Nick's Guide to Integral Knives: What are they, why do we care, and what are my favorites?
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- Опубліковано 19 лис 2024
- Today, we're going to talk Production Integral Knives, discussing the nature, the pros, the cons, and some of the options currently available outside of the custom market.
Integral knives can be cheap just look at the opinel making integrals for under $100
opinel making integrals for under $15
I was going to make a similar gag. Integral is made of wood and cost me ten euros...😀😀😀
Whoa June 2017?? Are you backlogged almost a year?
I think the benchmade axis lock lends itself very well to an integral. It simplifies the construction greatly and the spring on the anthem is miles better than that omega spring on the 940. I'd like to see a ti lock integral :)
Today I learned what's an integral, so is like a taco instead of a sandwich
Your metaphor is most accurate good sir.
Gdi... I love how I had a question about what an integral is, and I clicked on this, and my question is answered within moments. Now that I've got a basic understanding, I can understand the rest of the pieces. So many youtube channels make you wait for the answer for "retention" but it just means after I've watched the video, I need to watch it again! Lol I appreciate the straight forward answers/explanation to start the video boss!
I prefer derivative knives. Amirite?
Sumtimes
Almost a full year! Haha... I have been trying to buy a Benchmade anthem forever. I ordered one online, got it, had vertical blade play, sent it back to exchange. They checked every one they had in stock and said that the one I returned was the best one. I went to a local knife show and looked at 4 New Examples, every single one had blade play. I ended up getting a store credit and used it to buy a sebenza, which is great, but I wanted an anthem. Its pretty pathetic that at $425 out of quite a few examples that I couldn't find even 1 that had solid lockup, let alone even grinds, centering, etc. At $425 every one that leaves your factory needs to be perfect. Not 1 out of 10 or 15. If anyone does have a perfect example and wants a sebenza let me know! Haha... Although at this point I'm very very close to giving up on Benchmade completely because of their lack of QC and because myself and a few friends have sent them knives for warranty repair and gotten them back in the same condition they were sent.
Not just Benchmade. All of these companies want max profits and a lot of knife buyers accept things wrong with expensive knives so nothing will change.
You could go on r/knifeswap on Reddit and see if anyone wants to trade you probably would have better luck
I guess i got lucky with my anthem then, Minimal blade play with perfect centering and grinds etc. Otherwise i have had trouble with other benchmade products however.
EDC with Aaron I shoulda read this first. My anthems on the way. It said it was coming from benchmade. I don’t own a knife that has blade play and I don’t want the most expensive knife I’ve bought to have blade play. Maybe I should have gone with CRK but I’ve got enough s35vn.
My idea for this sort of knife would be to mill out everything from a titanium block as normally would be done. Then construct the liners inside as a one piece deal Bach included. Add the Sunbold liner lock mechanism into the Mehldau titanium and add T 10 screws from both sides of the scales. Then add the knife blade and pivot. I believe that assembling the inner frame and lock mechanism prior to setting it inside as a one piece deal would make a stronger liner lock and be cheaper to assemble. Passing the savings on to the consumer while still maintaining a unique knife. I have never held one of these knives myself but perhaps that’s the way they’re made anyways. I would love to get my hands on one soon. Just to explore how the mechanism works.
I do love my anthem, I forgot how bronze they were out of the box though haha.
Does an integral mean the knife is better? Not really but it is a cool effect and they feel so nice.
Been on the lookout for a Paysan production version.
Am I the only one who would love an integral Sebenza? I think with the pivot bushing and their machine tolerances, it would be fantastic. Although I know Tim and the crew are a small operation and that may not be feasible. Would still be cool as hell though.
I prefer "flow through construction" because I can clean out sand, lint etc, and disassemble it if the dirt is really in there.
One thing I'd like to see is a liner lock with an "integral scale". Basically, make a liner lock with two titanium liners + standoffs, then mill out a single piece of micarta or G-10, shaped like a taco, that will fit around the entire thing. The "scale" can be held in place with just the pivot screw, so you'd have a clean look on the outside with almost no hardware, but it'd be not much harder to build than a regular liner lock.
Even the clip can be blind screwed from the inside with some fancy hardware.
I want to see an carbon fiber integral knife
Lion Steel TM1 CS
I sold my 2 production integrals. On your "list". One was too big, the other had issues where being an integral was actually keeping that issue from being easily fixed. Glad your time machine is still working. I think I need to switch input tubes to something Russian.
One of my favorite folder types. Great job Nick! As an introduction to integrals it is excellent!
I don’t own any of those, but I DO own a WE TiSpine (actually 3 in different finishes) and I just purchased a WE Drakon 819c. I just LOVE the integral designs!
I know you are not huge on the hardware, but the WE 702 for $295 is hard to argue with.
Edward Agora Feenman you’re definitely right, it’s a steal. But if you wait a couple weeks/months We just showed a bunch of integral prototypes that not only are the same price as the 702, but will have much better screws.
God damn China man bringing the USA down. I own a WE and a Rike knife and some spydercos from Taiwan, but I mostly own American made (benchmade, microtech). Also got a spyderco and cold steel from Italy. Companies like WE, Rike, and Reate make beautiful high quality knives so I understand why you’re drawn in. I am too!
So it's milled vs. stamped. As if I haven't heard enough of that on gun forums...
NightlifeSux right lol! I learned to buy stamped in the AK world. Yes, you could argue that point, but bigger argument is AK vs AR!😄
Lol
Hey Nick! Any plans on doing reviews of OTF knives? I really would like to hear your opinion about ultratech.
