videos increases views? Because this isn't how it's done. The reason why rebranding can work is because newer viewers mistake them for new content and thus watch them in succession with your latest videos, which dramatically helps your channel if you have recently grown and want to direct your new audience towards more content. You have a different problem though. Your viewer retention almost always drops off after the first 30 seconds. A general audience doesn't have time to get engaged with you essay-style narration. You need to make your content much shorter, faster, punchier, and edgier. I'm sure Oddball is a decent writer but you should ask him to write with more edge and intrigue rather than exposition. You and your crew are working needlessly hard on videos that, no offense, don't get good views. Asumsaus is a one man show and yet his content does numbers compared to yours. You can easily match his audience with the right direction in mind. Sorry about the random jargon but I really want this channel to succeed. It has the potential to be really good for the scene. I have a plethora of experience with the algorithm and video design to maximize growth, we can talk on twitter if your interested. Take care
@@paolosworld99 Appreciate the comment a ton -- we were just running a quick test over the past few days to monitor data (since I'm making a few macro changes to my channels this year). I'm not entirely sure I understand all of the feedback here, so it'd be great if you could clarify some of the details. Can you message me on Twitter?
This just proves that with modern production technology, video editing software, and pulling stock video/pre-recorded material, you can make a shitty Wartortle about absolutely fucking nothing.
I've teamed up with veno and TrueCustoms to bring you an EXCLUSIVE merch drop for this doc! Check out the limited drop Stand Up designs and grab a sweatshirt for yourself, before the shop closes on January 16th! veno-shop.fourthwall.com/products/turndownforwalt-sfat-hbox-champion-sweatshirt
Also, thank you to Loupedeck for partnering with me and supporting the creation of this documentary! If you're interested in any of their products you can check them out here (not an affiliate link, but maybe they'll give me one soon): loupedeck.co/3Sb6Ynf
I will almost always pull for SFAT. Even though it's super unlikely at this point, seeing him win a major would be way too awesome
Wait you're the Pokémon PowerPoint person I love your stuff LOL
Finding out you were a smash fan changed my life, love your videos ewgf
@@turndownforwaltThank you! I’ve been a big fan of yours for years, your content got me into melee (I’ve been an ult player for 4 years)
Love to see this crossover
Can we see walt make a PowerPoint on melee
I feel like folks (myself included) tend to forget how INCREDIBLE prime SFAT was. Pushing Hungrybox to the full distance in a best of 5 during this era, the PewFAT reign of terror in doubles, and just setting himself up as THE definition of gatekeeper. If you could beat prime SFAT, only then could you start to consider yourself one of the best in the world.
I'd love to see him make a wicked top 8 run in the future.
THE VEGGIE MONSTER
Important to note that Hbox also would stand up to get a better view of the DI his opponent was using when he'd get a grab. This is also prob partially why he'd wear sunglasses too for a while
He was truly ahead of his time
the time to cheat you mean? @@turndownforwalt
is it even feasible to take your eyes off the screen and look all the way down to your opponents hands in the middle of the game tho
@@georget4141mid grab and one of the best melee players of all time, absolutely
iirc he’d specifically do that during downthrow which is a longer animation than the rest of puff’s throws
I remember when everyone in the melee community all started reading the inner game of tennis and watching ping pong the animation. Fun times.
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@@turndownforwaltabsolutely ready with the plug my goat
The hero appears..
We've all been that 0-2 player who thinks "I just need to work on my mental game"
ping pong goes hard though damn
Both Hbox and SFAT seem like real stand-up guys.
I forgot that he loses so I was so disappointed.
I love seeing mini-docs that continue to archive and highlight the rich history of Melee. Great work, as always.
Thank you so much! Got a lot more to bring to you guys this year!
I'll never forget watching this set live. I think this set was actually really important in the grand scheme of Hungrybox's career trajectory. It was one of the first times where his back was against the wall but he just refused to lose. The attitude he used to win this set was something that he only grew stronger within the following two years, and that's a big reason why he became the best in the world. Great video as always, Walt. Keep up the good work my dude
At 9:44, that actually is an energy drink, Bawls Guarana Original Flavor. It's one of my favorites, produced by the Bawls company out in Akron; it's most well-known for being a drink of choice for LAN parties back in the mid-to-late 2000s, and for being featured in some godawful product placements in little-known isometric strategy game "Fallout Tactics". The bottle shape is kind of iconic, with all the bumps all over it and the not-quite-weezerish azure of the glass. The guarana fruit from which they get the caffeine is supposed to make it uptake slower and thus give less of a rush than something like coffee or redbull, in order to keep your hands steady. In my experience it works pretty well -- I can drink one or two and go through a night sleepless without any excess jitters or twitches. There are consequences, though. Other drinks have adapted the whole guarana thing too, but I'm fairly certain Bawls was the first. Also, SFAT is a choker. I'm sorry Zac but you know it's true. Hope this helps!
Wow that's wild, I legit thought it was a Bud Light LOL
I can attest to this, it somehow had a pretty wide reach around that time in North America, as a teenager I have fond memories drinking it and buying to because the bottle and name were iconic.
I say it had wide reach because I could find it in Newfoundland Canada (island off the east coast of the continent)
Incredible comment
Love me some SFAT, he's always been the guy to beat if you want to make it into the top 10.
Love sfat actually goated at the game
This tournament was so hype, the Mang0 losers run and this SFAT/Hbox set were huuuuge highlights. It also makes me miss Fly, his IC’s was always sick
Walt, nice work on the doc... Fresh and unique; keep 'em coming 🔥🔥🔥
Thank you so much! Much more to come!
I can never help but root for Hungrybox. raw unadulterated passion and ambition drips from the dude. not many of us want anything as badly as Juan wanted/wants to be the best.
Popoffs you can feel
I think the error by SFAT was not standing up earlier. You wait to do something until last stock game 5, it doesn't really matter what you do, you're gonna get clutchboxed.
hbox only loses when he so chooses
thats a wonderful [as] reference, great bump
HBox was clearly energizing for his pop off in game 4 with those energy drinks
I've been playing various games standing up, the game feels very different at a different angle, and seeing the mini jump that SFAT did is very reminiscent of what I've done a couple of times in the past.
I still remember watching this match live. SFAT made it look like 20XX was upon us and not even peak HBox could stop it. It was terrifying.
Hopefully people will finally start to put respect on SFAT's name
Love Zac, he is such a sick player, and to be that good for how long he's been doing it is so impressive. Glad that he was at UC Davis for my first year of college/first year of entering locals (after playing for a few years beforehand), he has this cool energy about him, and he welcomed me to the scene. One of my favorite moments from being part of the community came from him. Zac, his coach Bobby, and I, were in a carpool to Genesis 8, and at one point we were singing Runaway by Kanye West at the top of our lungs. Such a cool guy and player, love seeing him at norcal locals from time to time.
This was well constructed, great job Walt. Looking forward to the content you produce this year.
Walt never fails to drop banger vids
Appreciate that a ton, thank you!
Wow that quote from Nadal is freaking deep
I really hope you never stop making content man, love watching you and these documentaries are EASILY my favorite of your stuff!
Really appreciate that, thank you so much!
I stopped taking Leffen seriously when he said Puff was the best character in the game lmao.
Yes yes we all saw the powerpoint, very convincing thourough powerpoint
@@Parpeing can you link me what you’re talking about? I wanna see this lol
SFAT is still one of my favorite players to watch, one of the cleanest Fox's around 💪
As an Ultimate player of likes HBox, I’m confident that that would change if I ever had to play against him in melee
I love Hbox but those popoffs are crazy
Lol for sure
Indeed
SFAT used to be the gatekeeper of the top level. There always seemed to be a gap in skill between him and the rest of the top 10 (even when he was in the 10), but SFAT was one of most consistently good fox players ever.