Kane Cassidy he's done a couple of OTF reviews. Apparently they don't appeal to him so it's unlikely we'll see more reviews of them.
He has done only one actual otf review which is Benchmade Phaeton. The other was some cheap zombie knife quality piece of crap.
He’s mentioned on livestreams before that microtech is on the proprietary hardware shitlist. If they used standard screws he would be more inclined to look at them
ThisGuyDoesStuff I believe he has totally disowned microtech for their warranty, attitude towards customers, and how they handled the Kershaw fued
I know you don’t like them, but have you thought of reviewing a victorinox knife? The cadet is pretty good even if you just treat it as an edc knife. Plus they’re kind of an edc staple.
MrKumbancha yeah that would work too. I mainly said the cadet because it’s so well known and I wanted to get his take on it.
I've been buying a lot of Victorinox lately (Alox, colors).. Just great knives.. I'm sick of having problems with expensive, higher end production knives.. Every Victorinox is useful, high quality, low price and many look great...
Thomas Landers exactly, they are so great to collect. Plus, the blades are super slicey and alox is such an attractive material.
Riley Bracelin what's Alox? Like stainless with aluminium in it?
Nah. That doesn't make sense... 🤔
I love the sound that Benchmade makes when it's closing!
Chris Reeve taught Scott Cook how to build knives, Scott Cook invented Integral (Lochsa) the Finest Integral made. You can walk the whole Blade show and not see one for any price, but once you hold one you understand. Scott makes one or two a month, if you find one buy it.
Love the WE 909c. What a craftmanship.
Have you seen the Midnight Cat design Amber II ? they have a beautiful pivot system to relieve inward pressure on the milled frame. Ever reviewed one? Ta Nick!!
Would love a full Rike review
Pretty sure CRK invented the frame lock, that’s about as early an implementation as you can get! He’s certainly credited with it, idk if that’s debatable, but I’ve heard it many times from reliable sources.
Are you going to pick up the CKF and Snex collaboration knife on it's release? I'd love to see it disassembled.
What, the spinner? ;) j/k
Integrals require some fancy, intricate CNC machining, and between that and the simplicity so achieved, I like integrals best of all!
You just can't beat a piece of billet metal. The only down side for me is they can't Swiss cheese the inside, instead they contour the handle to scrub weight. I like the simplicity of integrals
Nick, can you please tell me if you see any potential "structural" concerns with integrals? Is there anything you can think of that may potentially givea standard frame locking folder an advantage for long term use?
I'm about to buy an expensive integral, looking for any potential concerns. Thank you 👍
Hear of any updates on the Spyderco Paysan?
wouldn't the Opinel be one of the first integrals?
you need to wrap that in a tortilla and at lots of hotsauce to make it palatable😖
My integral is an Esee laserstrike
I LOVE that anthem
Bearings on a hard use design? I so much love the lion steel ones but they are still slippery!!
Good video Nick 👏👏👏👍😆
There is an old traditional integral knife for around 10 bucks. Very slicy and easy to resharpen, different steels and different sizes.
Every knife expert can proof its efficiency and will recommend it. You say 'no way!' I say 'Opinel' xD
cidi349 there's also a full stainless steel integral knife for $8 on Amazon! ... The Gerber EABLíté!
Nice overview. All nice knives you showed. For me the Nirvana is far and away the best looking. Shame about that blade. The Benchmade looks good as well. Shame about the clip.
I was wondering why no mention of the Nirvana being discontinued and the Paysan being announced, then you casually mention that you’ve been sitting on this for nearly a year. Since you recorded this, are there any new integrals that you’d say edge out the Anthem?
love my integrals. Lionsteel TM1 in carbon fiber and the microtech custom anax Carbon fiber integral. the microtech i like less cause i hate microtech and tony himself has sued many people already sadly including a blogger... but the quality is very high, its also fun to flick. blade grind is ridiculous but i didnt really have a choice of blade when i received it.
The TM1 is awesome in quite a few respects. its integral carbon fiber also a backlock and its also on bearings. flipping amazing knife. also tall thin grind. great slicer. very great at cutting cardboard.
Doing the 'Time Warp' again?
Nice video thanks 👍👍👍
Not sure about the "closest to a fixed blade" statement. Yes, maybe if you run it over with a car. But in the sense of, you know, not folding during use--surely the lock is more important.
The most obvious potential problem with integral knives is that neither the body nor any feature that has been made part of the body can be replaced in case of failure without replacing the entire body. Clips, lock bars, stop bars, scales etc. are usually separate items for good reason. The same is even more true of fixed blades made in one piece: it's all or nothing.
My only integral is an Opinel
This is June 2017? My damn time machine must be malfunctioning.Seriously though nice informative vid :)
Wilson Combat?...interesting,tell us more !?
If I ever got one it would be a lion steel.
Next step up: every component of the knife milled out of the same block of material. Carved out, then screwed back together.
Almost a year later that Nirvavna is back and in the permanent collection , ironic .
Vdk impaler also nick.
Are hot dogs just integral sandwiches?
Integral "Folding" knife
I just got a pm2 and this makes me feel like a peasant.
Hey, Nick
Why is there no wig shop for men called “Hell Toupee”?
WE Synergy 2
“One solid chunk”
Can't you just get a machine to do it all for the handle in one process
I like the nato on your planet ocean
No doubt this guy is a jesus fearing man from Texas
There's a mechanical vs. quartz watch analogy in here somewhere.
Mmmmmm...blade sandwich
I found this video to be a little derivative.
He’ll yes, a calc pun
Damn clickbait, came here trying to learn about Leibniz's work and all I find is trashtalk about knives...
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