If you couldn’t beat SFAT, you could never be at the top. He just dominated everyone outside the top 10.
This is the best Melee content creator that doesn't take its own ideas from other content creators.
and thats why he's the goat
Speaking of doubles....a video chronicling the GOAT teams would be awesome (el chocolate diablo, pewfat, 4 leaf mango, etc)
some of the shots in this video are freaking gorgeous!!
Still gotta say at the runback back then being able to see Fly pop off that tourney was pretty great
sFat the working man’s goat
I expected that this set would one day or another be a topic on your channel but more so leaning into the goofy breakdown format but i really enjoyed the more analytical timechamber you've created for this iconic moment of the game's history.
Hopefully 2024 will be a very successful year for you and man you gotta get that Armada block at Tipped Off
Thank you so much! I’m definitely leaning more into this format this year, so stay tuned for more!
Oh and I’m getting that Armada block 😤
Sfat always one of my favorite players to watch, love him.
Didn't HBox injure his hand when he smacked the table after the win?
Lmaoooo
Hungrybox stands up to check oponnets DI to ensure more grab->rest combos.
Yes back then
Yeaaaaaaa this is the stuff from the community post I've been talking about. 10/10
some games especially the best competitive ones are not about play but out-play any game where when you make a mistake and the difference between win or die is the opponent then it doesn't matter that you made the mistake if it's not punished. so you don't have to play well you just have to play better than the opponent. so there is no play only out-play.
I think SFAT is my favorite solo main fox. Some day he will have a major breakthrough like cody.
Almost at 100k keep grinding
I think you should have mentioned the allegations that Hbox stands up in order to see the opponents' control stick and thus which way they're DI-ing his throws.
In the words of Dwight Schrute "Picture someone doing something heroic. Now was he sitting or standing?"
Hungrybox has always been a standup individual
Outside of the psychology, I wouldn't be surprised if there was actual physical benefit to standing. It seems like it'd make our blood flow easier, preventing all the veins in our thighs from getting pinched by a chair. If your body doesn't have to work as hard to get that blood to your brain, then more focus could be available for that reaction time.
Seems plausible, at least
Could also just be that when you're sitting your body tends to relax, which might slow your reflexes a tiny bit.
@@psymar Quite possible.
So would peak gaming be while running on a treadmill?
We all need to be like that guy I found at Big House who was playing double mat DDR and a violin at the same time
the clip of Hbox using rest in real life sends me. xDD
Dog made me smile
And here I thought this video was going to be about Cody’s “reverse pop off”
But damn, pleasantly surprised! Lmaooo
1:24 im not sure who that is against mango but damn if it doesnt look like a long haired fatality falcon LOL
Put some respect on one of the Ice Climber GOATs
Fly Amanita was the best Ice Climbers for a bit and he was notable for never ever Wobbling. Dude retired a while ago but when he was active he was hype as shit to watch
@@turndownforwalt respect putted
Didn't Hbox used to stand during games to watch his opponent's DI on their controller?
4:55 The photo for Hax 😭
Phenomenal as always man.
Awesome vid as always. Side note, I was blown away by that TAS Fox v Jiggs by TOMMYJKK at around 6:00... really creative TAS there.
lmao @ the adult swim type bumper
Did not expect to see Roger Federer in a melee video. Was not disappointed.
Never heard of loupedeck but you've got me interested, will definitely consider getting one
I'm hoping they give me an affiliate link LOL but I've honestly really enjoyed using it so far!
I will wait a bit and see if you end up getting one before buying @@turndownforwalt
13:51 this is just like one of my Japanese animes !
Really cool video Walt
2:43 you thought you could trick me
I’m mango!
Reminder that SFAT is the author of the greatest Melee-related tweet of all time.
Anyone else know exactly which set this video was going to be about just from seeing the two standing figures??
Oh man I legitimately forgot about the Standingbox era.
Rudolph, Rudolph, Rudolph! :D
did bro switch the name from the guy who literally stood up to hungrybox to an overlooked moment in melee history.... fair play walt.
Yes we're testing something
@@turndownforwalt yeye, I assume algorithm stuff. Just testing the waters in terms of what's eye catching in both thumbnail and or title
hey walt, loved the vids as always, but i just wanna say i almost completely missed this one because the thumbnail didn’t catch me. i don’t know if that sounds rude, but i can’t imagine how many people might have missed out on this one from a confusing thumbnail! again all love, i hope you’re having a great night/day
Not rude at all! I actually was testing a thumbnail change and may be switching it back today
Great video man, keep em coming(:
walt is doggo :D
Sfat kinda looks like jack harlow
Great vid walt
Thank you homie! We gotta make something together sometime!
Great movie Walt
Great video keep up the good work!!
Stand up for yourself.
literallt the most slept on top player
Watching PewFat was always such a treat
hbox standing up vs cody's timeouts, which is more OP?
I thought this was gonna be about Cody lol. Cuz he "stood up" to him in the reverse popoff
sick vids as always walt
Appreciate that! I'm just running a test right now, so I may throw it back to the original title/thumb later
Great video
Another banger video!
This tournament is seriously one of mangos best losers runs ever, just as an aside.
my goat
Is that walt?
Yes
Great thumbnail
Porky the goat
@@turndownforwalt I noticed that you have changed your thumbnail and title in this video.
Are you trying to take advantage of the YT phenomenon where rebranding videos increases views? Because this isn't how it's done. The reason why rebranding can work is because newer viewers mistake them for new content and thus watch them in succession with your latest videos, which dramatically helps your channel if you have recently grown and want to direct your new audience towards more content.
You have a different problem though.
Your viewer retention almost always drops off after the first 30 seconds. A general audience doesn't have time to get engaged with you essay-style narration. You need to make your content much shorter, faster, punchier, and edgier. I'm sure Oddball is a decent writer but you should ask him to write with more edge and intrigue rather than exposition. You and your crew are working needlessly hard on videos that, no offense, don't get good views.
Asumsaus is a one man show and yet his content does numbers compared to yours. You can easily match his audience with the right direction in mind.
Sorry about the random jargon but I really want this channel to succeed. It has the potential to be really good for the scene.
I have a plethora of experience with the algorithm and video design to maximize growth, we can talk on twitter if your interested.
Take care
@@paolosworld99 Appreciate the comment a ton -- we were just running a quick test over the past few days to monitor data (since I'm making a few macro changes to my channels this year). I'm not entirely sure I understand all of the feedback here, so it'd be great if you could clarify some of the details. Can you message me on Twitter?
@@turndownforwalt Sorry for the late reply, I'll DM you sometime in the next few days
clutchBox is the final boss
A little ElliotIsACoolGuy poster inspo eh? very nice Walt
Oh yeah Elliot is a legend
Feels like melee is dead right now. Need to get the community engaged
Honestly I liked the previous title more.
Responded to a few of these already but I’m just testing something
Good job walter video movie 😚
So where did the old thumb nail go? The new one lacks the energy of the original. Sad to see it go.
I replied to a few of these but I was testing something - I may change it back today
pog dude
>Watch video about smash history
>Focuses on Fox player
>Click off video.
I really think this talks about both players pretty evenly LOL
Yuh
This just proves that with modern production technology, video editing software, and pulling stock video/pre-recorded material, you can make a shitty Wartortle about absolutely fucking nothing.
Thanks for calling it a documentary!
Is a myth that hbox stands up to look at the di on throws?
No he would do that
Is it wizzy?
Thought this would be about the raciest mii gunner combo video
like, resubscibe if i could, watch the video in .25x so you get 4x retention rate - love your work and GOOD LUCK IN 2024!!!